Re: [PD] Command to Close Serveral Abstraction

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

gilberto bernardes wrote:
> Dear all,
>  
> I would like to have a procedure in a patch that I'm not figuring out 
> how to do it. I want to close several abstraction when I close one of 
> them. I was trying to find an object similar to 'openpatch' or even a

what is this object [openpatch]? is it really just a wrapper around the 
";pd open .." message?


> mesage such as'; pd open ...' but to close. Does someone knows if and 
> how its possible to do it?

send a [menuclose 1( message to the patch's canvas.

e.g.
[; pd open mypatch.pd .(

and to close this patch:
[; pd-mypatch.pd menuclose 1(


(if you omit the "1" or set it to "0", you will get the "do you really 
want to close" message, which is probably not what you want)


fmg.asdr
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Alicia Byer]

Hi everybody,

Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I 
don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties 
also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and 
attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make me not 
want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out. It's 
just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two 
women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real 
"jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I 
guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to 
learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't 
be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's 
2007!!! Not the stone age.

Anyway, darsh, I know where you're coming from.

thanks everybody,
Alicia



.·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·. wrote:
> Hi people
>
> If this thread has to continue please feel free to substitute the word 
> 'girls' for 'women' or 'sisters' even.  I am not sure what the count 
> is but I can imagine that there are very few actual girls on this list 
> (that would be pretty cool though...bunch of lurking little girls, hi, 
> hi).
>
> I am in my mid twenties and I don't really like being called 'girl'.  
> A girl is a female child...  The other women on this list may not 
> agree with this or they may not even care about it one single bit or 
> they may even be annoyed that I am bringing it up (if this is the case 
> then sorry ladies)... 
>
> My little sister who is 15 (and fond of gem) is someone who I consider 
> a girl or maybe even a young ladyIf there were more like her on 
> this list then maybe girl would be the right term...To be honest 
> though, I wouldn't recommend that she join this list at this point in 
> her life...This thread makes my skin crawl.
>
> xo
>
> Darsh
>
> On 10/16/07, *Roman Haefeli* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> hey ho
>
> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered
> through
> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at
> all to
> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
> point. since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
> serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
> couldn't be established.
>
> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  wrote:
> > > yves,
> > > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you
> describe (maybe
> > > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))
> >
> > hi David and all,
> > I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some
> examples
> > of greasy jokes:
>
> yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this
> could be a basis for a real discussion.
>
> > From: João Miguel Pais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Date: Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm
> >
> > - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a
> lightbulb? 2:
> > One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k.
> > [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a
> > humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last
> weeks]
>
> i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the
> first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that
> insult
> feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt,
> that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to
> provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or
> whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he
> succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the
> list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in
> order to question the ongoing discussion.
>
> accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case,
> though i do
> not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list,
> regardless
> of the intention.
>
> > I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about
> the facts is
> > just a bit too much for me to keep silent.
>
> i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling
> someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here.
>
> roman
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Alicia Byer]

Hi everybody,

Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I 
don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties 
also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and 
attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make me not 
want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out. It's 
just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two 
women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real 
"jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I 
guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to 
learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't 
be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's 
2007!!! Not the stone age.

Anyway, thanks everybody.

-Alicia

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> hey ho
>> 
>
> hi roman
>
>   
>> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
>> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through
>> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to
>> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
>> point.
>> 
>
> thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic of sexism
> which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there. gender, we
> keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance.
>
> for example this
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html
>
> If I remember well Matju was also molested by this.
> to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a
> deeper degree in the conversation.
> It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough  it was followed by a
> funny advertisementlike max msp thread)
>
> I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in
> Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to mention some
> practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women
> that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self employed
> and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are not
> 'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of technology in
> our work with sensors, diy, electronica,  computer music, web
> programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to answer it!.
>
> I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last problem
> was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that thread until
> the end ;)
>
>  since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
>   
>> serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
>> couldn't be established.
>> 
>
> i think your attempt was very kind and brought some peace. I wanted to
> propose to brew a drink that people make in bolivia, peru, chile,
> argentina,  ecuador guatemala and many places in altiplano (high
> mountains)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha
>
> and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total discredit, is
> not fashionable anymore but the conditions for women are not equal and we
> face feminicide (this is extermination of women)in various areas of the
> world. So I don't mind being sensitive to anything that is related to
> this.
> and some feminist from the south are excellent, in case you would like
> some good internet radio
>
> http://nueva.radionumerocritico.cl/news.php
>
> I didn't start this thread on sexism because I didn't have any particular
> complaint against this list although I can remember some situations
> outside the list:
>
> - once a pd friend said to me that still no women wrote an external, ah
> yes I would like to program a external I said. He said oh well Yves can do
> that  you don't have to do that.
>
> -once a pd friend which I wanted to talk to said ah! you are the visual
> artist that works with Yves. that was ok but there is this prejudice that
> women doing pd do visuals. Ah no, I make noise.
>
> -once a pd friend didn't include me in the logs of a pd irc chat meeting (!)
>
> -once a pd friend said that his professor said that women can't do sound
> because is too abstract for them, they need the materiality of visuals
>
> but many other times I have also been -very encouraged by people that
> participate a lot in the list and in pd meetings and pd projects to keep
> on learning and feel more confident in my autonomy towards media.
>
> it would be better IMHO to discuss things and not avoid it but yes that
> would take time, to look into what we really mean by sexism and ask around
> why women (hey but not only women) don't participate in this spaces.
>
>
> Alejandra
>
>
>
>   
>> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
 yves,
 I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe
 
>>> (maybe
>>>   
 you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))
 
>

Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Anders Friberg]

One reason for wanting to use all the paths might be to be able to use 
more than 10 libraries of those included in extended.
I tried to trace down the problem I had with this and I found a strange 
behavior related to the "use standard extension" option in the Path.. 
dialog (standardpath variable):
When the "use standard extension" option is selected and pd is started 
then all subdirectories of  /extra seems to be included in the search 
path (used the  verbose flag in the Paths.. dialog). Thus, there is no 
need to include any extended libs in the search paths.
However, if pd is started with the "use standard extension" option off 
it doesn't help turning it on again. If pd is restarted it works again.

I checked the registry in windows and it is updated correctly.
So obviously the "use standard extension" is only changed at start time. 
On the other hand the path changes takes effect immediately. Maybe this 
is a know behavior but it gets very confusing from a user point of view. 
It is not documented in the pd documentation (BTW pictures missing in 
the manual).

I used the latest pd-extended on windows.
I think that the "use more than 10 libs" question is not an education 
problem or searching-the-web problem. I think there are some subtle 
behavior like the one pointed out here that creates a lot of confusion.

Best
Anders

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:

  

Hallo,
Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:



My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another.
remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more,  
but I

can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?
  

Hm, this gets asked (and answered) once every 1.5 weeks. What can we
do about it?



Hmm... fix it!  Or... document it better...

The search on puredata.org works quite nicely, we should encourage  
people to use it.


.hc

  

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[PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Kyle Klipowicz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova

For some reason I feel that this is appropriate.

I hope our community can be a bit more mature...email lasts for n=n+1 years.

~Kyle

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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova
> 
> For some reason I feel that this is appropriate.

hmm, i always enjoyed nn's contributions to the pd-list...

weird things happened to mailinglists, back then:-)

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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French) and mailing list and ...

[Jérôme Abel]

I try to resume informations to see what we have to do.

Pdpedia translation
---
I did the template following wiki administrator instruction. I think It's OK.
But You may check it here.
http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Modèle:Infobox_Objectclass

In my opinion, We can translate website and infobox by "Site internet" and
"Infos".

Now in the template it's "Site Web" and "Infobox".

But it's not very important now, isn't it ?

PdPedia Import
--
In the AllPages, we have a lot of names. So It seems work fine.

Thanks to Hans.

Pdpedia mailing list

We have two propositions :
http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia
http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/patching-in-tongues

May be we could discuss in french in the first one, and send a report message to
the second one every week (or couple of week) to talk about our progression.

I think we need a specific list to organise work together and do not disturb all
other contributors.

Pdpedia method
--
* start with Pd Vanilla : 20 objects by step. (in alphabetic order)
* check all french pd contributors.


PdPedia classification
--
Make easier navigation for artitic goal and newbie.

two propositions :
* see the classification in Processing web site (vidéo, audio, image, couleur,
...)
http://processing.org/reference/index_ext.html
http://processing.org/reference/libraries/index.html

* see the classifictaion in Pdmtl abstractions
http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents

I don't understand how to make categorie in wikipedia...

I think, the first step is to complete pd-vanilla. After we can try to organize
it into more sensitiv categorie.

The search engine seems hard to use, but may be someone work on it. It's quite
hard to find objects ...

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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Kyle Klipowicz]

Yes nn was definitely an entity of wonder and is good stuff for legends...

~Kyle

On 10/17/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova
> >
> > For some reason I feel that this is appropriate.
>
> hmm, i always enjoyed nn's contributions to the pd-list...
>
> weird things happened to mailinglists, back then:-)
>
> fmgas.dr
> IOhannes
>


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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French)

[Olivier Heinry]

Hi Hans,

Apparently a consensus has been reached for the following on this side
of the Atlantic. Maybe we should wait until they wake up overseas ;-)

++
O.



# wikipedia terms
$stub = "Ébauche";
$template = "Modèle";
$category = "Catégorie";
$infobox = "Boîte d'info";

# pdpedia terms
$objectclass = "Classe d'objets";

# page headers
$inlets = "Entrées";
$outlets = "Sorties";
$arguments = "Arguments";
$messages = "Messages";

# infobox
$name = "Nom";
$description = "Description";
$abbreviation = "Abréviation";
$library = "Bibliothèque";
$author = "Auteur";
$developer = "Développeur";
$releaseVersion = "Version";
$releaseDate = "Date";
$dependencies = "Dépendances";
$license = "Licence";
$website = "Site Web";
$programmingLanguage = "Langage de programmation";
$platform = "Plate-forme";
$operatingSystem = "Système d'exploitation";
$language = "Langue";
$dataType = "Type de données";
$distributions = "Distributions";

$status = "État";
$example image = "Image d'exemple";
$caption = "Légende";
$language = "Langue";
$helppatch name = "Nom du patch d'aide";
$cpu use index = "Utilisation du processeur";

Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 à 22:05 -0400, Alexandre Castonguay a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> I think that was the suggestion. The double 'bb' for that word is in the 
> first 
> list.  I like the translations but don't know about 'infobox'...'boite 
> d'infos' ou simplement 'infos'?
> 
> A bientot,
> 
> Alexandre
> 
> On Tuesday 16 October 2007 20:36:54 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > I think you've been infected by English! ;)  My online translator says
> >
> > abbreviation = abréviation
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On Oct 16, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Olivier Heinry wrote:
> > > Hello les francophones
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > one single typo correction since Jerome Abel' latest proposal:
> > >
> > >   $abbreviation: Abréviation
> > >
> > > Should we go for this then?
> > > Any major objection?
> > >
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > > # wikipedia terms
> > > $stub = "Ébauche";
> > > $template = "Modèle";
> > > $category = "Catégorie";
> > > $infobox = "Infobox";
> > >
> > > # pdpedia terms
> > > $objectclass = "Classe d'objets";
> > >
> > > # page headers
> > > $inlets = "Entrées";
> > > $outlets = "Sorties";
> > > $arguments = "Arguments";
> > > $messages = "Messages";
> > >
> > > # infobox
> > > $name = "Nom";
> > > $description = "Description";
> > > $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
> > > $library = "Bibliothèque";
> > > $author = "Auteur";
> > > $developer = "Développeur";
> > > $releaseVersion = "Version";
> > > $releaseDate = "Date";
> > > $dependencies = "Dépendances";
> > > $license = "Licence";
> > > $website = "Site Web";
> > > $programmingLanguage = "Langage de programmation";
> > > $platform = "Plate-forme";
> > > $operatingSystem = "Système d'exploitation";
> > > $language = "Langue";
> > > $dataType = "Type de données";
> > > $distributions = "Distributions";
> > >
> > > $status = "État";
> > > $example image = "Image d'exemple";
> > > $caption = "Légende";
> > > $language = "Langue";
> > > $helppatch name = "Nom du patch d'aide";
> > > $cpu use index = "Utilisation du processeur";
> > >
> > > Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 16:11 +0200, Olivier Heinry a écrit :
> > >> Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 12:23 +0200, Nicolas Montgermont a
> > >>
> > >> écrit :
> > >>> It seems fine for me,
> > >>>
> > >>> except perhaps Library -> Bibliothèque.
> > >>> I prefer the "Librairie" word, it seems more used in computing to
> > >>> me and
> > >>> keeps a strong correlation with the english word.
> > >>> Wikipedia says we can use both:
> > >>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblioth%C3%A8que_logicielle
> > >>> ... it's a detail
> > >>
> > >> To me , it's wrong, une librairie => a bookshop
> > >> It's a "faux-ami" and should be recognized as such! Computer world
> > >> has a
> > >> tendency to laziness...
> > >> Let's stick to "Bibliothèque"
> > >>
> > >>> Jérôme Abel a écrit :
> >  After some messages, the new french translation.
> > 
> >  Is it OK for everyone ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  $infobox = "Infobox";
> > >>
> > >> I dont like it, still we don't have anything better (as compact and
> > >> accurate, "Boîte d'information" c'est relou)
> > >>
> >  $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
> > >>
> > >> un seul b : "Abréviation"
> > >>
> >  $library = "Bibliothèque";
> > 
> > >> :-)
> > >> :
> >  $website = "Site Web";
> > >>
> > >> pas mieux :-)
> > >>
> > 


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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Derek Holzer]

In that case, as in this one, I think this is a more appropriate document:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/

Especially the original alt.syntax.tactical FAQ makes for better reading 
than much of what got posted here as the "sexism" thread "matured". Not 
to mention the "beer" thread... It reminds me that (in the Northern 
hemisphere at least) it's not full-on winter yet so maybe people should 
try to get outside more often instead of starting or responding to witch 
hunts and political correcting.

In fact, I'm out the door right now.

best,
d.


Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova
> 
> For some reason I feel that this is appropriate.
> 
> I hope our community can be a bit more mature...email lasts for n=n+1 years.
> 
> ~Kyle
> 

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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French) and mailing list and ...

[Olivier Heinry]

Le mercredi 17 octobre 2007 à 10:49 +0200, Jérôme Abel a écrit :
> I try to resume informations to see what we have to do.
> 
> Pdpedia translation
> ---
> I did the template following wiki administrator instruction. I think It's OK.
> But You may check it here.
> http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Modèle:Infobox_Objectclass

The {{{Nom}}} appears twice, except for that it looks fine


> In my opinion, We can translate website and infobox by "Site internet" and
> "Infos".
> 
> Now in the template it's "Site Web" and "Infobox".
> 
> But it's not very important now, isn't it ?

Sorry for posting before checking my email again. Anyways, these are
minor differencies which dont clutter the meaning


> 
> PdPedia Import
> --
> In the AllPages, we have a lot of names. So It seems work fine.
> 

> 
> Pdpedia mailing list
> 
> We have two propositions :
> http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia
> http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/patching-in-tongues
> 
> May be we could discuss in french in the first one, and send a report message 
> to
> the second one every week (or couple of week) to talk about our progression.

a report in english

> I think we need a specific list to organise work together and do not disturb 
> all
> other contributors.

I agree. the reason most people cancel their subscription is too much
traffic.

> Pdpedia method
> --
> * start with Pd Vanilla : 20 objects by step. (in alphabetic order)
> * check all french pd contributors.

french-speaking ;-)

BTW, is it possible to display besides the name of the object, its
status (still a stub , or "complete") and or the name of the latest
contributor?

