Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races

[Pntx645]

<< 
  Do they make something for the button batteries as well?
 I was a bit surprised though, as it wasn't all that cold: when I
 took the dawgs out after my initial post it was only -14C. I was
 using fresh batteries in both the camera and the motor, but the
 thing was pretty much choked after less than an hour outside.
  >>
I don't think that there is any extension made for the button cell.  I 
haven't used my Super Program much since I got a PZ-1P, but even here in 
Texas the Super would drag down in any kind of cold weather.  I'm talking 
about around 10-20 above zero.  

Robert
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Re: Z-5 (Z5, NOT ZX-5) VS. ZX-5n....

[dosk]

No Mark,  A Z-5, not a ZX-5.  A Z-5 is probably more similar to a PZ style
camera than a ZX. That's why I'm asking people what they think.
But thanks anyway
Dosk



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From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: Z-5 VS. ZX-5n


> I have a ZX-5 and I really like it a lot.  It is missing two useful
features
> as compared to the ZX-5n:  Auto-bracketing and depth-of-field preview.  It
> is pretty easy to manually bracket exposures.  If you ever intend to use a
> gradient filter for landscape work, depth-of-field preview is a must-have,
> and I really miss it a lot.  I'd buy a ZX-5n over a ZX-5 specifically for
> the DOF preview.
>
> --Mark
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My New Camera......

[dosk]

http://www.keh.com/shop/SHOWPRODUCT.CFM?CRID=1571186&SKID=TF0499904340702&SI
D=newused&BID=TF&CID=04&SOID=N&ISPRICE=149.0

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Re: Z-5 VS. ZX-5n....

[tom]

I *think* he meant the Z-5 from the same series as trhe PZ-1p, not the
ZX-5.

I have a zx-5n and a pz-1p. Looking at the specs of the z-5, I'd
probably go for it over the zx-5n. It's better specified in every
category, plus I like the feel of the pz series better. I'd *definitely*
go for it if it'll take the grip and if the shutter release feels like
the pz-1p. I'm not sure how I feel about that silver finish.

Good luck finding one though. I don't ever think I've seen a used one.

tv

Mark Erickson wrote:
> 
> I have a ZX-5 and I really like it a lot.  It is missing two useful features
> as compared to the ZX-5n:  Auto-bracketing and depth-of-field preview.  It
> is pretty easy to manually bracket exposures.  If you ever intend to use a
> gradient filter for landscape work, depth-of-field preview is a must-have,
> and I really miss it a lot.  I'd buy a ZX-5n over a ZX-5 specifically for
> the DOF preview.
> 
> --Mark
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RE: Z-5 VS. ZX-5n....

[Mark Erickson]

I have a ZX-5 and I really like it a lot.  It is missing two useful features
as compared to the ZX-5n:  Auto-bracketing and depth-of-field preview.  It
is pretty easy to manually bracket exposures.  If you ever intend to use a
gradient filter for landscape work, depth-of-field preview is a must-have,
and I really miss it a lot.  I'd buy a ZX-5n over a ZX-5 specifically for
the DOF preview.

--Mark

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RE: Geography

[John Coyle]

On Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:28 PM, William Robb [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
wrote:
> > is not part of Australia (if you know where that is).
>
> Gee, I always thought it was off the coast of Africa. I guess I
> must have thought it was Madagascar that was east of Australia.
> Or is it west, I never know with the upside down part of the
> world.
> HAR
> Wheatfield Willie
>

Hi Bill:
I have a perfectly good map which proves beyond all doubt that it is in fact 
the _Northern_ hemisphere that is upside down - all those other maps were made 
by Euro-centric people who didn't realise they were standing on their heads all 
that time.  :-)

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

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Re: website that compares models

[Shel Belinkoff]

William Robb wrote:

> Do you mean certified, or certifiable?

I was going to write "certifiable" but decided against it.  I
figured I'd give someone else aa chance to explore that option. 
You got it! Mr. Wheatfield Snowplow.
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Re: website that compares models

[William Robb]

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From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re: website that compares models


>
> After you've checked out the various models, let us know which
> ones interest you, and feel free to ask our certified panel of
> experts any questions.

Do you mean certified, or certifiable?
Wheatfield Willie

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Re: Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[Shel Belinkoff]

Joseph McAllister prattled about focusing screens:

Here's another source for LX screen info:

http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/lxfsmain.html

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> I'm sorta jumping in on the middle of this discussion of using "PZ"
> series screens in the venerable LX. And I have no problem with it! Do it
> myself. Wish they all fit in all and would not affect metering, but
> that's not gonna happen.
> 
> The Pentax screens are coded by series, using the suffix. The prefix is a
> description of the design.
> 
> The originals were for factory or authorized shop replacement, and had
> none of these numbers or letters, only a Pentax part number.
> 
> The next series were defined by what was to become the prefix, sometimes
> followed by a number if there were several variations of the same design.
> In most publications, it looks like some numbers were skipped. I
> attribute this to "special order" or "Special use" screens that were in
> scientific and industrial versions of the catalog. These were known as
> the "M" series screens, for the MX and any other -M camera that had
> interchageable screens.
> 
> SA-1
> SA-3
> SB-1
> SC-1  (Standard)
> SD-1
> SE
> SG
> SI
> 
> The next series was made for the LX. They tended to be a bit brighter
> than the "M" series, and were siad to not be usable in MXs. Of course,
> they can, but the metering system has to be adjusted to make up the
> difference in brightnes. The MX measures it's light off the screens. The
> LX does not, making the MX screens perfectly compatable with the LX.
> Beattie Intensascreens were made for this camera as well. The screen code
> was left the same for identical designs, and 20 was added to the suffix,
> ie: SA-1 became SA-21. A new screen was a clear screen with crosshairs
> for astrophotagraphy, the SD-11 for the LX. Being a clear screen, MX
> metering would not work with that screen. My guess to that logic was that
> adding 10 to the suffix meant it was the first of it's kind, and worked
> with the MX and the LX..
> 
> SA-21  (normal lenses)
> SA-23  (fast lenses (f:2.8~f:1.2)
> SA-26  (for Tele lenses - 300mm or longer)
> SA-32  (
> SA-37  (special ALL microprism screen for Macro and older "dim" tele)
> SB-21  (matte with split image only)
> SC-21  (Standard - matte with microprism collar and split image center)
> SC-26  (for Tele lenses - 300mm or longer)
> SD-21  (Matte w/ crosshairs in a clear central spot)
> SD-11  (clear w/ central crosshairs)
> SE-20  (All matte w/ finer matte center circle)
> SE-25  (for Tele lenses - 300mm or longer)
> SG-20  (etched grid)
> SI-20  (Image magnification scales)
> 
> The SF- series of cameras used the -40 series numbers, but only had two
> screens besides the standard. These were the SG-40 and the SI-40, with
> Grid and Image scales respectively.
> 
> The PZ-1 manual only mentions on the specification page that the
> viewfinder screens are interchangable. Nothing else. But they in fact had
> a complete series available. The -50 series.
> 
> The PZ-1p manual describes and shows drawing of the basic seven screens,
> omitting some older designs, and adding some new.
> 
> FF-60  (matte with AF frame)
> FG-60  (matte with grid and AF area)
> FI-60  (matte with scales for magnification and AF area)
> FK-60  (matte with "golden section" lines, milimeter markings, and AF
> area)
> FM-60  (Standard - Matte w/ panorama frame, spot metering circle and AF
> area definition)
> FP-60  (matte with panorama frame and AF area)
> FS-60  (matte with spot metering circle and AF area)
> 
> And I'm sure there are many more if Pentax was queried about just what
> was available "in toto."  Pentax and other manufacturers don't want to
> confuse the common man with all that is really available, in screens or
> special accessories.
> 
> I will assume that the MZ-S will have a new series.
> 
> I imagine they would be the -80 series.
> 
> The older series should work with this MZ-S as it is said to have
> standard off the screen metering and the PR says the screens would be
> brighter still. So like with all the other models, these can be used, as
> long as the ev corrections are made as appropriate.
> 
> All this data and more (pictures) can be found on Boz's site, at
> 
> 
> 
> Some info will disagree. I used the respective manuals, brochures and
> Shipman's. Boz just collects info from everywhere about everything
> K-Mount!
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Re: website that compares models

[Shel Belinkoff]

DPeristere wrote:

> I am looking for a site that explaines and compares the different models
> (ie:  ME, super ME, KM, K1000 compared to K1000SE)

http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/

> I still love my second hand K1000,  but would like to buy an additional
> camera.  I know the lastest model(s)  Pentax carries are most likely the
> best bet (ZX-30??), but something about the older models makes taking
> pictures for me more fun.

