[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
i know, i know... some time back i followed a friend who reaching 50 wana collect his CPF there... bugger... we reached the govt office at 11am .. 11.15 collect the cheque.. no time even to wait cuci mata... too efficient no good... Eric Yeoh wrote: > Red1, > > Give credit where credit is due mate. > > They are not nice people to work for, but they have a darn good > efficient Public Sector! > > Eric > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
Red1, Give credit where credit is due mate. They are not nice people to work for, but they have a darn good efficient Public Sector! Eric On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM, red1 wrote: > > Praising Kiasu Island spoils my day. Yesterday was a good day cos i > could yell at the kuailohs of IAP. > > Eric Yeoh wrote: >> Hi Nazari, >> >> Apologies for the frustration. As a person who did his share of >> traveling I cannot help but at times compare our Public Sector with >> those of other countries. >> >> Just look south and across the "longkang" and you will see matured >> civil service. I was working there for a while and have dealt with >> them, and it was a pleasure to say the least. >> >> As far as the local Gomen is concerned, control is the key phrase.And >> they have an inherent distrust of anything they cannot control and >> manipulate. So leaving it up to volunteers to run? >> >> At this moment I do not think they have matured to that level. >> >> Eric >> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
Praising Kiasu Island spoils my day. Yesterday was a good day cos i could yell at the kuailohs of IAP. Eric Yeoh wrote: > Hi Nazari, > > Apologies for the frustration. As a person who did his share of > traveling I cannot help but at times compare our Public Sector with > those of other countries. > > Just look south and across the "longkang" and you will see matured > civil service. I was working there for a while and have dealt with > them, and it was a pleasure to say the least. > > As far as the local Gomen is concerned, control is the key phrase.And > they have an inherent distrust of anything they cannot control and > manipulate. So leaving it up to volunteers to run? > > At this moment I do not think they have matured to that level. > > Eric > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
Hi Nazari, Apologies for the frustration. As a person who did his share of traveling I cannot help but at times compare our Public Sector with those of other countries. Just look south and across the "longkang" and you will see matured civil service. I was working there for a while and have dealt with them, and it was a pleasure to say the least. As far as the local Gomen is concerned, control is the key phrase.And they have an inherent distrust of anything they cannot control and manipulate. So leaving it up to volunteers to run? At this moment I do not think they have matured to that level. Eric On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nazari Mohd Hassan wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I understand your frustration and I also agree with what you've mentioned. > > Forgive me if my question has been ask before. I'm new to the group. What do > you think will happen if OSCC is taken out from MAMPU and given out to > volunteers to manage? > > Thanks. > > محمد نازاري محمد حسن > چيبرجاي > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Eric Yeoh wrote: >> >> As Kage would say, "define competent". >> >> We do have competent people over here at OSCC but they are forced to >> do slides and speeches for politicians so that they will look good and >> forced to sit through inane and mind numbing marathon meetings! >> >> Sadly it seems nobody in the entire MAMPU can write a little something >> or anything on FOSS or tech. >> >> The Government has tried to do something by setting up a centre. But >> you know what? Most if not all agencies want hand holding and cuddling >> before they will try. Spoon feeding is preferred. >> >> Can't they just pick it up? If they can find the most obscure music >> video on Youtube and mp3 ringtones and porn out there on the Net, are >> they trying to say that they cannot find info on how to manage the >> Centos server? Bullocks! Have they even tried printing out the free as >> in cost Centos/RHEL manuals that are available on the web? >> >> It goes back to the whole point of people complaining that they do not >> have support. >> >> If they cannot even pick up the fracking phone and call up a vendor >> and ask for help, then they are already beyond help. No point as they >> say trying to whip a dead horse! >> >> Fact is, I am ashamed to say, many (I must stress not all!) in the >> civil service are just too lazy and not motivated to do anything of >> substance. I am too anak Malaysia, but the many whining and complaints >> from the civil service is just too hard to tahan. >> >> Eric >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:32 PM, red1 wrote: >> > >> > This is where we feel the government should come up with such a center >> > run by FOSS competent ppl. >> > >> > Why the govt? Because no one else will do it. Not IBM, not MS, not USA, >> > not those mostly vendor driven interests. Only NGO, non-profit interest >> > matters here. No fast profit returns are expected for any govt funding. >> > Problem is i dont know of any such funding. >> > >> > i dah baca semua borang dari Technofund sehingga MOSTI grant, semua >> > minta business case. Tiada satu pun berikan lowering of licensing cost >> > for rakyat case. >> > >> > saifuladli ismail wrote: >> >> basically who will manage the center. I mean one stop center for OSS >> >> problem complaints. I don't have experiences in business, I can't >> >> advise!. Hope somebody in this group can give an opinion and advise to >> >> solve below problems. >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
