[ozmidwifery] Midwives eat their young, don't they?
For the lister who asked for this in the past week, I have found my paper copy. It is in Birth Issues Volume 4 Number 3 1995. Carolyn Hastie. Midwives eat their young, don't they? A story of horizontal violence in midwifery. If you would like me to fax it to you email me off list. Regards Honey
Re: [ozmidwifery] Finding a birth pool
websites for buying and some hire are (there was even one on ebay a month or so back) http://www.simplybirth.com.au/ I have this one, a labouring woman used it a few weeks ago and really liked it then donated it to me. http://www.spa-hire.com.au/ http://www.pregnancy.com.au/ocean_reef_birth_pool.htm. - Original Message - From: Katy O'Neill To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Finding a birth pool Dear all, I know we have covered this, however I have been back over the past year and can't find any references. A women approached me about where to find a suitable birthing pool. She has been told it should be a mtr deep and she has only found the kids ones of 750cm. It will also need to fit in her kitchen. We are in rural NSW. Does anyone have any info I can give to her. Katy.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of sports drinks in labour
I believe in the value of drinks with electrolytes, not just water. Commonly used things are herb tea and honey, their own labour aide, juice, or sports drinks - one that I have used myself and seen recommended by others is Endura which has electrolytes and magnesium, lemon lime flavour is preferred and obtainable in a powder form in a tub for approx $30 at the health food shop or chemist. I haven't seen any evidence on it but to me it makes sense, we don't perform other physical activities for long periods and expect our bodies to keep functioning well on just water and without sustenance, muscles continue to need energy and electrolytes to contract. If there are not studies done on it can you compare with studies on athletes? - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Use of sports drinks in labour Is anyone recommending women use sports drinks such as Poweraid etc when in labour? I have read some good evidence to suggest it is better than water in long labours but don't have the source at my fingertipsinterested in your thoughts/findings. I figure anything that can help keep a woman from tiring and being labelled by doctors as a fail to progress has got to be worth a try as long as it is evidence based. Helen
Re: [ozmidwifery] testing
Hi Mary Your email came through, there have been a few emails on the list over the past few days. I've emailed this to your email privately as well as to the list to see if it comes through for you. Honey - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] testing Haven't had an email for a while.. am I on? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Donation of birthing kits
I received something like that last year for Christmas a hygiene kit was another I can't remember who it was through though I just did a google and found this as an example http://www.oxfamunwrapped.com.au/ the maternal health care gift http://www.oxfamunwrapped.com.au/Product.php?productid=46PHPSESSID=c5dd5ac431a100df0bbb6877c7e402ba
Re: [ozmidwifery] Cord clamping and waterbirth
Thankyou all who replied and sent me info offlist. I have forwarded the info on to my friend. What I love about this list is that you can ask a question but then we can all learn something and it creates really interesting discussion. Warm Regards Honey - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Cord clamping and waterbirth Lieve said: Cordclamping is an intervention and has first to prove that it is better than not clamping instead of the other way of thinking. I agree 100% with you Lieve. It's interesting isn't it, how interfering is the 'norm' with anything to do with birth - at least in western societies. I know that PPH is a real and frightening issue in many third world countries, but what PPH is most associated with is poverty and poor nutrition and non existent family planning options. These women are exhausted. As a society/global community it is important to find ways to address these issues for all women everywhere so they are well fed, relaxed and valued, having babies that are wanted so they can birth well and be healthy women and mothers for themselves and their families. For women in western countries, many have no idea that they even have a placenta to give birth to, and so think that birth is over when the baby is born, thus effectively switching off the hormonal flow for birth. That switching off the process, coupled with our usual ritualised meddling in that precious time of face to face, skin to skin, heart to heart intimacy of mother/baby, interferes with endogenous oxytocin release and baby perfusion whilst distracting the falling in love process. g It is perhaps safer to do the active management of third stage thing in situations when women are kept ignorant about the process because it requires knowledge and conscious awareness at best and a woman to be focused on her baby, rather than the kind of thinking that turns the process off. It's interesting that when women understand the physiology of the third phase of the labouring process, they remain very conscious and birth their placentas very well, usually with minimal blood loss. The midwives at the Birthing Service have all moved from the fragmented medicalised efficient factory model of 'delivery' to a one to one, relationship based model of midwifery practice and over the past year since we started, have all 'fallen in love' (poetic licence!) with undisturbed 'normal' physiology and are very respectful of women's processes. The midwives take great care in ensuring women understand and are fully informed of their natural physiology long before the women are in labour. Many women are choosing to stay in our beautiful big baths to give birth, so birth through water is a common event in our service. The PPH rate is very low and the midwives are fascinated by the threads in women's lives which weave their experiences. warmly, Carolyn -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Cord clamping and waterbirth
Can anyone help with Info for a friend of mine overseas The paediatrician who has never attended a waterbirth before is saying that she would have to clamp right away because if the woman is holding the baby on her chest, the blood can flow back through the cord to the placenta increasing her risk of PPH. Midwife has also never attended a waterbirth before. Now I know that all the waterbirths I have seen in real life and on video the cord was not clamped, does anyone have some resources I can pass on? Thankyou greatly Honey Student Midwife Doula - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Cord clamping Timing of cord clamping revisited - Journal of Perinatal Medicine , vol 34, no 4, 2006, pp 293-297 Levy T; Blickstein I - (2006) Although cord cutting has been performed since the beginning of mankind, the timing and advantages of early versus delayed cord clamping are still controversial. Early cord clamping (within the first 30 s after birth) is usually justified for potential prevention of postpartum hemorrhage and for immediate treatment of the newborn, but at the same time, may increase Rh-sensitization. Delayed cord clamping is performed after a period of 30 s during which 'placental transfusion' of approximately 80 mL of blood occurs. This amount seems to protect the baby from childhood anemia without increasing hypervolemia-related risks. In preterm infants, delayed clamping appears to reduce the risk of intraventricular hemorrhage and the need for neonatal transfusion. Obtaining cord blood for future autologous transplantation of stem cells needs early clamping and seems to conflict with the infant's best interest. Although a tailored approach is required in the case of cord clamping, the balance of available data suggests that delayed cord clamping should be the method of choice. (32 references) (Author) (my emphasis MM)
[ozmidwifery] Wanted: a midwife for a holiday in the North
From a woman who is very motivated to find a midwife who is comfortable with home water birth who would be willing to travel to Tropical North Queensland Townsville. Think of -Magnetic Island, sunny days, and the great barrier reef :) The twin cities has a growing population of 160,000 people. We would love to have you. to see a bit of Townsville check out http://www.townsvilleonline.com.au/or http://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/about/strand/ CALLING ALL HOMEBIRTH MIDWIFES !! We are desperately seeking the expertise of a homebirth midwife to helpwith the birthour first baby due on the 17th Jan.We currently live in Townsville North Queensland, so if you will be in the area (or would like to come for a holiday) around January we would love your help as currently there are no local homebirth midwifes. We can be contacted via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or mob:0408 959 876. Looking forward to hearing from you Kim,Wes and bump
Re: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance?
Kristin you probably already know these things but this is my understanding There are no companies who will insure doulas in Australia as far as I am aware, I looked into this 2 years ago. You could contact contracting advantage to see if they are open to the idea, a bit harder as we have no governing body or official registration. There are some Doulas who are insuredin the US. As Jo said, as a doula Idon't give advice, only options,and information(as evidence research basedas possible) there should be no need for insurance. The parents make all decisions and I don't speak on their behalf to their caregivers. I ensure the parents take responsibility for all decisions (if not them, their caregivers, if the parents have decided to leave it in their hands). If it is something the couple are worried about I would look at discussing it further and finding out what their concerns are. Honey - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance? I would be cautious of a couple asking about insurance. Aren't they prepared to be responsible for their decisions, do they not understand a doulas role? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of joSent: Sunday, 22 October 2006 10:50 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance? Hi Kristin, Ive been working as a doula for 5 years now. Doulas are not medically trained and do not give advise but rather present a list of options so that the birthing woman can make a truly informed decision herself, therefore insurance is not necessary. The doulas role is to physically and emotionally support the birthing woman and her family. In terms of advocating, it is always ideal for the woman to advocate for herself. So if things are suggested that are against her wishes, posing the question back to the woman or reminding her of what is written on her birth plan I cant see that any of this would require insurance. Warn regards Jo Hunter From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin BeckedahlSent: Sunday, 22 October 2006 10:29 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance? I have been asked this by a couple who would like me to be their doula at their birth. I said that I consider myself as 'birth support' and could be a friend, relative or even a midwife off duty I suppose...? Does anyone know anymore about insurance and doulas? As a Naturopath, I have Medical Malpractise Public/Products liability - which also covers me for my CBE work. Kristin Sell ANYTHING for $10 or less at tradingpost.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] risks for birth...
Maybe we should start hiring Vets rather than Obstetricians as seems to be the norm in our culture right now ;) LOL at the thougth of telling them that you will be hiring your vet as your caregiver when booking in at the hospital. - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] risks for birth... My kids are watching the ABC pet show tonight…Question – “so, what’s the greatest risk when your pet is giving birth?” Straight from the spunky vet’s mouth…”THE THING THAT PUTS YOUR PET AT THE GREATEST RISK IS THAT PEOPLE TRY AND INTERFERE TOO MUCH” Sigh…and we can’t see that fantastic wood for those dastardly trees… Tania x --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] risks for birth...
Wasa joke Iagree midwives should be the norm (i figue we all know that on this list) :) - Original Message - From: Mike Lindsay Kennedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] risks for birth... Mayby the norm should be Midwives not obstetricians as it is in many countries.rgds mike On 10/19/06, Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should start hiring Vets rather than Obstetricians as seems to be the norm in our culture right now ;) LOL at the thougth of telling them that you will be hiring your vet as your caregiver when booking in at the hospital. - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] risks for birth... My kids are watching the ABC pet show tonight…Question – "so, what's the greatest risk when your pet is giving birth?" Straight from the spunky vet's mouth…"THE THING THAT PUTS YOUR PET AT THE GREATEST RISK IS THAT PEOPLE TRY AND INTERFERE TOO MUCH" Sigh…and we can't see that fantastic wood for those dastardly trees… Tania x --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006-- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nzMy Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_PhotographersNew Photo site@Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.comLindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com "Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets." Unknown
[ozmidwifery] UniSA Students no longer able to attend births with Independant Midwives
Just got this email :( Any suggestions on what we can do about it? Dear BMid StudentsPlease be advised that due to insurance and professional indemity issues you are unable to follow through a woman if she is having her care provided by an independent practicing midwife.This would include the continuum of pregnancy care, labour and birth and during the postpartum period.Models of care such as midwifery group practice and the Northern Women's Community Midwifery Service will continue to be a valuable and encouraged pattern of midwfery care for follow through experiences and are not included in this advice.RegardsJanProfessor Jan PincombeProgram Director; MidwiferySchool of Nursing and MidwiferyUniversity of South AustraliaAdelaide SA AustraliaPhone o8 8302 2027
Re: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour
They give injected ventolin before performing someECV's to relax a uterus do they not? But perhaps intramuscular or intravenous is different to inhaled??? - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour Yes, it has been used in a different delivery method, but definitely has been and probably still is, for calming contractions. I am sure some one who is familiar with it will reply. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 6:29 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour Hi all, can bronchodilators, particularly ventolin, for severe asthmacause labour to slow or stall? Would it's action of relaxing smooth muscle have this effect on the uterus or is an inhaled drug (even in strong doses) too little entering the bloodstream for an effect? TIA. J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Launceston query
Wow!! Just read through the website www.birthcentre.org.au sounds like a great option for women and families and very reasonably priced too. I didn't know there were any freestanding birth centres still in operation. - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Launceston query Hi, Last week there was a query regarding midwives etc around Launceston. This is the web site of the midwives there who do homebirth as well as run a free standing birth centre. www.birthcentre.org.au Cheers Michelle On Yahoo!7Men's Health: What music do you want to hear on Men's Health Radio?
[ozmidwifery] Oblique presentation?
Any suggestions for a woman who is 39 weeks pregnant just had doctors appointment where she was told baby is now not OP but oblique (head on right side) and he suggested that they admit her to hospital right away (worried about cord prolapse) and wait and look at inducing her. She declined that offer and said she would go away and give it some more time.
