Re: [OSList] Thought for the day
Thank you Paul! On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:22 PM, paul levy via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Thought for the day: When facilitators are gentle, inept, a bit lost, but relaxed, the space usually opens wonderfully. warm wishes Paul Levy ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search
Thanks Amanda, Daniel, Suzanne, Koos, Gail, I am basking, thanks so much for your appreciations. I must also admit to feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable that the really long archive outage happened on my watch :-( But I'm deeply grateful to this community for continuing to practice, teach, and learn Open Space. The OSList very much aligns with, and has informed, my life purpose and mission. Long Live the OSList! Your /saburau /(servant), Harold On 3/24/15 11:20 PM, Amanda Bucklow wrote: Harold, you are a marvel! I hope you are basking in the well earned appreciation of all of us for creating such a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom. Thank you. Amanda On 24 Mar 2015, at 04:55, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you are talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers search to clicking a dozen times. http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* Thanks, Jeff -- Support The Mail Archive www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/ ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Death, Grief and Birth in Open Space
Dang, Daniel, wow... We're all /ronin/ here! Wave-people. Not everyone knows that there were women as well as men samurai. In the two kanji symbols for ronin, 浪人, the second symbol is man, person, or people. For example, 日本人, means Japanese person. First symbol is Sun, second is Origin, third is Person. Person of the land of the rising sun. The first symbol in /ronin/, means wave, but it can also mean wasteful, or wreckless. So /ronin/ can also mean hobo or vagabond. Or hippie :-) Harold On 3/24/15 8:33 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: ... A ronin was a masterless samuri during the feudal period (1185–1868) of Japan. A samurai became masterless from the ruin or fall of his master, or after the loss of his master’s favor or privilege. Since a ronin doesn’t serve any lord, he is no longer a samurai. A samurai is a “servant”, since the noun came from the verb “/saburau/” which is the Japanese for “to serve”.*The word **/ronin/**literally means “wave man”* – one who is tossed about, as on the waves in the sea... Daniel -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 49, Issue 21
send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book:The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/Community. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20150324/e15f903d/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 05:20:43 + From: Amanda Bucklow via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com,World wide Open Space Technology email listoslist@lists.openspacetech.org Subject: Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search Message-ID: b8bf035a-a258-4b60-aa56-707e6bfca...@facilit8.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Harold, you are a marvel! I hope you are basking in the well earned appreciation of all of us for creating such a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom. Thank you. Amanda On 24 Mar 2015, at 04:55, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you are talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers search to clicking a dozen times. http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* Thanks, Jeff -- Support The Mail Archive www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20150325/f2063eb7/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:22:53 + From: paul levy via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Subject: [OSList] Thought for the day Message-ID: CAAnJsbA6etSA29DX65yg_wY_=tFCgCpVmU16q4AaX=V7m++a=a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thought for the day: When facilitators are gentle, inept, a bit lost
[OSList] Internet, Nuclear Holocaust, the Phoenix Anne Stadler
Thank you Paul for changing the subject! Your comment made me think of this rather large mural image from a stairwell in Evergreen State College, in Olympia, Washington. I discovered this image during the Art of Participatory Leadership http://www.emergingwisdom.net/AOPLWA/ workshop there last November. I grabbed the photo, part of a 1979 project there called The Dragon Wall. As I was in the area, I also visited Anne Stadler to get more of the creation story of the Open Space community, especially around the amazing Spirited Work project which was a 6 year practice 1999-2005 of living in Open Space 24/7/365, and including a quarterly multi-day Open Space Technology event near Seattle: http://www.collectivewisdominitiative.org/papers/stadler_reflections.htm The nuclear phoenix image inspired some of what Anne and I spoke about. I video taped most of her reflections, which I hope to make available at a future date. The interesting thing about the Internet was that it was created to survive a nuclear holocaust. The Internet is designed to be multiply redundant and decentralized so that information can be automatically rerouted, even if massive segments fail. I recall many nuclear explosion nightmares from the 1980's onward when I was old enough to really understand the annihilation we were facing. In many ways, that threat is still there, though perhaps morphed into financial collapse, climate catastrophe, and a technological robotics nightmare apocalypse. Or maybe just completely losing any sense of knowing what comes next. In some ways, I wonder about Open Space Technology being a child of the Cold War, and having a similar level of redundancy and resilience as the Internet. And being able to help us through this global civilization passage rite (thank you Daniel Mezick for that understanding!) But I think Paul may be on to something. If we burned all our OSList records, I sense indeed that Open Space would very much rise again like a Phoenix. Perhaps we can metaphorically do so - without actually encouraging barbarian hoards and similar groups that burned the ancient libraries in Alexandria, or torched Willhelm Reich's research studies in the 1950's, etc. Paul's musings on remaking Open Space Technology fresh and new inspires me greatly - and I believe his thinking will be very much part of the next phase of Open Space. Highly recommend folks check him out! https://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/treasures/open-space-realm/ Harold http://www.collectivewisdominitiative.org/papers/stadler_reflections.htm On 3/25/15 2:49 PM, paul levy wrote: Am I the only one who thinks we should burn the whole lot and make a Phoenix ? Yours Paul On Tuesday, 24 March 2015, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search
