Re[2]: MZ-S results with film

2001-07-05 Thread Alin Flaider

Paul wrote:

PJ> The ones most list members have are finals, i would assume that they would
PJ> only consider introducing this option if they released a MZ-Sn or similar.

   Unless MZ-S is manufactured in one large batch (which is not
   the Pentax way), it's likely the firmware will suffer changes. It
   always happened with others' cameras - it took several revisions to
   stabilize.
   As for printing the actual time exposure in B mode - this is a
   exclusively a software issue.
 
   Servus, Alin


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Re: Slide Labeling Codes

2001-07-05 Thread Artur Ledóchowski

Hi,
Since I store my slides in binders, I just label them with frame numbers and
group holders containing slides coming from the same film - each group is
separated with an A4 sheet of paper put in a holder. On that sheet of paper
there are written (also frame numbered)  exposure parameters for each frame
(shutter, aperture, lens, focal length, filter, flash, compensation and
other - I always write down exposure parameters for each exposure I do),
name of the film and dates of shooting.
Greetz
Artur

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Subject: Slide Labeling Codes


| Hi,
|
| I am in the middle of organising my slides and i'm wondering what 'codes'
| other people use to label their slides? I will be keeping them in those
| transperant sleaves you can buy to put in a folder.
|
| I plan to keep a database on my computer so i can reference which codes
goes
| with which slide.
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Re: "Macro" Studio Lighting

2001-07-05 Thread Kelvin Ang

Thanks Nick and Paul for your posts.

Nicholas says:

> Like regular household bulbs? I do not think that
> they have the same color temperature.

Would it be possible to measure the light temperature?


> Personally, I would not recommend any filters, but
> to
> use a film balanced for the light source. I've never
> seen a color temp filter that I've been pleased with
> the results.

Any particular film you can recommend me for shooting
under mild tungsten lighting?

> My opinion would be to go with flash, much easier I
> think. :)

That would be good, but I'm always pretty bad with
flash shots. Furthermore, I plan to place a red piece
of velvet cloth as the background (about 2 inch behind
the subject), and I'm afraid the shadow will be
obvious. I don't own a dedicated flash unit, so it all
depends on the seldom-used built-in flash. I intended
to use a powerful torch and cover the light source
with some tissue paper to disfuse the light, and use 2
of these as a diagonal frontal lighting.

Regards,
Kelvin

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OT: Firearms was Howdy Digest folks! (with photo element)

2001-07-05 Thread Cotty

>My biggest weapon is a 2 foot long Mighty Mag flashlight.  It's black and
>very manly.  The bear didn't like it.  He was eating stale Fritos.  That was
>OK, I didn't want them.  His eyes just glowed back at me in an exquisite
>emerald green.  Then he wuffed and walked up the driveway after finishing
>the corn chips.

Great Scott, man! Did you get a few frames of this encounter? 
'Bear-in-garden PUG' on the cards maybe???

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Re: BW prints from color negs

2001-07-05 Thread LEDMRVM

In a message dated 7/5/2001 1:16:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 
>  > I have to make some black and white enlargements from color 
>  > negs.  What is the name of the process that I would tell a custom lab 
that
>  I want?
>  

The "process" is the same. You will get better prints if the lab uses 
Panalure print paper which is designed to give the correct tonal range for 
color negs on b/w paper.
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RE: User report on Lowepro AW packback

2001-07-05 Thread Cameron R. Hood

It's the strap clips that cause the problems. They are plastic, and if you
look at the piece of plastic that controls the lateral motion, it's about as
secure as a bread-bag clip. My advice is to change tham, and complain
strongly to Lowe Pro.


Cameron


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Re: Tamron SP 24-135, A setting??

2001-07-05 Thread Frank Wajer

>Well, without an aperture ring you could couple it with the MZ-5n, but
>you'd only have shutter priority and program modes.  If it does have an
>aperture ring, but no A setting, the minimum aperture setting (probably
>F32) turns into the A setting on cameras that can handle it.

Where did you get this knowledge from?

