Tamaron 90mm 2.8 Macro

2001-05-07 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

Anyone have any experience/comments on the Tamaron 90mm 2.8 Macro?

I know, the Pentax 100 2.8 is a great lens, I just am looking for a good 1:1
macro lens to work with in a little lower price range.  I'm currently
working with the Pentax 100 3.5 and am feeling the need for speed.  Shall I
SAVE and wait for the Pentax lens or dive into a suitable sub (if there is
such a beast) for the instant gratification which spoils me.   :)

Any thoughts, advice, other lens suggestions or comments would be greatly
appreciated!

Have a great day,

Jeff Geilenkirchen
Elk Grove, CA

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RE: Sunny 16 Rule

2001-05-07 Thread David A. Mann

Kevin Thornsberry writes:

 Some rare shots just can't be metered.  That's when it pays to be a good guesser
 and a bracketer.

 Sometimes you don't even get the chance to bracket, particularly with a 
manual camera.

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: Sunny 16 Rule

2001-05-07 Thread David A. Mann

RK writes:

 I've messed up some very important landscape shots- I had to take them
 about just after noon in blazing sunlight and the resulting images are
 ghastly: burnt out highlights with deep shadows.

 If you've gone off the end of both your highlights and your shadows then 
there's not really a lot you can do with your exposure.  Typically on a sunny 
day you have to pick one: either you get highlight detail or you get shadow 
detail.

 IMO your best bet in this situation is to come back when the light is a bit 
better (partially or fully overcast days are great for reducing contrast but they 
can also make the picture look bland).

 You could also try a really low-contrast print film (a portrait film could work) 
but the paper used in printing doesn't tend to hold much contrast so it might 
not buy you a lot.  A good scan of a print film will reveal much more detail 
than any print, and you can soften it further in Photoshop to get as much 
detail as possible in your final print.

 You could also shoot BW film if that is an option.  You can tailor the 
exposure and processing to suit the contrast in your scene (you may have 
heard of Ansel Adams' zone system).

Cheers,


- Dave

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PUG Comments

2001-05-07 Thread Bruce Dayton

Having been out of town for the past several days when most of the commotion
was going on, I just needed to take a minute and make a comment.  PUG has
been a great experience for both of my daughters.  Erin, my 13 year old,
looks forward every month to both trying to take a good image and getting
feedback.  Obviously, strong or harsh criticism at her tender age would be
difficult to take.  But the list has been kind and instructive.  She has
turned it into a contest between herself and me to see who gets the most
(quantity) positive comments.  It seems that she beats me quite often.  No
matter, I come out feeling good either way.  Shel's comment on her image
this month was very well put and shows that he knows how and when to use
tact and when to push a person to improve.  Amber, my 11 year old, totally
shocked me when we went to the zoo.  She wanted to take pictures like her
sister and submit one to PUG.  I let her use a ZX-10 with a Tamron zoom set.
She knew how to basically operate the camera in program mode.  With no
coaching from me she came back with several really good images, considering
her age and experience.  She has been thrilled with the kind, positive
feedback that has been given for her Daydreamer image.  She now wants to
continue shooting and learning more - much to the chagrin of my
budget-minded wife.  I thought it would be good for the group to hear about
a different angle to the PUG - one of learning and inspiration for the
younger generation.  Many of us who have been around for a long time can
help teach and mentor some of these aspiring youths.

I seem to be rambling at this point.  I just wanted to thank the PUG and
commentor's on the great job and encouragement that have been given my kids.
I hope that the environment will continue to be one that we can all develop
and improve no matter what level we are at now.

Thanks,

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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PUG Comments for May

2001-05-07 Thread Bruce Dayton

At the Quay by  Thomas Cakalic - My very first impression when I looked at
this image and read the comments was one of pleasant surprise at the
reasonable image quality considering all the mediocre feedback about these
super-zooms.  Much better than I would have thought.  That said, let's look
more at the image.  I like the three different bands of color - brown, white
and black.  I am somewhat torn as to whether I like the windows showing or
not.  On one hand, they help give some sense of what I am viewing, but on
the other hand, if the image is about color, shape and pattern, then I find
it somewhat distracting.  I have tried cropping them out and it gives me a
better feeling as a more abstract image.  It also feels tilted to the left
just a little too far.  Just enough for me to notice.  I don't think it
should be perfectly straight up and down, though.  Ok, after playing a bit
more, cropping the windows out, rotating to the right about 2 degrees, I am
now seeing what Tom comments that caught his eye.  Certainly one could argue
that the windows add another shape, but I think it makes the image a little
to top heavy.


Tom, my guess is that I would have captured a very similar image to yours
had it caught my eye.  I'm not sure I would have even seen it, though.  Good
eye and observation!

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA



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Re: F 35-135/ 3.5-4.5 Macro

2001-05-07 Thread Bojidar Dimitrov

Hi,

 Okay... question to all the lens gurus out there. I am
 in need of a decent quality mid range zoom lens for
 little league portraits. Therefore I need something
 that can handle both team shots and indivuals. I had
 been using my A 50 (or M 28 depending on space) for
 the teams and a M 135 for individuals. With as many
 teams as we shoot in a day this is a little
 inconvienient. Optical quality is not extremely
 important since we rarely enlarge even to 8x10, but
 speed is since we are often shooting in less than
 ideal conditions and the boss hates dark backgrounds.

Maybe you want to invest in a second body, so that you can have one body
with the 28 and one body with the 50?

 Anyway, I found this lens on KEH for a reasonable
 amount, and was wondering if anyone has had any
 experience with this lens. The main thing I wonder is,
 is it better than the new Sigma 28-105/2.8-4? While
 awaiting my new flash (which broke the other day,
 rememeber) I shot with my bosses N90s with this lens
 (sigma) it seems like a decent lens but I'd like to
 stay away from Sigma; however, the speed of this lens
 is very attractive. Also the 35-135 macro could serve
 me more purposes than simply little league portraits.
 So please any comments you have as to my little dilema
 are greatly appreciated.

I have no experience with either lens.  But I've heard horible things about
the optical qualities of this particular Sigma lens.  On the other hand,
the quality of the F-zooms has been extremely high and their build also
very solid.

I think that you can get the Pentax zoom with confidence that it is the
better lens.  But think seriously about the idea with two cameras too.

Cheers,
Boz

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I bought an MX

2001-05-07 Thread Paul



A couple of weeks ago I posted a request for tips 
on what to look for when buying an MX. Thank you to all those who offered 
tips.

I am now the proud owner of a very nice MX with 
SMC-M 1.4f. It is a lovely bit of kit, as soon as I pointed out the camera 
in the pre-owned section the salesman commented - "They don't make them like 
they used to". I really couldn't agree more. It feels so solid and 
the sound of the shutter is just superb. I cannot wait to run a film 
through it and see if the lens is really as good as people say. I will 
take a look at the next couple of PUG themes and see if I can take a picture 
with the MX for it.

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on actually 
using the MX as I didn't receive an instruction booklet. 

Thanks again for the tips and long live 
Manual.

Paul


Re: SMC Pentax 135/2.5 Telephoto Lens

2001-05-07 Thread Daphne

and so do I :-(((

Daphne

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Re[2]: Sunny 16 Rule

2001-05-07 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

thanks Tom. It seems that I didn't know about this because I've been
shooting slides and using an incident meter for so long.

