Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
2011/3/14 cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com: tu dia...macam tu pun boleh mati. kalo macam sispol (www.sispol.edu.my) kami guna sistem online ini untuk daerah batang padang,perak. Apa taknya, kalau ada 1000 orang pelajar maknanya 1000 kali hit db. Yang sepatutnya kena hit db sekali (ataupun 2) utk dapatkan maklumat 1000 pelajar dan kemudian terus buat processing in-memory. Apapun, ni semua sekadar cakap2 kosong dan tak bererti apa-apa kalau tidak ada code. Omputih kata shooting in the dark (betulkan kalau peribahasa salah). Tak tau pun apa masalah sebenar tapi terus nak 'jump to the solution ?' Kenapa tidak bermula dengan membuka code sistem tersebut kepada umum ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Kene check owner of the system la, bak kata org kampung aku ;) Who is the owner? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:05:50 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE 2011/3/14 cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com: tu dia...macam tu pun boleh mati. kalo macam sispol (www.sispol.edu.my) kami guna sistem online ini untuk daerah batang padang,perak. Apa taknya, kalau ada 1000 orang pelajar maknanya 1000 kali hit db. Yang sepatutnya kena hit db sekali (ataupun 2) utk dapatkan maklumat 1000 pelajar dan kemudian terus buat processing in-memory. Apapun, ni semua sekadar cakap2 kosong dan tak bererti apa-apa kalau tidak ada code. Omputih kata shooting in the dark (betulkan kalau peribahasa salah). Tak tau pun apa masalah sebenar tapi terus nak 'jump to the solution ?' Kenapa tidak bermula dengan membuka code sistem tersebut kepada umum ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
xleh ke kalo park server kat skolah jer?sbb yang nak gune besenyer skolah kan?so sume kene markah key-in kat skolah je la.n then maybe lam sehari skali,akan upload data sql tu ke main DB.tp maybe akan ade clash management kot. 2011/3/14 ta...@sabily.my: Kene check owner of the system la, bak kata org kampung aku ;) Who is the owner? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:05:50 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE 2011/3/14 cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com: tu dia...macam tu pun boleh mati. kalo macam sispol (www.sispol.edu.my) kami guna sistem online ini untuk daerah batang padang,perak. Apa taknya, kalau ada 1000 orang pelajar maknanya 1000 kali hit db. Yang sepatutnya kena hit db sekali (ataupun 2) utk dapatkan maklumat 1000 pelajar dan kemudian terus buat processing in-memory. Apapun, ni semua sekadar cakap2 kosong dan tak bererti apa-apa kalau tidak ada code. Omputih kata shooting in the dark (betulkan kalau peribahasa salah). Tak tau pun apa masalah sebenar tapi terus nak 'jump to the solution ?' Kenapa tidak bermula dengan membuka code sistem tersebut kepada umum ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Saya rasa saya pernah pergi tender briefing oracle kat MOE, tengah tahun lepas.. Tapi tak ingat pulak untuk projek apa sebab tak masuk tender tu. Projek tu dah award dah? 2011/3/13 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com jap,sblm nie pki db ape?mysql n postgresql pn ok gak...rasenye la..huhu 2011/3/13 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org: kalau oracle boleh buat, postgres pun boleh. Sekadar pandangan peribadi On 03/13/2011 09:15 PM, cikgu ayob wrote: link web : http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=552#more-552 SisPA akan beralih engine ke Oracle ! Yep… nie le kisahnya apabila Group Budak SisPA kena ngadap NKRA di Putrajaya minggu lepas. Perubahan nie terpaksa dilakukan setelah menjalankan Strees Test terhadap Dbase SisPA yang digunapakai sekarang. Time Spent [ms] Error apabila klik user mencecah 200+ ke atas di bahagian Edit Markah Pelajar. Huhu… jangan le marah bang. Aku tahu, ramai Penyelaras Peperiksaan Peringkat Sekolah hangin semacam je bila terpaksa tunggu 8-10 jam masa submit markah untuk 1 kelas hehe…!! Apa boleh buat, SisPA asalnya untuk Perak, kini dah nak digunapakai di Peringkat Kebangsaan. Mak aih… lagi le power engine nak kena pakai. Jadi untuk atasi masalah yang ada, pihak KPM telah memperuntukkan Oracle sebagai Pangkalan Data khas buat SisPA. Desas desus dalam 4 juta jugak peruntukan yang disediakan untuk Oracle tu. Entah… Wallahualam..!! link ke sispa : http://saps.moe.gov.my/ Ini berkaitan dengan memasukkan markah secara online untuk ujian rasmi dan peperiksaan di sekolah. Selain itu, untuk mendapatkan analisis markah untuk kehendak pejabat pelajaran daerah dan jabatan pelajaran negeri. Untuk setakat ini, sispa diuji untuk negeri perak sahaja. Itupun..dah cukup mengecewakan.. Mohon...kawan2 mencadangkan...apa yang terbaik untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini.. Terima..kasih.. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- ./azim -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
SKALI?huhu.have bad experieance with them.maybe u should go to their DC at UPM serverfarm n decide urself...;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:09 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Was looking into the page, but the loading is slow, kinda make me doubt they can do it. could by the isp though On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
U should give a skali cloud a try I havent get any problem with my instance at singapore Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
You can try awanbee.com .its free btw ;) . Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2011, at 3:11 PM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: SKALI?huhu.have bad experieance with them.maybe u should go to their DC at UPM serverfarm n decide urself...;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:09 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Was looking into the page, but the loading is slow, kinda make me doubt they can do it. could by the isp though On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
awan bee and that is not the same thing... that is like a dropbox alternative. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Khairul Nadzmi betel...@gmail.com wrote: You can try awanbee.com .its free btw ;) . Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2011, at 3:11 PM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: SKALI?huhu.have bad experieance with them.maybe u should go to their DC at UPM serverfarm n decide urself...;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:09 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Was looking into the page, but the loading is slow, kinda make me doubt they can do it. could by the isp though On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:10 PM, mohd fenris mohdfen...@gmail.com wrote: U should give a skali cloud a try I havent get any problem with my instance at singapore Err, you mean their dc still in singapore ? I already have EC2 instance in SG and now ssh connection keep lagging out, that's why I'm looking for local provider to avoid 'going' to singapore. Would be nice to have an instance for a few days until streamyx connection to SG back as usual. My traceroute show the traffic go to HK first before coming back to SG -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Re: Skalicloud - Is it true ?