Harold bows silently, hands folded, in deep gratitude to his revered teacher ... while praying people will engage with Harold's other recent messages requests. On 3/25/15 3:30 PM, Harrison via OSList wrote: On the off chance that it could be really significant, if not to the larger community of /Homo sapiens, /then to us alone... either way, I’m thankful. And Thank You, Harold! Harrison -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search
Paul – the idea (Phoenix burning) is appealing. Something about letting Go! And yet... Winnie ( I do believe) once said (something to the effect) that “Those who do not learn from their history will be forced to repeat it.” Rough quote to be sure, but there is a wisdom there, I do believe. The conversations we have held (and are still holding!) range from the sublime to the totally ridiculous. But it is all part of our common journey. As an artifact of the Human Journey, it is doubtless a blip along the way. But then again... On the off chance that it could be really significant, if not to the larger community of Homo sapiens, then to us alone... either way, I’m thankful. And Thank You, Harold! Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of paul levy via OSList Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:49 PM To: Harold Shinsato; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search Am I the only one who thinks we should burn the whole lot and make a Phoenix ? Yours Paul On Tuesday, 24 March 2015, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you are talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers search to clicking a dozen times. http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* q=date%3A1996* Thanks, Jeff -- Support The Mail Archive www.mail-archive.com ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search
I am with Michael on this one… blush away Harold, just blush and beam away! It is an endearing quality :-) it happens a lot to servant leaders. And I have learnt a new word which sounds honourable: saburau. Your gifts continue. Amanda On 25 Mar 2015, at 17:58, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Thanks Amanda, Daniel, Suzanne, Koos, Gail, I am basking, thanks so much for your appreciations. I must also admit to feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable that the really long archive outage happened on my watch :-( But I'm deeply grateful to this community for continuing to practice, teach, and learn Open Space. The OSList very much aligns with, and has informed, my life purpose and mission. Long Live the OSList! Your saburau (servant), Harold On 3/24/15 11:20 PM, Amanda Bucklow wrote: Harold, you are a marvel! I hope you are basking in the well earned appreciation of all of us for creating such a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom. Thank you. Amanda On 24 Mar 2015, at 04:55, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you are talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers search to clicking a dozen times. http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* Thanks, Jeff -- Support The Mail Archive www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com http://shinsato.com/ twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search
Am I the only one who thinks we should burn the whole lot and make a Phoenix ? Yours Paul On Tuesday, 24 March 2015, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you are talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers search to clicking a dozen times. http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* Thanks, Jeff -- Support The Mail Archive www.mail-archive.com ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search
Amen! A deep bow to you Harold. Peggy _ Peggy Holman Executive Director Journalism that Matters 15347 SE 49th Place Bellevue, WA 98006 425-746-6274 www.journalismthatmatters.net www.peggyholman.com Twitter: @peggyholman JTM Twitter: @JTMStream Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity http://www.engagingemergence.com/ Check out my series on what's emerging in the news information ecosystem http://www.journalismthatmatters.net/the_emerging_news_and_information_eco_system On Mar 25, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Michael Herman via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: you can feel as embarrassed or uncomfortable as you like, harold. won't change the fact that the archives ONLY still exist at all because YOU took responsibility for their care! -- Michael Herman Michael Herman Associates 312-280-7838 (mobile) http://MichaelHerman.com http://michaelherman.com/ http://OpenSpaceWorld.org http://openspaceworld.org/ On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Thanks Amanda, Daniel, Suzanne, Koos, Gail, I am basking, thanks so much for your appreciations. I must also admit to feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable that the really long archive outage happened on my watch :-( But I'm deeply grateful to this community for continuing to practice, teach, and learn Open Space. The OSList very much aligns with, and has informed, my life purpose and mission. Long Live the OSList! Your saburau (servant), Harold On 3/24/15 11:20 PM, Amanda Bucklow wrote: Harold, you are a marvel! I hope you are basking in the well earned appreciation of all of us for creating such a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom. Thank you. Amanda On 24 Mar 2015, at 04:55, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you are talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers search to clicking a dozen times. http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* Thanks, Jeff -- Support The Mail Archive www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com http://shinsato.com/ twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search
