Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Please help Asthma South Australia
excellent, Pinky! thank you a. - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Please help Asthma South Australia Hi Aviva, We have been to the site. My little son is delighted -he is wanting a playstation 2 !! and loves the idea of a (virtual) marathon teeshirt!! Will be entering. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] dimensions - violent birth
I found the forceps story interesting - my sister has 4 children her first delivered vaginally at 36weeks (P/E) But she delivered vaginally although she was a bit sick and baby was a nice little5lb 13oz. - Now - Fine - super inteligent excellerated learning program etc. Very smart girl. Her second was delivered via forceps - f/t - has behaviour problems ADHD short term memory is very poor - learning difficulties. Very hard to handle girl. Third - natural vaginal deliver f/t fine normal child - another lovely girl Fourth - c/s after long labour CPD He has speach difficulties. A smart boy but is still at almost 7 hard to understand and has limited concentration/ communication skills. Both natural almost unassisted deliveries have no problems - the forceps has most difficuties followed by the c/s. there must be something in this. Regards Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 17:04:14 To: ozmidwifery Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] dimensions - violent birth Thanks to whoever sent the transcript. I have since inundated the ABC dimensions with my comments and request for help to get the message across. arrgghh! Its just too much to bear sometimes. Just yesterday, a fellow student and I were chatting after doing some work. She has a 15 yr old. Horrible, violent birth (the usual) After about 18 months, she returned to the hospital to discuss what had happened to her.That helped her a bit butshe still grieves. No more children followed. In actual fact, I make it a point to know birth stories from every woman I know - (I should collect them for a book or something) Oh and here's another. Discussing NMAP, violent birth vs humanized birth etc. as usual with all and sundry one woman at work was listening so intently and I thought, "hello, there's something here". On asking, it turned out that her third child, at full dilatation had cord prolapse. Big emergency, she said. Upside down and then hauled out with forceps. She was advised my a very wise woman, to provide excess sensory stimulation to enable/create neurophysiological recovery caused by damage due to forceps. Very thankful she did that, because as a toddler it helped him develop normally. He's 18 now,but has a very 'dark' side. ie suicidal thoughts. Liz Mc IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Victorian Election Action
Title: Victorian Election Action Justine, could you please provide a sample letter. Our (Yan Yean) Labor Lib candidates are very keen, young and raring to go. I'd love to write to them. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Leslie Cc: OzMid List ; Joy Johnston ; Sally-Anne Brown Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Victorian Election Action This message is of particular interest to Victorians, sorry to everyone else!!Hello AllThe time has come to stop talking about change and get going with some ACTION.The Victorian election is nigh and the Labor only have a minority government. John Thwaites the Vic Health Minister has refused to meet with the Maternity Coalition over reform and NMAP. He is also aware of the Nurses Registration Board being able to de-register midwives who practice without PI insurance, and at the same time has refused to assist IPMs with PI.It is now time to show Labor we mean business and demand to be heard. The Greens want to make NMAP a feature of their health policy launch so we need as many women as possible to show the Bracks Gov their is votes in this. If you can do one thing to support NMAP please do this. At the moment it looks like it will be on Nov 21, but I will have definite details in the next couple of days. (Any midwives out there can you please commit to bringing a few clients/former clients with you, also Tina we need the Bmidders!!!)If you are in the following electorates I suggest you write a letter to your local member and to Thwaites saying how unwise it is not to listen to women and their familes and how you intend to vote accordingly. Should people want/need a sample letter to base their around I am happy to help.The Bracks Government is focussing on the following seats in Metro MelbMitcham, including the suburbs of Mitcham and BlackburnBentleigh, including the suburbs of Bentleigh and MoorabbinEltham, including the suburbs of Lower Plenty and ResearchNarrewarren South including the suburbs of Hallam and Narrewarran SouthCranbourne including the suburbs of Frankston North, Carrum Downs and CranbourneThe inner city seats are also very important re preference deals and includeMelbourne including the suburbs of Flemington, ParkvilleRichmond including the suburbs of Clifton Hill, Fitzroy and RichmondBrunswick including the suburbs of Moreland, BrunswickNortrhcote including the suburbs of Northcote, Fairfield and Thornbury, In solidarity Justine Caines
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC of twins
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC of twins Hi all, All I can say is that obviously the ob is terrified of normal deliveries and maybe has not seen a normal twin delivery to 2 healthy babes. First baby headdown is the best scenario (for a homebirth anyway) so he should relax and enjoy the woman's power in birth. The woman on the other hand should be made aware of his lack of experience in normal twins birth and should be helped to make her decision about the birth based on all the information - any homebirth midwives around withmore twins experience than him?? Could be good support for her at this late stage... Sue Mother of 4 homeborn babes and birth attendant to many, including 3 sets of twins all born normally... Just a query...the hospital I work in has a fairly high caesarian section rate unfortunately. I admitted a woman for rest last week (at 37 weeks) who is expecting twins...second pregnancy...first was an elective luscs because of 'high head at term'- otherwise known as cephalo pelvic disproportion. This time, both twins are cephalic, first twin's presenting part is very low in the pelvis and is well and truly engaged. Is such a shame that this woman's obstetrician will not even discuss the concept of vaginal birth after caesarian don't you think? I welcome any comments anyone would like to make please. Regards, Jenny Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here http://g.msn.com/8HMFEN/2023 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] australian story