[ozmidwifery] Welcome
Welcome to the list :) Plenty of interesting discussions happen. You should get many emails coming through each day. Is that what you mean? Honey Student Midwife Doula Townsville - Original Message - From: david tonkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:16 PM I have just been welcomed to the list what now -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial Isthere away to get ob's and midwivesthe training they need to support breech births? I would be happy to put in energy to push for this to happen. As much as I would love to see women birthing breech vaginally inthe localhospital, I am under the impression they do not have the skills. Ob's are likely to be very hands on aren't they? Breech in an upright position hands off as Maggie Banks decribes-definately. But a highly managed breech??? I have come across a few women with breech babies near term or undiagnosed in labourbut have not had the confidence in the hospital to suggest to the women birthing there thatthey push for a vaginal birth. Also the Ob's when questioned have been using that as the excuse-lack of skill- for not supportive vaginal breech when asked about it by the women I have been with. I know we can educate women about the best way to birth their baby but in most cases they want supportive (and skilled)caregivers on board too. Thanks Honey Student Midwife Doula - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial Hi ChrisI am a rural consumer, with knowledge of practices pretty much across the country.The term breech trial has done us in. I agree the paper turning it on its head (no pun intended!) is basically being ignored. The only vaginal breech I hear of or see in the stats, (other than those at JHH with Andrew Bisits) in the system are the undiagnosed ones and if a woman is very lucky the 2nd twin who is dragged out by forceps after she has consented to an epidural (often the only way she will be allowed to have twins vaginally).So what to do?Midwives: Raise this in clinical forums and instead of presenting the evidence for vaginal breech ask Drs what their evidence is for routine c/s. If you come across women with a breech on board provide them with all the info Consumers: Put it out there that breech does not necessarily equal c/s and continue to mount the arguments of the furphy of risk (for much of obstetrics). Support women we meet to demand choice.JCJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial Here in Townsville Qld some of the Ob's in the Townsville Hospital perform ECV's. David Watson is particulary successful at this and I have seen him perform a few and he seems to have the right touch and technique, the women who had other Ob's try on them firstand then himsaid he was much more gentle and it looked that way too. He has the woman lie on her side slightly and rests his knee behind their back, and using ultrasound on and off to monitor baby's position, then pushes the baby around getting them to either do a forward somersault or backward one. The private Ob's here refuse to do it all together. I noticed they are also performing the EECV trial (EarlyECV) around 33-34 weeks? One of the women I was with was being offerred this optionbut declined preferring to give her baby further time to turn and then at 37-38 weeks when baby was still in the breech position had a successful ECV and went on to have a straightforward normal vaginal birth at 41 weeks. Honey - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option I think it would be good to get a list of providers in each state who are performing External Cephalic Version ECV. I know, having just been to Box Hill Maternity for an inservice, they have one or two progressive obstetricians who have a regularECV clinic. They have theatre on standby if needed. I am sure plenty of women would be prepared to travel far and wide if they knew this option existed and could possibly avoid the need for LUSCS. I know this is not optimal, but at least some women may avoid LUSCS if ECV is offered. I think it is performed at 37 weeks to be the most successful. I would also be interested in other units offering this service to tell the women in my care if anyone knows of them. Thanks Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial Hi ChrisI am a rural consumer, with knowledge of practices pretty much across the country.The term breech trial has done us in. I agree the paper turning it on its head (no pun intended!) is basically being ignored. The only vaginal breech I hear of or see in the stats, (other than those at JHH with Andrew Bisits) in the system are the undiagnosed ones and if a woman is very lucky the 2nd twin who is dragged out by forceps after she has consented to an epidural (often the only way she will be allowed to have twins vaginally).So what to do?Midwives: Raise this in clinical forums and instead of presenting the evidence for vaginal breech ask Drs what their evidence is for routine c/s. If you come across women with a breech on board provide them with all the info Consumers: Put it out there that breech does not necessarily equal c/s and continue to mount the arguments of the furphy of risk (for much of obstetrics). Support women we meet to demand choice.JCJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au__ NOD32 1.1797 (20061010) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] Get up: Three minutes for a better Australia
Getup is giving an opportunity to tell them what we want to focus on, lets let them know about maternity issues eg the medicare provider issue. Dear friends,Our GetUp community now has more members than every political party in Australia, combined. That's over 125,000 people working together for nation-changing outcomes. Just in the last few months, we've helped put access to the abortion drug RU486 back under the care of independent health experts, successfully campaigned for 'the best ABC budget result in 20 years' and sky-written 'Vote No!' above Parliament House as we delivered a 100,000-strong petition to defeat the Prime Minister's refugee legislation.So, where do you want to take it from here? Tell us in three minutes flat.Now is your chance to help shape GetUp's next steps, and our nation's future as we move forwards to the 2007 federal election. We want to focus our efforts, and our elected representatives, on the issues that matter most to GetUp members. Vote below to help us plan our next steps. www.getup.org.au/YourVoiceCountsThis survey is designed to gauge what issues you really care about, explore new ways you can take action and allow you to share a bit more about the real people who make up this remarkable GetUp community. And it only takes three minutes. As always, GetUp is committed to protecting your privacy, and your personal information will never be disclosed to a third party. But your answers will be essential in helping to decide what we get involved in next, so we're counting on you to give us the honest truth. Tell us what your Australia looks like.www.getup.org.au/YourVoiceCountsThank you for taking action now to help set a positive new course for Australia,The GetUp team PS: If you'd like to know more about what we're up to, check out our latest campaigns to protect Northern Territory land rights, repatriate David Hicks, defend women's rights against deceptive pregnancy counselling and call the Government to account on the absurdity of their proposed media mogul laws. A picture of our "VOTE NO" message above Parliament can be seen here too! PPS: Get in fast and you could win a free copy of The Monthly magazine.-If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au.GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues.To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click here.
[ozmidwifery] breastfeeding and pregnancy
A friend who is 34 weeks pregnant with her second has been breastfeeding her 2 year old throughout this pregancy and would like to continue. Her toddler is now more interested in the breast as obviously there is more than there has been for a couple of months. This morning during a feed she had strong braxton hicks type contraction within a minute of feeding and up to an hour with 6 big contractions which took her breath away, she couldn't talk through them,and felt like early labour. She wants to know whether she can safely keep breastfeeding or whether she is putting herself at too much risk of going into labour too early. She didn't want to call her hospital midwives yet as she is worried they will just advise her to stop feeding. Thanks in advance Honey 1st year BMid student midwife
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding and pregnancy
This is what I have found so far http://kellymom.com/nursingtwo/faq/01safety.html - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding and pregnancy A friend who is 34 weeks pregnant with her second has been breastfeeding her 2 year old throughout this pregancy and would like to continue. Her toddler is now more interested in the breast as obviously there is more than there has been for a couple of months. This morning during a feed she had strong braxton hicks type contraction within a minute of feeding and up to an hour with 6 big contractions which took her breath away, she couldn't talk through them,and felt like early labour. She wants to know whether she can safely keep breastfeeding or whether she is putting herself at too much risk of going into labour too early. She didn't want to call her hospital midwives yet as she is worried they will just advise her to stop feeding. Thanks in advance Honey 1st year BMid student midwife
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding and pregnancy
Hi Barb
Thanks, I will look at getting the booklet
ASAP,and I am a member of the ABA.
No her first was born on due date, and she has no
risk factors at all.
She was told by an OB and midwife at one of her
last hospital visits when they foundout she was
"still"feedingthat she should stop feeding (no reasonable evidence
basedreason given).
Her instinct is to keep feeding and I think the
info from Kellymom.com was reassuring for her to trust that.
Thanks
Honey
- Original Message -
From:
Barbara
Glare Chris Bright
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:20
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding
and pregnancy
Hi,
It would be worthwhile getting your hands on the
Australian Breastfeeding Association's "Breastfeeding through pregnancy and
Beyond" It's only $5 and available through www.mothersdirect.com.au
Many women breastfeed most successfully through
pregnancy and beyond. The oxytocin release associated with breastfeeding
can trigger the uterus to contract, but unless her body is ready breastfeeding
won't "make" her go into premature labour. Was her first child born
prematurely, do you know? Or does she have any other risk factors for
premature labour?
Regards,
Barb
- Original Message -----
From:
Honey
Acharya
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:30
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding
and pregnancy
A friend who is 34 weeks pregnant with her
second has been breastfeeding her 2 year old throughout this pregancy and
would like to continue.
Her toddler is now more interested in the
breast as obviously there is more than there has been for a couple of
months.
This morning during a feed she had strong
braxton hicks type contraction within a minute of feeding and up to an hour
with 6 big contractions which took her breath away, she couldn't talk
through them,and felt like early labour.
She wants to know whether she can safely keep
breastfeeding or whether she is putting
herself at too much risk of going into labour too early.
She didn't want to call her hospital midwives
yet as she is worried they will just advise her to stop
feeding.
Thanks in advance
Honey
1st year BMid student
midwife
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Hi Nat I am a mid student also and a doula It sounds like some (or some more) debriefing would be a good idea? Looking at what your fears are. What are the possibilities of those things? where are they more likely to occur? Have you got anyone experienced with this type of work who can support you to work through this? Depending on where you are there may be some suggestions for you. What caused the "horrific labour" and complications, was it a home birth or a hospital birth? Very quickly as it is late. e.g of my train of thought atm.You are more likely to have a c-section by being in a birth centre or hospital. With c-sections you are more likely to end up with a hysterectomy etc. Depending on your homebirth midwifeand other factors such as how far is the nearest hospital, transfer rates are still MUCH lower in homebirth (something like 3%-15%) . Your chances of having a beautiful uninterfered with birth are much better at home. Things occasionally go pear shaped in birth wherever you are, home or hospital. Would you really be safer in hospital? But it really comes down to how YOU FEEL Warm regards Honey - Original Message - From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001 To: OZmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi, I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminatedin the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts. I washonoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybeI should go that way, as there is back-up. I would like some professional opinions please. Cheers Nat
Re: [ozmidwifery] C/section lotus
Well done Sue Sounds like you were a great advocate. - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] C/section lotus Hi all, Just want to put it out there that it a lotus birth after c/section was successfully negotitated and managed here on the north coast NSW again. The handover from surgeon to midwife was made and the midwife then simply waited whilst the placenta was delivered (ie peeled off the uterine wall - usually about 2 minutes later), and then taken to the paed who had okayed the lotus birth prior to surgery. So all the team had been asked prior to the surgery and provided the baby was not in need of resuscitation and the mother not bleeding excessively, the lotus was to be handled. This is despite the many negative answers we were given prior to the c/section by various other obstetric team members. We just waited our time until the right people came along and the request was made by myself privately to the registrar acknowledging both the desire for the lotus birth by the mother (who had planned a homebirth) and the uncertainty by the registrar - of hygiene, of process, of the why?? of lotus. Hope this may help others to remain advocates for the women they serve, it seems we can move mountains and retain integrity for the birthing women; just takes the right question at the right time to the right people. I again thank the most fantastic female registrar I have ever met/ could ever think of meeting for her respect and understanding of women's needs. Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Traditional birth practices
Here's one website with some reports And the women said... from Kildea http://www.maningrida.com/mac/bwc/introduction.html#aims I found it really interesting. I was also reading a report on Borning.. today although a bit old explained some of the things that were really important to the Aboriginal women interviewed at the time. - Original Message - From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Traditional birth practices Hi, I like the Maningrida site too, anything by Sue Kildea is good. Helen Callaghan (was in Newcastle) addressed some indiginous issues in a paper she wrote for PhD or doctorate or something along those lines. There is a conference in Sydney soon too, focussing on indiginous issues and birth. Its on the board at work, will chase up details tomorrow if I remember. Di - Original Message - From: Mike Lindsay Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Traditional birth practices Anyone have any articles re traditional birth in the Aboriginal culture for an assignment i'm working on? rgds mike -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers New Photo site@ Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.com Lindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] PPH C/S
"Its all about what she wants and is prepared to do to get it." very true I say this a lot lately! - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] PPH C/S the things is that if her babies are that big imagine how big her placentas are, probably the size of a dinner plate instead of a bread and butter plate. It makes sense that a large placental site will bleed more than a little one but its whether the woman is symptomatic or not that matters. If she does not cope with the amount of blood she lost then it is an issue and she needs to look at alternatives rather than go inyo it and just let the same thing happen again like the proverbial ostrich. If it is just that the doctor is uncomfortable with the blood loss but she is physiologically fine then find another care giver and save him the grey hair. Its all about what she wants and is prepared to do to get it. Andrea Quanchi On 03/04/2006, at 10:14 AM, Robyn Dempsey wrote: I feel that if this woman has had such large babies, what a wonderful pelvis she must have! Good on her! Rather than promoting a c-section, perhaps look at her diet...does she just grow big bubs, or does she over indulge in the sugary foods? If PPH is the worry, perhaps a discussion around a managed 3rd stage, or syntocinon if there are any signs of excessive bleeding. I've had many women with large babies, doesn't mean they will have a PPH, simply that they grow bigger bubs, and have a pelvis to fit them thru. Cheers Robyn D - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: 01 April, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] PPH C/S Hello all, A woman on my forums has had two normal births of big babies – 11lb3oz and 13lb5oz and had a PPH with both. Her Ob is now recommending a c/s with her third bub and wants a scan at 34 weeks as a deciding factor of this. She wants a normal birth – is it okay just for her to say no without too much risk with PPH? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
Title: Message Kelly I think the doula listing on your site is a great idea, you are correct that it is a way for the people accessing your site to be able to find doula's in their area and itcan behard to find doula listings, it is a great way for doulas to get more out there. I think the doula register is not very popular because it is not marketed, they charge a fee, doula students can't list on there,and they are not 100% recognised as the official doula registration authority (as far as I am aware it is run by optimum birth -just one of the many doula training org's)and there is not one true registrationbody for all doulas in Australia. Perhaps on the australian doula email list we can put our heads together and make alist of all the websites we should have our details, places like bub hub, birth.com.au, joyousbirth.info, essential baby etc and now bellybelly Regards Honey
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
there is also a register at www.findadoula.com - Original Message - From: pinky mckay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Kelly - how will you be protected re doulas standards/ training? Or will you use a disclaimer? There is an Australian Doulas register at www.doulasaustralia.com Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Hey everyone, On chatting to some fellow Maternity Coalition members and due to getting so many emails asking where to find doulas, I have decided to finally get up and running the Birth Attendant / Doula Directory I have been meaning to do for the last 12 months! Please feel free to check it out - have your details added or forward this onto others who might like to be added too. Hopefully well have a huge Australian resource where women can find someone to support them anywhere in Australia as well as helping those attendants / doulas out there wanting to do more births find them from the exposure on my site which is currently getting around 3,000 unique visitors a day and a bazillion hits not that hits count for much anyway. Pass it on!!! http://bellybelly.com.au/birth-attendant-locator Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] ACOG does not support induction for macrosomia
FYI - Original Message - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/100/5/997_ (http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/100/5/997) Ladies, rejoice!! I heard about this on the MT Conference this weekend but here it is: ACOG does not support induction for macrosomia. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Getting off this list
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Re: [ozmidwifery] public-private birth centres