Love the idea. My old school went thru some serious troubles for a few years and one faculty member, a jungian feminist therapist and artist, finally set up a papermaking studio in the parking lot. We mulched thousands of paper memos that had flown around our mailboxes (it was years ago) and with it created a huge sculpture Phoenix for the stairwell. It was very gratifying. Jeff Original message From: paul levy via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Date:03/25/2015 1:49 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com,World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Subject: Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search Am I the only one who thinks we should burn the whole lot and make a Phoenix ? Yours Paul On Tuesday, 24 March 2015, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages. Regards, Harold Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you are talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers search to clicking a dozen times. http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996* Thanks, Jeff -- Support The Mail Archive www.mail-archive.com___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more
Interesting idea. And I’ve never known Grief (dying, birthing) to happen on a schedule. Seems to happen when it happens. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of agusj via OSList Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:16 PM To: Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more Hello, Continuing with my last post, I want to share some new reflections about the OS process. If we interpret the first day of a three-day OS event like the death process that organizations need in order to letting go the past, to open space for the emergent future possibilities, would it be better to dedicate less time to the death process in comparison with the time we devote for the birth process? I know that grief is important and needs time, but I think that it is more constructive to focus in the future that could emerge. Assuming this, do you think that it would be a good idea reduce the first day to half day and shorten the time slots to 30 minutes, in order to accelerate the death process? The first agenda would be established for this half day. With this, the group has almost the same number of conversations, although these are shorter. To close this first half day elegantly, you do it with a closing circle. In this way, the group have one day and a half to the creative process and this phase would start with an opening circle and a new agenda. Make sense? Warm regards, Agustin _ From: Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring adri...@diazberrio.com To: agusj agusjs2...@yahoo.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Cc: Suzanne Daigle sdaig...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more Hi Agustin: I Like this book theory U I don,t think that I understand it very well but I am living mi self this process of letting go and letting come new things because I was in Montreal for seven years and now I live in Mexico again but in a new city called Queretaro. I will be facilitating an OS for the pschology students congress of the UCO_Mondragon university. I am exited to do it. But yes every time explaining OS confronts me with this aspect that people need to let go to their old model before they accept to try this new one option. I am also having the same difficulties with the other approach I use calle Groupe de codéveloppement profesionel based on experiential learning and group interaction. It is also based on the idea that a group has a collective intelligence that is bigger when we talk together. I would like to share this method with people from this list. If someone wants to know more and to have a first experience I would like to offer a free on line session. I need minimum 3 people and maximum 5. It takes 2 hours. This method for me is very powerful and could be complementary with an OS event . Contact me if you want to know more! Thank you for sharing this good ideas and experiences! Adriana 2015-03-23 21:34 GMT-06:00 agusj via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org: Hello Suzanne and all, The challenge is how to get from “here” to “there”. Letting go the old ways of doing things, acknowledging the futility of much that we are now doing, starting to operate from a whole new frame, almost from scratch if one considers the contrast between hierarchy and self-organization. This represents a ton of internal grief work and lots of trial and error. Wonderful and provocative thought. I had the opportunity and the privelege of participating in the ULab led by Otto Sharmer some weeks ago. In my humble opinion, U Theory has 2 concepts that are in line with this conversation about death and birth. They are letting go and letting come. You have to letting go the past in order to letting come the emergent future. I compare this letting go with the death process you are talking about, and the letting come with the birth process respectively. I would dare say that these both processes are also present in OS. In the last year, I have facilitated 3 three-day OS events and what I have observed is that the first day is for catharsis, and is only after that, that the group can overcome the past and is ready to letting come the emergent future in the second day. I think that this letting come is possible, because OS propitiates the conditions for presencing, that happens at the bottom of the U, and this is the point where you
Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more
