Re: [osdcmy] Program Karnival ICT Peringkat Negeri Pahang
Harisfazillah Jamel : owh.. that's mean i'm lead your direction or something else.. erm.. insyaallah.. i will there! Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari : tidak.. org kedah dok PAHANG tp Triang.. sbb ingt nk buat cuti smggu blk sna. last sblum abis cuti blh g Jerantut.. kn3 (^_^)v 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com I need a person to lead. Can you? alang-alang balik kampung... :) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Sy pun standaby masuk dlm list.. p/s: yahoo.. blh blk kmpg skali daa... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?
Rilek. Orang baru ke orang lama semua diambil peduli... On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: owh.. mcmtu ceritanya.. ha3.. sorry.. xtau sbb org baru.. cuma xfhm sbb trasa mcm tidak dipedulikn la plak.. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Invitation from HSKL to use the space
I love this :) Sent from my iPhone On 2 Mar 2011, at 14:00, Meling Mudin meli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, First of all, an introduction. HackerspaceKL is a community-oriented hackerspace where people make creative things with technology. It will be a place for hackers, coders, geeks, makers, nerds, artists, students, and everyone from all walks of life to hang out and meet each other, work on projects and meet people with similar interest, conduct lectures, workshops, and tutorials, and share knowledge and resources such as electronic equipments, computer devices, and other gadgets. We are similar to other hackerspaces such as Metalabhttp://metalab.at/ (Vienna, Austria), /tmp/lab http://www.tmplab.org/ (Paris, France), HacDChttp://www.hacdc.org/(Washington DC, USA), Randomdata http://www.randomdata.nl/(Utrecth, The Netherlands), Pumping Station: One http://www.pumpingstationone.org/ (Chicago, IL, USA), and Toghttp://www.tog.ie/ (Dublin, Ireland). Regionally, we are dissimilar to HackerspaceSGhttp://hackerspace.sg/ (Singapore) due to our orientation towards DIY culture and tinkering, while theirs is more towards social gatherings and co-working. We also fullfil our social and community role by conducting workshops, trainings and classes on electronics, Open Source, computer security, and any other subject. We have been around for exactly 1 year and 2 months, and our small little community is actively growing. On behalf of HSKL, I would like to invite the leaders of the Open Source community to utilize the space for meetups, workshops, and events. There are no requirements to host events by non-members at our space - you just need to observe our house rules (http://wiki.hackerspace.my/wiki/HouseRules), get one of our members to help out in organizing your event ( http://wiki.hackerspace.my/wiki/EventHowTo), and provide donations for the upkeep of the space. And of course, anyone is welcome to be a member as well. For a typical workshop-style events, we have tables, chairs, projector and whiteboard. Our room (the only one with airconditioning) can accomodate at most 30 people for a presentation-only event. For workshops, we can accommodate at most 20-25 people. As a suggestion, I would like the open source community to start running a monthly event similar to our Security Meetup (which happens every first Tuesday of the month). The format is simple: one presenter to talk on topic of interest, followed by discussion. Topics can be anything related to Open Source (in a similar vein, for Security Meetup, the topics are anything related to security - Kakeman talked about physical security/alarm systems at the last meetup). If you are interested, please do not hesitate to contact me, the committee ( commit...@hackerspace.my) or m...@hackerspace.my. Cheers, --mel http://www.hackerspace.my -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Invitation from HSKL to use the space
Team, lets we use hackerspace as our meet up place. Thanks. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar bizkut...@gmail.com wrote: I love this :) Sent from my iPhone On 2 Mar 2011, at 14:00, Meling Mudin meli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, First of all, an introduction. HackerspaceKL is a community-oriented hackerspace where people make creative things with technology. It will be a place for hackers, coders, geeks, makers, nerds, artists, students, and everyone from all walks of life to hang out and meet each other, work on projects and meet people with similar interest, conduct lectures, workshops, and tutorials, and share knowledge and resources such as electronic equipments, computer devices, and other gadgets. We are similar to other hackerspaces such as Metalab (Vienna, Austria), /tmp/lab (Paris, France), HacDC(Washington DC, USA), Randomdata(Utrecth, The Netherlands), Pumping Station: One (Chicago, IL, USA), and Tog (Dublin, Ireland). Regionally, we are dissimilar to HackerspaceSG (Singapore) due to our orientation towards DIY culture and tinkering, while theirs is more towards social gatherings and co-working. We also fullfil our social and community role by conducting workshops, trainings and classes on electronics, Open Source, computer security, and any other subject. We have been around for exactly 1 year and 2 months, and our small little community is actively growing. On behalf of HSKL, I would like to invite the leaders of the Open Source community to utilize the space for meetups, workshops, and events. There are no requirements to host events by non-members at our space - you just need to observe our house rules (http://wiki.hackerspace.my/wiki/HouseRules), get one of our members to help out in organizing your event (http://wiki.hackerspace.my/wiki/EventHowTo), and provide donations for the upkeep of the space. And of course, anyone is welcome to be a member as well. For a typical workshop-style events, we have tables, chairs, projector and whiteboard. Our room (the only one with airconditioning) can accomodate at most 30 people for a presentation-only event. For workshops, we can accommodate at most 20-25 people. As a suggestion, I would like the open source community to start running a monthly event similar to our Security Meetup (which happens every first Tuesday of the month). The format is simple: one presenter to talk on topic of interest, followed by discussion. Topics can be anything related to Open Source (in a similar vein, for Security Meetup, the topics are anything related to security - Kakeman talked about physical security/alarm systems at the last meetup). If you are interested, please do not hesitate to contact me, the committee (commit...@hackerspace.my) or m...@hackerspace.my. Cheers, --mel http://www.hackerspace.my -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
[osdcmy] Re: Call For Distros Workshop
Will be there also On Feb 28, 3:05 pm, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera, I call for Distros workshop again and meet all of you, guys and gals and all parties and distros can present each other projects and work together to get all the projects success. No one win, and no one will gain. We really need each others. My target date is 26 March 2011. Fazli and I will arrange this. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Program Karnival ICT Peringkat Negeri Pahang
Wh Jerantut? Tempat tinggal saya dulu.. have memory kat sana.. :D Kirim salam dekat orang-orang jerantut ya nanti.. insyAllah, jika ada peluang saya turut hadir. :D On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Harisfazillah Jamel : owh.. that's mean i'm lead your direction or something else.. erm.. insyaallah.. i will there! Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari : tidak.. org kedah dok PAHANG tp Triang.. sbb ingt nk buat cuti smggu blk sna. last sblum abis cuti blh g Jerantut.. kn3 (^_^)v 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com I need a person to lead. Can you? alang-alang balik kampung... :) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Sy pun standaby masuk dlm list.. p/s: yahoo.. blh blk kmpg skali daa... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhamad Hisyam Bin Nasir (LowKey) http://blog.lowkey.net.my/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/lowkey Key Fingerprint: C5F1 31DD 70E7 2293 4BAE 465C BE47 F7FB D760 EC84 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
[osdcmy] Looking for Oracle Support....
Salam Saya mencari mana2 syarikat atau orang perseorangan yang arif tentang database tuning bg Oracle Database yang bersaiz 10 ke 15Gb .. Sekiranya berminat sila email harf...@gmail.com dengan kadar segera kerana kerja sudah menanti. Sekian untuk makluman semua Regards e1 Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
[osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
Assalamualaikum.. saya nak minta tolong sape2 yang tengah free tolong buatkan sistem student registration ( simpe je patutnya..kan ? gune php and mysql ) untuk budak2 madrasah annur.. hosting and domainnya sudah ada. laman web sementara dipointkan pada blogspot.. pengetua madrasah request nak sistem student registration tu.. kalau ada sape2 yang tengah free and sanggup buat keja FREE.. sila inform saya ye.. maybe orang yang pertama send request jadi volunteer akan diberi harapan ini.. :D sebab ramai2 takut tak menjadi plak.. any idea boleh inform sini.. thanks. blog madrasah.. http://madrasahannur.blogspot.com domainnya www.madrasahannur.com sekian, terima kasih :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Looking for Oracle Support....
Please contact ECS http://www.ecsm.com.my/businessContact.php?b_id=2 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Mar 2011, at 20:52, Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com wrote: Salam Saya mencari mana2 syarikat atau orang perseorangan yang arif tentang database tuning bg Oracle Database yang bersaiz 10 ke 15Gb .. Sekiranya berminat sila email harf...@gmail.com dengan kadar segera kerana kerja sudah menanti. Sekian untuk makluman semua Regards e1 Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Looking for Oracle Support....
