Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[DotNet Dude]

Nah it's still there, go to google and type "find chuck norris" and
hit the I'm feeling lucky button. You had me scared there for a
moment. :p

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Arjang Assadi  wrote:
> Silverlight is like Chuck Norris, Nobody kills silverlight,
> silverlight kills them all!
>
> The chuck norris google hack has disapeared!
>
> Regards
>
> Arjang
>
>
> On 22 September 2010 15:11, David Kean  wrote:
>> Scott is one of those people who likes to say things just to get attention. 
>> You also need to remember that he's a salesman. When he was selling 
>> Silverlight, Silverlight was the God, when he's no longer at Microsoft; 
>> Silverlight sucks. (Hmm...I think I've heard this before - 
>> http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2010/02/index.html))
>>
>> Silverlight isn't going away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Richard Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:48 PM
>> To: ozDotNet
>> Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?
>>
>> On a side note,I have read about the ethos at Microsoft that they have teams 
>> battle it out for technologies such as LinqToSQL and Entity framework etc.
>>
>> Just been digging around and stumbled on this forum topic on Channel9: 
>> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/572877-Silverlight--HTML5-and-WPF
>>
>> Nothing more than some people stirring up the honeypot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 2:40 PM
>> To: ozDotNet
>> Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?
>>
>> Microsoft is a very big company. Some people there prefer Silverlight, some 
>> prefer HTML5. There is no evidence that Silverlight is not being invested in 
>> going forward.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
>>> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some
>>> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to
>>> support HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the
>>> least. Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release
>>> Windows phone7 which uses Silverlight.
>>> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>
>>
>

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[David Kean]

Here's a good post by Nick Kramer on the subject: 
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/nickkramer/archive/2010/09/11/how-does-silverlight-compatibility-work.aspx


-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:22 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

That's also not correct (SLR has always been a build of the CLR). Quirks mode 
was added so that we don't break applications built against previous versions 
when we make changes or fix bugs. An example of this recently was when my team 
fixed a bug in Stream in 4.0 that caused a couple of Silverlight 2 & 3 apps to 
break because they were relying on the old (buggy) behavior. The old behavior 
kicks in when we see an app built against an earlier version. It has nothing to 
do with the runtime.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:00 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

The quirks mode is only due to Silverlight 4 switching over to the CLR instead 
of the SLR, which also raises a point that you can bake your own version 
selection tool via registry hack(s) to give it a kind of fake-quasi-poor-mans 
side by side version.

Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> That post is a little incorrect. Silverlight is always in-place 
> release - we never support side-by-side versions. However, we do have 
> quirks mode that allows Silverlight 2 apps to run under Silverlight 4 
> for example and maintain Silverlight 2 behavior.
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Tiang Cheng
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:57 PM
>
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
>
>
> Paul Stovell has a post about the future of silverlight, along with 
> info on how updates will be handled with Microsoft.
>
>
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/silverlight-is-ie6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Eddie de Bear
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:58 PM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
>
>
> Oh, and from the Silverlight blog..
>
>
>
> http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/the-future-of-silverlight/
>
> It just covers the innovate/standardize cycle..
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Eddie de Bear 
> 
> wrote:
>
> I think a lot of this has come about from a blog post by Scott 
> Barnes.. It pretty much sums up what he has heard.
>
>
>
> The summary is:
>
> Windows Team are "dominant" inside Microsoft
>
> Windows Team prefer unmanaged code, so anything .Net really isn't 
> viewed in a good light
>
> The Dev Team (Scott Guthrie) are pushing WPF/Silverlight
>
> HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript can do pretty cool things and are cross 
> platform, tech independent.
>
>
>
> Does this mean Silverlight is dead? Nope.. I don't think so. I suspect 
> that Silverlight will continue to exist as it will be able to evolve 
> faster than future versions of standards (HTML5 has been in the works for how 
> long?).
>
>
>
> This also applies to flash.. Flash and Silverlight will continue to be 
> the forefront of new things on the web, but new features will be taken 
> from both and get added to future versions of HTML.
>
>
>
> Well, that's how I see the world :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
>
> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some 
> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to 
> support HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the 
> least. Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release 
> Windows phone7 which uses Silverlight.
>
>
>
> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
>
> --
>
> EDDIE DE BEAR
>
> Mob: 0417066315
> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
> Skype: eddiedebear
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> EDDIE DE BEAR
>
> Mob: 0417066315
> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
> Skype: eddiedebear
>
>

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Scott Barnes]

Sorry, will take it offline.

