Re: [ozmidwifery] short labours
I dont know about research but I have noticed that short labours seem to follow the maternal line fairly commonly. I have noticed this enough that I even mention it in childbirth education sessions. Midwife colleagues have noticed the same phenomena. An example of 'secret midwives business' Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne - Original Message - From: Veronica Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short labours My two sisters have 4 children each the longest labour (from the first contraction felt to birth of the baby) out of all being 2 hrs 10 mins, the shortest 2 x 20 mins (one in the car, the other on the kitchen floor). Is there any research that shows short labour run in families? Veronica -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Seeking Sri Lanka Midwife
Dear Andrea Thanks for that. I have that journal and look there is Heather's address! Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne - Original Message - From: Andrea Bilcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Capers Birth News [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Seeking Sri Lanka Midwife Hi Alesa, Heather's contact details are listed in the back of the latest issue of ALCA Galaxy. I can send them to you offlist if you haven't recieved them from someone else yet. Andrea Bilcliff - Original Message - Dear List (especially Melbourne Listers) have just come from a meeting where someone else had the brilliant idea of touching base with Heather Harris. Can anyone help me with her email or other contact details? Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] RE: Seeking Sri Lanka Midwife
Dear List (especially Melbourne Listers) have just come from a meeting where someone else had the brilliant idea of touching base with Heather Harris. Can anyone help me with her email or other contact details? Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
[ozmidwifery] Seeking Midwife
Dear List I am seeking assistance for a client who is leaving Australia to birth in Sri Lanka (!). She is now 22/52 and is currently planning to birth in Columbo but would dearly love some direct contact from a Midwife 'on the ground' to assist her. Does anyone have any contacts they could send me. Thanks in advance Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing birthtalk
Title: introducing "birthtalk" Dear Aviva I have always been so sad around the times that we remember the waste and futility of war (ANZAC day and Rememberance Day). I find it difficult to put my overwhelming sense of waste into words. Last year I had to share some of it with a group of 28 participants in a childbirth education class. I mentioned at the start of the session that I would like to acknowledge remembrance day at 1100 by stopping the session for one minute'srespectful silence. The groupagreed, at 1100 they were all involved in small group discussions but stopped following the gentle reminder that it was 1100 and 29 peopleremained silent for that minute. A very powerful minute. Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing "birthtalk" Wonderful! Go from victim to survivor to thriver to triumpher. As a female Vietnam veteran who broke silence after nearly twenty-six years' silence, I can vouch for the effectiveness of both talking and writing as therapeutic assets. A must for all trauma survivors. By the way, some of my Vietnam writing will be read at The Wall in Washington and the Writers' Tent on Memorial Day (equivalent of our Remembrance Day, 11/11). Have been invited to go over to give two half hour presentations next year, at the tenth anniversary of the dedication of the Vietnam Women Veterans' Memorial. I'll be passing the hat. Yes, talk, write, paint, draw, sing, dance, you name it, get it out out out and make sure people know about it. And please, teach children -- yours and others -- about the minute's silence in respect for those whose children will never see them, who died so that we may indeed battle for birthrites/birthrights. It's such a shame it went from three minutes to one, and even that, so many people don't even recognise. One minute of standing still is a very small time. Aviva - Original Message - From: elizabeth mcalpine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introducing "birthtalk" Dear Melissa, There are just too many traumatic births. Your group will grow huge - I'm sure that thousands of women will benefit in some small way, by sharing their stories. Liz Mc
Re: [ozmidwifery] Chronic fatigue!