Any freelancer that he can link too? 2011/3/2 Hasanuddin Abu Bakar bizkut...@gmail.com: Please contact ECS http://www.ecsm.com.my/businessContact.php?b_id=2 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
[osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal
Aziman, How your proposal? Any positive feedback from them... On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:32 AM, aziman noor azi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Eric. We tried 10 PC on mockup-lab with LTSP 4.0, in 60 seconds all 10 PC's boot to OpenSuSE GUI with no error. But 1 PC replaced with NIC card instead of built-in, because not stable. Then form the workstation, the PC can access cloud-os via http, like open spreadsheet and word processor, plus LMS. Need to focus more on SaaS on cloud. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
Saya cadangkan Civicrm... http://civicrm.org/ Menarik untuk dicuba dan ada intergation Drupal dan Joomla. Blog post ini menarik http://civicrm.org/blogs/michael-mcandrew/what-can-you-do-civicrm-60-minutes dan membership registration http://civicrm.org/civimember Satu lagi yang boleh dicuba adalah http://open-school.org/ Wassalam. 2011/3/2 Hanif Nordan hanifnor...@gmail.com: Assalamualaikum.. saya nak minta tolong sape2 yang tengah free tolong buatkan sistem student registration ( simpe je patutnya..kan ? gune php and mysql ) untuk budak2 madrasah annur.. hosting and domainnya sudah ada. laman web sementara dipointkan pada blogspot.. pengetua madrasah request nak sistem student registration tu.. kalau ada sape2 yang tengah free and sanggup buat keja FREE.. sila inform saya ye.. maybe orang yang pertama send request jadi volunteer akan diberi harapan ini.. :D sebab ramai2 takut tak menjadi plak.. any idea boleh inform sini.. thanks. blog madrasah.. http://madrasahannur.blogspot.com domainnya www.madrasahannur.com sekian, terima kasih :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
*angkat tangan* tapi jangan expect kerja saya hebat lebih2 sangat ;) Sent from my BlackBerry® Curve device via Mobistar be. 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Saya cadangkan Civicrm... http://civicrm.org/ Menarik untuk dicuba dan ada intergation Drupal dan Joomla. Blog post ini menarik http://civicrm.org/blogs/michael-mcandrew/what-can-you-do-civicrm-60-minutes dan membership registration http://civicrm.org/civimember Satu lagi yang boleh dicuba adalah http://open-school.org/ Wassalam. 2011/3/2 Hanif Nordan hanifnor...@gmail.com: Assalamualaikum.. saya nak minta tolong sape2 yang tengah free tolong buatkan sistem student registration ( simpe je patutnya..kan ? gune php and mysql ) untuk budak2 madrasah annur.. hosting and domainnya sudah ada. laman web sementara dipointkan pada blogspot.. pengetua madrasah request nak sistem student registration tu.. kalau ada sape2 yang tengah free and sanggup buat keja FREE.. sila inform saya ye.. maybe orang yang pertama send request jadi volunteer akan diberi harapan ini.. :D sebab ramai2 takut tak menjadi plak.. any idea boleh inform sini.. thanks. blog madrasah.. http://madrasahannur.blogspot.com domainnya www.madrasahannur.com sekian, terima kasih :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
RE: [osdcmy] Looking for Oracle Support....
Tak pun encoral, nc.com.my... Oracle Gold partner.. Projek oracle goverment hampir semua dia tapau -Original Message- From: Hasanuddin Abu Bakar Sent: 02/03/2011 21:44:18 Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Looking for Oracle Support Please contact ECS http://www.ecsm.com.my/businessContact.php?b_id=2 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Mar 2011, at 20:52, Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim hidz...@gmail.com wrote: Salam Saya mencari mana2 syarikat atau orang perseorangan yang arif tentang database tuning bg Oracle Database yang bersaiz 10 ke 15Gb .. Sekiranya berminat sila email harf...@gmail.com dengan kadar segera kerana kerja sudah menanti. Sekian untuk makluman semua Regards e1 Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
menarik juga openschool tuh. Open Source Project! Kewl! محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 2011/3/2 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com *angkat tangan* tapi jangan expect kerja saya hebat lebih2 sangat ;) Sent from my BlackBerry® Curve device via Mobistar be. 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Saya cadangkan Civicrm... http://civicrm.org/ Menarik untuk dicuba dan ada intergation Drupal dan Joomla. Blog post ini menarik http://civicrm.org/blogs/michael-mcandrew/what-can-you-do-civicrm-60-minutes dan membership registration http://civicrm.org/civimember Satu lagi yang boleh dicuba adalah http://open-school.org/ Wassalam. 2011/3/2 Hanif Nordan hanifnor...@gmail.com: Assalamualaikum.. saya nak minta tolong sape2 yang tengah free tolong buatkan sistem student registration ( simpe je patutnya..kan ? gune php and mysql ) untuk budak2 madrasah annur.. hosting and domainnya sudah ada. laman web sementara dipointkan pada blogspot.. pengetua madrasah request nak sistem student registration tu.. kalau ada sape2 yang tengah free and sanggup buat keja FREE.. sila inform saya ye.. maybe orang yang pertama send request jadi volunteer akan diberi harapan ini.. :D sebab ramai2 takut tak menjadi plak.. any idea boleh inform sini.. thanks. blog madrasah.. http://madrasahannur.blogspot.com domainnya www.madrasahannur.com sekian, terima kasih :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Program Karnival ICT Peringkat Negeri Pahang
Rasa macam nak join je.. dulu teringat wakil sekolah time lawan teknologi roket kat sekolah area jerantut.. Haha.. Kenangan. Insya allah, put me on the list. محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Muhamad Hisyam Bin Nasir hisyamna...@gmail.com wrote: Wh Jerantut? Tempat tinggal saya dulu.. have memory kat sana.. :D Kirim salam dekat orang-orang jerantut ya nanti.. insyAllah, jika ada peluang saya turut hadir. :D On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Harisfazillah Jamel : owh.. that's mean i'm lead your direction or something else.. erm.. insyaallah.. i will there! Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari : tidak.. org kedah dok PAHANG tp Triang.. sbb ingt nk buat cuti smggu blk sna. last sblum abis cuti blh g Jerantut.. kn3 (^_^)v 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com I need a person to lead. Can you? alang-alang balik kampung... :) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Sy pun standaby masuk dlm list.. p/s: yahoo.. blh blk kmpg skali daa... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton)http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhamad Hisyam Bin Nasir (LowKey) http://blog.lowkey.net.my/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/lowkey Key Fingerprint: C5F1 31DD 70E7 2293 4BAE 465C BE47 F7FB D760 EC84 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
Baiklah - keputusan telah dicapai - jawatan ini dimenangi oleh Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit, :D btw, better jangan buat susah2 sangat, simple2 cukup. asalkan matlamatnya tercapai. :D sebab takut nanti saya sendiri susah nak faham.. ehe.. detail on hosting etc2 akan dihantar dalam masa terdekat. btw, kalau nak try open-school tu pun nampak macam menarik je.. takyah da susah2.. just gune ready made cms :D 2011/3/2 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com menarik juga openschool tuh. Open Source Project! Kewl! محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 2011/3/2 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com *angkat tangan* tapi jangan expect kerja saya hebat lebih2 sangat ;) Sent from my BlackBerry® Curve device via Mobistar be. 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Saya cadangkan Civicrm... http://civicrm.org/ Menarik untuk dicuba dan ada intergation Drupal dan Joomla. Blog post ini menarik http://civicrm.org/blogs/michael-mcandrew/what-can-you-do-civicrm-60-minutes dan membership registration http://civicrm.org/civimember Satu lagi yang boleh dicuba adalah http://open-school.org/ Wassalam. 2011/3/2 Hanif Nordan hanifnor...@gmail.com: Assalamualaikum.. saya nak minta tolong sape2 yang tengah free tolong buatkan sistem student registration ( simpe je patutnya..kan ? gune php and mysql ) untuk budak2 madrasah annur.. hosting and domainnya sudah ada. laman web sementara dipointkan pada blogspot.. pengetua madrasah request nak sistem student registration tu.. kalau ada sape2 yang tengah free and sanggup buat keja FREE.. sila inform saya ye.. maybe orang yang pertama send request jadi volunteer akan diberi harapan ini.. :D sebab ramai2 takut tak menjadi plak.. any idea boleh inform sini.. thanks. blog madrasah.. http://madrasahannur.blogspot.com domainnya www.madrasahannur.com sekian, terima kasih :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
[osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal
Good luck mate I am glad that things seem to be looking good. Cheers and GOD bless, Eric On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:32 AM, aziman noor azi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Eric. We tried 10 PC on mockup-lab with LTSP 4.0, in 60 seconds all 10 PC's boot to OpenSuSE GUI with no error. But 1 PC replaced with NIC card instead of built-in, because not stable. Then form the workstation, the PC can access cloud-os via http, like open spreadsheet and word processor, plus LMS. Need to focus more on SaaS on cloud. Thanks. 2011/2/17 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com: I am unsure you want to do LTSP. While I have not personally tried it, I have heard many horror stories about. Again, this is mere hearsay. Also, Karoshi may be just what you need http://karoshi.linuxgfx.co.uk/ openSUSE also has an education rebuild that will have all the tools you need built-in. You can get to it at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Education-Li-f-e Cheers and best of luck Eric 2011/2/14 aziman noor azi...@gmail.com: Untuk minggu ni, pembentangan akan dibuat kepada pihak pengkaji dasar, terutama Open Source Committee dalam kementerian tersebut. Memang dalam proposal akan menggunakan semula server2 yang sedia ada, tp banyak yang dah rosak melalui beberapa lawatan yang dibuat. Spec server dalam ujilari projek ini memang menggunakan server yang disediada di semua lokasi, iaitu Intel XEON. Mungkin akan gunakan mockup-lab yang sedia ada, cuma dipermurnikan dengan kaedah baru. Bro Haris, kawan saya sedang buat 'projection cost'/ TCO. Cuma saya nak input daripada saintis Linux sekalian, jika image LTSP client hanya mempunyai distro + Browser (flash,java) , ok ker? Sebab ada satu lagi pilihan, iaitu menggunakan teknologi 441. Thanks cikgu ayob nanti bila dah finalist, sy akan update disini lagik. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Assalamualaikum, Bro. Boleh tahu kepada siapa hendak ditujukan? Bagi saya slide teknikal. Slide 2 Tukar kepada poin-poin sahaja. - flexible, cost effective solution - easily install and deploy desktop workstation - improvesTotal Cost of Ownership (TCO) - increased value overtraditional computing solutions - extremely reliable - comprehensive free and professional support Poin-poin ni sudah boleh jadi breaking-point. 2011/2/11 Aziman Bin Noor azi...@gmail.com: Aku tengah buat draft proposal untuk dibentang kpd kementerian next week. Konsep dia lebih kurang dalam slide presentation aku di http://www.scribd.com/doc/48632366 Distro apa nak pakai belum decide lagi, cuma aku perlukan seberapa banyak input untuk dikumpulkan sebagai breaking-point untuk dibentang nanti. Tapi slide tersebut, aku belum masukkan pasal untuk jadikan Webserver dan Filtering. Itu bila dah ada green-light dari kementerian kena masukkan sekali. All-in-one. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Komuniti As-Salam http://www.salamsentosa.com http://aziman.salamsentosa.com -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Komuniti As-Salam http://www.salamsentosa.com http://aziman.salamsentosa.com -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: Call For Distros Workshop
So shall I. As those who know me well, I am out spoken and sometimes can be too blunt. I mean no harm to anyone. I want the best for FOSS in Malaysia. So kalau nanti bahasa kurang halus, saya minta maaf dahulu. Eric On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Basyeer Linux basyeer_li...@sabily.my wrote: Will be there also On Feb 28, 3:05 pm, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera, I call for Distros workshop again and meet all of you, guys and gals and all parties and distros can present each other projects and work together to get all the projects success. No one win, and no one will gain. We really need each others. My target date is 26 March 2011. Fazli and I will arrange this. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
Tahniah Syazwan! open-school tu prealpha lagi... ada lagi OpenSIS... nampak mcam ok... :) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: 2011/3/2 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com: menarik juga openschool tuh. Open Source Project! Kewl! Sistem mungkin open source tapi development not really 'open'. Takde link ke source code repo, cuma pre-alpha download. The Open-School Alpha is under construction. The framework development and security modules are under coding. Interested programmers please contact us.. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?
Huh.. Dah macam ceramah pagi.. However pun, saya mmg respect dengan semua!! Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: red1 r...@red1.org Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:22:04 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE? Dear Rafe, Firstly i do not think you should aplogize because to me you did not do anything wrong against me personally. Alow me to continue in our national languge so that there is no misunderstanding. Saya rasa saudara tidak harus memohon ampun dengan sesiapa berdasarkan nawaitu saudara memang jelas adalah bagi kebaikan semua. Bukanlah niat saudara mahu curi basikal saya atau hantuk kepala saya sampai berdarah. Pendek kata kerjaya dan peranan saudara adalah untuk kebaikan dan jelas sudah pun bawa kebaikan dibeberapa tempat. Jika tidak, saya percaya saudara tidak akan mendapat kepuasan kerjaya (macam saya sekitika dahulu) dan akan meletak jawatan. Apa yang kita lakukan di sini dan selama ini (thanks to Raja Iskandar's wish) adalah untuk berdialog, berdebat maupun bercanggah pendapat kerana ini adalah amalan negara bebas dan berdemokrasi. Satu suara berada di pihak kerajaan dan satu suara berada nun jauh diseberang. Masing-masing ada cita-rasa tersendiri dan pandangan yang memang berbeza apatah lagi bertentangan. Jika kedua-dua pihak asyik bersetuju saja, apa nama demokrasi ini? Cuma saya terkuis (sorry if i misuse this malay word) adalah setiap kali kita sampai kemuncak yang hapir klimaks hidup mati satu-satu hujah, kita samada merajuk atau susun sepuluh jari seolah Hari Raya Aidil Fitri menjelang tiba pagi ini. Tidak boleh elak sekiranya saya bersuara bukan Melayu kerana saya orang Muslim berbangsa Cina yang tidak mengamalkan beberapa perkara yang saya rasa tidak sesuai dengan apa yang saya belajar dari Islam. Saya berpegang kepada prinsip bebas bersuara, dan memohon maaf hanya sekiranya mencuri dan merampas hak orang lain atau apa jua yang melanggar hukum syarak lalu dituntut oleh hukum tersebut suapay memohon maaf terlbeih dahulu sebelum Allah mengampuni hamba. Jika tersilap cakap itu lumrah bahasa dan bukti semangat emosi yang sihat diluahkan (lebih baik dari dendam dalam hati lepas itu meletup entah pa jadahnya). Sahabat Nabi pun pernah bertengkak dengan Nabi sehingga keluar perkataan 'lu syaitan! get out of my face' (mafhumnya) dari mulut Nabi kepada Umar alKhattab. Bagi saya, saya enjoy letusan mental, intelektual dan hujah demi untuk bersama membina masa depan negara yang mempunyai dasar yang benar, tepat dan berjaya. -- w, macam ceramah BTN pulak dah! So, with that, i hope you have not put down arms and accept that i will strike you * again once i recover from my slight flu at this moment. To Haris, maybe i need to admit that i must have really hurt his feelings. Itulah hari itu Eric sama Fadil ada lu tada, miss belanja makan kat kedai Aturcara Rahsia (Secret Recipt). On 3/2/11 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal wrote: first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good. Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :) azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in, and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon... red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :) hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize your dream in bringing back what you love
Re: [osdcmy] Re: Call For Distros Workshop
Bro. Can we arrange with HackerspaceKL ? Need your help on this. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: So shall I. As those who know me well, I am out spoken and sometimes can be too blunt. I mean no harm to anyone. I want the best for FOSS in Malaysia. So kalau nanti bahasa kurang halus, saya minta maaf dahulu. Eric -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
[osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, Have a read and pls comment... Critique of MQA Computing Program Document - Ah, I make a bold claim, I finally may have figured out a possible reason why our august Universities produce thousands of graduates that are 'unemployable' as far as IT is concerned. The blame must solely rest on the shoulders of the MQA (Malaysia Qualifications Agency) under the Min. of Edu. Its also known as LAN (Lembaga Accredition Negara) http://www.mqa.gov.my/ This 'organ' sets the 'standards'(sic) for all HEPs(Higher Education Providers) in the country, both local and foreign. Yes, even if MIT or Harvard were to set up here, their 'standards' will be governed by them! And it covers not only IT, but also Bitotechnology, Medicine and Health Sc. etc I downlaoded a PDF on the subject area of Computing: http://www.mqa.gov.my/garispanduan/ENGLISH%20Computing_6.1.10_doc.pdf This does not cover all parts of IT, Netwk Engin.(SysAdmin) etc.. is handled by other docs. (so this rant may not apply to the Netwk Engineers, SysAdmins etc..) But it covers all aspects of higher edu for 'Computing': - the type of courses and professionals it develops, presumably for our HR needs... - the qualifiactions required to enter and awarded upon completion, - the 'programme objectives' what the course try to achive, the type fo skills grads. will have - what the syllabus should cover - the accredition, way marks/grading are accorded - Learning Outcomes, what skills/knowledge the grads. will be equipped with (!?) note: Compared to a similar document for BioTech and Engineering, the curriculum seeems to be far less detailed when compared to IT. A lot of freedom seems to be given to instituitions to determine their own. Why then should our industry be so closely scrutinised? As a quick summary, here are my interpretations, I may be wrong, and if so soemone please prove me wrong! It seems 'programming skills' are not required for BSc grads, but are required for Diploma grads WTF, !? (Learning Outcomes, Diploma, pg 14,i). It seems 'programming' is considered a lowly skill suitable for Diploma holders, whereas BSc grads are suppose to be System Analysts and and Proj. Managers!? And BSc grads are suppose to have 'entrepeneurial' skills (pg15 Generic Learning Outcomes, vi) - so they can be the next Facebook I suppose... If this is true, it sets a dangerous and unreal expectations for the students! No wonder most Comp. Sc. grads. don't want to do programming or can't code! And they want to be SAs and PMs? No Way! Without knowing or having done extensive programming, they won't have the depth of knowledge to manage progrmmers, let alone win their respect. They won't be able to evaluate the complexity and timeline required without understanding the tools or its methodology. Worst still, they will end up making the technical decisions, instead of the programmers that are actually doing the work! (Does a construction site-supervisor tell his carpenter what tools he should use? NO!) It just means they make 'dumb' managers which the coders can fool! Also they (grads) probably think they don't need to do programming, and they can straightaway be PMs and SAs but the market and employers certainly don't agree! Holy Dilbert! The fact is that our Unis are producing PHBs (Pointy Haired Bosses) the clueless yet arrogant boss of Dilbert in the comic strip! Haris(OSDC) was trying to form a committee to try and introduce FOSS into Education. I would think the work should start with the MQA. Also who are the people that make such major decisions that affect the future of our nation, are they qualified? Do they have industry experiance? Are they free of vested interested? Are there HW or SW vendors among them? I think most of you who are serious about parctising IT and developing the SW industry in Malaysia will agree with me that some of these decisions are seriously flawed. I certainly hope that such errors in judgement are due to the fact that they have been misinformed, and HOPEFULLY they will allow us, members of the FOSS community to provide an alternative POV. Below are the rest of my rant based on sections of the document, you may have to read it to get the full details, I have included some quotes taken from the docuemnt, they are like this , the rest is my inputs. Also those sections 'notes:' I would welcome all comments, especially from the authority concerned, lets have a healthy discussion on this. And no F words ;-) Intro: -- No date as to when the docuemnt was drafted. The file name carries a probable date, but the document itself does not have a date, change-history or list of authors,