It would greatly speed up the group translation process to check at one
glance (well, almost...) what's still to do. I'm not really experienced
with wikimedia, so if anyone is

++

O.

> 
> PdPedia classification
> --
> Make easier navigation for artitic goal and newbie.
> 
> two propositions :
> * see the classification in Processing web site (vidéo, audio, image, couleur,
> ...)
> http://processing.org/reference/index_ext.html
> http://processing.org/reference/libraries/index.html
> 
> * see the classifictaion in Pdmtl abstractions
> http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents
> 
> I don't understand how to make categorie in wikipedia...
> 
> I think, the first step is to complete pd-vanilla. After we can try to 
> organize
> it into more sensitiv categorie.
> 
> The search engine seems hard to use, but may be someone work on it. It's quite
> hard to find objects ...


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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:

> i think, there is a consent in the pd-community, that [namecanvas]
> shouldn't be considered to be deprecated. you'll find a lot of post in
> the archive about this. i believe, it is just a matter of miller
> removing that sentence from the help-file.

I think, one of the problems of [namecanvas] is that it's an object,
and thus it can be deleted by a message. One suggested way out was to
instead make namecanvas an actual property of the canvas, that is set
through the props menu.

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Re: [PD] Fwd: portuguese pdpedia template

[João Miguel Pais]

> Good idea. If you want to make a list of those, I'll do the import.

ok, I'll work on it when possible.


>> I would also like if someone in the english version (the "official"  
>> one) would put one day to finish at least one object as good as  
>> possible, to serve as reference for others (including putting an image,  
>> etc.). in my experience, opening the doors and unleashing the users  
>> without a kind of direction to follow will sooner or later lead to  
>> waste of time/energy and disenchantement from the involved working  
>> persons.
>
> I wouldn't call the English one the official one, I hope they'll all be  
> official.  We are all figuring out how to do this.  We don't have a  
> "complete" one yet, but I know that Marius is working on getting things  
> running smoothly.  Nicolas has put some good work into this one:

of course there's no official one, but the english one is the most  
advanced - duh, the documentation was already in english -, and the common  
language to the main people involved in pd, pidip etc. is english. My  
point is that a solid reference page would be important to have - one of  
the web's problems isn't lack of information, is just lack of quality of  
information. And it would be good if that page would be finished soon,  
because the doors are about to open for free editing.

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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Kyle Klipowicz]

This is true. I am not meaning to troll or bait. Sorry if it came off
that way. I just hope we can get past the negativity.

~Kyle

On 10/17/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In that case, as in this one, I think this is a more appropriate document:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/
>
> Especially the original alt.syntax.tactical FAQ makes for better reading
> than much of what got posted here as the "sexism" thread "matured". Not
> to mention the "beer" thread... It reminds me that (in the Northern
> hemisphere at least) it's not full-on winter yet so maybe people should
> try to get outside more often instead of starting or responding to witch
> hunts and political correcting.
>
> In fact, I'm out the door right now.
>
> best,
> d.
>
>
> Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova
> >
> > For some reason I feel that this is appropriate.
> >
> > I hope our community can be a bit more mature...email lasts for n=n+1 years.
> >
> > ~Kyle
> >
>
> --
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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Enrique Erne]

On Wed Oct 17  0:08 , Frank Barknecht  sent:

>Hallo,
>Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:
>
>> My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another. 
>> remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more, but I 
>> can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?
>
>Hm, this gets asked (and answered) once every 1.5 weeks. What can we
>do about it?

maybe a little help or hint link inside the preference dialogue that points to
http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/TipsAndTricks#add-more-entries-to-the-path-and-library-dialogs

would help a lot.

any tcl/tk heroes around?

eni

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Re: [PD] Command to Close Serveral Abstraction

[Enrique Erne]

On Mer Oct 17  3:43 , "gilberto bernardes"  sent:

>Dear all,
> 
>I would like to have a procedure in a patch that I'm not figuring out how to do
it. I want to close several abstraction when I close one of them. I was trying 
to
find an object similar to 'openpatch' or even a mesage such as'; pd open ...' 
but
to close. Does someone knows if and how its possible to do it?
> 
>Best,
>Gilberto BernardesTransfira JÁ a última versão do Windows Live Messenger! 
>Clique
aqui! 
>
>

hi Gilberto

if you are talking about abstractions check out the add_n_remove_abstractions.pd
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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[danja vasiliev]

no, still my mjpegs cant be loaded in PD. regardless all my attempts and
fiddling with versions of libquicktime, pd and pdp i can't get similar
functionality to PD installation in current Pure:Dyne.
http://royalrabbit.goto10.org/rl/NL_waag.org/testing/iso/puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC1.iso

here is an example file of my struggle -
http://k0a1a.net/snappy/13-08-2007/21.avi

i'm still hoping to find a solution, though getting really tired and
want rather to work on my art than to look at gcc output...

thanks for your attention,
danja

danja vasiliev wrote:
> that worked, always worked actually... (sorry didn't mentioned it)
> my problem is that the files i have can be loaded too, in pure:dyne.
> pdp run out is this:
> ---
> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 987 frames, MJPG codec)
> pdp_qt using colormodel YUV420P
> ---
> 
> i'm lost,
> i want the same in my ubuntu 8-]
> 
> danja
> 
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> Try the included MJPEG movie and see if that works, it's in
>> /usr/local/lib/pd/doc/media/midr-mjpeg.mov.
>>
>> IIRC, libquicktime doesn't like all kinds of MJPEG, only certain kinds.

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Patrice Colet]

Hi,

Frank Barknecht a écrit :
> Hallo,
> Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:
> 
>> i think, there is a consent in the pd-community, that [namecanvas]
>> shouldn't be considered to be deprecated. you'll find a lot of post in
>> the archive about this. i believe, it is just a matter of miller
>> removing that sentence from the help-file.

  First I sorry to bring back this discussion to the list,
that might not appear anymore if a definitive solution is found, and 
applied.

> I think, one of the problems of [namecanvas] is that it's an object,
> and thus it can be deleted by a message. One suggested way out was to
> instead make namecanvas an actual property of the canvas, that is set
> through the props menu.
> 
> Ciao

  Oh yes, that clearly shows the problem involved by this object, if 
it's deleted, I suppose (but didn't test) that the graph would take back 
it's original name and then messages sent through [namecanvas] argument 
sender won't come anymore to the targeted graph.

  The proposed solution seems very good and AFAIU it would appear like 
in this canvas pattern:

#X coords 0 1 99 -1 200 140 1 /$0-name-of-the-graph;

Unfortunately I've no clue how to do it myself yet, and hope this is not 
"talk for nothing".






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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French)

[Patrice Colet]

Alexandre Castonguay a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> I think that was the suggestion. The double 'bb' for that word is in the 
> first 
> list.  I like the translations but don't know about 'infobox'...'boite 
> d'infos' ou simplement 'infos'?
> 
> A bientot,

  Salut!

By the way, what is the "infobox" in pd?
What about having this discussion on a more appropriated mailing-list,

http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/patching-in-tongues

like matju has suggested?

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Re: [PD] pdpedia classifications

[Nicolas Montgermont]

Olivier Heinry a écrit :
>
>> PdPedia classification
>> --
>> Make easier navigation for artitic goal and newbie.
>>

One important thing is to classify between actual and deprecated 
externals...
Nothing is more frustrating than trying to compile and use an 
external... and finally seeing it was designed for pd 0.33 or to compile 
with an old gcc :)
I don't know how to implement that, maybe all externals should start as 
deprecated and the status is changed as soon as someone has used it 
(leaving a comment in the edit page with working os and pd version) ??

Greetings,

Nicolas

PS: I've changed the title for a more general discussion...

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Re: [PD] russian pdpedia

[errordeveloper]

hi danja.
i can help if you need.

may be we could actully meet up on irc or something ?
you can email me directly.

i was looking for russian pd users an dwas gonna posto to this list
about it one day.
let's , get in touch .;;]

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On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 12:32:21AM +0200, danja vasiliev wrote:
> hi there,
> taking on this ultimately nice initiative of pdpedia i'd like to talk
> for the russian part of pd users. so far i know only few of them but im
> sure they are out there being hit by the brownian motion of pd
> particles. i can translate the main/english tread of pdpedia in to
> russian and keep it updated, also would keep eye on some russian
> specifics (if there are any...? utf..phhh).
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Patrice Colet]

Patrice Colet a écrit :

>   The proposed solution seems very good and AFAIU it would appear like 
> in this canvas pattern:
> 
> #X coords 0 1 99 -1 200 140 1 /$0-name-of-the-graph;
> 

\$0-name-of-the-graph, obviously. Sorry again for the typo.

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Patrice Colet]

.·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·. a écrit :
> Hi people
> 
> If this thread has to continue please feel free to substitute the word 
> 'girls' for 'women' or 'sisters' even.

all Right! all right! sista!

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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[Lluis Gómez i Bigordà]

let's try thisone :::

http://hangar.org/wikis/lab/pd/pdvjtools/src/videogrid/videos/

i encode it using ffmpeg + mjpegtools  on Ubuntu/linux ...

something like this ...

ffmpeg -i myfile.avi -vcodec mjpeg output.mov
lavtrans -o final.mov  -f q output.mov

good luck!,
ll.


El dc 17 de 10 del 2007 a les 12:54 +0200, en/na danja vasiliev va
escriure:
> no, still my mjpegs cant be loaded in PD. regardless all my attempts and
> fiddling with versions of libquicktime, pd and pdp i can't get similar
> functionality to PD installation in current Pure:Dyne.
> http://royalrabbit.goto10.org/rl/NL_waag.org/testing/iso/puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC1.iso
> 
> here is an example file of my struggle -
> http://k0a1a.net/snappy/13-08-2007/21.avi
> 
> i'm still hoping to find a solution, though getting really tired and
> want rather to work on my art than to look at gcc output...
> 
> thanks for your attention,
> danja
> 
> danja vasiliev wrote:
> > that worked, always worked actually... (sorry didn't mentioned it)
> > my problem is that the files i have can be loaded too, in pure:dyne.
> > pdp run out is this:
> > ---
> > pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 987 frames, MJPG codec)
> > pdp_qt using colormodel YUV420P
> > ---
> > 
> > i'm lost,
> > i want the same in my ubuntu 8-]
> > 
> > danja
> > 
> > Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >> Try the included MJPEG movie and see if that works, it's in
> >> /usr/local/lib/pd/doc/media/midr-mjpeg.mov.
> >>
> >> IIRC, libquicktime doesn't like all kinds of MJPEG, only certain kinds.
> 


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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[olsen wolf]

hi danja
i tried: transcode  -f 12 -y mov -F jpeg -i 21.avi -o 21.mov
& it works on ubuntu feisty with Pd version 0.39.3-extended &
libquicktime0  version 0.9.7-1ubuntu2
& hopefully helps you
best
olsen


On 10/17/07, Lluis Gómez i Bigordà <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> let's try thisone :::
>
> http://hangar.org/wikis/lab/pd/pdvjtools/src/videogrid/videos/
>
> i encode it using ffmpeg + mjpegtools  on Ubuntu/linux ...
>
> something like this ...
>
> ffmpeg -i myfile.avi -vcodec mjpeg output.mov
> lavtrans -o final.mov  -f q output.mov
>
> good luck!,
> ll.
>
>
> El dc 17 de 10 del 2007 a les 12:54 +0200, en/na danja vasiliev va
> escriure:
> > no, still my mjpegs cant be loaded in PD. regardless all my attempts and
> > fiddling with versions of libquicktime, pd and pdp i can't get similar
> > functionality to PD installation in current Pure:Dyne.
> > http://royalrabbit.goto10.org/rl/NL_waag.org/testing/iso/puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC1.iso
> >
> > here is an example file of my struggle -
> > http://k0a1a.net/snappy/13-08-2007/21.avi
> >
> > i'm still hoping to find a solution, though getting really tired and
> > want rather to work on my art than to look at gcc output...
> >
> > thanks for your attention,
> > danja
> >
> > danja vasiliev wrote:
> > > that worked, always worked actually... (sorry didn't mentioned it)
> > > my problem is that the files i have can be loaded too, in pure:dyne.
> > > pdp run out is this:
> > > ---
> > > pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 987 frames, MJPG codec)
> > > pdp_qt using colormodel YUV420P
> > > ---
> > >
> > > i'm lost,
> > > i want the same in my ubuntu 8-]
> > >
> > > danja
> > >
> > > Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > >> Try the included MJPEG movie and see if that works, it's in
> > >> /usr/local/lib/pd/doc/media/midr-mjpeg.mov.
> > >>
> > >> IIRC, libquicktime doesn't like all kinds of MJPEG, only certain kinds.
> >
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

You absolutely have a valid opinion, its' good to hear it on this  
list.  Now it seems that this thread is actually getting somewhere.   
I had decided to ignore it, so I didn't realize the depths it had  
fallen to.

I also have a strong distaste for the "gang bang" talk and macho  
programming. It seems that computer music is one of the last bastions  
of male dominance, I mean even most Linux events are at least 20%  
female, not so in the computer music world.  As someone who was  
raised by a strong feminist, I have always wondered what I could do  
to change that.  So far I haven't found an answer, but I am always  
open to suggestions.

It does seem that the macho geek culture is a common complaint.  A  
friend of mine started college in the Mechanical Engineering  
department since she'd always wanted to make things.  She was one of  
few women in the department, and was constantly challenged and mocked  
because she was a woman.  Needless to say, she changed departments,  
but still wishes she was a mechanical engineer.  Sadly, I think that  
such things happen with Pd a lot as well.

.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Alicia Byer wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I
> don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties
> also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and
> attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make  
> me not
> want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out.  
> It's
> just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two
> women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a  
> real
> "jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I
> guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to
> learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't
> be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's
> 2007!!! Not the stone age.
>
> Anyway, thanks everybody.
>
> -Alicia
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> hey ho
>>>
>>
>> hi roman
>>
>>
>>> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread  
>>> in a
>>> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered  
>>> through
>>> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at  
>>> all to
>>> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming  
>>> to a
>>> point.
>>>
>>
>> thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic  
>> of sexism
>> which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there.  
>> gender, we
>> keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance.
>>
>> for example this
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html
>>
>> If I remember well Matju was also molested by this.
>> to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a
>> deeper degree in the conversation.
>> It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough  it was  
>> followed by a
>> funny advertisementlike max msp thread)
>>
>> I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in
>> Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to  
>> mention some
>> practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women
>> that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self  
>> employed
>> and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are not
>> 'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of  
>> technology in
>> our work with sensors, diy, electronica,  computer music, web
>> programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to  
>> answer it!.
>>
>> I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last  
>> problem
>> was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that  
>> thread until
>> the end ;)
>>
>>  since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
>>
>>> serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
>>> couldn't be established.
>>>
>>
>> i think your attempt was very kind and brought some peace. I  
>> wanted to
>> propose to brew a drink that people make in bolivia, peru, chile,
>> argentina,  ecuador guatemala and many places in altiplano (high
>> mountains)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha
>>
>> and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total  
>> discredit, is
>> not fashionable anymore but the conditions for women are not equal  
>> and we
>> face feminicide (this is extermination of women)in various areas  
>> of the
>> world. So I don't mind being sensitive to anything that is related to
>> this.
>> and some feminist from the south are excellent, in case you would  
>> like
>> some good internet radio
>>
>> http://nueva.radionumerocritico.cl/news.php
>>
>> I didn't start this thread on sexism because I didn't have any  
>> particular
>> complaint against this list although I can remember some situations
>> outside the list:
>>
>> - once a p

Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hmm, I wonder what magic the pure:dyne people used?  It would be very  
good to incorporate that into Pd-extended.  Luckily we are meeting on  
the 22nd to discuss that :D.

