Re: Itunes 8 now accessible
Thanks so much Chris for your kindest response. That's exactly what i want, the download link for I Tune On 10/3/08, Christopher Chaltain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not Pam, and I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, so I apologize if this doesn't help, but iTunes is free and you can download it at http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/. Sabaruddin Isa wrote: Hi where can i try I Tune 8 Pam? thanks On 10/3/08, Pam Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! Occasionally, this is several years ago When a TV picture has been really bad you could hear a wildly fluctuating squealy tone. I have actually been able to satisfactorily tune in the picture this way for others in the house. You also used to notice the strange squeal when listening to audio on a scrambled signal before the cable companies perfected their scrambler technology. Remember watching all those events on HBO? We didn't care about the picture. Oops! Don't want to start an off-topic thread so I'll stop this; but perhaps one can still fix a mangled picture? Pam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:28:28 -0700, you wrote: You mean the t set still have thosehigh pitch tones? Shucks And I thought my earing was so great. They're still there, although much attenuated. They put the local oscillator in a better case now so it doesn't skwee-ee-ee-ee like it used to, but yes, it's still very much there. Ha, without it, there'd be no synchronization of the picture! Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:28:28 -0700, you wrote: You mean the t set still have thosehigh pitch tones? Shucks And I thought my earing was so great. They're still there, although much attenuated. They put the local oscillator in a better case now so it doesn't skwee-ee-ee-ee like it used to, but yes, it's still very much there. Ha, without it, there'd be no synchronization of the picture! Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Itunes 8 now accessible
Interesting! Occasionally, this is several years ago When a TV picture has been really bad you could hear a wildly fluctuating squealy tone. I have actually been able to satisfactorily tune in the picture this way for others in the house. You also used to notice the strange squeal when listening to audio on a scrambled signal before the cable companies perfected their scrambler technology. Remember watching all those events on HBO? We didn't care about the picture. Oops! Don't want to start an off-topic thread so I'll stop this; but perhaps one can still fix a mangled picture? Pam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:28:28 -0700, you wrote: You mean the t set still have thosehigh pitch tones? Shucks And I thought my earing was so great. They're still there, although much attenuated. They put the local oscillator in a better case now so it doesn't skwee-ee-ee-ee like it used to, but yes, it's still very much there. Ha, without it, there'd be no synchronization of the picture! Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi where can i try I Tune 8 Pam? thanks On 10/3/08, Pam Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! Occasionally, this is several years ago When a TV picture has been really bad you could hear a wildly fluctuating squealy tone. I have actually been able to satisfactorily tune in the picture this way for others in the house. You also used to notice the strange squeal when listening to audio on a scrambled signal before the cable companies perfected their scrambler technology. Remember watching all those events on HBO? We didn't care about the picture. Oops! Don't want to start an off-topic thread so I'll stop this; but perhaps one can still fix a mangled picture? Pam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:28:28 -0700, you wrote: You mean the t set still have thosehigh pitch tones? Shucks And I thought my earing was so great. They're still there, although much attenuated. They put the local oscillator in a better case now so it doesn't skwee-ee-ee-ee like it used to, but yes, it's still very much there. Ha, without it, there'd be no synchronization of the picture! Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I used to be able to hear a high pitch tone coming from TV sets. Is it that modern sets no longer produce that sound or is it that my ageing ears can no longer hear it. I have been told that one experiences a loss of high frequencies with age. Regards, Barry Chapman - Original Message - From: Pam Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Interesting! Occasionally, this is several years ago When a TV picture has been really bad you could hear a wildly fluctuating squealy tone. I have actually been able to satisfactorily tune in the picture this way for others in the house. You also used to notice the strange squeal when listening to audio on a scrambled signal before the cable companies perfected their scrambler technology. Remember watching all those events on HBO? We didn't care about the picture. Oops! Don't want to start an off-topic thread so I'll stop this; but perhaps one can still fix a mangled picture? Pam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:28:28 -0700, you wrote: You mean the t set still have thosehigh pitch tones? Shucks And I thought my earing was so great. They're still there, although much attenuated. They put the local oscillator in a better case now so it doesn't skwee-ee-ee-ee like it used to, but yes, it's still very much there. Ha, without it, there'd be no synchronization of the picture! Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1706 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 6:17 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm not Pam, and I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, so I apologize if this doesn't help, but iTunes is free and you can download it at http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/. Sabaruddin Isa wrote: Hi where can i try I Tune 8 Pam? thanks On 10/3/08, Pam Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! Occasionally, this is several years ago When a TV picture has been really bad you could hear a wildly fluctuating squealy tone. I have actually been able to satisfactorily tune in the picture this way for others in the house. You also used to notice the strange squeal when listening to audio on a scrambled signal before the cable companies perfected their scrambler technology. Remember watching all those events on HBO? We didn't care about the picture. Oops! Don't want to start an off-topic thread so I'll stop this; but perhaps one can still fix a mangled picture? Pam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:28:28 -0700, you wrote: You mean the t set still have thosehigh pitch tones? Shucks And I thought my earing was so great. They're still there, although much attenuated. They put the local oscillator in a better case now so it doesn't skwee-ee-ee-ee like it used to, but yes, it's still very much there. Ha, without it, there'd be no synchronization of the picture! Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, but only because I haven't heard of it before just now. Will go and take a look/listen-to. On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:53:22 +1300, you wrote: Steve, have you tried GSPlayer? It really looks and feels like Winamp. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2008 11:53 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I don't know if the 6800's are yet prepared for as much as a 16 gig card, but certainly a 4gb card would give you enough of a music choice to keep ya happy for a good while. I use my 6800 as a music player, although I do have two very major complaints about it. First, I usually use it with Bluetooth with some very nice Plantronics Bluetooth stereo headphones I got about 15 months ago, but yes, that does help drain one's battery, even if it's the higher-capacity one. Second, I'm not a fan of Windows Media Player, and that's all you get on WM6. Where the heck is Winamp for WM6 is what I want to know. There are other choices, but none as accessible as WMP, clunky and slow to respond as it is. On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:41:04 + (UTC), you wrote: Interesting observation...I have a pretty good smart phone (HTC 6800, Windows Mobile 6.1), and would never think to use it as my primary music player for one reason...Not nearly enough memory. I think it has 128MB on-board, and came with a 512MB mini-SD card. Granted, I could buy a bigger SD card, but I doubt I could get one up to 16GB. I think this is why it's still more common in America to see people with both a phone/PDA device and an MP3 player separately. That, and from what I've heard, the Europeans and Asians have better phones than we do as far as memory, and being able to do multiple things well. For instance, a lot of my friends who used to use the Blackberry always claimed that it was great for email, web browsing, and even music, but awful as a phone. I have to say, the HTC (Sprint Mogul, in my case), seems to do all of it very well. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think it's really all about choice. Some prefer to listen to their music on their phone, while others prefer to walk around and look stylish with their iPods. I don't Think any one choice is any better than the other, it's all in what the individual person likes. I'm glad apple have finally got themselves in a better place with accessibility, it's about damn time they did it on the hardware, and windows side of things. The Mac users had it for a while so it's nice to see the Windows side of things getting a peace of the action. At 05:56 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote: Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org
