FW: [ozmidwifery] here is a hot one
Seems like you are safe from the hate mail. It seems to me that there is the universal blank look about NMAP from many many midwives. Most of the independent midwives in for the long battle but I do wonder where the other midwives are. It does need to be a partnership. As an aside.. the two most amazing consumers I know both started direct entry midwifery .. more power to you both. Love Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jo Dean Bainbridge Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] here is a hot one here is a topic that will get many of you annoyed at me!( thought it was about time) I have noticed a trend happening and wanted to point this out. There has been discussion in the past of the lack of consumer support and push for change. Yes, I agree to and extent as most of the community are oblivious to what is going on. Those consumers who do now are usually slogging their arses off to get change...with no real benefits to themselves in any way other than satisfaction that SOMEONE else may not end up with a scar on her belly for no reason (unlike the one on my belly that I can never get free of) Now here is the juicy bit..I am starting to realise that it appears that there is a large portion of midwives who lament about the way birth is today, they know what it happening and yet when there is something like NMAP being suggested it suddenly is left up to consumers to do the work. I am referring to situations like last week when here in SA a meeting was held to see what to do next with NMAP implementationtwo consumers (who work beyond their limits anyway) and one uni lecturer attended..no midwives. I know that women are the ones who will benefit from something like NMAP, but hey! there are midwives that will be in far greater positions career wise (money wise) job satisfaction wise and so forth if NMAP does get implemented. I suppose what I am saying is that yes, consumers need to demand change BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE LEFT TO PUT OUR CHILDREN IN CARE (sorry about caps!) or drag the children to meeting after meeting with pollies; we are not the ones who should be using our home computers and resources and so forth without reimbursement; we are not the ones who should be putting families and friends second to trying to improve maternity services alone! Here in SA we have some very strong and determined women who are not going to benefit from something like NMAP but we are the ones who are working tirelessly to get it happening. I would like to ask all SA midwives if you agree with the NMAP and would like to see it happen here in SA then BE THERE TO SUPPORT US SUPPORT YOU! There is only so much that Cheryl, Megan, Jen, Emma, Carolyn and myself can do guys! Now those of you who know me know that I am not really a bitch (well most of the time), but I am just about ready to say stuff it and go and dig in my rose garden and not do anything other than take the occasional phone call in reference to CARES SA. Those of you who know me know how passionate I am about women's rights to the best type of care - midwifery care.but at the moment I am looking around and not seeing any midwife fighting for NMAP with us. I know that many of you are fighting within the system, but we as consumers need to know that you support us by being there at meetings or something! I know you work and have families BUT SO DO WE! Anyway, I will sit back and wait for the hate mail to come rolling inI am not attacking those of you who are active; just those who are sitting back and letting others fight a fight for you! I have read about maintaining passion for midwifery...but not seen much commitment and support for those consumers who are trying to keep the option of midwifery alive. cheers guys! Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love...
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding web site
? www.breasted.com.au LOUISE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 05:41:50 PM To: Ozmidwifery \(E-mail\) Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding web site Hi, can anyone help me? I am looking for a breastfeeding information website that is entitled BSMed or something like that. Has anyone heard ofit??? Cheers, Julia M.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in Mullumbimby
Hi Jessica, There are always a lot of stories about the birthing environment in this area!! There are 4 hospitals in the northern rivers where births occur - this is soon to be 3 I believe, when Byron Bay hospital ceases to accept births in the new year due to a shortage of insured and willing GPs. (Is this accurate Liz?) Of the 3 others, Mullumbimby is definitely the one promoting itself as a low intervention setting, but is not a birth centre. There is no midwives clinic, and everyone must book in through a GP. The selection criteria changes a lot, but is generally fairly flexible - they allow VBACs, sometimes older primips etc. There are no epidurals or c/sections here, but they will augment labours and do some assisted deliveries. At present the use of water is permitted in labour, but no official waterbirths - the women have to pay an outside contactor for the erection and hire of the water pool (about $250). There are 3 or 4 Gps who attend births at Mullum, and about 7 midwives working there, and they vary as always in their attitudes and approach. There are 3 birth rooms, but