I notice your movie is an AVI, libquicktime is for Quicktime format,  
i.e .mov (but I guess you can also getting working with AVIs, like  
pure:dyne).  I think you should try to convert your movie to a .MOV.   
VLC makes it really easy with it's "wizard", under the "File" menu.

.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 6:54 AM, danja vasiliev wrote:

> no, still my mjpegs cant be loaded in PD. regardless all my  
> attempts and
> fiddling with versions of libquicktime, pd and pdp i can't get similar
> functionality to PD installation in current Pure:Dyne.
> http://royalrabbit.goto10.org/rl/NL_waag.org/testing/iso/ 
> puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC1.iso
>
> here is an example file of my struggle -
> http://k0a1a.net/snappy/13-08-2007/21.avi
>
> i'm still hoping to find a solution, though getting really tired and
> want rather to work on my art than to look at gcc output...
>
> thanks for your attention,
> danja
>
> danja vasiliev wrote:
>> that worked, always worked actually... (sorry didn't mentioned it)
>> my problem is that the files i have can be loaded too, in pure:dyne.
>> pdp run out is this:
>> ---
>> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 987 frames,  
>> MJPG codec)
>> pdp_qt using colormodel YUV420P
>> ---
>>
>> i'm lost,
>> i want the same in my ubuntu 8-]
>>
>> danja
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> Try the included MJPEG movie and see if that works, it's in
>>> /usr/local/lib/pd/doc/media/midr-mjpeg.mov.
>>>
>>> IIRC, libquicktime doesn't like all kinds of MJPEG, only certain  
>>> kinds.
>
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[PD] please test Pd-extended on debian-powerpc

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Si Mills wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've noted a couple of bugs:
>
> * FFT seems to be broke on PPC. I just get nasty crackles. (Pb G4 /
> 10.4.10)
> * [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a '~' to
> the external in the library to fix it.
> * [freeverb~] produces no sound

Hey,

Could you try today's build and report back?

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-17/

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[PD] [PD-announce] [Fwd: Fwd: Colloque POA2 à la Sorbonne]

[cyrille henry]

> Subject: Colloque POA2 à la Sorbonne
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> Colloque international
> PARIS, SORBONNE, 19 et 20 octobre 2007
>
> Vendredi 19 octobre 2007 de 15h00 à 20h15
> Samedi 20 octobre 2007 de 9h30 à 20h30
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> à l’Université Paris 1 - Panthéon-Sorbonne
> Amphithéâtre Richelieu
> 17 rue de la Sorbonne - 75005 Paris
>
> Entrée libre (inscription gratuite à l’adresse : [EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
> Colloque organisé par le
> Laboratoire des Arts et Médias [LAM-LETA]
> responsable du colloque : David-Olivier Lartigaud
>
> http://lam.univ-paris1.fr
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> Master Class PURE DATA
> avec Miller Puckette
> et en présence de Alexander Galloway, Cyrille Henry, Olivier Pasquet.
>
> à L’École nationale supérieure d’art de Nancy (ENSA Nancy)
> 1 avenue Boffrand - 54000 NANCY
> tél : 03 83 41 61 61
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> Dimanche 21 octobre 2007 de 10h00 à 17h00
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> Places limitées (inscription gratuite à l’adresse : [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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> Présentation générale
> Colloque Programmation orientée art 2
>
> Lors du précédent colloque «Programmation orientée art», en 2004,  
> la question de la programmation en art était en pleine  
> effervescence. Trois ans plus tard, les travaux continuent mais la  
> visibilité des œuvres semble amoindrie. Est-ce dû à une baisse de  
> la production artistique  ? N’était-ce qu’une simple «mode» ? Et la  
> programmation est-elle vraiment devenue un art ? Beaucoup d’œuvres  
> ont été faites durant ces dernières années et peut-être plus encore  
> de propositions théoriques. La nécessité d’un éclaircissement du  
> champ est donc urgente. Démêler les enjeux, dégager un espace  
> critique, faire un point objectif de la situation semble la  
> condition d’un «nouveau départ» afin d’éviter la répétition ou la  
> caricature de ce qui a déjà été fait.
> Ce colloque propose donc, en cinq sessions de conférences réparties  
> sur deux jours, de parcourir l’actualité de la pensée et de la  
> recherche artistique en ce domaine, toujours vif et riche de  
> promesses.
> 
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> Art et Code : Exposer/conserver/collectionner
> (vendredi 19 octobre - 15 h/18h - amphithéâtre Richelieu)
>
> Avec :
> Inke Arns (Directrice artistique de Hartware MedienKunstVerein,  
> Dortmund),
> Wolf Lieser (Directeur de la galerie [DAM], Berlin),
> Stéphane Maguet (Directeur de la galerie numeriscausa, Paris),
> Gilles Rouffineau (Professeur à l’École supérieure d’art de  
> Valence, LAM),
> Antoine Schmitt (Artiste, Paris),
> Nicolas Thély (Maître de conférences, Université Paris 1 - Panthéon- 
> Sorbonne, LAM).
>
> Exposer des œuvres programmées - de même que la conservation de  
> tels travaux - est un problème qui nécessite de nombreux  
> ajustements avec l’artiste. Une œuvre ancienne qui tourne sur une  
> machine récente ne perd-t-elle pas de son essence ? Comment gérer  
> l’obsolescence des supports ? Comment donner un avenir à des  
> oeuvres si tributaires de technologies et de logiciels en  
> perpétuelle mutation. Quant au marché de l’art, va-t-il réussir à  
> s’adapter ?
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> Art et code : Quelle histoire pour quel avenir ?
> (vendredi 19 octobre - 18 h/20h30 - amphithéâtre Richelieu)
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> Avec :
> Andreas Broeckmann (Historien d’art, Directeur artistique de TESLA,  
> Berlin),
> Geoff Cox (Artiste, Lecturer à l’Université de Plymouth),
> Darko Fritz (Artiste et commissaire d’exposition, Amsterdam/Zagreb),
> David-Olivier Lartigaud (Université Paris 1 - Panthéon-Sorbonne, LAM).
>
> Les créations des «pionniers» du «computer art» des années 60 et 70  
> retrouvent une vitalité : célébrées de nouveau, appréciées pour  
> leur rigueur tant formelle que conceptuelle, ces œuvres semblent  

Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Kevin McCoy]

Dude where can I get my hands on that software?!  Seriously that looks
ripped.  Anyone have any idea what the b1257+12 does?

km

On 10/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is true. I am not meaning to troll or bait. Sorry if it came off
> that way. I just hope we can get past the negativity.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> On 10/17/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In that case, as in this one, I think this is a more appropriate
> document:
> >
> > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/
> >
> > Especially the original alt.syntax.tactical FAQ makes for better reading
> > than much of what got posted here as the "sexism" thread "matured". Not
> > to mention the "beer" thread... It reminds me that (in the Northern
> > hemisphere at least) it's not full-on winter yet so maybe people should
> > try to get outside more often instead of starting or responding to witch
> > hunts and political correcting.
> >
> > In fact, I'm out the door right now.
> >
> > best,
> > d.
> >
> >
> > Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova
> > >
> > > For some reason I feel that this is appropriate.
> > >
> > > I hope our community can be a bit more mature...email lasts for n=n+1
> years.
> > >
> > > ~Kyle
> > >
> >
> > --
> > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl :::
> http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> > ---Oblique Strategy # 78:
> > "Go outside.  Shut the door."
> >
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[PD] pd to webpage

[mami music]

hi
i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring remotely
what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when showing on the
webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can be refreshed every 500
msec.

Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote connection from
PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using it´s
content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to look for:
programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using some sort of XML
or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there any starndar way to do
this?

thanks for your help


daniel
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Re: [PD] sound annotation

[marius schebella]

do you mean something like karaoke?
marius.

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> hello list,
> 
> I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information
> to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it?
> 
> I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords
> and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this
> but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me some
> clues where to find out more about this.
> 
> thanks in advance,
> 
> Alejandra
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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Patrice Colet]

mami music a écrit :
> hi
> i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring 
> remotely what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when 
> showing on the webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can be 
> refreshed every 500 msec.
>  
> Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote connection 
> from PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using 
> it´s content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to 
> look for: programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using 
> some sort of XML or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there 
> any starndar way to do this?
>  
> thanks for your help
>  
>  
> daniel

hello, I've looked into it once, and the PHP function fsockopen() should 
be in help for your project, just use netsend netreceive in pd for 
communication.

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[PD] sound annotation

[pueblo]

hello list,

I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information
to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it?

I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords
and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this
but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me some
clues where to find out more about this.

thanks in advance,

Alejandra


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Re: [PD] please test Pd-extended on debian-powerpc

[Patrice Colet]

Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

> Hey,
> 
> Could you try today's build and report back?
> 
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-17/
> 
> .hc

Hi HC,
  you're quite fast for building!
I'd like to make the test on win32 but there is only an installer 
executable so for testing a single external, the whole package has to be 
installed ,previous package needs to be uninstalled before otherwise we 
have to click thousand times on a dialogbox "yes overwrite", because 
there is no "Yes For All" button, also the option of uninstalling 
precedent version doesn't seem to appear during the install process. I 
think it's a little bit awkward to have to re-install everything for a 
single dll, but maybe there is good reason for that I've no clue about?

  So, could you provide an archive file with all binaries inside, then 
it would be possible to pick only the dll we wanna test.
  Or maybe it's posible with INNO installer to let the user having 
choices, like uninstalling previous version, or having choice of the 
desired stuff to install through checkboxes or something like that.

  Anyway, thank you for all the gargantuan work!

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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French) and mailing list and ...

[Alexandre Castonguay]

Hi all,

I agree with Jérôme's suggestions for the mailing lists so I'll henceforth 
post to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A bientot,

Alexandre

On Wednesday 17 October 2007 04:49:40 Jérôme Abel wrote:
> I try to resume informations to see what we have to do.
>
> Pdpedia translation
> ---
> I did the template following wiki administrator instruction. I think It's
> OK. But You may check it here.
> http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Modèle:Infobox_Objectclass
>
> In my opinion, We can translate website and infobox by "Site internet" and
> "Infos".
>
> Now in the template it's "Site Web" and "Infobox".
>
> But it's not very important now, isn't it ?
>
> PdPedia Import
> --
> In the AllPages, we have a lot of names. So It seems work fine.
>
> Thanks to Hans.
>
> Pdpedia mailing list
> 
> We have two propositions :
> http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia
> http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/patching-in-tongues
>
> May be we could discuss in french in the first one, and send a report
> message to the second one every week (or couple of week) to talk about our
> progression.
>
> I think we need a specific list to organise work together and do not
> disturb all other contributors.
>
> Pdpedia method
> --
> * start with Pd Vanilla : 20 objects by step. (in alphabetic order)
> * check all french pd contributors.
>
>
> PdPedia classification
> --
> Make easier navigation for artitic goal and newbie.
>
> two propositions :
> * see the classification in Processing web site (vidéo, audio, image,
> couleur, ...)
> http://processing.org/reference/index_ext.html
> http://processing.org/reference/libraries/index.html
>
> * see the classifictaion in Pdmtl abstractions
> http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents
>
> I don't understand how to make categorie in wikipedia...
>
> I think, the first step is to complete pd-vanilla. After we can try to
> organize it into more sensitiv categorie.
>
> The search engine seems hard to use, but may be someone work on it. It's
> quite hard to find objects ...
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Re: [PD] sound annotation

[Luiz Naveda]

Yes, it is possible with pd...

But I think this would be useful if you need something like a list of
words to work with the labels in realtime or any other especial
application.

There are good pieces of software to do this task for analysis. The
most famous is Praat - http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/

On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello list,
>
> I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information
> to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it?
>
> I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords
> and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this
> but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me some
> clues where to find out more about this.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Alejandra
>
>
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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote:

I think, one of the problems of [namecanvas] is that it's an object, and 
thus it can be deleted by a message. One suggested way out was to 
instead make namecanvas an actual property of the canvas, that is set 
through the props menu.


tell me what should happen to [import] and [block~]...

and if they have to be handled differently: why.

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Patrice Colet wrote:


 The proposed solution seems very good and AFAIU it would appear like
in this canvas pattern:
#X coords 0 1 99 -1 200 140 1 /$0-name-of-the-graph;
Unfortunately I've no clue how to do it myself yet, and hope this is not
"talk for nothing".


It's not a slash, it's a backslash, just as in Bash and Tcl.

non-backslashed $ should never appear in a patch file.

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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French) and mailing list and ...

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:27 AM, Olivier Heinry wrote:

> Le mercredi 17 octobre 2007 à 10:49 +0200, Jérôme Abel a écrit :
>> I try to resume informations to see what we have to do.
>>
>> Pdpedia translation
>> ---
>> I did the template following wiki administrator instruction. I  
>> think It's OK.
>> But You may check it here.
>> http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Modèle:Infobox_Objectclass
>
> The {{{Nom}}} appears twice, except for that it looks fine
>
>
>> In my opinion, We can translate website and infobox by "Site  
>> internet" and
>> "Infos".
>>
>> Now in the template it's "Site Web" and "Infobox".
>>
>> But it's not very important now, isn't it ?
>
> Sorry for posting before checking my email again. Anyways, these are
> minor differencies which dont clutter the meaning
>
>
>>
>> PdPedia Import
>> --
>> In the AllPages, we have a lot of names. So It seems work fine.
>>
>
>>
>> Pdpedia mailing list
>> 
>> We have two propositions :
>> http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia
>> http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/patching-in- 
>> tongues
>>
>> May be we could discuss in french in the first one, and send a  
>> report message to
>> the second one every week (or couple of week) to talk about our  
>> progression.
>
> a report in english
>
>> I think we need a specific list to organise work together and do  
>> not disturb all
>> other contributors.
>
> I agree. the reason most people cancel their subscription is too much
> traffic.
>
>> Pdpedia method
>> --
>> * start with Pd Vanilla : 20 objects by step. (in alphabetic order)
>> * check all french pd contributors.
>
> french-speaking ;-)
>
> BTW, is it possible to display besides the name of the object, its
> status (still a stub , or "complete") and or the name of the latest
> contributor?
>
> It would greatly speed up the group translation process to check at  
> one
> glance (well, almost...) what's still to do. I'm not really  
> experienced
> with wikimedia, so if anyone is

There are a lot of tools for working with mediawiki, just think of  
the quantity that wikipedia handles.  There is lots of built-in  
reporting, like history and categories.  Check the "Special" pages.

Then there are things like a wikipedia mode for Emacs and other  
editors, and RSS tools for editors.

.hc


>
> ++
>
> O.
>
>>
>> PdPedia classification
>> --
>> Make easier navigation for artitic goal and newbie.
>>
>> two propositions :
>> * see the classification in Processing web site (vidéo, audio,  
>> image, couleur,
>> ...)
>> http://processing.org/reference/index_ext.html
>> http://processing.org/reference/libraries/index.html
>>
>> * see the classifictaion in Pdmtl abstractions
>> http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents
>>
>> I don't understand how to make categorie in wikipedia...
>>
>> I think, the first step is to complete pd-vanilla. After we can  
>> try to organize
>> it into more sensitiv categorie.
>>
>> The search engine seems hard to use, but may be someone work on  
>> it. It's quite
>> hard to find objects ...





 


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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:

>
>
> On Wed Oct 17  0:08 , Frank Barknecht  sent:
>
>> Hallo,
>> Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:
>>
>>> My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad  
>>> another.
>>> remember there was some discussion recently about how to add  
>>> more, but I
>>> can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?
>>
>> Hm, this gets asked (and answered) once every 1.5 weeks. What can we
>> do about it?
>
> maybe a little help or hint link inside the preference dialogue  
> that points to
> http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/TipsAndTricks#add-more-entries- 
> to-the-path-and-library-dialogs
>
> would help a lot.
>
> any tcl/tk heroes around?