Many people on this list feel similarly.

After you've checked out the various models, let us know which
ones interest you, and feel free to ask our certified panel of
experts any questions.

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80-200/2.8 X 2 (was Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races)

[Kevin Thornsberry]

I'm interested to hear how you like using the 80-200/2.8 with a 2x teleconverter.  I 
know TCs are generally not recommended with zooms but I've broken that rule before and 
gotten away with it.  I'm very interested in this combo you used.  Please comment.

Kevin
 application/ms-tnef

Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Collin Brendemuehl]

At 06:55 PM 2/18/01 -0800, you wrote:
>nm is standard abbreviation for nautical miles.
>
>Regards,
>Bob...

Not nano-meters?  ;(

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Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races

[Rfsindg]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Do they make something for the button batteries as well? >>

Yes, but I've only seen the one for the LX for sale.

I think the warm Motor A batteries would power the whole thing, camera and 
drive.

Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: Re[2]: Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[Joseph McAllister]

Wearily, Doug Brewer opined on 02/18/2001 08:22:

>Take,
>
>I've never used any compensation for the screen.
>
>Doug

I'm sorta jumping in on the middle of this discussion of using "PZ" 
series screens in the venerable LX. And I have no problem with it! Do it 
myself. Wish they all fit in all and would not affect metering, but 
that's not gonna happen.

The Pentax screens are coded by series, using the suffix. The prefix is a 
description of the design.

The originals were for factory or authorized shop replacement, and had 
none of these numbers or letters, only a Pentax part number.

The next series were defined by what was to become the prefix, sometimes 
followed by a number if there were several variations of the same design. 
In most publications, it looks like some numbers were skipped. I 
attribute this to "special order" or "Special use" screens that were in 
scientific and industrial versions of the catalog. These were known as 
the "M" series screens, for the MX and any other -M camera that had 
interchageable screens.

SA-1
SA-3
SB-1
SC-1  (Standard)
SD-1
SE
SG
SI

The next series was made for the LX. They tended to be a bit brighter 
than the "M" series, and were siad to not be usable in MXs. Of course, 
they can, but the metering system has to be adjusted to make up the 
difference in brightnes. The MX measures it's light off the screens. The 
LX does not, making the MX screens perfectly compatable with the LX. 
Beattie Intensascreens were made for this camera as well. The screen code 
was left the same for identical designs, and 20 was added to the suffix, 
ie: SA-1 became SA-21. A new screen was a clear screen with crosshairs 
for astrophotagraphy, the SD-11 for the LX. Being a clear screen, MX 
metering would not work with that screen. My guess to that logic was that 
adding 10 to the suffix meant it was the first of it's kind, and worked 
with the MX and the LX..

SA-21  (normal lenses)
SA-23  (fast lenses (f:2.8~f:1.2)
SA-26  (for Tele lenses - 300mm or longer)
SA-32  (
SA-37  (special ALL microprism screen for Macro and older "dim" tele)
SB-21  (matte with split image only)
SC-21  (Standard - matte with microprism collar and split image center)
SC-26  (for Tele lenses - 300mm or longer)
SD-21  (Matte w/ crosshairs in a clear central spot)
SD-11  (clear w/ central crosshairs)
SE-20  (All matte w/ finer matte center circle)
SE-25  (for Tele lenses - 300mm or longer)
SG-20  (etched grid)
SI-20  (Image magnification scales)

The SF- series of cameras used the -40 series numbers, but only had two 
screens besides the standard. These were the SG-40 and the SI-40, with 
Grid and Image scales respectively.

The PZ-1 manual only mentions on the specification page that the 
viewfinder screens are interchangable. Nothing else. But they in fact had 
a complete series available. The -50 series.

The PZ-1p manual describes and shows drawing of the basic seven screens, 
omitting some older designs, and adding some new.

FF-60  (matte with AF frame)
FG-60  (matte with grid and AF area)
FI-60  (matte with scales for magnification and AF area)
FK-60  (matte with "golden section" lines, milimeter markings, and AF 
area)
FM-60  (Standard - Matte w/ panorama frame, spot metering circle and AF 
area definition)
FP-60  (matte with panorama frame and AF area)
FS-60  (matte with spot metering circle and AF area) 

And I'm sure there are many more if Pentax was queried about just what 
was available "in toto."  Pentax and other manufacturers don't want to 
confuse the common man with all that is really available, in screens or 
special accessories.

I will assume that the MZ-S will have a new series. 

I imagine they would be the -80 series.

The older series should work with this MZ-S as it is said to have 
standard off the screen metering and the PR says the screens would be 
brighter still. So like with all the other models, these can be used, as 
long as the ev corrections are made as appropriate.

All this data and more (pictures) can be found on Boz's site, at  



Some info will disagree. I used the respective manuals, brochures and 
Shipman's. Boz just collects info from everywhere about everything 
K-Mount!



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website that compares models

[DPeristere]

Hello,

I have owned, used a K1000 for several years nows.  I have alway been just a
casual, self taught picture taker.  I am starting to get a little more
serious.

I am looking for a site that explaines and compares the different models
(ie:  ME, super ME, KM, K1000 compared to K1000SE)

I still love my second hand K1000,  but would like to buy an additional
camera.  I know the lastest model(s)  Pentax carries are most likely the
best bet (ZX-30??), but something about the older models makes taking
pictures for me more fun.

Thank you for your time and help.



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Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Bob Blakely]

nm is standard abbreviation for nautical miles.

Regards,
Bob...

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From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Equatorial radius of earth (roughly, depending on your model):
> >3444nm
> This must be a realy tiny scale model!


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Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Owens"
Subject: Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the
races


> Sounds to me like this makes a case for using a Spotmatic and
selenium meter

I could have, but I wanted a motordrive for sequence shooting.
William Robb


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Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Mark Roberts]

Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Equatorial radius of earth (roughly, depending on your model):
>3444nm
This must be a realy tiny scale model!

>3963mi
>6378km
>
>or
>
>12756km all the way through...
>
>Regards,
>Bob...

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Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races

[Bill Owens]

Sounds to me like this makes a case for using a Spotmatic and selenium meter

Bill, KG4LOV
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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races



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Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Bob Blakely]

Equatorial radius of earth (roughly, depending on your model):
3444nm
3963mi
6378km

or

12756km all the way through...

Regards,
Bob...

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From: "Otis Wright, Jr." <"rusty."@worldnet.att.net>


> The earth has grown a bit.  Must be another "American" .. :o)
> 
> Steve Larson wrote:
> 
> > Good answer Gianfranco, but that would be in miles  ;)
> >
> > Steve Larson
> > Redondo Beach, California
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gianfranco Irlanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)
> >
> > > petit miam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > How many of you know where New Zealand is?
> > >
> > > Under my feet... almost 12,000km exactly down under...