the midwives are shared with the rest of the patients in the small hospital. About 100 births a year. BUT, overall not too bad!! Limore Base however is a teaching hospital with a 40% epidural rate, and climbing c/section rates. There is a nice postnatal ward, although only small for the volume of births. In my opinion, a bit of Russian Roulette as to attitudes and outcomes. Murwillimbah is not a teaching hospital, and is fairly conservative in its attitudes etc. A few years ago 5 homebirth midwives had boycotted this place due to its attitude to homebirth clients. I spoke to a Paed from Lismore the other day who said the birthing unit at Lismore was being revamped in 2004 and he was pushing to have pools available to women for labouring! He actually said a few months ago that Lismore was a bit of a 'white elephant' in the area due to its refusal to act on the needs of the birthing women!! There is also a new hospital proposed to replace both Byron bay and Mullumbimby in the next few years, and a birth clinic (again not centre) is planned for that too. So who knows, in 2004 there may be a vibrant new look for birth in this area!! But at present the usual political and territorial problems exist here - little support for homebirth women and the homebirth midwives, and a decreasing number of practising GP/obs. Hope this helps!! Sue Cookson feeling tired Dear Mullum midwives, Just wondering if midwives working in the Mullumbimby and surrounding areas could fill me in on the work climate up there. I'm living in Melbourne at the moment finishing off a post grad midwifery course. Planning on moving up to Northern NSW towards the end of 2004 with my partner and 2 little girls. I'm passionate about women birthing in a supportive environment and would love to hear about what might be up there for a fairly newly registered midwife who is very KEEN! I hear there is a great birthing community up there - and a birth centre in Mullum? I'd really appreciate some tips from anyone in the know thanks love Jessica Simms -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
Title: Message My love to you and Sarah -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Great! I have my lovely Sarah (19) in hospital with quinsy -drains IV antibiotics etc (She NEVER gets sick so this is a shock to her ) when she had a blood test at the clinic the previous day,she thought the nurse was going to "do it like the blood bank" that she visited with a biology class a couple of years ago - the nurse said -"you MUST have had needles at school ! Sarah nodded "no" - she couldnt talk andhasnt been immunised.The woman asked, were you one of the ones who hid in the toilet? THATs why you are sick now!! -I didnt have the energy to argue -just asked could Sarah please lie down as she wasnt feeling at all well, then sat with her. Thankfully all the hopital nurses have been lovely. Im just on the way back to hospital to see her but will contact the relevant people in the next week or two and will keep you informed. Pinky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Sure, Pinky...I'm ready for anything it takes!! Love, Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Hi Liz, I am a trained advertising copywriter (I have done weekend workshops with some of the top creative directors in Melbourne -with a two year old on my breast -most of these guys were more familiar with the association between breasts and fast cars!)- Yes I can help - my time is very limited but I can take on small chunks and am happy to pass on contacts. I was invited on GMA for an interview this doesnt cost at all -although they have a system where you can pay $3000 for an interview -I have costings for ads in an elusive notebook - they charge per state on a sliding scale so a national ad is a multiple of state prices - Sydney is more expensive withWA and Q lessexpensive,but around $200 per state per 30 second ad - Birthingis a non commercial issue but we need something to pin it on - they arent a current affair show so wont be involved in politics and probably like to think they are not having rabid "birth nazis" on their show. I reckon we could get Nic and Vicki on if GMA was simply sent a copy of their video with a good press release and followup. I am happy to talk to the producer if they are happy to be interviewed!!! They will get about 3 minutes if it comes off - better than 30 seconds!! Then if this comes off - any money raised / sponsorship for an ad can be put towards an ad - TWO bites of the cherry! Do you want me to go ahead and contact the producer?-Vicki are you ready for an interview re midwifery and your and Nics work helping women enjoy birth in this technological age - I think a fairly 'mainstream' approach would be all you will get on Bert - he is a nice interviewerbut conservative and wouldnt be out to create controversy -hiswomen producers are older first time mothers who were probably epiduralled then back to work quite early. The In Union video footage would be a lovely reinforcer for a piece highlighting NMAP and womens choices/the benefits of having your 'own' midwife - not necessarily at home -(Slide all that in sideways around an interview about the video if that is the only way to get it on) -To get on TV/ in the media - it needs to affect a majority or be sensational (ie ACA who only want sensation and edit/ alter the context of anything said during a pre-recorded interview). It also helps to have a website to refer women to for further info. Pinky
RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
Title: Message Hey.. They make me cry every time! And I see them nearly every day! I do believe though, the latest video, "Reach" takes the cake...those who were at Noosa and the latest workshops have seen it! Stunning!! The others have hit the scrap heap!! Time to move on! Fear not, though Tania, like the phoenix, ...your images will rise again.We are always on the lookout for new images so anyone who has amazing photos of pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding, parenting, and would like to help change the world with them...please talk to Nic on 07 3276 1001 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Full permission of those pictured and the photographer if professional shots would be required. BTW Liz N...the glorious image of you, your partner, and your two littlies got snuck in for the final showing of 'From a Distance" beautiful!!If we were to do something for TV, we would do something specially! It would be great!! Love to all...Vic -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom, Tania and Sam SmallwoodSent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the communityI think you're thinking of the wonderful work Vicki and Nic have done with the song "from a distance" by Bette Midler. We were lucky enough to have a couple of our birth photos included in that piece, and yep, gets me going just thinking about it.Taniax
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
Title: Message Oh, golly, here's wishing you both strength, Sister. Aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Great! I have my lovely Sarah (19) in hospital with quinsy -drains IV antibiotics etc
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding web site
www.bfmed.org Dear Julia, is this what you were looking for? Love, Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk
hmmm...same with tobacco? My mother could not understand why I refused breast at 7 months. - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk My observation is during consultationbabies fuss at the breast and eventuallybreast refuse. When I take a detailed history the common denominator is something the mother swallowsevery single day that is altering the taste and smell of her milk and the baby reacts to this. When we investigate the smell and taste and eliminate the possible cause from her ingestion the baby inevitably stops fussing and enjoys breastfeeding again. I think it is more likely to occur early in the breastfeeding history when the mother has been ingesting a common denominator during pregnancy because the taste and smell of the ingested product/food crosses into theliqour. regards, Robyn
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in the UK
Maybe this is what it was like convincing the world that it was round. aviva - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in the UK Hi Oz listers,I read Jo Bainbridge's comments about the lack of support from midwives in OZ for those consuemrs working their butts off for NMAP, and I empathised with her sentiments exactly. Right now I am slogging my way around the UK trying to get midwives to look at their practice and to rediscover their midwifery roots, because midwifery is on a slippery downward slope here in the UK.One reason that midwives are unable to go to meetings etc is that they are overworked because of short staffing etc. When midwives have to work as obstetric nurses this leads to burnout and despondancy. Finding extra time and commitment to go to meetings may just seem impossible.This comment is not intended as an excuse for not getting more invovled, nor a "let out" for midwives - I think they should make that extra effort, because not only will they advance the cause of their own profession, but they will reconnect with passionate consumers who will help to lift their spirits and remind them of what it is all about.I had a shocking experience the other day at a Conference in Wales - too long to write it all up again here - but have a read of my Diary entry. http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.htmlThis is happening in Australia too, I feel sure and we must fight to make sure it does not become widespread.I am hoping that the next Future Birth tour in April will expose a lot more midwives to NMAP and also to ACMI - the last Future Birth tour attracted over 1100 midwives in all, and very few of them were ACMI members, for example. I hope to get a similar number to this series so we can spread the word further and inspire the younger midwives to take up the challenges. Please spread the word! The details are on our web site. http://www.birthinternational.com/event/futbirth2003/index.htmlYours from a wet, cold and windy Wales (wish I could bring some of this rain home with me in 2 weeks!)Andrea-Andrea RobertsonBirth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Educatione-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: www.birthinternational.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] midwives can make a difference