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
I think MQA is not under Ministry of Education. It is corporate agency that handles all qualification of Universities. In the government agency hieracry, MQA sit under Ministry of Higher Education (Kementerian Pengajian Tinggi). There is a few cases whereby certain courses not been certified not because of the syllabus, but because of management of universities not applying for certification from MQA. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:54:40 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com; pytho...@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, Have a read and pls comment... Critique of MQA Computing Program Document - Ah, I make a bold claim, I finally may have figured out a possible reason why our august Universities produce thousands of graduates that are 'unemployable' as far as IT is concerned. The blame must solely rest on the shoulders of the MQA (Malaysia Qualifications Agency) under the Min. of Edu. Its also known as LAN (Lembaga Accredition Negara) http://www.mqa.gov.my/ This 'organ' sets the 'standards'(sic) for all HEPs(Higher Education Providers) in the country, both local and foreign. Yes, even if MIT or Harvard were to set up here, their 'standards' will be governed by them! And it covers not only IT, but also Bitotechnology, Medicine and Health Sc. etc I downlaoded a PDF on the subject area of Computing: http://www.mqa.gov.my/garispanduan/ENGLISH%20Computing_6.1.10_doc.pdf This does not cover all parts of IT, Netwk Engin.(SysAdmin) etc.. is handled by other docs. (so this rant may not apply to the Netwk Engineers, SysAdmins etc..) But it covers all aspects of higher edu for 'Computing': - the type of courses and professionals it develops, presumably for our HR needs... - the qualifiactions required to enter and awarded upon completion, - the 'programme objectives' what the course try to achive, the type fo skills grads. will have - what the syllabus should cover - the accredition, way marks/grading are accorded - Learning Outcomes, what skills/knowledge the grads. will be equipped with (!?) note: Compared to a similar document for BioTech and Engineering, the curriculum seeems to be far less detailed when compared to IT. A lot of freedom seems to be given to instituitions to determine their own. Why then should our industry be so closely scrutinised? As a quick summary, here are my interpretations, I may be wrong, and if so soemone please prove me wrong! It seems 'programming skills' are not required for BSc grads, but are required for Diploma grads WTF, !? (Learning Outcomes, Diploma, pg 14,i). It seems 'programming' is considered a lowly skill suitable for Diploma holders, whereas BSc grads are suppose to be System Analysts and and Proj. Managers!? And BSc grads are suppose to have 'entrepeneurial' skills (pg15 Generic Learning Outcomes, vi) - so they can be the next Facebook I suppose... If this is true, it sets a dangerous and unreal expectations for the students! No wonder most Comp. Sc. grads. don't want to do programming or can't code! And they want to be SAs and PMs? No Way! Without knowing or having done extensive programming, they won't have the depth of knowledge to manage progrmmers, let alone win their respect. They won't be able to evaluate the complexity and timeline required without understanding the tools or its methodology. Worst still, they will end up making the technical decisions, instead of the programmers that are actually doing the work! (Does a construction site-supervisor tell his carpenter what tools he should use? NO!) It just means they make 'dumb' managers which the coders can fool! Also they (grads) probably think they don't need to do programming, and they can straightaway be PMs and SAs but the market and employers certainly don't agree! Holy Dilbert! The fact is that our Unis are producing PHBs (Pointy Haired Bosses) the clueless yet arrogant boss of Dilbert in the comic strip! Haris(OSDC) was trying to form a committee to try and introduce FOSS into Education. I would think the work should start with the MQA. Also who are the people that make such major decisions that affect the future of our nation, are they qualified? Do they have industry experiance? Are they free of vested interested? Are there HW or SW vendors among them? I think most of you who are serious about parctising IT and developing the SW industry in Malaysia will agree with me that some of these decisions are
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
I think we should invite MQA people or the guy who responsible drafting the document to be Open Education Council (OEC) member :) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com wrote: I think MQA is not under Ministry of Education. It is corporate agency that handles all qualification of Universities. In the government agency hieracry, MQA sit under Ministry of Higher Education (Kementerian Pengajian Tinggi). There is a few cases whereby certain courses not been certified not because of the syllabus, but because of management of universities not applying for certification from MQA. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:54:40 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com; pytho...@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, Have a read and pls comment... Critique of MQA Computing Program Document - Ah, I make a bold claim, I finally may have figured out a possible reason why our august Universities produce thousands of graduates that are 'unemployable' as far as IT is concerned. The blame must solely rest on the shoulders of the MQA (Malaysia Qualifications Agency) under the Min. of Edu. Its also known as LAN (Lembaga Accredition Negara) http://www.mqa.gov.my/ This 'organ' sets the 'standards'(sic) for all HEPs(Higher Education Providers) in the country, both local and foreign. Yes, even if MIT or Harvard were to set up here, their 'standards' will be governed by them! And it covers not only IT, but also Bitotechnology, Medicine and Health Sc. etc I downlaoded a PDF on the subject area of Computing: http://www.mqa.gov.my/garispanduan/ENGLISH%20Computing_6.1.10_doc.pdf This does not cover all parts of IT, Netwk Engin.(SysAdmin) etc.. is handled by other docs. (so this rant may not apply to the Netwk Engineers, SysAdmins etc..) But it covers all aspects of higher edu for 'Computing': - the type of courses and professionals it develops, presumably for our HR needs... - the qualifiactions required to enter and awarded upon completion, - the 'programme objectives' what the course try to achive, the type fo skills grads. will have - what the syllabus should cover - the accredition, way marks/grading are accorded - Learning Outcomes, what skills/knowledge the grads. will be equipped with (!?) note: Compared to a similar document for BioTech and Engineering, the curriculum seeems to be far less detailed when compared to IT. A lot of freedom seems to be given to instituitions to determine their own. Why then should our industry be so closely scrutinised? As a quick summary, here are my interpretations, I may be wrong, and if so soemone please prove me wrong! It seems 'programming skills' are not required for BSc grads, but are required for Diploma grads WTF, !? (Learning Outcomes, Diploma, pg 14,i). It seems 'programming' is considered a lowly skill suitable for Diploma holders, whereas BSc grads are suppose to be System Analysts and and Proj. Managers!? And BSc grads are suppose to have 'entrepeneurial' skills (pg15 Generic Learning Outcomes, vi) - so they can be the next Facebook I suppose... If this is true, it sets a dangerous and unreal expectations for the students! No wonder most Comp. Sc. grads. don't want to do programming or can't code! And they want to be SAs and PMs? No Way! Without knowing or having done extensive programming, they won't have the depth of knowledge to manage progrmmers, let alone win their respect. They won't be able to evaluate the complexity and timeline required without understanding the tools or its methodology. Worst still, they will end up making the technical decisions, instead of the programmers that are actually doing the work! (Does a construction site-supervisor tell his carpenter what tools he should use? NO!) It just means they make 'dumb' managers which the coders can fool! Also they (grads) probably think they don't need to do programming, and they can straightaway be PMs and SAs but the market and employers certainly don't agree! Holy Dilbert! The fact is that our Unis are producing PHBs (Pointy Haired Bosses) the clueless yet arrogant boss of Dilbert in the comic strip! Haris(OSDC) was trying to form a committee to try and introduce FOSS into Education. I would think the work should start with the MQA. Also who are the people that make such major decisions that affect the
Re: [osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