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Re: 17mm Admonition: Was: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[Frank Theriault]

Of course, if the seller's on this list, you'd be doing him a favour!
-frank

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Joseph McAllister wrote:
>
> > Ya know, fellas, you're not doing
> > anyone on the list a favor by
> > announcing the presence of a pair
> > of 17mm lenses on eBay
>
> Who says any of us were trying to do anyone a favor?  The
> mention came about as part of a conversation in which the lens
> was mentioned only peripherally.
> --
> Shel Belinkoff
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Re: Re[2]: Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[Alan Chan]

> > Thanks for the info, I'm happy to hear that! Just a
> > thought: could that mean that there is compatibility
> > between the LX and the MZ-S screens?
>
>I think these screens were manufactured "famous" LX2000.
>As far as we know, it's still unknown if these have
>compatibility with MZ-S.
>
>I also thank Yoshihiko for his info.  I'll try an SC-69 on
>my LX, too, and post the feel maybe this weekend.

I do not know the answer. However, consider all recent Pentax bodies have 
smaller screens, the answer should be "no" because LX and MX screens are 
larger. However, these smaller screens can be fitted in the LX and MX. In 
fact, I am using the MZ-M screen (C74) in my MX without problem. The meter 
would be off of course, but the focus is correct.

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: eStuff

[Gary L. Murphy]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:25:06 -0600, IronWorks wrote:

>3 days and 14+ hours left.

Not only that, but the person who has the high bid is a claas "A" JERK! He bids but 
does not pay!

Collin, I'd cancel his bid if I were you. (He has a -1 feedback)

>| http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215014562
>| A28/2.8 going too cheap!




Later,
Gary


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Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: February 18, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the
races


>
> Get a power cord for the Motor A and put the batteries inside
your jacket.
> See B&H
>
> Regards,  Bob S.

Thanks Bob, I was wondering if there was something like that
made. Do they make something for the button batteries as well?
I was a bit surprised though, as it wasn't all that cold: when I
took the dawgs out after my initial post it was only -14C. I was
using fresh batteries in both the camera and the motor, but the
thing was pretty much choked after less than an hour outside.
Bill


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Re: PZ-1p/LX/MZ-S(?) aftermarket focusing screens

[Alan Chan]

>Does anyone here have experience with the Beattie Intenscreen focusing
>screens? They have some screens for the LX and PZ-1, but don't list any
>for the PZ-1p. I would like a screen with center split for my PZ-1p since
>most of my work is manual focus. I figure that I will just need to set the
>exposure compensation when using PZ-1 screens on my PZ-1p. Anyways, the
>URL is here:
>
>http://www.intenscreen.com
>
>At $79 each they're not cheap but if they work as advertised then it seems
>like a good deal to me. I wonder if it's possible to use these screens on
>the MZ-S? Also, would the center split have an effect on the AF and spot
>metering?

I tried the MZ-M screen (C74) in the Z-1p (both have identical diamension) 
and found the spot meter would be off quite a bit (due to the split image). 
The other two metering modes seem to work fine. The only problem is you 
would discover the AF of the Z-1p was not as accurate as you might think.

I have an Intenscreen for LX (used in MX). Personally, I prefer the MZ-M and 
Z-1p screens (I used the C74 in the MX now). The Intenscreen is really 
bright, but with quite a bit of vignetting with some wide angle, and the 
screen is quite coarse. If you need a split image screen only, maybe you 
should consider the MZ-M screen instead (but do not expect the spot meter 
will work).

>I remember seeing another site with screens listed especially for the
>PZ-1p, but I cannot find them anymore. Their screens were more expensive -
>around $199 IIRC so I didn't pay much attention to them at the time.

www.brightscreen.com? The Pentax C74 chould be significantly cheaper than 
either one. However, you might need to contact the Pentax service centre 
because C74 is not a retail item (more like spare part).

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Steve Larson]

My mistake, it`s ~12,000 miles if you use your feet (walk). I got carried
away with my daughters talking globe.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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> The earth has grown a bit.  Must be another "American" .. :o)
>
> Steve Larson wrote:
>
> > Good answer Gianfranco, but that would be in miles  ;)
> >
> > Steve Larson
> > Redondo Beach, California
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gianfranco Irlanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)
> >
> > > petit miam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > How many of you know where New Zealand is?
> > >
> > > Under my feet... almost 12,000km exactly down under...
> > >
> > > Gianfranco
> > > (from Italy :)
> > >
> > >
> > > 
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Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

The earth has grown a bit.  Must be another "American" .. :o)

Otis Wright

Steve Larson wrote:

> Good answer Gianfranco, but that would be in miles  ;)
>
> Steve Larson
> Redondo Beach, California
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gianfranco Irlanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)
>
> > petit miam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > How many of you know where New Zealand is?
> >
> > Under my feet... almost 12,000km exactly down under...
> >
> > Gianfranco
> > (from Italy :)
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

The earth has grown a bit.  Must be another "American" .. :o)

Steve Larson wrote:

> Good answer Gianfranco, but that would be in miles  ;)
>
> Steve Larson
> Redondo Beach, California
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gianfranco Irlanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)
>
> > petit miam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > How many of you know where New Zealand is?
> >
> > Under my feet... almost 12,000km exactly down under...
> >
> > Gianfranco
> > (from Italy :)
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: 17mm Admonition: Was: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[Shel Belinkoff]

Joseph McAllister wrote:
 
> Ya know, fellas, you're not doing 
> anyone on the list a favor by
> announcing the presence of a pair 
> of 17mm lenses on eBay

Who says any of us were trying to do anyone a favor?  The
mention came about as part of a conversation in which the lens
was mentioned only peripherally.
-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Z-5 VS. ZX-5n....

[dosk]

Which would you choose:

 Z-5 ?
ZX5-n ?

Leave out price considerations. Which would you choose, based solely on
their features.??
Thanks,
Dosk

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Re: eStuff

[IronWorks]

3 days and 14+ hours left.

Maris

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:08 PM
Subject: OT: eStuff


| http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215014562
| 
| A28/2.8 going too cheap!
| 
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| executive and judiciary in the same hands . . .
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| 
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Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography)

[Steve Larson]

Good answer Gianfranco, but that would be in miles  ;)

Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: New Zealand (Was: Geography) 


> petit miam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How many of you know where New Zealand is?
> 
> Under my feet... almost 12,000km exactly down under...
> 
> Gianfranco
> (from Italy :)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Autofocus Question

[Ed Mathews]

(sorry - this was meant to be private)

Thanks,
Ed
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From: "Ed Mathews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Autofocus Question


> Hi Shel,
>  I sent all 9 files to your creatures.comfort address.  I hope you can
> make use of the article.  My scans are not great, but they should be
> readable/printable.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Autofocus Question
>
>
> > Ed Sed:
> >
> > > Yeah, for focus accuracy, a macro
> > > lens should provide better flatness
> > > of field and be better.  But then
> > > you get all those nasty macro problems,
> > > like: too sharp; not such great bokeh;
> > > slower lens, etc
> >
> > I like "too sharp".  The A100/2.8 macro is no slower than the
> > K105/2.8.  I've not checked the bokeh, though.  Might be
> > worthwhile to consider for some shots.
> >
> > > I have a Popular Photography article
> > > that I scanned from a while back that
> > > compares manual focus and autofocus
> > > accuracy [...] I'll e-mail you (or
> > > anyone) that if you wish, but it's 9
> > > big jpgs, and I'm only sending it once,
> > > so let me know.
> >
> > I may have read that article, but I'd like a copy IAC.  Please
> > send it to this address:  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if
> > it's no problem.  Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Shel Belinkoff
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Re: MT (OT)

[Dan Scott]

>i think it is a  rather simple request. if it is photo related or pentax
>related it goes on the list.
>
Simple is good.

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Re: Autofocus Question

[Ed Mathews]

Hi Shel,
 I sent all 9 files to your creatures.comfort address.  I hope you can
make use of the article.  My scans are not great, but they should be
readable/printable.