It would be much better to actually create a preferences pane that  
can handle more than 10 items.  If someone handles building the GUI,  
I'll help make it work in Pd.  If you've done any kind of GUI  
building, then it's quite straightforward.  You don't really have to  
know Tcl at all.

http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/pd/src/u_main.tk? 
view=markup

At line 4124, you'll see proc pdtk_path_dialog {id extrapath  
verbose}, that's the function that draws the preference pane.  "wm"  
is the sets the window properties, "frame" is a frame for GUI  
elements, like Swing or any other GUI toolkit, "pack" gathers  
together the elements into a unit.  "button" is a button,  
"checkbutton" is a checkbox, "entry" is a textfield, etc.

You can edit that file in your Pd install (/usr/local/lib/pd/bin/ 
pd.tk, /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd.tk, or  
C:\Program Files\pd\bin\pd.tk)

.hc


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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Oops, sorry, that was the suggestion...

About Infobox, Wikipedia Français uses that word:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Infobox

Sounds like this translation is ready to go, shall I run the import?

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 10:05 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think that was the suggestion. The double 'bb' for that word is  
> in the first
> list.  I like the translations but don't know about 'infobox'...'boite
> d'infos' ou simplement 'infos'?
>
> A bientot,
>
> Alexandre
>
> On Tuesday 16 October 2007 20:36:54 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> I think you've been infected by English! ;)  My online translator  
>> says
>>
>> abbreviation = abréviation
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Olivier Heinry wrote:
>>> Hello les francophones
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> one single typo correction since Jerome Abel' latest proposal:
>>>
>>> $abbreviation: Abréviation
>>>
>>> Should we go for this then?
>>> Any major objection?
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
>>> # wikipedia terms
>>> $stub = "Ébauche";
>>> $template = "Modèle";
>>> $category = "Catégorie";
>>> $infobox = "Infobox";
>>>
>>> # pdpedia terms
>>> $objectclass = "Classe d'objets";
>>>
>>> # page headers
>>> $inlets = "Entrées";
>>> $outlets = "Sorties";
>>> $arguments = "Arguments";
>>> $messages = "Messages";
>>>
>>> # infobox
>>> $name = "Nom";
>>> $description = "Description";
>>> $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
>>> $library = "Bibliothèque";
>>> $author = "Auteur";
>>> $developer = "Développeur";
>>> $releaseVersion = "Version";
>>> $releaseDate = "Date";
>>> $dependencies = "Dépendances";
>>> $license = "Licence";
>>> $website = "Site Web";
>>> $programmingLanguage = "Langage de programmation";
>>> $platform = "Plate-forme";
>>> $operatingSystem = "Système d'exploitation";
>>> $language = "Langue";
>>> $dataType = "Type de données";
>>> $distributions = "Distributions";
>>>
>>> $status = "État";
>>> $example image = "Image d'exemple";
>>> $caption = "Légende";
>>> $language = "Langue";
>>> $helppatch name = "Nom du patch d'aide";
>>> $cpu use index = "Utilisation du processeur";
>>>
>>> Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 16:11 +0200, Olivier Heinry a écrit :
 Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 12:23 +0200, Nicolas Montgermont a

 écrit :
> It seems fine for me,
>
> except perhaps Library -> Bibliothèque.
> I prefer the "Librairie" word, it seems more used in computing to
> me and
> keeps a strong correlation with the english word.
> Wikipedia says we can use both:
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblioth%C3%A8que_logicielle
> ... it's a detail

 To me , it's wrong, une librairie => a bookshop
 It's a "faux-ami" and should be recognized as such! Computer world
 has a
 tendency to laziness...
 Let's stick to "Bibliothèque"

> Jérôme Abel a écrit :
>> After some messages, the new french translation.
>>
>> Is it OK for everyone ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> $infobox = "Infobox";

 I dont like it, still we don't have anything better (as compact and
 accurate, "Boîte d'information" c'est relou)

>> $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";

 un seul b : "Abréviation"

>> $library = "Bibliothèque";
>>
 :-)
 :
>> $website = "Site Web";

 pas mieux :-)

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Re: [PD] pdpedia classifications

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:

> Olivier Heinry a écrit :
>>
>>> PdPedia classification
>>> --
>>> Make easier navigation for artitic goal and newbie.
>>>
>
> One important thing is to classify between actual and deprecated
> externals...
> Nothing is more frustrating than trying to compile and use an
> external... and finally seeing it was designed for pd 0.33 or to  
> compile
> with an old gcc :)
> I don't know how to implement that, maybe all externals should  
> start as
> deprecated and the status is changed as soon as someone has used it
> (leaving a comment in the edit page with working os and pd version) ??

Yeah, that's the idea of the status field.  Perhaps when something is  
marked deprecated, it should include the date and last Pd version of  
the deprecation.

.hc

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> Greetings,
>
> Nicolas
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> PS: I've changed the title for a more general discussion...
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Re: [PD] Fwd: portuguese pdpedia template

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:46 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote:

>> Good idea. If you want to make a list of those, I'll do the import.
>
> ok, I'll work on it when possible.
>
>
>>> I would also like if someone in the english version (the  
>>> "official" one) would put one day to finish at least one object  
>>> as good as possible, to serve as reference for others (including  
>>> putting an image, etc.). in my experience, opening the doors and  
>>> unleashing the users without a kind of direction to follow will  
>>> sooner or later lead to waste of time/energy and disenchantement  
>>> from the involved working persons.
>>
>> I wouldn't call the English one the official one, I hope they'll  
>> all be official.  We are all figuring out how to do this.  We  
>> don't have a "complete" one yet, but I know that Marius is working  
>> on getting things running smoothly.  Nicolas has put some good  
>> work into this one:
>
> of course there's no official one, but the english one is the most  
> advanced - duh, the documentation was already in english -, and the  
> common language to the main people involved in pd, pidip etc. is  
> english. My point is that a solid reference page would be important  
> to have - one of the web's problems isn't lack of information, is  
> just lack of quality of information. And it would be good if that  
> page would be finished soon, because the doors are about to open  
> for free editing.

Definitely,  I am hoping that many people will contribute.  No one  
need ask permission to edit anything, everything is open to editing,  
please do!  I think this would be a good opportunity to get the  
contributions of more people beyond the standard set.  I think  
everyone's heard enough from me. ;)


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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Patrice Colet]

Patrice Colet a écrit :
> mami music a écrit :
>> hi
>> i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring 
>> remotely what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when 
>> showing on the webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can 
>> be refreshed every 500 msec.
>>  
>> Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote connection 
>> from PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using 
>> it´s content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to 
>> look for: programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using 
>> some sort of XML or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there 
>> any starndar way to do this?
>>  
>> thanks for your help
>>  
>>  
>> daniel
> 
> hello, I've looked into it once, and the PHP function fsockopen() should 
> be in help for your project, just use netsend netreceive in pd for 
> communication.
> 
you might be interested by this:

http://lists.artengine.ca/pipermail/pdmtl/2004-December/000126.html

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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[chris clepper]

It only runs on OS9 so you need an older Mac.

b1257+12 was a sample mangling patch.  I don't recall how many samples it
loaded (2?) but it really did not do that much out of the ordinary.  It may
have had some random walk type of parameter changes and in true NN style the
interface was inscrutable.

Plus you had to deal with them to get the thing in the first place.  Not a
stable or rational group to try and do a transaction with.  For example, I
am one of two non-c74 employees banned from using Nato for life (the other
is Sean Booth of Autechre).  NN was amusing then annoying then pathetic in a
space of maybe 18 months.

On 10/17/07, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dude where can I get my hands on that software?!  Seriously that looks
> ripped.  Anyone have any idea what the b1257+12 does?
>
> km
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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> You can edit that file in your Pd install (/usr/local/lib/pd/bin/ 
> pd.tk, /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd.tk, or  
> C:\Program Files\pd\bin\pd.tk)

the problem is, that pd(-engine) won't send more than 10 paths to the 
pd-gui; so you can add as many slots as you want, but you will still 
lose you changes once you re-open the path-dialog and save.


that's why i (as total tcl/tk noob) did this patch:
https://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1810951&group_id=55736&atid=478072


mfga.sdr
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Re: [PD] pdpedia classifications

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
> Yeah, that's the idea of the status field.  Perhaps when something is  
> marked deprecated, it should include the date and last Pd version of  
> the deprecation.

hmm, is an external that works fine with pd-0.33 "deprecated"?
just because pd-0.33 might be considered "deprecated"? after all pd-0.33 
is still available.
in this case, pd-0.39 might be deprecated as well (even though the 
current pd-exteded is based on that). are all externals that work only 
with the latest release of pd-extended (but not with 0.40 or 0.41 (once 
this gets out)) to be deprecated then?

i would rather have a more positive field "works with:" (last known 
pd-version to work with)

how about the other way round? "requires:" (pd>0.30)

what with externals that change with Pd?
(v1.0 works with pd-0.37..0.39; v2.0 works with 0.40..)


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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Kevin McCoy]

> b1257+12 was a sample mangling patch.  I don't recall how many samples it
> loaded (2?) but it really did not do that much out of the ordinary.  It may
> have had some random walk type of parameter changes and in true NN style the
> interface was inscrutable.


Ah, I see.  Oh well!  I thought those rotating circle things looked good.

Plus you had to deal with them to get the thing in the first place.  Not a
> stable or rational group to try and do a transaction with.  For example, I
> am one of two non-c74 employees banned from using Nato for life (the other
> is Sean Booth of Autechre).  NN was amusing then annoying then pathetic in a
> space of maybe 18 months.


I had to laugh at this!

Thanks for the info, Chris.

km
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Alexandre Castonguay]

Hiya,

It can load the web pages now but it 'locks up' pd while the browser window is 
open.  I think you need to background it with '&' at the end of the command 
to launch the browser?

Here's the log :

   while executing
"exec sh -c [format "%s %s" $browser $filename]"
(procedure "menu_openhtml" line 9)
invoked from within

Thanks for you work!

Alexandre

On Tuesday 16 October 2007 18:42:50 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> Ok, fixed that.  It should work tomorrow.  :)
>
> .hc
>
> On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:
> > Hi Hans,
> >
> > I get an error when trying the web links from help menu, it seems
> > to add a
> > slash before the address. Cool feature however. I'm running Kubuntu
> > (feisty).
> >
> > 'Firefox ne peut trouver le fichier à l'adresse /http://puredata.org.'
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > a
> >
> > On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:03:23 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >> Please test this build lots!  If no one finds anything that needs
> >> fixing, I am going to release this exact version:
> >>
> >> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/
> >>
> >> There are some known bugs, but they are big and will have to wait for
> >> the next release.  Other than that, let's make sure there are no
> >> other outstanding issues.
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
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Re: [PD] sound annotation

[pueblo]

> do you mean something like karaoke?
> marius.

:)
well more like audiofiles that can be tagged
hopefully the notes will be stored in a db and then yes you could make a
karaoke or a sound map.

Praat looks good , thanks Luiz .
I am reading of aubio library too. wonder if I can save the associated
notes as separate text files, xml files maybe.

thnx!
A

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>>
>> I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text
>> information
>> to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it?
>>
>> I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate
>> keywords
>> and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this
>> but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me
>> some
>> clues where to find out more about this.
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>>
>> Alejandra
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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Patrice Colet]

mami music a écrit :

> Did you manage to make this system PD-PHP or not yet?
>  

  I manage to use PHP for communicating between two computers that use pd.
  One computer is a video server, the other one is an interface client.
  Both allready communicates with OSCs protocol.
I want the server to display on a web page available projects, video 
files, texture images etc..., (also some PHP scripting will certainly be 
a lot easier than using python for doing weird stuff like downloading 
images from google image, or using regex for text to phoneme translation 
...).
  Then instead of using one of the complicated scripting language for 
displaying an interface (tkinter, tcl-tk, PHP-gtk, etc..., I'd just use 
html, php, javascript, and css, which are fairly well documented, and 
less exposed to weird bugs, and safer for a long term project.
  Also it's not complete yet because I'm a noob in all (and maybe at all 
in short) scripting languages, but I always give some tries.
  If you want I'll let you informed by this project. We could share PHP 
scripts etc... through the mailing list, or create a mailing list for that?

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Re: [PD] sound annotation

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

WAV files can store notes, IIRC.  Or at least Audacity can tie text  
to audio projects.  I am sure other audio editors can too, but I am  
not sure there is currently a way to get that text in Pd.

.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>> do you mean something like karaoke?
>> marius.
>
> :)
> well more like audiofiles that can be tagged
> hopefully the notes will be stored in a db and then yes you could  
> make a
> karaoke or a sound map.
>
> Praat looks good , thanks Luiz .
> I am reading of aubio library too. wonder if I can save the associated
> notes as separate text files, xml files maybe.
>
> thnx!
> A
>
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> hello list,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text
>>> information
>>> to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it?
>>>
>>> I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate
>>> keywords
>>> and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking  
>>> for this
>>> but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me
>>> some
>>> clues where to find out more about this.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Alejandra
>>>
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Re: [PD] pdpedia classifications

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On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:39 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
>> Yeah, that's the idea of the status field.  Perhaps when something  
>> is  marked deprecated, it should include the date and last Pd  
>> version of  the deprecation.
>
> hmm, is an external that works fine with pd-0.33 "deprecated"?
> just because pd-0.33 might be considered "deprecated"? after all  
> pd-0.33 is still available.
> in this case, pd-0.39 might be deprecated as well (even though the  
> current pd-exteded is based on that). are all externals that work  
> only with the latest release of pd-extended (but not with 0.40 or  
> 0.41 (once this gets out)) to be deprecated then?
>
> i would rather have a more positive field "works with:" (last known  
> pd-version to work with)
>
> how about the other way round? "requires:" (pd>0.30)
>
> what with externals that change with Pd?
> (v1.0 works with pd-0.37..0.39; v2.0 works with 0.40..)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecated

"deprecated" is a status that the author gives to code to say that  
there is a better version available which should be used instead.   
It's not a mark of whether something works or not.

.hc

>
>
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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[tim]

Hello,

I did something similar with the ncftpput command to [shell].
It may be very un-standard indeed but it worked for me and is quite simple.
The example patch generates a textfile  in your home directory with some 
random data and sends it over ftp.

Then refresh the page in your browser to see the updates...
see http://www.timvets.net/software/pd_ncftpput_example.pd

Tim

mami music wrote:

hi
i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring 
remotely what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when 
showing on the webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can 
be refreshed every 500 msec.
 
Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote connection 
from PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using 
it´s content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to 
look for: programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using 
some sort of XML or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there 
any starndar way to do this?
 
thanks for your help
 
 
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#N canvas 28 31 710 571 10;
#X obj 192 297 shell;
#X obj 192 329 print;
#X obj 106 65 until;
#X msg 106 41 500;
#X msg 106 205 add2 \$1;
#X obj 106 412 textfile;
#X obj 103 -15 t b b b b;
#X obj 103 -45 metro 2;
#X msg 170 17 set;
#X obj 103 -66 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 0
1;
#X text 138 -112 this uploads a new version of a test file to;
#X text 256 197 the program ncftp must be installed;
#X text 250 216 (on ubuntu: sudo apt-get install ncftp);
#X obj 106 115 sel 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7;
#X obj 106 91 random 8;
#X obj 106 179 symbol;
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#X msg 178 147 u;
#X msg 214 147 u;
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#X msg 286 149 n;
#X msg 323 149 h;
#X msg 357 149 u;
#X msg 106 148 h;
#X text 138 -72 every 20 seconds \, using ncftpput;
#X text 140 -93 the specified location;
#X msg 192 243 ncftpput -u  -p   

;
#X msg 125 373 write /home/testpdftp.txt;
#X text 604 248 < adapt !;
#X text 308 413 example at www.timvets.net/testpdftp.txt;
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#X connect 2 0 14 0;
#X connect 3 0 2 0;
#X connect 4 0 5 0;
#X connect 6 0 26 0;
#X connect 6 1 27 0;
#X connect 6 2 3 0;
#X connect 6 3 8 0;
#X connect 7 0 6 0;
#X connect 8 0 5 0;
#X connect 9 0 7 0;
#X connect 13 0 23 0;
#X connect 13 1 16 0;
#X connect 13 2 17 0;
#X connect 13 3 18 0;
#X connect 13 4 19 0;
#X connect 13 5 20 0;
#X connect 13 6 21 0;
#X connect 13 7 22 0;
#X connect 14 0 13 0;
#X connect 15 0 4 0;
#X connect 16 0 15 0;
#X connect 17 0 15 0;
#X connect 18 0 15 0;
#X connect 19 0 15 0;
#X connect 20 0 15 0;
#X connect 21 0 15 0;
#X connect 22 0 15 0;
#X connect 23 0 15 0;
#X connect 26 0 0 0;
#X connect 27 0 5 0;
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Re: [PD] sound annotation

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>> do you mean something like karaoke?
>> marius.
> 
> :)
> well more like audiofiles that can be tagged
> hopefully the notes will be stored in a db and then yes you could make a
> karaoke or a sound map.
> 
> Praat looks good , thanks Luiz .
> I am reading of aubio library too. wonder if I can save the associated
> notes as separate text files, xml files maybe.

Hello,
  even better, the associated notes could be saved inside the soundfile 
as well like it is done with mp3 tags.
  d_soundfile.c would have to be modified for reading/writing those 
comments, anyone knows how?

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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French) and mailing list and ...

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Jérôme's suggestions for the mailing lists so I'll  
> henceforth
> post to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> A bientot,
>
> Alexandre
>
> On Wednesday 17 October 2007 04:49:40 Jérôme Abel wrote:
>> I try to resume informations to see what we have to do.
>>
>> Pdpedia translation
>> ---
>> I did the template following wiki administrator instruction. I  
>> think It's
>> OK. But You may check it here.
>> http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Modèle:Infobox_Objectclass

This should be:

http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Modèle:Infobox_Classe_d'objets

Then you can make Modèle:Infobox_Objectclass a redirect, if you want,  
like this;

#redirect [[Modèle:Infobox_Classe_d'objets]]

>>
>> In my opinion, We can translate website and infobox by "Site  
>> internet" and
>> "Infos".
>>
>> Now in the template it's "Site Web" and "Infobox".
>>
>> But it's not very important now, isn't it ?
>>
>> PdPedia Import
>> --
>> In the AllPages, we have a lot of names. So It seems work fine.
>>
>> Thanks to Hans.

Marius and others did a ton of work on this also, I am just running  
the imports, so I am currently more visible.

>>
>> Pdpedia mailing list
>> 
>> We have two propositions :
>> http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia
>> http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/patching-in- 
>> tongues
>>
>> May be we could discuss in french in the first one, and send a report
>> message to the second one every week (or couple of week) to talk  
>> about our
>> progression.
>>
>> I think we need a specific list to organise work together and do not
>> disturb all other contributors.
>>
>> Pdpedia method
>> --
>> * start with Pd Vanilla : 20 objects by step. (in alphabetic order)
>> * check all french pd contributors.
>>
>>
>> PdPedia classification
>> --
>> Make easier navigation for artitic goal and newbie.
>>
>> two propositions :
>> * see the classification in Processing web site (vidéo, audio, image,
>> couleur, ...)
>> http://processing.org/reference/index_ext.html
>> http://processing.org/reference/libraries/index.html
>>
>> * see the classifictaion in Pdmtl abstractions
>> http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents
>>
>> I don't understand how to make categorie in wikipedia...

Just add a category tag to the page, like this:

[[Category:mynewcategory]]

The rest is automatic.

.hc

>>
>> I think, the first step is to complete pd-vanilla. After we can  
>> try to
>> organize it into more sensitiv categorie.
>>
>> The search engine seems hard to use, but may be someone work on  
>> it. It's
>> quite hard to find objects ...
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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:32 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> You can edit that file in your Pd install (/usr/local/lib/pd/bin/  
>> pd.tk, /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd.tk,  
>> or  C:\Program Files\pd\bin\pd.tk)
>
> the problem is, that pd(-engine) won't send more than 10 paths to  
> the pd-gui; so you can add as many slots as you want, but you will  
> still lose you changes once you re-open the path-dialog and save.
>
>
> that's why i (as total tcl/tk noob) did this patch:
> https://sf.net/tracker/index.php? 
> func=detail&aid=1810951&group_id=55736&atid=478072

Looks interesting, it would be much easier for us to test it if you  
check it into packages/patches, then it'll be in all the autobuilds. :D

I have two comments on it:

- Instead of having an 'entry' for each line, I think there should be  
a scrollable text field of fixed size, like 10 elements or so.  Then  
that textfield can handle unlimited numbers of paths.  Then there  
would be a + and - button to add and remove things.

- instead of having pd_startup0 thru pd_startupN as global variables,  
it seems like it would be much cleaner if pd_startup (and pd_path for  
that matter) were array or list references.

.hc


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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Martin Peach]

mami music wrote:

hi
i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring remotely
what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when showing on the
webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can be refreshed every 
500

msec.

Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote connection from
PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using it´s
content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to look for:
programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using some sort of 
XML

or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there any starndar way to do
this?


It's also possible to have pd generate the webpage directly, using 
[tcpserver].


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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Ok, found the bug and fixed it.  When Pd launchs the browser directly  
rather than with some kind of "open" command like gnome-open, it  
needs to start it with an & so that Pd doesn't wait for it to finish.

.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> It can load the web pages now but it 'locks up' pd while the  
> browser window is
> open.  I think you need to background it with '&' at the end of the  
> command
> to launch the browser?
>
> Here's the log :
>
>while executing
> "exec sh -c [format "%s %s" $browser $filename]"
> (procedure "menu_openhtml" line 9)
> invoked from within
>
> Thanks for you work!
>
> Alexandre
>
> On Tuesday 16 October 2007 18:42:50 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> Ok, fixed that.  It should work tomorrow.  :)
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:
>>> Hi Hans,
>>>
>>> I get an error when trying the web links from help menu, it seems
>>> to add a
>>> slash before the address. Cool feature however. I'm running Kubuntu
>>> (feisty).
>>>
>>> 'Firefox ne peut trouver le fichier à l'adresse /http:// 
>>> puredata.org.'
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>> On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:03:23 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 Please test this build lots!  If no one finds anything that needs
 fixing, I am going to release this exact version:

 http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/

 There are some known bugs, but they are big and will have to  
 wait for
 the next release.  Other than that, let's make sure there are no
 other outstanding issues.

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Re: [PD] please test Pd-extended on debian-powerpc

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Patrice Colet wrote:

> Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
>
>> Hey,
>> Could you try today's build and report back?
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-17/
>> .hc
>
> Hi HC,
>  you're quite fast for building!
> I'd like to make the test on win32 but there is only an installer  
> executable so for testing a single external, the whole package has  
> to be installed ,previous package needs to be uninstalled before  
> otherwise we have to click thousand times on a dialogbox "yes  
> overwrite", because there is no "Yes For All" button, also the  
> option of uninstalling precedent version doesn't seem to appear  
> during the install process. I think it's a little bit awkward to  
> have to re-install everything for a single dll, but maybe there is  
> good reason for that I've no clue about?
>
>  So, could you provide an archive file with all binaries inside,  
> then it would be possible to pick only the dll we wanna test.
>  Or maybe it's posible with INNO installer to let the user having  
> choices, like uninstalling previous version, or having choice of  
> the desired stuff to install through checkboxes or something like  
> that.
>
>  Anyway, thank you for all the gargantuan work!

Patches welcome!

People have mentioned doing such things in the past.  I'm not a  
Windows user, so I only have time to fix the Windows bugs in the code  
that I write.  If you'd like to work on the Windows side of Pd, that  
would be much appreciated.

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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[mami music]

2007/10/17, Martin Peach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> mami music wrote:
> >hi
> >i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring
> remotely
> >what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when showing on the
> >webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can be refreshed every
> >500
> >msec.
> >
> >Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote connection
> from
> >PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using it´s
> >content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to look
> for:
> >programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using some sort of
> >XML
> >or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there any starndar way to
> do
> >this?
>
> It's also possible to have pd generate the webpage directly, using
> [tcpserver].
>
> Martin
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[bigswift]

most ISMs turn into cottage industries IMHO, feminism is definitely among them
for the record my C++ teacher was a woman, and in Supercollider class we were 
pretty much 50/50 men and women, sharing ideas and helping each other with code.
people make mistakes and students can be cruel, but i no longer hop on board 
with the men are sex obsessed macho turds, aren't they? stance. 
For example: i used to do two benefits a year for the local NOW chapter, 
playing music etc.. Until one year their slogan was "Don;t be a DICK" meaning 
do not abuse women etc..
BUt the members of the group felt they needed to inflict this slogan via pins 
and buttons and whatnot on the MEN present at the function. 

moral: choose your audiences and soapbox carefully 

and try not to post the same reply 3 time if possible!

lol











 Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> You absolutely have a valid opinion, its' good to hear it on this  
> list.  Now it seems that this thread is actually getting somewhere.   
> I had decided to ignore it, so I didn't realize the depths it had  
> fallen to.
> 
> I also have a strong distaste for the "gang bang" talk and macho  
> programming. It seems that computer music is one of the last bastions  
> of male dominance, I mean even most Linux events are at least 20%  
> female, not so in the computer music world.  As someone who was  
> raised by a strong feminist, I have always wondered what I could do  
> to change that.  So far I haven't found an answer, but I am always  
> open to suggestions.
> 
> It does seem that the macho geek culture is a common complaint.  A  
> friend of mine started college in the Mechanical Engineering  
> department since she'd always wanted to make things.  She was one of  
> few women in the department, and was constantly challenged and mocked  
> because she was a woman.  Needless to say, she changed departments,  
> but still wishes she was a mechanical engineer.  Sadly, I think that  
> such things happen with Pd a lot as well.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Alicia Byer wrote:
> 
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I
> > don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties
> > also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and
> > attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make  
> > me not
> > want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out.  
> > It's
> > just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two
> > women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a  
> > real
> > "jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I
> > guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to
> > learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't
> > be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's
> > 2007!!! Not the stone age.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks everybody.
> >
> > -Alicia
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> hey ho
> >>>
> >>
> >> hi roman
> >>
> >>
> >>> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread  
> >>> in a
> >>> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered  
> >>> through
> >>> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at  
> >>> all to
> >>> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming  
> >>> to a
> >>> point.
> >>>
> >>
> >> thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic  
> >> of sexism
> >> which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there.  
> >> gender, we
> >> keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance.
> >>
> >> for example this
> >> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html
> >>
> >> If I remember well Matju was also molested by this.
> >> to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a
> >> deeper degree in the conversation.
> >> It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough  it was  
> >> followed by a
> >> funny advertisementlike max msp thread)
> >>
> >> I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in
> >> Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to  
> >> mention some
> >> practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women
> >> that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self  
> >> employed
> >> and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are not
> >> 'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of  
> >> technology in
> >> our work with sensors, diy, electronica,  computer music, web
> >> programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to  
> >> answer it!.
> >>
> >> I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last  
> >> problem
> >> was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that  
> >> thread until
> >> the end ;)
> >>
> >>  since this is still a list about pd, 

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Martin Peach wrote:

> mami music wrote:
>> hi
>> i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring  
>> remotely
>> what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when showing  
>> on the
>> webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can be refreshed  
>> every 500
>> msec.
>>
>> Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote  
>> connection from
>> PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using  
>> it´s
>> content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to  
>> look for:
>> programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using some  
>> sort of XML
>> or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there any starndar  
>> way to do
>> this?
>
> It's also possible to have pd generate the webpage directly, using  
> [tcpserver].

That would be awesome, are there any working examples of htis?

.hc

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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[bigswift]

Speak of the devil and up she will pop!

basically as i recall C74 stole Nato+ as jitter

lol






 chris clepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> It only runs on OS9 so you need an older Mac.
> 
> b1257+12 was a sample mangling patch.  I don't recall how many samples it
> loaded (2?) but it really did not do that much out of the ordinary.  It may
> have had some random walk type of parameter changes and in true NN style the
> interface was inscrutable.
> 
> Plus you had to deal with them to get the thing in the first place.  Not a
> stable or rational group to try and do a transaction with.  For example, I
> am one of two non-c74 employees banned from using Nato for life (the other
> is Sean Booth of Autechre).  NN was amusing then annoying then pathetic in a
> space of maybe 18 months.
> 
> On 10/17/07, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dude where can I get my hands on that software?!  Seriously that looks
> > ripped.  Anyone have any idea what the b1257+12 does?
> >
> > km

--
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Re: [PD] sound annotation

[patrick]

there's timing.cues~ patched by alexandre quessy in pdmtl abstractions:
http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions

not sure if it's what you are looking for.

pat


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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: [PD] sound annotation


> hello list,
>
> I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information
> to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it?
>
> I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords
> and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this
> but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me some
> clues where to find out more about this.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Alejandra
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Roman Haefeli]

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 23:22 -0700, Alicia Byer wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I 
> don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties 
> also. And as far as the thread making anybody's skin crawl, I agree with 
> Darsh. The kind of terms and attitudes being thrown around about 
> gang-bangs and gross sex make me not want to join in any discussions. 

i think, the best thing you could do about it is to just tell
immediately, if you encounter something, that troubles you. please do
not just ignore it. things can only be changed, if they are
labeled/specifed/named. i can understand, that you would rather stay a
way from such a thread, but by reacting to bad behaviour, the
consciousness of the community about such issues will grow. and i am
pretty sure, that the majority of the list would agree with you. once
this kind of sense is established, i think noone would like to use words
like 'gang bang' in his/her mails anymore. 

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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Martin Peach]

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Martin Peach wrote:

> mami music wrote:
>> hi
>> i wanna show some data of a pd patch on a webpage, for monitoring
>> remotely
>> what is going on on the patch. It can have a latency when showing
>> on the
>> webpage. and data would be integrer numbers, that can be refreshed
>> every 500
>> msec.
>>
>> Im wondering how to create a webpage that receives a remote
>> connection from
>> PD (i have no clue of what sort  [netsend]? or  [osc]?) and using
>> it´s
>> content to update the data on the page. Which is the direction to
>> look for:
>> programming in javascript the code of the webpage? or using some
>> sort of XML
>> or PHP? (which i have no experience at all) is there any starndar
>> way to do
>> this?
>
> It's also possible to have pd generate the webpage directly, using
> [tcpserver].

That would be awesome, are there any working examples of htis?



I have a minimal "hello world from pd" example, on another machine of 
course. I'll post the patch as soon as I find it...


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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:


newer versions of debian (and therefore ubuntu) have replaced
libquicktime0 (0.9.x) by libquicktime1 (1.0.x)
most likely these are binary compatible


0.9.7 and 0.9.8 are definitely not binary-compatible with each other, 
although package systems allow upgrade from one to the other.


more generally, this is about versions < 0.9.8 vs >= 0.9.8.

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I forgot to add, I think there are very few people on this list who  
are deliberately trying to exclude people.  There are a wide range of  
cultures involved in this list, and some things that are not a big  
deal in some places are quite offensive in others.  And email is  
never a good medium for communicating subtleties, like tongue-in- 
cheek, sarcasm, etc.


So in the hopes of sharing Pd, I hope we can keep that in mind when  
posting.  I know I learned a lesson when I said "hey guys" on this  
list in the past.  In California (where I grew up), men and women,  
feminists and not, commonly use "hey guys" to mean all people, not  
just males.  Others read that as "hey men", which is certainly not  
what I meant to say...