Title: Message Hi Rowena Although your friend is distressed as a result of her birth experience it may or may not have been associated with her chronic fatigue. I have come across over a dozen pregnant/birthing/breastfeeding women in the last 10 years with chronic fatigue. I have taken a special interest in that time frame as my partner has had this disease since then. This is purely anecdotal, but I have noticed no great difference with the labour of these women. Some of them have been grossly fatigued by the end of their labour, but their birth type or PPH rates have been similar to the rest of the population, and some have been completely overwhelmed by the sleep deprivation associated with a new infant. But as with the disease itself, there is no predicted course. Each woman is different. What I have noticed is that the women who are most affected by labour/birthing/feeding are those still in the early phases of the disease.It is at this time that the fatigue is all consuming. Hope this helps Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Rowena Woolnough To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Chronic fatigue! Hi All, I know this subject was discussed recently but unfortunatley I deleted all the correspondence as I had so many messages to sort through. Well blow me down if the weekend after I did that I found out that a friend of mine who has had a baby three weeks ago suffers from chronic fatigue. She describes her labour as 50hrs long and was initally spontaneuos but she believes the chronic fatigue had something to do with the fact that she kept going in and out of labour. She eventually managed to get an augmentation with ARM and Synto and had a NVB. She is very angry about they way she was treated and her mother who was with her was very upset about her treatment (her mother was a midwife 30 years ago). She also had a PPH of about 2000ml.Both her mother and herself believe that the chronic fatigue played a roll in it all. I have no knowledge about chronic fatigue and labour but promised I would talk to you fantastic peolpe and find out as much for them as I could. She says she will definately be having a LUSCS if there is another pregnancy. Thanks for your time, Rowena - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B opinions and links http://mercola.com/2002/oct/12/hepatitis_b_vaccine.htm
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Show and tell
A little light relief .. Alesa Betsy, a grammar-school teacher from Miami, remembers this Oscar-worthybirth tableau from one of her students..." I've been teaching now for about fifteen years. I have two kids myself,but the best birth story I know is the one I saw in my own second-gradeclassroom a few years back.When I was a kid, I loved show-and-tell. So I always have a few sessionswith my students. It helps them get over shyness and experience a littlepublic speaking. And it gives me a break and some guaranteedentertainment. Usually, show-and-tell is pretty tame. Kids bring in pet turtles, modelairplanes, pictures of fish they catch, stuff like that. And I never, everplace any boundaries or limitations on them. If they want to lug it toschool and talk about it, they're welcome.Well, one day this little girl, Erica, a very bright, very out-going kid,takes her turn and waddles up to the front of the class with a pillowstuffed under her sweater. She holds up a snapshot of an infant. "This is Luke, my baby brother, and I'm going to tell you about hisbirthday. First, Mommy and Daddy made him as a symbol of their love, andthen Daddy put a seed in my mother's stomach, and Luke grew in there. He atefor nine months through an umbrella cord."She's standing there with her hands on the pillow, and I'm trying not tolaugh and wishing I had a video camera rolling. The kids are watching her inamazement."Then, about two Saturdays ago, my mother starts going, 'Oh, oh, oh!'" Erica puts a hand behind her back and groans."She walked around the house for, like an hour, "Oh, oh, oh!'" Now thekids'doing this hysterical duck-walk, holding her back and groaning."My father called the middle wife. She delivers babies, but she doesn'thave a sign on the car like the Domino's man. They got my mother to lie downin bed like this." Erica lies down with her back against the wall. "And then, pop! My mother had this bag of water she kept in there in casehe got thirsty, and it just blew up and spilled all over the bed, likepsshhheew!"The kid has her legs spread and with her little hands is miming water flowing away. It was too much!"Then the middle wife starts going push, push, and breathe, breathe. They start counting, but they never even got past ten. Then, all of asudden, out comes my brother. He was covered in yucky stuff they said wasfrom the play-center, so there must be a lot of stuff inside there."Then Erica stood up, took a big theatrical bow and returned to her seat.I'm sure I applauded the loudest. Ever since then, if it's show-and-tellday, I bring my camcorder - just in case another Erica comes along. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
