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RE: [ozmidwifery] Twins Vaginal Birth - Names Please...

2006-12-21 Thread Kristin Beckedahl

These lists that are collating (eg. waterbirths and Breech VB) are a wonderful resource.  Riding on Kelly's ideas for perhaps a list of Obs/Hosp/MW that support  twins VB...could be useful too...?
 

 


From: "Kelly Zantey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:23:44 +1100








Yes please!!! If you can include state/suburb and phone number please J
 

Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au
Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby
BellyBelly Birth Support




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa BarrettSent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:09 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...
 

Do you want midwives Kelly?

 

I attend them.  

 

Lisa Barrett


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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:18 AM

Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal Breech Birth - Names Please...

 
I am compiling a list of Obs/carers who will support a woman for vaginal breech birth as I am seeing more breech women pop up and think they have no choice, booked in for caesars at 37-38wks. So if I can at least help them find a supportive carer, it makes it a heck of a lot easier to accept other info ;)
 
So if you can please let me know if you have names of anyone doing vaginal breech birth around Australia, I am going to collate them. Thanks!
 
Ps. I already have Lionel Steinberg (attended a great breech birth a couple of weeks ago with him as carer), Guy Skinner and David Freidin in Melbourne, would love stacks more.
 
Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] twins labour/birth

2006-10-31 Thread Kristin Beckedahl

Thanks to all for your reponses.  I shall digest and relay this information 'gently' to the CBE couple I have.  
Already (since doing the course) they have changed Obst and also hospitals, plus are also arranging a doula.  
You are all right in saying there are no guarantees and it will come down to the day, and especially Twin 2.  But in saying that I am a firm believer in the effort to communicate and perhaps negiotate with caregivers as much as possible, at least that way (regardless of the outcome) they feel they have given it their best shot and taken the opportunity to make informed choices around the birththis may lessen the 'what if's." a little later perhaps?
Cheers,
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Re: [ozmidwifery] twins labour/birth

2006-10-31 Thread Susan Cudlipp




Hi Kristen
Yes you can do EFM for twins. Most machines will 
record 2 heartbeats,  commonly a scalp electrode is placed on twin 1 and 
external monitor on twin 2.
How long between twins?  In hospital 
situations it is usual to see fairly rapid delivery (extraction) of twin 2 after 
no. 1 usually only a few minutes- Obs seem to be very uncomfortable with waiting 
:-)
It is usually baby, baby then both placentae 
together - there should be no attempt to deliver the placenta by CCT until both 
babies are born, and if physiological 3rd stage happening the placentae would 
normally come together after both bubs. They are often fused or 
joined.
I have never seen ECV used for twin 2 - most 
obs will reach in and perform a breech extraction - i.e. grasp a leg - without 
waiting to see if bub is going to descend head or bum first.  The 
attendant should palpate the abdomen to ascertain the lie of twin 2 following 
first birth.
In hospital twin births the woman would be given 
epidural this is mainly to allow for 'manipulation' of twin 2.
 
Hope this helps - this is not normal physiological 
birth of twins but rather 'normal' hospital management - if they 'allow' vaginal 
birth in the first place!  And I cannot imagine any ob of my long 
aquaintance 'allowing' physiological 3rd stage with twins :-)
 
Justines twin birth story - now there's an entirely 
different matter - tell her Justine!
Sue

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  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:57 
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  Subject: [ozmidwifery] twins 
  labour/birth
  
  
  I have a couple of questions re 
  twins:
  
Can you do EFM with twins ?  
Or are they usually monitored with the doppler? 
How long is is typically between twins birth? 
Is it usually baby-placenta, baby-placenta or can it be 
baby-baby-placenta-placenta? 
If ECV is needed to help Twin 2 - does the mother need 
any medication for this?
  Big thanks,
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Re: [ozmidwifery] twins labour/birth

2006-10-31 Thread Cate Tischler

Kristin,

I've only seen a dvd of a homebirth of twins..there was a good gap between 
twin 1 and 2.  From memory around 40 minutes (but perhaps longer) second twin 
was breech and took atleast 15 minutes to be born once her body was out.  It 
was a waterbirth.
I can't imagine these time's being 'acceptable' in hospital!  Infact i know 
i've heard horror stories where ob's have intervened to hasten twin 2's birth 
with dire ramifications.