---

 Bob  

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Monday, May 07, 2001, 12:21:21 AM, you wrote:

 Hi Bob:

 The Sunny-16 rule came about long and long ago, before the
 manufactures removed the the safety factor of about one stop
 that they used in rating the films.  That is, film went from
 200ASA to 400ASA without any change in the emulsion.  This
 happened back in the late fifties. For best results you need
 to put that one stop back into the film rating. Thus you
 need to use 1/2 the ASA, or Sunny-11 to get the same results
 as you did back then.

 If you look in something like the film guide book Focal
 Press publishes, you will note most negative films have a
 one stop underexposure rating and a two stop overexposure
 rating. Using the sunny 16 rule your are several times more
 likely to underexpose than over expose.  Also the brightest
 sunlight is seldom more than one stop brighter than the
 Sunny 16 predicts, so you only get -in the worst case- one
 stop overexposure, but can get several stops underexposure
 using the Sunny-16 rule.

 That said many modern color negative films have a very wide
 exposure latitude so can take several stops overexposure,
 but most only take one or two stops of underexposure so it
 may be better to shift the exposure a couple of stops with
 film like Kodak MAX. That is, rate it at 200 instead or 800.

 These changes did not apply to slide film because it did not
 have the latitude to allow it, so the Sunny-16 rule still
 applies to it. Though in truth I have underexposed more
 slides than I have overexposed, so I tend to use Sunny-11
 there also. But, I usually use an incident meter and that is
 far more accurate than any rule of thumb.

 In the case of the original poster, he should check and see
 if his problem is not the lab rather than exposure before he
 does anything else.
 --Tom


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another mint SMC 24mm f3.5 on ebay,

2001-05-07 Thread Daphne

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1236096680

no BIN. this is one great lens!

Daphne

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KLD: 135/2,5 (SMC, 58 mm filter)

2001-05-07 Thread Bojidar Dimitrov

Hi

I am collecting opinions of the following lens.  I will summarize the
answers in the appropriate page of the KMP.

SMC 135/2.5 (the SMC lens with 58 mm filter thread, not the Takumar)
===

What is your opinion of this lens?  Is it any good?  What do you
use it for?  What do you like about it?  How well built is it?
How is the handling (weight, size, etc.)?

How about optical qualities: resolution, contrast, color, distortion,
bokeh, light fall-off, etc.?

Can you make a better picture of it than the one that I already have on
the KMP?  Is there any piece of information about this lens that I am
missing that you can provide?

Please post your answers to the PDML.  TIA,
Boz

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Screwmount Mania

2001-05-07 Thread Bob Poe

I bid on this lens, but the collectors beat me up!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1234177762r=0t=0showTutorial=0ed=989187664indexURL=0rd=1

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Re: I bought an MX

2001-05-07 Thread Cotty

Hi Paul,

Congratulations! You now hold what I consider to be the real hidden 
secret of the Pentax world. While all and sundry rave about the LX, we 
MXers quietly get on and shoot some wicked stuff with our 'real' 
workhorses.

The MX is very small, and if you've got big mits like me, you'll need 
some dexterity with things like Depth of Field Preview (which personally 
I think is a load of old cobblers anyway but let's not get into that 
right now...) - that's where you push the self-timer lever in the 
opposite direction. You'll notice that if you switch the meter on by 
depressing the shutter button part-way, and leave the wind-on mechanism 
out so it's in the stand-off position, away from the camera, the meter 
will stay on continuously - hence always leave the wind-on pushed in 
tight to the body when you've finished shooting, and then the shutter 
button will pop up completely and the meter will switch off.

Unless you want to travel really light (my ideal would be an MX with a 
35mm lens - hate the 43mm pancake...), then a great addition is a Winder 
MX. Not the same as the winders for the other auto 'M' cameras, it takes 
4 AAs, and will do 2 FPS and gives a great purchase for your right hand. 
They're pretty foolproof but watch out for weak or broken battery-doors - 
the integrated nut can disintegrate as the thumbwheel bolt is tightened.

Not designed this way, nevertheless the MX's mirror can be locked up by 
winding on the shutter, then 'flipping' you finger across the top of the 
shutter release, sharply. This causes the mirror to pop up and hold, but 
the shutter curtains haven't yet released. The final press on the release 
then let's the curtains go. It takes practice.

Don't forget the interchangeable screens - I personally hate the supplied 
SC-1 (microprism collar surrounding split screen), and have the SA-1 in 
both my MXs. This is ground glass with just the microprism centre.

You can run any K mount lens on your MX - one of mine has a Tokina 28-70 
attached, which is an autofocus lens. I use it manually no problems at 
all.

Watch out for worn foam around the focussing screen and the film door. 
Try and store it shutter fired (not in the cocked position) when not in 
use for extended periods - otherwise undue strain is placed on the 
springs and mechanism as it's all tensioned up ready for shooting.

Let the LXers huff and puff about sticky this, and luggy that, get out 
there with that little gem and you'll get some cracking shots - even if 
your batteries run down - full service maintained at any speed!

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: Screwmount Mania

2001-05-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Don't feel too bad, Bob.  Intensive independent tests have shown
that this lens is grossly overrated.

Bob Poe wrote:
 
 I bid on this lens, but the collectors beat me up!
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1234177762r=0t=0showTutorial=0ed=989187664indexURL=0rd=1

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Re: FA 24-90mm lens in stock @ BH

2001-05-07 Thread Todd Stanley


I noticed that too, and the case is for Pentax 67 lenses too, which would
be way too big, I would think.  I was also checking out the FA 28-70mm F4
(which is quite a compact lens I hear) and they recommend the case that
fits the 120mm F4, 150mm F2.8 for the 645 and 75mm shift for the 67 for
$70.  Whats up with that?

Todd

At 01:58 PM 5/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
Todd Stanley wrote:
 

http://www01.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivat

or__Aproductlist_html___222155___PE249035FA___REG___CatID=274___SID=E68467F2
 610
 
 $499
 In case anyone is interested.

I note that it comes with a hood and caps, but no case. Case recommended
is a Pentax soft case for $60!

Bob Harris
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Re: Screwmount Mania

2001-05-07 Thread Rofini

Hi Bob,

Maybe K Mount Mania. With the 52mm filter size, this would be
the K mount version.

Mark Rofini

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Subject: Screwmount Mania


I bid on this lens, but the collectors beat me up!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=12341777
62r=0t=0showTutorial=0ed=989187664indexURL=0rd=1

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Re: The Jewel (May PUG)

2001-05-07 Thread Flavio Minelli

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 ...
 
 I agree with the high praise this shot is receiving.  When I stared into
 my cup of black coffee this morning and saw a few bubbles where
 Gianfranco had found jewels, I knew what the difference is between a
 hack like me and a real photographer!
 ...

...and between italian coffee and that thing you call american coffee
or whatever...;-).

Flavio, who never drank any of both...


PS Gianfranco's shot is really amazing for me to. My first thought
looking at the photo was that when you're a photographer inside you're
never off your job.

F
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Re: PUG wars until you beg for a mercy killing

2001-05-07 Thread aimcompute

I agree with that.  Except this month I think I have learned that the
silence probably was due to the shock of my crummy submission.

Tom C.

Shel wrote:

Well, maybe, but that's only an assumption. Perhaps the photo was
well liked by several people, but they just didn't comment.  You
can't learn anything from silence.


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Re: PUG Comments for May

2001-05-07 Thread aimcompute

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your comments.  I agree with the crop suggestion.  I liked the
complication by having the top windows included but I definitely agree that
I find the simpler image more pleasing and wish I would have considered a
crop before sending it. As I look again after your comments, I would
probably crop out the left most porthole and a quarter inch on the right.
Yeah, this photograph stinks as taken.

It's possible I was a little cockeyed when I took the picture, but the lines
of the boat ran as seen with a low stern and a high bow, and it was bobbing
on the water as well, with the bow facing the incoming tide.  The bottom is
actually a very dark blue.

In the end I don't know why I chose this image, had second thoughts
immediately upon sending it, and had totally forgotten the one I had
originally intended to use.

Thanks,

Tom


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From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:33 AM
Subject: PUG Comments for May


 At the Quay by  Thomas Cakalic - My very first impression when I looked
at
 this image and read the comments was one of pleasant surprise at the
 reasonable image quality considering all the mediocre feedback about these
 super-zooms.  Much better than I would have thought.  That said, let's
look
 more at the image.  I like the three different bands of color - brown,
white
 and black.  I am somewhat torn as to whether I like the windows showing or
 not.  On one hand, they help give some sense of what I am viewing, but on
 the other hand, if the image is about color, shape and pattern, then I
find
 it somewhat distracting.  I have tried cropping them out and it gives me a
 better feeling as a more abstract image.  It also feels tilted to the left
 just a little too far.  Just enough for me to notice.  I don't think it
 should be perfectly straight up and down, though.  Ok, after playing a bit
 more, cropping the windows out, rotating to the right about 2 degrees, I
am
 now seeing what Tom comments that caught his eye.  Certainly one could
argue
 that the windows add another shape, but I think it makes the image a
little
 to top heavy.


 Tom, my guess is that I would have captured a very similar image to yours
 had it caught my eye.  I'm not sure I would have even seen it, though.
Good
 eye and observation!

 Bruce Dayton
 Sacramento, CA


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PUG Commentary - Norn Baugher's Serenity

2001-05-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I've looked at this photo several times and have come away with
mixed feelings about it.  First, the horizontal, parallel lines of
the fence, the shore, the waves, and the shadow of the tree create a
very nice, tranquil feeling.  The choice of the 105mm focal length
was just about perfect.  Any longer and the compression would have
upset the balance, wider would have skewed the scene completely into
something else.

What bothers me is the tree branch in the upper right corner.  Upon
some viewings I see it as a nice framing element, other times it
strikes me as a distraction.  Strange that each time I look at the
photo I get a somewhat different feeling.  I did a real quick and
dirty crop and removed the branches, and I'm still not sure which I
prefer.

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/seabeach2.jpg

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PUG Commentary - Norn Baugher's Serenity

2001-05-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I've looked at this photo several times and have come away with
mixed feelings about it.  First, the horizontal, parallel lines of
the fence, the shore, the waves, and the shadow of the tree create a
very nice, tranquil feeling.  The choice of the 105mm focal length
was just about perfect.  Any longer and the compression would have
upset the balance, wider would have skewed the scene completely into
something else.

What bothers me is the tree branch in the upper right corner.  Upon
some viewings I see it as a nice framing element, other times it
strikes me as a distraction.  Strange that each time I look at the
photo I get a somewhat different feeling.  I did a real quick and
dirty crop and removed the branches, and I'm still not sure which I
prefer.

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/seabeach2.jpg

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Pentax-spotting

2001-05-07 Thread Jörgen Blomgren

Hello Pentax-fans,

I could not help noticing a Pentax-user in the swedish nature-show
Mitt i naturen-Film there was a short (.5 hour) documentary
from and about the swedish nature-filmer and photographer
Mattias Klum. It described his reportage about asiatic lions in
India, and he used a couple of Z-1P's with at least two BIG
FA* lenses, as I am not used to seeing these lenses I can not
tell which ones, but I think I could spot a figure of 600 on the
side of one of the lenses.

The intresting part is that they mentioned that the next
issue of National Geographic (June?) will feature this reportage
in 16 pages ! The photographs in this must have been taken with
Pentaxes !

I do not care much if Pentax is a pro-camera, but it makes me
feel good seeing an *excellent* photographer using the brand
I choose.

The reason I mention this on the list, is because I think there
was a short discussion about Mattias Klum a while ago, if he
used Pentax or not.

PLEASE do not start a flame-war about brands, I do not want to
read 100 e-mails a day about the pros and cons of this and that
brand.

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Feedback for my USA-travel gallery site

2001-05-07 Thread Jan van Wijk

Hi group,

I spent most of last week scanning negatives and updating my web-site that
now covers 3 years of travel to the southwest of the USA.

I put some effort in navigation, using scanned road-maps that you can click to
get to the photographs for the area.

I would like some feedback on how you like this site and its navigation ...

Consider:
- It is not a real best-of type of gallery, there are very good images there, but 
also
  more documentary ones.
- there are currently over 200 photos, so it is LARGE (average image is 35Kb) 
  the initial navigation map is about 35Kb too.
- The travel-years 1996 and 1995 are still under construction (and 2001 will be added 
later :-)

You can find this travel gallery at:

http://www.fsys.demon.nl/gallery/usa-sw/

Some navigation tips are on the opening page ...

TIA for any comments.

Regards, JvW

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Re: Screwmount Mania

2001-05-07 Thread Bob Poe

Right you are...I should have looked more carefully at
the focus barrel...Bob
--- Rofini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Bob,
 
 Maybe K Mount Mania. With the 52mm filter size, this
 would be
 the K mount version.
 
 Mark Rofini
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:02 AM
 Subject: Screwmount Mania
 
 
 I bid on this lens, but the collectors beat me up!

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Re: Screwmount Mania

2001-05-07 Thread Gerald F. Cermak

This lens is K mount.  What's with the message title?

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 I bid on this lens, but the collectors beat me up!

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Re: I bought an MX

2001-05-07 Thread admin

BTW Paul,

You can download the owner's manual and the service manual for the MX at
http://www.robertstech.com/pentax.htm




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Re: FA 24-90mm lens in stock @ BH

2001-05-07 Thread Robert Harris

It must be that, despite the recommended cases being way too big for the
lenses, those are the only ones they have in stock and they want to sell
us something. The recommendations must have been developed by an
ambitious marketing person rather than someone who has actually had
his/her hands on the lenses. 

Bob Harris


Todd Stanley wrote:
 
 I noticed that too, and the case is for Pentax 67 lenses too, which would
 be way too big, I would think.  I was also checking out the FA 28-70mm F4
 (which is quite a compact lens I hear) and they recommend the case that
 fits the 120mm F4, 150mm F2.8 for the 645 and 75mm shift for the 67 for
 $70.  Whats up with that?
 
 Todd
 
 At 01:58 PM 5/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
 Todd Stanley wrote:
 
 
 http://www01.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivat
 
 or__Aproductlist_html___222155___PE249035FA___REG___CatID=274___SID=E68467F2
  610
 
  $499
  In case anyone is interested.
 
 I note that it comes with a hood and caps, but no case. Case recommended
 is a Pentax soft case for $60!
 
 Bob Harris
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Re: FA 24-90mm lens in stock @ BH

2001-05-07 Thread Gerald F. Cermak

I've noticed Pentax has gone away from unique marked cases for each lens,
and replaced them with cases measured in diameter and length.  The S70-70
for instance in 70mm in diameter (internal) by 70 mm in depth.  This
basically fits the 50mm lenses, the TCs, and possibly a few others.  With
the 24-90, it has a 67mm filter, making it somewhat bigger than most
consumer zooms, and hence needing a larger case.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: FA 24-90mm lens in stock @ BH



 I noticed that too, and the case is for Pentax 67 lenses too, which would
 be way too big, I would think.  I was also checking out the FA 28-70mm F4
 (which is quite a compact lens I hear) and they recommend the case that
 fits the 120mm F4, 150mm F2.8 for the 645 and 75mm shift for the 67 for
 $70.  Whats up with that?

 Todd

 At 01:58 PM 5/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
 Todd Stanley wrote:
 
 

http://www01.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivat
 

or__Aproductlist_html___222155___PE249035FA___REG___CatID=274___SID=E68467F2
  610
 
  $499
  In case anyone is interested.
 
 I note that it comes with a hood and caps, but no case. Case recommended
 is a Pentax soft case for $60!
 
 Bob Harris
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Re: Aurora Pictures of April 17

2001-05-07 Thread aimcompute

HI Steve.

Your right.  In my images, at the size you've seen, the stars look pretty
much like points.  If I blow it up in Photoshop I can see that they're
actually short trails.

This tells me if I had actually had my aperture at 1.9 instead of 2.8 I
could have gotten the same aurora exposure with much less visible trailing
in about a 20 sec exposure/ maybe down to around 15 sec. if I used an f1.4.

Tom C.



Steve Sharpe writes:

 It's all trade offs. The longer exposures will show more stars, but
 they will be trailed due to the Earth's rotation. The aurora will
 appear brighter and more colourful as well, but if it is an active
 one with a lot of movement then the detail will be smeared.
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Time exposures on the MZ-7...Re: New Pentax Owner

2001-05-07 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: Daniel Suarez 
Subject: New Pentax Owner



 My experimenting with the camera and its various features has
lead me to
 timed exposures.
 The manual explains how to do it. It said to put the camera in
manual mode
 and press the button for as long as you want the exposure for.
But, I am
 obviously missing something since this is not working.

Put the camera in manual mode, and set the shutter speed to B.
The shutter will then be held open for as long as the shutter
button is depressed. This is best done with the camera on a
tripod and using a remote release, as otherwise you will get
camera movement.
William Robb


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Re: KLD: 135/2,5 (SMC, 58 mm filter)

2001-05-07 Thread Arnold Stark

 SMC 135/2.5 (the SMC lens with 58 mm filter thread, not the Takumar)
 What is your opinion of this lens?  Is it any good?

Mechanically superb and a pure joy, optically very good but not superb

 What do you use it for?

Portraits, snapshots, details, low light

 What do you like about it?  How well built is it? How is the handling
 (weight, size, etc.)?

As I said: The mechanical quality is superb and pure joy. The focal length
is one of my favourite ones, and the lens is fast enough for easy focusing
and low light shooting. It is much heavier than the M135/f3.5 but makes a
better combination with the LX. On an M camera, however, the M lens feels
better...

 How about optical qualities: resolution,

Resolution is good but not better than that of the M135/f3.5, and the
FA135/f2.8 seems to be slightly ahead of them both.

 contrast, color, distortion,

No complaints here at all

 bokeh,

Here the lens is at the (high) Pentax standard, neither below, nor above.
As one would expect from a 135mm lens, the background is very nicely
blurred if it is far away, however, sometimes narrow lines like thin
branches double noticeably, especially if they are closer than the main
object... The FA77 is better for sure...

However, lenses can be much worse. I just tried a MF Tokina 400/f5.6 at a
local camera store. Absolutely shocking bokeh. Not just double images but
triple, quadruple... as if the lens had a special effect filter attached...

 light fall-off,

A little bit, as one would expect

 Can you make a better picture of it than the one that I already have on
 the KMP?

No.

 Is there any piece of information about this lens that I am missing that
 you can provide?

This is a keeper...

Arnold

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OT: FS flash camera

2001-05-07 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

#1 Vivitar 285  (not the HV)
In great shape.  Works well.
With manual and wide-angle adapter.
$75

#2 GAF L-CM body (screw mount) with
Case
Manual
Fresh Battery
GAF 50/1.9 lens
Rokunar 135/2.5 lens
Auto extension tube set

Really clean body.  Meter works properly.

$60

Add $5 for shipping in the US.

Collin

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Re: PUG Commentary - Norn Baugher's Serenity

2001-05-07 Thread Norm Baugher

I checked it out Shel, I'm still not sure which I prefer. That was my
big question with the photo. I would imagine a complete reframing would
have yielded a better result (all though the other ones I have didn't do
it for me). Thanks for the comments.
Norm
P.S. it was a 105mm on a 6x7...

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 I've looked at this photo several times and have come away with
 mixed feelings about it.  First, the horizontal, parallel lines of
 the fence, the shore, the waves, and the shadow of the tree create a
 very nice, tranquil feeling.  The choice of the 105mm focal length
 was just about perfect.  Any longer and the compression would have
 upset the balance, wider would have skewed the scene completely into
 something else.

 What bothers me is the tree branch in the upper right corner.  Upon
 some viewings I see it as a nice framing element, other times it
 strikes me as a distraction.  Strange that each time I look at the
 photo I get a somewhat different feeling.  I did a real quick and
 dirty crop and removed the branches, and I'm still not sure which I
 prefer.

 http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/seabeach2.jpg

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Re: I bought an MX

2001-05-07 Thread Buford Terrell

At 06:57 AM 05/07/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Threading the film leader can be a problem.  I always bent a hook on the
end, insert into the magic fingers then used my thumb to run the take-up
until I knew it was locked in place.  IF you don't you might get 40 or 50
shots on your 24 exposure roll. GRIN

Always watch the rewind knob while you are advancing past the film leader.
If the rewind doesn't turn when you advance the film, then you
didn't get those damn' magic fingers threaded properly and you
have to do it again.  I nearly always advance until I have about a
wrap and a half around the takeup spool before I shut the camera back.

- Original Message -
From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:10 AM
Subject: I bought an MX


A couple of weeks ago I posted a request for tips on what to look for when
buying an MX.  Thank you to all those who offered tips.

I am now the proud owner of a very nice MX with SMC-M 1.4f.  It is a lovely
bit of kit, as soon as I pointed out the camera in the pre-owned section the
salesman commented - They don't make them like they used to.  I really
couldn't agree more.  It feels so solid and the sound of the shutter is just
superb.  I cannot wait to run a film through it and see if the lens is
really as good as people say.  I will take a look at the next couple of PUG
themes and see if I can take a picture with the MX for it.

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on actually using the MX as I didn't
receive an instruction booklet.

Thanks again for the tips and long live Manual.

Paul


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OT: Re: The Effects of Drugs Prostitution

2001-05-07 Thread Buford Terrell

At 07:30 AM 05/07/2001 -0700, you wrote:
Luis Pinar wrote:
 
 What's the point? Were they taken with Pentax equipment?

See Treena's comment below:

   These photos are both disturbing and heartbreaking 
   at the same time. I referred this website to my 
   husband, who believes it could be a great help
   in the anti-drug education classes he teaches at 
   the school. Thanks for the link.

Just another point of view.

My feeling is this: drugs and the problems associated with drugs
have taken an immeasurable toll on society as a whole, and on many
countless millions of individuals.  Perhaps these photos can in some
way help one or two people by putting the potential ravages of drug
use into some perspective.  That, Luis, is the point!
-- 
Shel Belinkoff

I first sent this reply privately to Shel, but I think it needs repeating
here.
These pictures are a propaganda scam designed to pull your
heartstrings, not convince your head.  What I told Shel was:

   Thanks for pointing out this dramatic and moving site.
I teach Controlled Substances Law and have been active
in working on the drug laws for several years.  I'm
sure I will be using this essay for some purposes.

  However, it's probably best as an example of how
photography can be used to lie.  Compare some of the
later pictures in the series to, for instance, Dorothy Lange's
Okie mother;  what you are seeing is the effects of poverty
and life on the street; not the effects of drugs or
prostitution either.  A woman's sad life is being callously
used by the police department for propaganda purposes.

Incorporating pictures like this in a drug education course
would be a real disservice to the students, who need facts,
not hysteria.

I HOPE a Pentax was not used for this kind of misrepresentation.

Buford C. Terrell
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RE: Sunny 16 Rule

2001-05-07 Thread Patrick White


RK,
Aside from the recommendations others have made, here's a few more
off-the-wall suggestions that might help...

You might consider flashing the film to obtain more details in the shadow
areas.  It might not help much though given the contrast range, but is worth
an experiment.
Also, I've noticed that Kodak film (what I mostly shoot) developed and
printed with Fuji supplies tend to be more contrasty than Kodak film
developed and printed on Kodak supplies -- specifically, the shadows areas
loose detail and go cmopletely black way too quickly.  Therefore, you might
try and experiment of matching film brands with processing if you are not
already doing so (or how about a mismatch if you are arealdy doing so?).

help that helps,
Patrick White ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED])


I've messed up some very important landscape shots- I had to take them
about just after noon in blazing sunlight and the resulting images are
ghastly: burnt out highlights with deep shadows.
I showed them to a pro and he recommended I use the Sunny 16 rule
whenever I take photos in bright sunshine- i.e., I ignore the CW meter
reading.
Is this good advice? I shoot print film and my usual outfit for outdoor
shots would be a MZ5+17mm Tokina

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Re: KMP web access statistics

2001-05-07 Thread Dan Scott

Half of those are probably mine. My daily routine is to check E-bay, then
KEH, Then the KMP, then BOA's lens review.then finally the
checkbookand nothing happens after that.

brent

Brent, consider visiting the checkbook first. g

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Re: OT: Re: The Effects of Drugs Prostitution

2001-05-07 Thread Norm Baugher

Interesting Buford, thanks for the insight.
Norm

Buford Terrell wrote:

 At 07:30 AM 05/07/2001 -0700, you wrote:
 Luis Pinar wrote:
 
  What's the point? Were they taken with Pentax equipment?
 
 See Treena's comment below:
 
These photos are both disturbing and heartbreaking
at the same time. I referred this website to my
husband, who believes it could be a great help
in the anti-drug education classes he teaches at
the school. Thanks for the link.
 
 Just another point of view.
 
 My feeling is this: drugs and the problems associated with drugs
 have taken an immeasurable toll on society as a whole, and on many
 countless millions of individuals.  Perhaps these photos can in some
 way help one or two people by putting the potential ravages of drug
 use into some perspective.  That, Luis, is the point!
 --
 Shel Belinkoff

 I first sent this reply privately to Shel, but I think it needs repeating
 here.
 These pictures are a propaganda scam designed to pull your
 heartstrings, not convince your head.  What I told Shel was:

Thanks for pointing out this dramatic and moving site.
 I teach Controlled Substances Law and have been active
 in working on the drug laws for several years.  I'm
 sure I will be using this essay for some purposes.

   However, it's probably best as an example of how
 photography can be used to lie.  Compare some of the
 later pictures in the series to, for instance, Dorothy Lange's
 Okie mother;  what you are seeing is the effects of poverty
 and life on the street; not the effects of drugs or
 prostitution either.  A woman's sad life is being callously
 used by the police department for propaganda purposes.

 Incorporating pictures like this in a drug education course
 would be a real disservice to the students, who need facts,
 not hysteria.

 I HOPE a Pentax was not used for this kind of misrepresentation.

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RE: Tamron 90mm 2.8 Macro

2001-05-07 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

I have this lens, K mount AF. I love it, it's on my camera a lot of the
time, not only for macro!
Comes with a hood, and the focus range can be locked to a range either macro
or non macro.
In general AF is not useful in macro, but it is nice to have when using the
lens in non macro situations.
I can't compare it to the Pentax offerings on 100mm macro, however I feel no
need to replace it.

Frits

 Anyone have any experience/comments on the Tamron 90mm 2.8 Macro?

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Re: New Pentax Owner

2001-05-07 Thread Mike Steele

Hi Daniel,
Welcome to the list!  Before you go out and spend gobs
and gobs of money on a 200mm or 400mm lens make sure
that the venue you want to use it on will allow you
to use it there!  I recently went to a Detroit Red
Wings hockey game and was telling my boss that I was
going to take a big telephoto lens to get some
close-ups.  He tipped me off that the NHL prohibits
long lenses (apparently so does Major League
Baseball). I went taking my Pentax Spotmatic and a
55mm Takumar lens and they still didn't want to let me
in...saying nothing longer than 54mm!!! (They
relentedbut check it out first!) I'm sure amateur
and minor league events don't have this
prohibitionI can only guess that they want you to
buy souvenir posters, rather than take your own
quality photos! Welcome again! Mike Steele
--- Daniel Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello list!
 
 This will be my first posting to the group. I am
 also new to Pentax. Just on
 Thursday I received my new Pentax MZ-7 with 35-80mm
 FA Lens. I've already
 gone through 3 rolls of 36 exposures. I am very
 happy with it. 
 
 My experimenting with the camera and its various
 features has lead me to
 timed exposures. I've been trying to practice on a
 waterfall near my work
 place but I can't figure it out. Is anyone familiar
 with the camera? I am
 not using a remote to minimize camera movement for
 the timed exposure as
 recommended since I've yet to purchase one (this is
 next on the list - along
 with a tri-pod). 
 
 The manual explains how to do it. It said to put the
 camera in manual mode
 and press the button for as long as you want the
 exposure for. But, I am
 obviously missing something since this is not
 working.
 
 I'm also thinking of purchasing a larger lens. I am
 thinking either maxing
 at 200 or 400mm. Not sure. I'd like to shoot sports
 events (baseball,
 hockey, soccer) and I am not usually near the
 action. I'm thinking I should
 go for the 400mm lens. All I now is that I am
 getting a fish eye lens. I
 love those effects/shots.
 
C. Daniel Suarez 
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 Wishbone Systems, Inc. 
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 201.541.6583 
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MZ-7 time exposure?

2001-05-07 Thread helen davis

Daniel,
I'm sure you'll be receiving explicit answers to your
question, but let me offer this in the meantime.
I don't have access to that particular camera and I'm
only guessing, but check the mode selector for a B.
This is the retro symbol for timed exposure when the
air bulb was the commonly used remote shutter
release. Still available if you shop a bit. 
You are, of course, right to acquire a substantial
tripod and a remote shutter release.
The water fall ribbon effect may not require the
exposure time are perhaps assuming. I've used 100ISO
film (and slower) almost exclusively, which lends
itself to such work. 
I have stacked 2 polarizing filters a couple times and
used an AE camera setting. Work with the polarizing
angle of each filter until the scene is substantially
darkened. Check meter for its reaction and if the
meter has no objection, bracket a few frames and plan
on some interesting images.
Enjoy!

Jack 
  

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RE: The Effects of Drugs Prostitution

2001-05-07 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

In that case it is OT.

Frits

 Luis Pinar wrote:
  
  What's the point? Were they taken with Pentax equipment?
 
 See Treena's comment below:
 
   These photos are both disturbing and heartbreaking 
   at the same time. I referred this website to my 
   husband, who believes it could be a great help
   in the anti-drug education classes he teaches at 
   the school. Thanks for the link.
 
 Just another point of view.
 
 My feeling is this: drugs and the problems associated with drugs
 have taken an immeasurable toll on society as a whole, and on many
 countless millions of individuals.  Perhaps these photos can in some
 way help one or two people by putting the potential ravages of drug
 use into some perspective.  That, Luis, is the point!
 -- 
 Shel Belinkoff

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unusual PUG comment: Brian Campbell

2001-05-07 Thread Yves Caudano

 Copper Seas  by  Brian Campbell, Canada

Really nice picture! When I first saw it I must say that I was 
really, really surprised. Just have a look at the address below 
and you'll know why... 

http://www.scf.fundp.ac.be/~ycaudano/these/yc1112d000621-c2.jpg

Rather funny, isn't it ?

Yves


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Re: May PUG Comments

2001-05-07 Thread Bruce Dayton

Tom,

Thanks for noticing.  I was beginning to think I would have to interpret
silence as meaning that no one cared for the image.  As I was narrowing the
choice down, I would shrink the images to PUG size and had to throw many out
that just didn't show well enough at that small size.  This one was
questionable, but 4 or 5 people all picked it as the best of the bunch.
Early morning is *the* time to be there.  The lighting is magical and gives
an effect that can be achieved no other way.

Thanks again,

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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 The shots that really got my eye this month:
snip

 GRAND PRIZE WINNER:

  Bryce II  by  Bruce Dayton
 A masterpiece Bruce.  Worthy of any coffee table book on Utah.  I like the
 way you've handled the tree on the left.  The whole thing has such a
 realistic feel to it and I am instantly transported there.  My favorite
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Re: OT : The Effects of Drugs Prostitution

2001-05-07 Thread Robert Harris

This must be Let's-dump-on-Shel week. He does not need a defense from
me, but I am amused at the tenor of some of the comments in this thread.
So I will add a couple of my reactions to the reactions.

1) Is the series of photos he pointed to OT? Yes, I suppose it is in the
narrowest sense, since it does not deal with Pentax equipment. If that
criteria were accepted by all we sure could cut down on the number of
messages that pass through here daily. But in the past when I and others
have complained about the amount of off-topic nonsense that appears on
the list, we have been outshouted by those who feel that list members
should not be constrained to discussing only Pentax equipment-related
matters, but should be permitted to discuss or raise questions about
general photography topics, discussions of technique, non-Pentax tools
needed to use our Pentax gear to best advantage, etc., (while perhaps
eliminating politics, religion, the weather, and other completely
non-photographic stuff.) 

And we have many threads dealing with non-Pentax matters, but dealing
with photographic things of possible interest to many Pentax users.
There are frequent discussions on lighting, characteristics of different
films and developers, film latitude, how best to deal with extremely
contrasty scenes, how best to scan images, enlargers, tripods, tripod
heads, how neat it is to do photography of various nighttime sky scenes
and how best to do it and when, and more. Lots of those topics are
interesting, although not to all of us all of the time, and as often as
not they are not labeled OT without generating much in the way of
complaint.

So what is the big deal about this series of photos?  Lots of
interesting work has been done using a similar technique -- the same
subject photographed at widely varying times. I have seen interesting
series' of shots of the same tree in different seasons, of the same
geographic features over time -- a while back someone did a project
rephotographing many of the early (19th century) scenes of the American
West, placing cameras in the same position, etc., to show what has
happened to the spots over a long time period. 

I wonder if Shel would have gotten the same reaction had he said, Here
is an interesting example of showing intertemporal changes with
photography. That could, I think, properly be considered a sort of
photo technique topic. 

I note that The 19th century Russian photos that Shel pointed us to a
week or so ago was equally OT. It showed some interesting technique and
the photos were good, but it did not relate directly to Pentax
equipment, and it did not get any complaints. Seems to be the reference
to prostitution and drugs that bothers people. 

2) Interpreting this series as showing how photos can lie because the
cops labeled the series, The Effects of Drugs and Prostitution strikes
me as making a strong assertion without proof. (Perhaps based in part on
anti-police bias?)  True, the cops have not presented evidence that the
physical changes visible in the photos are caused by drugs and
prostitution, but neither has any evidence been presented that it was
not so caused, that it was caused by something else. Where is the
evidence to support the claim that those changes are caused instead by
life on the street and poverty?  What has been the woman's income over
this period, her living conditions, etc.? Those things are not stated
anywhere. So both assertions of causation are just that -- assertions,
without proof. (I do not consider a reference to Dorothea Lange's
depression work as proof of anything, and I do not see much of a
parallel anyway.) 

In fact, it is likely that the physical changes were caused by all of
those factors -- drugs, prostitution, life on the street and poverty
often go together and long-time heavy drug users who are poor and live
on the street do tend to deteriorate physically pretty fast.  It also is
possible that the poverty and living on the street were caused by heavy
drug use (which I assume is what the cops believe), although that cannot
be stated with certainty since poverty and lousy conditions of life also
can lead to drug use.

So, to flatly state that These pictures are a propaganda scam designed
to pull your heartstrings, not convince your head may be true but it
also may not be true.  That statement is not something that should be
taken as fact without evidence. The cops may be right.

And I also note, in my role as Shel's defender, that he did not hang the
possibly inaccurate label on the series, the cops did. Nor did he refer
to the series using that label. He simply said: This is a link to a
series of arrest photographs of the same individual over the course of
10 years. She was about 31~32 years old at the time of the first photo. 
It's not a pleasant series of photos. I believe that is absolutely
correct on all points.

Bob Harris
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Re: The Jewel (May PUG)

2001-05-07 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

Flavio Minelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 PS Gianfranco's shot is really amazing for me to. My first thought
 looking at the photo was that when you're a photographer inside you're
 never off your job.
 
 F

Hi Flavio,
Thanks indeed.
You are right, I feel like I'm never off photography. But more than a job I
consider it a true passion, if not an obsession (that's the passion seen by
the 'others'...) :-)

Ciao,

Gianfranco


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Re: New Pentax Owner

2001-05-07 Thread Artur Ledóchowski

- Original Message -
From: Daniel Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Pentax Owner


 Hello list!

 This will be my first posting to the group. I am also new to Pentax. Just
on
 Thursday I received my new Pentax MZ-7 with 35-80mm FA Lens. I've already
 gone through 3 rolls of 36 exposures. I am very happy with it.

Hello from another MZ-7 user:))
Just remember it sometimes tends to overexpose a bit :)


 My experimenting with the camera and its various features has lead me to
 timed exposures. I've been trying to practice on a waterfall near my work
 place but I can't figure it out. Is anyone familiar with the camera? I am
 not using a remote to minimize camera movement for the timed exposure as
 recommended since I've yet to purchase one (this is next on the list -
along
 with a tri-pod).

Instead of using the remote control you can use timer (as I do:)) or buy a
release cord...
Having a tripod is a must, anyway...


 The manual explains how to do it. It said to put the camera in manual mode
 and press the button for as long as you want the exposure for. But, I am
 obviously missing something since this is not working.

As mentioned in other postings, use B time. To do this, set the camera to
the manual mode M and then select the proper shutter speed (bu) with the
swich under the shutter release button. You'll need, however, an external
timer to measure time...


 I'm also thinking of purchasing a larger lens. I am thinking either maxing
 at 200 or 400mm. Not sure. I'd like to shoot sports events (baseball,
 hockey, soccer) and I am not usually near the action. I'm thinking I
should
 go for the 400mm lens. All I now is that I am getting a fish eye lens. I
 love those effects/shots.

Consider carefully all the pros and cons... A really good 400mm prime costs
a fortune and it's almost impossible to get sharp pics if handheld. Will you
be able to shoot from the tripod (or monopod) being among the crowd?
Greetz
Artur

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May PUG Commentary

2001-05-07 Thread Bruce Dayton

Tulip Fields by Cameron Hood - My first impression on seeing this was Wow!
Truly a worthy panoramic format image.  As I examine it closer, some
questions come to mind that I wish Cameron had detailed in a comment.  The
film is very punchy and holds color well in what looks like overcast light.
Looking closely I see a solid red line across the horizon that makes me
think that perhaps this is actually two images stitched together.  The
tulips seem somewhat out of place with the background.  Hopefully Cameron
can give us an explanation.  I like this image nonetheless.  It has a
powerful foreground in the vast number of multi-colored tulips, that really
carries the image.  The more neutral colored background tends to complement
the foreground and keeps my attention focused on the tulips.  Without it my
eyes would just wander around.

Nice job Cameron!

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread Gary L. Murphy

On Mon, 07 May 2001 14:47:56 -0700, John Francis wrote:

So that's $999 from Adorama  BH, and $929 from Camera World.
Quite a difference!  List price, according to cCamera World, is $1099.

And $899 from Arlington Camera.




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Gary


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Re: OT: It's time again

2001-05-07 Thread James Apilado

Go Mariners!
Jim

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 Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:57:40 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OT: It's time again
 
 Anyone else keeping an eye on the Cubs?  :)
 
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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread Eric Platt

Hello all!
I'm pretty new to the pdml but I thought I should send you what I have
learned today.
Below is the pricing that ADORAMA emailed me for pricing on the MZ-S. They
wont give this price over the web unless you submit your email, in which
they email you this price

ADORAMA
-
Here is your requested price quote:
SKU: PXMZS
Brand: Pentax
Title: Avail 5/01 Pentax MZ-S Pro AF SLR U.S.A
Price: $874.95
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If you would like to purchase this Item, please click the link below
http://www.adoramaphoto.com/request.tpl?sku=PXMZSoldcart=98925192963931
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test

2001-05-07 Thread Sid Barras

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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread John Francis

Gary L. Murphy wrote:
 
 On Mon, 07 May 2001 14:47:56 -0700, John Francis wrote:
 
 So that's $999 from Adorama  BH, and $929 from Camera World.
 Quite a difference!  List price, according to cCamera World, is $1099.
 
 And $899 from Arlington Camera.

Wasn't there some question as to the validity of this last price?
I recall at least one list member (Texdance?) expressing doubt
as to whether Arlington would have pricing that competitive.

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test no content

2001-05-07 Thread Sid Barras

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Re: unusual PUG comment: Brian Campbell

2001-05-07 Thread bc



On 7 May 2001, at 21:26, Yves Caudano wrote:

  Copper Seas  by  Brian Campbell, Canada
 
 Really nice picture! When I first saw it I must say that I was 
 really, really surprised. Just have a look at the address below 
 and you'll know why... 
 
 http://www.scf.fundp.ac.be/~ycaudano/these/yc1112d000621-c2.jpg
 
 Rather funny, isn't it ?
 
 Yves
 
 

HA!  Nice shot, Yves, looks like it was a bit later in the day
that yours was shot, and with more cloud cover 
love the pink hues in the clouds

Great job of framing!  Like something I would probably do  :-P
Did you use any filters with the shot?  What film / lens did
you use?

Cheers!
Brian
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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread Gary L. Murphy

On Mon, 07 May 2001 17:31:00 -0700, John Francis wrote:

Wasn't there some question as to the validity of this last price?
I recall at least one list member (Texdance?) expressing doubt
as to whether Arlington would have pricing that competitive.

Yes. I live in the same area as Texdance. It's still listed as $899.99 on their web 
site. As of five minutes ago.




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Gary


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Gianfranco's The Jewel

2001-05-07 Thread Donald Ross

I've made my comments to Gianfranco off-list as to what I thought of his image.  I 
also queried
his use of a 645 lens on a 35 mm body.  I didn't know they were compatable.  My 
question to the
group is:  Is there technical/creative merit for using a 645 lens on a 35 mm body, or 
do people
do it  because 'they can'?

Don

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Re: Gianfranco's The Jewel

2001-05-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Donald Ross asked:

 Is there technical/creative merit for using 
 a 645 lens on a 35 mm body, or do people
 do it  because 'they can'?

Yes ... yes in that there may be focal lengths or optical
characteristics that the larger format lens may have that would be
useful on a 35mm camera.  However, more often than not it's because
it can be done, and allows the photographer to buy only one lens in
a focal length rather than one for each camera format.  Pentax 6x7
lenses will also work on a 35mm Pentax.
-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Re: KMP web access statistics

2001-05-07 Thread David S.



Bojidar Dimitrov wrote:

 Hi all,

 I must admit that I'm a bit tickled...  I just checked (for the first time
 ever!) the Web access logs of the KMP, and for the last 14 days it looks
 like this:

 3150 accesses to the main page
 26117 accesses to HTML files
 95855 accesses to all files (HTML, GIF, JPG, CSS, TXT)

 Pentax is not that unpopular, after all...   :-)

 Cheers,
 Boz

And because you put together an excellent site for Pentax enthusiasts.

David S.

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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread William Johnson

Man, I really need to get one of these I just need
a bookie so my wife doesn't find out about it. ;-)

By the way, welcome to the list.

William in Utah


Eric Platt wrote;


Hello all!
I'm pretty new to the pdml but I thought I should
send you what I have
learned today.
Below is the pricing that ADORAMA emailed me for
pricing on the MZ-S. They
wont give this price over the web unless you submit
your email, in which
they email you this price

ADORAMA
-
Here is your requested price quote:
SKU: PXMZS
Brand: Pentax
Title: Avail 5/01 Pentax MZ-S Pro AF SLR U.S.A
Price: $874.95

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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread Bob Poe

I got a quote from Adorama last week at $849...the
yoyo has a very short string...Bob


--- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gary L. Murphy wrote:
  
  On Mon, 07 May 2001 14:47:56 -0700, John Francis
 wrote:
  
  So that's $999 from Adorama  BH, and $929 from
 Camera World.
  Quite a difference!  List price, according to
 cCamera World, is $1099.
  
  And $899 from Arlington Camera.
 
 Wasn't there some question as to the validity of
 this last price?
 I recall at least one list member (Texdance?)
 expressing doubt
 as to whether Arlington would have pricing that
 competitive.
 
 -- 
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 Graphics, Inc.
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 Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991
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A 70-210 f4

2001-05-07 Thread Gary L. Murphy

Noticed that a few were talking about this lens. I managed to snatch one up last night 
off eBay, from someone 
I've dealt with before, for a total of, $65.00 including shipping!

Can't wait to get it.





Later,
Gary


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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread Doug Brewer

Looks like Adorama doesn't have any idea what they are charging for it. That's three 
different prices we've seen from them.

I'd be curious to see if they stand by that $849 price, Bob.

Doug



At 7:09 PM -07005/7/01, Bob Poe brandished a favorite crayon and scribbled:
I got a quote from Adorama last week at $849...the
yoyo has a very short string...Bob
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Re: PUG Comments (Framing)

2001-05-07 Thread Dave Maki

Hi, 
Rodgers is not the only one having problems with framing the image. 
Some of my problems is inattention to detail, not noticing what is
happening outside my main subject, not watching for trees or telephone
poles growing out of people's heads, not taking into account the
viewfinders 92% field of view - the usual errors.
The viewfinder itself is a problem.  I wear glasses with a -8 diopter
correction.  The eyepiece diopter correctors don't correct enough for me
to shoot without my glasses.  With the glasses on I can only see 2
adjacent borders of the frame at the same time, and certainly not the
corners.  If the shot is hand held, bouncing my head around to look for
the corners and the edges just wobbles the camera, distorting the
composition.  Using a tripod does help with the composing.  Cropping the
scanned image helps, too :-)
I have mostly been using a Program Plus and K1000.  I was about to buy
a MZ-M.  Is there another camera that works better for people with
glasses, something else I should look at?  Or, can the viewfinder
diopter adjuster thingies (I'm sure that is the correct Canadian
technical term) be stacked to get a higher correction and still keep my
eye close enough to the viewfinder to see the whole frame? Are there any
better options than using a tripod and taking more time?
Thanks.


Rodger Whitlock wrote:
snip  there has been a repeated remark that my photos would be
 better if they were more carefully framed to avoid cutting off
 interesting things at the edge. This tells me that (like many other
 amateurs) I need to pay closer attention to what is in the
 viewfinder and take more time in composing each shot.
snip 

-- 
Dave Maki

Calgary, Alberta
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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread Gerald Cermak

Doug Brewer

 Looks like Adorama doesn't have any idea what they are charging for it.
That's three different prices we've seen from them.

 I'd be curious to see if they stand by that $849 price, Bob.

Not very likely, considering their reputation for charging extra for camera
straps and lens caps when they are supposedly included in the kit.

Yes, the camera is $849, and the body cap is $20, and camera strap is $45,
the battery cover is $25, and the viewfinder cap is $15.  That'll be $1019
with our standard $65 SH fees.

Cheers,
Gerald


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Re: PUG Comments (Framing)

2001-05-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi ...

The LX, with its removable finders and FB-1 system my be helpful.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/pentaxlx/viewfinders/index.htm
-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Grain is the brushstroke of photography. - Man Ray

Dave Maki wrote:
 I have mostly been using a Program Plus and K1000.  I was about to buy
 a MZ-M.  Is there another camera that works better for people with
 glasses, something else I should look at?  Or, can the viewfinder
 diopter adjuster thingies (I'm sure that is the correct Canadian
 technical term) be stacked to get a higher correction and still keep my
 eye close enough to the viewfinder to see the whole frame? Are there any
 better options than using a tripod and taking more time?
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Re: Gianfranco's The Jewel

2001-05-07 Thread Bob Blakely

Theoretically, no. Generally, one would expect the 645 system to be sharper
than a 35mm system owing to the larger negative. This is not just because of
the grain, but also because less resolution is requires of the lens. This is
a good thing because it's harder to make a lens cover the larger format and
usually both resolution and speed suffer. This all translates to no
advantage in quality and usually a slight lowering of resolution. Usually
the 645 lens will be slower. What's the advantage? well, if you already own
the 645 lens you save money, and if you're carrying both formats in the
field, you don't have to carry the 35mm lens of the same focal length.

Regards,
Bob...
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From: Donald Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:14 PM
Subject: Gianfranco's The Jewel


 I've made my comments to Gianfranco off-list as to what I thought of his
image.  I also queried
 his use of a 645 lens on a 35 mm body.  I didn't know they were
compatable.  My question to the
 group is:  Is there technical/creative merit for using a 645 lens on a 35
mm body, or do people
 do it  because 'they can'?


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52mm hood for 35-70mm zoom

2001-05-07 Thread Ken Archer

Does anyone have any recommendations for the subject lens?  I suspect
that Nikon should have one to fit a 52mm mount, but what model would
give the best coverage without cutting the corners off at 35mm?
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Re: New Pentax Owner

2001-05-07 Thread Ed Dombek

I went to the Cubs game on Saturday and took my camera and a couple of lens.  I 
carried them right in inside a Tamrac messenger-type bag under my shoulder.  Security 
never even asked me to open the bag.  I saw quite a few people with cameras and lenses 
that appeared to be in the 200-300mm range.  I was sitting on the right field side 
about 8-10 rows from the field even with Sosa.  I was able to focus in on all of the 
action at the plate and at second pretty well with a 80-320 zoom.  I should get the 
pictures back Wednesday so I'll let you know how it went.

I used Kodak Royal Gold 400.  The weather was kind of overcast.  Anyone recommend 
anything else for next time?

(P.S. Collin B.: I can't believe the Cubbies either!  It is shaping up to be a long 
summer of holding our collective breath!)


 Mike Steele wrote:
snip
Before you go out and spend gobs and gobs of money on a 200mm or 400mm lens make sure 
that the venue you want to use it on will allow you to use it there!  I recently 
went to a Detroit Red Wings hockey game and was telling my boss that I was going to 
take a big telephoto lens to get some close-ups.  He tipped me off that the NHL 
prohibits long lenses (apparently so does Major League Baseball). I went taking my 
Pentax Spotmatic and a 55mm Takumar lens and they still didn't want to let me 
in...saying nothing longer than 54mm!!!
snip 

--- Daniel Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 I'm also thinking of purchasing a larger lens. I am
 thinking either maxing at 200 or 400mm. Not sure.
 I'd like to shoot sports events (baseball,
 hockey, soccer) and I am not usually near the
 action. I'm thinking I should go for the 400mm 
 lens. All I know is that I am getting a fish eye
 lens.
snip

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WTB:Reverse Ring Light Holder K

2001-05-07 Thread Robertson, Alastair

Hi

I am hoping to mount my AF140C ring light on a reversed lens.  I understand
from Boz's site that I need a Reverse Ring Light Holder K to do so.  They
seem to be much less common than an ordinary reversing ring.  Does anyone
have one for sale or can they direct to somewhere that does have one?

Thanks
Alastair Robertson


Dr Alastair W. Robertson, Senior Lecturer
Ecology, Institute of Natural Resources
Massey University, Private Bag 11222
Palmerston North, NEW ZEALAND
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Re: Gianfranco's The Jewel

2001-05-07 Thread Rob Studdert

On 7 May 2001, at 21:14, Donald Ross wrote:

 I've made my comments to Gianfranco off-list as to what I thought of his image. 
 I also queried his use of a 645 lens on a 35 mm body.  I didn't know they were
 compatable.  My question to the group is:  Is there technical/creative merit for
 using a 645 lens on a 35 mm body, or do people do it  because 'they can'?

Hi Don,

Many PDMLers have answered why so I won't further elaborate apart from 
offering a URL to images of the adaptors in action:

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/pentaxmfvs35mmlenstest.html

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Fax +61-2-9554-9259
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Small world category: Re: unusual PUG comment: Brian Campbell

2001-05-07 Thread William Robb

Yup, thats a nice one, fer sure.
Got me one of them myself.
http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/wrobb/sunset.jpg
HAR!!!
Thae world is decidedly small.
Pentax content: Shot with the 6x7.
William Robb

 Yves C. wrote:
  Copper Seas  by  Brian Campbell, Canada

 Really nice picture! When I first saw it I must say that I was
 really, really surprised. Just have a look at the address
below
 and you'll know why...


http://www.scf.fundp.ac.be/~ycaudano/these/yc1112d000621-c2.jpg

 Rather funny, isn't it ?


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Re: Pentax MZ-S at BH ...

2001-05-07 Thread Ernest Alejandria

On 5-7-01 Tom V. made this passing comment:



  aimcompute wrote:

It's simple marketing, the age-old method of liking sex with products.

Hmm. Didn't know 'k-mount' could be a verb.


It could very well be but I know that screw-mount is definitely one.


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