Thanks,
Ed
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Autofocus Question


> Ed Sed:
>
> > Yeah, for focus accuracy, a macro
> > lens should provide better flatness
> > of field and be better.  But then
> > you get all those nasty macro problems,
> > like: too sharp; not such great bokeh;
> > slower lens, etc
>
> I like "too sharp".  The A100/2.8 macro is no slower than the
> K105/2.8.  I've not checked the bokeh, though.  Might be
> worthwhile to consider for some shots.
>
> > I have a Popular Photography article
> > that I scanned from a while back that
> > compares manual focus and autofocus
> > accuracy [...] I'll e-mail you (or
> > anyone) that if you wish, but it's 9
> > big jpgs, and I'm only sending it once,
> > so let me know.
>
> I may have read that article, but I'd like a copy IAC.  Please
> send it to this address:  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if
> it's no problem.  Thanks!
>
> --
> Shel Belinkoff
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17mm Admonition: Was: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[Joseph McAllister]

Wearily, Doug Franklin opined on 02/18/2001 08:09:

>On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:30:51 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>> There are two 17mm Takumars on eBay right now:
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215155304
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1213965903
>
>The second one ended at US$ 515 ...

Ya know, fellas, you're not doing anyone on the list a favor by 
announcing the presence of a pair of 17mm lenses on eBay, and continuing 
to maintain the very tired old subject line that no one looks at anymore.

When the subject changes, change the friggin subject




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Flash sync voltage protection device

[Collin Brendemuehl]

Wein Safe-Sync HS Voltage-Regulated PC/ Hot Shoe Adapter
  ^  ^  ^  ^
/ \/ \/ \/ \
  |  |  |  |
  |  |  |  |

The above item @ Porters is designed to help remedy the problem,
addressed here periodically, of high sync voltages with newer bodies.

Collin

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Re: Wimter Carnival photography: Pentax goes to the races

[Ken Archer]

When I was first starting in photography, I was using a Pentax H1 (which I
still have and it still works).  Standard fair for the commercial studio I
worked at in Denver, Colorado, was Leica rangefinder models.  Every fall they
went to the repair shop to be "winterized" while my Pentax kept right on
working.  There is a lot to be said for the simplicity of the Spotmatics and
K1000s.  Especially this time of year.

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, you wrote:
> I am thinking I should send one of my Super Programs in and have
> it winter lubricated, and dedicate the body to shooting in the
> cold.
> William Robb
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Re: PZ-1p

[SudaMafud]

In a message dated 2/18/01 5:26:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< How do you guys connect a studio flash? >>

www.Porters.com sells hot shoe to PC adapters.

Mafud
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Re: Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[Yoshihiko Takinami]

Hi Take,

At 19 Feb 2001 01:14:14 +0900,
Takehiko Ueda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote;

> > who uses a PZ-1p screen in an LX
> 
> I know that an LX meters on the film itself.  But when you
> use it in manual mode, is compensation required?

No compensation required.

The metering system of LX is completely independent from
screens.

> According to Boz's site, it seems the screen for a PZ-1p is
> very bright... I don't know if it's much brighter than the
> original LX's, though.

Brightness doesn't always mean good for focusing screens.
It usually reduce the focus preciseness.

Amazingly, these natural bright matte screens are really
good for precise focus though they are quite bright.
And in this point of view, the new screens for LX are even
superior to Z-1p's, IMHO.

Hope this helps.
--
Yoshihiko Takinami
Osaka, Japan
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Waterbath (Was: Ilford Film choise)

[Jens Bladt]

Hi all
A few days ago the was a thread on this list about Ilford film and
developing.
I suggested that if development were interrupted by a waterbath, the negs
would turn out softer/come out with less contrast. I promised to do some
tests. I have done just that.

I shot 24 frames (of white cups, backlit), exposing an Ilford FP4+ at 125
ASA by 1/180 sec./F8. I developed in ID11 1+1 for 7 minutes, 21 degrees
Celsius.
I cut the film in half. One half was developed normally. The development of
other half was interupted after 4 minutes by a 3 minute waterbath, then
developed again for the last 3 minutes. I have made prints, made exactly the
same way. Difference? Very small! Almost zero!

The normal negs have a little more density in the highlights (which was
expected).
By measuring the exact same place (darksest part of neg), I found that the
exposure value (time) was 10% larger for the "normal" neg. In the brightest
part of the negs, the exposure value was the same (naturally, since the film
have no tone in the brightest parts).
So, even though the "normal" negs were developed shorter time (no 3 minute
waterbath/very, very thin solution), the density in the highlights is
higher.
So it seems like the waterbath works. But the difference is very small.
Measurable? Yes! Visible?Hardly! (I guess developing in stock solution will
show a larger difference).
To reduce contrast, I think it's more effecient to over expose and under
develop. To control the hightlights, as someone put it, we should not over
develop (and perhaps don't use stock solution), and of course not over
agitate.

Best Regards,
Jens

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OT: eStuff

[Collin Brendemuehl]

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215014562

A28/2.8 going too cheap!

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Re: TTL PENTAX camera bodies

[Collin Brendemuehl]

At 05:00 PM 2/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Program Plus/Program A, A3000/A3, P3/P30(n, t, or plain), P5/P50 Regards,  Bob S.

Add to that the ZX-M/MZ-M.

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Re: TTL PENTAX camera bodies

[SudaMafud]

In a message dated 2/18/01 5:02:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<< < (snip of questions I can't help with)...
  Lastly: isn't TTL flash (on bodies capable of TTL flash) always available, 
  even with manual focus?   >>
 
 Yes
 
 Regards,  Bob S. >>


Thanks Bob S.

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RE: OL Re: Geography

[Collin Brendemuehl]

So anyone who gets this question wrong is in Dutch?  :)

Collin

At 10:00 PM 2/18/01 +, FJW wrote:
>Wrong again, the province Zeeland is in the Netherlands (The Kingdom of the
>Netherlands). Two other provinces in the Netherlands, North-Holland and
>South-Holland are together Holland.
> >
> > Wrong, that is in Holland.
> >
> > > Is this a test? I`ll say it`s next to Old Zealand.


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Re: The M Zooms

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a recent message someone implied that the old M zooms were not that
> good.  I must beg to differ.  I have the 80-200 f/4 M zoom and it is
> good, though I would not compare it to the 80-200 f/2.8 Pentax of
> today.

I believe the phrase I used was "don't necessarily expect great
things," which I think is a reasonable warning.  I'm not saying that the M
zooms were of poor quality.  I'm saying that any time you put a TC on a
zoom lens you will lose some quality.  This applies even for new AF lenses
today, so I'm sure it applies at least as much to the M zooms, which were
made in the early days of zoom lens design.  I then said that it really
depended on how picky you are.  Some people will never notice the
difference (myself probably included), while others will see it every
time.  If you're happy with the results, great.  It doesn't mean that
everyone will be, hence my warning.  If you hadn't mentioned that you were
unhappy with a previous TC/zoom experience, I might not have even thought
to warn you that it's possible that the zoom could have shared some of the
blame with the TC.

> I used to have the 75-150 f/4 M zoom and that one was superlative.  
> Perhaps it was the more limited zoom range, I don't know, but I have
> many, many, sharp, beautiful photos taken with that lens.