The dvd is a good one and they sell it through ICSM or the centre for human 
transformation if you're interested.

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[ozmidwifery] twins labour/birth

2006-10-30 Thread Kristin Beckedahl

I have a couple of questions re twins:

Can you do EFM with twins ?  Or are they usually monitored with the doppler?
How long is is typically between twins birth?
Is it usually baby-placenta, baby-placenta or can it be baby-baby-placenta-placenta?
If ECV is needed to help Twin 2 - does the mother need any medication for this?
Big thanks,
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins

2006-09-19 Thread Lynne Staff




Hi Kirsten
I run a Twice Blessed session on a needs basis and 
have a session outline and a handout that I give to women if that would 
help.
Regards, Lynne

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  From: 
  Kristin 
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:14 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Twins
  
  
  Hi all,
  I'm a CBE and have had a call from a 
  lady with twins looking to attend the course I'm running.  Seeing I've 
  never had much to do with twins (preg, birth or babycare) I was hoping 
  some of you could shed some light on some important points or issues that I 
  could pass onto her.  
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[ozmidwifery] Twins

2006-09-18 Thread Kristin Beckedahl

Hi all,
I'm a CBE and have had a call from a lady with twins looking to attend the course I'm running.  Seeing I've never had much to do with twins (preg, birth or babycare) I was hoping some of you could shed some light on some important points or issues that I could pass onto her.  
Thanks so much,
Kristin

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Re: [ozmidwifery] twins at home

2004-01-31 Thread jayne




Wonderful, strong woman!  Good on 
her!
 
Jayne
 
 

   
  
  Just had to tell you about an amazing woman who 
  birthed her twins at home in QLD yesterday evening. Fantastic! She is 
  incredible. Strong labour for maybe 2 hours, no pushing to speak of for twin 
  1, twin 2 born 40 mins later - a bit harder as she had her hand coming first. 
  Placenta came 20 mins later, blood loss 700 mls. Twin 1 a boy 3400g, twin 2 a 
  girl 3500. She had had her other 2 children at home and saw no reason not to 
  with these 2, so organised 2 midwives. Older children watched twin 1 but not 
  interested in twin 2. Had a friend from across the road helping who was just 
  in her element and had not seen a birth apart from her own - she was stoked. 
  Leigh

Just had to tell you about an amazing woman who
birthed her twins at home in QLD yesterday evening. Fantastic! She is
incredible. Strong labour for maybe 2 hours, no pushing to speak of for twin 1,
twin 2 born 40 mins later - a bit harder as she had her hand coming first.
Placenta came 20 mins later, blood loss 700 mls. Twin 1 a boy 3400g, twin 2 a
girl 3500. She had had her other 2 children at home and saw no reason not to
with these 2, so organised 2 midwives. Older children watched twin 1 but not
interested in twin 2. Had a friend from across the road helping who was just in
her element and had not seen a birth apart from her own - she was stoked.
Leigh

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From:
Mary
Murphy
To: list
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:57
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] PPH

From Midwifery Today E-News: At the
beginning of my practice as a midwife, we had a homebirth client who was
expecting her fourth baby. She had hemorrhaged badly after each of her prior
hospital births. I called [midwife/herbalist] Lisa Goldstein and asked her,
expecting a negative answer, if there was anything we could suggest so this
woman would not bleed at her homebirth. Lisa's one-word answer: "Alfalfa."
Alfalfa's roots go extremely deep into the soil; it contains every vitamin
and mineral known to man; and it is a good source of vitamin K, a natural
blood clotter. The mom began to take alfalfa religiously and had completely
normal—scant even—bleeding postpartum (she had a wonderful homebirth!).
Since then I have learned quite a bit more about avoiding postpartum heavy
blood loss. During the past 11 years, it has been extremely rare for a client
of mine to bleed seriously. Most of my clients choose to try the following
suggestions, and nearly all have had minimal, normal bleeding. I keep
medications on hand but throw them out and replace them, unused.
Here is the crux of what we do:

Check the mom's hemoglobin at 28 weeks and again at 36 weeks; use
natural means to help her avoid anemia.
Recommend an excellent multiple vitamin from NF formulas (available
through birth supply firms), Spectrum 2C, at the full 8-per-day dose,
throughout pregnancy. The number of capsules seems large, but the beneficial
minerals, etc., are bulky. (many prenatals simply don't supply much in their
one-a-day form).
Require that women take alfalfa, 8–12 tablets per day, any brand.
For other reasons, especially the formation of the baby's brain, I
recommend taking fish oils (4 capsules per day) or vegetarian DHA capsules.