Dear List, Just wanted to let youknow of a seminar at Monash Medical Centre on 4/12/02. Presented by Southern Health and Deakin University it is called Midwives Can Make a Difference. Speakers include Nicky Leap whose keynote address is "how can midwifery practice flourish in a medical environment?" Mary Anne Biro "An appeal to midwives" Hilda Bastian "Midwives working with women to make a difference" Plus Elizabeth Bethune, Diane Phillips, Bobbie Carroll, Nicole Youl,Vanessa Owen and Michael Wilson. It starts at 8.30 for registration, is being held in the main lecture theatre at Monash and costs $120 before 4/11, $150 after and $60 for students (stating student number. Registrations close 28/11. Registration and payment to: Seminar Registration Women's and Children's Programme Office Monash Medical Centre Locked Bag 29 Clayton South 3168 cheques/money orders to Southern Health For further info contact: Women's and Children's Programme 9594 2547 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kerry Chouzadjian 9594 6962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] See you there Sally
FW: [ozmidwifery] pesky consumers
Reminds me of a celtic music festival I was at with my 17 year old daughter.. the bagpipes were going off.. Im saying this is fantastic.. getting my scot blood pumping in my veins.. while my daughter is saying.. Ive got a headache.. this is so boring can we go home.. and I remembered that her dad is English and she was enjoying her birthright too!! Love to you Jo.. what would we be doing if women didnt question the system too.. it would to so lonesome. Love Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jo Dean Bainbridge Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 5:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] pesky consumers hey everyone, thanks for hose who have made comments and thanks to all those off list replies. As I said before, there are mw who are slogging hard and my comments were not directed at you. As I said before, I know you guys work hard and have other commitments too and finding the time is sometimes really hard. There are midwives here in SA who are supportive and so on and I send my love to Tania, Wendy, Roz, Julie, and all the rest. It is sometimes really hard to make the effort to go to meeting after meeting and put in many hours writing and sending letter after letter. I would just like those mw who want change to take a moment to think that there are consumers like Cheryl, Megan and myself who all have children (6 in Cheryl's case; 4 in Megan's and I have three under 6) and we also work in paid employment, run homes, take the kids to sports and such and we each are still running our own particular groups (Homebirth Network, Birth Matters, CARES and now trying to pull even more energy and time to get the SA branch of MC happening) and have to be dealing with all the issues and such that come up within the realms of the groups (like trying to save VBAC in SA)... it is just really hard for us to do this without more support.We need to see that those who are going to benefit from our sacrifices are trying too. God, what a whinge!!! Well I am of British decent...it is my birth rite to be a whinge! And I have spent the last 5 years listening to the whinging of my kids so I just thought I would give it a try.nah! I will have some more chocy instead. Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love...
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads
Title: Message Thanks Vicki Pinky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads My love to you and Sarah -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Great! I have my lovely Sarah (19) in hospital with quinsy -drains IV antibiotics etc (She NEVER gets sick so this is a shock to her ) when she had a blood test at the clinic the previous day,she thought the nurse was going to "do it like the blood bank" that she visited with a biology class a couple of years ago - the nurse said -"you MUST have had needles at school ! Sarah nodded "no" - she couldnt talk andhasnt been immunised.The woman asked, were you one of the ones who hid in the toilet? THATs why you are sick now!! -I didnt have the energy to argue -just asked could Sarah please lie down as she wasnt feeling at all well, then sat with her. Thankfully all the hopital nurses have been lovely. Im just on the way back to hospital to see her but will contact the relevant people in the next week or two and will keep you informed. Pinky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Sure, Pinky...I'm ready for anything it takes!! Love, Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth ads Hi Liz, I am a trained advertising copywriter (I have done weekend workshops with some of the top creative directors in Melbourne -with a two year old on my breast -most of these guys were more familiar with the association between breasts and fast cars!)- Yes I can help - my time is very limited but I can take on small chunks and am happy to pass on contacts. I was invited on GMA for an interview this doesnt cost at all -although they have a system where you can pay $3000 for an interview -I have costings for ads in an elusive notebook - they charge per state on a sliding scale so a national ad is a multiple of state prices - Sydney is more expensive withWA and Q lessexpensive,but around $200 per state per 30 second ad - Birthingis a non commercial issue but we need something to pin it on - they arent a current affair show so wont be involved in politics and probably like to think they are not having rabid "birth nazis" on their show. I reckon we could get Nic and Vicki on if GMA was simply sent a copy of their video with a good press release and followup. I am happy to talk to the producer if they are happy to be interviewed!!! They will get about 3 minutes if it comes off - better than 30 seconds!! Then if this comes off - any money raised / sponsorship for an ad can be put towards an ad - TWO bites of the cherry! Do you want me to go ahead and contact the producer?