.hc


On Oct 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



You absolutely have a valid opinion, its' good to hear it on this  
list.  Now it seems that this thread is actually getting  
somewhere.  I had decided to ignore it, so I didn't realize the  
depths it had fallen to.


I also have a strong distaste for the "gang bang" talk and macho  
programming. It seems that computer music is one of the last  
bastions of male dominance, I mean even most Linux events are at  
least 20% female, not so in the computer music world.  As someone  
who was raised by a strong feminist, I have always wondered what I  
could do to change that.  So far I haven't found an answer, but I  
am always open to suggestions.


It does seem that the macho geek culture is a common complaint.  A  
friend of mine started college in the Mechanical Engineering  
department since she'd always wanted to make things.  She was one  
of few women in the department, and was constantly challenged and  
mocked because she was a woman.  Needless to say, she changed  
departments, but still wishes she was a mechanical engineer.   
Sadly, I think that such things happen with Pd a lot as well.


.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Alicia Byer wrote:


Hi everybody,

Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I
don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties
also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and
attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make  
me not
want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out.  
It's

just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two
women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be  
a real

"jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I
guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to
learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women  
can't

be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's
2007!!! Not the stone age.

Anyway, thanks everybody.

-Alicia

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hey ho



hi roman


let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread  
in a
dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered  
through
very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at  
all to
the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming  
to a

point.



thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic  
of sexism
which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there.  
gender, we

keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance.

for example this
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html

If I remember well Matju was also molested by this.
to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a
deeper degree in the conversation.
It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough  it was  
followed by a

funny advertisementlike max msp thread)

I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in
Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to  
mention some

practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women
that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self  
employed
and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are  
not
'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of  
technology in

our work with sensors, diy, electronica,  computer music, web
programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to  
answer it!.


I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last  
problem
was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that  
thread until

the end ;)

 since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so


serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
couldn't be established.



i think your attempt was very kind and brought some peace. I  
wanted to

propose to brew a drink that people make in bolivia, peru, chile,
argentina,  ecuador guatemala and many places in altiplano (high
mountains)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha

and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total  
discredit, is
not fa

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Martin Peach]

Here's my unfinished attempt at a web server. It will send a file 
"index.html" to a browser. It uses the string patch to pd and the str 
object, which can handle ascii without pd interpreting it along the way. It 
may be possible to do it using other objects. The main problem is the 
detection of  special characters like CRLF in the request. The 
content-length field is not necessary if you close the connection after 
sending the data, so you don't need to know how long the data is going to be 
before you start. I think I have done that in a later version that I can't 
find right now...Obviously the index.html file could also be generated by 
pd, and then it would all be more interesting.


Martin


#N canvas 539 0 727 919 10;
#X obj 104 61 mrpeach/tcpserver 80;
#X floatatom 171 237 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X floatatom 286 191 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 324 138 unpack 0 0 0 0;
#X floatatom 324 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
#X floatatom 359 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
#X floatatom 395 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
#X floatatom 431 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
#X text 281 160 from;
#X text 224 236 connections;
#X text 199 191 on socket;
#X obj 15 240 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 15 218 mrpeach/str csplit 32;
#X obj 15 265 mrpeach/str compare GET;
#X obj 22 282 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
1;
#X obj 168 260 mrpeach/str csplit 32;
#X obj 168 294 mrpeach/str compare /;
#X obj 175 311 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
1;
#X obj 153 339 &&;
#X obj 160 356 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
1;
#X obj 153 371 sel 1;
#X obj 219 343 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
-1 -1;
#X msg 115 20 client 1 c:/martin/pd_patches/index.html;
#X obj 201 399 mrpeach/str to_list Content-Length: 32 53 48 13 10 13
10;
#X obj 153 439 prepend 464;
#X obj 28 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 161 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 293 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 426 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 28 726 print a;
#X obj 161 725 print b;
#X obj 28 682 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 161 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 293 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 426 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 293 726 print c;
#X obj 426 726 print d;
#X obj 27 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 160 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 292 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 425 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 27 753 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 160 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 292 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 425 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 27 797 print e;
#X obj 160 796 print f;
#X obj 292 797 print g;
#X obj 425 797 print h;
#X obj 26 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 159 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 291 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 424 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
#X obj 26 820 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 159 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 291 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 424 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
#X obj 26 864 print i;
#X obj 159 863 print j;
#X obj 291 864 print k;
#X obj 424 864 print l;
#X obj 366 373 prepend 388;
#X obj 378 312 mrpeach/str to_list HTTP/1.1 32 50 48 48 32 OK 13 10
Content-Length: 32 50 49 56 13 10 13 10;
#X obj 400 254 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
-1 -1;
#X msg 510 33 disconnectsocket \$1;
#X msg 407 60 disconnectclient \$1;
#X floatatom 429 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 407 11 f;
#X obj 407 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699 -241291
-1;
#X floatatom 532 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 510 11 f;
#X obj 510 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699 -241291
-1;
#X text 378 -27 disconnect by socket or client number;
#X msg 352 212 set \$1;
#X obj 321 446 t b b b;
#X obj 360 468 f;
#X obj 393 468 + 1;
#X obj 360 488 i;
#X obj 360 508 mrpeach/str to_list;
#X obj 360 530 print count;
#X floatatom 308 529 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X connect 0 0 12 0;
#X connect 0 0 31 0;
#X connect 0 1 1 0;
#X connect 0 2 2 0;
#X connect 0 2 73 0;
#X connect 0 2 69 0;
#X connect 0 3 3 0;
#X connect 3 0 4 0;
#X connect 3 1 5 0;
#X connect 3 2 6 0;
#X connect 3 3 7 0;
#X connect 11 0 13 0;
#X connect 12 0 11 0;
#X connect 12 1 15 0;
#X connect 13 0 14 0;
#X connect 13 0 18 0;
#X connect 15 0 16 0;
#X connect 16 0 18 1;
#X connect 16 0 17 0;
#X connect 18 0 19 0;
#X connect 18 0 20 0;
#X connect 20 0 74 0;
#X connect 21 0 23 0;
#X connect 22 0 0 0;
#X connect 23 0 24 0;
#X connect 24 0 0 0;
#X connect 25 0 29 0;
#X connect 26 0 30 0;
#X connect 27 0 35 0;
#X connect 28 0 36 0;
#X connect 31 0 25 0;
#X connect 31 1 32 0;
#X connect 32 0 26 0;
#X connect 32 1 33 0;
#X connect 33 0 27 0;
#X connect 33 1 34 0;
#X connect 34 0 28 0;
#X connect 34 1 41 0;
#X connect 37 0 45 0;
#X connect 38 0 46 0;
#X connect 39 0 47 0;
#X connect 40 0 48 0;
#X connect 41 0 37 0;
#X connect 41 1 42 0;
#X connect 42 0 38 0;
#X connect 42 1 43 0;
#X connect 43 0 39 0;
#X connect 43 1 44 0;
#X connect 44 0 40 0;
#X connect 44 1 53 0;
#X connect 49 0 57 0;
#X connect 50 0 58 0;
#X connect 51 0 59 0;
#X connect 52 0 60 0;
#X connect 53 0 49 0;
#X connect 53 1 54 0;
#X connect 54 0 50 0;

Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Michal Seta]

On 10/17/07, chris clepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  For example, I
> am one of two non-c74 employees banned from using Nato for life (the other
> is Sean Booth of Autechre).  NN was amusing then annoying then pathetic in a
> space of maybe 18 months.

I know at least one more: max mailing list admin at McGill (back in
the day when Max progressed from MIDI only to Max/MSP and from being
owned by Opcode to c74).

./MiS

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Vircy Parker]

I propose another Topic, the PoorDeveloppement of PD   :P :D

About this offtopic: please, no sexism, no racism, no specism, that's all





2007/10/17, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> I forgot to add, I think there are very few people on this list who are
> deliberately trying to exclude people.  There are a wide range of cultures
> involved in this list, and some things that are not a big deal in some
> places are quite offensive in others.  And email is never a good medium
> for communicating subtleties, like tongue-in-cheek, sarcasm, etc.
>
> So in the hopes of sharing Pd, I hope we can keep that in mind when
> posting.  I know I learned a lesson when I said "hey guys" on this list in
> the past.  In California (where I grew up), men and women, feminists and
> not, commonly use "hey guys" to mean all people, not just males.  Others
> read that as "hey men", which is certainly not what I meant to say...
>
> .hc
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>
> You absolutely have a valid opinion, its' good to hear it on this list.  Now
> it seems that this thread is actually getting somewhere.  I had decided to
> ignore it, so I didn't realize the depths it had fallen to.
>
> I also have a strong distaste for the "gang bang" talk and macho
> programming. It seems that computer music is one of the last bastions of
> male dominance, I mean even most Linux events are at least 20% female, not
> so in the computer music world.  As someone who was raised by a strong
> feminist, I have always wondered what I could do to change that.  So far I
> haven't found an answer, but I am always open to suggestions.
>
> It does seem that the macho geek culture is a common complaint.  A friend
> of mine started college in the Mechanical Engineering department since she'd
> always wanted to make things.  She was one of few women in the department,
> and was constantly challenged and mocked because she was a woman.  Needless
> to say, she changed departments, but still wishes she was a mechanical
> engineer.  Sadly, I think that such things happen with Pd a lot as well.
>
> .hc
>
> On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Alicia Byer wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I
> don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties
> also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and
> attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make me not
> want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out. It's
> just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two
> women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real
> "jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I
> guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to
> learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't
> be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's
> 2007!!! Not the stone age.
>
> Anyway, thanks everybody.
>
> -Alicia
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> hey ho
>
>
> hi roman
>
>
> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through
> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to
> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
> point.
>
>
> thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic of sexism
> which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there. gender, we
> keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance.
>
> for example this
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html
>
> If I remember well Matju was also molested by this.
> to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a
> deeper degree in the conversation.
> It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough  it was followed by a
> funny advertisementlike max msp thread)
>
> I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in
> Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to mention some
> practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women
> that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self employed
> and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are not
> 'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of technology in
> our work with sensors, diy, electronica,  computer music, web
> programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to answer it!.
>
> I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last problem
> was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that thread until
> the end ;)
>
>  since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
>
> serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
> couldn't be established.
>
>
> i think your attempt was very kind and brought some peace. I 

Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Andre Schmidt]

FYI: thats also the first hit in google for "puredata file format"...

and as it is a wiki page, please do modify it if you find something that
doesnt match, as i may also need it in the "near" future ;)

.andre



On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:09 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> A quick search of puredata.org turns up:
> 
> http://puredata.info/docs/developer/fileformat
> 
> There's lots of good stuff there! :D
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Andy Farnell wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Through trial and error I've managed to reach what I thought was
> > an understanding of Pd file format. However, on deeper analysis
> > I keep discovering I'm wrong, in fact the Pd file structure and
> > the syntax of the statements is not what I thought (which explains
> > many previous programming errors).
> >
> > I think it's been asked before and received no satisfactory answer,
> > so once again - Where is the complete file format and syntactic
> > definitions of the Pd file documented (not by reading through the
> > source of the parser)?
> >
> > Would someone care to go through and explain in a simple tutorial
> > how Pd constructs its netlist and what are the meanings of the
> > parameters to each of these statements
> >
> >
> > #X msg 125 100 bang;
> >
> > An easy one, a message containing [bang( at coordinates 125 100,  
> > right?
> >
> > #X obj 144 128 s $1-zero;
> >
> > And again, an object of class "send" at coords 144,128 with name $1- 
> > zero.
> >
> > #X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0;
> >
> > Maybe an easy one, we create an array called $1-THREE of size
> > 6485 of type float. And an array doesn't need coordinates because a  
> > graph
> > has the coordinates not the array. But what is that 0 at the end?
> >
> >
> > #N canvas 0 22 450 300 graph1 0;
> > #X restore 235 308 graph1;
> >
> > What is the real purpose of restore? What are these parameters? How  
> > does
> > it relate to the canvas?
> >
> > What the hell is coords? Why?
> >
> > #X coords 0 1.02 6484 -1.02 200 130 1;
> >
> >
> > #X connect 60 0 62 0;
> >
> > Can anyone thoroughly explain connections and how their ordering
> > is important? It's an ordered adjacency matrix?
> >
> > I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
> > properly documented somewhere.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[marius schebella]

seems like mrpeach is not fully included in pd-extended or at least 
[str] is missing. is this an abstraction or a library?
marius.

Martin Peach wrote:
> Here's my unfinished attempt at a web server. It will send a file 
> "index.html" to a browser. It uses the string patch to pd and the str 
> object, which can handle ascii without pd interpreting it along the way. 
> It may be possible to do it using other objects. The main problem is the 
> detection of  special characters like CRLF in the request. The 
> content-length field is not necessary if you close the connection after 
> sending the data, so you don't need to know how long the data is going 
> to be before you start. I think I have done that in a later version that 
> I can't find right now...Obviously the index.html file could also be 
> generated by pd, and then it would all be more interesting.
> 
> Martin
> 
> #N canvas 539 0 727 919 10;
> #X obj 104 61 mrpeach/tcpserver 80;
> #X floatatom 171 237 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X floatatom 286 191 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X obj 324 138 unpack 0 0 0 0;
> #X floatatom 324 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X floatatom 359 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X floatatom 395 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X floatatom 431 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X text 281 160 from;
> #X text 224 236 connections;
> #X text 199 191 on socket;
> #X obj 15 240 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 15 218 mrpeach/str csplit 32;
> #X obj 15 265 mrpeach/str compare GET;
> #X obj 22 282 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
> 1;
> #X obj 168 260 mrpeach/str csplit 32;
> #X obj 168 294 mrpeach/str compare /;
> #X obj 175 311 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
> 1;
> #X obj 153 339 &&;
> #X obj 160 356 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
> 1;
> #X obj 153 371 sel 1;
> #X obj 219 343 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
> -1 -1;
> #X msg 115 20 client 1 c:/martin/pd_patches/index.html;
> #X obj 201 399 mrpeach/str to_list Content-Length: 32 53 48 13 10 13
> 10;
> #X obj 153 439 prepend 464;
> #X obj 28 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 161 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 293 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 426 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 28 726 print a;
> #X obj 161 725 print b;
> #X obj 28 682 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 161 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 293 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 426 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 293 726 print c;
> #X obj 426 726 print d;
> #X obj 27 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 160 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 292 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 425 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 27 753 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 160 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 292 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 425 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 27 797 print e;
> #X obj 160 796 print f;
> #X obj 292 797 print g;
> #X obj 425 797 print h;
> #X obj 26 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 159 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 291 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 424 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
> #X obj 26 820 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 159 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 291 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 424 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
> #X obj 26 864 print i;
> #X obj 159 863 print j;
> #X obj 291 864 print k;
> #X obj 424 864 print l;
> #X obj 366 373 prepend 388;
> #X obj 378 312 mrpeach/str to_list HTTP/1.1 32 50 48 48 32 OK 13 10
> Content-Length: 32 50 49 56 13 10 13 10;
> #X obj 400 254 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
> -1 -1;
> #X msg 510 33 disconnectsocket \$1;
> #X msg 407 60 disconnectclient \$1;
> #X floatatom 429 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X obj 407 11 f;
> #X obj 407 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699 -241291
> -1;
> #X floatatom 532 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X obj 510 11 f;
> #X obj 510 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699 -241291
> -1;
> #X text 378 -27 disconnect by socket or client number;
> #X msg 352 212 set \$1;
> #X obj 321 446 t b b b;
> #X obj 360 468 f;
> #X obj 393 468 + 1;
> #X obj 360 488 i;
> #X obj 360 508 mrpeach/str to_list;
> #X obj 360 530 print count;
> #X floatatom 308 529 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X connect 0 0 12 0;
> #X connect 0 0 31 0;
> #X connect 0 1 1 0;
> #X connect 0 2 2 0;
> #X connect 0 2 73 0;
> #X connect 0 2 69 0;
> #X connect 0 3 3 0;
> #X connect 3 0 4 0;
> #X connect 3 1 5 0;
> #X connect 3 2 6 0;
> #X connect 3 3 7 0;
> #X connect 11 0 13 0;
> #X connect 12 0 11 0;
> #X connect 12 1 15 0;
> #X connect 13 0 14 0;
> #X connect 13 0 18 0;
> #X connect 15 0 16 0;
> #X connect 16 0 18 1;
> #X connect 16 0 17 0;
> #X connect 18 0 19 0;
> #X connect 18 0 20 0;
> #X connect 20 0 74 0;
> #X connect 21 0 23 0;
> #X connect 22 0 0 0;
> #X connect 23 0 24 0;
> #X connect 24 0 0 0;
> #X connect 25 0 29 0;
> #X connect 26 0 30 0;
> #X connect 27 0 35 0;
> #X connect 28 0 36 0;
> #X connect 31 0 25 0;
> #X connect 31 1 32 0;
> #X connect 32 0 26 0;
> #X connect 32 1 33 0;
> #X connect 33 0 27 0;
> #X connect 33 1 34 0;
> #X connect 34 0 28 0;
> #X co

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Patrice Colet]

hi!

marius schebella a écrit :
> seems like mrpeach is not fully included in pd-extended or at least 
> [str] is missing. is this an abstraction or a library?
> marius.

this is a library available in cvs and compilation is working greatly, :)


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Re: [PD] texturing a circular image onto a hemisphere in GEM

[Alex]

so to make this easy think of a square texture that has a picture the
globe centered inside it.
i want to take that picture and map the flat image of the globe onto a
hemisphere so that you see [in this virtual world] 1/2 of a globe,
warped so that, in the virtual world, it looks correct.

