Re: [osdcmy] good talk from DefCon on Social Engineering
At 19:20 of the video, this hacker showed he was in Malaysia. So PDRM's cybersecurity, if there is one, should take note. :( It's a hotel, a private property. There is nothing much PDRM/Cybersecurity can do about it (Heck, they should focus on .gov servers keep getting pwned by kiddies rather than worrying about something like this). Some hotels in Malaysia have been pwned over and over again by some of the HITB participants/speakers and too many times they have informed about the flaws. But too often they took it for granted. The good news is, the fact that they are in the video, it means they hired him for the job. - Zarul And this leads to one lesson - a prophet is never accepted in his own land. It is best he wrecks havoc in foreign lands. :) Greetings from Sao Paulo. On 2/7/12 8:15 PM, Boh Yap wrote: hi, to you hackers, err.. security experts out there http://vimeo.com/28284322 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-**mailing-list-informationhttp://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/**groups/osdcmalaysia/http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
[osdcmy] Django Developer
Does anyone know any good django developer working as freelancer in KL? Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming
I would like to disagree on this part. There is no need for them to get themselves updated with the latest programming languages or trend. Even if they teach COBOL and PASCAL in school today, I think that is something very good. It is not about teaching them how to use the language to develop software, it's about teaching them the concept. We have too many coders today who know how to write software, but fail miserably when it comes to quality. Why? Because when they started to learn programming, they learned how to build software with the programming language rather than the science behinds it. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia? I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically. My reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning. It keeps it interesting. I don't think schools could keep up anyway. It's the same in the US. Schools can't keep up with trends in programming. If they tried, it would be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming
Me me me!! I learned to program through MIRC scripting and my first program was an auto-kick script. Frankly speaking - It was also the one that introduced me to the Linux world and made me replace my Windows 98 with Redhat 5 just a few weeks after getting my first computer. I was so obsessed with MIRC Scripting and Psybnc that I decided to learn Linux so that I could install bitchX and psybnc and also run my own IRC Server. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Team What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming Does basic on the TRS-80 Color Computer 3 in around 1988 count? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer#Color_Computer_3_.281986.E2.80.931991.29 How about Microsoft QuickBasic around 1990? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickBASIC The Wikipedia page says the last version was released in 1988, but I'm certain I didn't even have a computer that could run it until 1989. I actually bought the boxed version that would let me make EXE files... woohoo!! :) I didn't really start learning anything useful until I started with Perl in 2003, though. For someone starting today, I'd recommend Python. The batteries included concept and strict coding style guidelines make it easier to work with and learn from existing code. https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=questionid=2322588064704 Its in Facebook QA module. Just for fun. You can answer by reply this email. I never know MIRC have script. Thats good, we can use any lang. to learn programming. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
[osdcmy] HITB Magazine #6
Free knowledge - Ok lah tu... Kira free macam free software la jugak... http://magazine.hackinthebox.org/issues/HITB-Ezine-Issue-006.pdf -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information Malaysia Open Source Conference 2011 MOSC2011 http://blog.mosc.my/ and http://www.mosc.my/ Milking the Cloud Competition for MOSC2011 http://www.mosc.my/articles/item/7-milking-the-cloud-competition-for-mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] IBM releases HTML5 authoring tools
Hey bro, Thank you so much for sharing. This is definitely something I would love to take a look. Thank you again! =D Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:38 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: http://maqetta.org/ Quoted from the page Maqetta is an open source project that provides WYSIWYG visual authoring of HTML5 user interfaces. The Maqetta application itself is authored in HTML, and therefore runs in the browser without requiring additional plugins or downloads. It is originally developed by IBM, now they donate it to the dojo foundation. the github page is https://github.com/maqetta/maqetta -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] how to trace information about a phishing website
What kind of information do you need? On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:58 PM, MASOKIS maso...@gmail.com wrote: Peh.. mantap om :) -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
[osdcmy] Looking for a PHP Programmer (Full Time / Part Time)
Good Day Everyone, My friend from a local *Buddhist Organization is looking for a PHP programmer (Part Time / Full Time). Please let me know if anyone is interested (or if you know someone who might be interested). * * * *• Proficient in PHP, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, XML, MySQL and Ajax programming • Knowledge of Flash ActionScript, Dreamweaver, Photoshop and in CMS (Wordpress and Wordpress plugin programming) • Experience in deployment of website based on LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) * * * *Thanks!* * * * * * * *Best Regards,* * * Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Mirror Mirror For OSS in Malaysia
Ermm.. Inter-Distro meeting hari tu ada minutes tak? Tak dapat pergi sebab ada meeting lain... On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: For the 1U server, we can actually get something cheaper, such as lower than 1.5k. If possible, get a 1U server for 1k. The most important thing is the hard disk space, which we need at least 1TB. We just host the most recent version of the distros, as well as 1 older version of the distros, just in case there is still people are still using them. By not hosting those very old versions, we can actually able to support more distro's repo in this 1U server. @Yusof Khalid, If possible, try to get the price a low as possible for the colo service. Let us know the location of the DC as well, so that we can assign volunteers to go to the DC in case of the server have hardware issues etc. -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Fwd: Majalah Sumbu #1 Dilepaskan!
