Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hi there, I am also intrested in those plugs, and I'd like to hear how they sound like. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, Vacuum tube stereo receivers have been discontinued cense 1967. But however, there are still some integrated amplifiers on the market that uses tubes, but they are very costly. They are $5000 and up. But you can get a very low powered tube integrated amp from: www.tubedepot.com for about $200. I would like to see how the plug ins you spoke of works. I have Winamp 5.571 If you can, would you please send them to me? Thinks in advance for doing this for me. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo i can deffinitly agree with this one. btw for those of you who want that tube/balbe sound i can recomand a really need combo of vsts that can give this to you. you will need winamp, the vst bridge 1.16 and the two vsts i have but for a computer sulation in software it works great. but still wish there was a way to get the valve sound/tube sound with out having to use vsts to do so. on another note are there any recievers that can produce the tub/valve sounds like we have been disscussing? - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and nothing else! So whether it's in mono or stereo, out of the sub-woofer, you hear base..either way. Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Actually, I think I heard something about this on television not long ago. - Original Message - From: Norma A. Boge nab...@mchsi.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the Beatles albums is such a big deal. I can appreciate Sir George and Giles Martin producing, but wouldn't all this only really sound good if on vinyl? IMHO, there is music that isn't meant to be digitized Seems there are more albums being made available on vinyl. I figure this is due to boomers with disposable income wanting to hear music as they did in their youth. Just my 2 cents... Norma To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4737 (20100102) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4737 (20100102) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
John, Perhaps I shouldn't question an artifact you can check against, but the date makes no historical sense. Brian Wilson began formulating good vibrations some time during the Pet Sounds sessions. As an aside, you can hear stereo mixes of the rehearsals in the box set, The Pet Sounds Sessions. The Pet Sounds LP wasn't released until May of 1966, and good Vibrations came out several months later. No Beach Boys albums appeared in stereo up to that time because Brian Wilson was deaf in one ear and seems to have had complete control over production, which in every other way was a good thing. Surgery apparently restored some hearing in the deaf ear, and Friends, three albums later, came out in stereo. In the past two decade, stereo remixes of Beach Boys material at their height have appeared in drips and drabs, the best being on that Pet sounds Sessions box set, which includes a wonderful stereo remix of the album itself. Regarding the Beatles Stereo Set, something to keep in mind is that Capital's versions of the Beatles albums not only differed in content from those released in the UK, but the LPs were also, I believe, inferior in quality. The stereo set's Sergeant Pepper's is light years ahead of the US LP. I don't have the UK LP of that album. However, I have the UK Beetles for Sale LP, and it compares favorably with the stereo set version. Still, the stereo set is very well done, the sound is terrific, and the convenience of a CD undeniably surpasses that of an LP. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Ford, That isn't true. I have an old 12 inch copy of that song that was done in stereo. The date on this old record, is March 5, 1965. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Ford Blackwell blackwe...@ameritech.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Wouldn't matter. Good Vibrations ws recorded and released only in mono. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Okay..I'm thinking of the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations..LOL! Seriously..the stereo isn't in my bedroom, so afraid that wouldn't work for me either! But hey..interesting thought, Robert! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
really. Like what for instance. bb - Original Message - From: Michael D. Barber m.bar...@mchsi.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Actually, I think I heard something about this on television not long ago. - Original Message - From: Norma A. Boge nab...@mchsi.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the Beatles albums is such a big deal. I can appreciate Sir George and Giles Martin producing, but wouldn't all this only really sound good if on vinyl? IMHO, there is music that isn't meant to be digitized Seems there are more albums being made available on vinyl. I figure this is due to boomers with disposable income wanting to hear music as they did in their youth. Just my 2 cents... Norma To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4737 (20100102) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4737 (20100102) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Yes good vibrations was supposed to be on smile until it got scrapped. Brian had the song and was busy recording it in 4 studios. However officially no stereo version existed until the bootlegs started coming out. There were several mock stereo version using overdubs from an alternate take of good vibrations. bb - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo John, Perhaps I shouldn't question an artifact you can check against, but the date makes no historical sense. Brian Wilson began formulating good vibrations some time during the Pet Sounds sessions. As an aside, you can hear stereo mixes of the rehearsals in the box set, The Pet Sounds Sessions. The Pet Sounds LP wasn't released until May of 1966, and good Vibrations came out several months later. No Beach Boys albums appeared in stereo up to that time because Brian Wilson was deaf in one ear and seems to have had complete control over production, which in every other way was a good thing. Surgery apparently restored some hearing in the deaf ear, and Friends, three albums later, came out in stereo. In the past two decade, stereo remixes of Beach Boys material at their height have appeared in drips and drabs, the best being on that Pet sounds Sessions box set, which includes a wonderful stereo remix of the album itself. Regarding the Beatles Stereo Set, something to keep in mind is that Capital's versions of the Beatles albums not only differed in content from those released in the UK, but the LPs were also, I believe, inferior in quality. The stereo set's Sergeant Pepper's is light years ahead of the US LP. I don't have the UK LP of that album. However, I have the UK Beetles for Sale LP, and it compares favorably with the stereo set version. Still, the stereo set is very well done, the sound is terrific, and the convenience of a CD undeniably surpasses that of an LP. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Ford, That isn't true. I have an old 12 inch copy of that song that was done in stereo. The date on this old record, is March 5, 1965. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Ford Blackwell blackwe...@ameritech.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Wouldn't matter. Good Vibrations ws recorded and released only in mono. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Okay..I'm thinking of the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations..LOL! Seriously..the stereo isn't in my bedroom, so afraid that wouldn't work for me either! But hey..interesting thought, Robert! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Adrian, It's not an LP, it's just a long playing record with the same song on it over and over again. On the other side of it, is just the song with just the backup singers with the lead singer removed. Some of those tracks, don't have any singers of any kind at all! This record was imported from Japanned in March 5, 1965. As I stated in an earlier post, these are my parents and grand parent's old records. I think this one, belonged to my father. How he got his hands on it, is way be-on me. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo John, Perhaps I shouldn't question an artifact you can check against, but the date makes no historical sense. Brian Wilson began formulating good vibrations some time during the Pet Sounds sessions. As an aside, you can hear stereo mixes of the rehearsals in the box set, The Pet Sounds Sessions. The Pet Sounds LP wasn't released until May of 1966, and good Vibrations came out several months later. No Beach Boys albums appeared in stereo up to that time because Brian Wilson was deaf in one ear and seems to have had complete control over production, which in every other way was a good thing. Surgery apparently restored some hearing in the deaf ear, and Friends, three albums later, came out in stereo. In the past two decade, stereo remixes of Beach Boys material at their height have appeared in drips and drabs, the best being on that Pet sounds Sessions box set, which includes a wonderful stereo remix of the album itself. Regarding the Beatles Stereo Set, something to keep in mind is that Capital's versions of the Beatles albums not only differed in content from those released in the UK, but the LPs were also, I believe, inferior in quality. The stereo set's Sergeant Pepper's is light years ahead of the US LP. I don't have the UK LP of that album. However, I have the UK Beetles for Sale LP, and it compares favorably with the stereo set version. Still, the stereo set is very well done, the sound is terrific, and the convenience of a CD undeniably surpasses that of an LP. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Ford, That isn't true. I have an old 12 inch copy of that song that was done in stereo. The date on this old record, is March 5, 1965. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Ford Blackwell blackwe...@ameritech.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Wouldn't matter. Good Vibrations ws recorded and released only in mono. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Okay..I'm thinking of the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations..LOL! Seriously..the stereo isn't in my bedroom, so afraid that wouldn't work for me either! But hey..interesting thought, Robert! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Fire sign theatre did something that cd will never accomplish. they put out an album that one record had three sides. Side two was grooved in a way that when the needle was set in one groove to get side two then the next groove over for side three. As a blind person this could raise havack. - Original Message - From: Norma A. Boge nab...@mchsi.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the Beatles albums is such a big deal. I can appreciate Sir George and Giles Martin producing, but wouldn't all this only really sound good if on vinyl? IMHO, there is music that isn't meant to be digitized Seems there are more albums being made available on vinyl. I figure this is due to boomers with disposable income wanting to hear music as they did in their youth. Just my 2 cents... Norma To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Okay..I'm thinking of the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations..LOL! Seriously..the stereo isn't in my bedroom, so afraid that wouldn't work for me either! But hey..interesting thought, Robert! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Wouldn't matter. Good Vibrations ws recorded and released only in mono. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Okay..I'm thinking of the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations..LOL! Seriously..the stereo isn't in my bedroom, so afraid that wouldn't work for me either! But hey..interesting thought, Robert! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and nothing else! So whether it's in mono or stereo, out of the sub-woofer, you hear base..either way. Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
i can deffinitly agree with this one. btw for those of you who want that tube/balbe sound i can recomand a really need combo of vsts that can give this to you. you will need winamp, the vst bridge 1.16 and the two vsts i have but for a computer sulation in software it works great. but still wish there was a way to get the valve sound/tube sound with out having to use vsts to do so. on another note are there any recievers that can produce the tub/valve sounds like we have been disscussing? - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and nothing else! So whether it's in mono or stereo, out of the sub-woofer, you hear base..either way. Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Ford, That isn't true. I have an old 12 inch copy of that song that was done in stereo. The date on this old record, is March 5, 1965. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Ford Blackwell blackwe...@ameritech.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Wouldn't matter. Good Vibrations ws recorded and released only in mono. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Okay..I'm thinking of the Beach Boys' Good Vibrations..LOL! Seriously..the stereo isn't in my bedroom, so afraid that wouldn't work for me either! But hey..interesting thought, Robert! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Sunshine, No, I was talking about music discs. SACD, AKA, super audio compact disc, is record in AC3 encoding with a64 bit rate and 11486 KHZ. But in order to play those, you will need a SACD player. You can also find that at your loco hi end stereo shop too as well. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo these are the kind you can record on correct? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, Try any high end stereo shop in your area. They run somewhere in between $25 $30. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo can yu give me an idea of where i can look for them and how much they cost? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:07 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, I still have one of those old vacuum tube systems. What you said about the CD, is true on one hand. But on the other hand, it isn't. Some CD's, are being recorded at 32 bits with PCM encoding which yields a way better sound. But however, they are only sailing them to the AUDIO PHIAL people. The sound quality of CD's that are made like that, are top notch. But don't expect to find CD's like these in WAL-MART, you won't find them there. I had allot of luck finding them at a specialty stereo shop. My best regards. John. PS. I still have a pare of those speakers, they sound really nice! - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the Beatles albums is such a big deal. I can appreciate Sir George and Giles Martin producing, but wouldn't all this only really sound good if on vinyl? IMHO, there is music that isn't meant to be digitized Seems there are more albums being made available on vinyl. I figure this is due to boomers with disposable income wanting to hear music as they did in their youth. Just my 2 cents... Norma To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Ok, you would need the winamp vst bridge, version 1.16 cause it has a second part to load the other vst. what version of foobar are you using? and how are you loading the vsts? that you use? email me off list and i will send them to you. - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo I'd be interested to hear these vsts. I use foobar 2000 but I also have winamp. It might be fun to try it. What do I need? bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo i can deffinitly agree with this one. btw for those of you who want that tube/balbe sound i can recomand a really need combo of vsts that can give this to you. you will need winamp, the vst bridge 1.16 and the two vsts i have but for a computer sulation in software it works great. but still wish there was a way to get the valve sound/tube sound with out having to use vsts to do so. on another note are there any recievers that can produce the tub/valve sounds like we have been disscussing? - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and nothing else! So whether it's in mono or stereo, out of the sub-woofer, you hear base..either way. Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Sunshine, Vacuum tube stereo receivers have been discontinued cense 1967. But however, there are still some integrated amplifiers on the market that uses tubes, but they are very costly. They are $5000 and up. But you can get a very low powered tube integrated amp from: www.tubedepot.com for about $200. I would like to see how the plug ins you spoke of works. I have Winamp 5.571 If you can, would you please send them to me? Thinks in advance for doing this for me. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo i can deffinitly agree with this one. btw for those of you who want that tube/balbe sound i can recomand a really need combo of vsts that can give this to you. you will need winamp, the vst bridge 1.16 and the two vsts i have but for a computer sulation in software it works great. but still wish there was a way to get the valve sound/tube sound with out having to use vsts to do so. on another note are there any recievers that can produce the tub/valve sounds like we have been disscussing? - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and nothing else! So whether it's in mono or stereo, out of the sub-woofer, you hear base..either way. Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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High Norma, That is true. I don't know about the boomers you spoke of, but I am still a record collector. I collect allot of jazz records. You can get them either way. You can get them on LP or CD. But to my ears, the LP's sound a whole lot better. The newest amp that I have, is an Eastern Electric M-520 integrated vacuum tube amp that I bought almost 2 years ago. But most of my sound equipment, is vintage equipment that my parents had when they were alive. When they passed on, I got it and restored it all to working order so that I could use it. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Norma A. Boge nab...@mchsi.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo This thread reminds me of why I wondered why the remastering of the Beatles albums is such a big deal. I can appreciate Sir George and Giles Martin producing, but wouldn't all this only really sound good if on vinyl? IMHO, there is music that isn't meant to be digitized Seems there are more albums being made available on vinyl. I figure this is due to boomers with disposable income wanting to hear music as they did in their youth. Just my 2 cents... Norma To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hi how do this plug ins or this dsp bridge effect the sound in winamp? If I had it and first played one of my mp3's just using winamp on its own. Then played that same file using that bridge would I notice a sound difference from when I played the file when I wasn't using it and or over when I played it when I was using it? And also what all configuring need to be done to get it to sound nice and what settings do you need to set to get the best quality out of it? Also where do you get these files from and are they free? Casey - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:31 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Ok, you would need the winamp vst bridge, version 1.16 cause it has a second part to load the other vst. what version of foobar are you using? and how are you loading the vsts? that you use? email me off list and i will send them to you. - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo I'd be interested to hear these vsts. I use foobar 2000 but I also have winamp. It might be fun to try it. What do I need? bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo i can deffinitly agree with this one. btw for those of you who want that tube/balbe sound i can recomand a really need combo of vsts that can give this to you. you will need winamp, the vst bridge 1.16 and the two vsts i have but for a computer sulation in software it works great. but still wish there was a way to get the valve sound/tube sound with out having to use vsts to do so. on another note are there any recievers that can produce the tub/valve sounds like we have been disscussing? - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo But that really makes no difference as a sub-woofer only gives you base (and nothing else! So whether it's in mono or stereo, out of the sub-woofer, you hear base..either way. Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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High Tom, This is why I'm still using my father's stereo receiver. It is more then 50 years old. The phono stage in all of these newer receivers, I found to be a joke. They can't reproduce the high quality sound that comes from my Fisher 500-s receiver. Oh ya, this receiver has vacuum tubes in it. No transistors anywhere in sight. This is the reason I'm keeping it working and operational because I love its sound. Today's stereo and surround receivers, can't come close to even touching it. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Well Brett and list: To show you how it's gotten to be, I have a friend (great steel guitarist)..he recorded some songs..I guess it was fifteen years ago..maybe more..a few years ago, he put those tunes on a CD (along with some other stuff he'd done)..well I have a cassette tape of this one song (the click track is still on it)..but the tone of that steel just sounds so nice! Well when they put it on CD, although it's the same guy; same tune and all..it doesn't have that good, smooth tone as it has on that old cassette I have of him doing it! I remember him telling me that (and I've found this out for myself)..in the digital world, if you turn the volume down, it goes down to a point; then just cuts off! It's this way on my JVC stereo receiver; when it gets to a certain point, instead of the sound continuing to taper off, it just cuts off completely! Tom Kaufman (aka Tomcat) To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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High Sunshine, I still have one of those old vacuum tube systems. What you said about the CD, is true on one hand. But on the other hand, it isn't. Some CD's, are being recorded at 32 bits with PCM encoding which yields a way better sound. But however, they are only sailing them to the AUDIO PHIAL people. The sound quality of CD's that are made like that, are top notch. But don't expect to find CD's like these in WAL-MART, you won't find them there. I had allot of luck finding them at a specialty stereo shop. My best regards. John. PS. I still have a pare of those speakers, they sound really nice! - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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can yu give me an idea of where i can look for them and how much they cost? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:07 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, I still have one of those old vacuum tube systems. What you said about the CD, is true on one hand. But on the other hand, it isn't. Some CD's, are being recorded at 32 bits with PCM encoding which yields a way better sound. But however, they are only sailing them to the AUDIO PHIAL people. The sound quality of CD's that are made like that, are top notch. But don't expect to find CD's like these in WAL-MART, you won't find them there. I had allot of luck finding them at a specialty stereo shop. My best regards. John. PS. I still have a pare of those speakers, they sound really nice! - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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When I went to a studio. I saw a guy playing drums by dragging and dropping beats I almost crapped myself. I'm not talking about electronic music with sampling or remixing. This guy had a regular drummer who came in and hit certain drums and this guy drew the beats together. Then I knew the days of pure music are over. nn - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
