Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
I think you can have more on the device, just not more than that in any one file. I guess recording TV wouldn't be possible in 98, it runs about 2 gigs per hour on mpeg-2, heh. - Original Message - From: Curtis Delzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to have as well. Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) grin Curtis Delzer At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying side 2, side 3, etc. and also I don't keep, this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or so many pages on so many sides, in digital format, (again just my opinion, it is not needed, and, to skip such and such in this book, fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, or the beginning of the book. The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the reversed sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. I just recorded, finished, Undue Influence, by Steven Martini tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial recording before processing. At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. Well, this is off list, so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, what are we here fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done many hundred books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, going in sounded like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds fantastic! I, presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
I played around with a demo of SF someone had once, I think I like the interface better, for what it's worth, the synthesis feature is easier to use. Now, it's just detecting in software what you synthesize so it might actually be of some use for something. Some guy on a forum online says his system detects and responds to tones in files completely with software, maybe he went overkill and used dragon preferred or something. - Original Message - From: Tyler Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions That is, after you spend the $200 for soundforge, and why I am stil wondering why does sound forge cost so much compaired to gold wave, unless it has 200 features that gold wave doesn't, I'm not spending that much. Not after I spend $50, at the most, for gold wave, and why I'm buying gold wave. Tyler - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I believe in Gold Wave. It's gotten a lot of knocking over the years from people who sincerely believe that anything other than Sound Forge is a hopeless program to use. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Curtis Delzer wrote: What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to have as well. Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) grin Curtis Delzer At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying side 2, side 3, etc. and also I don't keep, this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or so many pages on so many sides, in digital format, (again just my opinion, it is not needed, and, to skip such and such in this book, fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
I bet studio recorder is expensive as SF, they barely added dynamic compression and mixing. I think it only accepts 44.1 sample rate, if you feed it 48k, some programs do want to output to that by default, don't think it will work. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Tyler! For most people most of the time Goldwave does everything they need. Most of the things that Sound Forge can do that Goldwave can't are not even understood by most people, me included. Not so long ago Sound Forge cost three times what it does now. Liken it to a cell phone. I have a cheap cell phone. I place and receive calls. Some people do the same thing with a Blackberry and that's all they use it for. As far as those people are concerned both devices do the same thing so why should they spend $500 when they can get by for $20? Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! New DEC-TALK USB: $650.00, www.chirpingbat.com/dectalkusb.shtml ! Gyration RF Wireless 100 foot range keyboard: $199.00, www.chirpingbat.com/rfkeyboard.shtml ! J-Say without Naturally Speaking: Standard $345.00, Professional $575.00, www.chirpingbat.com/j-say.shtml ! Window Eyes 5.0: $700, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/windoweyes.shtml ! Triple Talk: USB $450, PCI $350, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/tripletalk.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! We accept PayPal Visa, Mastercard, money orders, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Curtis! I can't sell you Noise Reduction 2.0 for $75 and neither will Sony. But the good news is that you can probably use your old Noise Reduction 2.0. Go to www.sony.com/mediasoftware and click on My Account. Sign up there and see what software Sony has registered to you. If Noise Reduction 2.0 shows up there then you're good to go. If it doesn't show up there call Sony at 1-800-577-6642 and explain your problem. They will probably help you out. I can call them on your behalf if you'd rather. I do it often for customers. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! New DEC-TALK USB: $650.00, www.chirpingbat.com/dectalkusb.shtml ! Gyration RF Wireless 100 foot range keyboard: $199.00, www.chirpingbat.com/rfkeyboard.shtml ! J-Say without Naturally Speaking: Standard $345.00, Professional $575.00, www.chirpingbat.com/j-say.shtml ! Window Eyes 5.0: $700, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/windoweyes.shtml ! Triple Talk: USB $450, PCI $350, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/tripletalk.