-Vicki are you ready for an interview re midwifery and your and Nics work helping women enjoy birth in this technological age - I think a fairly 'mainstream' approach would be all you will get on Bert - he is a nice interviewerbut conservative and wouldnt be out to create controversy -hiswomen producers are older first time mothers who were probably epiduralled then back to work quite early. The In Union video footage would be a lovely reinforcer for a piece highlighting NMAP and womens choices/the benefits of having your 'own' midwife - not necessarily at home -(Slide all that in sideways around an interview about the video if that is the only way to get it on) -To get on TV/ in the media - it needs to affect a majority or be sensational (ie ACA who only want sensation and edit/ alter the context of anything said during a pre-recorded interview). It also helps to have a website to refer women to for further info. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community
Title: Message Vicki Have you seen Vicki Bells photos? - lots of bellys and bubs -on my book covers and my website -check out Vickis website too - www.vickibell.com.au Must be a creative name!!pinky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community Hey.. They make me cry every time! And I see them nearly every day! I do believe though, the latest video, "Reach" takes the cake...those who were at Noosa and the latest workshops have seen it! Stunning!! The others have hit the scrap heap!! Time to move on! Fear not, though Tania, like the phoenix, ...your images will rise again.We are always on the lookout for new images so anyone who has amazing photos of pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding, parenting, and would like to help change the world with them...please talk to Nic on 07 3276 1001 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Full permission of those pictured and the photographer if professional shots would be required. BTW Liz N...the glorious image of you, your partner, and your two littlies got snuck in for the final showing of 'From a Distance" beautiful!!If we were to do something for TV, we would do something specially! It would be great!! Love to all...Vic -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom, Tania and Sam SmallwoodSent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the communityI think you're thinking of the wonderful work Vicki and Nic have done with the song "from a distance" by Bette Midler. We were lucky enough to have a couple of our birth photos included in that piece, and yep, gets me going just thinking about it.Taniax
RE: [ozmidwifery] pesky consumers
Hi Jo, thanks for the support, but my husband only knows about the three children he fathered, (3 not 4) HeHeHe Megan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo Dean BainbridgeSent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 8:09To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] pesky consumers hey everyone, thanks for hose who have made comments and thanks to all those off list replies. As I said before, there are mw who are slogging hard and my comments were not directed at you. As I said before, I know you guys work hard and have other commitments too and finding the time is sometimes really hard. There are midwives here in SA who are supportive and so on and I send my love to Tania, Wendy, Roz, Julie, and all the rest. It is sometimes really hard to make the effort to go to meeting after meeting and put in many hours writing and sending letter after letter. I would just like those mw who want change to take a moment to think that there are consumers like Cheryl, Megan and myself who all have children (6 in Cheryl's case; 4 in Megan's and I have three under 6) and we also work in paid employment, run homes, take the kids to sports and such and we each are still running our own particular groups (Homebirth Network, Birth Matters, CARES and now trying to pull even more energy and time to get the SA branch of MC happening) and have to be dealing with all the issues and such that come up within the realms of the groups (like trying to save VBAC in SA)... it is just really hard for us to do this without more support.We need to see that those who are going to benefit from our sacrifices are trying too. God, what a whinge!!! Well I am of British decent...it is my birth rite to be a whinge! And I have spent the last 5 years listening to the whinging of my kids so I just thought I would give it a try.nah! I will have some more chocy instead. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
[ozmidwifery] Fw: your film