It is a lot of pills, but think of it as the nutrients your food is
missing. I suggest taking half of them in the morning and half in the evening.
Bagging one month's worth in small ziplocks makes it easier. Keep them where
you will remember to take them (e.g., where you brush your teeth).
I have been able to compare my methods with those of other caregivers
because I also worked in a birth center and assisted other midwives whose
clients have not had the benefit of these protective components. I have seen
some serious bleeding in women who don't use these methods. Even then, it is
usually stopped with herbs. My favorite is 30 drops (three droppersful) of
Lady's Mantle tincture, which stops bleeding "right now"! The Web site, www.gentlebirth.org/archives/,
gives other midwives' suggestions.
I assume you will eat healthy food and take a good brisk walk (30–45
minutes) each day. It would be great if you found someone with a calmer
approach to placenta birthing!
— Julie Martin, CPM, NHCM

[ozmidwifery] twins at home

2004-01-30 Thread Leigh Evans

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Subject: [ozmidwifery] PPH

Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question

2003-12-11 Thread Rob and Claire Leslie-Carter

Dear Diane,

I don't know if anecdotal evidence is what you are after, but my two friends 
who have had twins have both been post term.  One was very angry after the 
event at being "actively managed", and the other had a completely natural 
birth.  The first was with the NHS (UK) and led by an ob, the second had an 
independent midwife who had very good relations with the hospital.  
Apparently when they got to hospital (which was very late she laboured 
mostly in her kitchen) the staff were itching to get into the room, but the 
midwife would only allow one other midwife into the room and told everyone 
else to stay outside.

The other part about the weight of the babies must be questioned as the 
ultrasound is remarkably inaccurate at guessing weight of babies, isn't it?

There is a good story on www.homebirth.org.uk in the stories section written 
by Emma Barker, although it is a uk story a lot of it looks the same kind of 
thing as here, and certainly sounds the same sort of thing that your client 
is going through.

Hope this helps,

Claire Saxby


From: "Diane Gardner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:07:56 +1100
Hi guys,

I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple
again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see their 
Ob
and he discussed the birth with them.

1.  He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she is
in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct or
an Ob's imagination gone wild.
2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at
4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly.
3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage are
already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz  (she has 6 weeks
to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is really
programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they visit
him.
How much of this is truth and how much is B.S

This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The first
had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country hospital.
Many thanks
Diane Gardner


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question

2003-12-11 Thread Pinky McKay

Hi Dianne,
I'm not sure whther it could help, but my book Parenting By Heart has a
beautiful twins birth story(plus the awful lead up) - mum (a GP) had her
first baby at a birth centre and was desperately upset to discover that risk
management for twins (her next pregnancy) was an epidural and forceps. Her
partner was studying obstetrics at the time and she had called every ob in
Melbourne hearing pretty much the same story. By mid pregnancy she couldnt
stop crying she was so upset, then luckily discovered Bruce
Sutherland -chose her own midwife and ended up with a natural birth,
acupuncture administered by hubby for pain relief.

Its a lovely first person story that may ring some bells and help inspire a
bit of confidence to your client - she already has the midwife! Perhaps
because both these parents are doctors themselves it may help her see that
all "medical" people dont necessarily take a "medical approach and if she
feels she would like to speak with this mum I am sure she would be happy to
offer support..

Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

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From: "Sue Cookson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question


> It certainly sounds like the ob is rubbing his hands together waiting for
> his c/section fee!! Probably by his management, his twins do arrive in 4
> hours, hauled out or cut out.
>
> I've been around probably 6 sets of twins in my time, and also have John
> Stevenson's data on 12 sets he was involved with - mostly all at home. The
> labours are as unpredictable and unique as any labour is, but there is a
bit
> of a pattern to the time between the births of the two. In John's 12 sets,
> the majority of second babies arrived within 20 minutes of the first. An
> hour later was the next usual time between, and then there were a few
> further apart than that. In one of the sets I was around, the babies were
> born 23 hours apart!!
>
> As far as size of babies and length of pregnancy goes, there is the usual
> variation, with quite a number of twins arriving 3 weeks early, but also
> some going over term. The first set I was privileged to attend were born
at
> 42 weeks, and were 7lb 2oz and 8lb 1oz. John's sets had similar ranges.
>
> Sounds like this poor woman will need heaps of work to balance her fears
> after each visit to the ob. Better still, she should ditch him altogether
or
> he will continue to undermine her trust and faith in herself totally. Is
she
> hoping to birth them normally?
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sue
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple
> > again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see
their Ob
> > and he discussed the birth with them.
> >
> > 1.  He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she
is
> > in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct
or
> > an Ob's imagination gone wild.
> >
> > 2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at
> > 4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly.
> >
> > 3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage
are
> > already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz  (she has 6 weeks
> > to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is
really
> > programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they
visit
> > him.
> >
> > How much of this is truth and how much is B.S
> >
> > This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The
first
> > had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country
hospital.
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Diane Gardner
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question

2003-12-11 Thread Sue Cookson

It certainly sounds like the ob is rubbing his hands together waiting for
his c/section fee!! Probably by his management, his twins do arrive in 4
hours, hauled out or cut out.

I've been around probably 6 sets of twins in my time, and also have John
Stevenson's data on 12 sets he was involved with - mostly all at home. The
labours are as unpredictable and unique as any labour is, but there is a bit
of a pattern to the time between the births of the two. In John's 12 sets,
the majority of second babies arrived within 20 minutes of the first. An
hour later was the next usual time between, and then there were a few
further apart than that. In one of the sets I was around, the babies were
born 23 hours apart!!

As far as size of babies and length of pregnancy goes, there is the usual
variation, with quite a number of twins arriving 3 weeks early, but also
some going over term. The first set I was privileged to attend were born at
42 weeks, and were 7lb 2oz and 8lb 1oz. John's sets had similar ranges.

Sounds like this poor woman will need heaps of work to balance her fears
after each visit to the ob. Better still, she should ditch him altogether or
he will continue to undermine her trust and faith in herself totally. Is she
hoping to birth them normally?

Hope this helps,
Sue

> Hi guys,
> 
> I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple
> again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see their Ob
> and he discussed the birth with them.
> 
> 1.  He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she is
> in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct or
> an Ob's imagination gone wild.
> 
> 2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at
> 4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly.
> 
> 3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage are
> already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz  (she has 6 weeks
> to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is really
> programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they visit
> him.
> 
> How much of this is truth and how much is B.S
> 
> This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The first
> had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country hospital.
> 
> Many thanks
> Diane Gardner
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question

2003-12-11 Thread Mary Murphy

All sounds like advance preparation for a C/S to me.  MM

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Twins question

2003-12-11 Thread Diane Gardner

Hi guys,

I need to ask your advice again if you don't mind. I saw my twins couple
again tonight and the mum was very tense. They had just gone to see their Ob
and he discussed the birth with them.

1.  He has told them that they must head for the hospital as soon as she is
in labour as twins usually arrive in around 4 hours Is this correct or
an Ob's imagination gone wild.

2. He also told her that she would be given an epidural when she was at
4cms and forceps would be used to deliver both babies quickly.

3. He said she would be induced early because the babies at this stage are
already bigger than average size, he quoted 5lb 11oz  (she has 6 weeks
to go) and asked them to think about a date to be delivered. He is really
programming in an early arrival for them and says it every time they visit
him.

How much of this is truth and how much is B.S

This is only my 2nd twins couple but boy am I learning quickly. The first
had no probs whatsoever but then they were delivered in a country hospital.

Many thanks
Diane Gardner




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