wasn't there a sound card that uses tubes? bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo can yu give me an idea of where i can look for them and how much they cost? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:07 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, I still have one of those old vacuum tube systems. What you said about the CD, is true on one hand. But on the other hand, it isn't. Some CD's, are being recorded at 32 bits with PCM encoding which yields a way better sound. But however, they are only sailing them to the AUDIO PHIAL people. The sound quality of CD's that are made like that, are top notch. But don't expect to find CD's like these in WAL-MART, you won't find them there. I had allot of luck finding them at a specialty stereo shop. My best regards. John. PS. I still have a pare of those speakers, they sound really nice! - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Sunshine, Try any high end stereo shop in your area. They run somewhere in between $25 $30. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo can yu give me an idea of where i can look for them and how much they cost? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:07 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, I still have one of those old vacuum tube systems. What you said about the CD, is true on one hand. But on the other hand, it isn't. Some CD's, are being recorded at 32 bits with PCM encoding which yields a way better sound. But however, they are only sailing them to the AUDIO PHIAL people. The sound quality of CD's that are made like that, are top notch. But don't expect to find CD's like these in WAL-MART, you won't find them there. I had allot of luck finding them at a specialty stereo shop. My best regards. John. PS. I still have a pare of those speakers, they sound really nice! - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I don't know if this has anything to do with it..but I find (with this JVC stereo receiver I have)..I'm running some old Technique speakers..and while the base response is adequate, it's not a real hard thumping base; don't know if it's the speakers or the stereo receiver itself (I keep the base wide-open..and it's there..but wouldn't mind a little bit more! Tom Kaufman P.SO. John: I'd say to you hold on to that system you got for as long as you can run it! To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
these are the kind you can record on correct? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, Try any high end stereo shop in your area. They run somewhere in between $25 $30. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo can yu give me an idea of where i can look for them and how much they cost? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:07 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Sunshine, I still have one of those old vacuum tube systems. What you said about the CD, is true on one hand. But on the other hand, it isn't. Some CD's, are being recorded at 32 bits with PCM encoding which yields a way better sound. But however, they are only sailing them to the AUDIO PHIAL people. The sound quality of CD's that are made like that, are top notch. But don't expect to find CD's like these in WAL-MART, you won't find them there. I had allot of luck finding them at a specialty stereo shop. My best regards. John. PS. I still have a pare of those speakers, they sound really nice! - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo you know brent, and others. todays music systems that are purely digital, are a bit if not totally disapointing. from what i know aabout digital files such as those that are made from cds. the quality is what you get, if i remember correctly the underlying actuall, audio is a wav file that has been made in 16 bit, 44100 khz standards such as the red book standard. The tube sound or vacume tube/valve sound of the earlier systems, made sound quality stars above any digital sounding system i have heard. I am in my 30's and can remember a lot of stereo equipment from those days. what i would love to see is a very high quality audio file stereo system with ripping aviable in the unit, with a way to transfer the ripped files to a portable device/ or computer. Also on another note digital speakers vs analog speakers i will take the analog speakers over the digital ones any day. the frequency response of a pure analog speaker system also sounds much better. does anyone remember the panasonic thruster 750's? for analog speakers? - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Why not invest in a subwoofer? - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo I don't know if this has anything to do with it..but I find (with this JVC stereo receiver I have)..I'm running some old Technique speakers..and while the base response is adequate, it's not a real hard thumping base; don't know if it's the speakers or the stereo receiver itself (I keep the base wide-open..and it's there..but wouldn't mind a little bit more! Tom Kaufman P.SO. John: I'd say to you hold on to that system you got for as long as you can run it! To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
The speakers have woofers in them (I assume they're sub-woofers..another speaker; just would be what I need for this already crammed up room! To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
No, a subwoofer is a stand alone speaker that specifically concentrates on bass output. they can be passive (no amp) or active (has its own amplification) they are made to enhance the bass of your other speakers. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The speakers have woofers in them (I assume they're sub-woofers..another speaker; just would be what I need for this already crammed up room! To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Yup..I know what they are (I have one for the speakers that are connected to my computer)..am sure it would help if I had one on my stereo system..but as I said..just don't have a place to put one! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Say out there! It sounds like this joint stero si merely two systems are hooked up thus; 4 track results? Just wondering; Ken B - Original Message - From: robert Doc Wright talmi...@wrightplaceinc.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Why not invest in a subwoofer? - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo I don't know if this has anything to do with it..but I find (with this JVC stereo receiver I have)..I'm running some old Technique speakers..and while the base response is adequate, it's not a real hard thumping base; don't know if it's the speakers or the stereo receiver itself (I keep the base wide-open..and it's there..but wouldn't mind a little bit more! Tom Kaufman P.SO. John: I'd say to you hold on to that system you got for as long as you can run it! To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
sure you do. Stick it under your bed. Just imagine feeling those vibrations. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Yup..I know what they are (I have one for the speakers that are connected to my computer)..am sure it would help if I had one on my stereo system..but as I said..just don't have a place to put one! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Nice one Robert. Sounds kinda fun!! bb - Original Message - From: robert Doc Wright talmi...@wrightplaceinc.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo sure you do. Stick it under your bed. Just imagine feeling those vibrations. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Yup..I know what they are (I have one for the speakers that are connected to my computer)..am sure it would help if I had one on my stereo system..but as I said..just don't have a place to put one! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Tom, Just as long as I can get my hands on replacement vacuum tubes, I'll keep this old receiver going for many years. My father ran it strait for about 20 years before any work had to be done on it. Nock on wood, I ran it strait for about 15 years without any problems. But just in case a tube blows out, I have some replacement tubes on hands to get it back working again. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo I don't know if this has anything to do with it..but I find (with this JVC stereo receiver I have)..I'm running some old Technique speakers..and while the base response is adequate, it's not a real hard thumping base; don't know if it's the speakers or the stereo receiver itself (I keep the base wide-open..and it's there..but wouldn't mind a little bit more! Tom Kaufman P.SO. John: I'd say to you hold on to that system you got for as long as you can run it! To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