LOL~! ^o^ 2011/3/28 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com is it 'dilepaskan' or 'diterbitkan' ? but most of all congrats 2011/3/28 Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Satu lagi majalah Sumber Terbuka Malaysia. http://www.gumuu.com/p/qxqv -- Forwarded message -- From: Fahmi Date: 2011/3/28 Subject: Majalah Sumbu #1 Dilepaskan! To: Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com Salam... Majalah Sumbu #1 dah pun dikeluarkan. Majalah Sumbu merupakan majalah hasil kolaberasi komuniti Jomlinux yang dijadualkan diterbit secara bulanan. Sumbu adalah singkatan dari SUMber terBUka atau maksud Sumbu yang lain adalah benang api-api. Kononnya, Sumbu akan menjadi majalah pencerahan bagi mereka yang ingin mengenali sumber terbuka Linux. Harap dapat sebar-sebarkan tentang ni pada rakan2, mailing list,blog dan laman sosial. Utk maklumat lanjut, layari link ini @ http://www.jomlinux.com/2011/03/28/majalah-sumbu-1-dilepaskan/ Fahmi Jomlinux -- Malaysia Open Source Software Conference 2011 MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 http://portal.mosc.my/ LinuxMalaysia Network http://www.facebook.com/Bukan.Sekadar.Internet.Sahaja -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] help ! i have crashed gmail on firefox on ubuntu
I know mister, I was just kidding... It's Saturday.. Oh well, have a good weekend. On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:12 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: Time to move to Windows =P Doesn't have much to do with the OS. Web pages and their problems occur entirely within the limits of the browser. -- *Ghodmode* http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Handling NaN in python
Thank you for sharing though. I expect more people to post this kinda thing in our ML, doesn't matter basic or advanced subject. This is so much better than topics like Is X much better than Y?. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:00 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: I happens to have a instance where some data is in form of NaN(Not a Number). When converted into decimal, and I have to filter those. In many language and the latest python is a method or function in form of. is_nan or isnan, to check it. I happen to be unlucky enough to have python 2.4 that don't have that. Fortunately there is a way to handle this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaN As some might already know, Basically the idea is, for x is NaN then x == x is false. in python you can test it here f = float(NaN) if f == f: print this should not print or in decimal module from decimal import * d = Decimal(NaN) if d == d: print this should not print too yes, it not as useful now as newer python version provide a is_nan method, which is more intuitive. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored
Some people already know about it one day before.. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Ahmad Amran r0k...@gmail.com wrote: Kat website php.net dah announce. Cuma wiki server compromise. Takde src code. SVN dah check, setakat ni ok. Password dah tukar b Sent from my phone On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:37 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com wrote: It's always take longer for official announcement. ^_^ On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com zarulshah...@gmail.com wrote: Visual proof of http://PHP.NETPHP.NET server(s) breach: http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635 http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635 PHP.net's own confirmation ( http://www.php.net/archive/2011.php#id2011-03-19-2 http://www.php.net/archive/2011.php#id2011-03-19-2 ) : *[19-Mar-2011]* The http://wiki.php.netwiki.php.net box was compromised and the attackers were able to collect wiki account credentials. No other machines in the http://php.netphp.net infrastructure appear to have been affected. Our biggest concern is, of course, the integrity of our source code. We did an extensive code audit and looked at every commit since 5.3.5 to make sure that no stolen accounts were used to inject anything malicious. Nothing was found. The compromised machine has been wiped and we are forcing a password change for all svn accounts. We are still investigating the details of the attack which combined a vulnerability in the Wiki software with a Linux root exploit. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com zarulshah...@gmail.com wrote: Hai Guys, just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more info on this. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Sure, you can use any language. But we are talking about learning beyond the basic things. I would rather learn in English and spend my time solving problems than busy doing cross references. Perhaps this explains why despite having many IT graduates, the employment rates is still low. Even though there are many vacancies... On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk alam ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera, cukup cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun: Some people say that BM isn't suitable for science, technology, or finance, but I disagree. Any language can handle new words and describe new concepts. These IT words are only a problem because we already knew them in English before we tried to use them in Malay. If you could show a computer mouse to someone who has never seen one, they would give it a name. Americans came up with the name mouse because they thought it looked like a mouse. A Malaysian would probably give it a completely different name. -- *Ghodmode* http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored
It's always take longer for official announcement. ^_^ On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: Visual proof of PHP.NET server(s) breach: http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635 PHP.net's own confirmation ( http://www.php.net/archive/2011.php#id2011-03-19-2 ) : *[19-Mar-2011]* The wiki.php.net box was compromised and the attackers were able to collect wiki account credentials. No other machines in the php.net infrastructure appear to have been affected. Our biggest concern is, of course, the integrity of our source code. We did an extensive code audit and looked at every commit since 5.3.5 to make sure that no stolen accounts were used to inject anything malicious. Nothing was found. The compromised machine has been wiped and we are forcing a password change for all svn accounts. We are still investigating the details of the attack which combined a vulnerability in the Wiki software with a Linux root exploit. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: Hai Guys, just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more info on this. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