Hi Eric, I understand your frustration and I also agree with what you've mentioned. Forgive me if my question has been ask before. I'm new to the group. What do you think will happen if OSCC is taken out from MAMPU and given out to volunteers to manage? Thanks. محمد نازاري محمد حسن چيبرجاي On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Eric Yeoh wrote: > > As Kage would say, "define competent". > > We do have competent people over here at OSCC but they are forced to > do slides and speeches for politicians so that they will look good and > forced to sit through inane and mind numbing marathon meetings! > > Sadly it seems nobody in the entire MAMPU can write a little something > or anything on FOSS or tech. > > The Government has tried to do something by setting up a centre. But > you know what? Most if not all agencies want hand holding and cuddling > before they will try. Spoon feeding is preferred. > > Can't they just pick it up? If they can find the most obscure music > video on Youtube and mp3 ringtones and porn out there on the Net, are > they trying to say that they cannot find info on how to manage the > Centos server? Bullocks! Have they even tried printing out the free as > in cost Centos/RHEL manuals that are available on the web? > > It goes back to the whole point of people complaining that they do not > have support. > > If they cannot even pick up the fracking phone and call up a vendor > and ask for help, then they are already beyond help. No point as they > say trying to whip a dead horse! > > Fact is, I am ashamed to say, many (I must stress not all!) in the > civil service are just too lazy and not motivated to do anything of > substance. I am too anak Malaysia, but the many whining and complaints > from the civil service is just too hard to tahan. > > Eric > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:32 PM, red1 wrote: > > > > This is where we feel the government should come up with such a center > > run by FOSS competent ppl. > > > > Why the govt? Because no one else will do it. Not IBM, not MS, not USA, > > not those mostly vendor driven interests. Only NGO, non-profit interest > > matters here. No fast profit returns are expected for any govt funding. > > Problem is i dont know of any such funding. > > > > i dah baca semua borang dari Technofund sehingga MOSTI grant, semua > > minta business case. Tiada satu pun berikan lowering of licensing cost > > for rakyat case. > > > > saifuladli ismail wrote: > >> basically who will manage the center. I mean one stop center for OSS > >> problem complaints. I don't have experiences in business, I can't > >> advise!. Hope somebody in this group can give an opinion and advise to > >> solve below problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
As Kage would say, "define competent". We do have competent people over here at OSCC but they are forced to do slides and speeches for politicians so that they will look good and forced to sit through inane and mind numbing marathon meetings! Sadly it seems nobody in the entire MAMPU can write a little something or anything on FOSS or tech. The Government has tried to do something by setting up a centre. But you know what? Most if not all agencies want hand holding and cuddling before they will try. Spoon feeding is preferred. Can't they just pick it up? If they can find the most obscure music video on Youtube and mp3 ringtones and porn out there on the Net, are they trying to say that they cannot find info on how to manage the Centos server? Bullocks! Have they even tried printing out the free as in cost Centos/RHEL manuals that are available on the web? It goes back to the whole point of people complaining that they do not have support. If they cannot even pick up the fracking phone and call up a vendor and ask for help, then they are already beyond help. No point as they say trying to whip a dead horse! Fact is, I am ashamed to say, many (I must stress not all!) in the civil service are just too lazy and not motivated to do anything of substance. I am too anak Malaysia, but the many whining and complaints from the civil service is just too hard to tahan. Eric On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:32 PM, red1 wrote: > > This is where we feel the government should come up with such a center > run by FOSS competent ppl. > > Why the govt? Because no one else will do it. Not IBM, not MS, not USA, > not those mostly vendor driven interests. Only NGO, non-profit interest > matters here. No fast profit returns are expected for any govt funding. > Problem is i dont know of any such funding. > > i dah baca semua borang dari Technofund sehingga MOSTI grant, semua > minta business case. Tiada satu pun berikan lowering of licensing cost > for rakyat case. > > saifuladli ismail wrote: >> basically who will manage the center. I mean one stop center for OSS >> problem complaints. I don't have experiences in business, I can't >> advise!. Hope somebody in this group can give an opinion and advise to >> solve below problems. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
This is where we feel the government should come up with such a center run by FOSS competent ppl. Why the govt? Because no one else will do it. Not IBM, not MS, not USA, not those mostly vendor driven interests. Only NGO, non-profit interest matters here. No fast profit returns are expected for any govt funding. Problem is i dont know of any such funding. i dah baca semua borang dari Technofund sehingga MOSTI grant, semua minta business case. Tiada satu pun berikan lowering of licensing cost for rakyat case. saifuladli ismail wrote: > basically who will manage the center. I mean one stop center for OSS > problem complaints. I don't have experiences in business, I can't > advise!. Hope somebody in this group can give an opinion and advise to > solve below problems. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
basically who will manage the center. I mean one stop center for OSS problem complaints. I don't have experiences in business, I can't advise!. Hope somebody in this group can give an opinion and advise to solve below problems. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel < linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu > tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows > server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one > thing. > > Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to > support issses. > > We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them. > > They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a > single point of contact. > > Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory > listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get > more information about Open Source where and who they can get help... > > RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We > talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our > ignorance or let say it. Our egos... > > We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them... > > We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone > calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep > customers still interest. We need marketing and sales team virtually > in our OSS community. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