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Hi all But one interesting question: I thought that the sound quality of smart phones and Windows Pocket devices was not as good as that of genuine mp3 players? If you connect a set of high quality headphones to both types, would you hear the difference? Andre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: 01 October 2008 08:57 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible I think it's really all about choice. Some prefer to listen to their music on their phone, while others prefer to walk around and look stylish with their iPods. I don't Think any one choice is any better than the other, it's all in what the individual person likes. I'm glad apple have finally got themselves in a better place with accessibility, it's about damn time they did it on the hardware, and windows side of things. The Mac users had it for a while so it's nice to see the Windows side of things getting a peace of the action. At 05:56 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote: Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message
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Hi, André: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:27:36 +0200, you wrote: I thought that the sound quality of smart phones and Windows Pocket devices was not as good as that of genuine mp3 players? If you connect a set of high quality headphones to both types, would you hear the difference? Ah, a man of philosophy as well as technology! grin. That's a very subjective question, depending largely on the aural acuity of the listeners. For my part, I know full well that my ears ain't what they use ta be, many long years ago, as the song says, thanks to living in one of the loudest cities in the world that definitely has the loudest subterranean transportation system in the world, and having spent many long hours in computer rooms and data centers where the noise level was well above the 80dB mark, thanks to air-conditioning, tape drives, and high-speed line- and page-printers that make the devil's own racket. For instance, I can no longer hear the 15.734khz tone the television makes, and I used to be able to hear both the 15.734 and 15.750 (black and white or color) signal quite distinctly about 20 years gone now, so if it were up to me to answer your question, I'd have to say no, I personally couldn't tell the difference, which is why I'm keeping my 25-year-old Dhalquist studio monitor speakers rather than investing in some of the newer higher-tech models of today just because the specs are marvellous. Fact is, I'll never hear the difference. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In addition to what Steve said, I don't think you can make a broad statement about the sound quality of all cell phones and PDA's. There's no reason a cell phone couldn't have the exact same chips, hardware and algorithms found in a dedicated MP3 player. Some phones, like the Nokia N series, are proud of their sound quality. I personally don't use my cell phone, a Nokia N75, to do much listening to music, pod casts and books, but that's because of things like the battery life and the fact that I just find the Zen Stone with External Speaker to be so convenient and small, that I don't mind carry around another device. IMHO, it's all just personal preference and there's no right or wrong answer. The positive thing is that we as blind people are starting to have so many choices now. Steve Matzura wrote: Hi, André: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:27:36 +0200, you wrote: I thought that the sound quality of smart phones and Windows Pocket devices was not as good as that of genuine mp3 players? If you connect a set of high quality headphones to both types, would you hear the difference? Ah, a man of philosophy as well as technology! grin. That's a very subjective question, depending largely on the aural acuity of the listeners. For my part, I know full well that my ears ain't what they use ta be, many long years ago, as the song says, thanks to living in one of the loudest cities in the world that definitely has the loudest subterranean transportation system in the world, and having spent many long hours in computer rooms and data centers where the noise level was well above the 80dB mark, thanks to air-conditioning, tape drives, and high-speed line- and page-printers that make the devil's own racket. For instance, I can no longer hear the 15.734khz tone the television makes, and I used to be able to hear both the 15.734 and 15.750 (black and white or color) signal quite distinctly about 20 years gone now, so if it were up to me to answer your question, I'd have to say no, I personally couldn't tell the difference, which is why I'm keeping my 25-year-old Dhalquist studio monitor speakers rather than investing in some of the newer higher-tech models of today just because the specs are marvellous. Fact is, I'll never hear the difference. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You mean the t set still have thosehigh pitch tones? Shucks And I thought my earing was so great. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:36 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi, André: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:27:36 +0200, you wrote: I thought that the sound quality of smart phones and Windows Pocket devices was not as good as that of genuine mp3 players? If you connect a set of high quality headphones to both types, would you hear the difference? Ah, a man of philosophy as well as technology! grin. That's a very subjective question, depending largely on the aural acuity of the listeners. For my part, I know full well that my ears ain't what they use ta be, many long years ago, as the song says, thanks to living in one of the loudest cities in the world that definitely has the loudest subterranean transportation system in the world, and having spent many long hours in computer rooms and data centers where the noise level was well above the 80dB mark, thanks to air-conditioning, tape drives, and high-speed line- and page-printers that make the devil's own racket. For instance, I can no longer hear the 15.734khz tone the television makes, and I used to be able to hear both the 15.734 and 15.750 (black and white or color) signal quite distinctly about 20 years gone now, so if it were up to me to answer your question, I'd have to say no, I personally couldn't tell the difference, which is why I'm keeping my 25-year-old Dhalquist studio monitor speakers rather than investing in some of the newer higher-tech models of today just because the specs are marvellous. Fact is, I'll never hear the difference. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just downloaded and installed this program. It ROCKS! Thanks for the tip Jonathan. Terese At 07:53 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: Steve, have you tried GSPlayer? It really looks and feels like Winamp. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2008 11:53 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I don't know if the 6800's are yet prepared for as much as a 16 gig card, but certainly a 4gb card would give you enough of a music choice to keep ya happy for a good while. I use my 6800 as a music player, although I do have two very major complaints about it. First, I usually use it with Bluetooth with some very nice Plantronics Bluetooth stereo headphones I got about 15 months ago, but yes, that does help drain one's battery, even if it's the higher-capacity one. Second, I'm not a fan of Windows Media Player, and that's all you get on WM6. Where the heck is Winamp for WM6 is what I want to know. There are other choices, but none as accessible as WMP, clunky and slow to respond as it is. On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:41:04 + (UTC), you wrote: Interesting observation...I have a pretty good smart phone (HTC 6800, Windows Mobile 6.1), and would never think to use it as my primary music player for one reason...Not nearly enough memory. I think it has 128MB on-board, and came with a 512MB mini-SD card. Granted, I could buy a bigger SD card, but I doubt I could get one up to 16GB. I think this is why it's still more common in America to see people with both a phone/PDA device and an MP3 player separately. That, and from what I've heard, the Europeans and Asians have better phones than we do as far as memory, and being able to do multiple things well. For instance, a lot of my friends who used to use the Blackberry always claimed that it was great for email, web browsing, and even music, but awful as a phone. I have to say, the HTC (Sprint Mogul, in my case), seems to do all of it very well. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3482 (20080930) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com TTerese Ann Goren Bring the day spa home. Earn discounts and free products. Find out how Visit my webpage @ www.beautipage.com/Terese Visit our blog at http://brightspotks.livejournal.com/ Vote for our song I'll See You There on American Idol Underground visit http://www.idolunderground.com/tereseann Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't know if the 6800's are yet prepared for as much as a 16 gig card, but certainly a 4gb card would give you enough of a music choice to keep ya happy for a good while. I use my 6800 as a music player, although I do have two very major complaints about it. First, I usually use it with Bluetooth with some very nice Plantronics Bluetooth stereo headphones I got about 15 months ago, but yes, that does help drain one's battery, even if it's the higher-capacity one. Second, I'm not a fan of Windows Media Player, and that's all you get on WM6. Where the heck is Winamp for WM6 is what I want to know. There are other choices, but none as accessible as WMP, clunky and slow to respond as it is. On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:41:04 + (UTC), you wrote: Interesting observation...I have a pretty good smart phone (HTC 6800, Windows Mobile 6.1), and would never think to use it as my primary music player for one reason...Not nearly enough memory. I think it has 128MB on-board, and came with a 512MB mini-SD card. Granted, I could buy a bigger SD card, but I doubt I could get one up to 16GB. I think this is why it's still more common in America to see people with both a phone/PDA device and an MP3 player separately. That, and from what I've heard, the Europeans and Asians have better phones than we do as far as memory, and being able to do multiple things well. For instance, a lot of my friends who used to use the Blackberry always claimed that it was great for email, web browsing, and even music, but awful as a phone. I have to say, the HTC (Sprint Mogul, in my case), seems to do all of it very well. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve, have you tried GSPlayer? It really looks and feels like Winamp. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2008 11:53 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I don't know if the 6800's are yet prepared for as much as a 16 gig card, but certainly a 4gb card would give you enough of a music choice to keep ya happy for a good while. I use my 6800 as a music player, although I do have two very major complaints about it. First, I usually use it with Bluetooth with some very nice Plantronics Bluetooth stereo headphones I got about 15 months ago, but yes, that does help drain one's battery, even if it's the higher-capacity one. Second, I'm not a fan of Windows Media Player, and that's all you get on WM6. Where the heck is Winamp for WM6 is what I want to know. There are other choices, but none as accessible as WMP, clunky and slow to respond as it is. On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:41:04 + (UTC), you wrote: Interesting observation...I have a pretty good smart phone (HTC 6800, Windows Mobile 6.1), and would never think to use it as my primary music player for one reason...Not nearly enough memory. I think it has 128MB on-board, and came with a 512MB mini-SD card. Granted, I could buy a bigger SD card, but I doubt I could get one up to 16GB. I think this is why it's still more common in America to see people with both a phone/PDA device and an MP3 player separately. That, and from what I've heard, the Europeans and Asians have better phones than we do as far as memory, and being able to do multiple things well. For instance, a lot of my friends who used to use the Blackberry always claimed that it was great for email, web browsing, and even music, but awful as a phone. I have to say, the HTC (Sprint Mogul, in my case), seems to do all of it very well. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From what I've read on the Apple site, you do have to be connected and find the options in yout iTunes software. -Original Message- From: David Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I went to Best Buy yesterday and looked at 8 GB model and the clerk could not find a menu choice to turn on speech. Anybody know where to find that option? Is it only available when connected to I-Tunes? - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : Apparently not, word is filtering out as people get them that some of the : items in the Settings menu can't be heard with speech, but a lot of options : do talk. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of mark bishop : Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 11:04 a.m. : To: PC Audio Discussion List : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Does this mean that absolutely everything is accessible? : thanks : Mark Bishop : - Original Message - : From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 PM : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. : : Rick : - Original Message - : From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but : I : haven't seen one, so I don't know. : Cheers : Alex : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Lauren : Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 : To: PC Audio Discussion List : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? : : : Sincerely, : : Lauren : - Original Message - : From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM : Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. : : : -- : Dane Trethowan : From Melton Victoria Australia : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 : Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 : Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 : MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] : skype callto:grtdane12 : : ** : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just ordered one from my Apple Store today, should have it tomorrow some time, in Australia the 8GB version seems to be the only version available at the moment, 16GB comes towards the end of October so I'm told but 8GB is more than enough for me. On 15/09/2008, at 2:22 PM, WES DERBY wrote: Hopefully, Apple is being made aware of the unspoken options and can fix it via a simple download of some sort. My Apple store tells me they'll have the model I want during the middle of the week...Circuit City says they'll have them Friday. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Apparently not, word is filtering out as people get them that some of the items in the Settings menu can't be heard with speech, but a lot of options do talk. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 11:04 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean that absolutely everything is accessible? thanks Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone +61 3 9005 8589 Fax/TTY +61 3 9743 7954 mobile/sms: +614 418 773 532 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll be curious to see how Jaws works with it. I've found it usable but not to the point that I've give up Winamp or stop using Amazon mp3 or Music Giants. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Apparently not, word is filtering out as people get them that some of the items in the Settings menu can't be heard with speech, but a lot of options do talk. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 11:04 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean that absolutely everything is accessible? thanks Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Apparently not, word is filtering out as people get them that some of the items in the Settings menu can't be heard with speech, but a lot of options do talk. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 11:04 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean that absolutely everything is accessible? thanks Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I went to Best Buy yesterday and looked at 8 GB model and the clerk could not find a menu choice to turn on speech. Anybody know where to find that option? Is it only available when connected to I-Tunes? - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : Apparently not, word is filtering out as people get them that some of the : items in the Settings menu can't be heard with speech, but a lot of options : do talk. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of mark bishop : Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 11:04 a.m. : To: PC Audio Discussion List : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Does this mean that absolutely everything is accessible? : thanks : Mark Bishop : - Original Message - : From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 PM : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. : : Rick : - Original Message - : From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but : I : haven't seen one, so I don't know. : Cheers : Alex : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Lauren : Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 : To: PC Audio Discussion List : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? : : : Sincerely, : : Lauren : - Original Message - : From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM : Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. : : : -- : Dane Trethowan : From Melton Victoria Australia : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 : Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 : Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 : MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] : skype callto:grtdane12 : : ** : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : Jonathan Mosen List Founder : Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... : http://www.pc-audio.org : To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does this mean that absolutely everything is accessible? thanks Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hopefully, Apple is being made aware of the unspoken options and can fix it via a simple download of some sort. My Apple store tells me they'll have the model I want during the middle of the week...Circuit City says they'll have them Friday. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:16 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Apparently not, word is filtering out as people get them that some of the items in the Settings menu can't be heard with speech, but a lot of options do talk. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 11:04 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean that absolutely everything is accessible? thanks Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David, that's correct, it's called Voicebox and is a free download from the Rockbox site. I guess I figured that's what we all were using... Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 3:48 p.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I take it that this is a separate utility not included in the RockBox package. What is the name of the utility please. I am real tired of having to figure out what the speech is spelling all the time. Thanks for the help! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : Hi Gary, There is software downloadable from the Rockbox site that does : exactly what the software for the nano is doing. IE, it scans the MP3 player : for files, uses your default speech synthesiser to make recordings of the : albums, folders and file names, and puts those recordings with a special : file extension onto the Rockbox-enabled player. I know, as I've used it : regularly. The only time Rockbox will spell the files out is if you don't : use this utility. : : That said, you can't play Audible or protected iTunes content on Rockbox. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Gary King : Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 12:27 p.m. : To: PC Audio Discussion List : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Jonathan, : : I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty : of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with : Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without : : any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs : is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the : software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice : tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of : : spoken. : : Gary King : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : - Original Message - : From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've : read, : but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to : your : PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using : your : default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files : are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to : your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you : can : hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real : text : to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave : us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra : Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds : off : the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. : : Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? : : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use : text : to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, : where : they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that : live : on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. : : In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of : Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able : to : work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for : iTunes : in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today : and : am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. : Apple have done a good job here. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Alex Stone : Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but : I : haven't seen one, so I don't know. : Cheers : Alex
