GPS (Sendero) and Toshiba Notebook

2008-02-02 Thread JardataMailServicesBox
Hello List!

I have a Toshiba Notebook and have heard of a GPS system called Sendero.  Could 
a GPS system like that one be made to work on a Toshiba Notebook.  I have heard 
they work on systems such as the Pac Mate and Impowered PDS and other similar 
devices, but I don't have one of them, so I'd like to know if I could hook one 
of these devices to my notebook.  I currently use a wireless modeum for Verizon 
service on my notebook via a USB connection.  the device is less in size than a 
small remote control device.  If the GPS is such a thing, could I hook it to my 
notebook and install the software for it on the notebook and have it work.  

If this device can't properly be used for such a thing, is there a software 
solution to my needs?  Could I get a software program that could install on my 
notebook and have access to all of the maps and stuff that a GPS software 
program would have and have it work like my wireless modeum?  I have four USB 
ports so room is no object.  

Thanks for your time and help.


James Robinson

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re soundforge

2008-02-02 Thread brian parker
hi list, i am using soundforge seven. lately, i have come across a 
rather odd result in my recordings. i am using a a p h to record two 
tracks at once in soundforge. i then have to reverse one of them to 
save them. the problem is, that when i am feeding the a p h in to 
soundforge, and have it set for sterio, i can hear the tracks going 
in to separate speakers. when i want to save the tracks, i press tab, 
but instead of getting one track, i get both tracks coming out of one 
speaker. if i press tab again, i get both tracks coming out of the 
other speaker. i can't work out what is the trouble. obviously, it 
isn't my lead, or i wouldn't hear the two tracks coming out of the 
speakers, one in to the left hand speaker and the other track in to 
the right speaker. if anyone has ever had this trouble, perhaps you 
found out the problem. i have been using this method of recording 
from the a p h for some time, ever since someone told me how to 
separate the tracks, using it satisfactorily. it is only lately, that 
i have run in to trouble. brian.


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Re: sound forge help

2008-02-02 Thread Curtis Delzer
I and O, are your friends where I is the start position of the highlight and 
O is the end. You can check to see if you've a section region highlighted 
by hitting the r command which will then prompt you to name the region, or 
if using a script in JFW, use it's command to tell you what is highlighted.

Curtis Delzer
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Hi guys,
Can somebody please email me off list and give me a step by step 
instruction on how to edit a basic wave file in sound forge? I'm not sure 
how to select, mark, listen back to the selection, and so forth.  I'm used 
to using fast edit where you place your markers down where you want them 
with an M, hit s for select, zoom in and out and cut wherever I need. 
Thanks for any help.
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RE: re soundforge

2008-02-02 Thread Ray's Home
Brian, as far as I recall, pressing tab in Sound Forge while focus is
on the wave editing window moves the cursor to left, right, and back
to two channel focus.  So, if you have a two channel file open you
should be moving between track one and the other track going in
reverse.

I cannot understand why you are pressing tab before saving the file
though.  Shouldn't that be control-s for regular saving, or alt-f a
for save as?  If you do that without pressing any other intervening
key the file should be saved in stereo if that's how the file was
recorded.



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Subject: re soundforge


hi list, i am using soundforge seven. lately, i have come across a
rather odd result in my recordings. i am using a a p h to record two
tracks at once in soundforge. i then have to reverse one of them to
save them. the problem is, that when i am feeding the a p h in to
soundforge, and have it set for sterio, i can hear the tracks going
in to separate speakers. when i want to save the tracks, i press tab,
but instead of getting one track, i get both tracks coming out of one
speaker. if i press tab again, i get both tracks coming out of the
other speaker. i can't work out what is the trouble. obviously, it
isn't my lead, or i wouldn't hear the two tracks coming out of the
speakers, one in to the left hand speaker and the other track in to
the right speaker. if anyone has ever had this trouble, perhaps you
found out the problem. i have been using this method of recording
from the a p h for some time, ever since someone told me how to
separate the tracks, using it satisfactorily. it is only lately, that
i have run in to trouble. brian.


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Recording Question

2008-02-02 Thread Kris Hickerson
Hi All,

I hope it's ok to ask this question on this list.

When you make a recording using the PlexTalk, when, where and how do you
give it a name?

Contact me offlist at:

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TIA.