bro, dont think this is support issue...thyey can always ring us for help/guide. This is not the case of throwing towel either. I guess this is a matter of influences and preferences. Is it too late untuk diselamatkan??? MM On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel < linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu > tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows > server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one > thing. > > Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to > support issses. > > We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them. > > They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a > single point of contact. > > Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory > listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get > more information about Open Source where and who they can get help... > > RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We > talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our > ignorance or let say it. Our egos... > > We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them... > > We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone > calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep > customers still interest. We need marketing and sales team virtually > in our OSS community. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
Thanks Marcus. it's a good idea. I want to deal with audio/video live and on demand solutions. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC5A1B11965D43C5C On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Marcus wrote: > Hi Hasanuddin, > > You can deploy your solution on VMware on Windows Server if its linux based. > If they ask why, you say "This is virtualization in action, fully > supported by Windows Server" > If its PHP based app, just load in the WAMP package on Windows, works the > same. > > > Marcus. > > > Hasanuddin Abu Bakar wrote: > > I am completely agree with Marcus, they rather run Win Server for > various reasons. I just deal a project from a Malaysian broadcasting > company for a few solutions. The deal came smoothly but I got a few > words from the sysadmin, "You must do them on Windows Server because I > don't know Linux"... I rather choose Linux for the base because of > hardware's drivers and sotfwares. So how do you think? any suggestion > to deal with him? > > > > > > > Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > --- > Ubuntu embedded developer/tester > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut > > Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org > > PGP Public Key > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC5A1B11965D43C5C > > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Marcus wrote: > > > Welcome to the other real world. > You have to face it, for most normal IT admins today, they have so much > to do, they rather run Win Server of which any SI companies are able to > support > and of which the features are rock solid. When something screws up, its > bound to be in the knowledge base of MSDN and fixes are already in > Autoupdate. > Digging forums is a complete waste of time unless its your hobby or > personal interest in the project, at the end if someone has to pay, they > don't really care > if its open source or not, after all, how many are programmers at heart > or have time to even look at the source codes. In Windows, when you ask > for support > if this guy can't do it, there are thousands lining up to serve you and > each with a low price, as an end user or Admin you get the power to choose. > > What is FREE initially, might not be cheaper in bottom line. > Read : > http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1332528,00.html > Read the attached pdf of a study of Windows Server vs RedHat cost in > near years running, *yeah its sounds bias, but then it always does when > ur on the other side > > From what i've seen, Linux manages to cannabalize its own similar > corporate adoption , eg, replacing AIXs, Unix or other expensive Unix > based systems, > replacing Windows Server is hardly true, maybe in hosting companies and > that is just due to costing. I have talked to several hosting companies > in Malaysia, if SmarterMail was > cheaper, they won't even use linux even though its free, the > "proprietary" Smartermail outdone the linux qmail/postfix and support is > a breeze. (no, they don't favor Exchange even > if its becomes cheaper, qualification to manage Exchange server = high > cost). > > - cheers > > > Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: > > > Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu > tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows > server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one > thing. > > Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to > support issses. > > We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them. > > They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a > single point of contact. > > Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory > listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get > more information about Open Source where and who they can get help... > > RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We > talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our > ignorance or let say it. Our egos... > > We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them... > > We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone > calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep > customers still interest. We need marketing and sales team virtually > in our OSS community. > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