So in short, the thing is real ? Whether it's good or bad, we can decide it later .. ;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Salam, Mereka yg ada expertise dlm Oracle boleh guna Postgresql dgn mudah krn kebanyakkan SQL stmt mirip saja. Perbezaan antara dua-dua sedikit sahaja. In my experience, Postgresql consultants can be obtained for under RM 2K a day for short term work and even cheaper for longer term work. For me, at end of the day, its a question of what you need and how much you want to save. Regards Jacob On Mar 14, 12:24 pm, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: A friend message, he try to get costing for Oracle consultant for tunning and maintenance. Its will cost him around 50K for 14 days work. Thats not include mileage and others cost. Cost per day around RM3200 Costing for MySQL and Postgres consultant anyone know? 2011/3/14 E A Faisal eafai...@gmail.com: Lazy query vs greedy query perhaps. People in FOSS are usually lazy, hence make use of lazy query. Vendors are usually greedy and hence make use of greedy query :) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
The webpage is not available lah tuan .. Br nak cuba .. What happen? Itu awanbee tidur waktu petang kah .. Ahaksss Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: Khairul Nadzmi betel...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:21:56 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.comosdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ? You can try awanbee.com .its free btw ;) . Sent from my iPhone On 14/03/2011, at 3:11 PM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: SKALI?huhu.have bad experieance with them.maybe u should go to their DC at UPM serverfarm n decide urself...;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:09 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Was looking into the page, but the loading is slow, kinda make me doubt they can do it. could by the isp though On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
tu dia...byk yang reply.. bersyukur..ramai yang berminat...memberi pandangan.. ini,,,senarai group sistem tersebut.. 1 JPN 1 Sistem Kru Pembangunan Sistem : Mohammad Ishak Bin Mohammad Penolong Pengarah ICT dan Pengkomputeran Sektor Pengurusan Akademik Abd. Rashid Bin Haji Shafie Penolong Pengarah (Pengurusan Maklumat) Sektor Teknologi Maklumat dan Komunikasi (ICT) Siti Suriana Bt. Haji Awang Penolong Pegawai Teknologi Maklumat Kanan Sektor Teknologi Maklumat dan Komunikasi (ICT) Mohd Shukri Bin Abdullah Pegawai Khas Maklumat ICT Pejabat Pelajaran Daerah Batang Padang, Perak. Saharudin Bin Abdullah SMK Chenderiang Rahim Bin Omar SMK Hamid Khan Suhairi Bin Shoib SMK Tengku Menteri. Macam mana pula...kalau digunakan 'cloud'...? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Mampu kah utk cloud? Nota: Sorry jika ada terguris hati .. Dengan soalan diatas .. Regards, e1 Sent from GreenBerry® Smartphone -Original Message- From: cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:47:45 To: OSDC.my Mailing Listosdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE tu dia...byk yang reply.. bersyukur..ramai yang berminat...memberi pandangan.. ini,,,senarai group sistem tersebut.. 1 JPN 1 Sistem Kru Pembangunan Sistem : Mohammad Ishak Bin Mohammad Penolong Pengarah ICT dan Pengkomputeran Sektor Pengurusan Akademik Abd. Rashid Bin Haji Shafie Penolong Pengarah (Pengurusan Maklumat) Sektor Teknologi Maklumat dan Komunikasi (ICT) Siti Suriana Bt. Haji Awang Penolong Pegawai Teknologi Maklumat Kanan Sektor Teknologi Maklumat dan Komunikasi (ICT) Mohd Shukri Bin Abdullah Pegawai Khas Maklumat ICT Pejabat Pelajaran Daerah Batang Padang, Perak. Saharudin Bin Abdullah SMK Chenderiang Rahim Bin Omar SMK Hamid Khan Suhairi Bin Shoib SMK Tengku Menteri. Macam mana pula...kalau digunakan 'cloud'...? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Kalau ada budget takpa cikgu ayob, guna Oracle, tapi still kene study and redesign table structure. Guna PostgreSQL, object-relational DB system. Very robust and stable database. Dah tu OSS lagi :) Cakap banyak pulak saya ye .. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:47:45 To: OSDC.my Mailing Listosdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE tu dia...byk yang reply.. bersyukur..ramai yang berminat...memberi pandangan.. ini,,,senarai group sistem tersebut.. 1 JPN 1 Sistem Kru Pembangunan Sistem : Mohammad Ishak Bin Mohammad Penolong Pengarah ICT dan Pengkomputeran Sektor Pengurusan Akademik Abd. Rashid Bin Haji Shafie Penolong Pengarah (Pengurusan Maklumat) Sektor Teknologi Maklumat dan Komunikasi (ICT) Siti Suriana Bt. Haji Awang Penolong Pegawai Teknologi Maklumat Kanan Sektor Teknologi Maklumat dan Komunikasi (ICT) Mohd Shukri Bin Abdullah Pegawai Khas Maklumat ICT Pejabat Pelajaran Daerah Batang Padang, Perak. Saharudin Bin Abdullah SMK Chenderiang Rahim Bin Omar SMK Hamid Khan Suhairi Bin Shoib SMK Tengku Menteri. Macam mana pula...kalau digunakan 'cloud'...? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Tahniah kerana ini merupakan juga satu kejayaan. Satu projek dapat perhatian Kementerian sehingga dapat budget perlu dihormati. Satu masalah untuk kita sebagai komuniti atasi. Kita tidak ada satu syarikat yang kuat untuk cadang dan laksanakan apa jua yang dicadangkan dalam mailing list ni. :( Tanpa melihat codes dan infra SisPA. Masalah boleh dikatakan timbul daripada aplikasi itu sendiri. Kod sudah betul apabila dibangunkan untuk tugasan tertentu dan kapasiti jangkaan. Namun apabila ia dibesarkan tugasan dan capaian, kodnya perlu review semula, malah perlu bina semula berdasarksn spesifikasi baru. Kesilapan saya lihat sering berlaku dalam pembangunan. Apabila aplikasi yang baik diketengahkan ke tahap kebangsaan maka telah dianggap boleh copy dan paste kepada server yang lebih besar dan network yang lagi besar. Satu kesilapan yang sering terjadi. Ia umpama, membina kereta kancil untuk bawa 4 orang (tahap Negeri) dan dengan tiba-tiba ia ditambah untuk kebangsaan, dengan kod masih umpama kereta kancil maka hendak bawa orang yang 14 kali ganda Muat ke? Untuk langkah sementara. 1) Kurangkan beban proses kepada web server dengan reverse proxy. Ini diharapkan dapat cache sesetengah page request. Cuba Nginx atau Vanish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy 2) Kurangkan beban proses PHP dengan gunakan PHP Accelerator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_accelerator Antaranya eaccelerator http://eaccelerator.net/ 3) Gunakan memcached PHP5 ada buildin support untuk memcached untuk sessions http://www.dotdeb.org/2008/08/25/storing-your-php-sessions-using-memcached/ Semua diatas hanya sementara. Mungkin ok dan mungkin tidak. perkara yang terbaik adalah rebuild balik perisian untuk menyokong memcached sebagai contoh dan sebaik gunakan Framework seperti cakephp. Sekian, terima kasih. Rujukan http://bakery.cakephp.org/articles/rynop/2010/09/10/using-memcached-to-run-your-sessions http://www.junauza.com/2011/03/relational-database-management-system.html 2011/3/13 cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com: link web : http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=552#more-552 SisPA akan beralih engine ke Oracle ! Yep… nie le kisahnya apabila Group Budak SisPA kena ngadap NKRA di Putrajaya minggu lepas. Perubahan nie terpaksa dilakukan setelah menjalankan Strees Test terhadap Dbase SisPA yang digunapakai sekarang. Time Spent [ms] Error apabila klik user mencecah 200+ ke atas di bahagian Edit Markah Pelajar. Huhu… jangan le marah bang. Aku tahu, ramai Penyelaras Peperiksaan Peringkat Sekolah hangin semacam je bila terpaksa tunggu 8-10 jam masa submit markah untuk 1 kelas hehe…!! Apa boleh buat, SisPA asalnya untuk Perak, kini dah nak digunapakai di Peringkat Kebangsaan. Mak aih… lagi le power engine nak kena pakai. Jadi untuk atasi masalah yang ada, pihak KPM telah memperuntukkan Oracle sebagai Pangkalan Data khas buat SisPA. Desas desus dalam 4 juta jugak peruntukan yang disediakan untuk Oracle tu. Entah… Wallahualam..!! link ke sispa : http://saps.moe.gov.my/ Ini berkaitan dengan memasukkan markah secara online untuk ujian rasmi dan peperiksaan di sekolah. Selain itu, untuk mendapatkan analisis markah untuk kehendak pejabat pelajaran daerah dan jabatan pelajaran negeri. Untuk setakat ini, sispa diuji untuk negeri perak sahaja. Itupun..dah cukup mengecewakan.. Mohon...kawan2 mencadangkan...apa yang terbaik untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini.. Terima..kasih.. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Invitation to view mscmalaysiaosc2009's Picasa Web Album - 1-6-2009 Launch Of OSDC.my Global Community Linkage Night With Tun M
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Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