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re soundforge

2008-02-02 Thread brian parker
hi ray, you have to press tab, in order to choose the channel 
that  you want to save. having  chosen  the channel, you want, you 
highlight it and send it to the clip board, you then do control e, 
then save the result. the point is, that when i tab, i junp from 
speaker to speaker but take both input channels with me. brian.


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some questions about foobar

2008-02-02 Thread Brett Boyer
Hey listers, I am finally ready to give up winamp for good. It's a piece of aol 
software that is loaded with crap I'll never use. I used foobar a year ago and 
was impressed with sound quality right out-of-the-box.
I looked around on the pc-audio archives and found quite a few posts but they 
were extremely old. So is foobar still a good program? Are there still set 
files available for window-eyes? Do you recommend something better? I do have 
vlc media for my DVD's but I don't think I want it as my main music player.
What do you think?
your help is much appreciated

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RE: Recording Question

2008-02-02 Thread John Sanfilippo
Hi,

I sometimes use a plexTalk, the first model, not the second. Think of it
like a cassette recorder: If you record a song, say, and just begin playing
the piano just after you press record, that's what you will hear when you
play back the tape from the very beginning. So, after you've initialized
your new recording file, I forget just how at this second, you press the
record key, once to get ready, a second time to actually record, and begin
reciting the title, unless you'd rather not announce the title for some
reason.

Now, if you mean, how do you give it a digital name, as in how do you name
the plextalk's files, basically, you don't. That is all handled by plexTalk.
It creates folders with names like,

Bookdir00
Bookdir01
Bookdir02

And inside each folder are one or more mp3 files and some management files.
The mp3 files have names like,

A1.mp3,
A2.mp3

What I would do, to be safe, is copy those a.mp3 files somewhere else,
leaving the original files untouched. Then go rename the copies to your
heart's content, keeping the mp3 extension, of course.

Hth,
Js



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Subject: Recording Question


Hi All,

I hope it's ok to ask this question on this list.

When you make a recording using the PlexTalk, when, where and how do you
give it a name?

Contact me offlist at:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

TIA.

Kris





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RE: re soundforge

2008-02-02 Thread Ray's Home
I've just tried separating out the individual tracks of a stereo
recording in Sound Forge 7.

I tabbed to the left hand track and found I could highlight the whole
of that one track by pressing control-shift-end.  Copied that to the
clipboard and did control-E as you are doing to copy the highlighted
track to a new window.  This worked fine, and I ended up with a mono
track containing just the one track.  Did the same for the lower,
righthand track, which also worked.

I found also that if you move focus to one track with tab and use
control-A the two tracks get highlighted and so these two get copied
to a new window.

So, I don't know if that helps, but isolation of one track seems to
work for me in SF 7.

Cheers,

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Subject: re soundforge


hi ray, you have to press tab, in order to choose the channel
that  you want to save. having  chosen  the channel, you want, you
highlight it and send it to the clip board, you then do control e,
then save the result. the point is, that when i tab, i junp from
speaker to speaker but take both input channels with me. brian.




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Re: Recording Question

2008-02-02 Thread Kris Hickerson
Thanks, John.

I have always just used the PlexTalk for listening, but have never tried 
recording with it.

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RE: re soundforge

2008-02-02 Thread Ray's Home
I've just tried separating out the individual tracks of a stereo
recording in Sound Forge 7.

I tabbed to the left hand track and found I could highlight the whole
of that one track by pressing control-shift-end.  Copied that to the
clipboard and did control-E as you are doing to copy the highlighted
track to a new window.  This worked fine, and I ended up with a mono
track containing just the one track.  Did the same for the lower,
righthand track, which also worked.

I found also that if you move focus to one track with tab and use
control-A the two tracks get highlighted and so these two get copied
to a new window.

So, I don't know if that helps, but isolation of one track seems to
work for me in SF 7.

Cheers,

From Ray
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-Original Message-
brian parker
Subject: re soundforge


hi ray, you have to press tab, in order to choose the channel
that  you want to save. having  chosen  the channel, you want, you
highlight it and send it to the clip board, you then do control e,
then save the result. the point is, that when i tab, i junp from
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Where can I find Olympis 40 manual

2008-02-02 Thread tickpub
Hi everyone, well, got the Oly 40 and because I don't have the liscense
as of yet, I cannot download the manual off the cd.
So I'm looking for the manual and I know its out there somewhere? Does
anyone know?