stack overflow limpah atas tindanan heap overflow , tarak record. USB port == port bas bersiri semesta 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran imtym@gmail.com Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun. M perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah terima pakai. Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila bercakap tentang lokalisasi. 2011/3/18 ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah terkeliru: Gelintar = Search Tatal = Scroll Contoh ayat: Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan Enjin Gelintar Google Sumber rujukan: http://prpm.dbp.gov.my On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.my wrote: Lets create a new words using DBP's standard! *Words:* Connect = Konek Debian Squeeze = Debian Picit Desktop = Atas Meja Laptop = Atas Peha *Commands:* fsck = **Perkataan Ini Telah Diharamkan** cat /proc/cpuinfo = kucing /proc/cpuinfo less = kurang So, *cat /var/log/auth.log | less* will be *kucing /var/log/auth.log | kurang* -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Best Wishes, M. Fauzilkamil Zainuddin ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee - ApOgEE on LaunchPad http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Aku Tetap Aku™ http://maklan.blogspot.com/ https://launchpad.net/~maklanx http://www.facebook.com/mohamadimranishak -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut kepala otak adalah. 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com stack overflow limpah atas tindanan heap overflow , tarak record. USB port == port bas bersiri semesta 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran imtym@gmail.com Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun. M perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah terima pakai. Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila bercakap tentang lokalisasi. 2011/3/18 ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah terkeliru: Gelintar = Search Tatal = Scroll Contoh ayat: Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan Enjin Gelintar Google Sumber rujukan: http://prpm.dbp.gov.my On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.mywrote: Lets create a new words using DBP's standard! *Words:* Connect = Konek Debian Squeeze = Debian Picit Desktop = Atas Meja Laptop = Atas Peha *Commands:* fsck = **Perkataan Ini Telah Diharamkan** cat /proc/cpuinfo = kucing /proc/cpuinfo less = kurang So, *cat /var/log/auth.log | less* will be *kucing /var/log/auth.log | kurang* -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Best Wishes, M. Fauzilkamil Zainuddin ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee - ApOgEE on LaunchPad http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Aku Tetap Aku™ http://maklan.blogspot.com/ https://launchpad.net/~maklanx http://www.facebook.com/mohamadimranishak -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau dulu belajar matematik dan sains dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan bahan-bahan rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bahan-bahan rujukan dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad. Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba menterjemahkan apa yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia kepada Bahasa Inggeris dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang lain yang sejak dari mula belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk menguasai ilmu baru. 2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len? ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot... 2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut kepala otak adalah. sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len? ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot... 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com stack overflow limpah atas tindanan heap overflow , tarak record. USB port == port bas bersiri semesta 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran imtym@gmail.com Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun. M perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah terima pakai. Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila bercakap tentang lokalisasi. 2011/3/18 ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah terkeliru: Gelintar = Search Tatal = Scroll Contoh ayat: Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan Enjin Gelintar Google Sumber rujukan: http://prpm.dbp.gov.my On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.mywrote: Lets create a new words using DBP's standard! *Words:* Connect = Konek Debian Squeeze = Debian Picit Desktop = Atas Meja Laptop = Atas Peha *Commands:* fsck = **Perkataan Ini Telah Diharamkan** cat /proc/cpuinfo = kucing /proc/cpuinfo less = kurang So, *cat /var/log/auth.log | less* will be *kucing /var/log/auth.log | kurang* -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Best Wishes, M. Fauzilkamil Zainuddin ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee - ApOgEE on LaunchPad http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Aku Tetap Aku™ http://maklan.blogspot.com/ https://launchpad.net/~maklanx http://www.facebook.com/mohamadimranishak -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China. But, do we have that many books? Oh wait... Do we have that many experts? Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun Grandmaster sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua dah ada. Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus. 2011/3/18 sallehy sall...@gmail.com Jika berkesempatan ke Indonesia, mungkin boleh belajar sesuatu. Buku rujukan Bahasa Inggeris sukar cari makan katanya. Kedai buku bertingkat-tingkat penuh dengan bahasa mereka sendiri :) 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau dulu belajar matematik dan sains dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan bahan-bahan rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bahan-bahan rujukan dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad. Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba menterjemahkan apa yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia kepada Bahasa Inggeris dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang lain yang sejak dari mula belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk menguasai ilmu baru. 2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len? ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot... 2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut kepala otak adalah. sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len? ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot... 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com stack overflow limpah atas tindanan heap overflow , tarak record. USB port == port bas bersiri semesta 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran imtym@gmail.com Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun. M perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah terima pakai. Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila bercakap tentang lokalisasi. 