Regards,

Scott Barnes

http://www.riagenic.com



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
> David with glasses? the one who falls asleep allot after 1x beer?
> aren't you a tester or something?
>
> Urrh, can this stuff be kept offlist please? -- Greg
>
>

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Greg Keogh]

David with glasses? the one who falls asleep allot after 1x beer?
aren't you a tester or something?

Urrh, can this stuff be kept offlist please? -- Greg

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[silky]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Scott Barnes  wrote:
> David with glasses? the one who falls asleep allot after 1x beer?
> aren't you a tester or something?
>
> Anyway, I am more than happy to openly debate and discuss my opinions
> / remarks but i think the attack posture you took was misguided and
> definitely not accurate assessment of the situation. Geek fame is
> over-rated and i make zero profit off having this attention if
> anything it could have the opposite effect - I only traveled down this
> path as it puts ? above peoples heads around the WPF/Silverlight
> future(s), casts a bright light onto the Windows team and their
> behavior and actually puts the DevDiv marketing team(s) on notice.

Please, say something directly useful or take it off list (or on your blog)?


> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com

-- 
silky

http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy
of being this signature."

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Scott Barnes]

David with glasses? the one who falls asleep allot after 1x beer?
aren't you a tester or something?

Anyway, I am more than happy to openly debate and discuss my opinions
/ remarks but i think the attack posture you took was misguided and
definitely not accurate assessment of the situation. Geek fame is
over-rated and i make zero profit off having this attention if
anything it could have the opposite effect - I only traveled down this
path as it puts ? above peoples heads around the WPF/Silverlight
future(s), casts a bright light onto the Windows team and their
behavior and actually puts the DevDiv marketing team(s) on notice.

Its fine to be a DevDiv cheer leader, whatever lights your candle, but
don't drink too much of the kool-aid, save some room for some open
constructive thinking.

Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:12 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> Actually Scott, we have met. On many occasions. You might remember a little 
> Aussie activity that your wife (and yourself) had a lot to do with on 
> Saturdays in Redmond.
>
> I'll leave the discussions on future versions of products to the marketing 
> teams. I'll avoid feeding the fire and concentrate on what we, DevDiv, does 
> best; develop great platforms.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:56 PM
> To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
> Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
> RE: David Kean.
> David, we've never meet so i'm guessing you're assuming either the worst or 
> prefer character attacks vs answering the hard questions ;) like is WPF is 
> Dead? given you have @microsoft.com how about we spend more energy in 
> clarifying the remarks instead of ad hominem attacks? - that or learn to 
> evangelize more effectively :) - as you will note, i've consistently said i'm 
> a fan of WPF and Silverlight and THUS why the motivation behind what i have 
> done to draw attention to the reality of the future of both WPF/Silverlight 
> given the current internal climate.
>
>
> RE: Silverlight is Dead.
> Silverlight isn't dead. It's just got question marks above how it will affect 
> the market and more to the point where this bus is heading so to speak. You 
> can hear my thoughts on this in a number of podcasts floating around the 
> place (Sparkling Client will have one up soon and one via Talkingshop 
> Downunder)
>
> to quote myself:
>
> "..way Microsoft to date knows how is to either spend majority of its focus 
> on convincing developers that Silverlight is the better option.."
>
> "I'm simply about highlighting the disconnect here and if the Windows
> 8 / IE teams of today think that Silverlight / WPF is something they can 
> deprecate because they dislike people in DevDiv or its current model then 
> think again, as this is one of those rare moments in time where you have a 
> hung jury in terms of which of the two is really the best bet..."
>
> So not sure where David etc are drawing thine inspiration from in declaring i 
> am flip flopping over my preferences for Silverlight?
> given its the whole heart & soul of this whole debate - that and putting 
> focus back on WPF and asking a big question "Where's this going".
>
> RE: Motivation.
> Again, you can read why i was motivated to post the thoughts i have etc via 
> my blog. The main reason was to circumvent the "David Keans"
> of the Microsoft internal as typically these types of personalities often 
> will squash left field opinions for fear of throwing the brand itself into 
> question or constructive criticism. At times these folks really need to get 
> out of the Redmond bubble, jump on some planes, visit folks at the cubicle 
> level and not at the TechEd like cheerleader-thons and one can soon realize 
> fast that what the Redmond postcode thinks vs whats reality are vastly 
> different.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Barnes
>
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[silky]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> Some people want to know whether it's worth investing in a platform - i.e. 
> will it have a foreseeable
> future, or is it a dead end?