Royal Women's in Randwick Birth Centre (Sydney) is public and private (or it was when I birthed there) perhaps contact them, I think if you went private you had to have a private OB? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] public-private birth centres Hi everyone, we have been approached by a doc here in the south west of WA about establishing a public/private birth centre, I am not aware of one in Australia but I could be wrong, if so could someone let me know how it works and any suggestions or thoughts on how it should work would be greatly appreciated. Yours in midwifery, Pete Malavisi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] public-private birth centres
No, unfortunately the independant midwife had to come in as your support person and not as official midwife. - Original Message - From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] public-private birth centres 'I think if you went private you had to have a private OB?' Or independent midwife. jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2006 9:30 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] public-private birth centres Royal Women's in Randwick Birth Centre (Sydney) is public and private (or it was when I birthed there) perhaps contact them, I think if you went private you had to have a private OB? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] public-private birth centres Hi everyone, we have been approached by a doc here in the south west of WA about establishing a public/private birth centre, I am not aware of one in Australia but I could be wrong, if so could someone let me know how it works and any suggestions or thoughts on how it should work would be greatly appreciated. Yours in midwifery, Pete Malavisi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
There was a good article in Natural Parenting Magazine about "Pelvic Floor Consciousness",not just how to do the exercises but how to tell if they are switched on etc, I have the article at home but amin Sydney this week for the birth international workshops, send me an email if you want more details about it. Regards Honey - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Hi Linda, Yes, I am researching it extensively. It helps that I am very interested in this topic due to the fact that my nana needed surgery to correctuterine prolapse (I think that's what she had anyway, it wasn't something discussed over Christmas lunch!), and that I have had four good size bubs. I guess I am curious to see if I should be concerned :) Anyway, the story is for body and soul in the Sunday Telegraph, sometime later in the year. All of the stories are online, so I will let you know when it goes in. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Bowman Family" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:01:52 +1000 Kylie, it would be great if you can share your article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your work. Cheers Linda - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I think his name was? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns! It would be perfect to use that. I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called Water Works by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fear
Ina May Gaskin talks about it in Ina May's Guide to Childbirth! I'd have to look through the book to tell you exactlyl what she says. - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fear On 05/02/2006, at 12:36 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: "What is your biggest fear right now?" She didn't answer for a couple of contractions then suddenly burst out " My biggest fear is that I won't be able to birth the baby" What do you know - lip went and baby started to appear!This fascinates me too. Is is just a matter of verbalising that fear??? I know it sounds dumb, but most women when questioned say that they fear the pain.no denying that it is going to hurt, so is it a matter of just verbalising it??On a similar matter the last couple of weks, I have had 2 women simply stump me. One with an epidural, one without. Both reached 9 then 10 cms dilation, and decided they did not want to push. They were adament they did not want to push, that they wanted "the baby pulled out"!!! Despite reasurrance that they could do it, and that unless they were unwell or the baby distressed, they baby would NOT be pulled out and they certainly would not be taken for a LSCS, they continued to say "No I dont want to push", "I'm not going to push" "it is going to hurt too much!"They eventually had the baby when the next shift took over, but I was wondering if anyone else had encountered this before??
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support
Title: Message As a doula what do I offer my clients in terms of support pre and post c-section? Well Iwrote this before all the discussion happened today. With all my clients we discuss the possibility of a c-section birthand as part of their "birth plan" have a c-section plan. I do this now because so many women seem toignore the possibility of c-section and say "that won't happen to me" even though they are birthing in places with rates of 1 in 3, or 1 in 2. Once we have done that (unless they are planning a c-section of course) we then put that aside and focus on the birth she wants. I also teach them simple tools that they can use to help them feel in control even when things don't go as planned so if they choose tothey can remain the ones making the final decision about what happens to them and their baby. Postbirth I am available to debrief whenever they wantto and refer them in needto good independentpreg and postnatal counselling. Often the debriefing happens casually over time in those first weeks but we also make a special time to sit down and have a thorough debrief when the parents are ready. I am a co-facilitator for a course/support group called Healing Birth for women who have had traumatic birth experiences (many but not all are women who have had c-sections) and already wesee trends with the things done and said by the same careproviders over and over again. Sometimes I think If only the ob's and midwives involved in these women's experiences could hear and see these women tell what happened from their point of view perhaps something might get through and change their practice -many of the women write letters to help them heal but very few are actually posted. I think it is true that almost all women need to debrief their birth no matter how it wentand I have seen the positive changes in women after they have had the chance to debrief in a supportive place over a number of weeks. Some even look physically different after the debriefing. Not to mention the more positive empowered experiences they go on to have with any future babies. The other thing with debriefing is have you noticed that those who don't debrief their births are still telling people the horror stories (up to 60 years later in the case of a family member of mine.) Often pregnant women are bailed up in checkout queues or odd places bya strangertelling them titbits oftheir birth story that perhaps would really have benefited from a reflective debrief. Honey Acharya CD (CBI) Studying BMid through UniSa Birth Buddies - Doula Townsville - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support Jo, you're speaking from my heart as well. I was at a meeting last year of women working to support others in birth trauma. All of us had been suicidal at one point, myself included, none of us had had any support from careproviders. I'm always happy to share my journey but it rarely scores a comment on ozmid. What this means I cannot judge but it makes me fear for other women in my position if we can't talk about it with careproviders. It's not about blame, it's about responsibility for our actions as consumers and a hope that our careproviders will also take responsibility for their actions. We really need everyone to be be truly "with woman" on this one, not with protocol and not with status quo. J - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support I think it is ESSENTIAL for midwives and consumer groups to be working together on this one. Amazingly enough, many complaints we hear about are from women who feel their midwife let them down. Interesting issue (as I am a doula also, perception and expectation of support is of great interest). Most would agree with the fragmented care currently offered there is a huge reliance on trusting someone who has just walked in the door. anyone caring for a woman tries to do their best; but their best may not correspond with the woman's needs, even the 'nicest' midwife can upset someone unintentionally. where does the accountability lie? bit tricky there...probably too hard to define: but it doesn't remove the fact that some woman is feeling like shit. I think it is important for midwives and doctors (if they would ever listen) to listen to the trauma experienced by women. From experience I can say that MY perception of a particular birth was it was positive: but to the woman is was shit. Care providers need to base their post birth care on not what defines positive to them, but
Re: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified!
She can certainly go to any public hospital, if she gets a chance it would be better to go in and at least get one appointment so that they have a file for her, but if she goes into labour before that's possible they can't turn her away! I spoke to a woman yesterday who had just her first private OB appointment and he told her he would have to put her in the naughtly corner!!! For asking questions. Thankfully she's not putting up with that sort of treatment and is finding out about her other options and probably going public with a midwives team. I hope she gets all the support she needs. Honey - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Oh my goodness Can you refer this woman to a midwife, doula, midwifery student, birthing centre, anyone out there who might be able to support her? She certainly has every right to rock up to a public hospital in labour, but if shes going to do that unannounced, she might feel more comfortable doing it with some support nearby Hope she finds the strength to make changes this late on in the piece, which might ensure she gets the support, and the birth she deserves Tania From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Sunday, 20 November 2005 3:15 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! One of the girls in my forums here in Melbourne just posted this no wonder she seemed upset when I saw her yesterday I had no idea at the time: I have just had the worst night of my life, and its taken me 3 hours to stop crying uncontrollably. My Dr, who I've been seeing throughout my pg is on leave (bereavement), and since I'm at 41 weeks, the midwives I'm seeing sent me to see the OB who's filling in for him. So I go for my appt. First, he does a stretch sweep without asking me or any prior warning. Then he says he's booking me in to be induced tomorrow, which when I questioned it he tells me I'm going to kill my baby cos I'm past 41 weeks. The he goes on to say 'I'm not into any of that airy fairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] You'll deliver on the bed, on your back. I'm not a vet.' So I said I was planning an active birth, (which is what my Dr prefers) and he says I'll have to see someone else and good luck getting in to see anyone else at this stage of the game. So now I have no obstetrician, no doctor and I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm seriously thinkg about fronting up tomorrow at the Royal Womens to see if I can have my baby there instead of the hospital I'm booked in at - can they turn you away if its a public hospital? This is appalling beyond belief my blood is boiling it really is . Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI: News article for QLD maternity
Hoping for the same, where's the money for the Townsville Birth Centre? Honey - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI: News article for QLD maternity Hope they save some for up north here. Judy --- Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was on news.com, Megan Extra $52m for maternity services From: AAP October 31, 2005 QUEENSLAND has announced an extra $52 million for maternity services in the state's public hospitals. Premier Peter Beattie said the Government would provide an extra $8.63 million for maternity services in 2005/06 and the same amount for each of the next five years to meet increasing demand. On average about 100 babies are born in our public hospitals every day, which can also stretch maternity services in some areas, Mr Beattie said. The $52 million funding boost starts immediately and is targeted to enable health districts to provide more maternity services and better access to them. The funding included recurrent allocations of $2.2 million a year to the Redcliffe-Caboolture district, $1.63 million to the Gold Coast, $1.5 million to the Bayside district based around Redcliffe hospital, and $1.5 million to the Logan-Beaudesert area. The money would provide additional beds, staff, equipment and support services. Do you Yahoo!? Listen to over 20 online radio stations and watch the latest music videos on Yahoo! Music. http://au.launch.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
There have also been some threads (discussions) on this in the birth.com.au forums in the last 3 months, you can search and find them. - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender Andrea, I recall reading quite a good story on this topic - being disappointed with the sex of the baby - in Practical Parenting earlier this year. The editor wrote about it also in the editorial saying that what spawned the interest in taking on the subject was a lady who contacted her who was feeling awful because she found out she was having a girl when she wanted a boy. I had a search in my copies of the mag but couldn't find it. Perhaps you could contact the magazine and ask what issue it was in. It may help the woman you talk about to read about others with the same feelings and that it is not all that unusual to feel this way. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Andrea Bilcliff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: "Ozmidwifery" ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auCC: "Maternity Coalition Midwives" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' genderDate: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:08:55 +1000 Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fyi
I think it is for only babies in these situations that have been identified as clearly having been deprived of oxygen during birth. But it makes me wonder about all these babies that are taken away from mum's chest (particulary while she is being sewn up after a c-sect) because the baby will get too cold!! It might make for good argument to let babies stay skin to skin and let mum's body temp do the warming and cooling thing. I'm not a midwife yet so don't understand as well as the rest of you perhaps. But that's my humble opinion. Honey - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] fyi So, do we keep the baby warm or do we uncover it and let it cool? MM Cooling blankets may reduce newborn brain damage BY RONI RABIN STAFF WRITER October 12, 2005, 8:22 PM EDT Lowering a newborn's body temperature after birth reduces risk of brain damage and death for babies who are deprived of oxygen before or during delivery, a new study has found. Within hours of being born, newborns in the study were placed on cooling blankets that lowered their body temperature to about 92 degrees. The blankets, which had water circulating through them, were set at 41 degrees. After three days, the babies were gradually warmed to a normal body temperature, which usually ranges from 99.7 degrees to 99.3 degrees. The study of 208 infants at 15 medical centers was reported by researchers in the Neonatal Research Network of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, and appears today in the New England Journal of Medicine. This is a very exciting, landmark study, said lead author Dr. Seetha Shankaran, head of the division of neonatal-perinatal medicine at Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit. But the sponsors also urged caution, saying further research is necessary and warning that most hospitals should not attempt to the technique without training of personnel. The babies must be closely monitored and strict protocols must be followed because temperature fluctuations could be harmful, the study authors said. One in every 1,000 to 2,000 babies born suffers from hypoxic ischemic encephalopathy, which occurs when the brain doesn't get enough oxygen or blood in the hours before birth or during labor and delivery. These babies are at markedly increased risk of disability, including blindness and cerebral palsy, as well as death. Babies who received the cooling treatment fared better than babies provided with standard treatment. Of the 208 babies in the study, 102 infants were randomly assigned to undergo the experimental cooling while 106 received standard care. When the babies were examined at 18 to 22 months, 62 percent of the babies who received the standard treatment had died or developed a mild or severe disability, compared to 44 percent of those who had the cooling treatment. When all three outcomes -- death, moderate disability and severe disability -- were pooled, findings were statistically significant. Among those who were cooled, 24 died, compared with 38 deaths in the control group. Fifteen infants who had the experimental treatment developed cerebral palsy and five went blind, compared with 19 and nine, respectively, of thosee who had standard care. Infants who received the cooling treatment also scored better on mental and physical development measures, the authors said. The children will be followed until they are 6 or 7 years old. Several other studies investigating the benefits of cooling treatment are under way. Researchers at Schneider Children's Hospital in New Hyde Park have participated in a study that used a cooling cap to mitigate brain damage in newborns similarly afflicted by oxygen deprivation, and other studies are under way in Australia and England. They key thing is that the cooling, whether by blanket or by cap, helps some babies, said Dr. Andrew Steele, a neonatologist at Schneider Children's Hospital involved in the cooling cap study. Shankaran explained that when the brain is deprived of oxygen and blood, a cascade of abnormal events occurs, including formation of toxins and amino acids that damage brain cells. Cooling appears to work by reducing the energy of the brain itself, she said, thereby decreasing the abnormal toxins and actually reducing the swelling of brain cells. It is a very promising, evolving therapy, but there's a lot more work to be done, alot of questions still to be answered, said Dr. Ann Stark, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on the Fetus and Newborn Health. Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire
You probably already know this, but I was at a birth recently where we used a good blow up baby paddling pool and it worked fine. - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Here are the details of the woman looking for a pool, anyone? Hi Kelly, thankyou for your offer of more information. We live in a small town in South Gippsland called Glen Alvie. The nearest major towns are Leongatha (where the hospital we have chosen is), Korumburra and Wonthaggi, not too far away is Phillip Island. The closest bigger towns are Cranbourne and then Dandenong. I am hoping to be able to hire a pool from one of those places, obviously the closer to the hospital the better I guess. Our EDD is April 19th 2006 so we have lots of time to plan. If you need any more information please let me know and thanks again for your help. Vanessa Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 9:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire The Midwifery Natural Childbirth Centre at 336 Oxford St Leederville W.A. Ph 08 92423330. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. We have 5. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:14 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire Hello everyone, Im just wondering if everyone could please let me know who hires out birth pools around Australia - women often ask where they can hire them in my forums so I may as well put a list together and pop it in my waterbirth article I have too. There is someone asking about Victoria at the moment but I would love to put together a list for all states J Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists
Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigestion at breakfast....