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! We accept PayPal Visa, Mastercard, money orders, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Thanks, the problem is that this computer had it on it when I got it, oh well. I'll probably call them and see what they say about it. At 10:07 AM 1/7/2006, you wrote: Curtis! I can't sell you Noise Reduction 2.0 for $75 and neither will Sony. But the good news is that you can probably use your old Noise Reduction 2.0. Go to www.sony.com/mediasoftware and click on My Account. Sign up there and see what software Sony has registered to you. If Noise Reduction 2.0 shows up there then you're good to go. If it doesn't show up there call Sony at 1-800-577-6642 and explain your problem. They will probably help you out. I can call them on your behalf if you'd rather. I do it often for customers. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! New DEC-TALK USB: $650.00, www.chirpingbat.com/dectalkusb.shtml ! Gyration RF Wireless 100 foot range keyboard: $199.00, www.chirpingbat.com/rfkeyboard.shtml ! J-Say without Naturally Speaking: Standard $345.00, Professional $575.00, www.chirpingbat.com/j-say.shtml ! Window Eyes 5.0: $700, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/windoweyes.shtml ! Triple Talk: USB $450, PCI $350, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/tripletalk.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! We accept PayPal Visa, Mastercard, money orders, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
No, I'm encoding initially at 44,100 double speed tape then sampling down to 22.500 or whatever it is. I've never had a problem with disks being filled, probably because I don't save in wav formats. I don't know much about it, but it appears that the .pca (perfect clarity audio) is some kind of a compression scheme. Since I double speed everything that goes into the Book Port, that file is reduced by at least half and actually a little more than half by the time it hits my flash card. I have a 2 gig flash card in there, so no worries about ever running out, especially since I'm compressing the audio. Truthfully, considering the space I save, and considering the quality of NLS tapes in the first place, 24 KBPS sounds absolutely fine for what I'm doing. I always change them to mono as part of the digitization process anyway. I was encoding at 16 KBPS when I had a lower capacity flash card in the Book Port. Sixteen KBPS is acceptable for an NLS book or magazine, but it's not pretty, and it's not what you would want to quietly move to a CD for later reading some day down the road. I always knew that as soon as I was done with the book or the mag, I'd delete it. As for taking out references to the cassette, in the magazines, when I digitize the table of contents, I even take out that side one tone 3 type stuff. What's left is the story name, the page number on which it appears, and the reading time. I refuse to tinker with those files much more than that; after a while, you start getting to a point where you're putting more work into the digitization process than it's worth, unless you're going to keep the book or magazine as some kind of lovely little keepsake thingy. So far, I haven't read a book good enough to warrant keeping it around forever and ever. Nolan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:21 PM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to have as well. Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) grin Curtis Delzer At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label each region paying very close
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Well, wait then! I bought CD Architect with Sound Forge. How can I be sure I really don't have the plug-in? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richer Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:55 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Noise Reduction 2.0 does come with Sound forge 8.0 currently as well as CD Architect 5.2 for $225. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96: Digital Audio Recorder: $375.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Tascam FW1884: $1,199.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Edirol R-1: high quality portable stereo Compact Flash audio recorder with USB, $400.00, www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Native Instruments Elektrik Piano: $199.00 ! Try Edirol for professional audio capture, audio playback and low latency MIDI applications: http://www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Delta 66: $190 includes delivery in the USA, $220 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/delta.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! Giga Studio 3.0 Ensemble: $289 includes delivery in the USA, $319 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/gigastudio.shtml ! Sonar: 4.0: Studio $299, Producer $599, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/sonar.shtml ! We take PayPal, Visa, Mastercard, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
in my version, the noise reduction plug in is on a separate cd... Hope this helps, Judy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nolan Crabb Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:20 AM To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Well, wait then! I bought CD Architect with Sound Forge. How can I be sure I really don't have the plug-in? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richer Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:55 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Noise Reduction 2.0 does come with Sound forge 8.0 currently as well as CD Architect 5.2 for $225. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96: Digital Audio Recorder: $375.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Tascam FW1884: $1,199.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Edirol R-1: high quality portable stereo Compact Flash audio recorder with USB, $400.00, www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Native Instruments Elektrik Piano: $199.00 ! Try Edirol for professional audio capture, audio playback and low latency MIDI applications: http://www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Delta 66: $190 includes delivery in the USA, $220 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/delta.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! Giga Studio 3.0 Ensemble: $289 includes delivery in the USA, $319 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/gigastudio.shtml ! Sonar: 4.0: Studio $299, Producer $599, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/sonar.shtml ! We take PayPal, Visa, Mastercard, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