The pod casts do not cover everything in the menues and I need to know
what the heck certain things mean?
Take care
MMM
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Re: Where can I find Olympis 40 manual

2008-02-02 Thread Rick Harmon
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look in the documents section.

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Hi everyone, well, got the Oly 40 and because I don't have the liscense
as of yet, I cannot download the manual off the cd.
So I'm looking for the manual and I know its out there somewhere? Does
anyone know?

The pod casts do not cover everything in the menues and I need to know
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Re: Recording Question

2008-02-02 Thread DJ DOCTOR P
Hello Ladies and Gentle Men,
I don't have that peace of software and or a good idea on how to use it.
But I do know a thing or 2 about renaming files and folders.
Step 1. Hit your application key.
You will see or hear a submenu that says, context menu, properties, p.
Step 2. Hit your up arrow key just once.
You will see or here, rename, r.
Step 3. Hit your inter key and start typing the name that you want to call 
the file and or folder and hit the inter key, it's all done!
If you're renaming an MP3 file, type the name you wish to call the file, 
after that, type .MP3,  and press inter, and you're all done there too!
  John.
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Subject: RE: Recording Question


 Hi,

 I sometimes use a plexTalk, the first model, not the second. Think of it
 like a cassette recorder: If you record a song, say, and just begin 
 playing
 the piano just after you press record, that's what you will hear when you
 play back the tape from the very beginning. So, after you've initialized
 your new recording file, I forget just how at this second, you press the
 record key, once to get ready, a second time to actually record, and begin
 reciting the title, unless you'd rather not announce the title for some
 reason.

 Now, if you mean, how do you give it a digital name, as in how do you name
 the plextalk's files, basically, you don't. That is all handled by 
 plexTalk.
 It creates folders with names like,

 Bookdir00
 Bookdir01
 Bookdir02

 And inside each folder are one or more mp3 files and some management 
 files.
 The mp3 files have names like,

 A1.mp3,
 A2.mp3

 What I would do, to be safe, is copy those a.mp3 files somewhere else,
 leaving the original files untouched. Then go rename the copies to your
 heart's content, keeping the mp3 extension, of course.

 Hth,
 Js



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 Hi All,

 I hope it's ok to ask this question on this list.

 When you make a recording using the PlexTalk, when, where and how do you
 give it a name?

 Contact me offlist at:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 TIA.

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Re: Accessible mp3 tagging program

2008-02-02 Thread Steve Matzura
Two great taggers:
MP3/Tag Studio, by Magnus Brading
http://www.magnusbrading.com
$35 U.S.

MP3 Tag
http://www.mp3tag.de/en
Free
Handles lossless formats FLAC and APE, which Magnus's program does
not.

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:07:54 -, you wrote:

Does anhyone know of one. Most of my files are tagged, but I've noticed that 
since I've been using wmp11 library, there are a load that aren't. Ideally, a 
program that will bulk tag a directory.

Thanks,

Dave.

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Ripping Audio from MPEG and AVI

2008-02-02 Thread Steve Matzura
I found this fantastic and very accessible program, called River Past
Audio Converter, which will take audio from virtually anything and
encode it to virtually anything, as long as you have the appropriate
codecs to read or write the source and destination formats on your
system.  The demo will only convert the first two minutes of the file,
but that was enough to make me want it.  My only problem is I think
fifty dollars is a bit much for this. Has anyone any suggestion for
something that does the same thing that River Past does for maybe half
the price?

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Re: recording my voice

2008-02-02 Thread Steve Matzura
Hi, Auj:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:29:22 +, you wrote:

   I would like to make a recording of my voice; rather, a demo so I can 
 get 
some voiceover work.  What would be the best software program to use to 
make this recording, and then burn a cd for shopping my demo?

I'm going to assume you've invested heavily in a good--no, a very
good--microphone and front-end mixer or pre-amp.  Neuman not
necessary, but a good Electro-Voice microphone like the RE20 is what
you *really* want, especially if you *really* mean it about making
good recordings. It's all about the microphone.  The Schure SM57's or
'58's are good, too, but ya know what?  After being a confirmed Schure
fan for nearly 30 years, and loving my SM57's, I tried the Re20 and
was totally blown away by its very lifelike reproduction.  It gave my
Internet radio shows a whole new and much more likable sound, in my
unhumble opinion.  Audiotechnica makes nice microphones, too, but I've
also been an E-V fan for probably close to 40 years, since the old
676's were popular, and they've never let me down.  Cost a bit more,
but if you're real serious about this, that's where you should spend
your $$$.