One more suggestion from FB (kawan Hanif) http://www.kuali.org/ Kuali is a growing community of universities, colleges, businesses, and other organizations that have partnered to build and sustain open-source software for higher education, by higher education. Kuali software is designed to meet the needs of all sizes of institutions, from land-grant research universities to community colleges. The members of the Kuali Community share a common vision of open, modular, and distributed systems for their software requirements. Kuali software is released under the Educational Community License. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:52 AM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: baru test opensis.mmg terbaek r.advance gak.siap ntuk grade,kuarkan transcript.huhu On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: http://opensis.com/ Pun ok gak tu. :) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari rizal...@gmail.com wrote: Tahniah Syazwan! open-school tu prealpha lagi... ada lagi OpenSIS... nampak mcam ok... :) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Malaysia Open Source Software Conference 2011 MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 LinuxMalaysia Network http://www.facebook.com/Bukan.Sekadar.Internet.Sahaja -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
Salam semua, Nk masukan subjek JAVA Programing pun panel MQA ckp, itu terlalu tinggi utk student diploma, so camane erkk.. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari rizal...@gmail.comwrote: I think we should invite MQA people or the guy who responsible drafting the document to be Open Education Council (OEC) member :) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin pislissnif...@gmail.com wrote: I think MQA is not under Ministry of Education. It is corporate agency that handles all qualification of Universities. In the government agency hieracry, MQA sit under Ministry of Higher Education (Kementerian Pengajian Tinggi). There is a few cases whereby certain courses not been certified not because of the syllabus, but because of management of universities not applying for certification from MQA. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:54:40 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com; pytho...@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, Have a read and pls comment... Critique of MQA Computing Program Document - Ah, I make a bold claim, I finally may have figured out a possible reason why our august Universities produce thousands of graduates that are 'unemployable' as far as IT is concerned. The blame must solely rest on the shoulders of the MQA (Malaysia Qualifications Agency) under the Min. of Edu. Its also known as LAN (Lembaga Accredition Negara) http://www.mqa.gov.my/ This 'organ' sets the 'standards'(sic) for all HEPs(Higher Education Providers) in the country, both local and foreign. Yes, even if MIT or Harvard were to set up here, their 'standards' will be governed by them! And it covers not only IT, but also Bitotechnology, Medicine and Health Sc. etc I downlaoded a PDF on the subject area of Computing: http://www.mqa.gov.my/garispanduan/ENGLISH%20Computing_6.1.10_doc.pdf This does not cover all parts of IT, Netwk Engin.(SysAdmin) etc.. is handled by other docs. (so this rant may not apply to the Netwk Engineers, SysAdmins etc..) But it covers all aspects of higher edu for 'Computing': - the type of courses and professionals it develops, presumably for our HR needs... - the qualifiactions required to enter and awarded upon completion, - the 'programme objectives' what the course try to achive, the type fo skills grads. will have - what the syllabus should cover - the accredition, way marks/grading are accorded - Learning Outcomes, what skills/knowledge the grads. will be equipped with (!?) note: Compared to a similar document for BioTech and Engineering, the curriculum seeems to be far less detailed when compared to IT. A lot of freedom seems to be given to instituitions to determine their own. Why then should our industry be so closely scrutinised? As a quick summary, here are my interpretations, I may be wrong, and if so soemone please prove me wrong! It seems 'programming skills' are not required for BSc grads, but are required for Diploma grads WTF, !? (Learning Outcomes, Diploma, pg 14,i). It seems 'programming' is considered a lowly skill suitable for Diploma holders, whereas BSc grads are suppose to be System Analysts and and Proj. Managers!? And BSc grads are suppose to have 'entrepeneurial' skills (pg15 Generic Learning Outcomes, vi) - so they can be the next Facebook I suppose... If this is true, it sets a dangerous and unreal expectations for the students! No wonder most Comp. Sc. grads. don't want to do programming or can't code! And they want to be SAs and PMs? No Way! Without knowing or having done extensive programming, they won't have the depth of knowledge to manage progrmmers, let alone win their respect. They won't be able to evaluate the complexity and timeline required without understanding the tools or its methodology. Worst still, they will end up making the technical decisions, instead of the programmers that are actually doing the work! (Does a construction site-supervisor tell his carpenter what tools he should use? NO!) It just means they make 'dumb' managers which the coders can fool! Also they (grads) probably think they don't need to do programming, and they can straightaway be PMs and SAs but the market and employers certainly don't agree! Holy Dilbert! The fact is that our Unis are
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
On 03/03/2011 10:00 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin wrote: Salam semua, Nk masukan subjek JAVA Programing pun panel MQA ckp, itu terlalu tinggi utk student diploma, so camane erkk.. Rasanya sejak 2005 dah ada ajar java kat uni awam sebab saya kena ambil subjek OOP untuk Dip. Sains Komputer semasa di UiTM dulu. Tapi lecturer tu main dan je la...pasal baru belajar untuk mengajar :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
O tp nie utk private college... even utk subjek photography pun dorang mintak kena ada bilik gelap... even skang nie dah pakai SLR kamera... 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 10:00 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin wrote: Salam semua, Nk masukan subjek JAVA Programing pun panel MQA ckp, itu terlalu tinggi utk student diploma, so camane erkk.. Rasanya sejak 2005 dah ada ajar java kat uni awam sebab saya kena ambil subjek OOP untuk Dip. Sains Komputer semasa di UiTM dulu. Tapi lecturer tu main dan je la...pasal baru belajar untuk mengajar :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal
So far, they agreed and excited to see on pilot school, but they'r busy right now on election site. I'm doing some documentation on hardware requirement, projection cost (TCO), and collaborate with others apps such as i-Nilam (SMM) and BTP representative. After meeting with 'pembesar-pembesar' minister, I will update you all. Thanks. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: Good luck mate I am glad that things seem to be looking good. Cheers and GOD bless, Eric On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:32 AM, aziman noor azi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Eric. We tried 10 PC on mockup-lab with LTSP 4.0, in 60 seconds all 10 PC's boot to OpenSuSE GUI with no error. But 1 PC replaced with NIC card instead of built-in, because not stable. Then form the workstation, the PC can access cloud-os via http, like open spreadsheet and word processor, plus LMS. Need to focus more on SaaS on cloud. Thanks. 2011/2/17 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com: I am unsure you want to do LTSP. While I have not personally tried it, I have heard many horror stories about. Again, this is mere hearsay. Also, Karoshi may be just what you need http://karoshi.linuxgfx.co.uk/ openSUSE also has an education rebuild that will have all the tools you need built-in. You can get to it at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Education-Li-f-e Cheers and best of luck Eric 2011/2/14 aziman noor azi...@gmail.com: Untuk minggu ni, pembentangan akan dibuat kepada pihak pengkaji dasar, terutama Open Source Committee dalam kementerian tersebut. Memang dalam proposal akan menggunakan semula server2 yang sedia ada, tp banyak yang dah rosak melalui beberapa lawatan yang dibuat. Spec server dalam ujilari projek ini memang menggunakan server yang disediada di semua lokasi, iaitu Intel XEON. Mungkin akan gunakan mockup-lab yang sedia ada, cuma dipermurnikan dengan kaedah baru. Bro Haris, kawan saya sedang buat 'projection cost'/ TCO. Cuma saya nak input daripada saintis Linux sekalian, jika image LTSP client hanya mempunyai distro + Browser (flash,java) , ok ker? Sebab ada satu lagi pilihan, iaitu menggunakan teknologi 441. Thanks cikgu ayob nanti bila dah finalist, sy akan update disini lagik. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Assalamualaikum, Bro. Boleh tahu kepada siapa hendak ditujukan? Bagi saya slide teknikal. Slide 2 Tukar kepada poin-poin sahaja. - flexible, cost effective solution - easily install and deploy desktop workstation - improvesTotal Cost of Ownership (TCO) - increased value overtraditional computing solutions - extremely reliable - comprehensive free and professional support Poin-poin ni sudah boleh jadi breaking-point. 2011/2/11 Aziman Bin Noor azi...@gmail.com: Aku tengah buat draft proposal untuk dibentang kpd kementerian next week. Konsep dia lebih kurang dalam slide presentation aku di http://www.scribd.com/doc/48632366 Distro apa nak pakai belum decide lagi, cuma aku perlukan seberapa banyak input untuk dikumpulkan sebagai breaking-point untuk dibentang nanti. Tapi slide tersebut, aku belum masukkan pasal untuk jadikan Webserver dan Filtering. Itu bila dah ada green-light dari kementerian kena masukkan sekali. All-in-one. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Komuniti As-Salam http://www.salamsentosa.com http://aziman.salamsentosa.com -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Komuniti As-Salam http://www.salamsentosa.com http://aziman.salamsentosa.com -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Komuniti As-Salam http://www.salamsentosa.com http://aziman.salamsentosa.com -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?
