Salam n good day Years as an ICT personnel before never put some firm reason for me to be involved in open source development, support open source group etc because using open source or not, I still can finish my study / work.. doesn't bother with RM300++ for windows or other proprietary software. Personally I use windows because I played games, photo n video editing n such.
But, things had change when I was entitled as 'orang gomen'. Being in government sector really open my eyes to the expenditure of each penny of tax payer money or malaysian should say 'duit rakyat'. Something that we already took for granted as 'duit kerajaan' and without thinking, something normally cost about RM4 could be charge RM6 because the 'government is paying'. But, try to think it very hard. All the tax payers money, in economically bad scenario such as today, should spend wisely on higher priority area. And as from my humble opinion, paying RM4 millions to buy a proprietary system is not worth it for malaysian as we can build the system ourselves. And so, the RM4 mil can go to other sector such as health care, medicine, better roads, education etc... As a system developer in government sector urges me to use open source, built system with lower cost and find solutions for each and every problem arose during implementation so that each penny saved from my effort could go to even more significant sector. For that reason, I never emphasize on OS comparison, which is better and which is not. It is about what we should do and put our effort on. IMHO, Using open source is the best for government as we could saved millions ringgit of duit rakyat just by develop our own system using open source. "the RM 4500.00 server is running on linux, web on apache, db on mysql, > language is php n javascript. my salary is less than RM40K/year and all that is very far from RM200 k > spent for license n maintenance each year if we bought the system" "Rasulullah s.a.w. bersabda yang bermaksud: "Orang Mukmin yang paling sempurna imannya ialah yang paling baik akhlaknya." (Hadith Riwayat Ahmad)." On 14 March 2011 12:35, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <jipangmenje...@gmail.com>wrote: > +1 too ;) > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:36 AM, zarul shahrin <zarulshah...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Nicely said Mr Fauzi, +1 >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, ApOgEE <jerung...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> For me, computer is just a tool to do my work. I don't really bother >>> whether the OS is Open Source or proprietary. I use them all for certain >>> work that they specialize in. For example, if I wanna do VB or VB script to >>> solve my customer problem in windows, I will boot my windows and do the >>> development and testing there. If I wanna do C or any linux or embedded >>> linux work I will boot to my Linux and do my work there. And if I wanna do >>> Graphic Design for printing, I will rather use Mac with the tools installed >>> in it and finish my work there. >>> >>> There are a lot of reasons why I choose certain Operating System for >>> certain situation to do certain work. It's like when you are choosing >>> hammer, to hammer the nail in a wood. You may also use other things like >>> stone, iron, or any thing near you to hammer it. But, when you are >>> professional in such work, you may choose to use proper tools for proper >>> work. Anyway, it is up to you to decide how you are going to finish your >>> work. Isn't that the freedom we are searching for? >>> >>> My point is, keep it simple. Don't blame your torch light because it is >>> not bright enough for your big room. Just call an electrician to fix a room >>> light for you, turn on the room light and your room will be bright. Unless >>> you are a developer or scientist who tried to develop a brightest torch >>> light, you will try your best to find the solutions for what you develop. >>> And when you have successfully develop them, share your solution to the >>> others for the spirit of open source. >>> >>> OS and distro wars are endless and useless. If you don't like it, do not >>> use it. If you think Mac is expensive, don't buy it. And if you encounter >>> trouble while using any OS, develop a solution for it if you can, and share >>> your solution if you like. Otherwise, you may also sell your solutions. >>> Maybe someone will find your solution worth to buy. Please don't blame me >>> for not choosing the same OS as you do. Please don't blame other people for >>> choosing Microsoft Excel instead of OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet to do their >>> work. They have money to buy whatever they like. Awareness is just to make >>> people aware that there is alternatives to what they can use to solve their >>> work. There is no obligation. Not even government could make that policy to >>> only use 'that apps' for 'that works'. >>> >>> It is not a mentality issue if people choose Toyota instead of Proton >>> Saga. We all have our own experience for what we choose. Innovation will not >>> die when there is no 'fake support' from local user. Just keep it going and >>> improving to beat other innovations if you can. If FiMOS can beat Ubuntu, >>> Red Hat, Suse, or any other distro features, just do it! >>> >>> In my point of view, I see FiMOS is one of the linux distro among >>> thousands or millions of other distros that is not currently even listed in >>> distrowatch.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, zarul shahrin >>> <zarulshah...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> The technology being used in RKHunter is 10-15 years behinds any >>>> standard Windows anti-rookit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Muhammad Syafiq < >>>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;) >>>>> >>>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي >>>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli >>>>> http://syafiq.me >>>>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 >>>>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin <zarulshah...@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini < >>>>>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin < >>>>>>> zarulshah...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a >>>>>>>> hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new >>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>> using a tool which is easy to learn? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously >>>>>> worked in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine >>>>>> infected by a rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux >>>>>> machine >>>>>> infected by a rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for >>>>>> Linux? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, >>>>>>> or the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice". Everyone has >>>>>> the right to choose how they do things as long as they don't go around >>>>>> and play down how other people do things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1 <r...@red1.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an >>>>>>>>> example function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. interviewer : what software do you know ? >>>>>>>>> 2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. >>>>>>>>> 3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ? >>>>>>>>> 4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school >>>>>>>>> only teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra') >>>>>>>>> 5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very >>>>>>>>> cheap. and no virus. >>>>>>>>> 6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and >>>>>>>>> suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use >>>>>>>>> excel for >>>>>>>>> quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, >>>>>>>>> reconciliation, >>>>>>>>> balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning >>>>>>>>> schedule, >>>>>>>>> manufacturing account. >>>>>>>>> 7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya.... mampus lah aku... kenapa >>>>>>>>> sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?] >>>>>>>>> 8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti >>>>>>>>> projek crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above >>>>>>>>> fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in >>>>>>>>> malaysia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a >>>>>>>>> waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread >>>>>>>>> somebody >>>>>>>>> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it >>>>>>>>> is this >>>>>>>>> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing >>>>>>>>> innovation in >>>>>>>>> malaysia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >>>>>>>>> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification >>>>>>>>> http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >>>>>>>> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification >>>>>>>> http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://about.me/syazwan/bio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com >>>>>>> http://blog.syazwan.co.cc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com >>>>>>> jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap >>>>>>> http://radio.syazwan.co.cc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >>>>>>> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification >>>>>>> http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >>>>>> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >>>>>> >>>>>> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >>>>>> >>>>>> MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification >>>>>> http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >>>>> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >>>>> >>>>> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >>>> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >>>> >>>> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> M. 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