Now, as for recordingware, if you're only interested in making short
voice-over-type recordings, look no further than good old Windows
Sound Recorder (Programs / Acessories / Entertainment).  No frills--no
features,either--just start it up, and start talking.  It also has a
time limit of either 30 or 60 seconds, I forget which.  The point is,
for what you want to do, it's perfect in every way--captures your
voice, costs you nothing.

Of course, if you're going to have to edit and produce your own
things, then we're talkin' several knotches up the scale.  Goldwave,
Sound Forge, CoolEdit, all good.  They all do essentially the same
things, but with different looks and feels.

To burn your CD, there are also lots of choices, all of which do the
same thing, but with different looks and feels.  Easy CDDA Extractor
is my personal fave, but lots of folks like CD Mate or Easy CD
Creator, or even Nero Burning ROM, which, at its current version and
level of sophistication, I think is way over the top for what you want
to do and what you need.  But it's something to graduate to. In the
end, it doesn't do anything to a CD that any of the aforementioned
programs do, it just offers other options (like DVD production) that
you haven't mentioned you need.  I'm a firm believer in focusing more
on useability and functionality (which aren't the same thing at all)
rather than bells and whistles I might (or might not) need down the
road.  OK, a little expandability is a good thing, sure, but why buy a
20-room house if I'm probably never going to have a large family?  OK,
so down the road you may wind up having wasted a little money on
having to buy the same thing twice, once with one set of extra
features and once with another, but sometimes that's the price one is
required to pay when one is feeling one's way into a new line.

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Re: Karaoke machine or software

2008-02-02 Thread Steve Matzura
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:34:51 -0500, you wrote:

I'm seeking a machine or software which is easy to use, accessible, and
able to somehow combine plain audio files with plain text files to
present song lyrics while the music plays. I'd rather not have to go
with special formats, but if something is around which is flexible and
good to use, I'll learn what I must to deal with it and get it going.

Never mind re-inventing the wheel, just go with the standard Karaoke
player, PKaraoke.  It's written in Python (whatever that is) and
handles the standard CDG files which are obtainable on the net or for
purchase.

If you really *REALLY* wanna go big big big-time, you can go for
Virtual DJ, which, in addition to playing Karaoke files, can support
two screens--one for the operator and one for the singer.  It's
expensive, though, but if you're going to be doing this for real and
often, it's well worth the price. Oh by the way, it also just so
happens to be the software of choice for just about everybody in the
DJ business these days. It scratches, uses time-coding records for
analog scratching, has looping and replay capabilities, all very nice,
and is supposedly the best karaoke player for those in the biz today.
http://www.virtualdj.com for a 20-day trial.  And it's *NOT* very
blind-user-friendly, but workable, if you're willing to work at it a
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RE: recording my voice

2008-02-02 Thread Ray's Home
Interesting post Steve, and I'm coming at this from your
recommmendation of the Electrovoice RE20.

Very good mic, and I believe Paul McCartney is a fan of it.  Just one
slight caution though:  its a pretty low output mic and, unless you've
a low noise pre-amp with plenty of gain, you're gonna have to get nice
up-n-close.  Then again, that's another of the virtues of the RE20;
it can stand a lot of close work without poppping and thumping, but
within limits.  Very nice natural tone or voicing to this mic.

I like a bit of acoustic or ambiance to my voice recordingand when
used further away, then the RE20 needs a good 60Db of gain or more in
the pre amps.  Lower end mixers don't cut it in this respect.

I've bought a couple off eBay where you can get them for quite a nice
price.

HTH.

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Subject: Re: recording my voice


Hi, Auj:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:29:22 +, you wrote:

   I would like to make a recording of my voice; rather, a demo so I
can get
some voiceover work.  What would be the best software program to use
to
make this recording, and then burn a cd for shopping my demo?