If I have this version of Noise Reduction from a previous version of Sound Forge, can I continue to use it with version 8? Gary King, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jerry Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Sony's Noise Reduction is in fact called Noise Reduction 2.0 and would have come on a separate CD. Noise Reduction by itself from the Sony web site is $279.99 but you can purchase Sound Forge 8.0, Noise Reduction 2.0 and CD Architect 5.2 from Chirping Bat for $225, includes shipping within the United States. Noise Reduction 2.0 is not part of Sound Forge. It is a separate product. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! New DEC-TALK USB: $650.00, www.chirpingbat.com/dectalkusb.shtml ! Gyration RF Wireless 100 foot range keyboard: $199.00, www.chirpingbat.com/rfkeyboard.shtml ! J-Say without Naturally Speaking: Standard $345.00, Professional $575.00, www.chirpingbat.com/j-say.shtml ! Window Eyes 5.0: $700, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/windoweyes.shtml ! Triple Talk: USB $450, PCI $350, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/tripletalk.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! We accept PayPal Visa, Mastercard, money orders, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/06 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Even as an update to SF 5.0? My wife payed $149 for that for me for Christmas, so both for $225? I mean can I pay $75 more now for the 2.0A version of the NR? I have mine on an old computer, preinstalled so probably have to buy a new install for it. Thanks! Curtis Delzer At 04:54 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote: Noise Reduction 2.0 does come with Sound forge 8.0 currently as well as CD Architect 5.2 for $225. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96: Digital Audio Recorder: $375.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Tascam FW1884: $1,199.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Edirol R-1: high quality portable stereo Compact Flash audio recorder with USB, $400.00, www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Native Instruments Elektrik Piano: $199.00 ! Try Edirol for professional audio capture, audio playback and low latency MIDI applications: http://www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Delta 66: $190 includes delivery in the USA, $220 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/delta.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! Giga Studio 3.0 Ensemble: $289 includes delivery in the USA, $319 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/gigastudio.shtml ! Sonar: 4.0: Studio $299, Producer $599, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/sonar.shtml ! We take PayPal, Visa, Mastercard, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
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Oh yeah but while you're recording you're writing *.wav files by default, no matter what you save too, that was why I was wondering. You must have NFS (or whatever the native XP file system is, mine was updated from 98 and I wanted to have access at the system level from dos so still use fat32. Why do you write 2 compressed files since if the native source is *.wav you could just write your *.mp3 files from it which would be closer to source and save you a step, just curious. Curtis Delzer At 04:55 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote: No, I'm encoding initially at 44,100 double speed tape then sampling down to 22.500 or whatever it is. I've never had a problem with disks being filled, probably because I don't save in wav formats. I don't know much about it, but it appears that the .pca (perfect clarity audio) is some kind of a compression scheme. Since I double speed everything that goes into the Book Port, that file is reduced by at least half and actually a little more than half by the time it hits my flash card. I have a 2 gig flash card in there, so no worries about ever running out, especially since I'm compressing the audio. Truthfully, considering the space I save, and considering the quality of NLS tapes in the first place, 24 KBPS sounds absolutely fine for what I'm doing. I always change them to mono as part of the digitization process anyway. I was encoding at 16 KBPS when I had a lower capacity flash card in the Book Port. Sixteen KBPS is acceptable for an NLS book or magazine, but it's not pretty, and it's not what you would want to quietly move to a CD for later reading some day down the road. I always knew that as soon as I was done with the book or the mag, I'd delete it. As for taking out references to the cassette, in the magazines, when I digitize the table of contents, I even take out that side one tone 3 type stuff. What's left is the story name, the page number on which it appears, and the reading time. I refuse to tinker with those files much more than that; after a while, you start getting to a point where you're putting more work into the digitization process than it's worth, unless you're going to keep the book or magazine as some kind of lovely little keepsake thingy. So far, I haven't read a book good enough to warrant keeping it around forever and ever. Nolan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:21 PM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to have as well. Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) grin Curtis Delzer At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which is just about