OSDC.my tak boleh approach ke peringkat Kementerian ke Tuan Haris. Kalau ada badan OSCC mungkin boleh bantu. Saya suka kolaborasi yang wujud diantara OSCC dan Badan Kerajaan. Jika idea tersebut dapat dikembangkan, mungkin masalah yang diutarakan oleh Cikgu Ayob boleh dibantu. Kadangkala nak study sesuatu perkara baru memerlukan masa. Dan masa (time) is equal to many, sedangkan pengguna sedang menggunakan sistem tersebut. Bila dalam keadaan begini, budget dah ada, outsource memang perlu. Tapi amat malang kalau syarikat yang diaward dapat laksanakan dengan baik. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:37:12 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Tahniah kerana ini merupakan juga satu kejayaan. Satu projek dapat perhatian Kementerian sehingga dapat budget perlu dihormati. Satu masalah untuk kita sebagai komuniti atasi. Kita tidak ada satu syarikat yang kuat untuk cadang dan laksanakan apa jua yang dicadangkan dalam mailing list ni. :( Tanpa melihat codes dan infra SisPA. Masalah boleh dikatakan timbul daripada aplikasi itu sendiri. Kod sudah betul apabila dibangunkan untuk tugasan tertentu dan kapasiti jangkaan. Namun apabila ia dibesarkan tugasan dan capaian, kodnya perlu review semula, malah perlu bina semula berdasarksn spesifikasi baru. Kesilapan saya lihat sering berlaku dalam pembangunan. Apabila aplikasi yang baik diketengahkan ke tahap kebangsaan maka telah dianggap boleh copy dan paste kepada server yang lebih besar dan network yang lagi besar. Satu kesilapan yang sering terjadi. Ia umpama, membina kereta kancil untuk bawa 4 orang (tahap Negeri) dan dengan tiba-tiba ia ditambah untuk kebangsaan, dengan kod masih umpama kereta kancil maka hendak bawa orang yang 14 kali ganda Muat ke? Untuk langkah sementara. 1) Kurangkan beban proses kepada web server dengan reverse proxy. Ini diharapkan dapat cache sesetengah page request. Cuba Nginx atau Vanish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy 2) Kurangkan beban proses PHP dengan gunakan PHP Accelerator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_accelerator Antaranya eaccelerator http://eaccelerator.net/ 3) Gunakan memcached PHP5 ada buildin support untuk memcached untuk sessions http://www.dotdeb.org/2008/08/25/storing-your-php-sessions-using-memcached/ Semua diatas hanya sementara. Mungkin ok dan mungkin tidak. perkara yang terbaik adalah rebuild balik perisian untuk menyokong memcached sebagai contoh dan sebaik gunakan Framework seperti cakephp. Sekian, terima kasih. Rujukan http://bakery.cakephp.org/articles/rynop/2010/09/10/using-memcached-to-run-your-sessions http://www.junauza.com/2011/03/relational-database-management-system.html 2011/3/13 cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com: link web : http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=552#more-552 SisPA akan beralih engine ke Oracle ! Yep… nie le kisahnya apabila Group Budak SisPA kena ngadap NKRA di Putrajaya minggu lepas. Perubahan nie terpaksa dilakukan setelah menjalankan Strees Test terhadap Dbase SisPA yang digunapakai sekarang. Time Spent [ms] Error apabila klik user mencecah 200+ ke atas di bahagian Edit Markah Pelajar. Huhu… jangan le marah bang. Aku tahu, ramai Penyelaras Peperiksaan Peringkat Sekolah hangin semacam je bila terpaksa tunggu 8-10 jam masa submit markah untuk 1 kelas hehe…!! Apa boleh buat, SisPA asalnya untuk Perak, kini dah nak digunapakai di Peringkat Kebangsaan. Mak aih… lagi le power engine nak kena pakai. Jadi untuk atasi masalah yang ada, pihak KPM telah memperuntukkan Oracle sebagai Pangkalan Data khas buat SisPA. Desas desus dalam 4 juta jugak peruntukan yang disediakan untuk Oracle tu. Entah… Wallahualam..!! link ke sispa : http://saps.moe.gov.my/ Ini berkaitan dengan memasukkan markah secara online untuk ujian rasmi dan peperiksaan di sekolah. Selain itu, untuk mendapatkan analisis markah untuk kehendak pejabat pelajaran daerah dan jabatan pelajaran negeri. Untuk setakat ini, sispa diuji untuk negeri perak sahaja. Itupun..dah cukup mengecewakan.. Mohon...kawan2 mencadangkan...apa yang terbaik untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini.. Terima..kasih.. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
if you ask any ict personnel from the govt agencies involved in the mps project (especially kpkt), you would be having second thots. but do give it a try and test first. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:11 PM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.comwrote: SKALI?huhu.have bad experieance with them.maybe u should go to their DC at UPM serverfarm n decide urself...;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:09 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Was looking into the page, but the loading is slow, kinda make me doubt they can do it. could by the isp though On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote: Connection to AWS Apac (Singapore) quite bad since yesterday and I've been suffering typing on my console for hours. While waiting to setup new local dev so I can continue with my work, something pop out of my mind - is there malaysia cloud provider ? Google gave me this:- http://www.skalicloud.com/ A bit tempting to try it out but afraid it just a scam to get my mobile number so better ask first ? Anybody know about this ? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
Bila dengan kerajaan, jangan menokah arus. Nanti kita disisihkan. OSCC is a success failure. We can get around 6000 pegawai ICT kerajaan to know and understand OSS but what about around 800,000 more in Govt. Its harder when OSS is more to ICT then to administration. As simple as what is operating system... If you can get ordinary users to understand OS then good. Easier for us to push Desktop into Schools or govt agencies. What about telling them to use open standard? Hmm had done the implementation and sudah kena macam-macam. Its not as easy as talk about it or gunakan arahan rasmi - tak jalan pun. Bila users tak nak, tak jalanlah apa pun usaha OSS. Thats 800,000 is the users. And 6000 of our ICT officers need to support them... pening tak? Users perspective need to be change. How? Tell me? If anyone have the solution. Another problem We have to know and we have to deal. In order to get OSS implementation into Govt we need to approach individually each of agencies in Kerajaan Malaysia. Its around 1000 Federal Agencies and thats not includes states agencies and Sabah and Sarawak agencies. For 5 years OSCC had done that. Gets as many agencies that will send pegawai for OSS seminar or workshop. Just telling them about Open Source philosophy will work? Hmmm done that Tak jalan pun... So, give me the numbers. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
The system and workflow of this type of solution is used for EMIS http://emisportal.moe.gov.my/ I believe our cikgu-cikgu tahu perkara ini. Panggilan Guru Data Maklumat :) Asalnya ia adalah perisian MS Access dimana kemas kini data sekolah dilakukan offline disetiap sekolah. Kemudiannya data dihantar ke PPD dan JPN negeri melalui disket dan kemudian CD dan USB atau FTP masuk ke server. but now its online web Sejajar dengan perkembangan teknologi komunikasi dan maklumat semasa, aplikasi SMPP/EMIS-MAP yang menggunakan platform MS Access telah dipertingkatkan menjadi sebuah aplikasi yang berdasarkan web iaitu EMIS Online. Tidak silap saya (jika salah sila betulkan), aplikasi asas dibuat oleh vendor dengan TOT dilakukan kepada pegawai-pegawai dalam BPPDP. Kemudian diteruskan oleh mereka. 2011/3/14 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com: i believe that darxness have the better approach to the problem. since oss can be implemented at zero license cost for 1, or 2 or 11,000 sites. then you can implement the system locally at all schools, this avoids the problem of connectivity. and all the teachers can be happily using the system from the local network at 100mb / 1gb speed ;-) then you create a simple script to push the data from the schools to a central server for consolidation and put a proper business intelligence application to do the reporting and analytics. you should also create an app repo. so that you can quickly distribute the latest version to the schools. the idea may not be canggih, but i am confident you will have more happier teachers, then putting it on the cloud and still the school internet access sucks. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