Sure, but how do you rate such a thing? Based on requirements and
context. Evangelists (both at Microsoft and not at Microsoft) just
talk from a biased point of view. We all do. I see no need to listen
to that; just try and rate as objectively as possible.

I agree its fair to wonder if it's being EOL'd, but it clearly isn't.
End of story.


> Cheers
> Ken

-- 
silky

http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy
of being this signature."

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Ken Schaefer]

Some people want to know whether it's worth investing in a platform - i.e. will 
it have a foreseeable future, or is it a dead end?

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of silky
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 3:19 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:12 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> Actually Scott, we have met. On many occasions. You might remember a 
> little Aussie activity that your wife (and yourself) had a lot to do with on 
> Saturdays in Redmond.
>
> I'll leave the discussions on future versions of products to the 
> marketing teams. I'll avoid feeding the fire [...]

I tend to agree; I don't really see the point of listening to anyone talk about 
the future of Silverlight. If you want to suggest features, do it, if you want 
to write a competiting product, do it, if you want to use something else, do 
it. The whole world doesn't need to know.

If you find a use for it; use it, if you don't, don't. Simple.

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[David Kean]

That's also not correct (SLR has always been a build of the CLR). Quirks mode 
was added so that we don't break applications built against previous versions 
when we make changes or fix bugs. An example of this recently was when my team 
fixed a bug in Stream in 4.0 that caused a couple of Silverlight 2 & 3 apps to 
break because they were relying on the old (buggy) behavior. The old behavior 
kicks in when we see an app built against an earlier version. It has nothing to 
do with the runtime.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:00 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

The quirks mode is only due to Silverlight 4 switching over to the CLR instead 
of the SLR, which also raises a point that you can bake your own version 
selection tool via registry hack(s) to give it a kind of fake-quasi-poor-mans 
side by side version.

Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> That post is a little incorrect. Silverlight is always in-place 
> release - we never support side-by-side versions. However, we do have 
> quirks mode that allows Silverlight 2 apps to run under Silverlight 4 
> for example and maintain Silverlight 2 behavior.
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Tiang Cheng
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:57 PM
>
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
>
>
> Paul Stovell has a post about the future of silverlight, along with 
> info on how updates will be handled with Microsoft.
>
>
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/silverlight-is-ie6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Eddie de Bear
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:58 PM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
>
>
> Oh, and from the Silverlight blog..
>
>
>
> http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/the-future-of-silverlight/
>
> It just covers the innovate/standardize cycle..
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Eddie de Bear 
> 
> wrote:
>
> I think a lot of this has come about from a blog post by Scott 
> Barnes.. It pretty much sums up what he has heard.
>
>
>
> The summary is:
>
> Windows Team are "dominant" inside Microsoft
>
> Windows Team prefer unmanaged code, so anything .Net really isn't 
> viewed in a good light
>
> The Dev Team (Scott Guthrie) are pushing WPF/Silverlight
>
> HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript can do pretty cool things and are cross 
> platform, tech independent.
>
>
>
> Does this mean Silverlight is dead? Nope.. I don't think so. I suspect 
> that Silverlight will continue to exist as it will be able to evolve 
> faster than future versions of standards (HTML5 has been in the works for how 
> long?).
>
>
>
> This also applies to flash.. Flash and Silverlight will continue to be 
> the forefront of new things on the web, but new features will be taken 
> from both and get added to future versions of HTML.
>
>
>
> Well, that's how I see the world :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
>
> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some 
> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to 
> support HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the 
> least. Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release 
> Windows phone7 which uses Silverlight.
>
>
>
> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
>
> --
>
> EDDIE DE BEAR
>
> Mob: 0417066315
> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
> Skype: eddiedebear
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> EDDIE DE BEAR
>
> Mob: 0417066315
> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
> Skype: eddiedebear
>
>

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[silky]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:12 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> Actually Scott, we have met. On many occasions. You might remember a little 
> Aussie activity that
> your wife (and yourself) had a lot to do with on Saturdays in Redmond.
>
> I'll leave the discussions on future versions of products to the marketing 
> teams. I'll avoid feeding the
> fire [...]