dude, doesn't mean that i apologize i surrender. doesn't mean that i lost the battle or the war ! is something enjoyable personally to me see that people still have the guts to actually stand up and say their mind. and to note that my apology wasn't directly to you but to everyone in the list. satisfactions in the job that im doing doesn't related back to my personal view of thing here. i doing the job due to my responsibility that was given to me - as simple as that - true enough red1 to most of my answer to your question was never been answer from you directly as if the question just another provocation of someone who have some much time in not doing anything.. :) in regards of stealing your bike come on dude i would rather take your exora which will give me more return and the hantukan kepala kat dinding tu was actually attentional, which i don't felt remorse at all.. :) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:48 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Inilah problem kerja dari rumah. Tiada bazir masa jalanraya pegi dan balik ofis hari-hari. Masa lapang macam ni nak buat ape (selain develop software untuk foreign client dan mengharapkan USD tak jatuh teruk kerana dibayar menerusi PayPal USD). Bini sini pun boring sama hamba. (Not Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device because i do not have one or need to be that busy and bossy) On 3/3/11 7:42 AM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin wrote: Huh.. Dah macam ceramah pagi.. However pun, saya mmg respect dengan semua!! Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: red1r...@red1.org Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:22:04 To:osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE? Dear Rafe, Firstly i do not think you should aplogize because to me you did not do anything wrong against me personally. Alow me to continue in our national languge so that there is no misunderstanding. Saya rasa saudara tidak harus memohon ampun dengan sesiapa berdasarkan nawaitu saudara memang jelas adalah bagi kebaikan semua. Bukanlah niat saudara mahu curi basikal saya atau hantuk kepala saya sampai berdarah. Pendek kata kerjaya dan peranan saudara adalah untuk kebaikan dan jelas sudah pun bawa kebaikan dibeberapa tempat. Jika tidak, saya percaya saudara tidak akan mendapat kepuasan kerjaya (macam saya sekitika dahulu) dan akan meletak jawatan. Apa yang kita lakukan di sini dan selama ini (thanks to Raja Iskandar's wish) adalah untuk berdialog, berdebat maupun bercanggah pendapat kerana ini adalah amalan negara bebas dan berdemokrasi. Satu suara berada di pihak kerajaan dan satu suara berada nun jauh diseberang. Masing-masing ada cita-rasa tersendiri dan pandangan yang memang berbeza apatah lagi bertentangan. Jika kedua-dua pihak asyik bersetuju saja, apa nama demokrasi ini? Cuma saya terkuis (sorry if i misuse this malay word) adalah setiap kali kita sampai kemuncak yang hapir klimaks hidup mati satu-satu hujah, kita samada merajuk atau susun sepuluh jari seolah Hari Raya Aidil Fitri menjelang tiba pagi ini. Tidak boleh elak sekiranya saya bersuara bukan Melayu kerana saya orang Muslim berbangsa Cina yang tidak mengamalkan beberapa perkara yang saya rasa tidak sesuai dengan apa yang saya belajar dari Islam. Saya berpegang kepada prinsip bebas bersuara, dan memohon maaf hanya sekiranya mencuri dan merampas hak orang lain atau apa jua yang melanggar hukum syarak lalu dituntut oleh hukum tersebut suapay memohon maaf terlbeih dahulu sebelum Allah mengampuni hamba. Jika tersilap cakap itu lumrah bahasa dan bukti semangat emosi yang sihat diluahkan (lebih baik dari dendam dalam hati lepas itu meletup entah pa jadahnya). Sahabat Nabi pun pernah bertengkak dengan Nabi sehingga keluar perkataan 'lu syaitan! get out of my face' (mafhumnya) dari mulut Nabi kepada Umar alKhattab. Bagi saya, saya enjoy letusan mental, intelektual dan hujah demi untuk bersama membina masa depan negara yang mempunyai dasar yang benar, tepat dan berjaya.-- w, macam ceramah BTN pulak dah! So, with that, i hope you have not put down arms and accept that i will strike you * again once i recover from my slight flu at this moment. To Haris, maybe i need to admit that i must have really hurt his feelings. Itulah hari itu Eric sama Fadil ada lu tada, miss belanja makan kat kedai Aturcara Rahsia (Secret Recipt). On 3/2/11 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal wrote: first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good. Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the portfolio of OSS and we have done
Re: [osdcmy] Re: Call For Distros Workshop
me google talk rizerenterpr...@gmail.com Mr. Swee Meng from hskl i really love those running led that's in youtube. arrangement for DistroWatch !st. DistroWorkshop meetup at HackerSpace kL 26Mac2011 0800-2300 for the preliminary show-up showcase for 1Mdb a everyone is invited. I will bring along hakko iron and my talking perroquet just in case or anyone| please message me 0194552670 for further notifications. The sign were so clear on the LED would it not be the zylog that you hacking? I wonder sincerely brolinux 2011/3/3 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com: Bro. Can we arrange with HackerspaceKL ? Need your help on this. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: So shall I. As those who know me well, I am out spoken and sometimes can be too blunt. I mean no harm to anyone. I want the best for FOSS in Malaysia. So kalau nanti bahasa kurang halus, saya minta maaf dahulu. Eric -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
+1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com 2011/3/3 Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin kernel...@gmail.com: O tp nie utk private college... even utk subjek photography pun dorang mintak kena ada bilik gelap... even skang nie dah pakai SLR kamera... 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 10:00 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin wrote: Salam semua, Nk masukan subjek JAVA Programing pun panel MQA ckp, itu terlalu tinggi utk student diploma, so camane erkk.. Rasanya sejak 2005 dah ada ajar java kat uni awam sebab saya kena ambil subjek OOP untuk Dip. Sains Komputer semasa di UiTM dulu. Tapi lecturer tu main dan je la...pasal baru belajar untuk mengajar :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: Call For Distros Workshop
Ini distro workshop ke or LED workshop. confuse. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: me google talk rizerenterpr...@gmail.com Mr. Swee Meng from hskl i really love those running led that's in youtube. arrangement for DistroWatch !st. DistroWorkshop meetup at HackerSpace kL 26Mac2011 0800-2300 for the preliminary show-up showcase for 1Mdb a everyone is invited. I will bring along hakko iron and my talking perroquet just in case or anyone| please message me 0194552670 for further notifications. The sign were so clear on the LED would it not be the zylog that you hacking? I wonder sincerely brolinux 2011/3/3 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com: Bro. Can we arrange with HackerspaceKL ? Need your help on this. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: So shall I. As those who know me well, I am out spoken and sometimes can be too blunt. I mean no harm to anyone. I want the best for FOSS in Malaysia. So kalau nanti bahasa kurang halus, saya minta maaf dahulu. Eric -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