Sally Westbury, This is from the national co-ordinator of 'Wild spaces' film festival. I didn't think about asking for it as a side show but even David Rose told me he couldn/t add to the program. In Fremantle, Phoebe Coyne is the contact. 0408098857 [EMAIL PROTECTED] love Liz Mc - Original Message - From: Sal of Wild Spaces [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elizabeth mcalpine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: your film Hi Elizabeth, my name is Sal, which is not short for Sally. Please know, again, that adding five minutes to the festival is not possible. It is not my reponsibility to disseminate any issue, no matter how important it is. I repete, the program is closed for this year and if you wish to screen it in Wild Spaces than you'll need to wait for it to be considered in next year's festival. Sal. -- On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:53:55 elizabeth mcalpine wrote: Dear Sally, My disappointment was great, because when you said you'd be there at 8p.m., I thought I had an appointment with you. If I had known about 'Wild Spaces and this festival, I would have applied to have this film included. It was only recently that I obtained the flyer, thus my request for 'late entry'. It is a matter of urgency to disseminate this short film, which needs no words, to resonate in human, particularly women's consciousness, to explain its message. The film, In Union is about humanizing childbirth in contrast to industrialized childbirth which has severe implications for civilization such as aggression and other dysfunctions, and total disregard for nature's laws. Similarly, this industrialized childbirth is familiar in animal husbandry, and catastrophic births among endangered species in zoos is due to the same ignorance (or rejection??) of mammalian birth physiology. The corollary with industrialized farming with its degradation of the planet, manipulative techniques and recent disasters such as mad cow and foot and mouth disease, antibiotic resistance, exogenous oestrogens and its effects, alerts one to the possibilities of impending disaster in industrialized childbirth. An additional 5 minutes to the program is about 100 breaths - not much at all. Your assistant, whose name I forget (sorry) copied the video to computer. Did he tell you? Did you see it?? Sally, I implore you to view the film and reconsider. Many thanks, Elizabeth McAlpine Subject: your film Hi Elizabeth, As I was leaving to come to you last night my landlords arrived at my house and I felt obliged to talk with them. As we had not made a definete time I did not feel the pressure that you would be here at 8pm and felt that you would leave the tape and an explanation if you did not wish to wait for me. As I already explained to you yesterday when you rang, the festival program is complete and if were to slot in an extra film it would need to be about one minute long, there is not the room for any longer films. If you would like your film to be considered for next year's festival you are more than welcome to forward on your film to next year's coordinators, the details of which will be on the web-site from the start of next year. Again my apologies that I could not meet up with you yesterday. Sal Lintott, Wild Spaces National Coordinator. -- On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:20:24 elizabeth mcalpine wrote: - Original Message - From: elizabeth mcalpine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:47 PM Dear Fellow Social Justice Seekers, The appointment I had with a Sal Lintott in Melbourne, was to discuss the issue of women's choice in childbirth, of which they have none. It is also an increasing global issue - particularly in developed countries, and recommended by the World Health Organization in 1985 as being of paramount importance. Reference can be given if necessary. Industrialized childbirth harms future generations, and leads to lack of respect for nature and the environment. It is so important. Sal did not turn up, and I left 50 minutes later, disappointed and heartbroken. Is anyone at the other venues interested in a 6 minute segment of HUMANIZED BIRTH which needs no words to say what it is about except for future generations rights, as well as womens rights.. ie. the right to non violent birth.It can be arranged that women will attend post screening to explain the situation to interested parties. sincerely, Elizabeth McAlpine __ Outgrown your current e-mail service? Get 25MB Storage, POP3 Access, Advanced Spam protection with LYCOS MAIL PLUS.
[ozmidwifery] Fw:
Dear Listers, Just in case you don't know or have forgotten a previous circulation. "The Art of Birthing"; an exhibition for artists to celebrate creation in its purest form. www.artofbirthing.com.au to raise money for the Maternity Coalition with proceeds shared equally between the artist and MC. www.maternitycoalition.org.au Jan Harrod 03 95377465 Becc Cossartwalsh 0397581608 Just in case you didn't know. Liz Mc
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Listers, Interesting website and magazine - "made" for humanized childbirth supporters. www.byronchild.com love Liz Mc
RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding web site
Dear Barb, Thanks, I'm sure this must be it. I will pass it on to my friend. Cheers, Julia M. www.bfmed.org Dear Julia, is this what you were looking for? Love, Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwives can make a difference