@ApOgEE, I kinda agree with u... Anyway, this also reminds me of 1 of my friend who over extreme about Ubuntu. As you all know, usually when ppl buy shared hosting accounts, they will looks for cPanel at the 1st requirement. As a hosting provider, to install cPanel, I have to use CentOS (although it can also install in Fedora, RHEL or FreeBSD). As you all know, cPanel can't run in Debian/Ubuntu. Guess what, that friend of mine, thought that he is smarter than my 4 years of hosting experience and asked me to use Ubuntu for all my servers, and asked me to convert all my servers that is running other distro to Ubuntu!!?? When I told him that cPanel only runs on redhat family, and guess what he said? He said just give the customers ftp access and mysql account, if they refuse to accept it, ask them find other hosting provider... I wonder if he start a web hosting company, how long his hosting business can sustain... Anyway, it is ok to run Debian/Ubuntu if I am providing DirectAdmin accounts. In fact, I do sell DirectAdmin accounts which hosted on Debian servers. But hey, asking me to totally convert my whole infra to Ubuntu just bcoz he supports Ubuntu, that is too extreme and idiotic!! Anyway, I hope I did not offend any of the extreme Ubuntu supporters. I am just voicing out my opinion and my experience on people who are over extreme on certain distro and ignore the necessity... -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
Well, skali is quite a reputable company, so it is not a scam. You will get the product if you pay them. While about the quality... erm you judge it yourself... Anyway, myself also plan to provide cloud hosting too. About the price... I dun think anyone of you will like the price... Muahahaha -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
@Harisfazillah I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs done nicely. Since you Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at there. Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until == cat /proc/loadavg == 150.00 80.00 70.00 == WAH!!! If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon... -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
ru igt nak apply masuk OSCC.hahahaha On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: @Harisfazillah I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs done nicely. Since you Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at there. Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until == cat /proc/loadavg == 150.00 80.00 70.00 == WAH!!! If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon... -- GarfieldWTF Debian User Community (Malaysia) http://debmal.my - CS Squad VPS Hosting -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
+100 dgn jln cite ni.. paham sgt3 he3.. apa pun try la buat design baru utk 14 org tu.. like avanza ke apa ke.. ha3 p/s: saja mencelah.. xbrapa pndai bab networking :P Pada 14 Mac 2011 5:37 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.commenulis: Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Tahniah kerana ini merupakan juga satu kejayaan. Satu projek dapat perhatian Kementerian sehingga dapat budget perlu dihormati. Satu masalah untuk kita sebagai komuniti atasi. Kita tidak ada satu syarikat yang kuat untuk cadang dan laksanakan apa jua yang dicadangkan dalam mailing list ni. :( Tanpa melihat codes dan infra SisPA. Masalah boleh dikatakan timbul daripada aplikasi itu sendiri. Kod sudah betul apabila dibangunkan untuk tugasan tertentu dan kapasiti jangkaan. Namun apabila ia dibesarkan tugasan dan capaian, kodnya perlu review semula, malah perlu bina semula berdasarksn spesifikasi baru. Kesilapan saya lihat sering berlaku dalam pembangunan. Apabila aplikasi yang baik diketengahkan ke tahap kebangsaan maka telah dianggap boleh copy dan paste kepada server yang lebih besar dan network yang lagi besar. Satu kesilapan yang sering terjadi. Ia umpama, membina kereta kancil untuk bawa 4 orang (tahap Negeri) dan dengan tiba-tiba ia ditambah untuk kebangsaan, dengan kod masih umpama kereta kancil maka hendak bawa orang yang 14 kali ganda Muat ke? Untuk langkah sementara. 1) Kurangkan beban proses kepada web server dengan reverse proxy. Ini diharapkan dapat cache sesetengah page request. Cuba Nginx atau Vanish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy 2) Kurangkan beban proses PHP dengan gunakan PHP Accelerator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_accelerator Antaranya eaccelerator http://eaccelerator.net/ 3) Gunakan memcached PHP5 ada buildin support untuk memcached untuk sessions http://www.dotdeb.org/2008/08/25/storing-your-php-sessions-using-memcached/ Semua diatas hanya sementara. Mungkin ok dan mungkin tidak. perkara yang terbaik adalah rebuild balik perisian untuk menyokong memcached sebagai contoh dan sebaik gunakan Framework seperti cakephp. Sekian, terima kasih. Rujukan http://bakery.cakephp.org/articles/rynop/2010/09/10/using-memcached-to-run-your-sessions http://www.junauza.com/2011/03/relational-database-management-system.html 2011/3/13 cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com: link web : http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=552#more-552 SisPA akan beralih engine ke Oracle ! Yep… nie le kisahnya apabila Group Budak SisPA kena ngadap NKRA di Putrajaya minggu lepas. Perubahan nie terpaksa dilakukan setelah menjalankan Strees Test terhadap Dbase SisPA yang digunapakai sekarang. Time Spent [ms] Error apabila klik user mencecah 200+ ke atas di bahagian Edit Markah Pelajar. Huhu… jangan le marah bang. Aku tahu, ramai Penyelaras Peperiksaan Peringkat Sekolah hangin semacam je bila terpaksa tunggu 8-10 jam masa submit markah untuk 1 kelas hehe…!! Apa boleh buat, SisPA asalnya untuk Perak, kini dah nak digunapakai di Peringkat Kebangsaan. Mak aih… lagi le power engine nak kena pakai. Jadi untuk atasi masalah yang ada, pihak KPM telah memperuntukkan Oracle sebagai Pangkalan Data khas buat SisPA. Desas desus dalam 4 juta jugak peruntukan yang disediakan untuk Oracle tu. Entah… Wallahualam..!! link ke sispa : http://saps.moe.gov.my/ Ini berkaitan dengan memasukkan markah secara online untuk ujian rasmi dan peperiksaan di sekolah. Selain itu, untuk mendapatkan analisis markah untuk kehendak pejabat pelajaran daerah dan jabatan pelajaran negeri. Untuk setakat ini, sispa diuji untuk negeri perak sahaja. Itupun..dah cukup mengecewakan.. Mohon...kawan2 mencadangkan...apa yang terbaik untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini.. Terima..kasih.. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Emis adalah contoh sistem yang berjaya di dalam kementerian pelajaran. Very slow moving, actually bukan slow tapi dibangunkan fasa demi fasa tanpa meninggalkan sebarang keperluan setiap sekolah. Kini sistem ini online sepenuhnya, dan apabila sistem HRMIS muncul, menjadi satu konflik kepada KPM, memandangkan sistem ini berfungsi sangat baik, manakala HRMIS tidak. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:25:19 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE The system and workflow of this type of solution is used for EMIS http://emisportal.moe.gov.my/ I believe our cikgu-cikgu tahu perkara ini. Panggilan Guru Data Maklumat :) Asalnya ia adalah perisian MS Access dimana kemas kini data sekolah dilakukan offline disetiap sekolah. Kemudiannya data dihantar ke PPD dan JPN negeri melalui disket dan kemudian CD dan USB atau FTP masuk ke server. but now its online web Sejajar dengan perkembangan teknologi komunikasi dan maklumat semasa, aplikasi SMPP/EMIS-MAP yang menggunakan platform MS Access telah dipertingkatkan menjadi sebuah aplikasi yang berdasarkan web iaitu EMIS Online. Tidak silap saya (jika salah sila betulkan), aplikasi asas dibuat oleh vendor dengan TOT dilakukan kepada pegawai-pegawai dalam BPPDP. Kemudian diteruskan oleh mereka. 2011/3/14 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com: i believe that darxness have the better approach to the problem. since oss can be implemented at zero license cost for 1, or 2 or 11,000 sites. then you can implement the system locally at all schools, this avoids the problem of connectivity. and all the teachers can be happily using the system from the local network at 100mb / 1gb speed ;-) then you create a simple script to push the data from the schools to a central server for consolidation and put a proper business intelligence application to do the reporting and analytics. you should also create an app repo. so that you can quickly distribute the latest version to the schools. the idea may not be canggih, but i am confident you will have more happier teachers, then putting it on the cloud and still the school internet access sucks. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