2011/3/18 ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah terkeliru: Gelintar = Search Tatal = Scroll Contoh ayat: Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan Enjin Gelintar Google Sumber rujukan: http://prpm.dbp.gov.my On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF garfi...@debmal.mywrote: Lets create a new words using DBP's standard! *Words:* Connect = Konek Debian Squeeze = Debian Picit Desktop = Atas Meja Laptop = Atas Peha *Commands:* fsck = **Perkataan Ini Telah Diharamkan** cat /proc/cpuinfo = kucing /proc/cpuinfo less = kurang So, *cat /var/log/auth.log | less* will be *kucing /var/log/auth.log | kurang* -- *GarfieldWTF http://garfield.in* Debian User Community (Malaysia) *http://debmal.my* - *CS Squad VPS Hosting http://cart.cs-squad.net/cart.php?gid=1* -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Best Wishes, M. Fauzilkamil Zainuddin ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee - ApOgEE on LaunchPad http://artofapogee.blogspot.com - Art Of ApOgEE http://coderstalk.blogspot.com - Coder's Talk -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Aku Tetap Aku™ http://maklan.blogspot.com/ https://launchpad.net/~maklanx http://www.facebook.com/mohamadimranishak -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Kita juga kena fikir.. 1) Buku jenis apa? Sastera, teknikal? Kita sedang bercakap mengenai buku-buku teknikal. 2) Berapa tinggi ilmu-ilmu yang ditawarkan buku-buku tersebut? Dulu kawan saya cakap kat Indonesia banyak buku-buku teknikal. Tapi bila saya ke sana , buku-bukunya kebanyakkan adalah basic stuff. 2011/3/18 red1 r...@red1.org Semasa di Thailand, saya perhati kat kedai buku mereka, terdapat banyak majalah terbaru dunia seperti GQ, Penthouse, Linux, Vogue, tetapi satu helai Inggeris pun tak ada. Semua diterjemahkan bulat-bulat ke dalam bahasa Siyeh. Yalah.. mereka tak pernah dijajah. On 3/18/11 7:10 PM, zarul shahrin wrote: Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China. But, do we have that many books? Oh wait... Do we have that many experts? Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun Grandmaster sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua dah ada. Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus. 2011/3/18 sallehy sall...@gmail.com Jika berkesempatan ke Indonesia, mungkin boleh belajar sesuatu. Buku rujukan Bahasa Inggeris sukar cari makan katanya. Kedai buku bertingkat-tingkat penuh dengan bahasa mereka sendiri :) 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau dulu belajar matematik dan sains dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan bahan-bahan rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bahan-bahan rujukan dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad. Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba menterjemahkan apa yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia kepada Bahasa Inggeris dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang lain yang sejak dari mula belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk menguasai ilmu baru. 2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len? ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot... 2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut kepala otak adalah. sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len? ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored
Visual proof of PHP.NET server(s) breach: http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: Hai Guys, just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more info on this. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] What about closed core?
What is FOSS? =P On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: Closed Core == sounds like FOSS, smells like FOSS, looks like FOSS but it ain't FOSS. Eric On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: I noticed a Facebook Developers Garage event on the OSDC.my. Since Facebook is definitely not free, but applications developed for it potentially are free, is there such as a thing as closed core? I've only recently become familiar with the term open core. I haven't heard the term closed core... can I copyright it? ... I can't wait to start suing people! :) Where does this type of software development fit into our community? Thank you. -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu
Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle (which I am using). On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote: so far I know, there still no update on availability using yes on any linux distribution, even the sales person at KL Sentral told me, except for home package with that big black yes modem. perhaps who has yes dongle can borrow me for a while, I can try to find the driver :p On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: dear all anyone able to connect using yes wimax dongle on ubuntu ? planning to switch to yes, coz maxis bb / celcom bb at putrajaya is often congested / slow / dropped -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
[osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Saudara dan Saudari, Saya pun tak tahu kenapa. Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P. Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya. ^O^ Yang Ikhlas, Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
I think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or small). So sometimes you just need to move on. I had a manager who once told me this - Don't die for the company, company won't die for you. That was probably one of the best advices anyone has ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until several companies later. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: Ah Poh ar Aiyo you also know that si nyayok manyak kacau one. We had to clean up the report until 6 pagi. Giler. Not dragging your name and Raja's but that whole cleaning up exercise was stupid and unnecessary. My relationship with my wife became tegang because of that womankeja sampai awal pagi, balik mandi, tukar baju balik ke meeting. Kalau ngatok kena bambu like you never believe. Masa kat OSCC my MC can exceed 14 days, this never happened before in all my years of working! Pernah sekali dua gua henti bawah jamabatang tidur pasal letih sgt. At the end, all was not worth it. Not appreciated never mind, kena caci, dituduh bukan2, bini dah tensionno money is worth all that...I just walked away. Eric On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:28 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Hello Apek, Pasal apa lu tarik wa sama Raja kasi ini lu gomen punya hal. Aiya, Wa mana mau cerita itu manyak tak boleh cakap. Wa ada baca itu, itu sta, sta-tis-tik wa sendiri pun susah. Dia punya line manyak manyak tapi ada manyak tada jumpa. Raja sama saya tarik itu line sini sana. Nyonya ada cakap sama wa. Wa ada cakap sama Nyonya, lepas itu wa cakap sayang sama semua orang. Was sudah dapat itu uang bikin kerja. Ada senang wa balik sana. On 3/17/11 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote: I am aware of your association in Phase One. OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat. The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe they have a copy of it. The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON. When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official answer is always We only do Public Sector. WTF!? It shows those in power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS is a haram word; we could only use OSS. Jeez! Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success, but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in thousands of man hours to try to make it work. I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for clueless politicians. Eric -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa rojak? 2011/3/17 saiful akusai...@gmail.com ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click. dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes digunakan adalah memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main. 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com kelik dua kali. :p محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com salam apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ? help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application ! 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Saudara dan Saudari, Saya pun tak tahu kenapa. Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P. Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya. ^O^ Yang Ikhlas, Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- When there are Thousand of People go against you and only one at your side, trust me, I'm the one - akusaiful. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
also any suggestion for burn cd ? i am using rakamkan pada cd. I know this one! Cakera Padat Bakar! 2011/3/17 saiful akusai...@gmail.com ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click. dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes digunakan adalah memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main. 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com kelik dua kali. :p محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com salam apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ? help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application ! 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Saudara dan Saudari, Saya pun tak tahu kenapa. Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P. Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya. ^O^ Yang Ikhlas, Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- When there are Thousand of People go against you and only one at your side, trust me, I'm the one - akusaiful. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Ini ingatkan saya kembali kepada UKM MIMOS e-Translation Project sekitar tahun 2005 (mungkin) Apa yang berlaku dengan projek tersebut? Masih aktif? -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
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Saya rasa sudah tiba masanya untuk kita duduk sebangku dengan pakar bahasa dan menjadi lebih berani dalam menyelesaikan masalah ini. Kita perlu berani berfikir diluar kotak: Kenapa kita perlukan terjemahan terus atau mengciplak perkataan dari bahasa lain. Sebagai contoh: cable = kabel. Pada saya contoh klasik diatas adalah bukti dimana pakar-pakar bahasa kita kekurangan kreativiti dan hanya sekadar mengubah ejaan (so now it becomes a Malay word ). Kalau pakar-pakar Bahahsa Inggeris boleh memperkenalkan istilah-istilah baru setiap tahun, kenapa kita tidak? Kenapa Joystick perlu menjadi batang gembira. Perkenalkan saja perkataan baru yang lebih pendek. Yang Benar, Zarul Shahrin 2011/3/18 saifuladli ismail ismail.saifula...@gmail.com kita tak perlu guna perkataan bakar, kita guna perkataan salin nota ke dalam CD. ok sikit bunyi nya. 2011/3/17 saiful akusai...@gmail.com aku x pernah setuju dengan isitilah yang dianjurkan oleh dbp, still dalam note aku untuk kuliah tetap aku campurkan antara BM dan BI, sesetangah istilah boleh diterjemah dan sesetngahnya sangatlah 'jahil murakkab' sangat untuk dikalihbahasakan. kau nak nota aku? boleh nanti aku bakar dan bagi kau satu salinan - :) .. burn-in time (masa bakar mula) aduhai tolonglah... 2011/3/17 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com hmmm...ssh gak nak ckap bab nie. actually,kalo ade sape2 xtau lg,kami pengajar bhgn ICT nie ssh skit kalo nak gune BI 100%.nak wat nota,nak wat AS,WS,IS,LP,KA,PA sume2 tu xleh nak rojak sgt.kalo double click,kene tukr jadik klik 2 kali.cume ade la skit2 term yg xdigalakkn translte sbb riso laen maksd.mcm *firewall.*maybe kite akn ckp,da tau bljr komp,kene la power BI.itula yg ak slaloo ckp kat stdnt2.tp kne fhm gak.mostly dorng nie dtg dari kptusan yg xbrape baek.imagine,kalo kite pndg org msuk ILP n IKBN or mane2 pusat kemahiran,kite da anggp mcm ntuk stdt2 yg agak lemah,apatah lgi ntuk org2 yg xlayak pn nak msuk tmpt2 camtu. yg xboleh membace,menulis pn ade.kene train slow2.nak bleh mmbace menulis plak,BI mmg hancus.nak solve mende2 camni,kene train asing.bgi nota BM.n then selit2 BI.baru fhm.dlu2,aku slaloo kondem cik2 ak sal wat nota BM.last2 bile da alami sndiri,tgk level stdnt2 ak,baru la ak fhm.ble ckp right click pn dorng da confuse.huhu 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com: Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa rojak? 2011/3/17 saiful akusai...@gmail.com ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click. dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes digunakan adalah memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main. 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com kelik dua kali. :p محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com salam apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ? help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application ! 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com Saudara dan Saudari, Saya pun tak tahu kenapa. Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P. Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya. ^O^ Yang Ikhlas, Zarul Shahrin -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- When there are Thousand of People go against you and only one at your side, trust me, I'm the one - akusaiful. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- When there are Thousand of People go against you and only one at your side, trust me, I'm the one - akusaiful. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information
Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa
Or just use English for everything techno. Much better. =D 2011/3/18 Haris bin Ali ha...@qedx.com 2011/3/18 ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com: Saya fikir, ini adalah usaha yang memakan masa dan berterusan Juga membazirkan masa dan tenaga. Sekiranya perkataan dan ungkapan tertentu telah tidak digunakan lagi oleh masyarakat mainstream, mengapa perlu dihidupkan kembali? Let it die a quiet death. //ha...@qedx.com -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Remove inappropriate Facebook members?
