Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
The Guthrie card in W.A. asks for birth weight. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound
Thank you deeply, Debbie. My eyes are opened further, along with my mind. Aviva The point is that - and I'm sure no-one would doubt it - that scans have their place. In retrospect, I wish that I had had more scans with my second child - he may then have had the chance that my third did. But I too didn't see the point, after all I had already had one healthy child, and I had concerns over their safety. I am not saying that scans are the way to go far from it - just that scans do have a role - just as (dare I say it) do caesarean sections. :-)Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
I put the last recorded weight which will be that recorded as birth weight whenever it was done Andrea Quanchi On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 02:54 PM, maxine hardinge wrote: a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and age are both needed for the Newborn screening test. maxine _ Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary Murphy is!! I know from personal expereince Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Active Birthing
Title: Message Hi, Vicki, and all, Thank you for that -- just catching up with yesterday's emails, oh dear. Had my first Active Birth session at home yesterday. The young woman was well-informed via internet sites, emails, and had her first ce class at hospital last week. Jo Bainbridge popped in with prototype of BEAUTIFUL flyer for me. Now, back to the grind! Love, Aviva - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Active Birthing Aviva...just had a wander through your website...fantastic to read of your adventures! With love and Warm Wishes...Vicki http://www.chariot.net.au/~aviva
[ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
please remember to pass on the details of CARES to this woman. (or the other cs support groups of course). warning...Jo is on her soap box once again WHAT A PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR 'CARE' THIS IS! Who in their right mind books a woman in for an elective cs based on presentation of a baby at 27 weeks!! (I think I just broke my exclamation button on the key board...) this sort of poor care, dare I say malpractice should be recorded on file and remain there as a black mark against those who did not think to bother checking if the baby was indeed breech. It would be pointless to take into the legal forum (although I would be tempted if my body had been cut for no reasonwell mine has in fact, but for a reason that can be proven to be false) on the eve of the national caesarean awareness day, I am writhing in agony for this poor womanthe key board hasn't been pounded like this since my letter writing to keep vbac in birth centres! (-oh, it does work!!) I am totally and utter pissed off at this. sorry to sound horrible, but I think 'boo boo' is an inappropriate descriptive term to use. my toddler makes boo boos when he accidentally drops his pencils all over the floor. to butcher a woman based on a breech presentation and not even confirm it after the 27 week mark is utterly unprofessional and should NEVER happen. I need a cigarette and I don't even smoke I am that angry. (gotta remember to breath...) Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
The only time that I had any of my 5 babies weighed on day 3 was when the midwife..a wonderful woman...failed to get around to it until then ! She didn't bother to weigh her immediately after the birth as 'she looked to be a good weight' and then only bothered on day 3 as I insisted that I needed to give all interested parties a better answer than 'she's a good weight' My midwife stated that whatever weight she was at day 3 would almost be the lowest that she would ever be as it was common knowledge to her that nearly all babies lost weight during the first couple of days. When I quizzed her about this she replied 'sure Melanie , use your common sense , the wee things are all knackered and sleepy after their journeys and are having a bit of rest and giving you time to recover before getting down to the serious business of feeding and growing...it seemed like a good answer at the time! Mel - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
out of interest: what excuse was this woman given? "these things can happen?" I sincerely hope not Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Make the PM support NMAP
Dear Denise , I have already e-mailed all the members of the house of representatives and senators. In addition I have written to all members of relevant committees ...health, women's issues etc. As for JH , the best way to e-mail him is as you have done ..I think (!) i.e. via www.pm.gov.au It would be great if folk did e-mail as many ministers as they feel able just to keep the issue in the consciousness. Re getting any money , I honestly think our best bet would be from the private health funds...think of all the money they would be saved if they weren't shelling out for all these unnecessary interventions ! cheers Mel - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Make the PM support NMAP Dear All Does any one have an e-mail address for John Howard? We need to bombard him, SC, ML BB with requests to support !! I have sent the e-mail below via his site feedback boxes at http://www.pm.gov.au/your_feedback/feedback.htm and the Copies to meg lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon Crean [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and bob Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] at their e-mail addresses as above Subject: Support women's Birth Choices Dear John Howard I commend your public verbal and financial support of women's right to choices regarding career and family options (Sydney Morning Herald; 7th September 2002). Now it is time to give financial support to the consumer driven National Maternity Action Plan (www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au/nmapcampaign) to give all women access to positive, cost effective choices in birthing which will benefit families!Yours sincerely Denise Hynd CC Simon Crean, Meg Lees, Bob Brown