Ko ni terlalu merendah diri bro!! ;) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:03:10 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE +100 dgn jln cite ni.. paham sgt3 he3.. apa pun try la buat design baru utk 14 org tu.. like avanza ke apa ke.. ha3 p/s: saja mencelah.. xbrapa pndai bab networking :P Pada 14 Mac 2011 5:37 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.commenulis: Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Tahniah kerana ini merupakan juga satu kejayaan. Satu projek dapat perhatian Kementerian sehingga dapat budget perlu dihormati. Satu masalah untuk kita sebagai komuniti atasi. Kita tidak ada satu syarikat yang kuat untuk cadang dan laksanakan apa jua yang dicadangkan dalam mailing list ni. :( Tanpa melihat codes dan infra SisPA. Masalah boleh dikatakan timbul daripada aplikasi itu sendiri. Kod sudah betul apabila dibangunkan untuk tugasan tertentu dan kapasiti jangkaan. Namun apabila ia dibesarkan tugasan dan capaian, kodnya perlu review semula, malah perlu bina semula berdasarksn spesifikasi baru. Kesilapan saya lihat sering berlaku dalam pembangunan. Apabila aplikasi yang baik diketengahkan ke tahap kebangsaan maka telah dianggap boleh copy dan paste kepada server yang lebih besar dan network yang lagi besar. Satu kesilapan yang sering terjadi. Ia umpama, membina kereta kancil untuk bawa 4 orang (tahap Negeri) dan dengan tiba-tiba ia ditambah untuk kebangsaan, dengan kod masih umpama kereta kancil maka hendak bawa orang yang 14 kali ganda Muat ke? Untuk langkah sementara. 1) Kurangkan beban proses kepada web server dengan reverse proxy. Ini diharapkan dapat cache sesetengah page request. Cuba Nginx atau Vanish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy 2) Kurangkan beban proses PHP dengan gunakan PHP Accelerator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_accelerator Antaranya eaccelerator http://eaccelerator.net/ 3) Gunakan memcached PHP5 ada buildin support untuk memcached untuk sessions http://www.dotdeb.org/2008/08/25/storing-your-php-sessions-using-memcached/ Semua diatas hanya sementara. Mungkin ok dan mungkin tidak. perkara yang terbaik adalah rebuild balik perisian untuk menyokong memcached sebagai contoh dan sebaik gunakan Framework seperti cakephp. Sekian, terima kasih. Rujukan http://bakery.cakephp.org/articles/rynop/2010/09/10/using-memcached-to-run-your-sessions http://www.junauza.com/2011/03/relational-database-management-system.html 2011/3/13 cikgu ayob ayob.alham...@gmail.com: link web : http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=552#more-552 SisPA akan beralih engine ke Oracle ! Yep… nie le kisahnya apabila Group Budak SisPA kena ngadap NKRA di Putrajaya minggu lepas. Perubahan nie terpaksa dilakukan setelah menjalankan Strees Test terhadap Dbase SisPA yang digunapakai sekarang. Time Spent [ms] Error apabila klik user mencecah 200+ ke atas di bahagian Edit Markah Pelajar. Huhu… jangan le marah bang. Aku tahu, ramai Penyelaras Peperiksaan Peringkat Sekolah hangin semacam je bila terpaksa tunggu 8-10 jam masa submit markah untuk 1 kelas hehe…!! Apa boleh buat, SisPA asalnya untuk Perak, kini dah nak digunapakai di Peringkat Kebangsaan. Mak aih… lagi le power engine nak kena pakai. Jadi untuk atasi masalah yang ada, pihak KPM telah memperuntukkan Oracle sebagai Pangkalan Data khas buat SisPA. Desas desus dalam 4 juta jugak peruntukan yang disediakan untuk Oracle tu. Entah… Wallahualam..!! link ke sispa : http://saps.moe.gov.my/ Ini berkaitan dengan memasukkan markah secara online untuk ujian rasmi dan peperiksaan di sekolah. Selain itu, untuk mendapatkan analisis markah untuk kehendak pejabat pelajaran daerah dan jabatan pelajaran negeri. Untuk setakat ini, sispa diuji untuk negeri perak sahaja. Itupun..dah cukup mengecewakan.. Mohon...kawan2 mencadangkan...apa yang terbaik untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini.. Terima..kasih.. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio
Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?
Global Transit has direct peering with providers in SG. Maybe you can try to discuss with your respective ISPs to swing the route thru Global Transit...maybe even better, go direct with Global Transit :) Regards, AZMI Salim www.globaltransit.net On 14 March 2011 18:44, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: Well, skali is quite a reputable company, so it is not a scam. You will get the product if you pay them. While about the quality... erm you judge it yourself... Anyway, myself also plan to provide cloud hosting too. About the price... I dun think anyone of you will like the price... Muahahaha -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- *** Together Protecting The Future Environment ** Please consider reading this email on-screen rather than printing. Should situation unavoidable, use recycled-paper. Plant More Trees. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
I have postgresql experience. Current project involves postgresql. Also if there is a need to convert Oracle to PostgreSQL, we can use EnterpriseDB tools. Please contact me if you need my help. Tq, Ram -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Salam n good day Years as an ICT personnel before never put some firm reason for me to be involved in open source development, support open source group etc because using open source or not, I still can finish my study / work.. doesn't bother with RM300++ for windows or other proprietary software. Personally I use windows because I played games, photo n video editing n such. But, things had change when I was entitled as 'orang gomen'. Being in government sector really open my eyes to the expenditure of each penny of tax payer money or malaysian should say 'duit rakyat'. Something that we already took for granted as 'duit kerajaan' and without thinking, something normally cost about RM4 could be charge RM6 because the 'government is paying'. But, try to think it very hard. All the tax payers money, in economically bad scenario such as today, should spend wisely on higher priority area. And as from my humble opinion, paying RM4 millions to buy a proprietary system is not worth it for malaysian as we can build the system ourselves. And so, the RM4 mil can go to other sector such as health care, medicine, better roads, education etc... As a system developer in government sector urges me to use open source, built system with lower cost and find solutions for each and every problem arose during implementation so that each penny saved from my effort could go to even more significant sector. For that reason, I never emphasize on OS comparison, which is better and which is not. It is about what we should do and put our effort on. IMHO, Using open source is the best for government as we could saved millions ringgit of duit rakyat just by develop our own system using open source. the RM 4500.00 server is running on linux, web on apache, db on mysql, language is php n javascript. my salary is less than RM40K/year and all that is very far from RM200 k spent for license n maintenance each year if we bought the system Rasulullah s.a.w. bersabda yang bermaksud: Orang Mukmin yang paling sempurna imannya ialah yang paling baik akhlaknya. (Hadith Riwayat Ahmad). On 14 March 2011 12:35, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.comwrote: +1 too ;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:36 AM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: Nicely said Mr Fauzi, +1 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com wrote: For me, computer is just a tool to do my work. I don't really bother whether the OS is Open Source or proprietary. I use them all for certain work that they specialize in. For example, if I wanna do VB or VB script to solve my customer problem in windows, I will boot my windows and do the development and testing there. If I wanna do C or any linux or embedded linux work I will boot to my Linux and do my work there. And if I wanna do Graphic Design for printing, I will rather use Mac with the tools installed in it and finish my work there. There are a lot of reasons why I choose certain Operating System for certain situation to do certain work. It's like when you are choosing hammer, to hammer the nail in a wood. You may also use other things like stone, iron, or any thing near you to hammer it. But, when you are professional in such work, you may choose to use proper tools for proper work. Anyway, it is up to you to decide how you are going to finish your work. Isn't that the freedom we are searching for? My point is, keep it simple. Don't blame your torch light because it is not bright enough for your big room. Just call an electrician to fix a room light for you, turn on the room light and your room will be bright. Unless you are a developer or scientist who tried to develop a brightest torch light, you will try your best to find the solutions for what you develop. And when you have successfully develop them, share your solution to the others for the spirit of open source. OS and distro wars are endless and useless. If you don't like it, do not use it. If you think Mac is expensive, don't buy it. And if you encounter trouble while using any OS, develop a solution for it if you can, and share your solution if you like. Otherwise, you may also sell your solutions. Maybe someone will find your solution worth to buy. Please don't blame me for not choosing the same OS as you do. Please don't blame other people for choosing Microsoft Excel instead of OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet to do their work. They have money to buy whatever they like. Awareness is just to make people aware that there is alternatives to what they can use to solve their work. There is no obligation. Not even government could make that policy to only use 'that apps' for 'that works'. It is not a mentality issue if people choose Toyota instead of Proton Saga. We all have our own experience for what we choose. Innovation will not die when there is no 'fake support' from local user. Just keep it going and improving to beat other innovations if you can. If FiMOS can beat Ubuntu, Red Hat,
Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE
erm.. apa cite pasal kes HRMIS.. dh xdenya skrg.. he3.. aritu kalut sgt pasal cite.. ke sy yg alpa smpai xtau cite.. :P[?] 2011/3/14 ta...@sabily.my Emis adalah contoh sistem yang berjaya di dalam kementerian pelajaran. Very slow moving, actually bukan slow tapi dibangunkan fasa demi fasa tanpa meninggalkan sebarang keperluan setiap sekolah. Kini sistem ini online sepenuhnya, dan apabila sistem HRMIS muncul, menjadi satu konflik kepada KPM, memandangkan sistem ini berfungsi sangat baik, manakala HRMIS tidak. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:25:19 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE The system and workflow of this type of solution is used for EMIS http://emisportal.moe.gov.my/ I believe our cikgu-cikgu tahu perkara ini. Panggilan Guru Data Maklumat :) Asalnya ia adalah perisian MS Access dimana kemas kini data sekolah dilakukan offline disetiap sekolah. Kemudiannya data dihantar ke PPD dan JPN negeri melalui disket dan kemudian CD dan USB atau FTP masuk ke server. but now its online web Sejajar dengan perkembangan teknologi komunikasi dan maklumat semasa, aplikasi SMPP/EMIS-MAP yang menggunakan platform MS Access telah dipertingkatkan menjadi sebuah aplikasi yang berdasarkan web iaitu EMIS Online. Tidak silap saya (jika salah sila betulkan), aplikasi asas dibuat oleh vendor dengan TOT dilakukan kepada pegawai-pegawai dalam BPPDP. Kemudian diteruskan oleh mereka. 2011/3/14 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com: i believe that darxness have the better approach to the problem. since oss can be implemented at zero license cost for 1, or 2 or 11,000 sites. then you can implement the system locally at all schools, this avoids the problem of connectivity. and all the teachers can be happily using the system from the local network at 100mb / 1gb speed ;-) then you create a simple script to push the data from the schools to a central server for consolidation and put a proper business intelligence application to do the reporting and analytics. you should also create an app repo. so that you can quickly distribute the latest version to the schools. the idea may not be canggih, but i am confident you will have more happier teachers, then putting it on the cloud and still the school internet access sucks. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- -- *Maui Sabily 2011* mauisab...@sabily.org *GPG KeyID*: DBDA3074 *GPG Fingerprint*: 3CCE D281 C894 4FB0 3D22 2141 75C6 E41F DBDA 3074 Soire Meira 2008 - 2011 EascobaNET, Inc 2006 - 2010 Ch0kL@Thack 2002 PaleoY2K 1998 - 2000 http://www.sabily.my http://www.sabily-my.tk Developer: Sabily NetBook Remix 10.10 Al-Qudshttp://mirror.spanasia.net/pub/simpleLinux/Pub/sabily.my/SabilyNR.iso Sabily Zakat Calc 0.2-1 Beta (Debian) https://launchpad.net/zakat-calc Asmawi Office 0.1 Alpha (Webase Presentiton) http://www.asmawioffice.tk/ Soire TV Radio http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Windows Only - continue version on Linux) BrutuSamaDia http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Remote Desktop Penetration Testing) Mauiware.AYU.0.6 http://www.soire.webs.com/ (Virus Cleanner Get Back Hidden Files) Malicious of Dark Knight - Hack To Learn, Don't Learn To Hack -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 360.gif
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
ada button Like x? saya setuju point#2 utk rebranding mana-mana linux distro utk jadi nama LinuxMalaysia :) tuan haris dah trademark ke perkataan LinuxMalaysia tu? hehheheh :) regards, azmi 2011/3/13 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang dalam Distros. Sebagai contoh :- 1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it. Source codes sememang ada dimana. Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk download source codes RPM atau DEB. Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar 2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik trademark. Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS. Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan logo Ubuntu. Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan diminta dikeluarkan. Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah? 3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka. Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka. Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak untuk menuntut mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah lesen saya. Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu. Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan. Wassalam. Harisfazillah Jamel -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- *** Together Protecting The Future Environment ** Please consider reading this email on-screen rather than printing. Should situation unavoidable, use recycled-paper. Plant More Trees. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail
sorry, off topic skit. - I like Gmail coz ada conversation view yg boleh klik and scroll email in conversation view. - I am not a programmer nor that experienced on any specific programming language - How I wish Thunderbird or any OSS email client ada conversation view like Gmail. senang nak baca email :) My most humble intention here is to highlight one point: - people will use or even migrate to use something a bit more simple to use, they don't mind paying, even better if it is free to use. Case in point: Hotmail to Gmail, my own experience :) - Hotmail has been in business long before Gmail - Hotmail users migrated to Gmail due to HUGE theoretical space offerings (not that much actually, just setting the mindset to capture users - Hotmail users migrated to Gmail due to many user friendly tools like the conversation view, among others. Another case in point: Windows vs Mac - simple: ease of use although everyone knows Mac is super expensive and vendor locked much tighter (I call it a full ecosystem) than M$ Windows - I think people won't complaint too much if it is easy to use and worth their investment without too much of headache due to much little nitty gritty hassles such as the infamous Blue Screen of Death. That is what I can think of for now. Thank You. Regards, AZMI -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
+1 :) محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 2011/3/14 AZMI salim azm...@gmail.com ada button Like x? saya setuju point#2 utk rebranding mana-mana linux distro utk jadi nama LinuxMalaysia :) tuan haris dah trademark ke perkataan LinuxMalaysia tu? hehheheh :) regards, azmi 2011/3/13 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera, Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang dalam Distros. Sebagai contoh :- 1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it. Source codes sememang ada dimana. Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk download source codes RPM atau DEB. Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar 2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik trademark. Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS. Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan logo Ubuntu. Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan diminta dikeluarkan. Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah? 3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka. Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka. Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak untuk menuntut mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah lesen saya. Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu. Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan. Wassalam. Harisfazillah Jamel -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- *** Together Protecting The Future Environment ** Please consider reading this email on-screen rather than printing. Should situation unavoidable, use recycled-paper. Plant More Trees. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail
i love tooo On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.comwrote: Everybody love Google Product! :) Can integrate many thing to do. محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:39 AM, AZMI salim azm...@gmail.com wrote: sorry, off topic skit. - I like Gmail coz ada conversation view yg boleh klik and scroll email in conversation view. - I am not a programmer nor that experienced on any specific programming language - How I wish Thunderbird or any OSS email client ada conversation view like Gmail. senang nak baca email :) My most humble intention here is to highlight one point: - people will use or even migrate to use something a bit more simple to use, they don't mind paying, even better if it is free to use. Case in point: Hotmail to Gmail, my own experience :) - Hotmail has been in business long before Gmail - Hotmail users migrated to Gmail due to HUGE theoretical space offerings (not that much actually, just setting the mindset to capture users - Hotmail users migrated to Gmail due to many user friendly tools like the conversation view, among others. Another case in point: Windows vs Mac - simple: ease of use although everyone knows Mac is super expensive and vendor locked much tighter (I call it a full ecosystem) than M$ Windows - I think people won't complaint too much if it is easy to use and worth their investment without too much of headache due to much little nitty gritty hassles such as the infamous Blue Screen of Death. That is what I can think of for now. Thank You. Regards, AZMI -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- When there are Thousand of People go against you and only one at your side, trust me, I'm the one - akusaiful. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail
i love gmai.but some some reason.i dont like to use thunderbirf.hahaha.i mean,i import all my mail address,from company,my domain n personal into 1 gmail account.easy to read(?),rather than setting thunderbird to be like gmail.:p On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, saiful akusai...@gmail.com wrote: i love tooo On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody love Google Product! :) Can integrate many thing to do. محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:39 AM, AZMI salim azm...@gmail.com wrote: sorry, off topic skit. - I like Gmail coz ada conversation view yg boleh klik and scroll email in conversation view. - I am not a programmer nor that experienced on any specific programming language - How I wish Thunderbird or any OSS email client ada conversation view like Gmail. senang nak baca email :) My most humble intention here is to highlight one point: - people will use or even migrate to use something a bit more simple to use, they don't mind paying, even better if it is free to use. Case in point: Hotmail to Gmail, my own experience :) - Hotmail has been in business long before Gmail - Hotmail users migrated to Gmail due to HUGE theoretical space offerings (not that much actually, just setting the mindset to capture users - Hotmail users migrated to Gmail due to many user friendly tools like the conversation view, among others. Another case in point: Windows vs Mac - simple: ease of use although everyone knows Mac is super expensive and vendor locked much tighter (I call it a full ecosystem) than M$ Windows - I think people won't complaint too much if it is easy to use and worth their investment without too much of headache due to much little nitty gritty hassles such as the infamous Blue Screen of Death. That is what I can think of for now. Thank You. Regards, AZMI -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- When there are Thousand of People go against you and only one at your side, trust me, I'm the one - akusaiful. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail
On 03/15/2011 12:39 AM, AZMI salim wrote: sorry, off topic skit. - I like Gmail coz ada conversation view yg boleh klik and scroll email in conversation view. - I am not a programmer nor that experienced on any specific programming language - How I wish Thunderbird or any OSS email client ada conversation view like Gmail. senang nak baca email :) rasanya ada plugin thunderbird yang boleh simulate jadi ala-ala gmail (dah lupa nama plugin tu) paling ringkas boleh view dalam bentuk threaded macam browse archive mailing list. Klik je Click to display message threads kat sebelah ikon click to sort by star yang gambar bintang tu -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail
Ada addon tapi still beta (ke alpha? tak berapa ingat) Try cari Thunderbird Conversations //ha...@qedx.com On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org wrote: On 03/15/2011 12:39 AM, AZMI salim wrote: sorry, off topic skit. - I like Gmail coz ada conversation view yg boleh klik and scroll email in conversation view. - I am not a programmer nor that experienced on any specific programming language - How I wish Thunderbird or any OSS email client ada conversation view like Gmail. senang nak baca email :) rasanya ada plugin thunderbird yang boleh simulate jadi ala-ala gmail (dah lupa nama plugin tu) paling ringkas boleh view dalam bentuk threaded macam browse archive mailing list. Klik je Click to display message threads kat sebelah ikon click to sort by star yang gambar bintang tu -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail
Yeah!! I love Google! I love Gmail, Google Talk, Google Sites, Google Bookmarks, Google Reader, Google Documents, Google Calendar, Picasaweb, Blogger, Google Adsense, Youtube, Google Code, Feedburner, Analytics, Google Maps, Google Groups and Webmaster Tools. Email in Gmail is very outstanding. I don't have to think about my mailbox is gonna full. I keep all my email, company email, other domains email, in a single gmail which make it one stop web application to go to check and search all my email. I've forgot thunderbird, and the others. This is because, I can check my Gmail from my not-so-smart-phone, the content will be always there from any OS I boot on my multi-boot desktop (Windows, Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, Slackware, FreeBSD) and even from Mac. However not all Google product are outstanding to me. I don't use Orkut and Google Wave as much as I use Facebook. What ever it is, thank you very much to Google for providing free useful tools for me. I hope, if I have time and good resources, I can also contribute good services for all, like what Google did here. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Haris bin Ali ha...@qedx.com wrote: Ada addon tapi still beta (ke alpha? tak berapa ingat) Try cari Thunderbird Conversations //ha...@qedx.com On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org wrote: On 03/15/2011 12:39 AM, AZMI salim wrote: sorry, off topic skit. - I like Gmail coz ada conversation view yg boleh klik and scroll email in conversation view. - I am not a programmer nor that experienced on any specific programming language - How I wish Thunderbird or any OSS email client ada conversation view like Gmail. senang nak baca email :) rasanya ada plugin thunderbird yang boleh simulate jadi ala-ala gmail (dah lupa nama plugin tu) paling ringkas boleh view dalam bentuk threaded macam browse archive mailing list. Klik je Click to display message threads kat sebelah ikon click to sort by star yang gambar bintang tu -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Best Wishes, M. Fauzilkamil Zainuddin ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee - ApOgEE on LaunchPad http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
OSCC exists on paper only now. Eric On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: @Harisfazillah I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs done nicely. Since you Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at there. Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until == cat /proc/loadavg == 150.00 80.00 70.00 == WAH!!! If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon... -- GarfieldWTF Debian User Community (Malaysia) http://debmal.my - CS Squad VPS Hosting -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama. One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga ada fighter untuk OSS. Sorry, I have no number again.. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ? OSCC exists on paper only now. Eric On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: @Harisfazillah I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs done nicely. Since you Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at there. Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until == cat /proc/loadavg == 150.00 80.00 70.00 == WAH!!! If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon... -- GarfieldWTF Debian User Community (Malaysia) http://debmal.my - CS Squad VPS Hosting -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] New article: What the heck is FreeDOS?