I am a hot male. How about that? P.S. If you actually are a sexy female Malaysian and interested in Free, Libre, and Open Source Software, give me a call :P -- Ghodmode -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Huh? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS does not see Malaysia as a potential OSS hub or development area where compare to Singapore that is 10 times better than Malaysian. This I personally feel where bitching is more than the actual work. GOOD JOBS GUYS FOR MAKING MALAYSIA MALAYSIAN. where this remark is much my fault where all of you were right... kan? Don't see the point of promoting it anymore any longer where domestic community not even speaking the same lingo to each others. Congratulation people you have archive what you want... well done... rafe -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer
Of course they are better! They are there working on the next big thing while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why people don't want to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so we can have yet another distro based on Ubuntu. =P Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Working harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on the running wheel. We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same place. If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with them? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but then just a feeling. I also got a feeling on the amount of visible RD and product resulted from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong. Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a feeling On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and personally feel that somehow is my fault too.. rafe On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times better than Malaysia? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote: Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the global player of OSS ... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-informa... -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-inf... -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths
If you want to be just another programmer, then you don't need that much
of math, otherwise, yes math is important.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com
wrote:
ahaks...
for a mathematician a simpler answer is n*(n+1)/2
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.comwrote:
math n CS...
IMHO,without math,programming cant go to the next
part.if,else,while,and most of the programming part is derived from
math.and we actually learn that in school.but under Math,not
programming.slowly,we implement in our program.without we knowing,we
actually doint math.just pick some of the code:
while(i = 0;i5;i++){
i;
}
see?we actually doing plus operation there.:D
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E A Faisal eafai...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not formally trained on CS. All my programming knowledge is self
taught.
So this is my opinion.
Programming is not solely an art. It's both art and science. I
experienced
countless of times where knowing maths would be extremely useful. While
it's
true that you can program something without any understanding of math
but I
learned the hard way that to implement something efficiently and of high
quality you still need maths. I once created a middleware that helped to
bridge between a system with Hylafax which I needed to write a scheduler
to
poll fax status from Hylafax. My first implementation was straight
forward,
without any thought of mathematical model. It worked but it ate up
resources
needlessly. Though it didn't give any problem but it's not elegant
because
it wasted on computing resource which I might need in the future.
Eventually
I managed to find a mathematical model to implement a good scheduler -
yes!
math to the rescue.
Still not buying on the importance of math? Consider yourself doing
programming and need to choose a data structure. Without good math
understanding how can you decide which data structure would be best on a
given program? Want to analyse your newly and cool algorithm? Who you
gonna
call? Math, of course. Even when you code bussiness app, your business
logic
is basically a representation of mathematical model.
Not to discourage new programmer, you can still code with knowing math
in
depth. But, IMHO as you progress into a more competent programmer you
better
catch up with math again. It certainly helps. Math has helped me, I'm
sure
it's useful to others too.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software
developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers.
We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula
can be created.
and one thing.
Computer programming is an art :)
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/
based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It
depends on
the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no
what you guys think
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems using a tool which is easy to learn? is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p As someone who is working in the security field and who previously worked in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine infected by a rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine infected by a rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux? but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak). Will not argue on this, it's a matter of choice. Everyone has the right to choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play down how other people do things. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you. On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote: imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position : 1. interviewer : what software do you know ? 2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. 3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ? 4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra') 5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and no virus. 6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing account. 7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?] 8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga] hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia. on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in malaysia. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- Muhd Syazwan @ jipang_menjerit http://about.me/syazwan/bio http://blog.ubuntuseekers.com http://blog.syazwan.co.cc jipangmenje...@gmail.com jipang_menje...@ubuntuseekers.com One Online Radio :: Radio yang Suka Bercakap http://radio.syazwan.co.cc -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] New article: What the heck is FreeDOS?