RE: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Birth weight is the only weight required on the Guthrie - Edwina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of maxine hardinge Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 2:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and age are both needed for the Newborn screening test. maxine _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing
Title: Message Dear Vicki, Please can you send or fax a brochure via my hospital of employ : Mt Barker Hospital, PO Box 42 Mt Barker, 5251 Fax 8393 1700. We are having a midwifery study day tomorrow (11/9/02) so fax would be good and I will promote it there. I am actually working that weekend so unless I get a swap I wont be able to come, but I may get others interested. Thanks, Edwina Jachimowicz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vicki Chan Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing Dear Edwina, Thankyou for your enquiry... TheÏntuitive Midwifery workshop is open to all women and you would be most welcome. It is a big day,Sat 28th September (and another on the 29th when that fills) going from 8am registration for a 9am start until 9 0çlock at night. It is to be held at The Monastaryin Glen Osmond Road...and a light breakfast plus, morning and afternoon teas, lunch, and dinner are provided. It will be facilitated by myself, a midwife in private practice for the past 14 years...Nic Edmondstone who creates visual of birth of great beauty and inspiration.. andas you noticed..Cait Devlin, a celtic singer. Wehave only a very small number attending the day and the Cost is $350. It promises to be a very special day. If you would like a brochure with more info and booking form please send your snail mail. Yours for better birth... Vicki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vance Edwina Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing Hi Vicki Nic, Where, when and cost? Cheers, Edwina (SA) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vicki Chan Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 4:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing We are very happy that Caitlin Devlin celtic singer extraordinaire will be joining us as part of the Intuitive Midwifery Workshops It is going to be wonderful... do join us! Vicki and Nic
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Not something I 've recorded for a Neonatal screen for 15 years. When they ask for weight I always use the birth weight, and that it what all the Midwives do where I work. The hosp Day 4 weighs, but working in the CMP (ACT) I don't weigh unless I'm concerned about output and then not until day 4. Leanne : ) - Original Message - From: maxine hardinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and age are both needed for the Newborn screening test. maxine _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Denise! don't encourage me. It's just that at the age of 60, one doesn't have a lot to lose by refusing to do things which I see to be unhelpful, untruthful or midleading. I guess you'll all just have to tolerate me till I retire when I'm 75. MM - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary Murphy is!! I know from personal expereince Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I wonder if this woman knows that the baby was cephalic at birth and her C/S was unnecessary? or was it hushed up? MM - Original Message - Today a booboo was made :A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation.Came out cephalic.Last u/s was at 27 weeks.Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)...
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Birth weight is all we have ever used on these Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/09/2002 2:54:11 pm a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and age are both needed for the Newborn screening test. maxine _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
I think I love this midwife! we could be soulmates? My Mum (a Maternity Nurse in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of babies in the S.w of W.a. told me that the real weight was after they had their first poo. I just think that this obsession with weight starts when babies are born. what does it weigh? comes after What is it? This obsession carries on throughout life and one is never the right weight . I definitely am not!. and I love myself anyway. MM - Original Message - The only time that I had any of my 5 babies weighed on day 3 was when the midwife..a wonderful woman...failed to get around to it until then ! She didn't bother to weigh her immediately after the birth as 'she looked to be a good weight' and then only bothered on day 3 as I insisted that I needed to give all interested parties a better answer than 'she's a good weight' My midwife stated that whatever weight she was at day 3 would almost be the lowest that she would ever be as it was common knowledge to her that nearly all babies lost weight during the first couple of days. When I quizzed her about this she replied 'sure Melanie , use your common sense , the wee things are all knackered and sleepy after their journeys and are having a bit of rest and giving you time to recover before getting down to the serious business of feeding and growing...it seemed like a good answer at the time!Mel -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Hi Iagre totally with Rhonda cereal and toast do not make good breast milk .Mothers need some protien and some fat with all three meals Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/09/02 02:13pm Is this in a hospital? Check the mothers diets! What is on the menu for them? I am sure that most hospital diets are not breastfeeding friendly. Just my thoughts Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:49:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more than 10% of their birth weight on day 3. Is anyone else out there experiencing this and are there any studies on this subject. This is particularly babies of caucasian mothers. Can anyone shed light on this for me? Irene Munro Alice Springs __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. . -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Jo, Why didn't the woman have an u/sound prior to the c/section to confirm presentation? Surely an u/sound at 27 weeks means nothing?!!! Liza - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech out of interest: what excuse was this woman given? "these things can happen?" I sincerely hope not Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing
Title: Message Am I right in thinking this is in the "Eastern States"? MM Thankyou for your enquiry... The"Ïntuitive Midwifery" workshop is open to all women and you would be most welcome. It is a big day,Sat 28th September (and another on the 29th when that fills) going from 8am registration for a 9am start until 9 0çlock at night. It is to be held at "The Monastary"in Glen Osmond Road...and a light breakfast plus, morning and afternoon teas, lunch, and dinner are provided. It will be facilitated by myself, a midwife in private practice for the past 14 years...Nic Edmondstone who creates visual of birth of great beauty and inspiration.. andas you noticed..Cait Devlin, a celtic singer. Wehave only a very small number attending the day and the Cost is $350. It promises to be a very special day. If you would like a brochure with more info and booking form please send your snail mail. Yours for better birth... Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vance EdwinaSent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:07 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing Hi Vicki Nic, Where, when and cost? Cheers, Edwina (SA) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Monday, 9 September 2002 4:21 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing We are very happy that Caitlin Devlin celtic singer extraordinaire will be joining us as part of the "Intuitive Midwifery" Workshops It is going to be wonderful... do join us! Vicki and Nic
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Dear Jo What was recorded on her admission observations as they surely must have included abdo palpation and what was she told afterwards?I remember a multiparous woman who was having a caesar for a breech and was showered and shaved and in a theatre gown and requested palpation as the baby had been moving a lot. It was cephalic. She promptly got dressed and requested discharge. She was, after she got a dressing down about caesar being the best option for an "unstable" lie.She returned 2days later just in time to push out her cephalic baby inside the "hallowed walls". Also I had mentioned about finding out about ante natal expressing. Women who are insulin dependant gestational diabetics are offered the option to express from about 38 weeks on as their babies automatically go to the nursery for observation. They have to be quickthough as they are also booked for induction at 38 weeks.Our lactation consultation tells me she would only expect a few mls but few women take up the option. The babies mostly have formula or drips for low blood sugar. On another note, I wonder how, or ifother places manage to meet step 4 of the BFHI and " help mothers initiate breastfeeding within a half hour of birth". This is the set criteria but often mum or baby are not ready for whatever reason.I realise they have to be normal vaginal births. Anyone From a BFHI hospital care to comment Thanks Linda Trewern.-Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Make the PM support NMAP
Title: Message I've had a lot of fun emailing a few federal but heaps of Queensland pollies...(nothing else to do...lol...yawn) making each one pertinent to the portfolio...eg...for the police minister... I am writing toask foryoursupportof the National Maternity Action Plan which will be released shortly. As a midwife for eighteen years and a mother of four, I have witnessed theenormous physical and emotional costs tomothers and babies as well as huge financial cost to our health budget ina less than satisfactory maternity care system. There are many studies that link adverse perinatal experiences with those experienced by people in later life.For example,adult violence, drug addiction,andsuicide have been linked with birth complications and procedures. In response to the ever rising intervention rates in childbirth and a growing dissatisfaction amongst women, the NMAP offers solutions in line with International Best Practice Standards. Those countries which have a midwifery-led maternity care system are the same countries with the lowest rates of intervention and boast the lowest rates of perinatal mortality and morbidity. Birth Reform is urgently needed in thisstate. The very leastQueensland women should expect is the choice! Every woman deserves the right to continuity of care with a known midwife. Please support the National Maternity Action Plan. www.maternitycoalition.org.au adding this for the minister responsible for Aboriginal affairs... In New Zealand, where the lead maternity provider is chosen by the women, most maternity care is given by midwives. It is important to note that the Maori women have wholeheatedly taken up this option and now boast a perinatal mortality that is lower than the white population. I have spoken to many aboriginal women over the years (particularly when I attended a birth at a woman's own home in New Mapoon on the tip of Cape York) and they report great dissatisfaction with the present system. A midwifery-led maternity care system, in cooperation with traditional birth attendants,in collaboration with a culturally appropriate, supportive medical team...would serve our indigenous women well. Gotta get some sleep... Cheers Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of alastair tawnsSent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Make the PM support NMAP Dear Denise , I have already e-mailed all the members of the house of representatives and senators. In addition I have written to all members of relevant committees ...health, women's issues etc. As for JH , the best way to e-mail him is as you have done ..I think (!) i.e. via www.pm.gov.au It would be great if folk did e-mail as many ministers as they feel able just to keep the issue in the consciousness. Re getting any money , I honestly think our best bet would be from the private health funds...think of all the money they would be saved if they weren't shelling out for all these unnecessary interventions ! cheers Mel - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Make the PM support NMAP Dear All Does any one have an e-mail address for John Howard? We need to bombard him, SC, ML BB with requests to support !! I have sent the e-mail below via his site feedback boxes at http://www.pm.gov.au/your_feedback/feedback.htm and the Copies to meg lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon Crean [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and bob Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] at their e-mail addresses as above Subject: Support women's Birth Choices Dear John Howard I commend your public verbal and financial support of women's right to choices regarding career and family options (Sydney Morning Herald; 7th September 2002). Now it is time to give financial support to the consumer driven National Maternity Action Plan (www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au/nmapcampaign) to give all women access to positive, cost effective choices in birthing which will benefit families!Yours sincerely Denise Hynd CC Simon Crean, Meg Lees, Bob Brown
[ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
RE: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Sure Mary...like we believe you are going to retire! Vicki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss Denise! don't encourage me. It's just that at the age of 60, one doesn't have a lot to lose by refusing to do things which I see to be unhelpful, untruthful or midleading. I guess you'll all just have to tolerate me till I retire when I'm 75. MM - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary Murphy is!! I know from personal expereince Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Loose weight
Denise: I agree with you and with Mary Murphy... I never pay too much attention on scales. Babies normally loose 10% of their weight in the first days after being born (excuse me for using the term delivered. I´m from Brasil, here we speak portuguese..) At the 10th day they recover the weight they had on the first day. It´s a normal thing, because they loose the swelling of tissues. Most of times we doctors think of babies as products (we use the term product of conception) that have value thru the weight they have. That´s a wrong way to understand human life, isn´t it? If you look at a baby and he/she is doing well, why to worry about the weight? Ric - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary Murphy is!! I know from personal expereince Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message please send me a copy via email to have a look see. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
[ozmidwifery] Poster
Title: Message Vicki : I would love to receive this poster... Can I? Ricardo Herbert Jones, from Brasil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you !! - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
SV: [ozmidwifery] Poster
Title: Message Vicki - I would to see the poster too. Please mail me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! kirsten -Oprindelig meddelelse-Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På vegne af Ricardo Herbert JonesSendt: 10. september 2002 16:59Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Emne: [ozmidwifery] Poster Vicki : I would love to receive this poster... Can I? Ricardo Herbert Jones, from Brasil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you !! - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
In Washington, USA the card asks for the birth wt. and then the age of the infant at the testing. marilyn - Original Message - From: maxine hardinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and age are both needed for the Newborn screening test. maxine _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message DEAR VICKI: I WOULD LOVE TO BUY A COUPLE AT LEAST.Ooops accidently hit the caps key! I would also like to know the address of the Intuitive Midwifery Workshop. I am assuming somewhere in Qld probablyaround Nambour/Landsborough? Did I miss something re the address? Marilyn - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
We would love several posters? I work in the Community Health Centre on Bruny Island, Tasmania. Please email me re costs etc. Best wishes Helen Grainger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound
Dear All, I just wanted to add a note to your comment about the effect of ultrasounds on a baby's hearing. Recently my husband pointed-out to me an article about ultrasound that he came across in a Science journal. (he is a physics teacher) The article was speaking about some research designed to discover why babies move so much during an ultrasound scan. They found that to the baby the ultrasound waves are the volume of a locomotive train!! Is it any wonder babies try to get away from it? I will ask him for the name of the journal so I can post it on Ozmidwifery for everyone. Leanne, Midwife, Mildura Aboriginal Health Service. From: James Stephanie Fairbairn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:19:24 +0930 Has anyone had a pregnant woman complain of heat or pain at the site of a rountine ultrasound? My friend was always very uncomfortable with U/S and said that the baby would always move as if to get away. This happened in both her pregnancies - although she never refused the treament as she felt it was 'part of the process of being pregnant that you couldn't refuse' (she isn't a typically rebellious individual!!!) I have heard discussions that postulate that U/S is responsible for among others::: more left handers! - autism - cord tangling around limbs and neck (in the case that the baby moves abnormally to get away from the source of discomfort) and auditory problems (to do with the stage of hearing development and strength of wave used at the foetal age) - Anyone else heard this theory? Steph.Adelaide. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound In a message dated 9/09/02 10:59:39 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like an interesting read. What does AIMS stand for? Any idea when it was published (roughly)? Thanks, Jen Hi Jen...AIMS stands for the Association for the Improvments In Maternity Services ... Ultrasound Unsound was published in 1993...as a special edition of the AIMS Journal...I have a copy on my bookshelf...I'll bring it to UNi on Wednesday Doris Haire has also written extensively on the dangers of routine ultrasonography...published in AIMS Journal Vol 1..Number 4-5The Ultrasound Dilemmaand Joan Donely...the wise woman in NZ...has also written extensively warning women of the unknowns of ultrasound. Cheers Tina _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: just to keep you in the picture re Women NOW!