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwives can make a difference Thanks for the info Sally, but wheres NMAP, Id say thats women working with midwives, enough talk we need ACTION!!! In solidarity Justine Dear List, Just wanted to let you know of a seminar at Monash Medical Centre on 4/12/02. Presented by Southern Health and Deakin University it is called Midwives Can Make a Difference. Speakers include Nicky Leap whose keynote address is how can midwifery practice flourish in a medical environment? Mary Anne Biro An appeal to midwives Hilda Bastian Midwives working with women to make a difference Plus Elizabeth Bethune, Diane Phillips, Bobbie Carroll, Nicole Youl,Vanessa Owen and Michael Wilson. It starts at 8.30 for registration, is being held in the main lecture theatre at Monash and costs $120 before 4/11, $150 after and $60 for students (stating student number. Registrations close 28/11. Registration and payment to: Seminar Registration Women's and Children's Programme Office Monash Medical Centre Locked Bag 29 Clayton South 3168 cheques/money orders to Southern Health For further info contact: Women's and Children's Programme 9594 2547 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kerry Chouzadjian 9594 6962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] See you there Sally
Re: [ozmidwifery] here is a hot one
Here's another blank look... out of ignorance, as I work agency and have just come back on line... Also, after so many years of snappy little shortened titles, I find them annoying - NMAP may just be another one of them - snappy little way of saying something about something that someone wants me to buy... No offence is intended, but it's the truth for me. Cheers! Terry - Original Message - From: Malavisi, Pete To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] here is a hot one good on you Jo, you're spot we need to do this together, we have a local group here and sadly I am often the only midwife who attends the meetings and all I can think of is where is everyone else? Last week I put up a notice to set up a working party of midwives to look at our local maternity service, no one has put their name on the list as yet, basically it pisses me off, I know all the reasons why but to be perfectly honest I'm not interested in the excuses any more, maternity services in this country as a rule are appalling and we as a collective have an opportunity to change things for the better, I honestly believe in NMAP and what it stands for and have a great respect for all those who have put the work into it, the least I can do is raise it at any opportunity I can and speak in favour of it, whenever I tell any consumers about it, they think it is a great idea. It worries me though when I get blank looks from many of the midwives I work with, it just all seems a bit too much for them, bad luck I believe in it and for as long as I can I will push for NMAP. yours in midwifery pete malavisi -Original Message-From: Jo Dean Bainbridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 12:54To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] here is a hot one here is a topic that will get many of you annoyed at me!( thought it was about time) I have noticed a trend happening and wanted to point this out. There has been discussion in the past of the lack of consumer support and push for change. Yes, I agree to and extent as most of the community are oblivious to what is going on. Those consumers who do now are usually slogging their arses off to get change...with no real benefits to themselves in any way other than satisfaction that SOMEONE else may not end up with a scar on her belly for no reason (unlike the one on my belly that I can never get free of) Now here is the juicy bit..I am starting to realise that it appears that there is a large portion of midwives who lament about the way birth is today, they know what it happening and yet when there is something like NMAP being suggested it suddenly is left up to consumers to do the work. I am referring to situations like last week when here in SA a meeting was held to see what to do next with NMAP implementationtwo consumers (who work beyond their limits anyway) and one uni lecturer attended..no midwives. I know that women are the ones who will benefit from something like NMAP, but hey! there are midwives that will be in far greater positions career wise (money wise) job satisfaction wise and so forth if NMAP does get implemented. I suppose what I am saying is that yes, consumers need to demand change BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE LEFT TO PUT OUR CHILDREN IN CARE (sorry about caps!) or drag the children to meeting after meeting with pollies; we are not the ones who should be using our home computers and resources and so forth without reimbursement; we are not the ones who should be putting families and friends second to trying to improve maternity services alone! Here in SA we have some very strong and determined women who are not going to benefit from something like NMAP but we are the ones who are working tirelessly to get it happening. I would like to ask all SA midwives if you agree with the NMAP and would like to see it happen here in SA then BE THERE TO SUPPORT US SUPPORT YOU! There is only so much that Cheryl, Megan, Jen, Emma, Carolyn and myself can do guys! Now those of you who know me know that I am not really a bitch (well most of the time), but I am just about ready to say "stuff it" and go and dig in my rose garden and not do anything other than take the occasional phone call in reference to CARES SA. Those of you who know me know how passionate I am about women's rights to the best type of care - midwifery care.but at the moment I am looking around and not seeing any midwife fighting for NMAP with us. I know that many of you are fighting within the system, but we as consumers need to know that you support us by being there at meetings or something!