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This is some great news, but I have to admit I wish they'd included some of the larger-capacity units like the 120GB unit for those of us with huge music collections. I've put in a suggestion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Either way, I think I'll pick up a 16GBunit when one of the Seattle Apple or Best Buy stores gets them in-stock. Wes -Original Message- From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:17 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes indeed, I dare say that will come in time though. On 12/09/2008, at 2:51 PM, WES DERBY wrote: This is some great news, but I have to admit I wish they'd included some of the larger-capacity units like the 120GB unit for those of us with huge music collections. I've put in a suggestion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Either way, I think I'll pick up a 16GBunit when one of the Seattle Apple or Best Buy stores gets them in-stock. Wes -Original Message- From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:17 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone +61 3 9005 8589 Fax/TTY +61 3 9743 7954 mobile/sms: +614 418 773 532 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jonathan, This is great news. I am currently using JFW 6.2 and only tinkered with the new Itunes for a brief moment. I already noticed access to import a WMA file and Itunes automatically converted it to it’s AAC format after I selected convert. I wil have more time for exploration this weekend using older JFW. Best Regards, Cornell From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:56:27 +1200 Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That was actually one of the things I suggested when I emailed the accessibility address at Apple, listed on the page talking about the improvements to iTunes and the Nano. In the response I got, they said the feature was new, and they were definitely looking for feedback and that they'd pass that tip along...In the meantime, they suggest just carrying less music with you and changing out your files often since, as they put it, most people don't use the larger-capacity players anyway...But they seemed to think it was a good idea. So, maybe next time arund. I think I might pick up one of the 16GB units and give it a shot; see what they've done anyway. It's too bad the speech functions aren't backwards-compatible; I'd just install them on my 30GB IPod Video. :) - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:54:33 + (UTC) Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible The nanos go up to 16GB. I am really curious, given the technique they are using to do the speech, why it's not available on all the newer units including the hard drive-based players. Jonathan Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Interesting observation...I have a pretty good smart phone (HTC 6800, Windows Mobile 6.1), and would never think to use it as my primary music player for one reason...Not nearly enough memory. I think it has 128MB on-board, and came with a 512MB mini-SD card. Granted, I could buy a bigger SD card, but I doubt I could get one up to 16GB. I think this is why it's still more common in America to see people with both a phone/PDA device and an MP3 player separately. That, and from what I've heard, the Europeans and Asians have better phones than we do as far as memory, and being able to do multiple things well. For instance, a lot of my friends who used to use the Blackberry always claimed that it was great for email, web browsing, and even music, but awful as a phone. I have to say, the HTC (Sprint Mogul, in my case), seems to do all of it very well. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:56:56 + (UTC) Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio
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Hi Jonathan. We both have the same phone. I have defined a Key to bring up the music menu. When you put music or podcasts on the phone you can also just Take the memmorycard out of the phone and insert it in to your card adaptor and then pop it in to your laptop. I prefer this method of putting music on to a phone. The thing with Apple you have to go to the trouble of converting music in to the player's code and then if the player is accessible you can select and play music of your choice. Did you enjoy your trip to Sight Village in July? - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS
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which Ipod is this? Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:34 AM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible In 100% agreement with you on all that, its great we have a choice. Gary King wrote: Jonathan, I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of spoken. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org
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Jonathan, I guess you're talking about VoiceBox. I looked at it when I first started using Rockbox, but thought it was too difficult to get going at the time. Maybe I should take another look. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Gary, There is software downloadable from the Rockbox site that does exactly what the software for the nano is doing. IE, it scans the MP3 player for files, uses your default speech synthesiser to make recordings of the albums, folders and file names, and puts those recordings with a special file extension onto the Rockbox-enabled player. I know, as I've used it regularly. The only time Rockbox will spell the files out is if you don't use this utility. That said, you can't play Audible or protected iTunes content on Rockbox. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary King Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 12:27 p.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of spoken. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan
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I think it is the one that just came out tuesdayAt 09:48 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote: which Ipod is this? Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:34 AM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible In 100% agreement with you on all that, its great we have a choice. Gary King wrote: Jonathan, I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of spoken. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder
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Well, a quick search on Yahoo lead to the very informative web site http://www.apple.com/accessibility/itunes/vision.html. The iPod in question is the iPod Nano (4th geneteration). I'd suggest following the above link to get all of the formatting and a lot more information, but for those who don't mind the lack of formatting and who want to save themselves a click or two, I'll paste the pertinent parts of the web page below. Introducing Spoken Menus on iPod nano (4th generation) The new iPod nano (4th generation) — the world’s most popular music player — introduces spoken menus that let visually impaired music lovers browse and select songs without viewing the screen. Instead, you’ll hear a synthesized voice speaking the names of menus, songs, and artists. To take advantage of spoken menus, you will need: iPod nano (4th generation) iTunes 8 Mac OS X v10.4.11 or later Windows Vista or Windows XP Home or Professional (Service Pack 3 or later) Enabling spoken menus 4th generation iPod nano preferences in iTunes 8 When you connect the iPod nano (4th generation) to your Mac or PC with iTunes 8, you’ll find a new option in iTunes to “Enable spoken menus for accessibility.” When you sync, iTunes 8 creates spoken descriptions for the contents of your iPod nano using the text-to-speech engine on your computer (in Mac OS X, Windows XP and Windows Vista) and then syncs them to your iPod nano (4th generation) along with your music. iPod nano (4th generation) speaks volumes In Mac OS X, you can choose from a variety of natural-sounding and novelty voices, including Alex, the amazing new English-speaking voice available in Mac OS X Leopard. Using patented Apple speech technology, Alex closely matches the nuances of human speech and can deliver natural intonation even at extraordinarily fast speaking rates. Learn more about Alex. You can also purchase additional English and non-English voices separately. Contact third-party voice providers for further details. In Windows, iTunes 8 uses Microsoft’s Speech API (SAPI) compatible voices to generate spoken menu descriptions. Be sure to enable Text to Speech and choose a voice in the Control Panel in Windows XP or Windows Vista before you enable spoken menus in iTunes 8, since speech may not be enabled by default. Adjusting the speed of the computer’s voice changes the way spoken menus sound on iPod nano (4th generation). In Mac OS X, you can adjust the speaking rate for Alex and other Mac voices in the Speech pane of System Preferences. In Windows XP and Windows Vista, you can adjust the speaking rate for voices using the Text to Speech Control Panel. For more information about setting up spoken menus on iPod nano (4th generation) see “ Enabling Spoken Menus on iPod nano (4th generation) .” Mr. Bill wrote: I think it is the one that just came out tuesdayAt 09:48 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote: which Ipod is this? Mark Bishop - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:34 AM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible In 100% agreement with you on all that, its great we have a choice. Gary King wrote: Jonathan, I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of spoken. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan
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I take it that this is a separate utility not included in the RockBox package. What is the name of the utility please. I am real tired of having to figure out what the speech is spelling all the time. Thanks for the help! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : Hi Gary, There is software downloadable from the Rockbox site that does : exactly what the software for the nano is doing. IE, it scans the MP3 player : for files, uses your default speech synthesiser to make recordings of the : albums, folders and file names, and puts those recordings with a special : file extension onto the Rockbox-enabled player. I know, as I've used it : regularly. The only time Rockbox will spell the files out is if you don't : use this utility. : : That said, you can't play Audible or protected iTunes content on Rockbox. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Gary King : Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 12:27 p.m. : To: PC Audio Discussion List : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Jonathan, : : I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty : of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with : Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without : : any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs : is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the : software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice : tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of : : spoken. : : Gary King : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : - Original Message - : From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : : Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've : read, : but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to : your : PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using : your : default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files : are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to : your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you : can : hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real : text : to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave : us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra : Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds : off : the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. : : Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? : : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen : Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use : text : to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, : where : they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that : live : on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. : : In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of : Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able : to : work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for : iTunes : in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today : and : am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. : Apple have done a good job here. : : Jonathan : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Alex Stone : Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. : To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' : Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible : : Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but : I : haven't seen one, so I don't know. : Cheers : Alex : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : On Behalf Of Lauren : Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 : To: PC Audio Discussion List : Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible : : If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? : : : Sincerely, : : Lauren : - Original Message - : From: Dane Trethowan
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If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The newest version of the Ipod nano units. Rick - Original Message - From: Tiffany Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible what is a 4th generation nano? Tiffany - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jonathan, Agreed, the new iTunes is great! --Check out my radio! http://www.jls-radio.com -- On Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 08:56 PM (GMT), Jonathan Mosen wrote: Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3432 (20080910) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- James Scholes E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN/Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: JamesScholes000 Skype: james.scholes Website: http://www.jamesscholes.com Blog: http://www.jamesscholes.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jamesscholes Find me on Facebook! Username: jamesscholes Link to Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1375965156hiq=jamesscholes Last.FM Profile: http://www.last.fm/user/jamesscholes000 -- Message sent at 09:14:19 PM GMT on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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what is considedred a 4th generation nano though? like how big memory wise? Tiffany - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible according to an article I read on another list Apple said the 4 th gen nano's had speech built in to the players and could be used on the go by blind users. Rick - Original Message - From: Stephen Guerra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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2 and 4 gb I believe from what I found on Google. Rick - Original Message - From: Tiffany Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible what is considedred a 4th generation nano though? like how big memory wise? Tiffany - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible according to an article I read on another list Apple said the 4 th gen nano's had speech built in to the players and could be used on the go by blind users. Rick - Original Message - From: Stephen Guerra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The nanos go up to 16GB. I am really curious, given the technique they are using to do the speech, why it's not available on all the newer units including the hard drive-based players. Jonathan Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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according to an article I read on another list Apple said the 4 th gen nano's had speech built in to the players and could be used on the go by blind users. Rick - Original Message - From: Stephen Guerra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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but it is only compatible with windows eyes, am i reading that right? i want to be able to use itunes but i use jaws not windows eyes. is there a place where i can download window eyes and install it? Tiffany - Original Message - From: James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Jonathan, Agreed, the new iTunes is great! --Check out my radio! http://www.jls-radio.com -- On Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 08:56 PM (GMT), Jonathan Mosen wrote: Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3432 (20080910) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- James Scholes E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN/Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: JamesScholes000 Skype: james.scholes Website: http://www.jamesscholes.com Blog: http://www.jamesscholes.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jamesscholes Find me on Facebook! Username: jamesscholes Link to Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1375965156hiq=jamesscholes Last.FM Profile: http://www.last.fm/user/jamesscholes000 -- Message sent at 09:14:19 PM GMT on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i haven't had any problems with window eyes and ituens beta 3 of we and there is no set or scripts needed everything is accessible - Original Message - From: Stephen Guerra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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what is a 4th generation nano? Tiffany - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Fourth generation Nano's are equipped with voice on menus. Rick - Original Message - From: Alex Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yes really. that is kind of odd, i think. Tiffany - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible The nanos go up to 16GB. I am really curious, given the technique they are using to do the speech, why it's not available on all the newer units including the hard drive-based players. Jonathan Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi the Apple I-phones are touch screen. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, are they still using touch-screens or have they switched to buttons? Or am I mistaking this with something else? Bruce On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:54:33 +1200, Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The nanos go up to 16GB. I am really curious, given the technique they are using to do the speech, why it's not available on all the newer units including the hard drive-based players. Jonathan Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 10/09/2008 06:00 Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Jonathan, are they still using touch-screens or have they switched to buttons? Or am I mistaking this with something else? Bruce On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:54:33 +1200, Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The nanos go up to 16GB. I am really curious, given the technique they are using to do the speech, why it's not available on all the newer units including the hard drive-based players. Jonathan Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lauren this is true, but do keep in mind that without a PC or mac, the nano is useless anyway since you need to load music onto it. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:45 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean you cannot use the device without a PC? It will not speak menus when you want to choose the songs, etc. on the device itself? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank
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cool. thanks Rick. Tiffany - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible 2 and 4 gb I believe from what I found on Google. Rick - Original Message - From: Tiffany Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible what is considedred a 4th generation nano though? like how big memory wise? Tiffany - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible according to an article I read on another list Apple said the 4 th gen nano's had speech built in to the players and could be used on the go by blind users. Rick - Original Message - From: Stephen Guerra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen
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Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from
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Thanks, I stand corrected. Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible The nanos go up to 16GB. I am really curious, given the technique they are using to do the speech, why it's not available on all the newer units including the hard drive-based players. Jonathan Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does this mean you cannot use the device without a PC? It will not speak menus when you want to choose the songs, etc. on the device itself? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jonathan, Doesn't playing music on your phone rapidly run your batteries down? And what about quality? I have a phone capable of playing music but I haven't really ever tried it out. Thanks, Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org
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I could be wrong here but there are systems out there which will load tracks onto an Ipod (though I grant you the speech functionality probably wouldn't work smile) I'm sure I've read about a couple of Panasonic systems which are now available, they have some sort of arrangement whereby the user can copy a whole CD or tracks of same to an Ipod? On 11/09/2008, at 7:57 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Lauren this is true, but do keep in mind that without a PC or mac, the nano is useless anyway since you need to load music onto it. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:45 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean you cannot use the device without a PC? It will not speak menus when you want to choose the songs, etc. on the device itself? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder
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Yes that's indeed true but managing playlists for a couple of thousand songs can be a challenge for the best of us smile. Ipod Nanos are far cheaper than say mobile phones and getting Talks or Mobile Speak put on them, not to mention (in the case of the N95 phone at least), more practical as the sound quality is far better. Yes, its taken Apple a while to get things done but thankfully we've had a lot of patient people who have presented Apple with feedback about their products rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible smile. So finally, I take my hat off to everyone who writes to Apple and other company's with feedback about the products their using, glad its not jut me smile. On 11/09/2008, at 7:23 AM, saqib wrote: Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help
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Sounds very nice. Thanks for the information. Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Rick, it depends on what else you're doing. On my N82, I get about 10-12 hours of continuous music on a plane, that is to say when the phone functions aren't running. It's less when they are, and less again if you have WiFi active. Some of the new Nokia phones offer over 24 hours of music playback though. Another advantage of going with the Nokia phones is their built-in support for podcasting. I was in a meeting in another city a couple of days ago. On my way to the airport, I used a HSDPA connection to download a bunch of podcasts and catch up with the news in-flight. The podcast client remembers your place in each podcast. There is a DAISY player for Symbian as well, so you can read newspapers from Newsline etc on it. The N82 will also play Audible content. And even though I don't have one of the phones with longer music playback time because I use the KNFB Reader which only works on the N82 for now, I have a tiny device with me that is a 3400 MA battery, allowing me to charge the phone 3 times. The battery in turn then charges via a wall outlet or USB port. So for me, carrying an iPod, a Stream, or whatever it might be makes no sense. A smartphone does so much more and is in your pocket for a range of uses. In the US, obviously NLS may be a factor, but it isn't for me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:22 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, Doesn't playing music on your phone rapidly run your batteries down? And what about quality? I have a phone capable of playing music but I haven't really ever tried it out. Thanks, Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive
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8GB and 16GB On 11/09/2008, at 6:49 AM, Rick Harmon wrote: 2 and 4 gb I believe from what I found on Google. Rick - Original Message - From: Tiffany Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible what is considedred a 4th generation nano though? like how big memory wise? Tiffany - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible according to an article I read on another list Apple said the 4 th gen nano's had speech built in to the players and could be used on the go by blind users. Rick - Original Message - From: Stephen Guerra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send
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If this is the case, then the talking nano is seriously flawed, since you must connect a computer to it to get the speech recordings of your tracks and albums. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 11:21 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I could be wrong here but there are systems out there which will load tracks onto an Ipod (though I grant you the speech functionality probably wouldn't work smile) I'm sure I've read about a couple of Panasonic systems which are now available, they have some sort of arrangement whereby the user can copy a whole CD or tracks of same to an Ipod? On 11/09/2008, at 7:57 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Lauren this is true, but do keep in mind that without a PC or mac, the nano is useless anyway since you need to load music onto it. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:45 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean you cannot use the device without a PC? It will not speak menus when you want to choose the songs, etc. on the device itself? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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In response to the question Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech?I also think you need to have iTunes 8 on your PC. I don't think you need to install any software on the Nano though. Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Rick, it depends on what else you're doing. On my N82, I get about 10-12 hours of continuous music on a plane, that is to say when the phone functions aren't running. It's less when they are, and less again if you have WiFi active. Some of the new Nokia phones offer over 24 hours of music playback though. Another advantage of going with the Nokia phones is their built-in support for podcasting. I was in a meeting in another city a couple of days ago. On my way to the airport, I used a HSDPA connection to download a bunch of podcasts and catch up with the news in-flight. The podcast client remembers your place in each podcast. There is a DAISY player for Symbian as well, so you can read newspapers from Newsline etc on it. The N82 will also play Audible content. And even though I don't have one of the phones with longer music playback time because I use the KNFB Reader which only works on the N82 for now, I have a tiny device with me that is a 3400 MA battery, allowing me to charge the phone 3 times. The battery in turn then charges via a wall outlet or USB port. So for me, carrying an iPod, a Stream, or whatever it might be makes no sense. A smartphone does so much more and is in your pocket for a range of uses. In the US, obviously NLS may be a factor, but it isn't for me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:22 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, Doesn't playing music on your phone rapidly run your batteries down? And what about quality? I have a phone capable of playing music but I haven't really ever tried it out. Thanks, Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able