I tend to agree; I don't really see the point of listening to anyone
talk about the future of Silverlight. If you want to suggest features,
do it, if you want to write a competiting product, do it, if you want
to use something else, do it. The whole world doesn't need to know.

If you find a use for it; use it, if you don't, don't. Simple.

-- 
silky

http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy — the joy
of being this signature."

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[David Kean]

Actually Scott, we have met. On many occasions. You might remember a little 
Aussie activity that your wife (and yourself) had a lot to do with on Saturdays 
in Redmond.

I'll leave the discussions on future versions of products to the marketing 
teams. I'll avoid feeding the fire and concentrate on what we, DevDiv, does 
best; develop great platforms.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:56 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

RE: David Kean.
David, we've never meet so i'm guessing you're assuming either the worst or 
prefer character attacks vs answering the hard questions ;) like is WPF is 
Dead? given you have @microsoft.com how about we spend more energy in 
clarifying the remarks instead of ad hominem attacks? - that or learn to 
evangelize more effectively :) - as you will note, i've consistently said i'm a 
fan of WPF and Silverlight and THUS why the motivation behind what i have done 
to draw attention to the reality of the future of both WPF/Silverlight given 
the current internal climate.


RE: Silverlight is Dead.
Silverlight isn't dead. It's just got question marks above how it will affect 
the market and more to the point where this bus is heading so to speak. You can 
hear my thoughts on this in a number of podcasts floating around the place 
(Sparkling Client will have one up soon and one via Talkingshop Downunder)

to quote myself:

"..way Microsoft to date knows how is to either spend majority of its focus on 
convincing developers that Silverlight is the better option.."

"I'm simply about highlighting the disconnect here and if the Windows
8 / IE teams of today think that Silverlight / WPF is something they can 
deprecate because they dislike people in DevDiv or its current model then think 
again, as this is one of those rare moments in time where you have a hung jury 
in terms of which of the two is really the best bet..."

So not sure where David etc are drawing thine inspiration from in declaring i 
am flip flopping over my preferences for Silverlight?
given its the whole heart & soul of this whole debate - that and putting focus 
back on WPF and asking a big question "Where's this going".

RE: Motivation.
Again, you can read why i was motivated to post the thoughts i have etc via my 
blog. The main reason was to circumvent the "David Keans"
of the Microsoft internal as typically these types of personalities often will 
squash left field opinions for fear of throwing the brand itself into question 
or constructive criticism. At times these folks really need to get out of the 
Redmond bubble, jump on some planes, visit folks at the cubicle level and not 
at the TechEd like cheerleader-thons and one can soon realize fast that what 
the Redmond postcode thinks vs whats reality are vastly different.


Regards,

Scott Barnes

http://www.riagenic.com

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Scott Barnes]

The quirks mode is only due to Silverlight 4 switching over to the CLR
instead of the SLR, which also raises a point that you can bake your
own version selection tool via registry hack(s) to give it a kind of
fake-quasi-poor-mans side by side version.

Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> That post is a little incorrect. Silverlight is always in-place release – we
> never support side-by-side versions. However, we do have quirks mode that
> allows Silverlight 2 apps to run under Silverlight 4 for example and
> maintain Silverlight 2 behavior.
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Tiang Cheng
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:57 PM
>
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
>
>
> Paul Stovell has a post about the future of silverlight, along with info on
> how updates will be handled with Microsoft.
>
>
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/silverlight-is-ie6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Eddie de Bear
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:58 PM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
>
>
> Oh, and from the Silverlight blog..
>
>
>
> http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/the-future-of-silverlight/
>
> It just covers the innovate/standardize cycle..
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Eddie de Bear 
> wrote:
>
> I think a lot of this has come about from a blog post by Scott Barnes.. It
> pretty much sums up what he has heard.
>
>
>
> The summary is:
>
> Windows Team are "dominant" inside Microsoft
>
> Windows Team prefer unmanaged code, so anything .Net really isn't viewed in
> a good light
>
> The Dev Team (Scott Guthrie) are pushing WPF/Silverlight
>
> HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript can do pretty cool things and are cross platform,
> tech independent.
>
>
>
> Does this mean Silverlight is dead? Nope.. I don't think so. I suspect that
> Silverlight will continue to exist as it will be able to evolve faster than
> future versions of standards (HTML5 has been in the works for how long?).
>
>
>
> This also applies to flash.. Flash and Silverlight will continue to be the
> forefront of new things on the web, but new features will be taken from both
> and get added to future versions of HTML.
>
>
>
> Well, that's how I see the world :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
>
> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some fellow
> developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support HTML5
> over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least. Anyway, I
> don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7 which uses
> Silverlight.
>
>
>
> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
>
> --
>
> EDDIE DE BEAR
>
> Mob: 0417066315
> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
> Skype: eddiedebear
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> EDDIE DE BEAR
>
> Mob: 0417066315
> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
> Skype: eddiedebear
>
>

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[David Kean]

That post is a little incorrect. Silverlight is always in-place release - we 
never support side-by-side versions. However, we do have quirks mode that 
allows Silverlight 2 apps to run under Silverlight 4 for example and maintain 
Silverlight 2 behavior.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tiang Cheng
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:57 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

Paul Stovell has a post about the future of silverlight, along with info on how 
updates will be handled with Microsoft.

http://www.paulstovell.com/silverlight-is-ie6



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Eddie de Bear
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

Oh, and from the Silverlight blog..

http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/the-future-of-silverlight/

It just covers the innovate/standardize cycle..
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Eddie de Bear 
mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think a lot of this has come about from a blog post by Scott 
Barnes<http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MsMossyblog+%28MS+MossyBlog%29&utm_content=FeedBurner>..
 It pretty much sums up what he has heard.

The summary is:
Windows Team are "dominant" inside Microsoft
Windows Team prefer unmanaged code, so anything .Net really isn't viewed in a 
good light
The Dev Team (Scott Guthrie) are pushing WPF/Silverlight
HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript can do pretty cool things and are cross platform, 
tech independent.

Does this mean Silverlight is dead? Nope.. I don't think so. I suspect that 
Silverlight will continue to exist as it will be able to evolve faster than 
future versions of standards (HTML5 has been in the works for how long?).

This also applies to flash.. Flash and Silverlight will continue to be the 
forefront of new things on the web, but new features will be taken from both 
and get added to future versions of HTML.

Well, that's how I see the world :)
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones 
mailto:rjones1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some fellow 
developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support HTML5 
over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least. Anyway, I don't 
get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7 which uses 
Silverlight.

Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?

Regards,
Richard



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RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Tiang Cheng]

Paul Stovell has a post about the future of silverlight, along with info on how 
updates will be handled with Microsoft.

http://www.paulstovell.com/silverlight-is-ie6



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Eddie de Bear
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

Oh, and from the Silverlight blog..

http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/the-future-of-silverlight/

It just covers the innovate/standardize cycle..
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Eddie de Bear 
mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think a lot of this has come about from a blog post by Scott 
Barnes<http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MsMossyblog+%28MS+MossyBlog%29&utm_content=FeedBurner>..
 It pretty much sums up what he has heard.

The summary is:
Windows Team are "dominant" inside Microsoft
Windows Team prefer unmanaged code, so anything .Net really isn't viewed in a 
good light
The Dev Team (Scott Guthrie) are pushing WPF/Silverlight
HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript can do pretty cool things and are cross platform, 
tech independent.

Does this mean Silverlight is dead? Nope.. I don't think so. I suspect that 
Silverlight will continue to exist as it will be able to evolve faster than 
future versions of standards (HTML5 has been in the works for how long?).

This also applies to flash.. Flash and Silverlight will continue to be the 
forefront of new things on the web, but new features will be taken from both 
and get added to future versions of HTML.