That's sad to hear. My sincerest condolences. - Original Message - From: Richard Costa rtco...@optonline.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo To all concerned, I have sad news. Richard passed on December 12, 2009 of a heart attack. Some may know already, however, I'm sending this information to all of Richards email contacts. It was so sudden with no warning. I know Richard receives many emails each day and I want to inform all those who contacted him. Sincerely, Anthony and Teresa Costa - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Garry, Have you tried using another audio file converter? I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another. Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone. I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality sound. This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4722 (20091228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4722 (20091228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I have tried Nero 7 and Express Rip. Same results. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Garry, Have you tried using another audio file converter? I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another. Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone. I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality sound. This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I'm not sure what other programs to check with. And, your right, I'm beginning to be suspicious. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo I'd be suspicious of Winamp then if you're saying that you're choosing stereo rather than joint but Winamp keeps telling you that your results are joint. Have you checked by looking at the properties in windows explorer or any other programs that provide MP3 file informaition? Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
hi, you might want to check to see that settings are saved. it sounds like the program is defaulting to a specific setting. once you select normal stereo and save that setting, it should stay selected. les. Cd/Dvd Duplication Custom Printing Customer Service Les Gordon Phone: (267)329-8150 email: sa...@cdrdvdr.com web: http://www.cdrdvdr.com - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:07 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo I have tried Nero 7 and Express Rip. Same results. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Garry, Have you tried using another audio file converter? I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another. Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone. I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality sound. This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hi, Thanks John, for the explanation. Vicky - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Vicky, No, the voice is always in the middle. It just gives better separation of the other instruments. It is like having the keyboards in one speaker, the percussions in the other speaker. While the drums and bass are pan to both speakers. In the late 50's and early 60's, that is how early stereo was recorded. The music in one speaker, while the voices were in the other speaker. In the mid to late 60's, they got away from that. Putting the voices in the middle is pretty much the norm and has been cense 1965. Hope this helps you. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi, When you say, Better separation, does this separate voices into one speaker and the music into the other? I wouldn't like that. However, when I had a base and treble equalizer, I could bring specific sounds into prominence, which I really liked. Sadly, it died. Vicky - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo As a footnote to this I'm sure I've read somewhere in the LAME documentation that Joint Stereo should be used for encoding at variable and lower bit rates so perhaps your explanation of joint stereo below goes some way to explaining this statement smile. On 27/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, DJ DOCTOR P wrote: High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Tom, I wasn't born in the 60's, I was born in 1972. But however, I have allot of old records that my mom dad grandpa and grandma had. My record collection goes all the way back to the mid 20's. But oh yes, I get what you are talking about. Some jazz musicians are trying to bring that 50's/60's sound back, but I don't think they're doing to well with it. But to me, it sounds really cool! But somehow, MP3's leaves something more to be desired. I wish there was a portable media player that could play ape wave and or any other lossless audio files. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Yeah..and now it doesn't even have that same intensity anymore; when I listen to a stereo recording, it almost sounds now like the same instruments are coming through both channels! Not so in the 60s; fact is..if you didn't have both speakers on, you didn't get all the instrumentation! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hey sunshine! I can agree with you on that, When I'm producing music, I try to make it warm and clear to the listener. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi! oh yeah, reel to reel tapes, wow! I simply love those things. I'm still looking for some good reel to reel tape recorders, cause I have some which I'd like to go through and digitalize, cause on some of them, I have recordings of a passed away friend of mine and I when we were doing music together. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:25 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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High Sunshine, I am incline to agree with you. In the 60's and 70's, allot of the recordings were made on recording equipment that had vacuum tubes in it. This is where that warm deep sound came from. There are still peaces of equipment that could be bought today that still uses vacuum tubes to enhance the recording of music. But it all falls apart when the signal goes in to either a computer and or a CD recorder. Because those machines, converts the signal from analog to digital. The only way to counter react that is, to put the tubes on the input and the output of the computer's sound card and or the CD recorder. As far as CD recorders for both studio and hi phi use, no manufacturer has thought about doing that yet. Because if they did, the music would sound a whole lot better then it would without the tubes not being in the signal path. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High George, How are you going about doing that? Are you using anything that has tubes in it? I'm asking because that is the only way you will be able to do that. You can do it in analog first, then go to digital. This is how I mix everything down in my own recording studio. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hey sunshine! I can agree with you on that, When I'm producing music, I try to make it warm and clear to the listener. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Amen and Amen! And you'd think as the equipment supposedly has gotten better, the sound would be better; not necessarily so! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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absolutely. Everything is now digitized, quantized, and crappy! bb - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo also tom, and others, the sound that was produced back in the 60s,70s,80s has that warm, deep sound that has depth, spectural, clariety, and a sound that is more human then digital sounding recordings. of todays cd quality music. The analog sound that came out of the past years in the 60s,70s, has a lot of clariety that todays equipment doesn't have in my own thoughts. - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Tom, I think the change took place in the mid 80's when CD's replaced 8 track tapes. Also at the same time, you couldn't buy music on open reels anymore either. To me, the open real tapes sounded a whole lot better then 8 track and cassette tapes put together. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo In my opinion, I don't think they'll ever be able to re-create that sound they had back then as the world of digital equipment just doesn't allow for it! But even a lot of the music of the seventies still had that good, wide, stereo; I don't know when it changed..and don't really know why it changed! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Well Brett and list: To show you how it's gotten to be, I have a friend (great steel guitarist)..he recorded some songs..I guess it was fifteen years ago..maybe more..a few years ago, he put those tunes on a CD (along with some other stuff he'd done)..well I have a cassette tape of this one song (the click track is still on it)..but the tone of that steel just sounds so nice! Well when they put it on CD, although it's the same guy; same tune and all..it doesn't have that good, smooth tone as it has on that old cassette I have of him doing it! I remember him telling me that (and I've found this out for myself)..in the digital world, if you turn the volume down, it goes down to a point; then just cuts off! It's this way on my JVC stereo receiver; when it gets to a certain point, instead of the sound continuing to taper off, it just cuts off completely! Tom Kaufman (aka Tomcat) To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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It would be interesting to hear that comparison. I truly believe it. bb - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Well Brett and list: To show you how it's gotten to be, I have a friend (great steel guitarist)..he recorded some songs..I guess it was fifteen years ago..maybe more..a few years ago, he put those tunes on a CD (along with some other stuff he'd done)..well I have a cassette tape of this one song (the click track is still on it)..but the tone of that steel just sounds so nice! Well when they put it on CD, although it's the same guy; same tune and all..it doesn't have that good, smooth tone as it has on that old cassette I have of him doing it! I remember him telling me that (and I've found this out for myself)..in the digital world, if you turn the volume down, it goes down to a point; then just cuts off! It's this way on my JVC stereo receiver; when it gets to a certain point, instead of the sound continuing to taper off, it just cuts off completely! Tom Kaufman (aka Tomcat) To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hi, When you say, Better separation, does this separate voices into one speaker and the music into the other? I wouldn't like that. However, when I had a base and treble equalizer, I could bring specific sounds into prominence, which I really liked. Sadly, it died. Vicky - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo As a footnote to this I'm sure I've read somewhere in the LAME documentation that Joint Stereo should be used for encoding at variable and lower bit rates so perhaps your explanation of joint stereo below goes some way to explaining this statement smile. On 27/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, DJ DOCTOR P wrote: High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Vicky, No, the voice is always in the middle. It just gives better separation of the other instruments. It is like having the keyboards in one speaker, the percussions in the other speaker. While the drums and bass are pan to both speakers. In the late 50's and early 60's, that is how early stereo was recorded. The music in one speaker, while the voices were in the other speaker. In the mid to late 60's, they got away from that. Putting the voices in the middle is pretty much the norm and has been cense 1965. Hope this helps you. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi, When you say, Better separation, does this separate voices into one speaker and the music into the other? I wouldn't like that. However, when I had a base and treble equalizer, I could bring specific sounds into prominence, which I really liked. Sadly, it died. Vicky - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo As a footnote to this I'm sure I've read somewhere in the LAME documentation that Joint Stereo should be used for encoding at variable and lower bit rates so perhaps your explanation of joint stereo below goes some way to explaining this statement smile. On 27/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, DJ DOCTOR P wrote: High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Yeah..and now it doesn't even have that same intensity anymore; when I listen to a stereo recording, it almost sounds now like the same instruments are coming through both channels! Not so in the 60s; fact is..if you didn't have both speakers on, you didn't get all the instrumentation! Tom Kaufman To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
I'd be suspicious of Winamp then if you're saying that you're choosing stereo rather than joint but Winamp keeps telling you that your results are joint. Have you checked by looking at the properties in windows explorer or any other programs that provide MP3 file informaition? Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High Garry, Have you tried using another audio file converter? I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another. Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone. I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality sound. This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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To all concerned, I have sad news. Richard passed on December 12, 2009 of a heart attack. Some may know already, however, I'm sending this information to all of Richards email contacts. It was so sudden with no warning. I know Richard receives many emails each day and I want to inform all those who contacted him. Sincerely, Anthony and Teresa Costa - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High Garry, Have you tried using another audio file converter? I use Switch to convert audio files from one format to another. Mostly, I convert them to MP3's so that I can put them on my cell phone. I have it sat to normal stereo and constant bit rate for highest quality sound. This is just a suggestion that I thought mite help you solve your problem. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4722 (20091228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4722 (20091228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
something doesnt seem right there because you can control in the software the type of bitrates, and stereo types. and once those are saved then they dont change. i am using itunes. and all my settings are saved perminently. les Cd/Dvd Duplication Custom Printing Customer Service Les Gordon Phone: (267)329-8150 email: sa...@cdrdvdr.com web: http://www.cdrdvdr.com - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo The problem I'm having is that my system won't produce regular stereo. Everything comes out in joint and variable bit rate regardless of software settings. It's Winamp which I'm using to tell me what my stats on a particular file happen to be. Any thoughts? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd kevin.llo...@sky.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
As a footnote to this I'm sure I've read somewhere in the LAME documentation that Joint Stereo should be used for encoding at variable and lower bit rates so perhaps your explanation of joint stereo below goes some way to explaining this statement smile. On 27/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, DJ DOCTOR P wrote: High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo
My understanding is that joint stereo is a psychoacoustic trick to try and make lower bit rate encoded files sound better in terms of their channel separation. I don't believe the monoblock analogy is strictly correct. All the advice I have seen is to use normal stereo for decent encoded files at bit rates of 192kbps and higher and only use the joint stereo psychoacoustic trick on very poor files encoded at lower bit rates. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.llo...@sky.com - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi! aha, that make sence, thanks so much for this info. then I will set it to joint stereo for further conversions. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P djdoct...@att.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo High George, Joint stereo is, like you have a pare of speakers, but you have a mono block amplifier on each one. Regular stereo, is having those same pare of speakers hooked up to a stereo amplifier. The joint stereo, gives better stereo channel separation then the regular stereo. Hope this helps. John. - Original Message - From: Jörgen Hansson hansson.jo...@spray.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: a question about joint stereo and normal stereo Hi all! I have a question which is making me curious. when I'm converting wave to mp3 in a convertion program or so, I can see something called joint stereo, and I can also choose if I would like to have it in joint stereo or just stereo. my question is, what's the difference between joint stereo and stereo, I can't seem to hear any difference at all there. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Joint Stereo