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk
Of note is a recent booklet put out by GreenPeace - after extensive exploration, S26 was found to contain Genetically modified products... makes me wonder what we are doing in hospitals with our very tiny bubs, feeding them S26 routinely... Heinz on the other hand does not appear to contain GMO's - I discuss these findingswith every mother who is (or is considering) formula feeding - again, many do not know and would probably look at breast feeding a little bit closer if they did know. Cheers! Terry - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk The same applies to the risks of Cow's milk formulas, many babies are sensitised in-utero because of the mothers ingestion during pregnancy and then they have increased risks of all the problems associated with Dairy products. We need to run Breastmilk advertisingto be displayedon National and International media in opposition to the Advertisements about how good cow's milk is. Not many women realise that Infant Formula is Cow's Milk they have a very surprised expression when you explain these things. We need to be educating/informing women, there is so much to learn, everyday I learn something new. I see many babies affected by Cow's milk and of course many other products too. One of the vogue products at present is Blackmores Pregnancy and Breastfeeding capsules.The babies whose mothers are taking these products start tobreast refuse and when I ask the mother to cut the capsule in half and taste it she can clearly understand why the baby doesn't want her milk. Smelling inside the bottle of tablets and other products and tastingwill give you an idea of what the baby experiences. When they stop taking these products inevitably the baby settles back into happy breastfeeding. So the moral to Soy and Cow's Milk is replace it with BREAST MILK and that means EDUCATION regards. Robyn -Original Message-From: Valerie Richard James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Greetings! The British government's Committee on Toxicity in Food and the Environment (C oT) has assessed the risks to consumers of the phytoestrogens (isoflavones) in soy foods and other products, especially the risks toinfants of hormonal disruption from consumption of soy infant formulas You can see their findings here http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/phytoreportworddocs We draw your attention in particular to the chapters on fertility and reproduction, and on thyroid function. You will find more on these topics at www.soyonlineservice.co.nz . Having this information, who would knowingly feed their child soy... or themselves, for that matter? Yet, incredibly, this Committee has not suggested that consumers be told of this. All it does isconclude that doctors only prescribe soy formulas"when clinically indicated"(whatever that means). It does not even suggest that doctors tell their patients what risks there may be, or that these risks should be matters of "informed consent". How many mothers would submit to exposing their baby, if they knew the full extent of risk to their child's future ? Consultations with the UK Food Standards Agency are invited until December 3, 2002. WeURGE you to express an opinion on whether soy baby foods should be sold at all, or whether they should have health warning labeling (eg this product may make your child infertile and cause thyoid diseases), and whether the general public should be warned of the risks to adults. The "Precautuionary Principle" would indicate, from the material offered by the CoT Committee, that isoflavones should be removed from soy protein Sincerely, Valerie.
[ozmidwifery] Invitation to push NMAP for Sunshine Coast midwives
This maybe placed into an inappropriate forum but it may also be a great place to lend an ear to some influential political members and members of the communityabout NMAP. Maybe even Advance Australia where... , this could be birthing reform. All about networking, being seen and heard and preferably not always the same people. Any Sunshine Coast midwife available to attend. I am a bit concerned about the time though 12am - 3 but it did say lunch. Cheers Barb Refugees, War and Terrorism. Advance, Australia Where? Margaret Reynolds National President of the United Nations Association of Australia, Former Qld Senator Joins with Juan Escalante Asylum Seeker, Argentinian Musician And The Sunshine Coast Hinterland Branch of the ALP on Sunday November 24 12am to 3 at The CWA Hall, Short St, Nambour Cost $18 ($15 concession) This includes lunch and music Bookings essential by returning the form and payment to Sunshine Coast Hinterland ALP, PO Box 111, Mapleton 4560 by November 18 For further information phone Ian on 5445 7303 (evenings) or Gillian 5492 4857 Please print off and return with payment I wish to book .. seats for the Lunch with Margaret Reynolds and Juan Escalante Enclosed please find a cheque for (Tickets will be at the door) Name(s)
[ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts?
I have recently been corresponding with a friend of mine who is an obstetrician. He supports midwifery models of care, particularly those that offer integrated choice so that midwives and obstetricians can work together. He did state to me however that he believes one of the great obstacles to such models is the reluctance of most midwives to work other than an 8 hour shift, and to possibly have to do away with family time and holidays and to be called out at odd hours to attend births. I am sure there are probably some out there that do like the straight forwardness of shifts however I would be interested to hear the opinion of you ladies (and gentlemen) about your experience of the dedication of midwives when they are expected to provide ongoing antenatal, birth and postnatal support - outside the normal 8 hour shift, as my gut feeling is that the majority of midwives would love the opportunity to be able to fully use their skills in the support and care of pregnant and birthing women without unnecessary "guidance" or interferrence. DebbyProtect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