Well, that's how I see the world :)
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones 
mailto:rjones1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some fellow 
developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support HTML5 
over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least. Anyway, I don't 
get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7 which uses 
Silverlight.

Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?

Regards,
Richard



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RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Scott Barnes]

RE: David Kean.
David, we've never meet so i'm guessing you're assuming either the
worst or prefer character attacks vs answering the hard questions ;)
like is WPF is Dead? given you have @microsoft.com how about we spend
more energy in clarifying the remarks instead of ad hominem attacks? -
that or learn to evangelize more effectively :) - as you will note,
i've consistently said i'm a fan of WPF and Silverlight and THUS why
the motivation behind what i have done to draw attention to the
reality of the future of both WPF/Silverlight given the current
internal climate.


RE: Silverlight is Dead.
Silverlight isn't dead. It's just got question marks above how it will
affect the market and more to the point where this bus is heading so
to speak. You can hear my thoughts on this in a number of podcasts
floating around the place (Sparkling Client will have one up soon and
one via Talkingshop Downunder)

to quote myself:

"..way Microsoft to date knows how is to either spend majority of its
focus on convincing developers that Silverlight is the better
option.."

"I’m simply about highlighting the disconnect here and if the Windows
8 / IE teams of today think that Silverlight / WPF is something they
can deprecate because they dislike people in DevDiv or its current
model then think again, as this is one of those rare moments in time
where you have a hung jury in terms of which of the two is really the
best bet..."

So not sure where David etc are drawing thine inspiration from in
declaring i am flip flopping over my preferences for Silverlight?
given its the whole heart & soul of this whole debate - that and
putting focus back on WPF and asking a big question "Where's this
going".

RE: Motivation.
Again, you can read why i was motivated to post the thoughts i have
etc via my blog. The main reason was to circumvent the "David Keans"
of the Microsoft internal as typically these types of personalities
often will squash left field opinions for fear of throwing the brand
itself into question or constructive criticism. At times these folks
really need to get out of the Redmond bubble, jump on some planes,
visit folks at the cubicle level and not at the TechEd like
cheerleader-thons and one can soon realize fast that what the Redmond
postcode thinks vs whats reality are vastly different.


Regards,

Scott Barnes

http://www.riagenic.com

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Arjang Assadi]

Silverlight is like Chuck Norris, Nobody kills silverlight,
silverlight kills them all!

The chuck norris google hack has disapeared!

Regards

Arjang


On 22 September 2010 15:11, David Kean  wrote:
> Scott is one of those people who likes to say things just to get attention. 
> You also need to remember that he's a salesman. When he was selling 
> Silverlight, Silverlight was the God, when he's no longer at Microsoft; 
> Silverlight sucks. (Hmm...I think I've heard this before - 
> http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2010/02/index.html))
>
> Silverlight isn't going away.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:48 PM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
> On a side note,I have read about the ethos at Microsoft that they have teams 
> battle it out for technologies such as LinqToSQL and Entity framework etc.
>
> Just been digging around and stumbled on this forum topic on Channel9: 
> http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/572877-Silverlight--HTML5-and-WPF
>
> Nothing more than some people stirring up the honeypot.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
> Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 2:40 PM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?
>
> Microsoft is a very big company. Some people there prefer Silverlight, some 
> prefer HTML5. There is no evidence that Silverlight is not being invested in 
> going forward.
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
>> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some
>> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to
>> support HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the
>> least. Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release
>> Windows phone7 which uses Silverlight.
>> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>
>

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[David Kean]

Scott is one of those people who likes to say things just to get attention. You 
also need to remember that he's a salesman. When he was selling Silverlight, 
Silverlight was the God, when he's no longer at Microsoft; Silverlight sucks. 
(Hmm...I think I've heard this before - 
http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2010/02/index.html))

Silverlight isn't going away.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:48 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

On a side note,I have read about the ethos at Microsoft that they have teams 
battle it out for technologies such as LinqToSQL and Entity framework etc.

Just been digging around and stumbled on this forum topic on Channel9: 
http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/572877-Silverlight--HTML5-and-WPF

Nothing more than some people stirring up the honeypot.