Wasn'tthe first birthan emergency c/s?I got the feeling she thought the baby was alive and well before labour started and then the baby pased mec, the emergency c/s and the MAS.I think there was a lot of fear involved and I think at least in the Women's Weekly story the mum acknowledged that. I too was disappointed that she opted for a ceasarean birth, but I have never had to face her situation. Many, many issues which may or may not ever be faced. I worked with an amazing woman in the USAwho had a very empowering homebirth vbac with her second daughter after a stillbirth due to ascending E.coli infection with her first. Her first birth had been an intended homebirth that wastransfered to the hospital for prolonged labour after prolonged rupture of membranes and mec liquor. The mum and babe were monitored with ctg upon admission and a satisfactory trace was obtained. The cesarean was finally done for so-called FTP but not fetal distress, the baby was moribund when born, though they did try to resuscitate her. Apparently the whole theatre staff were crying, as they had all expected a live baby. This birth had happened in a small rural hospital in another state, so everyone new each other it was very traumatic. The mom had not dilated past 3cm during this birth. So, with her second birth we decided that if we had to do a VE no matter what it would never be 3cm. This mom worked so hard on processing all through her pregnancy and before and afterwards, on many levels too psychological, spiritual, physical. When she did go into labour, she galloped along so that when I got there and she requested a VE there was no lying about her 6cm and 2 hours later she had a lovely 9.5 lb baby girl crying in her arms. Mom had been certain she was having a boy, and was just overjoyed and overwhelmed with her daughter. Just my thoughts. marilyn - Original Message - From: Grant and Louise To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] australian story Vanessa's first birth was a C/section too. Was that safe? LOUISE [EMAIL PROTECTED] IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Fw: A Smooth Song
Some light hearted relief - this had me in stitches. If you have time to have a look and have speakers connected it is worth having a look at. Regards Rhondahttp://www.madblast.com/funflash/swf/PenisSong8.swf IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: A Smooth Song
You've done it again, Rhonda! Thanks for tickling our collective funny bones. Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: A Smooth Song Some light hearted relief - this had me in stitches. If you have time to have a look and have speakers connected it is worth having a look at. Regards Rhondahttp://www.madblast.com/funflash/swf/PenisSong8.swf IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Senate PI report
Dear Barb, I couldn't get this to open. Any ideas? Regards, Lois - Original Message - From: Vernon at Stringybark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Senate PI report Dear all, Meg lees office forwarded me this link to the latest Senate Economic References Committee report on PI insurance, for your info. Barb Dr Barbara Vernon National President Maternity Coalition http://wopared/Senate/committee/economics_ctte/publib_insur/report/contents. htm -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] introducing birthtalk
Title: introducing birthtalk Hi - I have been lurking for a little while now, and after all the discussion on Birth Trauma and c/secs etc, I felt I must come out of lurkdom and introduce myself! Firstly, for all the women who have been sharing their traumatic experiences (Rhonda, Jo) - I am so very sorry for what you had to go through to meet your babies. It breaks my heart. I am grateful for your honesty - thank you. I, too had a traumatic caesarean, three and a half years ago. Actually, Cathy Cornack (who was interviewed on the Dimensions program) asked me to be interviewed with her for the show...but at that stage, I just couldn't do it. I was still too raw and grieving. It took me 2.5 years to begin to grieve, and then it came out with a vengeance. My story is so similar to Cathy's that we couldn't believe it when we sat and compared notes : our babies were born a month apart, planned Birth Centre birth in Sydney (we both have since moved to Brisbane), very long labours, OP babies, non-supportive carers, sectioned at around 9 cms, no post-natal support for the experiences, difficulties bonding, and breastfeeding, and even just surviving every day. I have since done a lot of personal research, and a lot of crying, and a lot of talking, and sharing on lists such as the ICAN (International Caesarean Awareness Network) list and the hbac (Home Birth After C/sec) lists. It has been a long road to healing. In fact Jenny Gamble, the midwife interviewed on NEw Dimensions, was instrumental in my healing, as I spent about an hour crying to her and sharing my story, in the early stages of my grieving. She really helped me separate the grief from the trauma and made me aware that the trauma would not go away on its own - it must be acknowledged and dealt with. So, anyway, now I have come such a long way, I have wanted to share what I have learned, and help other women heal, or avoid what I went through. So, along with my sister-in-law (a midwife and childbirth educator), and a mutual family friend (a homebirth vbac mum), we have decided to combine forces and start a positive birthing group. Our group is called birthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth. We aim to : * provide a forum for women to share their thoughts, expectations and experiences of birth * empower women by providing access to current and accurate literature information about their birthing options *encourage an atmosphere of celebration