I have just tried ripping a cd with Nero 7 and EZCD Extractor 9. Both gave me joint stereo. I want stereo. I had Nero set for constant bit-rate and tried all quality settings. Any ideas? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm back to believing the problem to be with Easy CD-Da Extractor, not Winamp. I just realized taht the file I thought I had created with Gold Wave was actually created with Easy CD-Da Extractor. So it does appear that whenever you extract to any format with Easy CD-Da Extractor, you get joint stereo, not true stereo. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joint Stereo Issue May be a Winamp Issue
I think the joint stereo issue may in fact be a Winamp issue. Winamp is reporting everything being joint stereo, even stuff I know for a fact I saved as true stereo using Gold Wave. Is there any way to find out definitively whether or not a file is in joint stereo? Bruce -- Bruce Toews Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dave. The followign is from the CDEX manual. Basically, don't use Joint Stereo unless you're dealing with very low bit rates like 128kbps. For these files joint stereo will do some messing with the file to try and enhance the stereo image of the music. With the LAME encoder, you can specify how the file is encoded. The default stereo option is recommended, but at lower bit-rates, the Joint-stereo or Forced stereo can yield better sound quality. Stereo: In this mode, the encoder makes no use of potential similarity between the two input channels. It can, however, negotiate the bit demand between both channels, i.e. give one channel more bits if the other contains silence. Joint stereo: In this mode, the encoder will make use of a correlation between both channels. The signal will be matrixed into a sum (mid) and difference (side) signal. For quasi-mono signals, this will give a significant gain in encoding quality. This mode does not destroy phase information like IS stereo that may be used by other encoders. This setting can be used to encode DOLBY ProLogic surround signals. force joint stereo: This mode will force MS joint stereo on all frames. It's faster and it uses some special mid and side masking threshold. Mono: This option will forcibly generate a mono file; if the input file is a stereo file, the input stream will be read as a mono by averaging the left and right channels. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dave Marthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Joint Stereo Question I was just playing around with AudioGrabber and saw a term that I am not familiar with. That is joint stereo. What is the difference between joint stereo and standard stereo? Any information would be appreciated. Dave Marthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joint Stereo Question
I was just playing around with AudioGrabber and saw a term that I am not familiar with. That is joint stereo. What is the difference between joint stereo and standard stereo? Any information would be appreciated. Dave Marthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
Hi, Joint stereo is only the next best, but it saves space and there by makes the file a bit smaller. Here are some definitions of what it is. . A specific coding mode in Layer II audio coding. In the joint stereo mode, the upper frequencies of a stereo signal are joined and coded as intensity stereo in order to conserve valuable bits and improve overall quality. www.sidetrips.com/support/glossary_a_l.asp . A method that takes advantage of the similarities between the left and right channels in an audio file so that it requires less data to compress it. (cp. dual channel) (more..) www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/glossary.html . Joint stereo, in audio engineering, is the technique of encoding stereo audio into a mid channel which is a full channel average of the combined left and right channels, with a side channel which has separation information on how to re-create two distinct stereo signals. This can aid compression for a large majority of music, and may be used in MP3, AAC and Ogg Vorbis audio encoding techniques. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_stereo Best regards Brian - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Brent! From what has been stated, Joint Stereo is a good thing when using MP3's! - Original Message - From: Brent Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Oh, thought Joint stereo was either a mono feed played over both channels, or the mix you'd get if one imagined hooking the left and right outputs on a device to separate channels on a board and putting it in the center as a mono feed. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Soundforge can do batch conversions! - Original Message - From: DOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
Oh, thought Joint stereo was either a mono feed played over both channels, or the mix you'd get if one imagined hooking the left and right outputs on a device to separate channels on a board and putting it in the center as a mono feed. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Soundforge can do batch conversions! - Original Message - From: DOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
I've heard that refered to as dual mono, joint mono or composite mono. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Brent Harding wrote: Oh, thought Joint stereo was either a mono feed played over both channels, or the mix you'd get if one imagined hooking the left and right outputs on a device to separate channels on a board and putting it in the center as a mono feed. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Soundforge can do batch conversions! - Original Message - From: DOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
Hi Brent! From what has been stated, Joint Stereo is a good thing when using MP3's! - Original Message - From: Brent Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Oh, thought Joint stereo was either a mono feed played over both channels, or the mix you'd get if one imagined hooking the left and right outputs on a device to separate channels on a board and putting it in the center as a mono feed. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Soundforge can do batch conversions! - Original Message - From: DOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
It's not a program as such, it's an encoding technique. The latest version of Gold Wave has joint stereo options, for example. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, DOC wrote: Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
I think you can get joint stereo as one of the choices in the CDex program. - Original Message - From: DOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo - what is it?
Soundforge can do batch conversions! - Original Message - From: DOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Where can this program be downloaded and how much does it cost? Can it do batch conversions? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi Arthur. Joint stereo is specifically used to enhance the sound of MP3 files that have been ripped at a very low bit rate such as 128kbps. There is some math involved in the way that the stereo information is analysed and then used to enhance the sound but I don't have that depth of detail at hand. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: arthur Pirika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Joint Stereo - what is it? Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Joint Stereo - what is it?