That's a great idea and one which would certainly validate the "need" for this early invasive procedure. Another U/S practice which has been creeping in over this side of the continent (and please share if it is happening in your neck of the woods) is the abdo U/S at each antenatal visit from around 38 weeks. Why you ask? Well so did I. And the answer that I'm being givenis for the Dr to check the position of the baby. Now pardon my cynicism but that's what I thought an abdominal palpation was all about Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds. I have a gut feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also a gross invasion of a woman's body. I wonder if the operator "gets off" on it? I also wonder about all the guff that goes on about how accurate ultrasound dating is at any period of pregnancy. I would like all u/s providers to have to keep and punlish accurate and up to date data on when the babies wered actually born in comparison to when u/s predicted they were due. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops
Great timing Pinky I'm off to facilitate a reunion class tonight and I'll be able to share this info with the group. Not too far from your venue so you may see some new parents from us. Thanks for the info Regards Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Patricia Mc kay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi After all the talk of public liabilityI now find myself being asked to provide public liability coverage for workshops !! I need to do this to use the venue - has brought home how accepted is seems to be for people not to accept personal responsibility for their choices/ actions. Will be putting the full outline on my website in a few days, but am holding a toddler wweekend workshop and a series of Gentle Beginnings as follows: Gentle Beginnings Discover gentle parenting options including how to calm and connect with your baby and enhance infant development naturally without pressure, as well as how to nurture yourself and your partner relationship. Gentle Beginnings, a series of six weekly workshops for parents or parents-to-be with Pinky McKay , author of Parenting By Heart and 100 Ways to Calm the Crying commences 10.30am Tuesday 15 October at Wyreena Community Arts Centre, Croydon. Cost $80 (incl GST). No extra charge for partners. Bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone (03)98011997.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to Skin
The book's full details are: 'Kangaroo care, the best you can do to help your preterm infant', Susan M. Ludington-Hoe (with Susan K. Golant),Bantam Books,1993. Great book not just for lay people:) Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to Skin There is book for lay poeple "S-t-S care the best you can do for your pretem infant" By Susan ???Ludlooe Galannt and web sites with research lists about this topicdenise - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Skin to Skin Ashley Montagu's Touching -- the Human Significance of Skin. Shows up in second hand bookshops, libraries etc. I don't know how much there ison your topic. I've warmed a baby in the dead of winter (I arrived a little after the birth) and it was so cold, the mother was exhausted. I'm blessed with a G-cup. Tucked bub under the breast...warm as toast! Loved that skin to skin contact with my own babes. Excellent bonding. Not very scientific, but valid to me. I wish you success, Aviva - Original Message - From: allison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:10 PM Hi list, just wondering if anyone has any resources on where i may access qualitative research done on womens experiences of skin to skin contact immediately after birth.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fdiu at 39 weeks
Dear Jan If you are looking for external support networks for this woman, SANDS are THE best and most appropriate resource for this woman. Their network has been designed specifically for women with this type of loss, SIDS are starting to dabble in all types of child loss and although they can do a great deal for parents who lose infants to SIDS, I doubt their effectiveness in this situation. SANDS councellors (who have all experienced similar loss) are able to be with this woman and her family for as long as they need them. They in fact prefer to come in prior to birth in this situation as this assists in the establishment of the support network which will be so important afterwards as the family works its way through the grief process. If you are looking for contacts in the south eastern suburbs please give me a call Regards Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] mouth tears
Another possibility although unlikely could this babe have been very deep in the pelvis (maybe a face presentation) and an attendant attempted a cervical stretch but had actually been inside the babes mouth Pretty poor practise it this is the case but remotely possible. Your email does not state if this C/S was after labour had started Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: kezza07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] mouth tears Intriguing! What was the baby's position...I'm visualizing DOP and a low segment uterine incision that went too deep?? Is this possible? Kez x henk / eliza merbis wrote: Hi All,I am a newly registered midwife and love all the messages everyone sends to each other. It's like having priveleged information at my fingertips when many questions I have, have not been answered in the past!Anyway, I was at a C/S recently and the baby was pulled out with forceps (quite a difficult delivery). It went straight over to the resus trolley for O2 and suction and we noticed bilteral tears at each corner of the mouth. Has anyone ever come across this before? They were quite deep and almost looked as though they had been purposely cut (not that I am for a minute implying this). Everyone was baffled - the paed, the consultant, even the head of Obstetrics saying she had never seen it before. They even had a paed come over from the Children's to try to come up with an answer.???Eliza MerbisP.S. The baby's jaw was quite rigid and stiff if that helps at all!!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Antenatal education training