thought this may interest some... - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Stephens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: just to keep you in the picture re Women NOW! Hi there, Ive mentioned previously that free magazines mean a different mindset : Not enough ads = no stand-alone Women NOW! in Spring We have fallen short of meeting our breakeven revenue budget with the production of Women NOW!, as a separate entity, by about $5000 not very much really, but enough to make it impossible for us to do it. Women's issues for Living NOW! in October issue Therefore, well be contacting all the advertisers who were booked in thank you all and offering them to place their ad in a double page spread feature on women in the middle of the October Living NOW! This will be smaller than Women NOW! would have been and will therefore have fewer stories, but those that are there will of course present good quality content, and naturally the advertisers themselves will be a good source of information for thinking women of spirit. Look out for it in October. If youre interested in a last minute ad in that feature, you can still squeeze in. For VIC youd need to get back to us within 36 hours, for NSW you have until 16th and for QLD you have until 20th. To contact us phone 1800 803 714 outside of Melbourne, or 03 9876 2655 within Melbourne, or reply to this email. Warm wishes Elizabeth Stephens Editor Living NOW!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Too right! If anyone would like an emailed copy of
a paper I presented at the 12th Congress of the International Association for
Physical Education for Girls and Women, Melbourne, 1992 (I think, or 1993), let
me know; I'll send it on. It's Dance and Self-Image -- Moving Ahead. Just had a
thought...maybe I'll put it on my website.
In a nutshell it'sabout how
it'smandatory to gain from conception and through childhood, how once we
become mobile, we are taught not to lose things ("Oh, where are Auntie Mabel's
car keys? Baby toddled off with them...in the toilet!"), then after a few years
all of a sudden it's not ok to gain, and we are supposed to "lose" part of the
body we've worked very hard to gain. The very term "lose weight" sets one up to
gainmore of it. Most of us are very successful! and so on.
Aviva
- Original Message -
From: Mary Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
I think I love this midwife! we could be "soulmates?" My
Mum (a "MaternityNurse" in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of
babies in the S.w ofW.a. told me that the "real" weight was after they had
their first poo.
[ozmidwifery] A bit of light relief
THIS ONE IS FOR THE GIRLS. Voted Women's Favorite Email of the Year A man was sick and tired of going to work every day while his wife stayed home. He wanted her to see what he went through so he prayed: Dear Lord, I go to work every day and put in 8 hours while my wife merely stays at home. I want her to know what I go through, so please allow her body to switch with mine for a day. Amen. God, in His infinite wisdom, granted the man's wish. The next morning, sure enough, the man awoke as a woman. He arose, cooked breakfast for his mate, awakened the kids, set out their school clothes, fed them breakfast, packed their lunches,drove them to school, came home and picked up the dry cleaning, took it to the cleaners and stopped at the bank to make a deposit, went grocery shopping, then drove home to put away the groceries, pay the bills and balance the check book. He cleaned the cat's litter box and bathed the dog. Then it was already 1:00 p.m. and he hurried to make the beds, do the laundry, vacuum, dust, and sweep and mop the kitchen floor. Ran to the school to pick up the kids and got into an argument with them on the way home. Set out cookies and milk and got the kids organized to do their homework, then set up the ironing board and watched TV while he did the ironing. At 4:30 p.m. he began peeling potatoes and washing vegetables for salad, breaded the pork chops and snapped fresh beans for supper. After supper he cleaned the kitchen, ran the dishwasher, folded laundry, bathed the kids, and put them to bed. At 9:00 p.m. he was exhausted and, though his daily chores weren't finished, he went to bed where he was expected to make love which he managed to get through without complaint. The next morning he awoke and immediately knelt by the bed and said, Lord, I don't know what I was thinking. I was so wrong to envy my wife's being able to stay home all day. Please, oh please, let us trade back. The Lord, in His infinite wisdom, replied, My son, I feel you have learned your lesson and I will be happy to change things back to the way they were. You'll just have to wait nine months, though. You got pregnant last night. ** of course we could add the next 12 months or so, for breastfeeding ** Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] h*lp in Perth please
Dear Perth People, I am asking on behalf of a friend who has just moved there. She is in need of a caring doctor to look at what might be a prolapse. The woman had a complete seperation of the synthysis pubis with her first birth 4 1/2 years ago and also a missed haematoma (sp?). Needless to say she has a lot of trauma in the pubic area and can hardly bare to touch it still. So if anyone is able to recommend a suitable carer that would be super. She lives in Bayswater, but I'm sure would travel for good care. Thanks in advance Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Please may I be sent 2 posters and costs to address below Thanks Terry Stockdale Independent Midwife/ Childbirth Information Service 156 Warwick Street West Hobart 7000 - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
RE: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
My routine practice is not to weigh babies at birth. I do this for many reasons but primarily to slow things down for the newly born soul. I weigh the next day or so. I also advise the families not to dress the baby but just a nappy and baby wraps for the same reason. This means that in the first day there is a lot of skin to skin contact (whenever breast feeding). It is really beautiful. Sally Westbury -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] A Train is Coming?