Most of them are preloaded with FeeDos so that the computer price can be reduced by as much as 1K? Unlike corporate users, most of the home users don't give a crap whether their OS is legal or pirated, they just want something cheap (This is especially in Malaysia). If you think people will install Ubuntu instead of Windows just because it gives them a legal OS, then you are wrong. Unless Ubuntu will let them play the latest Call of Duty, Crysis or whatever game there is and let them easily have the same setup for Word processing as in their office (for those non-gamers), otherwise no. Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: A few of our community events, we did try to have a install fest, the thing is none worked the way we want. Probably we did it the wrong way(?) or we talking to the wrong audience(?). Really I don't know. Maybe because it is easy for them to get illegal copy of windows, or in university MSDN give them the latest anyway. Again really I don't know the real reason. But this is base on feel and observation. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com wrote: I went to the PIKOM PC fair this weekend and I saw a whole bunch of computers with FreeDOS installed. The people selling them didn't hesitate to offer unlicensed windows, though. It seems like this would be a very good opportunity for people in our community. We could treat it like a Linux installfest... give out Ubuntu (or any distro) discs and offer to do the installation for free. Then we give out our our business card and offer to do support for low rates paid into the local economy. This way, people have a more information and more choices... unusable FreeDOS, illegal windows (maybe RM50), or fully updated and licensed Ubuntu with all the features. It inspired a blog entry... What the heck is FreeDOS? : http://bit.ly/g44haf If you like it, post a comment on the blog... it makes me feel good :) -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 MOSC Survey 2011 Awareness Of OSS Certification http://survey.mosc.my/mosc-survey-2011-awareness-oss-cert
Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths
Then, comes another question, who here is actually solving the hard problem
in CS that actually require advance maths.
1) Many bro many. Many of these people are just being low profile.
2) Math is important more than to solve hard problems. A good understanding
of math helps you to solve simple problems in the most elegant way.
Just an example, some programmers without a math background would take
1000 LoC to implement something that took a good coder who is good at math,
perhaps 100 LoC?
Just curious anyway
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:23 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote:
If you want to be just another programmer, then you don't need that much
of math, otherwise, yes math is important.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote:
ahaks...
for a mathematician a simpler answer is n*(n+1)/2
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, darXness darXness
darxl...@gmail.comwrote:
math n CS...
IMHO,without math,programming cant go to the next
part.if,else,while,and most of the programming part is derived from
math.and we actually learn that in school.but under Math,not
programming.slowly,we implement in our program.without we knowing,we
actually doint math.just pick some of the code:
while(i = 0;i5;i++){
i;
}
see?we actually doing plus operation there.:D
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E A Faisal eafai...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not formally trained on CS. All my programming knowledge is self
taught.
So this is my opinion.
Programming is not solely an art. It's both art and science. I
experienced
countless of times where knowing maths would be extremely useful.
While it's
true that you can program something without any understanding of math
but I
learned the hard way that to implement something efficiently and of
high
quality you still need maths. I once created a middleware that helped
to
bridge between a system with Hylafax which I needed to write a
scheduler to
poll fax status from Hylafax. My first implementation was straight
forward,
without any thought of mathematical model. It worked but it ate up
resources
needlessly. Though it didn't give any problem but it's not elegant
because
it wasted on computing resource which I might need in the future.
Eventually
I managed to find a mathematical model to implement a good scheduler -
yes!
math to the rescue.
Still not buying on the importance of math? Consider yourself doing
programming and need to choose a data structure. Without good math
understanding how can you decide which data structure would be best on
a
given program? Want to analyse your newly and cool algorithm? Who you
gonna
call? Math, of course. Even when you code bussiness app, your business
logic
is basically a representation of mathematical model.
Not to discourage new programmer, you can still code with knowing math
in
depth. But, IMHO as you progress into a more competent programmer you
better
catch up with math again. It certainly helps. Math has helped me, I'm
sure
it's useful to others too.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote:
We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software
developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers.
We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula
can be created.
and one thing.