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Jerry, What is there about version 8 and CD Architect that should make one upgrade from version 6? Regards, Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Jerry Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:54 AM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Noise Reduction 2.0 does come with Sound forge 8.0 currently as well as CD Architect 5.2 for $225. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96: Digital Audio Recorder: $375.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Tascam FW1884: $1,199.00, includes shipping in the continental United States ! Edirol R-1: high quality portable stereo Compact Flash audio recorder with USB, $400.00, www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Native Instruments Elektrik Piano: $199.00 ! Try Edirol for professional audio capture, audio playback and low latency MIDI applications: http://www.chirpingbat.com/edirol.shtml ! Delta 66: $190 includes delivery in the USA, $220 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/delta.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! Giga Studio 3.0 Ensemble: $289 includes delivery in the USA, $319 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/gigastudio.shtml ! Sonar: 4.0: Studio $299, Producer $599, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/sonar.shtml ! We take PayPal, Visa, Mastercard, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
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Tyler! For most people most of the time Goldwave does everything they need. Most of the things that Sound Forge can do that Goldwave can't are not even understood by most people, me included. Not so long ago Sound Forge cost three times what it does now. Liken it to a cell phone. I have a cheap cell phone. I place and receive calls. Some people do the same thing with a Blackberry and that's all they use it for. As far as those people are concerned both devices do the same thing so why should they spend $500 when they can get by for $20? Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! New DEC-TALK USB: $650.00, www.chirpingbat.com/dectalkusb.shtml ! Gyration RF Wireless 100 foot range keyboard: $199.00, www.chirpingbat.com/rfkeyboard.shtml ! J-Say without Naturally Speaking: Standard $345.00, Professional $575.00, www.chirpingbat.com/j-say.shtml ! Window Eyes 5.0: $700, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/windoweyes.shtml ! Triple Talk: USB $450, PCI $350, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/tripletalk.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! We accept PayPal Visa, Mastercard, money orders, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
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I agree with you Tyler. I've been using goldwave for over a year and love it. keep finding better ways of using it. When you give unto others whether or not they give to you in return, It matters not for your job is Complete and your rewards forthcoming. robert Doc Wright http://www.wrightplaceinc.net msn [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tyler Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Well then, I'll stick with gold wave, as it suits my needs and, like I said in a previous post, I don't have $500 to spend on something that I'll never even touch the features in. If you know gold waves interface well and can use it, why spend $500, especially if it can suit your needs. I'll admit, however, that I've not yet used sound forge--although whatever it offers, I don't exactly think its worth $500, compaired to $40, and you pretty much get just as much as you would with sound forge as far as I'm concerned. Tyler - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions A few years ago, Gold Wave was very much a toy as far as sound editors went. That has changed as new versions have come out. The price has not changed. One thing is that Gold Wave is pretty much a one-man operation, where as Sound forge is brought to you by teh same people who mass-marketed blank CD's and then charge you for using them. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Tyler Wood wrote: That is, after you spend the $200 for soundforge, and why I am stil wondering why does sound forge cost so much compaired to gold wave, unless it has 200 features that gold wave doesn't, I'm not spending that much. Not after I spend $50, at the most, for gold wave, and why I'm buying gold wave. Tyler - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I believe in Gold Wave. It's gotten a lot of knocking over the years from people who sincerely believe that anything other than Sound Forge is a hopeless program to use. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Curtis Delzer wrote: What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to have as well. Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) grin Curtis Delzer At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy
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be really pleased, I guarantee. That dec, will make a huge difference though the handi-cassette is good one track at a time, even has better or less cross talk one track at a time, but is tedious that way. Recording off that dec in your garage (when you set it up) the right channel is tracks 4 and 3 sides 1 and 2 of the tape, and you know that if you first record 1 cassette, that if you press tab it will put the left channel by itself into a way which you can work with separately. Press tab until you hear only the right channel, then reverse it all at once. Then you should down sample, normalize, noise reduce, make regions for sides (which for best results should be noise reduced separately) and then have sf make your *.wav files. Getting to those sliders for minus db can be problematic, though, fortunately I have jfw 5.0 and it's native sound forge configuration files, so the sliders can be found. You must play around a good bit in the plug-in configuration, trying up and down arrow to find out which field(s) get changed, but when you do and learn which does change that slider from about minus 12.5 db which is a default setting when using the preset for fast computers with 250 millisecond capture, you then will be amazed how well it works, again, especially, if it just hears noise such as tape hiss or hum before the recording begins. I hope all this helps. Take care and write to let me know how you're doing. Curtis Delzer At 02:06 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: Thanks for the outstanding advice regarding the plug-in and the handi-cassette. I knew it was a piece of something unmentionable when it came to reproducing stereo sound; I need to hunt up my old cassette deck stored in a box in the garage, and I'll do that this weekend. I wonder if we could communicate via e-mail off list so I can get a somewhat better handle on how to even begin to use that plug-in. I can't even get the auto trim crop to trim the silence off both ends of the recording appropriately--obviously operator incompetence alive, well, and at work in front of my keyboard. smile Again, Curtis, thanks for replying. I know it took time out of your life, and silly and goofy as it sounds, any time I get a reply from anyone, it's kind of a significant thing, especially when I stop and recognize how busy I get and how easy it is to just say poor slob; hope someone somewhere can figure that out for him, and hit the delete key. So when I say thanks for writing back, I truly am grateful. Where do I even go to activate the plug-in? I assume I have to select some tape hiss; that's easy enough to do. And do you do that before or after you resample? Nolan Crabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:18 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. Good luck! Curtis Delzer At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help
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No, in that case you don't have the NR plug-in, unfortunately, and it is expensive, again unfortunately, doesn't come with version 8. I, honestly don't know what that audio restoration does in SF, haven't used it at all. I got spoiled by that NR plug-in. Curtis Delzer At 05:43 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: Now I'm beginning to wonder whether I even have the plug-in at all. I assumed it actually came with version 8. That's probably not accurate. I have something called audio restoration, but I suspect that isn't the same thing. Sorry to ask such incredibly elementary questions. Is it really called noise reduction plug-in? If so, I didn't get it, and now wish to goodness I had. What is the purpose of the audio restoration setting? I assume it is designed to take the static out of LP's and such? Nolan ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
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Well, you can hear it working, because below a certain point, everything just goes away, and if something happens which is suppose to be just audibile enough to hear it, the noise gate might clip it off, and the more you hear it working, the more you wonder what you might be missing. Early stereo TV stations used it and it made me wish to slowly show them how it truly sounds when sight isn't distracting their ears. I mean, that is cruel torture! Curtis Delzer At 11:35 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: Hi Bruce. Okay, why is that? - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I personally feel Noise Gate is evil and should be banned from polite society, but that's just me. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Graham Stoodley wrote: Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final product. I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the operator than on the product. - Original Message - From: Nolan Crabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help you can give. Nolan Crabb ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
I am using version 6. You have to buy the noise reduction plug in. It's worth the money if you are doing very precise work. It used to cost $249. Judy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nolan Crabb Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:43 PM To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Now I'm beginning to wonder whether I even have the plug-in at all. I assumed it actually came with version 8. That's probably not accurate. I have something called audio restoration, but I suspect that isn't the same thing. Sorry to ask such incredibly elementary questions. Is it really called noise reduction plug-in? If so, I didn't get it, and now wish to goodness I had. What is the purpose of the audio restoration setting? I assume it is designed to take the static out of LP's and such? Nolan ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Or you can get Gold Wave for considerably less, and you would be very surprised, I think, at what a long way their sound processing has come. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Jerry Richer wrote: Sony's Noise Reduction is in fact called Noise Reduction 2.0 and would have come on a separate CD. Noise Reduction by itself from the Sony web site is $279.99 but you can purchase Sound Forge 8.0, Noise Reduction 2.0 and CD Architect 5.2 from Chirping Bat for $225, includes shipping within the United States. Noise Reduction 2.0 is not part of Sound Forge. It is a separate product. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! New DEC-TALK USB: $650.00, www.chirpingbat.com/dectalkusb.shtml ! Gyration RF Wireless 100 foot range keyboard: $199.00, www.chirpingbat.com/rfkeyboard.shtml ! J-Say without Naturally Speaking: Standard $345.00, Professional $575.00, www.chirpingbat.com/j-say.shtml ! Window Eyes 5.0: $700, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/windoweyes.shtml ! Triple Talk: USB $450, PCI $350, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/tripletalk.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! We accept PayPal Visa, Mastercard, money orders, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying side 2, side 3, etc. and also I don't keep, this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or so many pages on so many sides, in digital format, (again just my opinion, it is not needed, and, to skip such and such in this book, fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, or the beginning of the book. The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the reversed sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. I just recorded, finished, Undue Influence, by Steven Martini tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial recording before processing. At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. Well, this is off list, so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, what are we here fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done many hundred books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, going in sounded like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds fantastic! I, presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so if you do, then you're going to find that it will do a magnificent job, especially if you can get it to sample the sound in such a way that it automatically picks the hiss, and/or the noise it is suppose to hear, and not what you don't want it to reduce like the voice. Since you've recorded in SF before and know how to reverse, what I do is make a region for each side of each cassette, and then have sf write those regions to specific *.wav files, and then use something else to make the mp3s at 32K or 32K with vbr so the sound is as good as it should be. I record at 44,100Hz and then change the sample rate to 22,050, (NOT RESAMPLE) just change the sample rate so the pitch halves, to resample would not change the pitch but you'd loose quality, and then apply noise reduction since the noise you wish for the NR to hear would be at the correct pitch as well. I hope some of this rambling helps. You can change the amount of noise reduction in the nr reduction plug-in, rather than use the preset of 0.250 seconds (a quarter second) (for fast computers) and then, since it's mode 1, you can then change the amount of supression in db. The sample noise checkbox should be checked, and when you first have it sample a noise, it auto unchecks itself since the nr plug-in has found
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Yes, but for $40 canadian, I can get gold wave. Why is it that sound forge is so much money? Does it have some huge feature that gold wave doesn't? Actually, gold wave does exactly what I want in the demmo, so I'm going to buy it sooner or later. Tyler PS: Jerry, I've never really gave that site a look, but it really looks nice. Who knows, I might buy something. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Sony's Noise Reduction is in fact called Noise Reduction 2.0 and would have come on a separate CD. Noise Reduction by itself from the Sony web site is $279.99 but you can purchase Sound Forge 8.0, Noise Reduction 2.0 and CD Architect 5.2 from Chirping Bat for $225, includes shipping within the United States. Noise Reduction 2.0 is not part of Sound Forge. It is a separate product. Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Chirping Bat .Com ! New DEC-TALK USB: $650.00, www.chirpingbat.com/dectalkusb.shtml ! Gyration RF Wireless 100 foot range keyboard: $199.00, www.chirpingbat.com/rfkeyboard.shtml ! J-Say without Naturally Speaking: Standard $345.00, Professional $575.00, www.chirpingbat.com/j-say.shtml ! Window Eyes 5.0: $700, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/windoweyes.shtml ! Triple Talk: USB $450, PCI $350, includes delivery in the USA, add $30 outside, www.ChirpingBat.Com/tripletalk.shtml ! Sound Forge 8.0 with CD Architect 5.2: $250, includes delivery in the USA, www.ChirpingBat.Com/soundforge.shtml ! We accept PayPal Visa, Mastercard, money orders, checks, wire transfers, etc. We ship Internationally. Click to convert our prices into your currency at: www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml Reach BA Software in the United States at: Phone: 1-518-572-6092 weekdays, 1-518-359-8538 other, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Skype name adirondackbat, WWW: www.ChirpingBat.Com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 04/01/2006 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
I believe in Gold Wave. It's gotten a lot of knocking over the years from people who sincerely believe that anything other than Sound Forge is a hopeless program to use. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Curtis Delzer wrote: What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to have as well. Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) grin Curtis Delzer At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying side 2, side 3, etc. and also I don't keep, this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or so many pages on so many sides, in digital format, (again just my opinion, it is not needed, and, to skip such and such in this book, fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, or the beginning of the book. The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the reversed sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. I just recorded, finished, Undue Influence, by Steven Martini tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial recording before processing. At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. Well, this is off list, so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, what are we here fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done many hundred books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, going in sounded like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