Hi Hasanuddin, You can deploy your solution on VMware on Windows Server if its linux based. If they ask why, you say "This is virtualization in action, fully supported by Windows Server" If its PHP based app, just load in the WAMP package on Windows, works the same. Marcus. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar wrote: I am completely agree with Marcus, they rather run Win Server for various reasons. I just deal a project from a Malaysian broadcasting company for a few solutions. The deal came smoothly but I got a few words from the sysadmin, "You must do them on Windows Server because I don't know Linux"... I rather choose Linux for the base because of hardware's drivers and sotfwares. So how do you think? any suggestion to deal with him? Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC5A1B11965D43C5C On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Marcus wrote: Welcome to the other real world. You have to face it, for most normal IT admins today, they have so much to do, they rather run Win Server of which any SI companies are able to support and of which the features are rock solid. When something screws up, its bound to be in the knowledge base of MSDN and fixes are already in Autoupdate. Digging forums is a complete waste of time unless its your hobby or personal interest in the project, at the end if someone has to pay, they don't really care if its open source or not, after all, how many are programmers at heart or have time to even look at the source codes. In Windows, when you ask for support if this guy can't do it, there are thousands lining up to serve you and each with a low price, as an end user or Admin you get the power to choose. What is FREE initially, might not be cheaper in bottom line. Read : http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1332528,00.html Read the attached pdf of a study of Windows Server vs RedHat cost in near years running, *yeah its sounds bias, but then it always does when ur on the other side From what i've seen, Linux manages to cannabalize its own similar corporate adoption , eg, replacing AIXs, Unix or other expensive Unix based systems, replacing Windows Server is hardly true, maybe in hosting companies and that is just due to costing. I have talked to several hosting companies in Malaysia, if SmarterMail was cheaper, they won't even use linux even though its free, the "proprietary" Smartermail outdone the linux qmail/postfix and support is a breeze. (no, they don't favor Exchange even if its becomes cheaper, qualification to manage Exchange server = high cost). - cheers Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one thing. Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to support issses. We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them. They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a single point of contact. Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get more information about Open Source where and who they can get help... RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our ignorance or let say it. Our egos... We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them... We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep customers still interest. We need marketing and sales team virtually in our OSS community. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution
I am completely agree with Marcus, they rather run Win Server for various reasons. I just deal a project from a Malaysian broadcasting company for a few solutions. The deal came smoothly but I got a few words from the sysadmin, "You must do them on Windows Server because I don't know Linux"... I rather choose Linux for the base because of hardware's drivers and sotfwares. So how do you think? any suggestion to deal with him? Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC5A1B11965D43C5C On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Marcus wrote: > Welcome to the other real world. > You have to face it, for most normal IT admins today, they have so much > to do, they rather run Win Server of which any SI companies are able to > support > and of which the features are rock solid. When something screws up, its > bound to be in the knowledge base of MSDN and fixes are already in > Autoupdate. > Digging forums is a complete waste of time unless its your hobby or > personal interest in the project, at the end if someone has to pay, they > don't really care > if its open source or not, after all, how many are programmers at heart > or have time to even look at the source codes. In Windows, when you ask > for support > if this guy can't do it, there are thousands lining up to serve you and > each with a low price, as an end user or Admin you get the power to choose. > > What is FREE initially, might not be cheaper in bottom line. > Read : > http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1332528,00.html > Read the attached pdf of a study of Windows Server vs RedHat cost in > near years running, *yeah its sounds bias, but then it always does when > ur on the other side > > From what i've seen, Linux manages to cannabalize its own similar > corporate adoption , eg, replacing AIXs, Unix or other expensive Unix > based systems, > replacing Windows Server is hardly true, maybe in hosting companies and > that is just due to costing. I have talked to several hosting companies > in Malaysia, if SmarterMail was > cheaper, they won't even use linux even though its free, the > "proprietary" Smartermail outdone the linux qmail/postfix and support is > a breeze. (no, they don't favor Exchange even > if its becomes cheaper, qualification to manage Exchange server = high > cost). > > - cheers > > > Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: >> Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu >> tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows >> server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one >> thing. >> >> Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to >> support issses. >> >> We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them. >> >> They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a >> single point of contact. >> >> Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory >> listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get >> more information about Open Source where and who they can get help... >> >> RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We >> talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our >> ignorance or let say it. Our egos... >> >> We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them... >> >> We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone >> calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep >> customers still interest. We need marketing and sales team virtually >> in our OSS community. >> >> > >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