of birth, and of ourselves as women. We had 10 women at the last meeting, 7 who have had caesareans, and 3 of those women have had two c/sec births. All of these women have been traumatised by their experiences except one (who was arguing right up until theatre). We had one newly pg first time mum, and 2 home birth mums (one was a vbac). Actually, when we debriefed at the end of the meeting, the first-time mum said that she had felt out of place at the start of the meeting, then realised that she thought she could just be taken care of and let the Dr look after her...but now realises that she is going to need to read more, and take more responsibility, and be more informed. That just sent a glow to my heart. Anyway - just wanted to say hello - and thank you to all of you for what you are doing to reform the way we birth, and for having the courage to ask the questions. Melissa Bruijn birthtalk meets monthly at Toowong, in Brisbane, Australia email us at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Melissa : ph (07) 3356 7449 Debby : ph (07) 3379 7424 Karen : ph (07) 3720 1101
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives to discuss maternity crisis
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives to discuss maternity crisis dEAR ROBIN I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MET YOU ON THE sATURDAY WHEN I WAS AT THE CONFERENCE dENISE - Original Message - From: Robin Moon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives to discuss maternity crisis And what a great conference it was. Lots of food for thought. and some wicked dancing thrown in. - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives to discuss maternity crisis On 2/11/02 3:48 PM, "elizabeth mcalpine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Robyn's post.I didn't know about this conference in Byron Bay. Who does??http://news.ninemsn.com.au/National/story 41759.asp thanks, Liz McDear LizThe Byron Bay event was the annual conference of the NSWMA (Branch of the ACMI)All branches of the ACMI hold an annual conference as do many of the sub-branches.Lynne Staff, Denise Hynd and myself manned a stand on behalf of the Maternity Coalition on both days and gave away over 200 fliers with information on the NMAP and applications to join the Coalition.We hope to see the MCs numbers soaring now and more interest from midwives becoming members. There were many midwives who were not aware of the Coaliation and its support of the midwife choice for all Australian women.CheersJan__Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]8 Robin Crescent www: midwiferyeducation.com.auSouth Hurstville NSW 2221 National Coordinator, ASIM__
Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing birthtalk
Title: introducing "birthtalk" Dear Melissa, There are just too many traumatic births. Your group will grow huge - I'm sure that thousands of women will benefit in some small way, by sharing their stories. Liz Mc - Original Message - From: rem melissa bruijn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] introducing "birthtalk" Hi - I have been lurking for a little while now, and after all the discussion on Birth Trauma and c/secs etc, I felt I must come out of lurkdom and introduce myself!Firstly, for all the women who have been sharing their traumatic experiences (Rhonda, Jo) - I am so very sorry for what you had to go through to meet your babies. It breaks my heart. I am grateful for your honesty - thank you.I, too had a traumatic caesarean, three and a half years ago. Actually, Cathy Cornack (who was interviewed on the Dimensions program) asked me to be interviewed with her for the show...but at that stage, I just couldn't do it. I was still too raw and grieving. It took me 2.5 years to begin to grieve, and then it came out with a vengeance. My story is so similar to Cathy's that we couldn't believe it when we sat and compared notes : our babies were born a month apart, planned Birth Centre birth in Sydney (we both have since moved to Brisbane), very long labours, OP babies, non-supportive carers, sectioned at around 9 cms, no post-natal support for the experiences, difficulties bonding, and breastfeeding, and even just surviving every day.I have since done a lot of personal research, and a lot of crying, and a lot of talking, and sharing on lists such as the ICAN (International Caesarean Awareness Network) list and the hbac (Home Birth After C/sec) lists. It has been a long road to healing. In fact Jenny Gamble, the midwife interviewed on NEw Dimensions, was instrumental in my healing, as I spent about an hour crying to her and sharing my story, in the early stages of my grieving. She really helped me separate the grief from the trauma and made me aware that the trauma would not go away on its own - it must be acknowledged and dealt with.So, anyway, now I have come such a long way, I have wanted to share what I have learned, and help other women heal, or avoid what I went through. So, along with my sister-in-law (a midwife and childbirth educator), and a mutual family friend (a homebirth vbac mum), we have decided to combine forces and start a positive birthing group.Our group is called "birthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth". We aim to : * provide a forum for women to share their thoughts, expectations and experiences of birth* empower women by providing access to current and accurate literature information abouttheir birthing options *encourage an atmosphere of celebration of birth, and of ourselves as women.We had 10 women at the last meeting, 7 who have had caesareans, and 3 of those women have had two c/sec births. All of these women have been traumatised by their experiences except one (who was arguing right up until theatre). We had one newly pg first time mum, and 2 home birth mums (one was a vbac). Actually, when we debriefed at the end of the meeting, the first-time mum said that she had felt out of place at the start of the meeting, then realised that she thought she could just be "taken care of" and let the Dr look after her...but now realises that she is going to need to read more, and take more responsibility, and be more informed. That just sent a glow to my heart.Anyway - just wanted to say hello - and thank you to all of you for what you are doing to reform the way we birth, and for having the courage to ask the questions.Melissa Bruijnbirthtalk meets monthly at Toowong, in Brisbane, Australiaemail us at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Melissa : ph (07) 3356 7449 Debby : ph (07) 3379 7424Karen : ph (07) 3720 1101