I'm getting sick of going round and round in circles with this debate. How do you reply to these people that think too many births end in emergencies for it to be safe and just don't understand why we don't need/want ob's and hospitals within 2 mins reach? That think if it means saving even one life we should not have the choice? Does anyone have some links to the best studies showing the evidence of safety of birth away from hospitals? ie free standing birth centres and homebirth I know I can wade thorugh the internet and find ones like the cochrane review, but I know that many of you may have them easily to hand, so if you can spare a minute to forward them I would be grateful. I am not receiving the majority of ozmid emails at the moment (not sure why) so could you cc my email address in the reply so that I actually get them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Much appreciated thankyou Honey Acharya Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Indigestion at breakfast Hi everyone, This was not a good read over breakfast this morning. Miranda Devine is known for her right wing views, but this was almost too much to bear. Where do these dinosaurs live, and where do they get their stats from? Andrea PS She's thoughtfully included her email address. Mum and baby are caught in the middle September 22, 2005 Midwives and obstetricians differ over the risks of birth centres away from hospitals, says Miranda Devine. IT WAS rather ironic when the two pregnant women starring in a story on ABC-TV this week about a new style of doctor-free natural birthing centres were rushed to hospital for the ultimate in medical interventions. At the beginning of The 7.30 Report story on Monday, one woman was sitting in a chair in the midwife-led birthing unit in Ryde, grimacing in pain from contractions. By the end of the story she had a cute little baby, but only after a 20-minute ambulance ride to Royal North Shore Hospital and an emergency caesarean. The other woman, was also transferred to hospital for an induction when her baby refused to come. Advocates of the stand-alone, midwife-led model of birth units, segregated from hospitals, claimed this proved the model worked well. The midwife has been able to recognise when there were problems or when the labour looked as if it was going to deviate from the normal, Sally Tracy, associate professor of midwifery practice development at the University of Technology, Sydney, said. But obstetricians are understandably unhappy about being expected to pick up the pieces at the last minute of a childbirth gone wrong, with the inevitable legal ramifications. It's ear trumpets at 40 paces as midwife groups and obstetricians bicker over the risks involved in setting up birth centres a distance apart from major hospitals. But the NSW Government is pressing ahead with plans to open more midwife-led birthing units, with two already open: in Ryde and in Belmont, near Newcastle. Home-birth trials are also in place. The Australian Medical Association complained this month that the Health Minister, John Hatzistergos, hadn't even consulted them about this radical change. As a result, the minister is meeting the association's NSW president, John Gullotta, today to discuss the new model, among other matters. Such are the sensitivities that Gullotta would not comment until after the meeting. But the association's obstetrics spokesman, Dr Andrew Pesce, a consultant obstetrician at Westmead Hospital, was happy to speak, minutes after delivering a healthy baby boy yesterday afternoon. He was keen to point out it was a vaginal delivery to a mother who had previously had a caesarean, thus demonstrating his non-interventionist credentials. He has come under heavy attack from midwife groups since he began speaking out on the new units. He and his industrial organisation are accused of fear-mongering because of a prospect the Medicare pie might eventually have to be shared with midwifes. But there is more than enough work around for the shrinking ranks of obstetricians, and this Federal Government is unlikely ever to fund midwife-only birth centres. Far from being alarmist, what Pesce has to say is reasonable. We're not against midwife care or even midwife-led birthing centres . It's the segregated model of care we don't want . We don't want to be picking up disasters six hours later. Indeed. Why remove birthing centres from hospitals so that an ambulance ride is necessary in case of emergency, just to prove a point? A policy of universal, all-natural childbirth is wonderful if you can afford to lose a child or a mother along the way, as used to happen in Australia. A quick tour of a cemetery tells the story of our obstetric past when the death of mother or child, or both, in childbirth was far from
Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigestion at breakfast....
gloria typing whilebf but i actually do wwant the stats not to reply to this article but for those that want to see the studies fo themselves. - Original Message - From: Gloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigestion at breakfast Dear Honey, don't worry about the content of the publicitythere is no bad publicity. Engaging in slinging around stats won't further anything. It's a sign of the emerging power of the midwives that the drs are doing what they're doing. If you weren't a formidable threat, they'd just sit in their offices and not say anything. The public is not stupid. They watch more what you do and how you be than what you say. . The real power in moving mw forward is that so many women are so damaged. That can only be tolerated so long. You'll have many positive, supportive letters printed in the press. At the end of the day, society will move a little further in the cynicism about all things pharmaceutical co dominated. The reason: it simply doesnt work. Gloria - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigestion at breakfast I'm getting sick of going round and round in circles with this debate. How do you reply to these people that think too many births end in emergencies for it to be safe and just don't understand why we don't need/want ob's and hospitals within 2 mins reach? That think if it means saving even one life we should not have the choice? Does anyone have some links to the best studies showing the evidence of safety of birth away from hospitals? ie free standing birth centres and homebirth I know I can wade thorugh the internet and find ones like the cochrane review, but I know that many of you may have them easily to hand, so if you can spare a minute to forward them I would be grateful. I am not receiving the majority of ozmid emails at the moment (not sure why) so could you cc my email address in the reply so that I actually get them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Much appreciated thankyou Honey Acharya Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Indigestion at breakfast Hi everyone, This was not a good read over breakfast this morning. Miranda Devine is known for her right wing views, but this was almost too much to bear. Where do these dinosaurs live, and where do they get their stats from? Andrea PS She's thoughtfully included her email address. Mum and baby are caught in the middle September 22, 2005 Midwives and obstetricians differ over the risks of birth centres away from hospitals, says Miranda Devine. IT WAS rather ironic when the two pregnant women starring in a story on ABC-TV this week about a new style of doctor-free natural birthing centres were rushed to hospital for the ultimate in medical interventions. At the beginning of The 7.30 Report story on Monday, one woman was sitting in a chair in the midwife-led birthing unit in Ryde, grimacing in pain from contractions. By the end of the story she had a cute little baby, but only after a 20-minute ambulance ride to Royal North Shore Hospital and an emergency caesarean. The other woman, was also transferred to hospital for an induction when her baby refused to come. Advocates of the stand-alone, midwife-led model of birth units, segregated from hospitals, claimed this proved the model worked well. The midwife has been able to recognise when there were problems or when the labour looked as if it was going to deviate from the normal, Sally Tracy, associate professor of midwifery practice development at the University of Technology, Sydney, said. But obstetricians are understandably unhappy about being expected to pick up the pieces at the last minute of a childbirth gone wrong, with the inevitable legal ramifications. It's ear trumpets at 40 paces as midwife groups and obstetricians bicker over the risks involved in setting up birth centres a distance apart from major hospitals. But the NSW Government is pressing ahead with plans to open more midwife-led birthing units, with two already open: in Ryde and in Belmont, near Newcastle. Home-birth trials are also in place. The Australian Medical Association complained this month that the Health Minister, John Hatzistergos, hadn't even consulted them about this radical change. As a result, the minister is meeting the association's NSW president, John Gullotta, today to discuss the new model, among other matters
[ozmidwifery] Tears and repairs
I am curious about something (and I know it is fairly rare with homebirth) but for experienced midwives I assume you would stitch tears yourself even if they were3rd or 4th degree, but I don't want to make assumptions so is that the case? Or would you transfer to hospital to have a doc stitch it, or for the extra pain relief so you could stitch it yourself? At what point? Thanks Honey
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units
Here's the transcript if anyone missed it http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1463815.htm Cheers Honey - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units As I watched the 7.30 Report last night, that dreadful term midwifery led unit kept springing up. I have a real problem with this term, as you can read on My Diary: http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html Can't we do better than this? Thinking caps on please! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units
Well said Susan. Re the scarf apparently he wears them alot according to one women who birthed in his hosptial and made it very clear she didin't want him anywhere near her and she only had him for some fetal monitoring. The women on a natural chat forum I was on were discussing it and majority felt he was in their words "psycho" after seeing himinterviewed. The other thing someone said was that paradoxically he's very anti c-section. - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "Midwifery led units" Sally, it wasn't a disaster. You presented extremely well. We all know that they will edit hours of filming to show a few seconds of what they want to portray, however I felt the overriding exposure was positive - the one obstetrician saying that he had been converted was worth a lot! I feel that the way to get this happening is to push the fact that women do not have aCHOICE. Whether the government or obstetricians agree with the choice or not is irrelevant - choice is every Australian's right, not whether one mode of care is better or worse, we know there will never be agreement on that! Once women startgetting theirchoice the service will speak for itself. There will always be women who want the high tech stuff, fine, let them have it! I'm sure there will be no shortage of specialist obstetricians for them, but we are in very real danger of losing the choice of utilising midwives. Well done on your efforts. Sue PS Does Mourik wear that frightful scarf ALL the time??? I had a vivid image of him sweeping it around majestically while brandishing his 'life-saving' forceps :-) ! --
Re: [ozmidwifery] protocols for occipito posterior position
Do you know of the Rotational Positioning Technique developed by Nikki MacFarlane? It is fantastic and so simple to use. I think she presented it at last years midwifery conference in Adelaide. It is also available as a presentation through her www.childbirthinternational.com website. I'd also be looking into the effects having an epidural may have with a posterior baby in labour.Rotational Postioning can also be used with an epidural in place. Cheers Honey
[ozmidwifery] FW:Ina May and Cytotec
FYI Honey Sorry for the cross-post but thought that this was important enough to pass on to all of you involved in any way in the birthing field... -Jen Hello, I'd like to announce that I've finished a summary of all of the medical articles that I could find in English on the subject of cervical ripening and labor induction with misoprostol/Cytotec. The summary concludes with my notes on the recently published article . A 38-Year-Old Woman with Fetal Loss and Hysterectomy (JAMA. 2005;294:833-840). The article is extraordinary, in that it includes remarks made not only by the attending physician and the head of the obstetrics department but also those of the parents of the stillborn baby. The summary can be found on the home page of my website (www.inamay.com ) under the heading The Misoprostol/Cytotec Controversy. -- Ina May Gaskin, CPM The Farm Midwifery Center 41 The Farm Summertown, TN 38483 www.inamay.com www.rememberthemothers.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cbistudents/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] The Australian today- Birthing Sweet
-- Print this page Birthing sweet Adam Cresswell 10sep05 YOU would have thought a baby bonus would be a godsend for midwives, but an Australian baby bonus - the original one, back in 1912 - more or less killed off the profession at a stroke. In that year the Labor government of Andrew Fisher passed the Maternity Allowances Act, which entitled each new mother regardless of income to a payment of five pounds. Before that, most people came into the world thanks to a midwife. But the bonus, which was more than enough to cover a doctor's fee, vastly increased the numbers of people, especially poorer people, who could afford to engage doctors - who were then angling for a bigger slice of the birthing action. By 1923 the bonus was only payable if the birth had been handled by a doctor. Today's midwifery advocates look back at that point as ``the death knell for midwifery'', and the Act certainly made Australia a world leader in the race to sideline midwife-led birthing - which continued to have a significant, if shrinking, role in Britain for two or three more decades as hospital infection rates continued to pose a threat. But the end result was largely the same - the invention of antibiotics in the 1940s transformed infection control, and by the 1970s hospital birth was becoming de rigeur, even in Britain. In Australia, hospitals now have cornered the market in birthing: 97.2 per cent of the 250,758 births in 2002 took place in hospital wards. Only 2.1 per cent, or 5379 births, took place in midwife-run birthing centres attached to hospitals, and almost none - just 522, or 0.2 per cent of the total - took place at home. The recent controversies about midwives have focused on the safety of stand-alone midwife-led units - those not sited adjacent to fully equipped hospitals. But while midwives and some obstetricians continue to argue that issue, pressures are growing here and overseas for a greater use of midwife services. Some state Governments, led by NSW, are expanding midwife-led centres, and the federal Government is also considering creating a Medicare rebate for midwife care. Talk to almost any woman who has had a midwife manage their birth and it's hard to see why this has not happened already. Most new mothers have little but praise for them. Heather Hillam, of Sydney, gave birth one week ago to her and husband Howard's first child, Emily, at the delivery suite of her local public hospital. The delivery was handled entirely by a midwife, and Hillam says it was the midwife's support that allowed her to give birth without any pain relief. She was so impressed she says she'll ``definitely'' choose to have a midwife deliver her next child (although she will again opt for a hospital setting where back-up is available). ``The surprise for me was that I just didn't realise the level of skill that midwives had,'' she says. ``I pictured them almost as womanly support, but the midwife who was with me throughout the whole birth ... she left me feeling secure and safe. I think it's easy to underestimate the skill and knowledge that they have.'' Such enthusiasm is reflected by experience in Britain, which has been actively encouraging midwife-led care since the government published an influential report, Changing Childbirth, in 1993. Consultant obstetrician Rick Porter is director of maternity services at the Royal United Hospital in Bath, southwest England, and runs one of the country's most developed midwife-led services. His one service, which has several midwife-run stand-alone units in surrounding communities, accounts for 16 per cent of the 10,000 births in British community midwife units annually. A strong supporter of midwife care, he says the Bath service has ``extraordinary'' public backing: for every patient who complains, there are between 40 and 60 others who have taken the trouble to compliment the service in writing. (As Porter drolly adds, thanking people is ``not an English habit''.) He thinks birthing passed from midwives into hospitals in Britain, Australia and other places as a result of ``an abuse of the concept of cause and effect''. According to Porter the obstetricians and policy makers of the day noted that as more births were being done in hospitals, perinatal mortality rates continued to fall, and ``made the jump'' to saying the move to hospital birth was responsible for bringing death rates down. ``So by 1970 ... they said `if we completely expunge community births, then we're going to be even better'. And of course they were right - over the next 30 years maternal and perinatal mortality did fall, but what they forgot to work out was whether it had anything at all to do with universal hospitalisation,'' he says. ``There isn't a causal relationship, or at least there is, but it's not