Leanne: This is Ric from Brasil Let me add some anedoctal thing I heard today in my office Cristina, the doula and childbirth educator that works with me during labors (I'm an obstetrician in the extreme south of Brasil) told me that she was surprised with what she listened in her last childbirth class. Several pregnant clients said that they did a 3D ultrasound (new fashion in obstetrics here, and I fear in Australia too) but will have to repeat it next week. Guess why? All babies were with the hands in front of the face !!! Why were they behaving that way? Were they trying to protect themselves? Like someone that is putting hands in front of the face because is hearing a locomotive coming !!! Doctors that work with US use to say that babies like it, because they move a lot during the exam? Is it happines? Or is it desperation? Or even fear? I don't really know, but I while researcher are trying to find the answers I prefer no to expose my patients to that risk, and to respect the ears of her kids. Please... does anyone knows something else about that? Kisses from Brasil !! Ric - Original Message - From: leanne wynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Dear All, I just wanted to add a note to your comment about the effect of ultrasounds on a baby's hearing. Recently my husband pointed-out to me an article about ultrasound that he came across in a Science journal. (he is a physics teacher) The article was speaking about some research designed to discover why babies move so much during an ultrasound scan. They found that to the baby the ultrasound waves are the volume of a locomotive train!! Is it any wonder babies try to get away from it? I will ask him for the name of the journal so I can post it on Ozmidwifery for everyone. Leanne, Midwife, Mildura Aboriginal Health Service. From: James Stephanie Fairbairn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:19:24 +0930 Has anyone had a pregnant woman complain of heat or pain at the site of a rountine ultrasound? My friend was always very uncomfortable with U/S and said that the baby would always move as if to get away. This happened in both her pregnancies - although she never refused the treament as she felt it was 'part of the process of being pregnant that you couldn't refuse' (she isn't a typically rebellious individual!!!) I have heard discussions that postulate that U/S is responsible for among others::: more left handers! - autism - cord tangling around limbs and neck (in the case that the baby moves abnormally to get away from the source of discomfort) and auditory problems (to do with the stage of hearing development and strength of wave used at the foetal age) - Anyone else heard this theory? Steph.Adelaide. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound In a message dated 9/09/02 10:59:39 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like an interesting read. What does AIMS stand for? Any idea when it was published (roughly)? Thanks, Jen Hi Jen...AIMS stands for the Association for the Improvments In Maternity Services ... Ultrasound Unsound was published in 1993...as a special edition of the AIMS Journal...I have a copy on my bookshelf...I'll bring it to UNi on Wednesday Doris Haire has also written extensively on the dangers of routine ultrasonography...published in AIMS Journal Vol 1..Number 4-5The Ultrasound Dilemmaand Joan Donely...the wise woman in NZ...has also written extensively warning women of the unknowns of ultrasound. Cheers Tina _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Poster
- Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: Vicki Chan Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: Poster Dear Vicki - could I please have a copy of the poster mentioned on the ozmid list? Let me know the cost plus postage and I'll send you a cheque. Could you also email it to me so I can see what it's like? -- (can't wait to see it knowing the work of you and Nic! ) I've been "out of the loop" lately as I've been on leave. All power to NMAP !! In addition to it's aim of providing midwife-led care options to all women Ihope it also makesfor a smoother ride for midwives everywhere who provide woman-centred care. Best wishes for best birthing, Lois Lois WattisRegistered Midwifewww.birthjourney.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Hi Vicki Can I have a copy to please, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Megan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 3:42To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
RE: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Copy for me too please Vicki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki Chan Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 3:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
The u/s at 27 weeks showed the baby was cephalic. later palps said breech... mum said baby hadn't moved from breech and she felt she could feel the head under her ribs. Still, an u/s just prior to the cut would have been greatly appreciated. As for the excuse, I'm not sure there would have been one, I don't know. She didn't speak English, so I'm sure that would have made it easier for her not to get one... :( Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Dear Vicki, Could you please post your email address so I can contact you re posters. Thanks Lyn Kelson. - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound
At Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:12:45 +1000, leanne wynne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: They found that to the baby the ultrasound waves are the volume of a locomotive train!! Is it any wonder babies try to get away from it? I will ask him for the name of the journal so I can post it on Ozmidwifery for everyone. Leanne, Midwife, Mildura Aboriginal Health Service. A few months ago I her a psychologist on the radio ( as I was driving so I didn't get the whole lot) talking about using ultrasound on babies in utero as a means of demonstrating/proving that babies 'interact' with the outside world. ( as if parents couldn't tell him so). No diagnostic use: he talked about 'playing' with the baby, as I recall seeing how far it would run. Did anyone else hear this interview ? Got details of it? I'd like to follow it up. Margie Ps I also heard more recently that it is now 'proven' that young babies sounds are pre-verbal communication - intentional - because brainscans showing communication brain activity tell us so! Looking for a free email account? Get one now at http://www.freemail.com.au/
Re: [ozmidwifery] A Train is Coming?
Ric, I have come home in my lunch hour and riffled through my husband's numerous journals on his desk and found that journal article I referred to. It is Popular Science' Vol 269 No.3. I will quote part of it for you: Mostafa Fatemi of Minnesota's Mayo Clinic wondered why...fetuses always seem to move and stretch while their (ultrasound) picture is taken. He found out by placing a tiny hydrophone inside a woman's uterus during the procedure. The device registered up to nearly 100 decibels - as loud as a subway train. While we can't hear it, a fetus can, says Fatemi, because a fetus's ears are filled with fluid, which is a better conductor of ultrasound waves than air.' There's currently no evidence showing that such noise is harmful, but Fatemi says clinicians may want to aim their ultrasound probes more carefully... Why aren't medical and obstetric journals printing more of this research, I wonder? Food for thought, huh! Leanne. From: Ricardo Herbert Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] A Train is Coming? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:47:25 -0300 Leanne: This is Ric from Brasil Let me add some anedoctal thing I heard today in my office Cristina, the doula and childbirth educator that works with me during labors (I'm an obstetrician in the extreme south of Brasil) told me that she was surprised with what she listened in her last childbirth class. Several pregnant clients said that they did a 3D ultrasound (new fashion in obstetrics here, and I fear in Australia too) but will have to repeat it next week. Guess why? All babies were with the hands in front of the face !!! Why were they behaving that way? Were they trying to protect themselves? Like someone that is putting hands in front of the face because is hearing a locomotive coming !!! Doctors that work with US use to say that babies like it, because they move a lot during the exam? Is it happines? Or is it desperation? Or even fear? I don't really know, but I while researcher are trying to find the answers I prefer no to expose my patients to that risk, and to respect the ears of her kids. Please... does anyone knows something else about that? Kisses from Brasil !! Ric - Original Message - From: leanne wynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Dear All, I just wanted to add a note to your comment about the effect of ultrasounds on a baby's hearing. Recently my husband pointed-out to me an article about ultrasound that he came across in a Science journal. (he is a physics teacher) The article was speaking about some research designed to discover why babies move so much during an ultrasound scan. They found that to the baby the ultrasound waves are the volume of a locomotive train!! Is it any wonder babies try to get away from it? I will ask him for the name of the journal so I can post it on Ozmidwifery for everyone. Leanne, Midwife, Mildura Aboriginal Health Service. From: James Stephanie Fairbairn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:19:24 +0930 Has anyone had a pregnant woman complain of heat or pain at the site of a rountine ultrasound? My friend was always very uncomfortable with U/S and said that the baby would always move as if to get away. This happened in both her pregnancies - although she never refused the treament as she felt it was 'part of the process of being pregnant that you couldn't refuse' (she isn't a typically rebellious individual!!!) I have heard discussions that postulate that U/S is responsible for among others::: more left handers! - autism - cord tangling around limbs and neck (in the case that the baby moves abnormally to get away from the source of discomfort) and auditory problems (to do with the stage of hearing development and strength of wave used at the foetal age) - Anyone else heard this theory? Steph.Adelaide. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound In a message dated 9/09/02 10:59:39 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like an interesting read. What does AIMS stand for? Any idea when it was published (roughly)? Thanks, Jen Hi Jen...AIMS stands for the Association for the Improvments In Maternity Services ... Ultrasound Unsound was published in 1993...as a special edition of the AIMS Journal...I have a copy on my bookshelf...I'll bring it to UNi on Wednesday Doris Haire has also written extensively on the dangers of routine ultrasonography...published in AIMS Journal Vol 1..Number 4-5The Ultrasound