Other than that, An OS that launches a new version every few months will make it less likely be a good candidate for everyday desktop. What people need is a stable OS, not something that get updated with new version every few months and break some of their existing software. If I run a company, I personally do not want to have my system admin to run around every few months to upgrade all the systems and then someone complains that the software they are using are now broken because of the upgrade due to an incompatible version of shared libraries (which is something very common). That is why there are paid for Enterprise Editions like SLED or RHEL. Similarly you have stuff like Ubuntu LTS, rolling distros like Gentoo, Arch or Debian. Eric -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Haris bin Ali ha...@qedx.com wrote: - *Antipiracy education has failed*.* *The authors find no significant stigma attached to piracy in any of the countries examined. Rather, piracy is part of the daily media practices of large and growing portions of the population. - *Changing the law is easy. Changing the practice is hard.*Industry lobbies have been very successful at changing laws to criminalize these practices, but largely unsuccessful at getting governments to apply them. There is, the authors argue, no realistic way to reconcile mass enforcement and due process, especially in countries with severely overburdened legal systems. These two points are related. The industry lobbies mentioned are employees of large media corporations paid to influence lawmakers on their behalf. This is the reason that they've been successful at changing laws, but they represent only the needs of their employers, not the needs of the general population. Lobbying has effectively become a sales and marketing tactic. The laws should reflect the needs of the people, not the needs of any particular company. Governments are also subject to the will of the people, not just the corporations or lobbyists. So, whenever they try to apply unjust laws they're met with strong opposition and fail. This is the reason that the industry lobby has been unsuccessful at getting governments to apply laws. As a result of the efforts by lobbyists and other agents of these corporations, the term piracy has been used to associate file sharing with a criminal act. But it's a lie. The lack of a stigma associated with piracy is a credit to the intelligence of the general population. They don't believe the negative propaganda disseminated by corporations... also known as FUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt ). Related Links: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other providers hated us. OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to provide FOSS programmes. To even up and to avoid to further antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to Grades F and FT only. You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I approved several such applications when I was there. Eric On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM, ta...@sabily.my wrote: Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama. One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga ada fighter untuk OSS. Sorry, I have no number again.. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ? OSCC exists on paper only now. Eric On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: @Harisfazillah I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs done nicely. Since you Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at there. Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload, until == cat /proc/loadavg == 150.00 80.00 70.00 == WAH!!! If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon... -- GarfieldWTF Debian User Community (Malaysia) http://debmal.my - CS Squad VPS Hosting -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS does not see Malaysia as a potential OSS hub or development area where compare to Singapore that is 10 times better than Malaysian. This I personally feel where bitching is more than the actual work. GOOD JOBS GUYS FOR MAKING MALAYSIA MALAYSIAN. where this remark is much my fault where all of you were right... kan? Don't see the point of promoting it anymore any longer where domestic community not even speaking the same lingo to each others. Congratulation people you have archive what you want... well done... rafe -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Huh? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS does not see Malaysia as a potential OSS hub or development area where compare to Singapore that is 10 times better than Malaysian. This I personally feel where bitching is more than the actual work. GOOD JOBS GUYS FOR MAKING MALAYSIA MALAYSIAN. where this remark is much my fault where all of you were right... kan? Don't see the point of promoting it anymore any longer where domestic community not even speaking the same lingo to each others. Congratulation people you have archive what you want... well done... rafe -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Criminals can’t compete with free. The study finds no systematic links between media piracy and organized crime or terrorism in any of the countries examined. Today, commercial pirates and transnational smugglers face the same dilemma as the legal industry: how to compete with free. This worry me. Free and OSS have two front to compete with. Legal and pirates will find ways that can be used against. OSS has some very strong benefits over legally licensed software. The way I see it, our only difficulty in this competition is how to make people aware of the benefits effectively, and without the aid of a marketing department. I'm more worried about illegally copied software. Even with the clearly documented benefits of OSS, it's hard to convince people to change the software they've been using for years when the price is free and there's no penalty for the illegal copy. Luckily, the big software companies are fighting this battle for us. As they continue to make security mistakes and push harder on copyright law enforcement, it becomes more likely that people will consider alternatives. Sabar je lah! :) We don't even really need to think of this as a competition because our community isn't a corporation that needs to make a profit each quarter. Just continue to be awesome, like we already are, and make the software available to people when they're ready... it'll just happen. Legal will used patent as ways to gain more profit from any software including OSS. I didn't quite understand this line. If you meant that proprietary software companies will use patents and copyright laws to get more profit than they deserve from their own software and OSS software, I think you're right. This worries me, too. We can defend ourselves by being wary of the FUD and supporting organizations that work to defend our rights like EFF. Pirate will use harmful ways to give bad name to any software. Example day 0 exploit. Are you talking about a Zero-day attack ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_attack )? What does that have to do with piracy, OSS, or even proprietary software? Theoretically, this kind of exploit will affect any type of software project, free or otherwise, equally. However, OSS generally has a shorter turn-around for bug fixes and a community with greater awareness than that of proprietary software, so this kind of exploit actually works in our favor. It's one of our advantages over proprietary software. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Haris bin Ali ha...@qedx.com wrote: I figured this might be of interest: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies is the first independent, large-scale study of music, film and software piracy in emerging economies, with a focus on Brazil, India, Russia, South Africa, Mexico and Bolivia. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times better than Malaysia? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS does not see Malaysia as a potential OSS hub or development area where compare to Singapore that is 10 times better than Malaysian. This I personally feel where bitching is more than the actual work. GOOD JOBS GUYS FOR MAKING MALAYSIA MALAYSIAN. where this remark is much my fault where all of you were right... kan? Don't see the point of promoting it anymore any longer where domestic community not even speaking the same lingo to each others. Congratulation people you have archive what you want... well done... rafe -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and personally feel that somehow is my fault too.. rafe On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times better than Malaysia? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS ... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-informa... -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-inf... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but then just a feeling. I also got a feeling on the amount of visible RD and product resulted from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong. Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a feeling On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and personally feel that somehow is my fault too.. rafe On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times better than Malaysia? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS ... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-informa... -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-inf... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Working harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on the running wheel. We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same place. If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with them? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but then just a feeling. I also got a feeling on the amount of visible RD and product resulted from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong. Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a feeling On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and personally feel that somehow is my fault too.. rafe On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times better than Malaysia? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS ... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-informa... -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-inf... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Of course they are better! They are there working on the next big thing while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why people don't want to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so we can have yet another distro based on Ubuntu. =P Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Working harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on the running wheel. We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same place. If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with them? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but then just a feeling. I also got a feeling on the amount of visible RD and product resulted from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong. Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a feeling On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and personally feel that somehow is my fault too.. rafe On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times better than Malaysia? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS ... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-informa... -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-inf... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
In what sense, did you compare Malaysia and Singapore as development area or potential OSS hub? Is it about facilities, people (community), entrepreneurs, company, or government? Or is it because of this mailing list is full of bitching and talking without anybody here showing their actual OSS activities? As what I can see, most people I know here have done something in OSS, whether to OSS development and even OSS community. However, people like me who actually have another busy and more profitable work/business will do this community work as hobby and leisure. I need to work for money to feed my family. OK, enough of my rants... none of my problems is anyone business here. Let's just tackle this issue. Could you please clarify on which part can people like me, could help in increasing Malaysia rank in 'unknown criteria' about being better development area or potential OSS hub compared to Singapore? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:28 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: Of course they are better! They are there working on the next big thing while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why people don't want to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so we can have yet another distro based on Ubuntu. =P Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Working harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on the running wheel. We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same place. If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with them? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but then just a feeling. I also got a feeling on the amount of visible RD and product resulted from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong. Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a feeling On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and personally feel that somehow is my fault too.. rafe On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times better than Malaysia? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS ... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-informa... -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-inf... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Best Wishes, M. Fauzilkamil Zainuddin ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee - ApOgEE on LaunchPad http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
I got to go down on details with d internal team and ask them what the actual point that they are looking at... rafe On Mar 15, 2011 12:45 PM, ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com wrote: In what sense, did you compare Malaysia and Singapore as development area or potential OSS hub? Is it about facilities, people (community), entrepreneurs, company, or government? Or is it because of this mailing list is full of bitching and talking without anybody here showing their actual OSS activities? As what I can see, most people I know here have done something in OSS, whether to OSS development and even OSS community. However, people like me who actually have another busy and more profitable work/business will do this community work as hobby and leisure. I need to work for money to feed my family. OK, enough of my rants... none of my problems is anyone business here. Let's just tackle this issue. Could you please clarify on which part can people like me, could help in increasing Malaysia rank in 'unknown criteria' about being better development area or potential OSS hub compared to Singapore? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:28 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com wrote: Of course th... -- Best Wishes, M. Fauzilkamil Zainuddin ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee - ApOgEE on LaunchPad http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-inf... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