-Alex

On 10/15/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi alex,
> I am not sure what you're trying to do, but I am eager to help you...
> do you want to project the video onto a wall/ceiling hemisphere inside a
> real room? or are you talking about virtual projections?
> I guess what you have to do first is distort the circled video back into
> a square and then use that to texture the sphere.
> marius.
>
>
> sphere with a ? is it just the mapping on the spherefor any distortion you
>
> Alex wrote:
> > Maybe a different subject will inspire some help?
> >
> > basically, I have video that was shot on a mirrored spherical ball..
> > this gives a circular image inside a rectangular video, I've figured
> > out how to crop it so that I just get the square that surrounds the
> > circle, but I cannot figure out how to correctly map this texture onto
> > a sphere so that it is only on one hemisphere and so that the circle's
> > circumference is on a "great circle" of the sphere? [ie it the circle
> > is warped out so that it becomes a hemisphere].
> >
> > I figure maybe I have to do some GEMgl stuff for this?
> >
> > if anyone has done this, would you please share?
> >
> > If not, any advice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I have some panoramic video that I want to use to texture a hemisphere
> >> [or rather, the bottom half of a sphere].
> >>
> >> I cannot simply texture the sphere with the video because the warping
> >> is not correct.. it seems that I need some sort of non-rectangular
> >> warping of the image before I texture the object, or a non-rectangular
> >> mapping of the texture onto the sphere.
> >>
> >> Any ideas or advice?  Does anyone else have experience working with
> >> panoramic video in Gem?
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
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[PD] midipidi (to map midi controllers to pd receivers)

[sven]

hi list,
i've finished my small midi mapping abstraction.
it's very easy to use - just takes an average 18.32 seconds
to set it up in a patch.
it's here: https://www.puredata.info/Members/sven/midipidi/midipidi-info/

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

So in the hopes of sharing Pd, I hope we can keep that in mind when 
posting. I know I learned a lesson when I said "hey guys" on this list 
in the past. In California (where I grew up), men and women, feminists 
and not, commonly use "hey guys" to mean all people, not just males. 
Others read that as "hey men", which is certainly not what I meant to 
say...


In English you have it easy.

In French there are the feminists who want profession names be 
gender-specific like "programmeur" vs "programmeuse", because making it 
only "programmeur" would imply inherent maleness, and there are those who 
want it to be always written like "programmeur" because having two 
different forms emphasises gender instead of hiding it.


(I believe that this divide is geographical, with Atlantic being the 
dividing "line", but I'm not sure)


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Re: [PD] texturing a circular image onto a hemisphere in GEM

[marius schebella]

hmm... no, I don't know how to do it. with gem you can only do 
rectangular projection/texturing. so you would have to find a way to 
distort the texture so that it will be displayed correctly on one half 
of the sphere. you probably need some vertex shader to do that...
marius.


Alex wrote:
> so to make this easy think of a square texture that has a picture the
> globe centered inside it.
> i want to take that picture and map the flat image of the globe onto a
> hemisphere so that you see [in this virtual world] 1/2 of a globe,
> warped so that, in the virtual world, it looks correct.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> On 10/15/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi alex,
>> I am not sure what you're trying to do, but I am eager to help you...
>> do you want to project the video onto a wall/ceiling hemisphere inside a
>> real room? or are you talking about virtual projections?
>> I guess what you have to do first is distort the circled video back into
>> a square and then use that to texture the sphere.
>> marius.
>>
>>
>> sphere with a ? is it just the mapping on the spherefor any distortion you
>>
>> Alex wrote:
>>> Maybe a different subject will inspire some help?
>>>
>>> basically, I have video that was shot on a mirrored spherical ball..
>>> this gives a circular image inside a rectangular video, I've figured
>>> out how to crop it so that I just get the square that surrounds the
>>> circle, but I cannot figure out how to correctly map this texture onto
>>> a sphere so that it is only on one hemisphere and so that the circle's
>>> circumference is on a "great circle" of the sphere? [ie it the circle
>>> is warped out so that it becomes a hemisphere].
>>>
>>> I figure maybe I have to do some GEMgl stuff for this?
>>>
>>> if anyone has done this, would you please share?
>>>
>>> If not, any advice?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/07, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I have some panoramic video that I want to use to texture a hemisphere
 [or rather, the bottom half of a sphere].

 I cannot simply texture the sphere with the video because the warping
 is not correct.. it seems that I need some sort of non-rectangular
 warping of the image before I texture the object, or a non-rectangular
 mapping of the texture onto the sphere.

 Any ideas or advice?  Does anyone else have experience working with
 panoramic video in Gem?

 -Alex

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

It seems that computer music is one of the last bastions of male 
dominance, I mean even most Linux events are at least 20% female, not so 
in the computer music world.


It must be quite dependent on the actual school, but I know that not far 
from here, there was a prof who advised a music composition student to 
perform last, because he expected the guys to overdo their own 
performances, in fear of getting a lower score than the "girl" or of 
perhaps of sounding mild in comparison. That's in a less-than-10%-female 
context.


It does seem that the macho geek culture is a common complaint.  A 
friend of mine started college in the Mechanical Engineering department 
since she'd always wanted to make things.


Maybe it's just that I'm not so interested in that profession, but as much 
as I've drank while in uni, I would never have enjoyed participating in a 
drinking contest, nor getting pressured into participating. There is also 
one guy who has dropped out after being harassed during all of his first 
semester for skipping the initiation ritual. The macho crap doesn't affect 
only women.


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Re: [PD] texturing a circular image onto a hemisphere in GEM

[Alex]

I started trying to draw a hemisphere with the appropriate texturing
coordinates using GEMgl commands, but that was getting too complicated
so I copied the sphere object source, made it draw a hemisphere, and
changed how it does texturing... I'll share it once I get all of the
kinks ironed out.

-Alex

On 10/17/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hmm... no, I don't know how to do it. with gem you can only do
> rectangular projection/texturing. so you would have to find a way to
> distort the texture so that it will be displayed correctly on one half
> of the sphere. you probably need some vertex shader to do that...
> marius.
>
>
> Alex wrote:
> > so to make this easy think of a square texture that has a picture the
> > globe centered inside it.
> > i want to take that picture and map the flat image of the globe onto a
> > hemisphere so that you see [in this virtual world] 1/2 of a globe,
> > warped so that, in the virtual world, it looks correct.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 10/15/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi alex,
> >> I am not sure what you're trying to do, but I am eager to help you...
> >> do you want to project the video onto a wall/ceiling hemisphere inside a
> >> real room? or are you talking about virtual projections?
> >> I guess what you have to do first is distort the circled video back into
> >> a square and then use that to texture the sphere.
> >> marius.
> >>
> >>
> >> sphere with a ? is it just the mapping on the spherefor any distortion you
> >>
> >> Alex wrote:
> >>> Maybe a different subject will inspire some help?
> >>>
> >>> basically, I have video that was shot on a mirrored spherical ball..
> >>> this gives a circular image inside a rectangular video, I've figured
> >>> out how to crop it so that I just get the square that surrounds the
> >>> circle, but I cannot figure out how to correctly map this texture onto
> >>> a sphere so that it is only on one hemisphere and so that the circle's
> >>> circumference is on a "great circle" of the sphere? [ie it the circle
> >>> is warped out so that it becomes a hemisphere].
> >>>
> >>> I figure maybe I have to do some GEMgl stuff for this?
> >>>
> >>> if anyone has done this, would you please share?
> >>>
> >>> If not, any advice?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/10/07, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I have some panoramic video that I want to use to texture a hemisphere
>  [or rather, the bottom half of a sphere].
> 
>  I cannot simply texture the sphere with the video because the warping
>  is not correct.. it seems that I need some sort of non-rectangular
>  warping of the image before I texture the object, or a non-rectangular
>  mapping of the texture onto the sphere.
> 
>  Any ideas or advice?  Does anyone else have experience working with
>  panoramic video in Gem?
> 
>  -Alex
> 
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>
>> newer versions of debian (and therefore ubuntu) have replaced
>> libquicktime0 (0.9.x) by libquicktime1 (1.0.x)
>> most likely these are binary compatible
>
> 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 are definitely not binary-compatible with each  
> other, although package systems allow upgrade from one to the other.
>
> more generally, this is about versions < 0.9.8 vs >= 0.9.8.

Yeah, libquicktime went thru a spasm of API-breaking (and probably  
ABI-breaking) changes on the path from 0.9 to 1.0.  Most of the 0.9.x  
versions are not compatible with each other.

.hc

 


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Re: [PD] please test Pd-extended on debian-powerpc

[Si Mills]

Hi,

Sorry this is on OSX ppc not Debian ppc :)

S

On 17 Oct 2007, at 15:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

> On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Si Mills wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've noted a couple of bugs:
>>
>> * FFT seems to be broke on PPC. I just get nasty crackles. (Pb G4 /
>> 10.4.10)
>> * [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a '~' to
>> the external in the library to fix it.
>> * [freeverb~] produces no sound
>
> Hey,
>
> Could you try today's build and report back?
>
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-17/
>
> .hc
>
>
>
> -- 
> --
>
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> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle  
> man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers.  -  
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Re: [PD] please test Pd-extended on debian-powerpc

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey,

Could you post the model info an CPU info to the bug report?  You can  
find this info under the Apple menu, then "About This Mac", then  
click the "More Info" button.

These fields are all useful:

Model Name
Model Identifier
Processor Name
Processor Speed

And anything else you want to add.

.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Si Mills wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Sorry this is on OSX ppc not Debian ppc :)
>
> S
>
> On 17 Oct 2007, at 15:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Si Mills wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I've noted a couple of bugs:
>>>
>>> * FFT seems to be broke on PPC. I just get nasty crackles. (Pb G4 /
>>> 10.4.10)
>>> * [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a '~' to
>>> the external in the library to fix it.
>>> * [freeverb~] produces no sound
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Could you try today's build and report back?
>>
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-17/
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> ---
>>
>> I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and  
>> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle  
>> man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers.  -  
>> General Smedley Butler
>>



 


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Re: [PD] please test Pd-extended on debian-powerpc

[Si Mills]

Hi

Its in the bug sheet - I've added the details to the existing bugs.  
Hope this helps.

Appreciate all the hard work

S

On 17 Oct 2007, at 22:22, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> Hey,
>
> Could you post the model info an CPU info to the bug report?  You  
> can find this info under the Apple menu, then "About This Mac",  
> then click the "More Info" button.
>
> These fields are all useful:
>
> Model Name
> Model Identifier
> Processor Name
> Processor Speed
>
> And anything else you want to add.
>
> .hc
>
> On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Si Mills wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry this is on OSX ppc not Debian ppc :)
>>
>> S
>>
>> On 17 Oct 2007, at 15:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Si Mills wrote:
>>>
 Hi

 I've noted a couple of bugs:

 * FFT seems to be broke on PPC. I just get nasty crackles. (Pb G4 /
 10.4.10)
 * [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a  
 '~' to
 the external in the library to fix it.
 * [freeverb~] produces no sound
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Could you try today's build and report back?
>>>
>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-17/
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>> I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and  
>>> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle  
>>> man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers.  -  
>>> General Smedley Butler
>>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> --
>
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> to realize his wishes.  Now that he can realize them, he must  
> either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Roman Haefeli]

hello again

On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 08:23 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
> > dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through
> > very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to
> > the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
> > point.
> 
> thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic of sexism
> which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there. gender, we
> keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance.
> 
> for example this
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html
> 
> If I remember well Matju was also molested by this.
> to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a
> deeper degree in the conversation.

yo, i see. me as well would feel more comfortable without having this
kind of posts in the list. however - and by saying that i don't want to
justify it -  this probably is rather an expression of uneasiness and
anxiety to be accused of sexism too carelessly as a man (not that this
happened on the list, but in general, this is surely an issue as well).

> It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough  it was followed by a
> funny advertisementlike max msp thread)
> 
> I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in
> Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to mention some
> practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women
> that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self employed
> and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are not
> 'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of technology in
> our work with sensors, diy, electronica,  computer music, web
> programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to answer it!.
> 
> I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last problem
> was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that thread until
> the end ;)
> 
>  since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
> > serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
> > couldn't be established.
> 
> i think your attempt was very kind and brought some peace. I wanted to
> propose to brew a drink that people make in bolivia, peru, chile,
> argentina,  ecuador guatemala and many places in altiplano (high
> mountains)
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha

what should we say instead of 'cheers'?

> and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total discredit, is
> not fashionable anymore but the conditions for women are not equal and we
> face feminicide (this is extermination of women)in various areas of the
> world. 

this is true and very sad. however i don't see the point in discussing
such big world problems in pd-list.

> So I don't mind being sensitive to anything that is related to
> this.
> and some feminist from the south are excellent, in case you would like
> some good internet radio
> 
> http://nueva.radionumerocritico.cl/news.php

thanks for the link, though i probably need to learn spanish first ;-)
i tried the streams ( http://stream.r23.cc:2323/ranumcri.mp3 ), but i
get:

Server returned 404:File Not Found


> I didn't start this thread on sexism because I didn't have any particular
> complaint against this list although I can remember some situations
> outside the list:
> 
> - once a pd friend said to me that still no women wrote an external, ah
> yes I would like to program a external I said. He said oh well Yves can do
> that  you don't have to do that.
> 
> -once a pd friend which I wanted to talk to said ah! you are the visual
> artist that works with Yves. that was ok but there is this prejudice that
> women doing pd do visuals. Ah no, I make noise.
> 
> -once a pd friend didn't include me in the logs of a pd irc chat meeting (!)
> 
> -once a pd friend said that his professor said that women can't do sound
> because is too abstract for them, they need the materiality of visuals

what i find really alarming about these examples is the fact, that they
do not only show a form of sexism, that is based on bad using of words,
but, what i think is much more serious, illustrate, how deep certain
concepts of gender are squatted in some brains. i don't know what do
say

> but many other times I have also been -very encouraged by people that
> participate a lot in the list and in pd meetings and pd projects to keep
> on learning and feel more confident in my autonomy towards media.
> 
> it would be better IMHO to discuss things and not avoid it but yes that
> would take time, to look into what we really mean by sexism and ask around
> why women (hey but not only women) don't participate in this spaces.

agreed!