Good one will learn on their own anyway. But boh really hit it spot on. unfortunately during my time, which is really not that long ago, one have to really learn on their own to really know stuff. But hey, this is Malaysia, student are taught to study stuff relevant to exam, so good luck with finding more of us down there. And they try to train to fit the industry, but really I got my doubt on whether they know about it. So I got a feeling that if I go back to school, many stuff we talk about that we take for granted is new them. Which I really hope to be wrong. Which is why many of my classmate ends up as 1) Support 2) Sysadmin. Not that many in software development, and of those even fewer involve in Open Source(maybe except PHP) or anything non-Microsoft/PC/Web. Many will opt out for programming related job also for other reason, that is actually another story all together. and quite a number quit IT, some is aptitude some is about perceived future in IT. 2011/3/3 Haris bin Ali ha...@qedx.com +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com 2011/3/3 Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin kernel...@gmail.com: O tp nie utk private college... even utk subjek photography pun dorang mintak kena ada bilik gelap... even skang nie dah pakai SLR kamera... 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 10:00 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin wrote: Salam semua, Nk masukan subjek JAVA Programing pun panel MQA ckp, itu terlalu tinggi utk student diploma, so camane erkk.. Rasanya sejak 2005 dah ada ajar java kat uni awam sebab saya kena ambil subjek OOP untuk Dip. Sains Komputer semasa di UiTM dulu. Tapi lecturer tu main dan je la...pasal baru belajar untuk mengajar :D -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
On 03/03/2011 12:05 PM, Haris bin Ali wrote: +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com teringat bro Azrul (beliau keje dgn Sun kot masa tu) tanya kat aku pada satu event Sun kt incubator MSC di Cyberjaya: apa object paling atas sekali dalam java (lebih kurang dalam BI, kalau tak silap jawapannya Object() ) masa tu aku baru lepas extend Asas Programming (student malas kaki games) baru je amik OOP, yang lain dah masuk OOP2. Baru je belajar buat function merepek. Tergamam jugak la. Bedal je tapi dah lupa jawab apa. Bila masuk OOP2 baru la tau jawapan tu. Malas baca buku teks! Hehehe. student sc. comp. jangan malas-malas macam aku ;) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
Ingat tak masa mula-mula IT bertapak kat sini. Course IT lah yang paling mudah untuk masuk U. IT mungkin diletakkan sebagai pilihan kedua, ketiga, keempat atau tercorot untuk masuk U. Sekarang pun mungkin lagi. Dan hasil pengalaman mengajar student U, sedikit dari mereka yang betul-betul minat kat IT. Yang lain semua kerana terpaksa. Bagi dorang yang penting masuk U lulus exam dan berharap kerja datang bergolek depan mereka. 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 12:05 PM, Haris bin Ali wrote: +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com teringat bro Azrul (beliau keje dgn Sun kot masa tu) tanya kat aku pada satu event Sun kt incubator MSC di Cyberjaya: apa object paling atas sekali dalam java (lebih kurang dalam BI, kalau tak silap jawapannya Object() ) masa tu aku baru lepas extend Asas Programming (student malas kaki games) baru je amik OOP, yang lain dah masuk OOP2. Baru je belajar buat function merepek. Tergamam jugak la. Bedal je tapi dah lupa jawab apa. Bila masuk OOP2 baru la tau jawapan tu. Malas baca buku teks! Hehehe. student sc. comp. jangan malas-malas macam aku ;) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Regards, Hafiz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
sekarang pun sama, dan seperti dulu, tak banyak yang pilih IT sebagai pilihan pertaman 2011/3/3 Hafiz Bhari executab...@gmail.com Ingat tak masa mula-mula IT bertapak kat sini. Course IT lah yang paling mudah untuk masuk U. IT mungkin diletakkan sebagai pilihan kedua, ketiga, keempat atau tercorot untuk masuk U. Sekarang pun mungkin lagi. Dan hasil pengalaman mengajar student U, sedikit dari mereka yang betul-betul minat kat IT. Yang lain semua kerana terpaksa. Bagi dorang yang penting masuk U lulus exam dan berharap kerja datang bergolek depan mereka. 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 12:05 PM, Haris bin Ali wrote: +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com teringat bro Azrul (beliau keje dgn Sun kot masa tu) tanya kat aku pada satu event Sun kt incubator MSC di Cyberjaya: apa object paling atas sekali dalam java (lebih kurang dalam BI, kalau tak silap jawapannya Object() ) masa tu aku baru lepas extend Asas Programming (student malas kaki games) baru je amik OOP, yang lain dah masuk OOP2. Baru je belajar buat function merepek. Tergamam jugak la. Bedal je tapi dah lupa jawab apa. Bila masuk OOP2 baru la tau jawapan tu. Malas baca buku teks! Hehehe. student sc. comp. jangan malas-malas macam aku ;) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Regards, Hafiz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: Call For Distros Workshop
no, before i forget kalau nak masuk kena bayar yuran masuk kan jadi ahlil nujum pak belalng boleh tak bagi diskaun khas untuk ahli osdc.my dan ahli distroworkshop thanks 2011/3/3 sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com: Ini distro workshop ke or LED workshop. confuse. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, riZer Enterprise rizerenterpr...@gmail.com wrote: me google talk rizerenterpr...@gmail.com Mr. Swee Meng from hskl i really love those running led that's in youtube. arrangement for DistroWatch !st. DistroWorkshop meetup at HackerSpace kL 26Mac2011 0800-2300 for the preliminary show-up showcase for 1Mdb a everyone is invited. I will bring along hakko iron and my talking perroquet just in case or anyone| please message me 0194552670 for further notifications. The sign were so clear on the LED would it not be the zylog that you hacking? I wonder sincerely brolinux 2011/3/3 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com: Bro. Can we arrange with HackerspaceKL ? Need your help on this. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: So shall I. As those who know me well, I am out spoken and sometimes can be too blunt. I mean no harm to anyone. I want the best for FOSS in Malaysia. So kalau nanti bahasa kurang halus, saya minta maaf dahulu. Eric -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Invitation from HSKL to use the space
On Wednesday, March 2, 2011 7:36:12 PM UTC+8, linuxmalaysia wrote: Team, lets we use hackerspace as our meet up place. Always happy to do my bit in helping the community :) --mel -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Re: Call For Distros Workshop
On Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:57:19 PM UTC+8, riZer Enterprise wrote: no, before i forget kalau nak masuk kena bayar yuran masuk kan jadi ahlil nujum pak belalng boleh tak bagi diskaun khas untuk ahli osdc.my dan ahli distroworkshop Hi, As I mentioned in my email, there's no requirements to be a member to use the space. As a token of appreciation, we encourage non-members to give donations if they want to use the space for events. This will be used for upkeep of the space. --mel -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Buatkan website ?