Dear Di Have you contacted the Royal Womens Hospital, Melb, Childbirth Education Department?? or I can put in contact with NACE (National Association of Childbirth Educators) Vic Branch. Both of these organisations run childbirth educator training workshops for beginner educators which may fit your agenda Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Di Felsbourg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Antenatal education training Hi to all the list...am enjoying reading the many varied topics on the ozmid list now have a query to anyone out there who may be able to assist I ( quite a few of my fellow student midwives) require a workshop or course on the topic of 'learning how to conduct antenatal education/classes'. Yes...these courses are available but are either not 'fit' as an elective subject due to number of hours OR are far to long indepth for what we require as an elective subject. Ideally, the workshop would consist of approximately 40 hours of theory with associated assesment tasks in the way assignmentswhich could be assessed and graded and just to make this request a bit more of a challenge would have to be conducted in Melbourne :) Would very much appreciate any help with this request Thanks.Di Felsbourg MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: prem care
Dear Jan I havesome infowhich may help to fill in the big picture so that you and your client can work through this problem. Most SCN will give parents the info not to expect to be able to take their babe home until his feeding reflexes are fully developed, and that this may take up until his 'due date'. However if this babe is now 35 weeks he may well be developing his feeding reflexes- some babes born at 35 weeks thrive from birth According to current feeding regimes his "quota" will be either 46 or 56 mls every 3 hours. He will be offered this amount at 3 hourly intervals not because it is when he is ready for a feed but because it is in accordance with feeding regimes suitable for most infants at this stage. Some will wake for feeds but many will not and will only take a small feed which may or may not be enough to sustain healthy development. If he is alert enough to take the breast for at least 10 minutes and milk transfer is audible during feeding why are staff gavaging pc the bf? Perhaps offer this milk via spoon or cup to appetite ie till the babe goes to sleep Consider offering all feeds other than bf via cup or spoon- sure it may take a little longer but will not cause nipple confusion in a small preterm infant who is just starting to learn how to suckle. Nipple confusion is never predictable but it is easier to prevent by not offering alternative nipples. This will also establish whether or not this infant is going to become exhausted with self feeding- if he is able to stay awake long enough to take his 'quota' he is probably ready to bf all day every day in his own home. Is it possible for the mother to feed more than once per day? If the babe is able to take 3-4 breast feeds in a row without tiring he can probably managebf all day, again in his own home. Nursery staff will have concerns over continuedhealth and development and unfortunately this can only be 'measured' by weight gains but needs to be considered in line with feeding performances and other indicators of wellness eg sleeping/wakefulness patterns. Are there any staff who will listen to a feeding plan that you could develop together (mother/midwife/scn staff) which could be tried for a day or two, measured and then an agreement to send babe home? Hope this helps your client Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
RE: Strep B
Dear Jo Infants who are compromised with Strep B will present withsigns of infection. These are a collection of symptoms which will lead carers to seek intervention and treatment based on 1. symptoms and 2. results of cultures. As with all infections there will be reactions that are mild to severe- everyone is different.In the first 24 hours a babe will usually present with an elevated temperature ( above 37 C, over a period of several hours, despite minimalclothing) it may also display a lack of interest in feeding, drowy and sleeping for long periods of time or it may be irritable when roused and difficult to settle. In conjunction with an elevated temperature these babes will usually have an elevated respiratory rate but no change in their oxygen requirements and may have an elevated pulse rate.This iswithin the first 24 hours. The condition of a babe who is born with infection will continue to deteriorate within this time frame and medical assistance will be called for . Depending on the site of infection (and severity) other specific symptoms will develop and it is common to offer broad spectrum prophylactic antibiotics whilst waiting for cultures to return as they may take 48 hours. Not all babes who succumb to Strep B will show symptoms within the first 24 hours, others will acquire Strep B on their way through the birth canal and will develop symptoms up to 48 hours after birth- the same symptoms just in a different time frame. These infants are often easier to identify as by that time most babes are alert and wakeful for feeds by then so a change in behaviour is easier to see. The elevated temperature is probably your best marker that there may be a problem. Hope this info is useful Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
Re: can anyone offer any suggestions?