-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 2:40 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

Microsoft is a very big company. Some people there prefer Silverlight, some 
prefer HTML5. There is no evidence that Silverlight is not being invested in 
going forward.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some 
> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to 
> support HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the 
> least. Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release 
> Windows phone7 which uses Silverlight.
> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
> Regards,
> Richard

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Eddie de Bear]

Oh, and from the Silverlight blog..

http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/the-future-of-silverlight/

It just covers the innovate/standardize cycle..
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Eddie de Bear wrote:

> I think a lot of this has come about from a blog post by Scott 
> Barnes..
> It pretty much sums up what he has heard.
>
> The summary is:
> Windows Team are "dominant" inside Microsoft
> Windows Team prefer unmanaged code, so anything .Net really isn't viewed in
> a good light
> The Dev Team (Scott Guthrie) are pushing WPF/Silverlight
> HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript can do pretty cool things and are cross platform,
> tech independent.
>
> Does this mean Silverlight is dead? Nope.. I don't think so. I suspect that
> Silverlight will continue to exist as it will be able to evolve faster than
> future versions of standards (HTML5 has been in the works for how long?).
>
> This also applies to flash.. Flash and Silverlight will continue to be the
> forefront of new things on the web, but new features will be taken from both
> and get added to future versions of HTML.
>
> Well, that's how I see the world :)
>
>  On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones wrote:
>
>> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some
>> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support
>> HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least.
>> Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7
>> which uses Silverlight.
>>
>> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>
>
>
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> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
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Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Eddie de Bear]

I think a lot of this has come about from a blog post by Scott
Barnes..
It pretty much sums up what he has heard.

The summary is:
Windows Team are "dominant" inside Microsoft
Windows Team prefer unmanaged code, so anything .Net really isn't viewed in
a good light
The Dev Team (Scott Guthrie) are pushing WPF/Silverlight
HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript can do pretty cool things and are cross platform,
tech independent.

Does this mean Silverlight is dead? Nope.. I don't think so. I suspect that
Silverlight will continue to exist as it will be able to evolve faster than
future versions of standards (HTML5 has been in the works for how long?).

This also applies to flash.. Flash and Silverlight will continue to be the
forefront of new things on the web, but new features will be taken from both
and get added to future versions of HTML.

Well, that's how I see the world :)

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:

> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some
> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support
> HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least.
> Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7
> which uses Silverlight.
>
> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>



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RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Richard Jones]

On a side note,I have read about the ethos at Microsoft that they have teams 
battle it out for technologies such as LinqToSQL and Entity framework etc.

Just been digging around and stumbled on this forum topic on Channel9: 
http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/572877-Silverlight--HTML5-and-WPF

Nothing more than some people stirring up the honeypot.




-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 2:40 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

Microsoft is a very big company. Some people there prefer Silverlight, some 
prefer HTML5. There is no evidence that Silverlight is not being invested in 
going forward.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some 
> fellow developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to 
> support HTML5 over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the 
> least. Anyway, I don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release 
> Windows phone7 which uses Silverlight.
> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
> Regards,
> Richard

Re: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Craig van Nieuwkerk]

Microsoft is a very big company. Some people there prefer Silverlight,
some prefer HTML5. There is no evidence that Silverlight is not being
invested in going forward.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Richard Jones  wrote:
> I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some fellow
> developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support HTML5
> over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least. Anyway, I
> don't get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7 which uses
> Silverlight.
> Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?
> Regards,
> Richard

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[Richard Jones]

David,

That's what I think as well, I'm getting into Silverlight for developing on the 
Windows Phone.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 2:37 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

Silverlight is not dead.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:15 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Is Silverlight dead ?

I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some fellow 
developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support HTML5 
over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least. Anyway, I don't 
get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7 which uses 
Silverlight.

Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?

Regards,
Richard

RE: Is Silverlight dead ?

[David Kean]

Silverlight is not dead.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:15 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Is Silverlight dead ?

I don't want to start a flame war however I have been talking to some fellow 
developers and they mentioned that Microsoft is preferring to support HTML5 
over silverlight. I think this is speculation to say the least. Anyway, I don't 
get it, when Microsoft are about to release Windows phone7 which uses 
Silverlight.

Can anyone anyone confirm this is the case?

Regards,
Richard