I'm going to assume you've invested heavily in a good--no, a very
good--microphone and front-end mixer or pre-amp.  Neuman not
necessary, but a good Electro-Voice microphone like the RE20 is what
you *really* want, especially if you *really* mean it about making
good recordings. It's all about the microphone.  The Schure SM57's or
'58's are good, too, but ya know what?  After being a confirmed Schure
fan for nearly 30 years, and loving my SM57's, I tried the Re20 and
was totally blown away by its very lifelike reproduction.  It gave my
Internet radio shows a whole new and much more likable sound, in my
unhumble opinion.  Audiotechnica makes nice microphones, too, but I've
also been an E-V fan for probably close to 40 years, since the old
676's were popular, and they've never let me down.  Cost a bit more,
but if you're real serious about this, that's where you should spend
your $$$.

Now, as for recordingware, if you're only interested in making short
voice-over-type recordings, look no further than good old Windows
Sound Recorder (Programs / Acessories / Entertainment).  No frills--no
features,either--just start it up, and start talking.  It also has a
time limit of either 30 or 60 seconds, I forget which.  The point is,
for what you want to do, it's perfect in every way--captures your
voice, costs you nothing.

Of course, if you're going to have to edit and produce your own
things, then we're talkin' several knotches up the scale.  Goldwave,
Sound Forge, CoolEdit, all good.  They all do essentially the same
things, but with different looks and feels.

To burn your CD, there are also lots of choices, all of which do the
same thing, but with different looks and feels.  Easy CDDA Extractor
is my personal fave, but lots of folks like CD Mate or Easy CD
Creator, or even Nero Burning ROM, which, at its current version and
level of sophistication, I think is way over the top for what you want
to do and what you need.  But it's something to graduate to. In the
end, it doesn't do anything to a CD that any of the aforementioned
programs do, it just offers other options (like DVD production) that
you haven't mentioned you need.  I'm a firm believer in focusing more
on useability and functionality (which aren't the same thing at all)
rather than bells and whistles I might (or might not) need down the
road.  OK, a little expandability is a good thing, sure, but why buy a
20-room house if I'm probably never going to have a large family?  OK,
so down the road you may wind up having wasted a little money on
having to buy the same thing twice, once with one set of extra
features and once with another, but sometimes that's the price one is
required to pay when one is feeling one's way into a new line.

Good luck, and let us know where we can download some samples.



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Re: some questions about foobar

2008-02-02 Thread Michael Lang
The current version, Foobar2000 version 0.95 doesn't offer shortcuts by
default anymore. You have to manually set them. For instance, if you
want to be able to press a shortcut for play, you have to set one up.
I'll stay with Winamp and delete the AOL stuff I don't need.

   *** Michael Lang ***

You wrote:

 Hey listers, I am finally ready to give up winamp for good. It's a piece of 
 aol software that is loaded with crap I'll never use. I used foobar a year 
 ago and was impressed with sound quality right
 out-of-the-box.
 I looked around on the pc-audio archives and found quite a few posts but they 
 were extremely old. So is foobar still a good program? Are there still set 
 files available for window-eyes? Do you
 recommend something better? I do have vlc media for my DVD's but I don't 
 think I want it as my main music player.
 What do you think?
 your help is much appreciated

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MMM Reply Re: Where can I find Olympis 40 manual

2008-02-02 Thread tickpub
Rick, thank you so much, that was great, saved me three hours of
scanning. 
You have a great site, I hope all the best for you and your work and hope
to contribute shortly.
I downloaded that file, unzipped it, brought it up in Dspeach, and turned
it into a mp3 file and now it is going to be on my zenstone to learn
with. Ain't technology great? I only wished they had it when I was
growing up, I could have been Billy Gates or more!  
Thanks again.

MMM

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Re: Ripping Audio from MPEG and AVI

2008-02-02 Thread Jani Kinnunen
Hi,

Switch Audio Converter from www.nch.com.au/switch does all that for free.

Jani

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I found this fantastic and very accessible program, called River Past
 Audio Converter, which will take audio from virtually anything and
 encode it to virtually anything, as long as you have the appropriate
 codecs to read or write the source and destination formats on your
 system.  The demo will only convert the first two minutes of the file,
 but that was enough to make me want it.  My only problem is I think
 fifty dollars is a bit much for this. Has anyone any suggestion for
 something that does the same thing that River Past does for maybe half
 the price?
 
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