Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth I'm not very good at blowing my own trumpet, but it is the latest Australian book on pregnancy and birth... Having a Baby. The essential Australian to pregnancy and birth. It is sold by Birth International. Carol Fallowsph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526, website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi Nat, Another really empowering book is "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth" if you haven't read it yet and "Baby Catcher" by Peggy Vincent. Päivi
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Hi Nat,When I was doing my mid training my preceptor and I used to talk about the 'obstetric demons' that sometimes come and sit on your shoulder!! But if you look into the research on homebirth you will find that in healthy women, the outcomes are comparable or better than hospital birth. As others have said, it's where you feel most comfortable that counts. I recently had an email from Sarah Buckley in which she said the same thing. wherever the woman chooses to birth that makes her feel the safest will promote endorphin release, normal labour etc.All the bestMichelle"Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Birthcentre/ homebirthHi, I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminatedin the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts. I washonoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybeI should go that way, as there is back-up. I would like some professional opinions please. Cheers Nat Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Music: Check out the gig guide for live music in your area
RE: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth Good grief! I am sure there are a few people who think that just one of me is too many, but thank you for the sentiment. See you all next weekend at the HBA conference. mm From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 1:14 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth We make our own reality, so prepare for this birth by using techniques which calm the mind and tone the body. Employ a midwife you trust and then get on with it. All the best, MM Dear Mary I am putting in an order for 5000 clones of you right now!!! We certainly do make our own reality. Looking forward to seeing you in Geelong, you are a very special woman. JC
Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi Nat, Another really empowering book is "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth" if you haven't read it yet and "Baby Catcher" by Peggy Vincent. Päivi
RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Have you stopped driving a car, or being a passenger? Awful things do happen, and sometimes they aren't predictable. Even with hospital and birth centre births things happen. You will see awful things in hospital, a lot due to mismanagement and interventions. Ponder deeply, pray and talk. Maureen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Michelle WindsorSent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 5:34 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi Nat, When I was doing my mid training my preceptor and I used to talk about the 'obstetric demons' that sometimes come and sit on your shoulder!! But if you look into the research on homebirth you will find that in healthy women, the outcomes are comparable or better than hospital birth. As others have said, it's where you feel most comfortable that counts. I recently had an email from Sarah Buckley in which she said the same thing. wherever the woman chooses to birth that makes her feel the safest will promote endorphin release, normal labour etc. All the best Michelle"Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi, I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminatedin the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts. I washonoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybeI should go that way, as there is back-up. I would like some professional opinions please. Cheers Nat Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Music: Check out the gig guide for live music in your area
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
it is a tough one Nat. I think you have to go with what feels right for you. I recently had a woman rupture her uterus during labour VBAC. We were in hospital as she was a planned hospital birth. It has been quite traumatic all around ...in my private practice I have had many VBACs and support evidence based practice. Many women i have cared for have chosen hb as a way of achieving a positive experience after a traumatic one. Do I now base my practice on fear or on evidence? This has been a traumatic and challenging time for me and I am looking forward to the hb conference to re focus, re energise and re colour my midwifery self. I know I would rather never work again than work from a fear paradigm. The reality of the safety of homebirth, VBAC or what ever hasn't changed. We know tragic and unexpected things can happen during birth...it is rare yet some of us have been there see the pain and suffering that goes with an unexpected traumatic outcome. I feel passionately that we cannot base our practice on that however, we can only do what we do best, we will never stop tragic events nor the fear, stress and trauma that goes with them. however if all women birthed in hospital or all women had sections we would still get unexpected tragedies and I believe ultimately more so. Responsibility to self or others is an extraordinarily challenging thing especially in these types of situations. I will not ( I truly truly hope) change what i do or trust women and their ability less...I will continue to work independently and support women as i have always done because it is more safe than it isn't. Birth in your own home with your own chosen midwife and support people remains a very wonderful thing. If you choose to birth in hospital for the back up option then do what feels good for you, but be aware and educated and try to let go of being afraid or of the what if fear. You can trust in yourself and your body and listen to where you feel you need to be. I believe that