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Vicki, I would like a copy of the poster, please. Thank you. Penny Barrett. At 11:12 PM 9/10/02 -0700, you wrote: Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki Penelope A. Barrett RN, CM, PhD, BEd(Nurs.), FRCNA, FCN(NSW), MACM Lecturer (Midwifery) Faculty of Nursing (M 02) The University of Sydney NSW Australia 2006 Ph 61 2 9351 0619 Mobile 04 1230 2264 ...let me ask you as I close, to lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today, to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of Berlin,...to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all (hu)mankind. Freedom is indivisible, and when one (hu)man is enslaved, all are not free. Remarks in the Rudolph Wilde Platz President John F. Kennedy West Berlin June 26, 1963 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Menstruation
PS. He is still breastfeed, day and night as he cosleeps. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/09/2002 2:01:23 pm I had to smile when I read this, my 16 month old poppet (who has never seen the inside of a child health nurses office) dosen't even come close to the percentile lines. We are not big people, and have wee kids in both our families. I think that so long as they are happy, active and playful, it doesn't matter what size they are, or aren't. Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/09/2002 3:52:02 pm reminds me of when Rosie was measured at 12 months. Oooh, she's in the lower tenth percentile, came the accusing remark. Yes, I replied, straight-faced, it runs in the family. What does? (she was so caring). SHORTNESS! I replied. Aviva ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Yes Aviva may I please have
it
Hettie Grove
South Africa
- Original Message -
From:
Aviva
Sheb'a
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:42
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight
loss
Too right! If anyone would like an emailed copy
of a paper I presented at the 12th Congress of the International Association
for Physical Education for Girls and Women, Melbourne, 1992 (I think, or
1993), let me know; I'll send it on. It's Dance and Self-Image -- Moving
Ahead. Just had a thought...maybe I'll put it on my website.
In a nutshell it'sabout how
it'smandatory to gain from conception and through childhood, how once we
become mobile, we are taught not to lose things ("Oh, where are Auntie Mabel's
car keys? Baby toddled off with them...in the toilet!"), then after a few
years all of a sudden it's not ok to gain, and we are supposed to "lose" part
of the body we've worked very hard to gain. The very term "lose weight" sets
one up to gainmore of it. Most of us are very successful! and so
on.
Aviva
- Original Message -
From: Mary Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
I think I love this midwife! we could be "soulmates?" My
Mum (a "MaternityNurse" in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of
babies in the S.w ofW.a. told me that the "real" weight was after they had
their first poo.
[ozmidwifery] lease financially Support NMAP!
Dear fellow NMAP supporter! Things are really hotting up with the National maternity Action Plan (NMAP)! The public launch is planned for 24 September and looks like being very successful. Press conferences are being held in Canberra, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. We've also started work on the post-launch strategy for ensuring that NMAP is seriously considered by governments. What we need now is some money to help finance the NMAP launch and post-launch advocacy. I am writing this to appeal to you to make a donation to the Maternity Coalition to this end. Maternity Coalition now has branches in every State (except Tas and NT) and is planning to underwrite much of the cost of the launch. We have set up a special NMAP fund in our accounts to ensure money raised is spent on NMAP business. Andrea Robertson and her team have already made a very generous contribution to the launch costs - thankyou Andrea!! Vicki Chan has developed and printed a fabulous NMAP poster and MPs across Australia are helping out along the way with small amounts of photocopying etc. But we still need to finance posters, postcards and other costs to support the launch!! Please make a donation today! Every dollar will help! And all donations are tax deductible. Please send cheque (written out to the Maternity Coalition) or moneyorder (sorry, we're working on credit card but not there yet) to: The NMAP Fund c/- The Treasurer Maternity Coalition PO Box 1190 Blackburn North Vic 3130 If you would like a receipt pls include a stamped self addressed envelope. Thankyou!!