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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[danja vasiliev]

hi olsen,
thanks a lot for your transcode suggestion! strangely enough it was the
only way for me to get the right file format.
as i see now, the format that [pdp_qt] expects needs to be "jpeg codec,
colormodel YUV420P" that in my experience only transecode creates. all
other methods use mjpeg and YUVJ420P. I'm wondering now would it work if
i only change the colorspace...
anyways, thanks for you advices everyone, i'm getting something to work
here finally. however im still hoping to discover the "magical avi
spell" of puredyne, i played with it a little and it reads dv footage
and mp4 video, which ultimately cool.

danja



olsen wolf wrote:
> hi danja
> i tried: transcode  -f 12 -y mov -F jpeg -i 21.avi -o 21.mov
> & it works on ubuntu feisty with Pd version 0.39.3-extended &
> libquicktime0  version 0.9.7-1ubuntu2
> & hopefully helps you
> best
> olsen
> 
> 
> On 10/17/07, Lluis Gómez i Bigordà <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> let's try thisone :::
>>
>> http://hangar.org/wikis/lab/pd/pdvjtools/src/videogrid/videos/
>>
>> i encode it using ffmpeg + mjpegtools  on Ubuntu/linux ...
>>
>> something like this ...
>>
>> ffmpeg -i myfile.avi -vcodec mjpeg output.mov
>> lavtrans -o final.mov  -f q output.mov
>>
>> good luck!,
>> ll.
>>
>>
>> El dc 17 de 10 del 2007 a les 12:54 +0200, en/na danja vasiliev va
>> escriure:
>>> no, still my mjpegs cant be loaded in PD. regardless all my attempts and
>>> fiddling with versions of libquicktime, pd and pdp i can't get similar
>>> functionality to PD installation in current Pure:Dyne.
>>> http://royalrabbit.goto10.org/rl/NL_waag.org/testing/iso/puredyne-2.3.66-DVD-RC1.iso
>>>
>>> here is an example file of my struggle -
>>> http://k0a1a.net/snappy/13-08-2007/21.avi
>>>
>>> i'm still hoping to find a solution, though getting really tired and
>>> want rather to work on my art than to look at gcc output...
>>>
>>> thanks for your attention,
>>> danja
>>>
>>> danja vasiliev wrote:
 that worked, always worked actually... (sorry didn't mentioned it)
 my problem is that the files i have can be loaded too, in pure:dyne.
 pdp run out is this:
 ---
 pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 987 frames, MJPG codec)
 pdp_qt using colormodel YUV420P
 ---

 i'm lost,
 i want the same in my ubuntu 8-]

 danja

 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> Try the included MJPEG movie and see if that works, it's in
> /usr/local/lib/pd/doc/media/midr-mjpeg.mov.
>
> IIRC, libquicktime doesn't like all kinds of MJPEG, only certain kinds.



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Re: [PD] midipidi (to map midi controllers to pd receivers)

[sven]

oops! fixed.
https://www.puredata.info/Members/sven/midipidi/midipidi_v0.07.zip/


>  File "midipidi.py", line 9, in ?
>from widgets import Symbol, Number2, Toggle, Bang, LazySendHandle
>  File "widgets.py", line 5, in ?
>from lazysend import LazySendHandle
>ImportError: No module named lazysend


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Re: [PD] midipidi (attn: thomas grill)

[sven]

ah dammit. it needs a certain beta build of pyext that
thomas grill mailed me once.
even the one here http://g.org/ext/beta/pd/win/py.dll doesn't work
even though it should (same version as i have it says).
i've added the binary i use to http://puredata.info/Members/sven/midipidi
please try that one.
i will try to make it work with the official one in the next days.

thomas,
can you tell from the binary what you've mailed me back then?
it seems to have threading issues fixed that are still present in the
"official" beta here http://g.org/ext/beta/pd/win/py.dll

>py/pyext 0.2.0 - python script objects
>(C)2002-2005 Thomas Grill - http://g.org/ext
>
>using Python 2.4.4 (#71, Oct 18 2006, 08:34:43) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)]
>
>
>midipidi>: -
>midipidi>: midipidi v0.06 by sven koenig
>midipidi>: http://puredata.info/Members/sven
>midipidi>: pd0.40 + pyext0.2 + python2.4
>midipidi>: -
>error: gatom: no method for ''
>... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu.
>error: gatom: no method for 'toggle [E] to edit.'
>midipidi: could not load mapping file "mapping.txt"!
>py/pyext: Could not convert argument 
>py/pyext - No data to send
>...


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[PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction

[Atte André Jensen]

Hi

Still a lot to learn...

With the attached patch as an example, how do I make it possible to use 
the numbers 2000, 4000 and 5200 a creations arguments, but still use the 
said numbers as defaults, should no arguments be supplied?


Confused at a very basic level, unfortunately :-)

I seem to get most of the other stuff with pd, esp the audio part, but 
I'm always messing up when it comes to creation arguments in 
abstractions. What would be required read-up (besides the 
*dollarsign*.pd files under doc/2.control.examples) that'll allow me to 
grasp this aspect?


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#X obj 53 215 hip~ 5200;
#X obj 48 53 unpack;
#X obj 53 189 vcf~ 17;
#X obj 140 80 moses 1;
#X obj 184 124 vline~;
#X obj 122 245 *~ 0.1;
#X obj 75 169 *~ 2000;
#X msg 184 104 1 30 \, 0.1 4000 30;
#X connect 0 0 2 0;
#X connect 0 0 3 0;
#X connect 1 0 11 0;
#X connect 6 0 13 0;
#X connect 9 0 12 0;
#X connect 10 0 0 0;
#X connect 11 1 13 0;
#X connect 12 0 10 0;
#X connect 13 1 17 0;
#X connect 14 0 15 0;
#X connect 14 0 16 0;
#X connect 15 0 0 1;
#X connect 16 0 12 1;
#X connect 17 0 14 0;
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Re: [PD] midipidi (attn: thomas grill)

[Patrice Colet]

hey,

sven a écrit :
> ah dammit. it needs a certain beta build of pyext that
> thomas grill mailed me once.
> even the one here http://g.org/ext/beta/pd/win/py.dll doesn't work
> even though it should (same version as i have it says).
> i've added the binary i use to http://puredata.info/Members/sven/midipidi
> please try that one.
> i will try to make it work with the official one in the next days.
> 

It's allright, thanks!

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Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction

[Roman Haefeli]

On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 02:44 +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Still a lot to learn...
> 
> With the attached patch as an example, how do I make it possible to use 
> the numbers 2000, 4000 and 5200 a creations arguments, but still use the 
> said numbers as defaults, should no arguments be supplied?
> 
> Confused at a very basic level, unfortunately :-)
> 
> I seem to get most of the other stuff with pd, esp the audio part, but 
> I'm always messing up when it comes to creation arguments in 
> abstractions. What would be required read-up (besides the 
> *dollarsign*.pd files under doc/2.control.examples) that'll allow me to 
> grasp this aspect?

there is no mechanism in pd, that allows you to check, whether a certain
argument for an abstraction was specified or not. when a certain
argument is not given, pd just assumes '0'. if '0' is not part of your
intended argument range, you can check in your abstraction, if the
argument is '0' and assume, when it is '0', that it was not specified. 

[loadbang]
|
[list $1] <- allows both, symbols and floats
|
[sel 0]
| |
[53 ] |  <- your default value (could also be a symbol)
|/
|   /
|  /
| /
|/
[t a]

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Andy Farnell]

Exactly what I was looking for. Bookmarked.
Thankyou Hans and everyone for your suggestions.

To put it in context... I was attempting to solve/answer
an occasionally recurring problem for someone.. "My Pd
file is corrupt and all the objects have vanished"

I solved this before by trial and error, matching up 
canvas statements with restore statements (It does indeed
work as I thought, pretty much).

a.



On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:09:09 -0400
Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> A quick search of puredata.org turns up:
> 
> http://puredata.info/docs/developer/fileformat
> 
> There's lots of good stuff there! :D
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Andy Farnell wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Through trial and error I've managed to reach what I thought was
> > an understanding of Pd file format. However, on deeper analysis
> > I keep discovering I'm wrong, in fact the Pd file structure and
> > the syntax of the statements is not what I thought (which explains
> > many previous programming errors).
> >
> > I think it's been asked before and received no satisfactory answer,
> > so once again - Where is the complete file format and syntactic
> > definitions of the Pd file documented (not by reading through the
> > source of the parser)?
> >
> > Would someone care to go through and explain in a simple tutorial
> > how Pd constructs its netlist and what are the meanings of the
> > parameters to each of these statements
> >
> >
> > #X msg 125 100 bang;
> >
> > An easy one, a message containing [bang( at coordinates 125 100,  
> > right?
> >
> > #X obj 144 128 s $1-zero;
> >
> > And again, an object of class "send" at coords 144,128 with name $1- 
> > zero.
> >
> > #X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0;
> >
> > Maybe an easy one, we create an array called $1-THREE of size
> > 6485 of type float. And an array doesn't need coordinates because a  
> > graph
> > has the coordinates not the array. But what is that 0 at the end?
> >
> >
> > #N canvas 0 22 450 300 graph1 0;
> > #X restore 235 308 graph1;
> >
> > What is the real purpose of restore? What are these parameters? How  
> > does
> > it relate to the canvas?
> >
> > What the hell is coords? Why?
> >
> > #X coords 0 1.02 6484 -1.02 200 130 1;
> >
> >
> > #X connect 60 0 62 0;
> >
> > Can anyone thoroughly explain connections and how their ordering
> > is important? It's an ordered adjacency matrix?
> >
> > I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
> > properly documented somewhere.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

This is very cool, keep us posted on your progress!  I am thinking of  
trying to write an IRC client in Pd.  Then there could be an embedded  
IRC client in Pd-extended that is tied into the help system.  You  
click a link on a help patch, it opens a chatroom and posts the  
context of the patch to the chatroom.  That would help out the  
newbies, who often have trouble knowing what to ask.

.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Martin Peach wrote:

> Here's my unfinished attempt at a web server. It will send a file  
> "index.html" to a browser. It uses the string patch to pd and the  
> str object, which can handle ascii without pd interpreting it along  
> the way. It may be possible to do it using other objects. The main  
> problem is the detection of  special characters like CRLF in the  
> request. The content-length field is not necessary if you close the  
> connection after sending the data, so you don't need to know how  
> long the data is going to be before you start. I think I have done  
> that in a later version that I can't find right now...Obviously the  
> index.html file could also be generated by pd, and then it would  
> all be more interesting.
>
> Martin
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Re: [PD] pd to webpage

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

[str] is only included in 0.40.3 because it needs the string patch to  
pd to work.

.hc

On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:27 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> seems like mrpeach is not fully included in pd-extended or at least
> [str] is missing. is this an abstraction or a library?
> marius.
>
> Martin Peach wrote:
>> Here's my unfinished attempt at a web server. It will send a file
>> "index.html" to a browser. It uses the string patch to pd and the str
>> object, which can handle ascii without pd interpreting it along  
>> the way.
>> It may be possible to do it using other objects. The main problem  
>> is the
>> detection of  special characters like CRLF in the request. The
>> content-length field is not necessary if you close the connection  
>> after
>> sending the data, so you don't need to know how long the data is  
>> going
>> to be before you start. I think I have done that in a later  
>> version that
>> I can't find right now...Obviously the index.html file could also be
>> generated by pd, and then it would all be more interesting.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> #N canvas 539 0 727 919 10;
>> #X obj 104 61 mrpeach/tcpserver 80;
>> #X floatatom 171 237 5 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X floatatom 286 191 5 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X obj 324 138 unpack 0 0 0 0;
>> #X floatatom 324 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X floatatom 359 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X floatatom 395 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X floatatom 431 161 3 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X text 281 160 from;
>> #X text 224 236 connections;
>> #X text 199 191 on socket;
>> #X obj 15 240 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 15 218 mrpeach/str csplit 32;
>> #X obj 15 265 mrpeach/str compare GET;
>> #X obj 22 282 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
>> 1;
>> #X obj 168 260 mrpeach/str csplit 32;
>> #X obj 168 294 mrpeach/str compare /;
>> #X obj 175 311 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
>> 1;
>> #X obj 153 339 &&;
>> #X obj 160 356 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
>> 1;
>> #X obj 153 371 sel 1;
>> #X obj 219 343 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
>> -1 -1;
>> #X msg 115 20 client 1 c:/martin/pd_patches/index.html;
>> #X obj 201 399 mrpeach/str to_list Content-Length: 32 53 48 13 10 13
>> 10;
>> #X obj 153 439 prepend 464;
>> #X obj 28 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 161 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 293 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 426 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 28 726 print a;
>> #X obj 161 725 print b;
>> #X obj 28 682 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 161 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 293 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 426 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 293 726 print c;
>> #X obj 426 726 print d;
>> #X obj 27 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 160 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 292 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 425 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 27 753 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 160 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 292 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 425 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 27 797 print e;
>> #X obj 160 796 print f;
>> #X obj 292 797 print g;
>> #X obj 425 797 print h;
>> #X obj 26 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 159 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 291 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 424 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol;
>> #X obj 26 820 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 159 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 291 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 424 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10;
>> #X obj 26 864 print i;
>> #X obj 159 863 print j;
>> #X obj 291 864 print k;
>> #X obj 424 864 print l;
>> #X obj 366 373 prepend 388;
>> #X obj 378 312 mrpeach/str to_list HTTP/1.1 32 50 48 48 32 OK 13 10
>> Content-Length: 32 50 49 56 13 10 13 10;
>> #X obj 400 254 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
>> -1 -1;
>> #X msg 510 33 disconnectsocket \$1;
>> #X msg 407 60 disconnectclient \$1;
>> #X floatatom 429 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X obj 407 11 f;
>> #X obj 407 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699  
>> -241291
>> -1;
>> #X floatatom 532 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X obj 510 11 f;
>> #X obj 510 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699  
>> -241291
>> -1;
>> #X text 378 -27 disconnect by socket or client number;
>> #X msg 352 212 set \$1;
>> #X obj 321 446 t b b b;
>> #X obj 360 468 f;
>> #X obj 393 468 + 1;
>> #X obj 360 488 i;
>> #X obj 360 508 mrpeach/str to_list;
>> #X obj 360 530 print count;
>> #X floatatom 308 529 5 0 0 0 - - -;
>> #X connect 0 0 12 0;
>> #X connect 0 0 31 0;
>> #X connect 0 1 1 0;
>> #X connect 0 2 2 0;
>> #X connect 0 2 73 0;
>> #X connect 0 2 69 0;
>> #X connect 0 3 3 0;
>> #X connect 3 0 4 0;
>> #X connect 3 1 5 0;
>> #X connect 3 2 6 0;
>> #X connect 3 3 7 0;
>> #X connect 11 0 13 0;
>> #X connect 12 0 11 0;
>> #X connect 12 1 15 0;
>> #X connect 13 0 14 0;
>> #X connect 13 0 18 0;
>> #X connect 15 0 16 0;
>> #X connect 16 0 18 1;
>> #X connect 16 0 17 0;
>> #X connect 18 0 19 0;
>> #X connect 18 0 20 0;
>> #X connect 20 0 74 0;
>> #X connect 21 0 23 0;
>> #X connect 22 0 0 0;
>> #X connect