the woman I cared for instinctively ended up where she needed to be, so all of the discussion like lucky she wasn't at home Belinda or doesn't that show how dangerous it could be etctetra is meaningless because she was where she needed to be and that still didn't prevent her uterus rupturing. Immerse yourself in happiness and joyful stories about birth and babies, like spiritual midwifery or birthing from within. Good luck Belinda Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001 wrote: *From:* Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001 *Sent:* Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PM *To:* OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi, I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminated in the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts. I was honoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybe I should go that way, as there is back-up. I would like some professional opinions please. Cheers Nat No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 22/06/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Nat one birth is not a reason to change from the gold standard of midwifery care (unless the CP you've chosen is substandard) to the lottery which exists in institutions. What your friend experienced was good STAFF not good SYSTEM or model of care. Sounds like good debriefing is going to benefit you a lot more than choosing a comparatively poor way to birth over hb. There is back up for hbs, it's called hospital TF and it's a lot easier to go into one when you need it than to walk away from one that you don't need. Most healthy women don't need hospitals. Get some really good debriefing and support and have your own beautiful birth which other births have no bearing on! You can't control what happens in birth but you can control what happens in your home. Most PPH occur in hospitals so it's not really a way to avoid it, is it? Some deep thought about why this has thrown you off balance would be good, as would a frank discussion with your MW about her ways of dealing with the kinds of complications you saw. Your own beliefs around your body and birthing potential seem to have been shaken by these sad events and it would be a shame to not work through them and use them to enhance both your private life and your professional life. The woman in question is going to need a LOT of postbirth support, for example. You may find "Birthing from within" helpful to you while you work through your issues. It's not surprising to be really rocked by events you're describing, but it's not a reason in and of itself to step into an institution which simply cannot provide you with the kind of care a MW in your home can. Best wishes with your processing, please feel free to come along to Joyous Birth and chat there. Lots of MWs and many consumers who've been on similar journeys to yours. J
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Hi Nat I am a mid student also and a doula It sounds like some (or some more) debriefing would be a good idea? Looking at what your fears are. What are the possibilities of those things? where are they more likely to occur? Have you got anyone experienced with this type of work who can support you to work through this? Depending on where you are there may be some suggestions for you. What caused the "horrific labour" and complications, was it a home birth or a hospital birth? Very quickly as it is late. e.g of my train of thought atm.You are more likely to have a c-section by being in a birth centre or hospital. With c-sections you are more likely to end up with a hysterectomy etc. Depending on your homebirth midwifeand other factors such as how far is the nearest hospital, transfer rates are still MUCH lower in homebirth (something like 3%-15%) . Your chances of having a beautiful uninterfered with birth are much better at home. Things occasionally go pear shaped in birth wherever you are, home or hospital. Would you really be safer in hospital? But it really comes down to how YOU FEEL Warm regards Honey - Original Message - From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001 To: OZmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi, I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminatedin the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts. I washonoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybeI should go that way, as there is back-up. I would like some professional opinions please. Cheers Nat
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Did you read Kath's story that I submitted to the list last week. For every bad birth yo have attended I bet there have been more good ones. Most midwives will not see a woman who requires a hysterectomy following birth in their whole careers let alone see more than one in one year so you have seen yours. Keep it in perspective where it belongs, learn from the experience but don't allow the fear to consume you as you also know how destructive this can be in labour. You will be at some great births between now and when you need to make a definite decision about place of birth although you may not make the decision until you are in labour. The most important decision is to choose your caregiver carefully and let your feelings about all this evolve with timeGood luckAndrea QOn 23/06/2006, at 9:11 PM, Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001 wrote: From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Birthcentre/ homebirth Hi, I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminated in the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts. I was honoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybe I should go that way, as there is back-up. I would like some professional opinions please. Cheers Nat
Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth We make our own reality, so prepare for this birth by using techniques which calm the mind and tone the body. Employ a midwife you trust and then get on with it. All the best, MM Dear Mary I am putting in an order for 5000 clones of you right now!!! We certainly do make our own reality. Looking forward to seeing you in Geelong, you are a very special woman. JC