Great!  Any that you feel like submitting to the PUG?  (Yeah, I
know... I'll get around to it one of these months).  :)

chris

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RE: MZ-S 1/2 stop vs. 1/3 stop

[Jens Bladt]

Hi
Judging from the pics, it's pretty obvious, that you can choose between
bracketing in half or whole stops, dependig on which way you turn the dial.
I guess you can put the "center picture" (on measurement) anywhere it goes
within the interval of correction. Since very few people use the German
scale "DIN" instead of "ASA", 1/3 steps are considered "outdated", I guess.
(1/3 step equals one DIN). I like the Z1-p bracketing feature, though. Ir
also allows, let's say 1.67 stops between exposures. I guess Pentax wants to
get rid of the mode/menu/select type of handeling and make things more
"analog" or "retro", which is coresponding well with the "MZ" philosophy.
Jens

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Re: BIRDS EYE lens screw mount 4 Pentax

[Frank Theriault]

William Kane wrote:

> This is ACTUALLY supposed to be a t-mount lens, not a m42.  The seller
> obviously doesn't know that.
>

What the heck's that little tube sticking out the mounting end (it looks
like) of the lens?

regards,
frank

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Re: MT (OT)

[Dan Scott]

>>PT: Pentax topic.
>>PRT: photography-related topic
>>OT: off-topic
>>OL: off-list
>>BT: bullshit topic
>>TC: trivial comment ("I agree," "thanks," "me too" etc.)
>>RBT: really boring topic
>>MT: meta-topic, i.e., post in which we discuss the appropriateness of
>>various topics.
>>
>>Punishment for mislabeling posts: __
>
>I have the feeling that if too much rules have been applied to the list, the
>overall discussion might become too dry. This was the reason I was on and
>off the list in the past. The amount of post might drop dramatically as well
>(if that's what some wanted). I think a little human touch won't hurt. 8-)
>
>regards,
>Alan Chan

Agreed. As it was, I had a hard enough time remembering if OT was "On
Topic", "Off Topic", or "Out There"--you start putting this alphabet soup
on everything and the few brain cells I have left will start smoking from
the OL (OverLoad). My feeble minded solution to the noise is to sort the
posts by subject and then read a few. It doesn't take that long to mentally
assign a topic a C (Crap) and delete the whole lot even if there are
seventy-five of them. Surprisingly satisying sometimes--and anyway, one
person's C is another's G.

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Re: Not compressing a JPG (Was: Bodies Roll Call UPDATE 59)

[Treena Harp]

You're right, I should have been more clear.

- Original Message -
From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:40 AM
Subject: Not compressing a JPG (Was: Bodies Roll Call UPDATE 59)


> Treena wrote:
> > Sometimes they are. Part of the problem is people who bring me pictures
on
> > disk instead of a negative or print. They want to get as many pics as
> > possible on to one disk, so they use the very highest jpeg compression.
> > Everytime you open and close the file, you compress it again
>
> Only if you use "Save", not if you simply close the file.
>
> Lasse
>
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OT: test

[Bob Walkden]

test


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Re: (probably stupid) tripod question, plus advice needed

[William Kane]

Hmmm,

   I'm not absolutly positive of this, but the wider stance of the Benbo
4 would probably offer a heck of alot more stability than the legs of a
mini-tripod

Illinois Bill

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I'll chance it anyhow :-)
> why would one buy a special tripod like the uni-lock or benbo 4 variety
> for low-angle shots instead of simply using a table tripod such as the
> mini manfrotto? I can see why the immersable legs of the benbo would
> come in handy (low-angle nature shots taken in river..), but on solid
> grounds?
> I must be missing something obvious here, but what?
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Re: BIRDS EYE lens screw mount 4 Pentax

[William Kane]

This is ACTUALLY supposed to be a t-mount lens, not a m42.  The seller
obviously doesn't know that.

"Gary L. Murphy" wrote:
> 
> Interesting item.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215412977
> 
> Later,
> Gary
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OT: WTB: Tripod Part

[Collin Brendemuehl]

I need a foot for my tripod.
It's an old one and the foot
was one of those screwn-in types
that came unscrewed and got lost
who knows where.  The thread is the
same as your tripod mount thread.

Thanks,

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Re: Ebay Auction: Is this true?

[Frank Theriault]

You're right, Chris, both about the Towers sold by Sears, and about this one
not being a Pentax.  Maybe it'll come to me, but I think I knew at one point,
who made this camera.

And, although he didn't claim that the lenses were by Pentax, they look
suspiciously like a very cheap and crappy Vivitar plastic barrel screwmount
lens that I have.

regards,
frank

Chris Brogden wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Takehiko Ueda wrote:
>
> > Found this at Ebay.  Is this true?
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1213624528
> > The seller describes the goods as follows;
> > 
> > sears camera made by pentax.
>
> Nope.  Pentax did make some cameras that were sold by Sears (Tower 23, 24,
> 22, 26, and 29), but this ain't one of 'em.
>
> chris
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Re: PZ-1p

[Nicholas Wright]

--- James Apilado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> A lot of the group own the PZ-1p.  What items for
> the this camera have some
> of you acquired that make it easy, if that's the
> term, to use in everyday
> shooting.  I know I can't get an AA adapter for it
> like I got for my SF1n
> camera.  Some have mentioned a grip that make
> handling the PZ easier.

I have not used the acc grip strap, but I figured that
it would greatly extend the time that it takes to
change a battery and seconds count as a journalist.
Besides my hands are not exactly that big so the grip
of the z1p handles very nicely for me.

> Finally,  I shoot some photos on a tripod.  Instead
> of attaching a cable
> release, I use the camera's self timer to trip the
> shutter.  When my eye is
> away from the VF, does the extraneous light affect
> the auto exposure?  My
> older ESII has a blind.  The ES had a VF cover to
> block light.  I think the
> LX isn't affected by light entering the VF.
> Thanks,
> Jim A. 

Yes, light entering the vf will affect the exposure
reading. Pentax includes a vf cover with new z1ps.

Nick

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RE: Ebay Auction: Is this true?

[pdml]

This is one of the cameras Sears sold that was made by Ricoh for 
them.  ( I've also read that they were made Cosina as a supplier to 
Ricoh and Sears both. )  Only thing Pentax about it is the K-mount.

I bought one for my 9-year old to use.  I also bought a non-
functional Ricoh XR-6 as a parts source for this camera.  They 
appear to be almost identical, except for the Sears' lack of a cable 
release socket and winder socket.

Mark Gosdin

Takehiko wrote:

> Found this at Ebay.  Is this true?

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-
> cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1213624528
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Re: fisheye

[dees]

ahh there's a body search too! never thought of that :-)

yup the sacred word *does* appear in the 'body', so I guess the
extra-careful searcher will eventually stumble upon it... within the
three-day span that is!

Daphne

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Re: fisheye

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> oops, looks like you cannot add anything to an item's title once there's
> a bid :-Oo

True, but you can add it to the body of the auction.  I can't remember if
you have the words "fisheye" and/or "fish-eye" in the body or not, but if
you don't, you can add them.  eBay's search tool gives you the option of
searching just the headers or the description as well.  I usually just
search the header because I'm lazy, but a body search would bring it up if
you've used the word there.

chris

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Quicky LX question

[Dave Weiss]

Hello all;

One quicky question before I send my new LX out to have the foam redone: 
How is the MLU activated?  Is it the round part of the 
self timer in front of the camera?  Can it be activated without film in the
camera?

thanks!

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Re: OT: WTB, Shutterbug, Feb. '01

[Mark Roberts]

You can have my copy for the price of postage.

mark


On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:21:27 -0800 (PST), John Edwin Mason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>Hi, folks.
>
>Does someone have a February 2001 Shutterbug that
>they'd be willing to part with for a few bucks?
>
>Thanks, John
>
>
>=
>John Edwin Mason
>Charlottesville, Virginia
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Focusing Screen

[Gary L. Murphy]

Looking for a good used FS-50 screen. I would prefer on that had the install tool and 
instructions.

Please reply off list.

Thanks!




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Re: fisheye

[dees]

oops, looks like you cannot add anything to an item's title once there's
a bid :-Oo

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Re: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> LOL... well it remains to be seen *if*  K fisheyes are worth as much as
> you think they are.. I listed mine on ebay for a three-day round. Soo,
> how much didya say it ought to sell for again? :-))


I hope you put a pretty high reserve on it.  Generally (though there are
exceptions), 7 day auctions generate more exposure than 3 day ones, so the
final price tends to be higher.  Also, it's a relatively slow time of the
year for eBay, I think.  Good luck!

chris

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Re: Quicky LX question

[William Robb]

Push the round button inside the self timer lever in and push
the self timer lever towards the mirror box.
The camera doesn't need film for this operation, nor does the
shutter need to be cocked.
William Robb
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From: "Dave Weiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax-discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: February 18, 2001 11:55 AM
Subject: Quicky LX question


> Hello all;
>
> One quicky question before I send my new LX out to have the
foam redone:
> How is the MLU activated?  Is it the round part of the
> self timer in front of the camera?  Can it be activated
without film in the
> camera?
>
> thanks!
>
> dave


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Re: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[dees]

>you should consider adding "fishyeye" to the description (maybe instead
of
>"w/ case" if it's still possible.  Anyone doing a search for
"Pentax
>fisheye" won't come up with anything.
although its NO fishyeye, really!