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing
Hi Frank, I have been very intersted in hypnobirthing since visiting with Nancy Wainer Cohen in the USA. I am still waiting for someone to come to Perth and do some training workshops. Is there anything in the wind? Cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Victorian Election Action
Justine, I am a BMidder Victoria Uni I will definitely do whatever I can. My partner I would be interested in seeing a sample letter, as he votes in the hot spot of West Gippsland. Thanks again for all of your hard work, Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Promotion of midwifery at the X-mas pageant
Hi all, the Birth Network is going to be handing out flyers at Adelaide's Christmas Pageant, Sat 9th Nov,(this weekend). We will meet in front of Parliament House between 9 and 9.15am, probably stay around North Tce. We have no idea how successful this will be, but we are going to give it a try. The fylers are to promote midwifery and the National Maternity Action Plan. Cheryl Glenie(bright red hair), Merridy Koch and Megan Resch are definites, so look out for us and all the kids. (like finding a needle in a haystack I know). Hope to see you there, Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] australian story
Marilyn: we need more of these stories - thanks so much for sharing this one with us. Cheers! terry - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] australian story Wasn'tthe first birthan emergency c/s?I got the feeling she thought the baby was alive and well before labour started and then the baby pased mec, the emergency c/s and the MAS.I think there was a lot of fear involved and I think at least in the Women's Weekly story the mum acknowledged that. I too was disappointed that she opted for a ceasarean birth, but I have never had to face her situation. Many, many issues which may or may not ever be faced. I worked with an amazing woman in the USAwho had a very empowering homebirth vbac with her second daughter after a stillbirth due to ascending E.coli infection with her first. Her first birth had been an intended homebirth that wastransfered to the hospital for prolonged labour after prolonged rupture of membranes and mec liquor. The mum and babe were monitored with ctg upon admission and a satisfactory trace was obtained. The cesarean was finally done for so-called FTP but not fetal distress, the baby was moribund when born, though they did try to resuscitate her. Apparently the whole theatre staff were crying, as they had all expected a live baby. This birth had happened in a small rural hospital in another state, so everyone new each other it was very traumatic. The mom had not dilated past 3cm during this birth. So, with her second birth we decided that if we had to do a VE no matter what it would never be 3cm. This mom worked so hard on processing all through her pregnancy and before and afterwards, on many levels too psychological, spiritual, physical. When she did go into labour, she galloped along so that when I got there and she requested a VE there was no lying about her 6cm and 2 hours later she had a lovely 9.5 lb baby girl crying in her arms. Mom had been certain she was having a boy, and was just overjoyed and overwhelmed with her daughter. Just my thoughts. marilyn - Original Message - From: Grant and Louise To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] australian story Vanessa's first birth was a C/section too. Was that safe? LOUISE [EMAIL PROTECTED] IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Why women cry
This really is a nice read A little boy asked his mother, "Why are you crying?" "Because I'm a woman," she told him. "I don't understand," he said. His Mom just hugged him and said, "And you never will." Later the little boy asked his father, "Why does mother seem to cry for no reason?" "All women cry for no reason," was all his dad could say. The little boy grew up and became a man, still wondering why women cry. Finally he put in a call to God. When God got on the phone, he asked, "God, why do women cry so easily?" God said: "When I made the woman she had to be special. I made her shoulders strong enough to carry the weight of the world, yet gentle enough to give comfort. I gave her an inner strength to endure childbirth and the rejection that many times comes from her children. I gave her a hardness that allows her to keep going when everyone else gives up, and take care of her family through sickness and fatigue without complaining. I gave her the sensitivity to love her children under any and all circumstances, even when her child has hurt her very badly. I gave her strength to carry her husband through his faults and fashioned her from his rib to protect his heart. I gave her wisdom to know that a good husband never hurts his wife, but sometimes tests her strengths and her resolve to stand beside him unfalteringly. And finally, I gave her a tear to shed. This is hers exclusively to use whenever it is needed." "You see my son," said God, "the beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman must be seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart -- the place where love resides." Please send this to five beautiful women you know today. If you do, something good will happen - You will boost another woman's self-esteem!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing
Hi, Peter Packson is the only authorized trainer in Australia and you need to ask him what his plans are. His email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Happy to answer any questions. Regards, Frank Jockel www.thefutureis.com 03-9885-0440 ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 07 November 2002 11:19:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing Hi Frank, I have been very intersted in hypnobirthing since visiting withNancy Wainer Cohen in the USA. I am still waiting for someone to come toPerth and do some training workshops. Is there anything in the wind?Cheers, MM--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe..
RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC of twins
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC of twins Where I work twin births are 'done' under epidural for manilipation pf the second twin Very scary, especially when the ob panics and drags the second bubby out. what I find even scarier is that the drs do not trust women to birth, wanting to do VE's 4 hrly put up synt if dilation 'slow' and tying women up to CTG's. The real scary bit is the other midwives, including the 'pro-active' ones all think it's ok, VBACs are still referred to as 'trial of scar'. I'm getting a bit tired of being corrected for saying 'delivery' by someone who does routine ARM's and VEs. Pro active is a bit more than words. Maureen. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sue CooksonSent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC of twinsHi all,All I can say is that obviously the ob is terrified of normal deliveries and maybe has not seen a normal twin delivery to 2 healthy babes.First baby headdown is the best scenario (for a homebirth anyway) so he should relax and enjoy the woman's power in birth. The woman on the other hand should be made aware of his lack of experience in normal twins birth and should be helped to make her decision about the birth based on all the information - any homebirth midwives around withmore twins experience than him?? Could be good support for her at this late stage...SueMother of 4 homeborn babes and birth attendant to many, including 3 sets of twins all born normally... Just a query...the hospital I work in has a fairly high caesarian section rate unfortunately. I admitted a woman for rest last week (at 37 weeks) who is expecting twins...second pregnancy...first was an elective luscs because of 'high head at term'- otherwise known as cephalo pelvic disproportion. This time, both twins are cephalic, first twin's presenting part is very low in the pelvis and is well and truly engaged. Is such a shame that this woman's obstetrician will not even discuss the concept of vaginal birth after caesarian don't you think? I welcome any comments anyone would like to make please. Regards,Jenny Surf the Web without missing calls!Get MSN Broadband. Click Here http://g.msn.com/8HMFEN/2023 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] registration
It seems I have a few of options re work (non of which are caseload - later I hope) which I am mulling over; BUT my big news at the moment is: OK!! you have it hot off the internet... I am registered to practise as a non-nurse, midwife only, in Queensland, Australia as of November 7th, 2002. You can see this for yourself by going to. www.qnc.qld.gov.au then go to online inquiries/registration (or something similar) then public inquiries enter my name: Marilyn Kleidon, DOB: Day/month /year :1/12/1951 or my (non) nurse ID#: QLD020021147 and you will bring up my very public authorisation. he he hah hah!! I am authorised under S.77(4) Nursing act 1992 to practise as a midwife only. Very excitedly marilyn (non-nurse midwife) - Original Message - From: Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? I too, think that is an excellant idea Marilyn Cheers, Joanne BTW have you ended up finding a place to work? - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? re: a portfolio of caseload working arrangements Marilyn, what a great idea! I think the seed has been planted in many BMid students who never would have considered independent practice before they began the course. It's great to hear from Jessica that grad dip progams are also nurturing continuity of caregiver, etc. Love, Jen - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 4, 2002 7:07 am Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? As always Tina you say it all so well. I think we should generate a portfolio of caseload working arrangements that have worked or are working well for midwives on the list so that those who like the theory of caseload but are apprehensive about the practice in their lives, can see the reality of the situation. We can also learn from practices that burn midwives out and/or are unsatisfactory to women. Obviously there are probably as many variations of practice arrangements as there are midwives however, for those just branching out some well worn paths could be helpful. I think if midwives realised that (hopefully) caseload could include everything from one birth per month to five or six births a month depending on the individual midwife / group of midwives. marilyn -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] training
Dear Liz The ACMI competency standards have not been adopted by all registering authorities. For example the Nurses Registration Board of NSW has a set of seven competencies for midwives which bear little resemblance to the ACMI competencies. They can be access at www.nursesreg.nsw.gov.au. Part of my role is to assess overseas qualified midwives seeking authorisation to practice midwifery. Happy to talk to you about that at anytime Janet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2002 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] training In a message dated 5/11/02 3:15:31 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear midwife students. I need to review a training program/strategy. Can anyone send me something, with competencies/objectives?? Many thanks Liz McAlpine Hi Liz try the ACMI webite at www.acmi.org.au...under the link of profssional documents you will find the ACMI Competency Standards for Midwives (2002). These standards are the minimum 'benchmarks' for midwifery practice. Cheers Tina P.