A few years ago, Gold Wave was very much a toy as far as sound editors went. That has changed as new versions have come out. The price has not changed. One thing is that Gold Wave is pretty much a one-man operation, where as Sound forge is brought to you by teh same people who mass-marketed blank CD's and then charge you for using them. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Tyler Wood wrote: That is, after you spend the $200 for soundforge, and why I am stil wondering why does sound forge cost so much compaired to gold wave, unless it has 200 features that gold wave doesn't, I'm not spending that much. Not after I spend $50, at the most, for gold wave, and why I'm buying gold wave. Tyler - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I believe in Gold Wave. It's gotten a lot of knocking over the years from people who sincerely believe that anything other than Sound Forge is a hopeless program to use. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Curtis Delzer wrote: What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to have as well. Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) grin Curtis Delzer At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm getting rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references to cassettes in general. When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the Book Port. I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a file, but it worked. I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, but I save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about continuing on page such-and-such at the beginning of every side. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've recorded your stereo file with each track/side in the left and right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying side 2, side 3, etc. and also I don't keep, this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or so many pages on so many sides, in digital format, (again just my opinion, it is not needed, and, to skip such and such in this book, fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, or the beginning of the book. The markers, though you
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Hi Nolan, when using the noise reduction plug in you are supposed to record some of the material with know speech (the tape hiss) so the program will know what you want to filter out. I find it works well. I don't know how to minimize the cross talk. Maybe someone can tell us. Regards, Judy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nolan Crabb Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:18 PM To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help you can give. Nolan Crabb ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final product. I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the operator than on the product. - Original Message - From: Nolan Crabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help you can give. Nolan Crabb ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
I personally feel Noise Gate is evil and should be banned from polite society, but that's just me. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Graham Stoodley wrote: Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final product. I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the operator than on the product. - Original Message - From: Nolan Crabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help you can give. Nolan Crabb ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
get a reply from anyone, it's kind of a significant thing, especially when I stop and recognize how busy I get and how easy it is to just say poor slob; hope someone somewhere can figure that out for him, and hit the delete key. So when I say thanks for writing back, I truly am grateful. Where do I even go to activate the plug-in? I assume I have to select some tape hiss; that's easy enough to do. And do you do that before or after you resample? Nolan Crabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:18 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. Good luck! Curtis Delzer At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help you can give. Nolan Crabb ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com At 02:26 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final product. I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the operator than on the product. - Original Message - From: Nolan Crabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample
RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Now I'm beginning to wonder whether I even have the plug-in at all. I assumed it actually came with version 8. That's probably not accurate. I have something called audio restoration, but I suspect that isn't the same thing. Sorry to ask such incredibly elementary questions. Is it really called noise reduction plug-in? If so, I didn't get it, and now wish to goodness I had. What is the purpose of the audio restoration setting? I assume it is designed to take the static out of LP's and such? Nolan ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