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Hi, Is there an Ipod that after you download the songs using a PC that you can take on the road and have it be accessible? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Sounds very nice. Thanks for the information. Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Rick, it depends on what else you're doing. On my N82, I get about 10-12 hours of continuous music on a plane, that is to say when the phone functions aren't running. It's less when they are, and less again if you have WiFi active. Some of the new Nokia phones offer over 24 hours of music playback though. Another advantage of going with the Nokia phones is their built-in support for podcasting. I was in a meeting in another city a couple of days ago. On my way to the airport, I used a HSDPA connection to download a bunch of podcasts and catch up with the news in-flight. The podcast client remembers your place in each podcast. There is a DAISY player for Symbian as well, so you can read newspapers from Newsline etc on it. The N82 will also play Audible content. And even though I don't have one of the phones with longer music playback time because I use the KNFB Reader which only works on the N82 for now, I have a tiny device with me that is a 3400 MA battery, allowing me to charge the phone 3 times. The battery in turn then charges via a wall outlet or USB port. So for me, carrying an iPod, a Stream, or whatever it might be makes no sense. A smartphone does so much more and is in your pocket for a range of uses. In the US, obviously NLS may be a factor, but it isn't for me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:22 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, Doesn't playing music on your phone rapidly run your batteries down? And what about quality? I have a phone capable of playing music but I haven't really ever tried it out. Thanks, Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10
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Yes, this is what the nano will do. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 12:06 p.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi, Is there an Ipod that after you download the songs using a PC that you can take on the road and have it be accessible? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Sounds very nice. Thanks for the information. Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Rick, it depends on what else you're doing. On my N82, I get about 10-12 hours of continuous music on a plane, that is to say when the phone functions aren't running. It's less when they are, and less again if you have WiFi active. Some of the new Nokia phones offer over 24 hours of music playback though. Another advantage of going with the Nokia phones is their built-in support for podcasting. I was in a meeting in another city a couple of days ago. On my way to the airport, I used a HSDPA connection to download a bunch of podcasts and catch up with the news in-flight. The podcast client remembers your place in each podcast. There is a DAISY player for Symbian as well, so you can read newspapers from Newsline etc on it. The N82 will also play Audible content. And even though I don't have one of the phones with longer music playback time because I use the KNFB Reader which only works on the N82 for now, I have a tiny device with me that is a 3400 MA battery, allowing me to charge the phone 3 times. The battery in turn then charges via a wall outlet or USB port. So for me, carrying an iPod, a Stream, or whatever it might be makes no sense. A smartphone does so much more and is in your pocket for a range of uses. In the US, obviously NLS may be a factor, but it isn't for me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:22 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, Doesn't playing music on your phone rapidly run your batteries down? And what about quality? I have a phone capable of playing music but I haven't really ever tried it out. Thanks, Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you
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As I'm aware you can use it with both Mac and Windows. On 11/09/2008, at 7:44 AM, Lauren wrote: Does this mean you cannot use the device without a PC? It will not speak menus when you want to choose the songs, etc. on the device itself? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email
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Well, I don't agree with the statement rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible, and yes I did notice the smiley at the end! IMHO, blind people are people too, and this means that we share the positive and not so positive characteristics of our sighted counterparts. I don't think the blind are any more likely to sit back and whine than the sighted. I'm on quite a few lists that have nothing to do with blindness, and I've never found that the blind have a corner on the sit back and whine market. Although I disagree with statements like this, that imply the blind are more defensive, lazier or whinier than our sighted counterparts, I do agree with the sentiment that we need to give companies balanced and constructive feedback on our accessibility needs. I don't think rants on the malevolence of Microsoft and Nokia are productive, just like I don't think sermons on how saintly Apple is are beneficial. That's just my $0.02, and it's probably not even worth that! Dane Trethowan wrote: Yes that's indeed true but managing playlists for a couple of thousand songs can be a challenge for the best of us smile. Ipod Nanos are far cheaper than say mobile phones and getting Talks or Mobile Speak put on them, not to mention (in the case of the N95 phone at least), more practical as the sound quality is far better. Yes, its taken Apple a while to get things done but thankfully we've had a lot of patient people who have presented Apple with feedback about their products rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible smile. So finally, I take my hat off to everyone who writes to Apple and other company's with feedback about the products their using, glad its not jut me smile. On 11/09/2008, at 7:23 AM, saqib wrote: Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now
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Indeed! but (as you said) most people use their Ipods with a computer of some description using Windows or a Mac. On 11/09/2008, at 9:26 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: If this is the case, then the talking nano is seriously flawed, since you must connect a computer to it to get the speech recordings of your tracks and albums. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 11:21 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I could be wrong here but there are systems out there which will load tracks onto an Ipod (though I grant you the speech functionality probably wouldn't work smile) I'm sure I've read about a couple of Panasonic systems which are now available, they have some sort of arrangement whereby the user can copy a whole CD or tracks of same to an Ipod? On 11/09/2008, at 7:57 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Lauren this is true, but do keep in mind that without a PC or mac, the nano is useless anyway since you need to load music onto it. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:45 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Does this mean you cannot use the device without a PC? It will not speak menus when you want to choose the songs, etc. on the device itself? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio
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Jonathan, I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of spoken. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc
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I'd like to think I'm wrong as well but sadly (whether you agree nor not) its all too true. Christopher Chaltain wrote: Well, I don't agree with the statement rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible, and yes I did notice the smiley at the end! IMHO, blind people are people too, and this means that we share the positive and not so positive characteristics of our sighted counterparts. I don't think the blind are any more likely to sit back and whine than the sighted. I'm on quite a few lists that have nothing to do with blindness, and I've never found that the blind have a corner on the sit back and whine market. Although I disagree with statements like this, that imply the blind are more defensive, lazier or whinier than our sighted counterparts, I do agree with the sentiment that we need to give companies balanced and constructive feedback on our accessibility needs. I don't think rants on the malevolence of Microsoft and Nokia are productive, just like I don't think sermons on how saintly Apple is are beneficial. That's just my $0.02, and it's probably not even worth that! Dane Trethowan wrote: Yes that's indeed true but managing playlists for a couple of thousand songs can be a challenge for the best of us smile. Ipod Nanos are far cheaper than say mobile phones and getting Talks or Mobile Speak put on them, not to mention (in the case of the N95 phone at least), more practical as the sound quality is far better. Yes, its taken Apple a while to get things done but thankfully we've had a lot of patient people who have presented Apple with feedback about their products rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible smile. So finally, I take my hat off to everyone who writes to Apple and other company's with feedback about the products their using, glad its not jut me smile. On 11/09/2008, at 7:23 AM, saqib wrote: Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
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Yes, you do need Itunes 8 and only that, no extra software on the Nano. Christopher Chaltain wrote: In response to the question Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech?I also think you need to have iTunes 8 on your PC. I don't think you need to install any software on the Nano though. Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org