Re: [ozmidwifery] US-Sad situation for maternity caregiver
I did some searching but haven't been able to find out. - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] US-Sad situation for maternity caregiver Does anyone know what happened to dr. Murphy in the end? Vedrana
Re: [ozmidwifery] Emailing: video05 you will like this
Is it Portu Bien? I have this on DVD with subtitles. - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Emailing: video05 you will like this It's not bad, all in spanish but you get the drift with the acting and prior knowledge of what goes on. Cheers Judy --- Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got it, it was a email link for a video of a guy having a baby in a very medicalised setting. On 03/09/2005, at 3:51 AM, Gloria Lemay wrote: my virus scanner eliminated it. Gloria - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Emailing: video05 you will like this Is this a genuine message or a virus? I thought that attachments could not be sent to the list - please all be cautious and do not open unless it is verified The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: lyn lyn To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Emailing: video05 you will like this The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.clubcultura.com/haymotivo/video05.htm Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 1/09/2005 Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Men at births
I think the utter relief after giving birth and the euphoria and oxytocin running through your body with a wet warm baby on your belly can be likened to orgasm - except BETTER! Cheers Jo x I agree and it lasted for weeks Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report)
Rachel is that the Wesley Hospital in Townsville? Knowing the rates of C-section up here it does not surprise me. I think their rate is around 50%. (Although they seem to be the better of the two Private Hospitals) h the way of the future??? Honey - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Thanks Denise! What a lovely response. Moving to Australia has re-ignited my fighting spirit regarding women's birth rights. There is so much to fight for and so many motivated, strong midwives and birthing women. I am looking forward to what we can all achieve together for the future of childbirth in Australia. By the way, is anyone going to the Wesley Hospital (Qld) on Saturday for the 'C-section: the way of the future' conference? Should be interesting/infuriating. Rachel From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:18:02 +0800 Dear Rachel I find your fedd back very perceptive it seems that the obs are behaving like threatened children. And previously Regarding the 3rd degree tear stats. I would be interested to know where this research is from. As far a I know no-one has researched physiological birth and it's impact on the perineum - probably because so few women experience it. I hope all future midwives have half the abilities you have shown on this list in only 2 emails You have given me great cheer for the futre of midwifery!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) As a newcomer to Australia from the UK - it seems that the obs are behaving like threatened children. Firstly, their stats can flawed. Other developed countries have also looked at the evidence and concluded that midwife-led, community-based care is effective, efficient and safe. For example, the UK is moving towards a midwifery-led birth centre model based on research about what women want and what is safe. Secondly, even if midwifery-led birth is unsafe (which it is not). Surely women's right to choose this option should be maintained. Women should be able to access a wide range of birth options from independent mws to elective c-section. Interesting that a woman's right to opt for an elective c-section/induction is upheld by the obs despite the wealth of research demonstrating it is not the safest choice for mother or baby. However, they want to block a woman's right to choose midwifery-led care based on safety claims. Is this about safety or power? I am deeply disturbed by the amount of hostility directed at mws by obs. We should be working together - mw being the experts in physiological birth, and obs being the experts in complicated birth. Rachel From: Sally-Anne Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:23:49 +1000 - Original Message - From: Sally To: Sally-Anne Brown Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Sally ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested you might be interested in this http://theaustralian.com.au report. 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries Adam Cresswell, Health editor 30 August 2005 THE safety of midwife-led birthing units has been doubted and the most reliable evidence suggests babies born in such centres are 85 per cent more likely to die during or shortly after birth, compared with babies born in major hospitals. Leading obstetrician Andrew Pesce said yesterday that a review by the international Cochrane Collaboration - considered the best source of evidence for medical claims - found that home-like settings for births were associated with modest benefits. Dr Pesce said these benefits included higher rates of breastfeeding, more satisfied mothers and slightly higher rates of spontaneous vaginal childbirth (as opposed to surgical deliveries). However, the Sydney-based Dr Pesce - who is also secretary of the industrial lobby
Re: [ozmidwifery] Clinical experiences
Curious as to reasons Michelle, can you explain? - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Clinical experiences Hi Lindsay, Sorry we can't offer you anything in Mackay at the birth centre. At present we are unable to have student midwivesin the BC or the maternity unit unless they are actually on staff and paid. Hope something works out for you somewhere else. Are there still some midwives doing homebirths in Cairns? Cheers MichelleLindsay Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HiFor my Diploma of midwifery I need to do some hours of 'alternativebirthing'. Originally I planned to go to Selangor in Nambour, but amworried about the cost and practicality of this. The other possibility isMareeba as it is closer... can anyone give me some input or ideas? I livein Townsville. Ideally I am looking to do 2 weeks in October as I haveleave booked.ThanksLindsay-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!?Messenger 7.0: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them!
Re: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour
Some people also suggest singing! - Original Message - From: Kirsten Dobbs To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour This is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc In Ina May Gaskins, Ina Mays guide to childbirth she mentions it in there under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and horse lips. Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging it. Heres to mooing in labour! Kirsten Darwin
Re: [ozmidwifery] another induction
That would be the logical way to do it but I haven't seen it done unless the woman insists. What is wrong with the Ob asking the covering ob to see all his women for one visit? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] another induction
I know OB's who do inform their patients from day 1 and try to avoid taking on women who are due around when they will be away, but at the same time what about the Private OB's who have every second weekend off (or only work every one in 3 weekends) and their backup OB covers, you go into labour on the weekend turn up and here is an OB you have never met before. Happens here in Townsville all the time. (another reason they can give to inducea women during the week rather than introducing them to the other OB's in town). I understand why some might prefer inductions and c-sections when they are taking on 30 women a month they don't have the time to wait around and let women labour in their own time. They want some time off! Honey - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] another induction I guess I'm having difficulty with the terms. Informed them later means they weren't told right at the time they started the contract with the mw, right? Surely it would not be difficult to book all holidays at least 9 mos ahead of time so that people know if you'll be in town or not? I only take on Conference speaking if I know at least one year ahead for that reason. I agree that mws need to take very good care of themselves and rejuvenate body and soul, but I don't get why the client can't be told before the first visit I'll be away when you are due. I have someone I trust who will be covering my practice so if you'd like to get your prenatal care with me, I'll introduce the covering mw to you at the end of your pregnancy. That type of statement makes it clear from the beginning what the plan is. I have the same impatience with drs who don't inform their clients long ahead of time that they work in a group practice of 10 other doctors. The woman doesn't stand a hope of getting the one that she sees regularly so why pretend? Birthing women deserve to be informed of these silent peculiarities so that they're not ambushed on the day the birth begins. Gloria Quoting brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gloria, It is not 'lying' (definition: withholding or distorting truth) when a professional tells you up front what their plans are ! There is no lack of integrity in being honest. I know of 2 very prominent midwives who have done exactly what the OB mentioned in the original post did: went on hols after booking the client informed them later that they'd have to find their own cover for the absent period! Once informed it's up to the client to decide whether she chooses to work with that caregiver for her pregnancy. She has a choice if she understand that the person she is dealing with has hols booked for the time she's due she'll be cared for by the covering practitioner. We all have to have a life outside of work, as long as we are honest with our clients then it's up to them to make those decisions, that's what 'informed choice' is all about. If we never took leave we'd burn out in no time as we are on call from 37 to 43 weeks for births, there is no time when we can book a complete month off without actually taking the end of the month before the beginning of the month after off. IOL is another issue altogether the outrage is indeed warranted, yet there is always a percentage of women who still expect IOL on demand. BM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] another induction When professionals disappoint and defraud their clientele, they have only themselves to blame for the lack of respect and mistrust which arises in the public. Giving prenatal care to a woman when one is planning to be away at the time of her birth is simply lying. This kind of lack of integrity has a great cost. Inducing for convenience of the practitioner is dangerous and unethical. I think the outrage is warranted. Primum non nocere. Gloria Quoting brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Janet, This IOL for Drs going on holidays happens all the time ! I'm not saying it's right, just that it's very common. It's also very common to book women knowing that the OB will be on leave when she's due a colleague will cover, but they usually tell the woman that this is the case. I'm not into defending Obs generally but they are entitled to a life. It is the usual routine polite for them to schedule a meeting to introduce the covering OB to the woman so they've met at least once prior to the birth though. Don't despair, midwives do it tooas a group we aren't above reproach ! Brenda - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:10 PM
[ozmidwifery] VBAC's and Midwifery led birth centres
Hi All Wondering if anyone can tell me about the different policies Midwifery led birth centres have in Australia regarding VBAC's. OR if anyone has STATs etc on this. I am gathering info for the proposed Townsville Birth Centre. There are many women who feel it is important the birth centre be open to women having VBAC's but we need info toshow the doc's and powers to be that it is safe etc. So are there any birth centres where it is an option? Thanks in advance Honey
Re: [ozmidwifery] sounds during labour/birth
The other issue is caregivers who are not comfortable with birth noises themselves. If they make some comment or encourage an epidural or pethidine becaue THEY can't handle it. I had a midwife make a comment to me at a birth once ( I was the doula) and I was shocked that she couldn't relax with the noises and see them as normal and necessary for some women. Perhaps they should inject themselves with the pethidine and leave the woman to it. Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [UCbirthnews] Unassisted Childbirth on the Discovery Health Channel
This was for the US, but you if you check the programming you may find it comes on the Australian discovery health too. - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [UCbirthnews] Unassisted Childbirth on the Discovery Health Channel I'm afraid I don't know, Yvette. I hope you get to see it : ) J - Original Message - From: Lindsay Yvette To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [UCbirthnews] Unassisted Childbirth on the Discovery Health Channel Janet is this on Australian tv? We have foxtel digital with discovery health but can't find it. Yvette http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/t/twingirlslb/ - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [UCbirthnews] Unassisted Childbirth on the Discovery Health Channel Given our recent discussions about this brilliant dvd, I thought it might interest people to see this. Best, J Dear Friends, Mindy Goorchenko and her family will be appearing in an episode of "Amazing Babies" this Tues., Aug. 2nd at 8pm and 11pm Eastern Daylight Time on the Discovery Health Channel (see web site for additional dates and times - http://health.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=2cpi=111205gid=0). As some of you know, Mindy is the woman who delivered her own twins unassistedwhile her husband tended to their two-year-old, andcalmly captured the event on video. The result (other thantwo beautiful babies!) was the inspiring DVD "Psalm and Zoya: The Unassisted Homebirth of Our Twins" - http://unassistedbirth.com/bookshop/videos/bv2_psalm_zoya.html Mindy said the production crew was very nice. However, be prepared for the usual dramatics those of us who have watched these shows have come to expect.The description of the episode onDiscovery's web site reads as follows: "A plan for homebirth with a midwife goes terribly wrong when the pregnant mom has to deliver her twins on her own; and one of the babies is a breech birth." While it's true that Mindy had planned to have midwives at the birth, anyone who has seen the DVD knows that she was not the least bit worried when they didn't make it in time. In fact, she was fully prepared to give birth alone and had planned for an unassisted birth throughout much of her pregnancy. As she wrote in her birth story: "Since we had conceived our babies naturally, we had no reason to think we couldn't give birth to them naturally as well. We started looking for a midwife. This was easier said than done. We interviewed several yet none quite meshed with how we wanted this experience to be. Rather than trusting in the process, most of the midwives had fear about the birth of the second twin and I did not feel comfortable having that attitude around me during birth. We decided to simply go it alone. I had always wanted an unassisted home birth...I just didn't think it would be with twins! My husband trusted me to make that decision and felt comfortable being the only 'attendant' at the birth. I knew in my heart, soul, and bones that these babies needed to be born at home into the safest environment possible and that the birth would go well." Once again, I am somewhat disappointed (but not surprised)thatthe production company chose toput a dangerous spin on the birth - at least on their web site. Let's hope Mindy's optimism, enthusiasm and confidencecomes throughin the actual episode.