Re: [ozmidwifery] registration
Hearty, hearty CONGRATULATIONS, Marilyn!!! Well done! May you assist women and babies -- and fathers --in beautiful births for many years to come! Love, Aviva - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] registration It seems I have a few of options re work (non of which are caseload - laterI hope) which I am mulling over; BUT my big news at the moment is:OK!! you have it hot off the internet... I am registered to practise as anon-nurse, midwife only, in Queensland, Australia as of November 7th, 2002.You can see this for yourself by going to.www.qnc.qld.gov.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] registration
CONGRATULATIONS, MARILYN !! A BREAKTHROUGH for you, and others who will follow. Well done. Lois - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] registration It seems I have a few of options re work (non of which are caseload - later I hope) which I am mulling over; BUT my big news at the moment is: OK!! you have it hot off the internet... I am registered to practise as a non-nurse, midwife only, in Queensland, Australia as of November 7th, 2002. You can see this for yourself by going to. www.qnc.qld.gov.au then go to online inquiries/registration (or something similar) then public inquiries enter my name: Marilyn Kleidon, DOB: Day/month /year :1/12/1951 or my (non) nurse ID#: QLD020021147 and you will bring up my very public authorisation. he he hah hah!! I am authorised under S.77(4) Nursing act 1992 to practise as a midwife only. Very excitedly marilyn (non-nurse midwife) - Original Message - From: Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? I too, think that is an excellant idea Marilyn Cheers, Joanne BTW have you ended up finding a place to work? - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? re: a portfolio of caseload working arrangements Marilyn, what a great idea! I think the seed has been planted in many BMid students who never would have considered independent practice before they began the course. It's great to hear from Jessica that grad dip progams are also nurturing continuity of caregiver, etc. Love, Jen - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 4, 2002 7:07 am Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? As always Tina you say it all so well. I think we should generate a portfolio of caseload working arrangements that have worked or are working well for midwives on the list so that those who like the theory of caseload but are apprehensive about the practice in their lives, can see the reality of the situation. We can also learn from practices that burn midwives out and/or are unsatisfactory to women. Obviously there are probably as many variations of practice arrangements as there are midwives however, for those just branching out some well worn paths could be helpful. I think if midwives realised that (hopefully) caseload could include everything from one birth per month to five or six births a month depending on the individual midwife / group of midwives. marilyn -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing birthtalk
Title: introducing "birthtalk" Wonderful! Go from victim to survivor to thriver to triumpher. As a female Vietnam veteran who broke silence after nearly twenty-six years' silence, I can vouch for the effectiveness of both talking and writing as therapeutic assets. A must for all trauma survivors. By the way, some of my Vietnam writing will be read at The Wall in Washington and the Writers' Tent on Memorial Day (equivalent of our Remembrance Day, 11/11). Have been invited to go over to give two half hour presentations next year, at the tenth anniversary of the dedication of the Vietnam Women Veterans' Memorial. I'll be passing the hat. Yes, talk, write, paint, draw, sing, dance, you name it, get it out out out and make sure people know about it. And please, teach children -- yours and others -- about the minute's silence in respect for those whose children will never see them, who died so that we may indeed battle for birthrites/birthrights. It's such a shame it went from three minutes to one, and even that, so many people don't even recognise. One minute of standing still is a very small time. Aviva - Original Message - From: elizabeth mcalpine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing "birthtalk" Dear Melissa, There are just too many traumatic births. Your group will grow huge - I'm sure that thousands of women will benefit in some small way, by sharing their stories. Liz Mc
RE: [ozmidwifery] training
Dear All, It is a real disappointment to me that the national ACMI competencies have not been adopted by NSW nurses registration board. It deminishes midwifery as a profession when there is this division. Kathleen Fahy --Kathleen FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity Drive,Callaghan, 2308 Ph 02 49215966 Fax 02 49216981 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 03:47pm Dear Liz The ACMI competency standards have not been adopted by all registering authorities. For example the Nurses Registration Board of NSW has a set of seven competencies for midwives which bear little resemblance to the ACMI competencies. They can be access at www.nursesreg.nsw.gov.au. Part of my role is to assess overseas qualified midwives seeking authorisation to practice midwifery. Happy to talk to you about that at anytime Janet -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2002 4:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "training" In a message dated 5/11/02 3:15:31 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear midwife students.I need to review a training program/strategy.Can anyone send me something, with competencies/objectives??Many thanksLiz McAlpine Hi Liztry the ACMI webite at www.acmi.org.au...under the link of profssional documents you will find the ACMI Competency Standards for Midwives (2002). These standards are the minimum 'benchmarks' for midwifery practice.Cheers Tina P.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing Training