Hi, I've notice that mp3's at 128 kbps joint stereo seem to be better quality than normal stereo mp3's. So, what is joint-stereo and why is the quality difference present? Thanks, Arthur. ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo
Joint_Stereo is a data-saving technique which only keeps one copy of sound data that appears on both channels, rather than two. On older, slower machines, regular (vs. joint) stereo MP3's sometimes produced a wavy effect when playing back because the slower processor couldn't keep up with encoding what was essentially two streams containing some common elements and keep them in total synchronization. Joint_stereo fixes this problem by removing the common data from one of the channels and copying it from the other one. Files recorded in joint_stereo are sometimes a little smaller than those recorded in plain regular stereo. Can LAME be set to produce stereo (not joint) output? Sure can. What wrapper do you use for LAME--Easy CDDA Extractor perhaps? This program lets you configure every known option there is for the LAME encoder. Hope this helps. ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Joint Stereo
The Lame MP3 Encoder produces MP3's in joint stereo. What exactly, in layperson's terms, is joint stereo? Is there a way I can get an encoder that encodes in true stereo? Is there a reason I'd want to do this? Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo
Lousy. I've heard instrument placement where voices and instruments shifted. Perhaps it's quality depended? I would hope so. Can't answer your other question. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Joint Stereo The Lame MP3 Encoder produces MP3's in joint stereo. What exactly, in layperson's terms, is joint stereo? Is there a way I can get an encoder that encodes in true stereo? Is there a reason I'd want to do this? Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo
Bruce, I have a program called Razorlame that uses the lame engine. Yes you can get regular stereo files from this as well as joint stereo. I'm not sure what joint stereo is either. Razorlame provides a really nice interface to the lame engine so you don't have to memorize a bunch of commands. Email me off list and I can send you the files. I also have a file that tells you how to get started with Window-eyes and how to set it up. Denny ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint Stereo
Denny, could you please send it to me as well. - Original Message - From: Denny Daughters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Joint Stereo Bruce, I have a program called Razorlame that uses the lame engine. Yes you can get regular stereo files from this as well as joint stereo. I'm not sure what joint stereo is either. Razorlame provides a really nice interface to the lame engine so you don't have to memorize a bunch of commands. Email me off list and I can send you the files. I also have a file that tells you how to get started with Window-eyes and how to set it up. Denny ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Joint stereo
Hi Gary and list, I'm not really sure how a person does that to a file, but I certainly agree that it sounds awful. It seems as though I'm always getting this stuff, rather it be music or books. What I really don't understand, is why anyone would want their files to be like this. The way I understand it, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, is that a joint stereo file has one of the channels placed over top of the other one. In other words, they aren't two separate channels like they should be. Someone else can probably explain it better than I can. But that's the way I've understood it to be. What I'd like to know, is that if you get files like this, is there a way to fix them? I'm thinking probably not, but I'm hoping I am wrong. If you can fix them, what do you have to do? Can you just resave them? I doubt it can be that simple. Gary I hope this has helped you in some way. If not, I apologize. Everyone have a terrific day. Terri -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joint stereo
I've just heard two samples of joint stereo where instruments move from spot to spot making recordings unpleasant to hear. What programs use it and how do you make sure they're not doing it? Sounds really bad. ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question concerning VBR and Joint Stereo on Standard CD
Hi Larry. Using variable bit rates and joint stereo really apply to the ripping stage where you're taking tracks from an audio CD and converting to MP3. It doesn't really apply to burning them to CD. You can re-encode MP3 that's at a higher bit rate and reduce it using variable bit rates. For example, if you had MP3's at a bit rate of 256kbps, you could reduce these to around 128kbps using variable bit rates. This would ensure that the quality never dropped below 128kbps but would give you more bits per second where the music needed it. This would result in the files being slightly larger than if encoded with a constant bit rate of 128kbps but you should hear some improvement in the quality. I've pasted some details below on the different bit rate methods that can be used that my be of interest. Bitrate Options: There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options). 1) Constant Bitrate (CBR) This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode, the bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file. So, a second of audio from one part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence, acoustically simple, or quite complex. This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in the complex parts than in the simple parts. The advantage of CBR formats is that even older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa). 2) Average Bitrate (ABR) In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher bitrates for the parts of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly recommended over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR. 3) Variable bitrate (VBR) In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, and the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level of quality -- using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies heavily on the encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a minimum bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors. Kevin - Original Message - From: Larry N [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: Question concerning VBR and Joint Stereo on Standard CD Hi everyone. I have a data CD which consists of assorted MP3 files. My plan was to simply copy those files, paste them into folders and burn them onto standard audio CDs. A friend claims that for best results I should burn using a variable bit rate in joint stereo mode. It is my understanding that VBR and joint stereo apply to the encoding and editing of MP3's and MP3 CD's rather than to the process of burning MP3 files onto a standard CD. My question then is how do I take existing MP3's and apply VBR and joint stereo to a project involving such files? Additionally, if neither Nero nor Easy CD-DA extractor can perform the task, what screen reader compatible software would you suggest? Thanks in advance for any ideas. Larry ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question concerning VBR and Joint Stereo on Standard CD
Joint stereo is crap, especially if you are going to be listening to your music through good speakers. You can always tell a joint stereo file because the top end, especially the simples tend to oscillate between the speakers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry N Sent: Friday, 30 April 2004 2:18 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Question concerning VBR and Joint Stereo on Standard CD Hi everyone. I have a data CD which consists of assorted MP3 files. My plan was to simply copy those files, paste them into folders and burn them onto standard audio CDs. A friend claims that for best results I should burn using a variable bit rate in joint stereo mode. It is my understanding that VBR and joint stereo apply to the encoding and editing of MP3's and MP3 CD's rather than to the process of burning MP3 files onto a standard CD. My question then is how do I take existing MP3's and apply VBR and joint stereo to a project involving such files? Additionally, if neither Nero nor Easy CD-DA extractor can perform the task, what screen reader compatible software would you suggest? Thanks in advance for any ideas. Larry ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question concerning VBR and Joint Stereo on Standard CD
Hi Lary, you could use CDEX to re-convert the tracks, but I wouldn't recommend it because you will always lose a bit of the sound quality when you do that. What your friend probably meant was if you encoded wav or cda-files into mp3. Alex ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