sebenarnye dalam cadangan nak try mecca, ERP untuk education institute/university :) http://www.red1.org/university/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: One more suggestion from FB (kawan Hanif) http://www.kuali.org/ Kuali is a growing community of universities, colleges, businesses, and other organizations that have partnered to build and sustain open-source software for higher education, by higher education. Kuali software is designed to meet the needs of all sizes of institutions, from land-grant research universities to community colleges. The members of the Kuali Community share a common vision of open, modular, and distributed systems for their software requirements. Kuali software is released under the Educational Community License. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:52 AM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: baru test opensis.mmg terbaek r.advance gak.siap ntuk grade,kuarkan transcript.huhu On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: http://opensis.com/ Pun ok gak tu. :) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari rizal...@gmail.com wrote: Tahniah Syazwan! open-school tu prealpha lagi... ada lagi OpenSIS... nampak mcam ok... :) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Malaysia Open Source Software Conference 2011 MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 LinuxMalaysia Network http://www.facebook.com/Bukan.Sekadar.Internet.Sahaja -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
I don't want to condemn universities student, tapi sebahagian dari mereka tak nak belajar benda yang lain selain yang diajar dalam kuliah atau dari buku. mesti nak ikut buku bulat-bulat. bila dah tunjuk cara paling mudah, dia pun cakap o. based my experience, one of my friend, a degree (not diploma) from local university got new syllabus for one of subject. but when I'm try to tengok both the previous and new syllabus, nampak sangat pengajaran makin mudah. eg: before this, IT student diajar cara nak configure network gunakan dan mesti lulus menggunakan command line, tapi new syllabus just right clickproperties.. linux? makin sikit perlu belajar dibandingkan dulu. mohon maaf kalau saya ada buat orang disini kecil hati atau terasa, tapi itulah realiti. maaf sekali lagi. 2011/3/3 sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com sekarang pun sama, dan seperti dulu, tak banyak yang pilih IT sebagai pilihan pertaman 2011/3/3 Hafiz Bhari executab...@gmail.com Ingat tak masa mula-mula IT bertapak kat sini. Course IT lah yang paling mudah untuk masuk U. IT mungkin diletakkan sebagai pilihan kedua, ketiga, keempat atau tercorot untuk masuk U. Sekarang pun mungkin lagi. Dan hasil pengalaman mengajar student U, sedikit dari mereka yang betul-betul minat kat IT. Yang lain semua kerana terpaksa. Bagi dorang yang penting masuk U lulus exam dan berharap kerja datang bergolek depan mereka. 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 12:05 PM, Haris bin Ali wrote: +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com teringat bro Azrul (beliau keje dgn Sun kot masa tu) tanya kat aku pada satu event Sun kt incubator MSC di Cyberjaya: apa object paling atas sekali dalam java (lebih kurang dalam BI, kalau tak silap jawapannya Object() ) masa tu aku baru lepas extend Asas Programming (student malas kaki games) baru je amik OOP, yang lain dah masuk OOP2. Baru je belajar buat function merepek. Tergamam jugak la. Bedal je tapi dah lupa jawab apa. Bila masuk OOP2 baru la tau jawapan tu. Malas baca buku teks! Hehehe. student sc. comp. jangan malas-malas macam aku ;) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Regards, Hafiz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
Lecturer pun problem jugak sebenarnya. Kalau tak ikut buku bulat-bulat karang dia tak nak :( Nak buat macam mana tu? //ha...@qedx.com 2011/3/3 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com: I don't want to condemn universities student, tapi sebahagian dari mereka tak nak belajar benda yang lain selain yang diajar dalam kuliah atau dari buku. mesti nak ikut buku bulat-bulat. bila dah tunjuk cara paling mudah, dia pun cakap o. based my experience, one of my friend, a degree (not diploma) from local university got new syllabus for one of subject. but when I'm try to tengok both the previous and new syllabus, nampak sangat pengajaran makin mudah. eg: before this, IT student diajar cara nak configure network gunakan dan mesti lulus menggunakan command line, tapi new syllabus just right clickproperties.. linux? makin sikit perlu belajar dibandingkan dulu. mohon maaf kalau saya ada buat orang disini kecil hati atau terasa, tapi itulah realiti. maaf sekali lagi. 2011/3/3 sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com sekarang pun sama, dan seperti dulu, tak banyak yang pilih IT sebagai pilihan pertaman 2011/3/3 Hafiz Bhari executab...@gmail.com Ingat tak masa mula-mula IT bertapak kat sini. Course IT lah yang paling mudah untuk masuk U. IT mungkin diletakkan sebagai pilihan kedua, ketiga, keempat atau tercorot untuk masuk U. Sekarang pun mungkin lagi. Dan hasil pengalaman mengajar student U, sedikit dari mereka yang betul-betul minat kat IT. Yang lain semua kerana terpaksa. Bagi dorang yang penting masuk U lulus exam dan berharap kerja datang bergolek depan mereka. 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 12:05 PM, Haris bin Ali wrote: +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com teringat bro Azrul (beliau keje dgn Sun kot masa tu) tanya kat aku pada satu event Sun kt incubator MSC di Cyberjaya: apa object paling atas sekali dalam java (lebih kurang dalam BI, kalau tak silap jawapannya Object() ) masa tu aku baru lepas extend Asas Programming (student malas kaki games) baru je amik OOP, yang lain dah masuk OOP2. Baru je belajar buat function merepek. Tergamam jugak la. Bedal je tapi dah lupa jawab apa. Bila masuk OOP2 baru la tau jawapan tu. Malas baca buku teks! Hehehe. student sc. comp. jangan malas-malas macam aku ;) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Regards, Hafiz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant
Anak sapa laaa nie sopan sungguh, seb baik aku tadak adik pompuan :) 2011/3/3 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com I don't want to condemn universities student, tapi sebahagian dari mereka tak nak belajar benda yang lain selain yang diajar dalam kuliah atau dari buku. mesti nak ikut buku bulat-bulat. bila dah tunjuk cara paling mudah, dia pun cakap o. based my experience, one of my friend, a degree (not diploma) from local university got new syllabus for one of subject. but when I'm try to tengok both the previous and new syllabus, nampak sangat pengajaran makin mudah. eg: before this, IT student diajar cara nak configure network gunakan dan mesti lulus menggunakan command line, tapi new syllabus just right clickproperties.. linux? makin sikit perlu belajar dibandingkan dulu. mohon maaf kalau saya ada buat orang disini kecil hati atau terasa, tapi itulah realiti. maaf sekali lagi. 2011/3/3 sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com sekarang pun sama, dan seperti dulu, tak banyak yang pilih IT sebagai pilihan pertaman 2011/3/3 Hafiz Bhari executab...@gmail.com Ingat tak masa mula-mula IT bertapak kat sini. Course IT lah yang paling mudah untuk masuk U. IT mungkin diletakkan sebagai pilihan kedua, ketiga, keempat atau tercorot untuk masuk U. Sekarang pun mungkin lagi. Dan hasil pengalaman mengajar student U, sedikit dari mereka yang betul-betul minat kat IT. Yang lain semua kerana terpaksa. Bagi dorang yang penting masuk U lulus exam dan berharap kerja datang bergolek depan mereka. 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 12:05 PM, Haris bin Ali wrote: +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com teringat bro Azrul (beliau keje dgn Sun kot masa tu) tanya kat aku pada satu event Sun kt incubator MSC di Cyberjaya: apa object paling atas sekali dalam java (lebih kurang dalam BI, kalau tak silap jawapannya Object() ) masa tu aku baru lepas extend Asas Programming (student malas kaki games) baru je amik OOP, yang lain dah masuk OOP2. Baru je belajar buat function merepek. Tergamam jugak la. Bedal je tapi dah lupa jawab apa. Bila masuk OOP2 baru la tau jawapan tu. Malas baca buku teks! Hehehe. student sc. comp. jangan malas-malas macam aku ;) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Regards, Hafiz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Program Karnival ICT Peringkat Negeri Pahang
arikh : 9 Hingga 10 April 2011 (Sabtu Ahad) Tempat : Dataran Kuala Tembeling, Jerantut, Pahang silap pos daa.. ok3 waktu n masa ni jadi.. sy dtg.. kn tangguh cuti ha3 2011/3/3 Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com xdpt pergi kalu 5 6 hb ni sbb ada EXAM dgn UNITAR.. sorry.. mggu depan br cuti.. wawawa 2011/3/2 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com Rasa macam nak join je.. dulu teringat wakil sekolah time lawan teknologi roket kat sekolah area jerantut.. Haha.. Kenangan. Insya allah, put me on the list. محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Muhamad Hisyam Bin Nasir hisyamna...@gmail.com wrote: Wh Jerantut? Tempat tinggal saya dulu.. have memory kat sana.. :D Kirim salam dekat orang-orang jerantut ya nanti.. insyAllah, jika ada peluang saya turut hadir. :D On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Harisfazillah Jamel : owh.. that's mean i'm lead your direction or something else.. erm.. insyaallah.. i will there! Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari : tidak.. org kedah dok PAHANG tp Triang.. sbb ingt nk buat cuti smggu blk sna. last sblum abis cuti blh g Jerantut.. kn3 (^_^)v 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com I need a person to lead. Can you? alang-alang balik kampung... :) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Sy pun standaby masuk dlm list.. p/s: yahoo.. blh blk kmpg skali daa... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian)https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton)http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhamad Hisyam Bin Nasir (LowKey) http://blog.lowkey.net.my/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/lowkey Key Fingerprint: C5F1 31DD 70E7 2293 4BAE 465C BE47 F7FB D760 EC84 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 -
Re: [osdcmy] Program Karnival ICT Peringkat Negeri Pahang
xdpt pergi kalu 5 6 hb ni sbb ada EXAM dgn UNITAR.. sorry.. mggu depan br cuti.. wawawa 2011/3/2 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com Rasa macam nak join je.. dulu teringat wakil sekolah time lawan teknologi roket kat sekolah area jerantut.. Haha.. Kenangan. Insya allah, put me on the list. محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Muhamad Hisyam Bin Nasir hisyamna...@gmail.com wrote: Wh Jerantut? Tempat tinggal saya dulu.. have memory kat sana.. :D Kirim salam dekat orang-orang jerantut ya nanti.. insyAllah, jika ada peluang saya turut hadir. :D On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Harisfazillah Jamel : owh.. that's mean i'm lead your direction or something else.. erm.. insyaallah.. i will there! Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari : tidak.. org kedah dok PAHANG tp Triang.. sbb ingt nk buat cuti smggu blk sna. last sblum abis cuti blh g Jerantut.. kn3 (^_^)v 2011/3/2 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com I need a person to lead. Can you? alang-alang balik kampung... :) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com wrote: Sy pun standaby masuk dlm list.. p/s: yahoo.. blh blk kmpg skali daa... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton)http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhamad Hisyam Bin Nasir (LowKey) http://blog.lowkey.net.my/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/lowkey Key Fingerprint: C5F1 31DD 70E7 2293 4BAE 465C BE47 F7FB D760 EC84 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