Dear Jo IF this is truly a requirement of the immigration department (and I guess to reduce the spread of TB it probably is) a chest XR can be conducted without too much risk to the fetus if the mother wears a lead apron over her abdomen. This preventsradiation penetration. XRays are very specific and the radiation field is narrowedto an area. A chest XR at 24 weeks (6 months) with a lead apron over the abdomen will protect the developing fetus, enable to mother to have her Chest XR and therefore, travel on to OZ for the birth of her infant Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: can anyone offer any suggestions? Hi wonderful listers, we received this via the CARES web site and thought some one might know what these people could dosounds like red tape! (personally I wonder why thy want to come to cs capital?! Sorry, long day and feeling vindictive!) cheers Jo Hi Ladies I do not know if you can help me but I am a New Zealander living in Asia and we want to come to Adelaide for the birth of our first child. My partner is presently 6 months pregnant. The problem we face is a "Catch 22" situation with the Australian Immigration Dept visa requirements. If my partner is to stay for more than 3 months, and we were thinking of coming down 2 months before the birth and staying for 2-3 months after, she is required to have a chest X Ray as a pre condition of a visa. As a pregnant woman 0f course she cannot be X rayed. We are at our wits end trying to find a way around this.could you help us in any way, have you heard of other people from overseas coming to Australia to give birth. I would be really grateful if you could help us in any way with this problem. Regards Ira and Eliot Sanft Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8365 7059birth with trust, faith love...
RE: Strep B
Dear Jo I am always interested in what I see as the hysteria that surrounds the Strep B debate. I work in a private hospital and the women here are all under the care of their own Dr. The hospital itself does not have a policy regrading treatment of strep B as each Dr has trained under a different system. They keep up to date and are aware of current treatment options practised at the public hospitals in surrounding suburbs. I trained in a public system which treated all women who were positive with antibiotics in labour and washorrified the first time I saw a Dr ignore this "rule". That was many years ago. Some Dr's still treat known Strep B women in labour this way, most do not. We watch the infant closely and treat the infant, if an infant is affected they will usually develop symptoms of illness within the first 24 hours. I have not seen many babes who succumb to Strep B infections in the last 20 years and of these, many of the mothers have been of unknown status at birth as most of the Dr's do not subject women to vag swabs in pregnancy. I am not trying to minimise the risks which Strep B will bring to some infants, but I personally think that this risk is overated for the majority of women and their babes, and the option which we follow is a safe alternative to intervening in pregnancy and labour Regards Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
IMD
Dear List Can anyone tell me what this years ICM or ACMI, IMD theme is Cant seem to locate anything for 2002on either of their websites Thanks Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
RE B MID
Congratulations Tina. I cant wait till you start shaking up all those tutors and your fellow students as you teach them so much about Midwifery. It is from students like yourself that the passion for true Midwifery will flow and really ignite the (time for a change) fires that are starting to smoulder around the country Well done on your achievements so far Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
RE: Hmburgers
Thanks Allison I'll be off to the reject shop first thing tomorrow to see what is in our local store.the hamburger thing! .Terri Shilling uses a giant soft toy hamburger to demonstrate breastfeeding attachment. The gist of the presentation revolves around - facing the food - changing the shape of the food source to match the mouth - opening the mouth wide to accept food - aiming the food towards to the roof of the mouth Simple but effective analogy used in childbirth education Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
Newborn footprints
Dear List I am curious if anyone has experience with newborn footprinting. I understand that those who practise this use a standard inkpad. Is this a common practise or a have I just stumbled across a lone practise? Does anyone see any potential allergens created through use of the ink?? Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
Seeking Bali Midwife
Dear List One of theparticipants in my recent antenatal education workshop is seeking Midwife contacts.She will be birthing in Melbourne but lives in Bali and plans to return there with her new babe very shortly after the birth. She is seeking Midwife contacts and especially IBCLC contacts in Bali. If you know of anyone who can help please contact me Regards Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