For me, to honor the poignant messy beauty of the grief cycle, the differences in individual experiences of the timing, and the mystery of 'crossing the open space' into a readiness to create anew, I'd be personally hesitant to try to speed it up by design. In my experience, two day OST meetings have crossed the open space by the middle of the second day and folks are ready to fly into action together. However this did leave the 'action' phase less time than optimal probably. These were the days before good pre-work : ) Note these were Americans and cultural differences may give different dynamics. And people may be better at it nowadays, or not. I assume that hosting space for depth in the grief work allows people to go farther together when they reach the other side. OST supports the cycle to take its own shape as it needs. Jeff Original message From: Harrison via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Date:03/25/2015 4:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: 'agusj' agusjs2...@yahoo.com,'World wide Open Space Technology email list' oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Subject: Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more Interesting idea. And I’ve never known Grief (dying, birthing) to happen on a schedule. Seems to happen when it happens. Harrison Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093 Summer Address 189 Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261 Websites www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of agusj via OSList Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:16 PM To: Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more Hello, Continuing with my last post, I want to share some new reflections about the OS process. If we interpret the first day of a three-day OS event like the death process that organizations need in order to letting go the past, to open space for the emergent future possibilities, would it be better to dedicate less time to the death process in comparison with the time we devote for the birth process? I know that grief is important and needs time, but I think that it is more constructive to focus in the future that could emerge. Assuming this, do you think that it would be a good idea reduce the first day to half day and shorten the time slots to 30 minutes, in order to accelerate the death process? The first agenda would be established for this half day. With this, the group has almost the same number of conversations, although these are shorter. To close this first half day elegantly, you do it with a closing circle. In this way, the group have one day and a half to the creative process and this phase would start with an opening circle and a new agenda. Make sense? Warm regards, Agustin From: Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring adri...@diazberrio.com To: agusj agusjs2...@yahoo.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Cc: Suzanne Daigle sdaig...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more Hi Agustin: I Like this book theory U I don,t think that I understand it very well but I am living mi self this process of letting go and letting come new things because I was in Montreal for seven years and now I live in Mexico again but in a new city called Queretaro. I will be facilitating an OS for the pschology students congress of the UCO_Mondragon university. I am exited to do it. But yes every time explaining OS confronts me with this aspect that people need to let go to their old model before they accept to try this new one option. I am also having the same difficulties with the other approach I use calle Groupe de codéveloppement profesionel based on experiential learning and group interaction. It is also based on the idea that a group has a collective intelligence that is bigger when we talk together. I would like to share this method with people from this list. If someone wants to know more and to have a first experience I would like to offer a free on line session. I need minimum 3 people and maximum 5. It takes 2 hours. This method for me is very powerful and could be complementary with an OS event . Contact me if you want to know more! Thank you for sharing this good ideas and experiences! Adriana 2015-03-23 21:34 GMT-06:00 agusj via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org: Hello Suzanne and all, The challenge is how to get from “here” to “there”. Letting go the old ways of doing things, acknowledging the futility of much that we are now doing, starting to operate from a whole new frame, almost from scratch if
Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more
Hello, Continuing with my last post, I want to share some new reflections about the OS process. If we interpret the first day of a three-day OS event like the death process that organizations need in order to letting go the past, to open space for the emergent future possibilities, would it be better to dedicate less time to the death process in comparison with the time we devote for the birth process? I know that grief is important and needs time, but I think that it is more constructive to focus in the future that could emerge. Assuming this, do you think that it would be a good idea reduce the first day to half day and shorten the time slots to 30 minutes, in order to accelerate the death process? The first agenda would be established for this half day. With this, the group has almost the same number of conversations, although these are shorter. To close this first half day elegantly, you do it with a closing circle. In this way, the group have one day and a half to the creative process and this phase would start with an opening circle and a new agenda. Make sense? Warm regards, Agustin From: Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring adri...@diazberrio.com To: agusj agusjs2...@yahoo.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Cc: Suzanne Daigle sdaig...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [OSList] From here to there... less is more Hi Agustin: I Like this book theory U I don,t think that I understand it very well but I am living mi self this process of letting go and letting come new things because I was in Montreal for seven years and now I live in Mexico again but in a new city called Queretaro. I will be facilitating an OS for the pschology students congress of the UCO_Mondragon university. I am exited to do it. But yes every time explaining OS confronts me with this aspect that people need to let go to their old model before they accept to try this new one option. I am also having the same difficulties with the other approach I use calle Groupe de codéveloppement profesionel based on experiential learning and group interaction. It is also based on the idea that a group has a collective intelligence that is bigger when we talk together. I would like to share this method with people from this list. If someone wants to know more and to have a first experience I would like to offer a free on line session. I need minimum 3 people and maximum 5. It takes 2 hours. This method for me is very powerful and could be complementary with an OS event . Contact me if you want to know more! Thank you for sharing this good ideas and experiences! Adriana 2015-03-23 21:34 GMT-06:00 agusj via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org: Hello Suzanne and all, The challenge is how to get from “here” to “there”. Letting go the old ways of doing things, acknowledging the futility of much that we are now doing, starting to operate from a whole new frame, almost from scratch if one considers the contrast between hierarchy and self-organization. This represents a ton of internal grief work and lots of trial and error. Wonderful and provocative thought. I had the opportunity and the privelege of participating in the ULab led by Otto Sharmer some weeks ago. In my humble opinion, U Theory has 2 concepts that are in line with this conversation about death and birth. They are letting go and letting come. You have to letting go the past in order to letting come the emergent future. I compare this letting go with the death process you are talking about, and the letting come with the birth process respectively. I would dare say that these both processes are also present in OS. In the last year, I have facilitated 3 three-day OS events and what I have observed is that the first day is for catharsis, and is only after that, that the group can overcome the past and is ready to letting come the emergent future in the second day. I think that this letting come is possible, because OS propitiates the conditions for presencing, that happens at the bottom of the U, and this is the point where you connect to your inner source of inspiration and will. I am eager to hear your ideas about this connection I have found between U Theory and OS. Agustin From: Suzanne Daigle via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: OSLIST OSList@lists.openspacetech.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 7:07 AM Subject: [OSList] From here to there... less is more Harrison and all, I had the opportunity to visit some companies lately that had the stirrings of self-organization. One of them, Sun Hydraulics, was among the 12 organizations featured in Frederic Laloux’s book: Reinventing Organizations. And as luck would have it, Doug Kirkpatrick of Morning Star (another Laloux company) was touring with me. The other companies I visited were not at the same level but in their heart and actions, I knew they were heading in
[OSList] Archives
[Hello, dear colleagues - as your current OSLIST Poet Laureate, I have some collected wisdom to show you back to yourselves. ‘Found Poetry’ as inspired by our late great colleague and past OSLIST Poet Laureate, Ms. Laurel Doersam. This poem made possible by… and in honor of… the OSLIST Archives. With a deep bow to the lovely, dedicated, creative and hardworking … you know who…] - Lisa Heft ___ Archives ___ The list started in December 1996. We were truly pioneers! You can archive all the past traffic on the list. Your OSLIST legacy is preserved and will always be accessible. An accessible archive. That's really important to me. The archives are very awesome. Such a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom. Dive into the archives of this list and weave together some of the amazing insights that arise. I remember reading back through something like four years of pioneering conversations as I began to explore Open Space. I could easily get lost in them reading and savoring them. An old post on flocking and self organization. http://www.red3d.com/cwr/boids/ If nothing else, it helps me understand why OST participants never run into each other. Cool...that's one of my favorite links of all time actually. I just killed five minutes staring at those little guys moving around. Lovely. And it is all searchable. Since December 1996. The great gift of all these archives. Let's see if it archives this message. __ by Amanda Bucklow, Chris Corrigan, Lisa Heft, Michael Herman, Peggy Holman, Daniel Mezick, Murli Nagasundaram and Artur Silva ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
[OSList] Thought for the day
Thought for the day: When facilitators are gentle, inept, a bit lost, but relaxed, the space usually opens wonderfully. warm wishes Paul Levy ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Archives
Thanks Lisa, I really love your found poetry! And it did show up in the archives. To help navigate the archives - I found an advanced search function that allows you to search by date and other bells and whistles. http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=a=1 I found the above link by clicking on the Search button without putting any text in the search box. If you do that - the advanced search link shows up on the page to the right. Found a poem and posts from 9/11/2001: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org/msg05080.html http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist%40lists.openspacetech.org/msg05104.html Happy Searching, Harold On 3/25/15 6:44 PM, Lisa Heft - via OSList wrote: [Hello, dear colleagues - as your current OSLIST Poet Laureate, I have some collected wisdom to show you back to yourselves. ‘Found Poetry’ as inspired by our late great colleague and past OSLIST Poet Laureate, Ms. Laurel Doersam. This poem made possible by… and in honor of… the OSLIST Archives. With a deep bow to the lovely, dedicated, creative and hardworking … you know who…] - Lisa Heft ___ *Archives* ___ The list started in December 1996. We were truly pioneers! You can archive all the past traffic on the list. Your OSLIST legacy is preserved and will always be accessible. An accessible archive. That's really important to me. The archives are very awesome. Such a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom. Dive into the archives of this list and weave together some of the amazing insights that arise. I remember reading back through something like four years of pioneering conversations as I began to explore Open Space. I could easily get lost in them reading and savoring them. An old post on flocking and self organization. http://www.red3d.com/cwr/boids/ If nothing else, it helps me understand why OST participants never run into each other. Cool...that's one of my favorite links of all time actually. I just killed five minutes staring at those little guys moving around. Lovely. And it is all searchable. Since December 1996. The great gift of all these archives. Let's see if it archives this message. __ /by Amanda Bucklow, Chris Corrigan, Lisa Heft, Michael Herman, Peggy Holman, Daniel Mezick, Murli Nagasundaram and Artur Silva / ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com mailto:har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