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Yes, if you read down through this thread far enough, I think you'll see that if you have an iPod Nano (4th generation) and iTunes version 8 on your Mac or PC then you can set it up so that the Nano will given you spoken menus as well as spoken file and track names. Furthermore, iTunes version 8 is also accessible with Winows-Eyes and JAWS, so you can use it to populate your Nano with music, pod casts and so on. Lauren wrote: Hi, Is there an Ipod that after you download the songs using a PC that you can take on the road and have it be accessible? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Sounds very nice. Thanks for the information. Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Rick, it depends on what else you're doing. On my N82, I get about 10-12 hours of continuous music on a plane, that is to say when the phone functions aren't running. It's less when they are, and less again if you have WiFi active. Some of the new Nokia phones offer over 24 hours of music playback though. Another advantage of going with the Nokia phones is their built-in support for podcasting. I was in a meeting in another city a couple of days ago. On my way to the airport, I used a HSDPA connection to download a bunch of podcasts and catch up with the news in-flight. The podcast client remembers your place in each podcast. There is a DAISY player for Symbian as well, so you can read newspapers from Newsline etc on it. The N82 will also play Audible content. And even though I don't have one of the phones with longer music playback time because I use the KNFB Reader which only works on the N82 for now, I have a tiny device with me that is a 3400 MA battery, allowing me to charge the phone 3 times. The battery in turn then charges via a wall outlet or USB port. So for me, carrying an iPod, a Stream, or whatever it might be makes no sense. A smartphone does so much more and is in your pocket for a range of uses. In the US, obviously NLS may be a factor, but it isn't for me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:22 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, Doesn't playing music on your phone rapidly run your batteries down? And what about quality? I have a phone capable of playing music but I haven't really ever tried it out. Thanks, Rick - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Saqib, I completely agree with you. I have no need for a Nano when I have an N82. But I think the reason why iPods and other stand-alone playback devices are so big in North America is that they have nowhere near a strong a smartphone culture as Europe, Asia and other places. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of saqib Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 9:24 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday
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Hi Gary, There is software downloadable from the Rockbox site that does exactly what the software for the nano is doing. IE, it scans the MP3 player for files, uses your default speech synthesiser to make recordings of the albums, folders and file names, and puts those recordings with a special file extension onto the Rockbox-enabled player. I know, as I've used it regularly. The only time Rockbox will spell the files out is if you don't use this utility. That said, you can't play Audible or protected iTunes content on Rockbox. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary King Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 12:27 p.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of spoken. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines
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With one exception... The democrats and Republicans here in the USA. No one and I mean no one fights more than they do. Rick - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I'd like to think it to be wrong as well, but I was sighted for 40 years and never saw the types of complaining and fighting and whining from other sighted persons that I've seen on blind mailing lists from many blind persons over the last 4 years since I lost my sight. The blind community sadly is far more fragmented from in fighting probably more than any sighted group I've seen. Rick - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I'd like to think I'm wrong as well but sadly (whether you agree nor not) its all too true. Christopher Chaltain wrote: Well, I don't agree with the statement rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible, and yes I did notice the smiley at the end! IMHO, blind people are people too, and this means that we share the positive and not so positive characteristics of our sighted counterparts. I don't think the blind are any more likely to sit back and whine than the sighted. I'm on quite a few lists that have nothing to do with blindness, and I've never found that the blind have a corner on the sit back and whine market. Although I disagree with statements like this, that imply the blind are more defensive, lazier or whinier than our sighted counterparts, I do agree with the sentiment that we need to give companies balanced and constructive feedback on our accessibility needs. I don't think rants on the malevolence of Microsoft and Nokia are productive, just like I don't think sermons on how saintly Apple is are beneficial. That's just my $0.02, and it's probably not even worth that! Dane Trethowan wrote: Yes that's indeed true but managing playlists for a couple of thousand songs can be a challenge for the best of us smile. Ipod Nanos are far cheaper than say mobile phones and getting Talks or Mobile Speak put on them, not to mention (in the case of the N95 phone at least), more practical as the sound quality is far better. Yes, its taken Apple a while to get things done but thankfully we've had a lot of patient people who have presented Apple with feedback about their products rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible smile. So finally, I take my hat off to everyone who writes to Apple and other company's with feedback about the products their using, glad its not jut me smile. On 11/09/2008, at 7:23 AM, saqib wrote: Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion
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I'd like to think it to be wrong as well, but I was sighted for 40 years and never saw the types of complaining and fighting and whining from other sighted persons that I've seen on blind mailing lists from many blind persons over the last 4 years since I lost my sight. The blind community sadly is far more fragmented from in fighting probably more than any sighted group I've seen. Rick - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I'd like to think I'm wrong as well but sadly (whether you agree nor not) its all too true. Christopher Chaltain wrote: Well, I don't agree with the statement rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible, and yes I did notice the smiley at the end! IMHO, blind people are people too, and this means that we share the positive and not so positive characteristics of our sighted counterparts. I don't think the blind are any more likely to sit back and whine than the sighted. I'm on quite a few lists that have nothing to do with blindness, and I've never found that the blind have a corner on the sit back and whine market. Although I disagree with statements like this, that imply the blind are more defensive, lazier or whinier than our sighted counterparts, I do agree with the sentiment that we need to give companies balanced and constructive feedback on our accessibility needs. I don't think rants on the malevolence of Microsoft and Nokia are productive, just like I don't think sermons on how saintly Apple is are beneficial. That's just my $0.02, and it's probably not even worth that! Dane Trethowan wrote: Yes that's indeed true but managing playlists for a couple of thousand songs can be a challenge for the best of us smile. Ipod Nanos are far cheaper than say mobile phones and getting Talks or Mobile Speak put on them, not to mention (in the case of the N95 phone at least), more practical as the sound quality is far better. Yes, its taken Apple a while to get things done but thankfully we've had a lot of patient people who have presented Apple with feedback about their products rather than just being content to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible smile. So finally, I take my hat off to everyone who writes to Apple and other company's with feedback about the products their using, glad its not jut me smile. On 11/09/2008, at 7:23 AM, saqib wrote: Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen to music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so long to meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their attitude was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. It's good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility factor but this wasn't the case before. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums
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In 100% agreement with you on all that, its great we have a choice. Gary King wrote: Jonathan, I probably won't be buying a new iPod Nano since I have an N82 with plenty of storage and several other players including my old iRiver H120 with Rockbox, but I'm glad that Apple finally produced an iPod we can use without any modification. It's also nice that the voice tagging of menus and songs is done automatically by iTunes once the feature is activated in the software. Rockbox is nice also, but there's no automated way of voice tagging songs, and we have to settle for the titles being spelled instead of spoken. Gary King [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've read, but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is connected to your PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. Using your default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, files are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then copied to your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, you can hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having real text to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at Rockbox gave us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it feeds off the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not use text to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 years, where they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files that live on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive use of Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will be able to work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for iTunes in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this today and am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many others. Apple have done a good job here. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is accessible, but I haven't seen one, so I don't know. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? Sincerely, Lauren - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL