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Re: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[dees]

yea you're right ! I always type those titles too quick.
okay I'll try and change it
thanks for the tip (what, cases not important now? :-)))
Daphne

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Re: Ebay Auction: Is this true?

[Chris Brogden]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Takehiko Ueda wrote:

> Found this at Ebay.  Is this true?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1213624528
> The seller describes the goods as follows;
> 
> sears camera made by pentax.

Nope.  Pentax did make some cameras that were sold by Sears (Tower 23, 24,
22, 26, and 29), but this ain't one of 'em.

chris

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Re: TCs for the 80-200M f/4 lens and the 50mm f/1.7 M lens

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have the 80-200 f/4 M lens and the 50mm f/1.7 lens.  I would like to
> get a decent 1.4TC for for them.  years ago when I first purchased the
> lenses I bought a TC (I think it was a Tamron or maybe a Soligor).  
> The results were awful, much worse than if I simply enlarged the
> negative to get a bigger photo.  I have heard that modrern optical
> technology has greatly improved the qualityh of TC's.
> 
> Can anybody make any suggestions?

Modern TC's have improved, but the quality of the M zooms has
not.  :)  You should get some pretty good results with your 50/1.7, but
don't necessarily expect great things with the 80-200 zoom.  Of course,
this depends on how picky you are.  I like Tamron's 7-element TC's myself,
asI've seen some very nice shots come back from them, and they're not that
expensive.  Pentax makes one, of course, but it's quite expensive, even in
used condition.

chris

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Re: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> LOL... well it remains to be seen *if*  K fisheyes are worth as much as
> you think they are.. I listed mine on ebay for a three-day round. Soo,
> how much didya say it ought to sell for again? :-))

What's the URL?  I did a search for "Pentax fisheye" and "Pentax
fish-eye," but nothing came up.  

If yours is
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215719661

you should consider adding "fishyeye" to the description (maybe instead of
"w/ case" if it's still possible.  Anyone doing a search for "Pentax
fisheye" won't come up with anything.

Good luck!

chris

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Re: OT: Americans rewriting history (was: SMC - Zeiss x Asahi ?!? )

[GLewis4457]

In a message dated 2/16/01 8:15:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


Everyone can write about anything
giving the account they believe they can prove.





H, I don't think that this is a requirement...even among semiacademic 
works..i.e. holocaust deniers...

Not compressing a JPG (Was: Bodies Roll Call UPDATE 59)

[Lasse Karlsson]

Treena wrote:
> Sometimes they are. Part of the problem is people who bring me pictures on
> disk instead of a negative or print. They want to get as many pics as
> possible on to one disk, so they use the very highest jpeg compression.
> Everytime you open and close the file, you compress it again

Only if you use "Save", not if you simply close the file.

Lasse

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Re: OT posts

[FstopTraveler]

There are too extremes in dealing with OT messages.  One is to be so 
restrictive that the list becomes stale with its members scared to bring up 
any subject that is not 110% Pentax related.  The other is to allow all sorts 
of garbage usually with the caveat that others can ignore that stuff if they 
wish.    That is an open license to so dilute the list that serious Pentax 
users will go elsewhere.

So far we seemed to have found a happy middle ground, though we often move 
around the middle rather than walking a straight line.  Such is life.

TCs for the 80-200M f/4 lens and the 50mm f/1.7 M lens

[FstopTraveler]

I have the 80-200 f/4 M lens and the 50mm f/1.7 lens.  I would like to get a 
decent 1.4TC for for them.  years ago when I first purchased the lenses I 
bought a TC (I think it was a Tamron or maybe a Soligor).  The results were 
awful, much worse than if I simply enlarged the negative to get a bigger 
photo.    I have heard that modrern optical technology has greatly improved 
the qualityh of TC's.  

Can anybody make any suggestions?

Re: I've been enabled...

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, David A. Mann wrote:

>  Well, I did it: I've bought another K2 body, this one with a 50mm f/1.2 lens.

Congrats!

>  And now the bad news, I traded two of my other K2's to buy it :(  So at the 
> moment the only 35mm bodies I have are a single K2 and a Z-1p so now I 
> can only run two types of film at a time!  I'm going to miss those other 
> bodies, but I just didn't have much use for four bodies, let alone five.

Well, as long as you got at least one body and a good lens to replace
them, that's not too bad.  At least you're enabling someone else to buy
Pentax bodies, and that's a Good Thing, right?  :)
 
>  BTW, the f/1.2 lens is beautiful; it looks as if it was made
> yesterday.  The rear element is _huge_: it's as big as the mount will
> physically allow.  Both the front and rear elements are massive even
> compared to my 55/1.8.  I can't wait to go out and try some "available
> dark" shooting.

Sounds like fun.  If I was using HTML, my text would be green with
envy.  :)  Of course, my A 50/1.4 and I get along just fine, so I can't
really justify the 1.2 at the moment.

chris

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Re: Underexposing high speed print films

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, David A. Mann wrote [after liberal snipping]:

>  I'm currently wondering what kind of film would be best.  The biggest
> problem is that I don't know how bright those lights are going to be.  
> 
>  I'd rather use a B&W film as it won't result in an annoying
> yellow/orange cast in my prints (depending what type of lights they
> use).

Good idea.  I'd probably stick with B&W film.  I usually only shoot C-41
in low light when I *want* a weird colour cast to the shots.  Colour
corrrection filters, of course, are pretty much useless in low light, and
if you're not sure about the lighting you're probably safer to use
B&W.  But take some colour anyway.  I've never shot Konica's 3200, but the
Fuji 800's are nice and I've heard good things about Kodak's Supra 800.

As for B&W film, both Kodak and Ilford make 3200's that are really slower
emulsions (800 or 1000) which are designed to be pushed.  You should be
able to comfortably shoot those anywhere from 800 to 6400, and maybe even
higher if you don't mind huge grain.  Keep in mind that the lights might
trick your meter into excessively fast shutter speeds, or, conversely,
that the dark might tempt it to overexpose.  If you can take a spot
reading off one of the riders and ignore the lights and the general
darkness, you should be okay.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out!

chris

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Re: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[dees]

LOL... well it remains to be seen *if*  K fisheyes are worth as much as
you think they are.. I listed mine on ebay for a three-day round. Soo,
how much didya say it ought to sell for again? :-))

Daphne

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Re: Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[James Apilado]

Hi Doug,
Are the screens for the PZ-1p all interchangeable with LX screens? Or did
you have make some adjustments on the screens?
Jim A.

> From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:04:25 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Amazing new screen for LX !!!
> 
> Shel,
> 
> I use the FK-60 "Golden Section" screen. There's one in my PZ-1p as well. I
> like the consistent view I get when I switch cameras, and the golden section
> is generally suited to my compositional tastes.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> At 7:37 AM -08002/18/01, Shel Belinkoff caused thus to appear:
>> Hi, Doug ...
>> 
>> Which PZ-1p screen do you use in the LX, and why?  What style is
>> the screen?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Shel Belinkoff
> -- 
> Douglas Forrest Brewer
> Ashwood Lake Photography
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Re: Phil Spector, The Ronnettes, Springbank 21 and Tri-X

[Mike Johnston]

Shel wrote:

> The point of all this is to once again reiterate how easy it is
> to process your own B&W film.  Jon, it's almost impossible to
> screw up the process.  If you're concerned, burn a roll shooting
> some snaps of your car, or a garden hoe, and practice your
> processing on those unimportant images.  I agree with Tom ...
> you'll probably do a better job than that lab.



Actually, there's one really good way to screw it up--use cheap, bent, or
old reels to roll your filmstrips on. If you get a bad reel, you'd be
excused for thinking that rolling your film easily is nigh impossible.

For years I've been touting a secret darkroom weapon--the highest-quality
processing reels on the planet, the outstanding Hewes U.K. reels. These are
heavy-duty, superbly made reels without that infernal clip in the
middle--they've got simple pins instead that are very easy to use. They
don't bend, they stay in true, and they don't have burrs. They load like a
dream every time. (Heck, I can do it in the dark .)

They're expensive--$18-$20 each currently. But I really feel they're worth
the investment. And they don't age or wear out. I've had six of them for
going on 20 years, and mine are as good right now as the day I bought them.
You'll never buy reels again.

They're also sold under the "King Concept" name. Look for them in the B&H
ads--they're in there somewhere.

Most highly recommended.

--Mike

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Re: Ebay Auction: Is this true?

[Todd Stanley]

It's a K-mount made by Ricoh, not Pentax.  Yes it does accept all K-mount
lenses.  The one lens is 135mm I believe, and it's macro is down to 1:5.
It's made by Albinar.  It's a pretty good lens, but really doesn't get down
to what I consider Macro range.  Ditto on the 200mm lens.  The KS Super II
is an aperture priority only camera though.  It's very simular to the Sears
KS2 (Ricoh XRS, XR7) which is a very capable body.  

Todd

At 12:10 AM 2/19/01 +0900, you wrote:
>Found this at Ebay.  Is this true?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1213624528
>The seller describes the goods as follows;
>
>sears camera made by pentax. accepts all "k" mount accys.
>has 2 telephoto lenses (one is 200mm the other is 140mm)
>both with macro features, bounce flash padded carrying
>case.email with any q's. buyer pays 10.00 shipping. paypal
> also accepted. selling because have gone digital. this
>camera has always taken great pictures.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan
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Re: 50mm F1.2 on e-Bay....

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I see... My fisheye is, bien sur, a K-mount. that explains it then!
> okay I guess I'll find another way of getting a 50mm f1.2 :-)
> I got a 50mmf1.4-A which I like a lot, just was curious to use the 1.2
> in low(er) light...
> thanks Chris!
> 
> Daphne

Er... what I meant to say was that K-mount fisheyes are practically a dime
a dozen.  I actually had to kick a couple out of my way this morning as I
walked down the sidewalk.  So why don't you give me a week or two to come
up with a 50/1.2, and then I'll trade you fair and square for your
common, average, nothing-special fisheye?  I know it's practically robbing
me, but I'm willing to suffer a bit for list members.  :)

*L*
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OL: Re: MT (OT)

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, jeepgirl wrote:

> >I think a little human touch won't hurt. 8-)
> 
> I agree.  I like human touch.  :)~  
> 
> jeepgirl 

Uh oh... I see a whole new OL thread coming up!  :)

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Re: Max 5 posts a day? (Was: There's OK, Then There's OT etc

[Chris Brogden]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > I like this!  Let's try to do it, okay?  "OT" for messages that deal with
> > other aspects of photography or photographic equipment than Pentax, and
> > "OL" for messages that have nothing to do with photography at all.  That
> > seems preferable to banning or censoring the messages, especially since
> > some of them can be quite interesting.  :)
> 
> I honestly have to say that I disagree, Chris.

That's ok... it happens to everyone at some point.  :)

> OT labels are certainly 
> appropriate for OT posts.  However, for truly "off list" messages (regardless 
> of their quality in the realms of politics, philosophy, religion, or society) 
> , what is appropriate is that they ~not~ be posted at all to the PDML.  There 
> are many, many other forums for non-photography thoughts to be expressed, 
> right?

I agree with you on all counts there, Fred.  OL messages should definitely
not be posted to the PDML.  However, unless someone is willing to step in
and say "Don't post any more messages to this topic on the list," we'll
still have this problem.  And even that might not be enough; we probably
need a moderator to ensure that no OL message ever makes it through.  What
I'm trying to do is recognize that there will be OL messages posted, and
to suggest a labelling system that will at least allow the rest of us to
recognize them and delete them if we prefer.  Right now, the problem with
the OT label is that both OT and OL messages are getting labelled as OT,
which means that we have to keep reading the OL posts for fear of missing
the good OT ones.  If people could add "OL" to their subject line for OL
messages, then we could still read the photography-related OT posts
without haveing to suffer through the OL ones (except for the digest
folks, of course, who suffer either way).

Now the question becomes, "If the people who post OL messages are doing so
even after knowing that they shouldn't, are they really going to take the
time to add "OL" to the subject line?"  Honestly, I don't know.  I even
suspect that they won't, at first.  The only redeeming thing about the OL
header is that I, personally, would feel much more comfortable about
criticizing someone for not labelling a post as OL than I would about
criticizing them for sending that post in the first place.  I imagine that
there have been times when most of us have posted, or wanted to post, OL
messages to the list.  Maybe something about what's happening in our
personal lives, maybe something that's totally unrelated to photography
but that the list might be able to help us out with, etc.  Legitimate OL
posts do exist, IMO, and I don't think that it would necessarily be a bad
idea to have an OL label.  Any thoughts on this?

chris

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Re: Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Yoshihiko ...

This is wonderful news.  I must find these screens.  Pentax is
sometimes so surprising.  Imagine coming out with new
accessories for a camera that is essentially out of production,
and which is 20 years old.  Very good information!
-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Yoshihiko Takinami wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Pentax introduced three types of new finder screens for LX
> to the Japanese market.

[...]

> Pentax gives new hope to our LX !!!
 
> Just an information.
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Re: Max 5 posts a day? (Was: There's OK, Then There's OT etc

[Frank Theriault]

I agree with all you say, Doug.

Seems to me that the answer is self-moderation.  As I said earlier, most of the OT 
threads start off innocently enough, with some relevancy to Pentax or photography, but 
with this many contributors, it's easy to get off on wild tangents without realizing 
it.  If we all use some common sense, these things can be nipped in the bud by, 
firstly, restraining oneself from responding when things go off the rails, and, 
secondly, by someone jumping in with a polite "this is too far off topic/is 
offensive/should be stopped", post.

regards,
frank

Doug Brewer wrote:

> That's a pretty big leap, there, Otis.  Did I say anything about censorship? Any 
>member of the list is free to hold and describe any position on any issue. The 
>problem is that some members of the list feel it is their right to force everyone 
>else on the list to receive those descriptions, =none= of which have anything to do 
>with Pentax/photography. There are, as has been suggested, many many more suitable 
>lists, bulletin boards, etc where such messages are encouraged and expected. The 
>suggestion, with which I agree, is to send such messages to =those= places, or to 
>move them to a private exchange.
>
> Note that I am saying this not as the list admin, but as a participating member of 
>the list. As List Guy, I see my job as facilitating getting the messages from you to 
>the rest of the list. It is your job to monitor the content of your messages.
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Re: Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

Yoshihiko Takinami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pentax introduced three types of new finder screens for LX
> to the Japanese market.
> They are ;
> SC-69 : matte field and split image sopt with microprism
> collar (as SC-21)
> SE-60 : simple matte field screen (as SE-20 but no circle)
> SG-60 : matte field with cross hair (as SG-20)
> I recently bought a SE-69 for 1,600 JPY (ca. 14 USD).
> It was really amazing !!
> Pentax gives new hope to our LX !!!
> Just an information.

Hi Yoshihiko,
Thanks for the info, I'm happy to hear that!
Just a thought: could that mean that there is compatibility between the LX and
the MZ-S screens?

Do you have any hint about where those screens can be purchased outside Japan?
At that price I'd buy two of every kind...

Gianfranco


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Ebay Auction: Is this true?

[Takehiko Ueda]

Found this at Ebay.  Is this true?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1213624528
The seller describes the goods as follows;

sears camera made by pentax. accepts all "k" mount accys.
has 2 telephoto lenses (one is 200mm the other is 140mm)
both with macro features, bounce flash padded carrying
case.email with any q's. buyer pays 10.00 shipping. paypal
 also accepted. selling because have gone digital. this
camera has always taken great pictures.

Sincerely,


Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan
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Re: There's OK, Then There's OT, and Then There's OL (was: PDML rewriting h...

[Frank Theriault]

agreed

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 2/17/2001 2:46:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Does someone simply jump into an OT thread and say "enough"?
> > Any answers out there?
>
> Well, I don't think that it's the OT posts (and I'm referring to the
> non-Pentax-but-still-photographic posts) that are the problem.  It's the
> posts that have nothing to do with Pentax specifically or photography
> generally that I think should be taken elsewhere.
>
> Fred
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Amazing new screen for LX !!!

[Yoshihiko Takinami]

Hi guys,

Pentax introduced three types of new finder screens for LX
to the Japanese market.

They are ;

SC-69 : matte field and split image sopt with microprism
collar (as SC-21)
SE-60 : simple matte field screen (as SE-20 but no circle)
SG-60 : matte field with cross hair (as SG-20)

The matte field of these screens are modified natural bright
matte which is specially tuned for LX finder optics, I heard.

I recently bought a SE-69 for 1,600 JPY (ca. 14 USD).

It was really amazing !!

I wrote again and again that the screens for LX were dull
and no good.   But this one was superb.   Focusing ability
and focus easiness were impressive, just comparable to those
of K-1000 !!  (K-1000 is superior to normal LX, IMHO.)

Pentax gives new hope to our LX !!!

Just an information.
--
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Osaka, Japan
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Re: Underexposing high speed print films

[SudaMafud]

In a message dated 2/18/01 2:41:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  I'm going to want some reasonably action-stopping shutter speeds 
(although 
 I'll do a few slower shots for effect); 1/125 or faster would be great if I 
could 
 get it. >>

But you know panning with the subject is a form of stop-action shooting and 
the blurred backgrounds will impart the sense of speed and action.
You do have to reconnoiter the site, and since you're not likely to capture 
much color without flash, you might choose to shoot a fast B&W film, 3200 at 
least. 

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Re: Underexposing high speed print films

[SudaMafud]

In a message dated 2/18/01 2:41:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 
  I'd appreciate any advice on how well the high-speed C-41 films (eg PJ800 
 which I can get cheap at the moment) can handle 2-3 stops of 
 underexposure,  >>

I'm certain PJ 800 (used in conjunction with the 50 f/1.2) won't underexpose 
by three stops.

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Re: Max 5 posts a day? (Was: There's OK, Then There's OT etc

[Doug Brewer]

That's a pretty big leap, there, Otis.  Did I say anything about censorship? Any 
member of the list is free to hold and describe any position on any issue. The problem 
is that some members of the list feel it is their right to force everyone else on the 
list to receive those descriptions, =none= of which have anything to do with 
Pentax/photography. There are, as has been suggested, many many more suitable lists, 
bulletin boards, etc where such messages are encouraged and expected. The suggestion, 
with which I agree, is to send such messages to =those= places, or to move them to a 
private exchange.

Note that I am saying this not as the list admin, but as a participating member of the 
list. As List Guy, I see my job as facilitating getting the messages from you to the 
rest of the list. It is your job to monitor the content of your messages.

Doug



At 1:23 AM -05002/18/01, Otis Wright, Jr. caused thus to appear:
>Although you correctly state the list mission, I suggest a little care about taking 
>the seasoning out of the soup.  As for me, censorship is a no no --- right in there 
>with book burning 
>
>Otis Wright
>
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Re: Hick Country Re: OT: Single use cameras

[SudaMafud]

In a message dated 2/18/01 12:52:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I suppose they could put weaker springs in the shutter to slow it
 down a couple of stops, but that won't help the flash range,
 just the daylight stuff.
 William Robb >>

As I remember William, the first single use cameras did ~not~ have flash (as 
some today) and came with 100 or 200. Flash and 800 are recent, how recent I 
don't know. I know I shot a wedding in '97 where the table cameras were 200. 

Mafud
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Re: Break the Bank for Pentax on Ebay

[John Mustarde]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:23:21 -0700, you wrote:

>
>This dude wuz robbed! I underbid him by $0.51 !
>
>I'll collect the special award now.
>
>lehcim (Michel)
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Ha! Gotcha! 

That was my secret ruse to identify whether or not the $0.99 bid was
from a PDML'er!

So you get the "Out of Closet Award"!

Now you'll be on the Secret List which helps me avoid any searching...
much easier to just watch what the other PDML'ers are bidding on...
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Re: MT (OT)

[Collin Brendemuehl]

At 12:05 AM 2/18/01 -0500, you wrote:

>SM: Superfluous message?
>
>Bob


I think that matches BT

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Re: MT (OT)

[Collin Brendemuehl]

At 09:55 PM 2/17/01 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Punishment for mislabeling posts: ?
>
>--Mike

One must hold either a C* or a N* for 1 hour
while standing on one's head.

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RE: MT (OT)

[Len Paris]

> Mike J wrote:
> > P.S. There was a thread on the Leica User Group
> that went on for hundreds of
> > posts about camera straps, and a _recurring_ thread
> about whether one should
> > use black tape on one's M6 to cover the white
> letters that say "Leica M6"
> > (that one really gets peoples' blood boiling).
> >So things around here could be worse.
>
> They have been.
>
> Lasse

Yes they have.  Pentax kicked us out because they didn't want
the world to think that they had any official connection with
us.  We were an embarrassment to them.  If it weren't for Doug,
we'd have no home right now.

Len
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Re: Subject: MZ-S spirit (was: MZ-S with LX durability)

[Pål Jensen]

Mafud wrote:
> You can't defend his declarative statement. The MZ-S is "small(er)" than the 
> PZ-1/1p clan but by how much? Small in ~whose~ hands? There are some who find 
> the PZ-1p too large for their hands while others, myself included, find that 
> it fits.  [snip] 
>But judging the MZ-S small, only by reading 
> the measurements? 

Yes. I didn't talk about how it fits into peoples hands. Just that it is small. This 
can be judged from the Cameras measurements wich has been published.

> And we have a $400+ or - ~estimate~ on the cost. Neither is ~knowing~, just 
> guesstimates. 


No guesstimate at all. The price is fixed in both Norway and Germany so we do know 
what the camera will cost for us.
In Norway it cost about 15% less than the EOS3. In Germany (according to Ralf) it cost 
between the EOS3 and the F100. 

Pål


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Re: Underexposing high speed print films

[bc]

On 18 Feb 2001, at 20:41, David A. Mann wrote:

> Here's something for all you "available dark" shooters.
> 
>  I'm going to be shooting a nighttime mountain biking event next Saturday 
> night.  It involves four bikers at a time going down a purpose-built course at 
> night, under floodlights.  No, I'm not going to enter and strap the 15mm to the 
> handlebars ;)
> 

Hey dave,

try NHGII at 3200 - used it on several occasions and it works quite 
well, I've only taken it up as high as 8 x 10 and it's not TOO grainy
(a bit).

hoping to post some samples as soon as I can get my F&$&#%@ 
cheap scanner operating...

Cheers!
Brian
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Re: Underexposing high speed print films

[Bill D. Casselberry]

 David wrote:
 
>  I have a lab in mind that will handle B&W and if I remember correctly they
> aren't terribly expensive for developing and 6x4 proofs.  If this option is
> useable I'll definitely go for the really fast B&W films (the guy in the shop
> recommended Neopan 1600, but they also sell Kodak and Ilford 3200), and if
> I'm lucky I might even be able to close the aperture a little ;)

sounds like a job for the 3200 Kodak TMax
"rate" it at whatever it takes to get a decent shutterspeed
 and process (push the time) as needed (by the box in TMax 
 developer works for me)  up to 12,800asa

keep aware of how the bright floods at the scene may affect
your meter response!


Bill

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