Hi, It seems that my little message about HypnoBirthing has kindled a lot of interest. At this point in time, there is only one Authorized HypnoBirthing Practitioner Trainer in Oz, and he is Peter Jackson (Midwife - Bowral) [EMAIL PROTECTED] . We are working on getting that list expanded, however in Peter's words, we have to hasten slowly. He is happy to talk about training and will consider any option, however, he is a busy and wonderful midwife at Bowral. So see what he has to say... Regards, Frank ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 07 November 2002 04:48:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing And Brisbane too? Jodie Miller On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:15, Mary Murphy wrote: Hi Frank, I have been very intersted in hypnobirthing since visiting with Nancy Wainer Cohen in the USA. I am still waiting for someone to come to Perth and do some training workshops. Is there anything in the wind? Cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. . -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Susanna Joy arrived :)
BIG BUNDLE OF JOY :)) Hi everyone! Its me, your Brazilian silent member again Most of you wont remember me, but Id like to sincerely thank all of you who have given me a few words of encouragement since I was 39 weeks pregnant and being pressured by medical staff to be induced. This is a great mailing list and reading it has been most edifying, challenging and inspirational to me. Thanks to Sally Westbury, Mary Murphy, Debby_M, Andrea Robertson, Vicki and especially Lois Wattis with whom I met in person a few times. Above all I thank my own mother who gave birth to 5 children naturally and has counseled me to let my body do its own performance for my sake and the sake of baby Susanna Joy. My doctor is known as the baby doctor in the area, assisting over 40 births per month and all labeled as normal deliveries. I spent my whole pregnancy telling him how I wanted to have a natural birth this time (I was induced with my previous baby and didnt have such a good experience), and how I wanted dim lights, no drugs, etc . I had typed my birth plan very clearly and etc. When it came to my 39 weeks he suddenly changed his discourse and told me I needed to be induced because my baby was too big. Midwives and RNs telling me that my placenta would get too mature, and/or my amniotic fluid would not be enough to feed my baby, etc etc etc. They wanted to have a ctg trace every so often and one nurse even wanted to use some sort of vibrator on my belly to make my baby jump Oh the horror I had to go through and had to be even rude or else they would have their way. The doctor who is so hard to catch (yes, it seems doctors have a very precious time and clients time is usually not counted as valuable, not worth even peanuts) was suddenly ringing my house and making bookings with the hospital for my induction. I kept saying NO and canceling these bookings and with the support of my husband we waited until my darling baby girl decided it was her time. It was 10 days later, when I had just the one strong contraction and off we went to the hospital arriving there at 2:30 am to find out I was already fully dilated. My membranes had not ruptured as yet, and the contractions were then quite strong. I asked to be on my knees as I found that to be the most comfortable position at the time. As if things were not going fast enough, this midwife kept asking me to let her rupture my membranes as it would get things going. I would not give in; of course, it was only a matter of her waiting a little bit. My membranes ruptured naturally at 3:20 am and my darling baby Susanna Joy was born at 3:40 am. All in all, it took us only 1 hour and 10 minutes from the time we arrived in the hospital. As soon as I arrived I asked them to ring the doctor, but they rang much later, he arrived just after the birth, which was ok, as I was feeling he had not much to do apart from giving me a few stitches on my perineum area. Susanna was born spontaneously weighing 4.604 kilos (or around 10.2 pounds in the old money), she was born very beautifully, and ready to breastfeed and even bite LOL! She is now 3 and a half weeks old. I havent written before as I now have my hands pretty full, we also have another baby (Daniel) who is just 18 months old older than Susanna. Physically I am a wreck, as I still havent managed to get a routine with sleep etc, but I am so happy that my baby girl had her way and came to this world so well! We are a very happy family here in WA! And I am so glad that I could finally have the chance of giving birth naturally! Now I need to join the TUT club (Two Under Two) _ double the work anddoublethe blessings! Love, Jackie
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Born in the sea.
- Original Message - From: Julie Garratt Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 5:19 PM To: BMid Subject: Born in the sea. Hi all, I think with all this cascade of intervention stuff happening. I would like to tell you very quickly about the birth of my dear friend. He is from PNG and lived by the water in a very hot climate. Afterhis motherhad senther husband to get her sister to help and support her while she gave birth.She decided that she would go and sit on the beachwhere it was cool and the water would ease her pain. It was apparently a long way to the next village and when the father and the sister had returned to find that she wasn't labouring in their house as expected the sister was drawn by some unknown force down to the beach. The mother turned around andacknowledged the arrival of her sister just as a glistening wet babydropped onto the sand. The now aunty and mother were laughing as they washed the sand from him in the sea water because they thought that this meant he was going to be a fisherman and not a farmer like his father. I was charmed by this birth story and I'm so glad heshared it with me. Its funny though because my friend doesn't seem to think its that special, he did say that as far as he knows babies aren't usually born in the ocean in his village. He also said that there were no midwives just mothers, friends and sisters to support women to give birth. He also said that it was definitely women's business then in the next breath he told me how much he enjoyed watching all of his babies being born here in Australia. Its a funny world! Julie'', Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact
I suggest tjhat you allow her to be angry and to vent her pain and her anger towards those who caused it. Support her in complaining to the hospital and insisting upon answers as lame as they may be. If she were to ask why was the induction needed? Was the baby in distress (at the time of the first insertion of gel - a horrible substance called prostin made from Pig seamen. Lovely!) Was her placenta failing? What was the indication that at 10 days over she needed to be induced anyway? Then once they have wormed out of that she should ask for explanations as to why all of the intervention and what caused it and why was it all needed. Give her lots of love and support to do this as nothing will change and it will keep happening unless women are encouraged to complain and conplain and complain! Even if she personally gets little satisfaction fron the complaint it is just one more brick to add - eventually we will built a wall to protect women from this - brick by brick. You need to complain first to the registra at the hospital but at the same time go directly to the medical practitioners board and make sure it outlines that the initial induction was not called for and the following intervention could have been avoided. Also any poor bedside manner should be outlines clearly if they were rude to her which it seems they were not supportive and gentle from your description. I wish her love and luck in her recovery - if she needs someone to talk to you are welcome to give her my email. The problem is this happens every day and it is not looked at as torture or as something that needs to be changed. The only way it will be seen as a problem is if they are inundated with complaints about this sort of thing. Luv Rhonda. I am so angry for her - it just shpuld not happen and make sure she knows she is right to be upset because it is not a fault with her body and it is not that it just happens - it should not have happened to her. Make sure she knows why it was not necessary and why it should not have happened. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 07, 2002 14:44:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact Whew, Rhonda. I heard this morning from a friend about a friend of hers, aged 19, whose baby was 10 days late; ob insisted on inducing with gel, nothing much happening, into hosp., more drugs, foetal monitoring, on her back, strapped down to bed, more drugs, epidural, more of same, enormous episiotomy, cut artery, blood gushing in spurts, vacuum to head, two big men hauling as though it was a tug-of-war, massive lump on baby's head accompanied by ring of scars, she's stitched up, off her face, baby won't wake up, won't feed, she's being pumped every six hours for milk which they're somehow force feeding to baby. but hey, at least she's ok and the baby's ok, they tell her, and she repeats as she recovers from her torture. Yes, it's happening under our noses. In Adelaide, November, 2002. ...and I'm screaming inside for women and children...who are our future. Aviva - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Interesting fact Well Megan, I guess the only way to really understand is this.. I can honestly and acceptingly say (as I cannot change what has happened and I have dealt with it in my own way) IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Re: training
Hi Liz, If you want to investigate a training that is not within a University, you would be welcome to investigate/review our Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education. We have clearly defined competencies and performance criteria for all aspects of this course. Let me know. Cheers Andrea At 17:52 5/11/2002, elizabeth mcalpine wrote: Thanks Tina, I have that.. I was thinking that in your training you would have 'competency units' leading to performance criteria. Do you??? love, Liz - Original Message - From: mailto:TinaPettigrew;aol.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] training In a message dated 5/11/02 3:15:31 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:lizmcalpine;ihug.com.au[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear midwife students. I need to review a training program/strategy. Can anyone send me something, with competencies/objectives?? Many thanks Liz McAlpine Hi Liz try the ACMI webite at http://www.acmi.org.au...underwww.acmi.org.au...under the link of profssional documents you will find the ACMI Competency Standards for Midwives (2002). These standards are the minimum 'benchmarks' for midwifery practice. Cheers Tina P. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] registration
Oh wow. That's fabulous news. Congratulations Marilyn. Margie At Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:12:46 -0800, Marilyn Kleidon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It seems I have a few of options re work (non of which are caseload - later I hope) which I am mulling over; BUT my big news at the moment is: OK!! you have it hot off the internet... I am registered to practise as a non-nurse, midwife only, in Queensland, Australia as of November 7th, 2002. You can see this for yourself by going to. www.qnc.qld.gov.au then go to online inquiries/registration (or something similar) then public inquiries enter my name: Marilyn Kleidon, DOB: Day/month /year :1/12/1951 or my (non) nurse ID#: QLD020021147 and you will bring up my very public authorisation. he he hah hah!! I am authorised under S.77(4) Nursing act 1992 to practise as a midwife only. Very excitedly marilyn (non-nurse midwife) - Original Message - From: Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? I too, think that is an excellant idea Marilyn Cheers, Joanne BTW have you ended up finding a place to work? - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? re: a portfolio of caseload working arrangements Marilyn, what a great idea! I think the seed has been planted in many BMid students who never would have considered independent practice before they began the course. It's great to hear from Jessica that grad dip progams are also nurturing continuity of caregiver, etc. Love, Jen - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 4, 2002 7:07 am Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? As always Tina you say it all so well. I think we should generate a portfolio of caseload working arrangements that have worked or are working well for midwives on the list so that those who like the theory of caseload but are apprehensive about the practice in their lives, can see the reality of the situation. We can also learn from practices that burn midwives out and/or are unsatisfactory to women. Obviously there are probably as many variations of practice arrangements as there are midwives however, for those just branching out some well worn paths could be helpful. I think if midwives realised that (hopefully) caseload could include everything from one birth per month to five or six births a month depending on the individual midwife / group of midwives. marilyn -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Looking for a free email account? Get one now at http://www.freemail.com.au/