Computer programming is an art :)
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/
based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It
depends on
the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no
what you guys think
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Re: [osdcmy] New article: What the heck is FreeDOS?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Vincente Aggrippino vaggripp...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/03/2011 8:43 p.m., zarul shahrin wrote: Most of them are preloaded with FeeDos so that the computer price can be reduced by as much as 1K? Unlike corporate users, most of the home users don't give a crap whether their OS is legal or pirated, they just want something cheap (This is especially in Malaysia). The FreeDOS machines usually are a lower price, but not much lower when compared to a machine with similar specs and licensed Windows. Even when it is lower, the savings are nowhere near 1K. The licensed Windows 7 Home Basic only costs RM350 if you buy it separately. I bought a new computer this weekend. It came with licensed Windows, but I chose it based on specifications and price. I couldn't get a FreeDOS machine with the same specs for a lower price. My apologies on the price inaccuracy but RM 350 is still a lot for a Home Basic. You're right. People don't care about those laws. I would even go a little further and say that some of those laws are unjust and immoral. Modern distributions have more than just free licensing, though, and Linux *is* better than Windows. I think we've had that discussion many times already. That's why we're in this group :) I will never make a claim that any OS is better than the other. As a technical person who have years of experience in using Windows,Linux (for work) and OSX (home and work), all of them have their strengths and weaknesses depending on your need and area of work. Microsoft has also damaged their customer base. Their negligence in handling malicious software threats, and stories about systems becoming unusable or shutting down every two hours after an update all work against them. When you have approximately 91% of market share, you can't avoid from being the main target of criminals/virus writers. The same reasoning can be applied to the customers who have problems with Windows. You will of course hear more bad news about Windows than let say Mac OS or Linux due to the number of people using Windows compare to the other OSes. But does that make Windows less stable than Linux? A visit to the forums/IRC and mailing list made me believe otherwise. How many times did you get a BSOD on Windows XP SP3 compare to let say a kernel panic message on Ubuntu Hoary? In fact, the problems you mentioned above are usually caused by 3rd party software such as anti-virus software (removing critical OS files due to false positive) than windows itself. Other than that, An OS that launches a new version every few months will make it less likely be a good candidate for everyday desktop. What people need is a stable OS, not something that get updated with new version every few months and break some of their existing software. If I run a company, I personally do not want to have my system admin to run around every few months to upgrade all the systems and then someone complains that the software they are using are now broken because of the upgrade due to an incompatible version of shared libraries (which is something very common). I'm not much of a gamer, but I think that a lot of those games can be played in Linux using Wine. I can play World of Warcraft using Wine without any special setup and I know someone else in our KK-LUG who has played Starcraft with Wine. There are also some companies starting to develop software that runs natively in Linux. Being a user of Codeweaver Crossover myself ( A commercial version of Wine that supports more application than Wine itself) I would say the number of windows applications that can be run through Wine is still limited. Please also keep in mind that Wine is an emulator and an application running through it is not running natively as they do on Windows. Trying to run a game that requires a high performance machine is pretty much a no no. (I am still playing World of Warcraft and was an addict, Cata runs on my 3-4 years old Mac without a problem. It's not a game that requires a high-end system) All of those concerns, plus some others, are repeated when considering proprietary office software, but OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice is really high-quality software. We're not starting from scratch here. Average people (ie: not nerds like us) have even heard a few of the horror stories about pirated software and the success stories about Open Source Software. It's in the mainstream media already. This is a good time and place to give consumers the option. Just as much as a little Googling will reveal to you how even some of the most experienced Linux users/developers can get frustrated using Linux as their desktop. -- Ghodmode Best Regards, Zarul Shahrin On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: A few of our community events, we did try to have a install fest, the thing is none worked the way we want. Probably we did it the wrong way
Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian
Nicely said Mr Fauzi, +1 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, ApOgEE jerung...@gmail.com wrote: For me, computer is just a tool to do my work. I don't really bother whether the OS is Open Source or proprietary. I use them all for certain work that they specialize in. For example, if I wanna do VB or VB script to solve my customer problem in windows, I will boot my windows and do the development and testing there. If I wanna do C or any linux or embedded linux work I will boot to my Linux and do my work there. And if I wanna do Graphic Design for printing, I will rather use Mac with the tools installed in it and finish my work there. There are a lot of reasons why I choose certain Operating System for certain situation to do certain work. It's like when you are choosing hammer, to hammer the nail in a wood. You may also use other things like stone, iron, or any thing near you to hammer it. But, when you are professional in such work, you may choose to use proper tools for proper work. Anyway, it is up to you to decide how you are going to finish your work. Isn't that the freedom we are searching for? My point is, keep it simple. Don't blame your torch light because it is not bright enough for your big room. Just call an electrician to fix a room light for you, turn on the room light and your room will be bright. Unless you are a developer or scientist who tried to develop a brightest torch light, you will try your best to find the solutions for what you develop. And when you have successfully develop them, share your solution to the others for the spirit of open source. OS and distro wars are endless and useless. If you don't like it, do not use it. If you think Mac is expensive, don't buy it. And if you encounter trouble while using any OS, develop a solution for it if you can, and share your solution if you like. Otherwise, you may also sell your solutions. Maybe someone will find your solution worth to buy. Please don't blame me for not choosing the same OS as you do. Please don't blame other people for choosing Microsoft Excel instead of OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet to do their work. They have money to buy whatever they like. Awareness is just to make people aware that there is alternatives to what they can use to solve their work. There is no obligation. Not even government could make that policy to only use 'that apps' for 'that works'. It is not a mentality issue if people choose Toyota instead of Proton Saga. We all have our own experience for what we choose. Innovation will not die when there is no 'fake support' from local user. Just keep it going and improving to beat other innovations if you can. If FiMOS can beat Ubuntu, Red Hat, Suse, or any other distro features, just do it! In my point of view, I see FiMOS is one of the linux distro among thousands or millions of other distros that is not currently even listed in distrowatch.com On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: The technology being used in RKHunter is 10-15 years behinds any standard Windows anti-rookit. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux? How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;) محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli http://syafiq.me 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com wrote: Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems using a tool which is easy to learn? is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p As someone who is working in the security field and who previously worked in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine infected by a rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine infected by a rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux? but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak). Will not argue on this, it's a matter of choice. Everyone has the right to choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play down how other people do things. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you. On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote: imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position : 1. interviewer : what software do you know ? 2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school. 3. interviewer