On the idea of noise reduction, how can I decode stereo in files, if recorded from a shoutcast stream that sounds like the pilot tone is in stereo but the music is panned hard right? That tone almost gives me a headache so doing what an FM radio would have done probably would make it sound close to on-air or at least listenable. The pilot isn't quite stereo, but it sounds like it moves around. It probably would be easy enough to take the right channel and copy it on the left so I can have it through both speakers, but the low pass isn't something I can find in goldwave how to specify. I guess I'd gradually reduce it until the tone is almost gone and preset that as decode fm shoutcast. - Original Message - From: Curtis Delzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. Well, this is off list, so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, what are we here fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done many hundred books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, going in sounded like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds fantastic! I, presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so if you do, then you're going to find that it will do a magnificent job, especially if you can get it to sample the sound in such a way that it automatically picks the hiss, and/or the noise it is suppose to hear, and not what you don't want it to reduce like the voice. Since you've recorded in SF before and know how to reverse, what I do is make a region for each side of each cassette, and then have sf write those regions to specific *.wav files, and then use something else to make the mp3s at 32K or 32K with vbr so the sound is as good as it should be. I record at 44,100Hz and then change the sample rate to 22,050, (NOT RESAMPLE) just change the sample rate so the pitch halves, to resample would not change the pitch but you'd loose quality, and then apply noise reduction since the noise you wish for the NR to hear would be at the correct pitch as well. I hope some of this rambling helps. You can change the amount of noise reduction in the nr reduction plug-in, rather than use the preset of 0.250 seconds (a quarter second) (for fast computers) and then, since it's mode 1, you can then change the amount of supression in db. The sample noise checkbox should be checked, and when you first have it sample a noise, it auto unchecks itself since the nr plug-in has found the sample and made it's configuration and to that noise it's sampled, it's set. Change the db slider to, let's say, minus 40 DB and while listening to the preview you'll be amazed how wonderfully it will work. Then, save the setting, but make sure, before you save that setting, that the sample checkbox is then, checked, since if you use that setting in the future for another minus 40 db sample, you wish it to sample at least a quarter second of noise automatically, and by default. Many guys forget that checkbox and figure that since the slider is set for minus 40 db, it will get rid of the noise, forgetting that it needs to sample first some noise before it can apply it's magic to what you wish it to hear, not a voice or music. Plan to use a selected part of the noise when you make the nr plug-in hear noise, (the beginning of each side of a book is plenty of room for it) and you'll be really pleased, I guarantee. That dec, will make a huge difference though the handi-cassette is good one track at a time, even has better or less cross talk one track at a time, but is tedious that way. Recording off that dec in your garage (when you set it up) the right channel is tracks 4 and 3 sides 1 and 2 of the tape, and you know that if you first record 1 cassette, that if you press tab it will put the left channel by itself into a way which you can work with separately. Press tab until you hear only the right channel, then reverse it all at once. Then you should down sample, normalize, noise reduce, make regions for sides (which for best results should be noise reduced separately) and then have sf make your *.wav files. Getting to those sliders for minus db can be problematic, though, fortunately I have jfw 5.0 and it's native sound forge configuration files, so the sliders can be found. You must play around a good bit in the plug-in configuration, trying up and down arrow to find out which field(s) get changed, but when you do and learn which does change that slider from about minus 12.5 db which is a default setting when using the preset for fast computers with 250 millisecond capture, you
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Hi Bruce. Okay, why is that? - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions I personally feel Noise Gate is evil and should be banned from polite society, but that's just me. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Graham Stoodley wrote: Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final product. I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the operator than on the product. - Original Message - From: Nolan Crabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC audio discussion list. ' Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help you can give. Nolan Crabb ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions
Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. Good luck! Curtis Delzer At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my Book Port. So here's the question: I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of the crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then reverse tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is normal, combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck into the Book Port. How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the hiss if not the crosstalk? Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. Trust me, I get that already! Thanks for any help you can give. Nolan Crabb ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists we offer, visit us on the web at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