[ozmidwifery] Independant Midwife in Sydney
Hi All Are there any midwives willing to work in the richmond area (for a woman 2nd bub due March 05) that are happy for me to pass on their contact details to her. I know a few of you who work in Sydney but thought it best to ask as I'm not sure who is near Richmond. You can reply to me offlist at honeyfrog (at) bigpond.com Thanks Honey
[ozmidwifery] US-Sad situation for maternity caregiver
This is a story in the US where a doctor has had her obstetric and gynae license suspended and is in front of the medical review board because her 8% c-sec rate is too low and she is practicing unsafe medicine!. You get about $700 more than the vaginal birth. So you actually get paid more to do the quickest, easiest thing, compared to sitting at the bedside or being in the hospital with the patient, said Murphy. http://www.ktuu.com/CMS/anmviewer.asp?a=14312z=4 Of course it is only a short article and we don't know all the details but I find it a scary situation. Maybe she should practice as a midwife instead. A doula on another list I am on posted it today. Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] US-Sad situation for maternity caregiver
Does anyone know the sort of money difference Private Ob's get for C-sections compared to vaginal births here in Australia? I think it's considerably higher than the $700 this US Doctor talks about. The same newspaper did a story today about Are anchorage C-section rates too high? but now I can't get it up on my computer. I like how at the end they talk about how c-section rates increased with the use of fetal heart monitors 30 years ago in the US (because doctors were concerned about cerebral palsy) but cerebral palsy rates have not gone down since. Where is evidence based practice in that? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] B/feeding implants?
www.kellymom.com has some good information. here is the direct link http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/mom/breast-surgery.html Hope that helps Honey
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today has arrived!
In what position is this? Is it standing, sitting (or lying on back)?? I understand frog legs but not what position the woman is actually in. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today has arrived! A few months ago I read that having the mom put her heels together (like frog legs) during pushing was an effective way to bring baby down. I used this method while birthing my youngest child, but didn't really remember that until reading your article. I am a doula and while attending a birth this week I suggested to the nurse this position. She said she would try anything once. Mom brought the baby down in just a couple of pushes. She pushed her first baby out in just a little less than 40 minutes. We used the "frog legs" position until crowning. Shelley Bailey, doula, Uniontown, Ohio
[ozmidwifery] Accupuncture
"Is acupuncture used in activelabour? I would be interested to hear of anyone's experiences of this." I had an accupuncturist give me accupunture in the days leading up to my birth, the night before I went into labour, during active labour in her clinicand then I asked her to come in to the birth centre with me, and she did give me some accupunture during pushing stage.I think it helped get things moving as I was overdue and running out ofdays to be able to go to the birth centre, I don't know to what degree it helped with the pain,I had a wonderful birth with nopain medicationand I wouldn't describe it as painful either, it was hard work and a long second stage with a nine pound five ounce baby exactly one year ago today. Iwould use accupuncture again.I don't know if that helps, but if you have more specific questions I'm happy to answer them. Honey - Original Message - From: Fiona Craig Rumble To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:21 AM Hi list, I have just read in Salerno (1999, p. 122) that endorphin release is higher after acupuncture and TENS. Is acupuncture used in activelabour? I would be interested to hear of anyone's experiences of this. Thanks Fiona (CE student)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Morning sickness
I had severe vomiting and nausea throughout my pregnancy (hyperemesis) and through all my research I found outdifferent things seem to work for different women. Particulary in the case of which foods work. Megan's suggestions below are all really good ones. Just adding to those. Keepingyour frequentfluids and food seperate by at least half an hour. One thing often talked about particulary for people so nauseaous they don't feel like eating anything -eating whatever you are craving (within reason) can help. Sucking on lollies, mints, dried ginger or ginger lollies. Vitamin B6 has had alot of research done on it - from what I found small frequent doses of like 25 or 50mg throughout the day can help. Ongoing its not suggested to take more than 150mg a day but for up to 4 weeks it seems to be safe to take up to 250mg if its really bad and you need the extra mg, but reduce it back down to 150mg a day after that period. The other thing that you can check is zinc- you can do a simple zinc tongue test at a health food store or chemist. Restavit sleep tablets (doxylamine succinate) available over the counter at the chemistis a drug combined with takingB6 often used to help with nausea and vomiting particulary for women with really severe nausea. It is sold in canada in atablet together for morning sickness. It is a drug so it depends on how you feel about taking anything like that - it has had more research done on it than almost any other drug in pregnancy and considered reasonably safe i think it is category B. Do some searches online and you'll find more info. I took it for part of my pregnancy it is recommended in small doses throughout the day also. up to maximum of 3 tablets (75mg). I quartered or halfed the tablets that way it didn't make me drowsy and kept a regular amount in my body throghout the day. My obstetrician was happy for me to take it, I ended up taking stronger drugs (zofran) as my vomiting got so severe. I tried homeopathy, accupuncture and sea bands and a host of other natural things but my sickness was so bad I felt I needed the medication. Nicky Wesson in her book MORNING SICKNESS talks alot about lemons (even just smelling them might help) and zinc. Also a website that is helpful is www.hyperemsis.orgthey have a whole host of suggestions. best wishes Honey
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwives.com.au
Can student midwives sign up to access the site? - Original Message - From: 80simona fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwives.com.au Hello I would like to make all Midwives aware that the Midwives message board is now up and running at www.midwives.com.au click on your say and sign up (midwives only). You can still opt to have postings sent to your own email box - however there is a great advantage to visiting the Your Say message boards in your own time, rather than having your email box filled with subjects and posts that are really of no interest to you - and simply clutter up your email box. The service is free. Alll Midwives that sign up to the service between now and the end of October will be entered in a free draw - the winner will get their own profile on www.midwives.com.au Whilst www.midwives.com.au is still partly under construction, there is already plenty to see - especially in the your Shop section. This website is based and run here in Australia - however due to the incredible service that is offered in supporting the midwife memorabilia by cafepress, the products are shipped from the USA -globally, take about 7-10 days. This site is designed primarily to create greater awaress of midwifery - both here in Australia and worldwide. One of the services offered is to have your own midwives email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The long term goals regarding www.midwives.com.au is to create a search engine for everything midwifery - and we would love to hear your idea's both for products in the shop and anything else you would like to see featured on the site. Thanks for reading Warmest regards Simona _ Smart Saving with ING Direct - earn 5.25% p.a. variable rate: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7249209;8842331;n?http://www.ingdirect.com.au/burst6offer.asp?id=8 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] patient rights
Leanne wrote However, I'm pretty sure that, legally speaking, no-one can *force* you to have a C-section. Does anyone know whether this is right or not? While we're on the topic, does anyone know what complications usually result in C-sections, and what patient rights are re refusing a section? As far as I know you have the right to refuse anything you don't want and nothing should be done to you without your permission. (I hate the stories of episiotomy done without permision and waters broken without asking). If it was the US you might be charged if you chose not to have a c-section and the baby died, as in one US case a few months back. We had a women here recently who was having a VBAC (not breech) and had to negotiate what she wanted with the Hospital. They have policy of having continuous monitoring and canula in the hand when you are Trial of scar. She said she was happy to have monitoring every hour but refused to be strapped continously to it and the Ob made her sign a waiver saying that they had discussed all the risks etc She had a wonderful VBAC but really had to work to get what she wanted and to prepare herself for it. Many women don't even realise they have a choice with alot of the care they get. The women I meet here don't even consider having a vaginal breech birth because the doctors just book them in for a c-section. Honey - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breech baby wisdom They probably were pushing for her to have a caesar...I'm booked in with the Family Birth Centre at the Royal Womens in Melbourne, and their hospital policy (for the whole hospital including the FBC, that is) is that all breech births are immediate C-sections. However, I'm pretty sure that, legally speaking, no-one can *force* you to have a C-section. Does anyone know whether this is right or not? While we're on the topic, does anyone know what complications usually result in C-sections, and what patient rights are re refusing a section? Leanne XXX Leanne, I used to work at the RWH in Melbourne while I was training to be a Midwife. In my interview, one question they asked me was, if someone was in labour, and they needed an emergency c/s, and they didn't want one, what would you do? It turns out that you cannot force someone to have a c/s if they refuse one. In their example, they used a Somali woman, but I'm sure that would extend to any woman! If you were refusing a c/s for a breech, I'm sure they would make you sign something to waive your right to sue if anything happened though. HTH Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently.
Thanks for sharing this story it's lovely to hear how everything went. - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently. I just wanted to let you know the amazing story about this call for breast milk. A friend in Exmouth got really sick and was evacuated by Royal Flying Doctor Service to Perth, leaving Exmouth about 9pm. Initially they thought that the baby, Edyn, would come down with her but as mum was on some nasty drugs she wanted some breast milk for an interim time until she was off the worst of the drugs so the called me, their midwife, to try to source some for them. I phone some of my clients and the first two I called both said, I have plenty of breast milk but have trouble expressing could I just breast feed the baby. So I phoned back to Exmouth (they were still waiting for the RFDS to come) and asked the mother if she would consider this. She responded asking me would I trust my life with these women? I told her I would. She the said she thought she would be too ill to care for her baby and would I take her baby until she was well enough and get the women who had offered to breast feed the baby. I said I would. They were unable to transport her 7 month old, fully breast fed baby with her and so dad was left holding the baby (plus caring for 4 other children. He tried to give her formula in a bottle but she would have none of it! She would drink water and he convinced her to eat some baby food. Dad and babe finally arrived in Perth at 9.30pm I went to pick them up along with one of the wonderful mums who had offered to breast feed the little baby plus her two small sons!! We met then at the airport and Edyn was introduced to Helen and Helen offered her a breast feed in the airport lounge and to all of our amazement Edyn fed hungrily without a second look at Helen!! The Dad later told me that he felt close to tears when he saw his baby feeding as he had been so worried about her!! I then took Dad and Edyn to visit with mum and then took Edyn to my home where Helen and her 2 boys had gone to sleep the night. The very adaptable Edyn slept with me for a couple of nights (what a shock for me whos babe is 8 years old), breast fed from 2 wonderful women day and night until the worst of the drugs were finished and it was safe for her to breast feed from her mum again!! Back at home the Exmouth community mobilized and cared for the 4 other girls left there day and night for about 1 week. Now Edyn is back to breast feeding although she is very keen about baby food too!! Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain -Original Message-From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sally WestburySent: Monday, 2 August 2004 7:41 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently. Anyone in perth got a client with lots of milk to spare. I have a friend who is dehydrated and going into hospital who would like to keep her baby on breast milk. She is going into St Johns Subi. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain
[ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
Can anyone point me in the right direction. I guess I am looking for a solicitor or someone that is able to give a legal opinion on the Doula agreement I have with clients. One of the Private hospitals here has issues with Doulas working there, I assume it is from fear of being sued and the hospital being liable. I tried to contact Jo Morrisey who lectures at James Cook Uni on Health Care and the law but he is on long service leave. They have written me a letter requiring my professional Credentials and evidence that I have Indemnity insurance in the sum of $10m for any one claim and up to $20m in the aggregate per annum. I am not permitted to perform services of a professional nature at the hospital until these issues have been addressed. I don't provide advice or opinions or perform any clinical or medical tasks and basically work in the same role as a mother or sister or friend would support a woman at their hospital. The only real difference is I have a contract agreement with the woman and I receive payment for the service. I know Doulas work in Priavate hospitals without there being any issues in other parts of Australia. And what do independant midwives do about working at private Hospitals. I am pretty sure when I birthed at Royal Women's hospital in randwick a year ago that Independant midwives were able to work there with clients who hired them and wished to use the birthing centre. And Midiwives can't get insurance so what do the hospitals do in that situation? Please excuse me if this is not well written but I have been typing up letters to the editor and media releases pushing for better maternity services with one on one midwifery care for the last few hours and brain is definately tiring. thanks in advance Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice
I would love attend the conference but I am on call for a birth and being so far away it's not so easy to pop down if she has the baby before the weekend. I did hear that Denise was planning the conference but didn't find out when it was on until she emailed the ozmid list with the details. I have a very clear contract with my clients but its a matter of getting some understanding with the Private hospital. My partner thinks I need a lawyer to give me some advice. I wouldn't worry about working in the private hospital as we have such a good relationship at the public hospital and its a much nicer birthing environment anyway but I have a client who wishes to birth in one of the Private and I'm sure there will be women who choose the private system and want me as their doula so it woiuld be good to get it cleared up. I'll have a look at the ACMI website and the Nursing Council site. Thanks Honey - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice Honey - are you going to the Doula conference in Sydney this weekend? - that would be a great issue to discuss with other doulas. I have a similar issue teaching infant massage but get all participants to sign a disclaimer and I put all risks ie oil sensitiity/ when not to massage etc in writing on this contract. The Doula conf sounds like a fabulous weekend and there are around 70 doulas from all over Australia expected. Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonson will be there with their amazing work and I am talking too. Contact Denise Love ( 1300 139 507 - Sydney). Pinky - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice Can anyone point me in the right direction. I guess I am looking for a solicitor or someone that is able to give a legal opinion on the Doula agreement I have with clients. One of the Private hospitals here has issues with Doulas working there, I assume it is from fear of being sued and the hospital being liable. I tried to contact Jo Morrisey who lectures at James Cook Uni on Health Care and the law but he is on long service leave. They have written me a letter requiring my professional Credentials and evidence that I have Indemnity insurance in the sum of $10m for any one claim and up to $20m in the aggregate per annum. I am not permitted to perform services of a professional nature at the hospital until these issues have been addressed. I don't provide advice or opinions or perform any clinical or medical tasks and basically work in the same role as a mother or sister or friend would support a woman at their hospital. The only real difference is I have a contract agreement with the woman and I receive payment for the service. I know Doulas work in Priavate hospitals without there being any issues in other parts of Australia. And what do independant midwives do about working at private Hospitals. I am pretty sure when I birthed at Royal Women's hospital in randwick a year ago that Independant midwives were able to work there with clients who hired them and wished to use the birthing centre. And Midiwives can't get insurance so what do the hospitals do in that situation? Please excuse me if this is not well written but I have been typing up letters to the editor and media releases pushing for better maternity services with one on one midwifery care for the last few hours and brain is definately tiring. thanks in advance Honey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] repeating posts
There seem to be a number of posts coming in multiple times from different people now. Could it be something with the ozmidwifery email rather than individuals computers? Or are we all catching the virus? - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] repeating posts Hey Jo! I am not cross and I am sure the others are not as it is obviouslyun-intentional. Good luck with the tech friend!! Don't they come in handy. Kim. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 14/09/2004 3:45:30 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] repeating posts I am really sorry about this guys, i am trying to work out why this is happening. My virus software says there is nothing worng but we all can tell it is not! I am going to remove my address book from the computer and see if that helps! Pleasedont be cross. you coud try putting a bar on the particular message to stop it from coming in on your end? But I am going to call a techfriend tonight!
[ozmidwifery] abortion and working with women etc
Abby I find your writings on abortion very judgemental of others. How can you sit in judgment when you personally have not been through abortion and know what it is like, or know why a woman would make that choice? It seems youhave never had to face a situation personally with abortion. Or if you have you need to deal with your feelings about it adequetly rather than sit in judgment of others. I have had two abortions personally -one an unwanted pregnancy at a very young age with failed contraceptives and the other a very much wanted pregnancy and abortion due to medical reasons (my health not the fetus'). They werehard situations and the grief I have experienced is enormous. I have reflected on my views on abortion many times and althoughIdon't believe I wouldchoose an abortion again for myselfI still believe in a womans right to choose an abortion. Perhaps its time you turned the attention and energy around and focus on yourself and look at what it is inside yourself that you can't accept. I worry that someone who works with women regulary would hold such harsh views.How can you care and support them adequetly feeling the way you do? Do you ask each woman before you work with them about their "abortion status" and decline working with them if they have had an abortion? I didn't want to join this debate as it is such an emotive one and probably does no good, but your comments affected me and there are probably many women on this list who have had abortions so you are sitting in judgement of many and bringing up pain and many feelings for women in a very unloving and unsupportive way. perhaps its time to take this debate to an abortion list rather than an ozmid one. Thanks - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: abortion etc Vegetarianism and abortion, I find that incredibly ridiculous! I just can't get this comment out of my head. It is so ridiculous...so ridiculous that some women don't eat meat because they don't want to harm or killan animal, yet they will willfully, and by choice, harm and kill their unborn baby. I find this incredibly ridiculous. Abby
[ozmidwifery] BMid SA
Are there issues with different states in Australia and the BMId qualification? For example if you study externally from Uni SA but then want to be registered and work as a Midwife in Darwin or Brisbane or Canberra are there problems or is it accepted everywhere? Thanks Honey - Original Message - From: Marguerite Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re BMid SA Hi Sue I found out about Uni SA external BMid program a week or two ago after buying the NSW/ACT uni book and finding UT (Syd) BMid ( due to start 2005) unlisted. I browsed a bit and found Uni SA. I emailed Beth Grinter who sent me info re external study BMid at Uni SA . It has, to date, only been some units but her reply suggests that all units should be available externally by 2005 intake. She sent me an info sheet with SATAC numbers for the courses, which is a bit puzzling because the SATAC website BMid number isn't the same as Beth's ones. And no separate numbers for applying for on campus versus external study. Trying to track it all down now, apply AND examining, after years of being a birth helper, if my goal of being a midwife is still in place. I've been waiting for the ACT to introduce the BMid since at least 1997 and it's still not here so exteranl study seems a good option as I don't feel like I can move. I've been --- Tania Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re BMid SAHi Sue I don't think there is an external 3 year program - but then I didn't know there was an external 6 year program either!! From my understanding there are only certain subjects in the 3 year program that can be undertaken externally. Perhaps you could contact the program director at Uni SA. Her name is Beth Grinter, ph 8302 6317 - she can be difficult to get hold of, so be patient and she will return your call if you leave a message. Tania Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Thankyou Tania I am very interested in this as an option as I feel If I decided to become a midwfie BMID would be my preferred option. Thanks for Sharing. - Original Message - From: Tania Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction Honey, I'm a 3rd BMid (yes, direct entry) student at UniSA. On the whole, our placements at various venues have been positive and encouraging, with the odd ear bashing about 'why don't you do your RN, then do your mid'. My feeling is that the negativity aimed at students is mainly due to change. I believe it was the same when tertiary education replaced hospital based training. Have heard the occassional comment about direct entry students not being able to work from a 'broad enough knowledge base'! It is my understanding that after 3 years of study with midwifery as the focus, we have as much knowledge as RN's who choose to do their mid. I don't want to get into a debate about which is the right path to choose and I don't mean to offend anybody, each of us have our different reasons for the road we travel, but the fact is BMidders are here to stay! Personally, I am passionate about working with women and assisting them to achieve a positive, empowering birth experience. The BMid works within a woman centred, wellness model and promotes pregnancy as a normal, social, life cycle experience - as is change. Cheers Tania - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), Tanya I'm not a midwife so I can't offer any suggestions but I am curious about the difference between the two different methods of study to becoming a qualified midwife. I am assuming Bachelor of Midwifery is what some people refer to as Direct Entry. Can you tell me a little more about the reasons why some people think you've chosen the wrong path to midwifery? Thanks Honey [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tanya drumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), Tanya I'm not a midwife so I can't offer any suggestions but I am curious about the difference between the two different methods of study to becoming a qualified midwife. I am assuming Bachelor of Midwifery is what some people refer to as Direct Entry. Can you tell me a little more about the reasons why some people think you've chosen the wrong path to midwifery? Thanks Honey [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tanya drumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!
I couldn't find it either. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers! I am getting very frustrated at being unable to locate this site! MM Yes I have had a look and it seems like it will be a really good website, very informative, once it is all up and running. Especially for midwives hoping to move to Australia Like me. Wendy I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any luck? MM Have a look www.midwives.com.au
[ozmidwifery] doula discussion
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi all, I have been reading the discussion on doula's with interest and am intrigued by some of the more negative comments towards the 'doula' profession. I tirelessly work for Homebirth Access Sydney and Homebirth Australia - co-ordinating both groups. Which also involves supporting Maternity Coalition and the wonderful Justine Caines. I consider myself a staunch advocate for women centred and best practice care. I run Active Birth workshopsand I work as a doula in my local community. I have 4 children - 3 of whom were born at home with a midwife and a doula, as well as other family members. Working as a doula in the hospital system has been so eliquently explained by Honey and Vida that i won't go into it. What I really wanted to remark on is the role of the doula when 1-2-1 midwifery led care is present. I'm interested to understand the idea that if we were to have a system like NZ why there wouldn't be the need for doula's? Our roles are very different and a doula can be a benefit in all birth settings. I was approached by our local homebirth midwife and asked to assist her and her clients at their homebirths, which i have been doing for about 6 months now. The midwife pays me - not the women and we workreally well together, supporting one another the whole way. Which of course in turn supports the woman and her family. It is working wonderfully and have only had positive feedback from the families whom i have supported. Doula's benefit women, but they can also benefit midwives - even in an ideal system! cheers Jo Hunter From: Nigel Berni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 9:44 PMTo: jojoSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] doula article - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women g
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Well said Abby. You said it better than I could. - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. I think this statement is true. Birth has become, for the majority in a lot of cultures, a medical event. I don't think trained support people are adding to that, but are trying tosupport the minimisation of medicalisation of birth.Trained support people, as in doulas are trying to bring back the tradition of women supporting women during birth. As are midwives, who in my opinion are trained support people. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. I have heard this too, but if we are really talking about "professionals" undermining a womans belief in herself, then couldn't the same be said about midwives? I would say that if we look at things with that thinking, then the "need" of a midwife is disempowering too. I am not saying that I think like this, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in the statement. Once upon a time the peoplebirthing women had around them were their female relatives or the village women who had attendedother births. Traditional midwives did not know all the medical jargon, or need it, they did not know how to do an episiotomy or ve, they didn't need them either. I don't know what I am trying to say.lol! I just find it distressing that their is so much of, women need a midwife but they don't need a doula. I think we would all agree that in an ideal world, most women wouldn't need any of us. I think though, that women want other women around at birth, some may not, but it seems the majority do. Unfortunately we do not have the tradtitions being passed down from mother to daughter or aunt to niece or friend to friend etc, so there is a case for midwives and doulas. Why is it so terrible to some midwives for women to want a doula? Most doula courses teach about the traditions we have lost, it is, in our disconnected world, one of the only ways to learn them, apart from books etc. I know from my doula course, I learnt so much that I wish had been passed down through the generations. I gained somuch trust in the birthing mother and baby...trust that I would've had if I had grown up with women, in community, watching others birth their babies. Anyway.. it all comes back to what I believe is the essence of midwifery and doulaing, to be there for the woman, to support her and her family and to provide information for families. Some people say that if midwives were more available and 1-2-1 care was available that there would be no need for doulas, but I think if women had more trust in their bodies and there was common knowledge throughout the females today, then, in most cases,there would be no need for any "professional" in birth. The role of the midwife and the doula would be filled by the women of society. Love Abby
[ozmidwifery] Denise
Hi Denise
I'm in Townsville North Qld.I assume by where
you meant that?
Honey Acharya
Birth Buddies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:17
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Dear Honey
Where are you??
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.
For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret
Mead
- Original Message -
From:
Honey
Acharya
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:56
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Hi Denise
Irealised that you were asking for the
full details pros and cons to be in the story,but I guess your
emailprompted me to support the work that I do.I hope I didn't
sound attacking. I am so passionate about women, birth and birthing choices
thatI spend a large part of my life at the moment working towards a
better system. Before we did anything here as a small consumer group we
consulted the midwives and asked them how we could best support them and
what we should all focus on achieving. It came out that a Birth Centre with
one on one midwifery care was something we could all work towards and was
achievable in the current circumstances. We are working madly to get things
really happening and lobbying the politicians especially with the federal
election coming up. We have to have a really sound proposal so that it shows
we have really done the groundwork and it is clear the direction we are
heading in.
Thanks for the discussion,I think it is
so important that we keep evaluating and reflecting.
Honey
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Dear Honey
I agree with all you say I am only asking for
the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by
women in a system that is not women centred.
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.
For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret
Mead
- Original Message -
From:
Honey
Acharya
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
HI Kylie
Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we
call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work
with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them
and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1
midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet
(I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre
currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going
through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through
the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a
relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so
important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support
throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women
who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when
they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support
the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor
take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional
support.
I know Andrea Robertsonhas written
negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the
support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just
doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our
community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many
of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing
room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people
here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the
women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I
recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no
longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and
support her so I have become her friend and birth support person
and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for
me
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi Denise
Irealised that you were asking for the full
details pros and cons to be in the story,but I guess your
emailprompted me to support the work that I do.I hope I didn't sound
attacking. I am so passionate about women, birth and birthing choices
thatI spend a large part of my life at the moment working towards a better
system. Before we did anything here as a small consumer group we consulted the
midwives and asked them how we could best support them and what we should all
focus on achieving. It came out that a Birth Centre with one on one midwifery
care was something we could all work towards and was achievable in the current
circumstances. We are working madly to get things really happening and lobbying
the politicians especially with the federal election coming up. We have to have
a really sound proposal so that it shows we have really done the groundwork and
it is clear the direction we are heading in.
Thanks for the discussion,I think it is so
important that we keep evaluating and reflecting.
Honey
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Dear Honey
I agree with all you say I am only asking for the
full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in
a system that is not women centred.
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.
For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret
Mead
- Original Message -
From:
Honey
Acharya
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
HI Kylie
Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call
ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here
in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well
together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery
care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of
the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas
fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital
system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her
pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my
clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave
them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the
labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support
people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery
care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does
a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the
partner has drinks and food and emotional support.
I know Andrea Robertsonhas written
negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support
we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the
word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always
provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask
our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my
community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family
or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear
and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family
and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather
round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth
support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she
goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first
time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has
been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the
first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i
believeevery woman should have that support if she wants
it.
I don't think everyone wants or
needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important
option in childbirth it is wonderful tohave the choice ofa
doula.
I'll stop raving now
Honey Acharya
Birth Buddies
- Original Message -
From:
Kylie Carberry
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004
10:04 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula
article
Hi everyone
Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas,
also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and
am looking
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on one widwife have timeor take the time to make sure the partner has drinks and food and emotional support. I know Andrea Robertsonhas written negatively about Doulas saying that our community should provide the support we need but Andrea has supported at births tooshe just doesn't use the word Doula when she does it. Also often our community doesn't always provide the support we need, and in fact many of us would prefer not to ask our mother or sister into the birthing room for a variety of reasons. In my community a huge amount of people here are army based often without family or friends nearby, and the women I have supported so far have become dear and close friends. I recenlty have been volunteering for a refugee family and this woman no longer lives in a tribal situation where the women gather round her and support her so I have become her friend and birth support person and advocate making sure she gets an interpretor when she goes for medical visits, taking the whole family to the beach for the first time in their lives, making them meals every two days since the baby has been born so that she can stick to her tradition of being pampered for the first 12 days and not overdoing it. I don't do that for profit but because i believeevery woman should have that support if she wants it. I don't think everyone wants or needs a doula but I believe that just as having a midwife is an important option in childbirth it is wonderful tohave the choice ofa doula. I'll stop raving now Honey Acharya Birth Buddies - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery]
Hi Colleen I noticed that there haven't been any replies to you so I thought I'd say hi. I'm not a midwife but I can recommend www.maternitywise.org don't know if it will have enough detail for you, can anyone else suggest good websites? Hope you get some replies Honey Birth Buddies Townsville - Original Message - From: Van Onselen Family To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Goodday to you all. I was given this e-mail by someone at King Edward Memorial Hospital because I would like to get in touch with midwivesin Australia.I see you girls are very busy and have a seemingly lovely internet relationship. I am registered as a midwife in South Africa (1981)but am hoping to do the re registration course in October in Perth at the KEMH as I havnt had a delivery since 1996 and that was a home delivery which pretty much got on without me *smile*.I just couldn bare to read your mail without introducing myself as I felt like an eaves dropper hence this note to say Hi. While Im about this I wonder if any of you know a really informative website as I do not have all the books I require for self study as I am currently living in Malaysia and many of my physiology books are in storage in the RSA...I hope to meet some of you at some time..Ive been told babies arrive differently in AUS.and Im dying to see these pouches everyone tells me about.. * Grin* Colleen van Onselen acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] acceptance of homebirth article Hi everyone and thanks again to all who assisted with my article on homebirth. The editor at Wellbeing liked it and is publishing it. The bad new is not until next year in May - for their baby special - so I may have to review the facts etc. Oh well like they say 'better late ' cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kylie Carberry Searching for that dream home? Click here for all your property needs. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Cheap community-based childbirth ed.
I hope you don't mind me jumping in on this conversation. You wrote Does anyone run Birthing from Within classes anywhere in Australia? These classes feinetly have a structure but they also are designed from a women's way knowing perspective trying to draw out, expose if you will the woman's intuitive self. Birthing Rites Australia in Bondi Junction Sydney runs fantastic childbirth education classes, much more focused on learning to trust yourself and your body. Looking at the Feeling and emotional side to birth not just the physical. They are not Birthing from Within structured but they have their own special style as taught by Marie Burrows. They also have a wonderful Postnatal group that meets on Fridays, you can attend while pregnant also and learn lots of interesting info about breastfeeding, postnatal depression, parenting, connecting with other women etc I think it is a donation of $5 or $10 which includes morning tea. I love Birthing From Within and have recently read it twice, should be on the recommended reading list for all Pregnant women. My experience is the majority of women/couples will still attend the hospital classes even if they go to something independent. I am in Townsville and the best informal pregnancy learning we have is the Prenatal Yoga run by Karen Shlegeris a childbirth educator. She teaches lots of really useful stuff in amongst the yoga. (I went to a Prenatal Yoga class in Sydney recently and it was just about the yoga, very disappointing really.) Women here also come back to tell their stories and lots of networking between women happens and many friendships are made. We have also set up a Healing Birth debriefing support group (which includes VBAC support) and another woman and I have just started working as Doulas (birth support people). We have 1 Public and 2 private hospitals here and no independent midwives. The c-sec rates are approx 25%, 40% and 60% and we hear many horror stories and talk to many traumatised parents (some in the extreme who won't have any more children because of their experiences in childbirth-maybe the politicians should think more about choices in childbirth when they are promoting and trying to increase the birth rates in Australia). Sorry I don't have any other figures of other medical interventions and these rates were told to me by the midwives from these hospitals so they are not official stats but they give you an idea. There are an increasing number of women in Townsville choosing unattended homebirths (most would employ a midwife if that was an option). Or some are flying to Brisbane or Sydney as I did to have homebirths or birth at birth centres. I didn't mean to write all of that but as you all know when you're passionate about something once you start its hard to stop. Honey Acharya Birth Buddies - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Cheap community-based childbirth ed. Does anyone run Birthing from Within classes anywhere in Australia? These classes feinetly have a structure but they also are designed from a women's way knowing perspective trying to draw out, expose if you will the woan's intuitive self. Despite being written from an American perspective, the author Pam England, lives in apart of the country with a strong birthing tradition : New Mexico. Anyway, I do think it is a great book and of course as most people (here too) who have a successful message, Pam has marketed this method of CBE, so if you use her stuff you have to be careful how...copyright etc.. marilyn - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Cheap community-based childbirth ed. Jodie said: My point is, we don't necessarily need formal childbirth education classes or teachers in order to disseminate helpful, good quality, up to date information to birthing women. Anyone can learn to facilitate a group discussion, check facts and details and report back, network new mums and mums-to-be, etc. If a formal association is formed the group can then be entitled to grants for resources (eg, a reference library, teaching aids, etc). Anyone with a particular interest can start a support group. I agree Jodie that we learn best in an informal setting...however if you ask a first time 'standard issue' mum they would prefer the formal set up. I think it is derived from the masculine world we live in where there is structure, order and the idea that formal is superior. (Gee I wished I had done feminism at uni as I am sure there would be a term for what I am trying to describe). I think it is only when we become mothers that the benefits of the informal education we get from around the coffee table from peers, friends etc. I have two VERY good friends who are pregnant in Vic
Re: [ozmidwifery] re interview
Pinky SorryI can't figure out your email address to email offlist. I sufferred with severe morning sickness - hyperemesis gravidarum in two pregnancies, I have one child a 10 month old daughter. I am also in contact with a number of other previous and current hyperemesis sufferers around Australia if that helps (in a support group). my email to contact me offlist is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy to do any interviews asI think its important to get more understanding aboutthese thingsout there in the community. Thanks Honey - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re interview hi everyone -can anyone help here please -for an interview in Mother and Baby Mag -if so please contact me offline and I will pass on to thefeatures ed- Thanks Pinky do you know a mum who had a health problem during pregnancy like carpal tunnel syndrome or severe morning sickness or pre-eclampsia? I was just let down by a journo friend and need to find a mum - she doesn't have to be pregnant now, in fact it's better if she isn't. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] re interview
Hi Pinky Thanks Happy to talk to you at any time,I have done alotof personal research and supported many other women with hyperemesis over the past 3 years. Honey Acharya 07 47712541 PO Box 2017 Townsville QLD 4810 Hi Honey - Ihave sent your last email (on list) to Eve Hanks at Mother and Baby mag - I agree it would be great to get some understandig out there -I will also file your info as I would love to interview you at some stage too -?? for my Practical parenting column. Thanks Pinky - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re interview Hi Honey -I wil forward your email to Eve hanks at Mother and Baby -I have another person from the list as well - its great. Thanks. pinky - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re interview Pinky SorryI can't figure out your email address to email offlist. I sufferred with severe morning sickness - hyperemesis gravidarum in two pregnancies, I have one child a 10 month old daughter. I am also in contact with a number of other previous and current hyperemesis sufferers around Australia if that helps (in a support group). my email to contact me offlist is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy to do any interviews asI think its important to get more understanding aboutthese thingsout there in the community. Thanks Honey - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re interview hi everyone -can anyone help here please -for an interview in Mother and Baby Mag -if so please contact me offline and I will pass on to thefeatures ed- Thanks Pinky do you know a mum who had a health problem during pregnancy like carpal tunnel syndrome or severe morning sickness or pre-eclampsia? I was just let down by a journo friend and need to find a mum - she doesn't have to be pregnant now, in fact it's better if she isn't. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing an unusual placenta question - ideas please
Heres some photos of unusual placentas, I know it doesn't have all the info you're after but thought it may be of interest to you. Warning they are graphic, if you go to the index buttonfrom them there are lots of other interesting graphics http://medstat.med.utah.edu/nmw/mod2/Tutorial2/succinturiate.html http://medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/PLACHTML/PLAC007.html - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sharing an unusual placenta question - ideas please Hi all Thank you for your responses so far to the questions I posted last week below are there any more ideas? I have been asked an unusual placenta question tonight that I hope you can all help me with The woman is expecting her first baby there are no complications or problems with this pregnancy there has been no bleeding episodes during the pregnancy so far- however the ultrasound has revealed what appears to be 2 placentas joined by a blood vessel. The questions are: Would we expect there to be a greater risk of 3rd stage complications such as excessive bleeding? Could the blood vessel rupture either during the last few weeks of pregnancy or during the labour, birth or 3rd stage? Has anyone ever encountered this type of situation before and if so what was your experience? Would this be a strong case for having the Syntocinon injection given routinely? Is there a greater risk of pph? Warm hug to all, Julie