Frank


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RE: K1000 vs KM

2001-07-05 Thread Todd Stanley


The KX is a step up from the KM.  It has a different light meter, which is
more sensitive and accurate, especially in low light.  In the viewfinder
you have aperture readout on the top (commonly out of alignment, so check
to make sure it works on a used KX), and shutter speed on the right side -
a translucent blue needle points to the shutter speed selected with the
shutter speed dial, and a black needle points to the shutter speed
recommended by the light meter.  Simply match the two needles for correct
exposure.  The KX is also one of the three Pentax K mounts with MLU (the
other two are the K2 and LX).  There is a KX MOT that accepts a motor
drive, but it's expensive (KEH had one for $250+).  There is also a KM MOT
but it's rare.

Todd

At 07:25 PM 7/5/01 -, you wrote:
>Hi Peifer,
>
>Thanks for so quick answer. I find on Internet  that there is also Pentax
KX. Is KX and KM same? Which one is preferred KM or KX. Thanks in Advance.
>
>Regards
>
>Swades
>New Delhi, India
>

>
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Re: "Macro" Studio Lighting

2001-07-05 Thread MZ3_fella _

Have you considered using daylight?  Set up near a window (preferably with 
northern exposure) and make a simple reflector with aluminium foil to bounce 
some of the light back onto the object.  I've done this a few times with 
good results.  Since you'll stop down and may use some slow shutter speeds 
make sure that you use a tripod.
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Re: K2 body and SMC-K 50/1.4 lens on eBay

2001-07-05 Thread Todd Stanley


He got it at a garage sale too... what luck.  If I ever go to Denver I
might have to do a little garage sale hunting.

Todd

At 10:16 AM 7/5/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Not my auction, but thought someone may be interested.  No bids yet, and six
>days to go.  Opening at $100.
>
>Bill Peifer
>Rochester, NY
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252617529
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Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread Michel Adam


From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:29 AM
Subject: OT: Firearms was Howdy Digest folks! (with photo element)


> >My biggest weapon is a 2 foot long Mighty Mag flashlight.  It's black and
> >very manly.  The bear didn't like it.  He was eating stale Fritos.  That was
> >OK, I didn't want them.  His eyes just glowed back at me in an exquisite
> >emerald green.  Then he wuffed and walked up the driveway after finishing
> >the corn chips.
> 
> Great Scott, man! Did you get a few frames of this encounter? 
> 'Bear-in-garden PUG' on the cards maybe???
> 
> Cotty
> 

Just to put things in perspective:

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun4_01bear.html

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun6_01edit.html

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun11_01bear.html

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun13_01bear1.html

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun13_01bear.html

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun18_01bear.html

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun22_01high.html

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun22_01bear.html

( http://www.nnsl.com/ and then do a search for 'bear' )

I normally don't carry a firearm, but I do carry pepper spray.

Wilderness starts 500 meters before the last beer bottle...

Michel Adam
Yellowknife, N.W.T.


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Re: Tamron SP 24-135, A setting??

2001-07-05 Thread Todd Stanley


I have seen the aperture ring-less Tamrons.  Basically how it works is the
lens is permantently set to 'A'.  Fine while using a camera like the PZ-1p
where you can adjust the aperture on the body, but the MZ-5n and ZX-M (my
camera) don't allow this, so you are stuck with the modes you can use while
the lens is set to 'A'.  On a manual body like the K1000 you are simply
screwed.

I learned the other trick from the list.  IIRC this is how Tanya was able
to use the Tamron 135mm with KA Adaptall on her ZX-50, the KA adaptor
electronically makes the minimum aperture setting into the A setting, but
on the aperture ring you still see 32.

Todd


At 06:04 PM 7/5/01 +0200, you wrote:
>>Well, without an aperture ring you could couple it with the MZ-5n, but
>>you'd only have shutter priority and program modes.  If it does have an
>>aperture ring, but no A setting, the minimum aperture setting (probably
>>F32) turns into the A setting on cameras that can handle it.
>
>Where did you get this knowledge from?
>
>Frank
>
>

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July PUG Rambilings

2001-07-05 Thread aimcompute

" Ice Flower " by  Ken Waller, USA
My favorite of the month Ken.  All I can say is WOW!  Very nice. Perfect
title.
Congratulations on the contest win as well.  It seems as if I've seen this
before.
Did Epson publish it somewhere in an ad? Yours has been my favorite two
months in a row (considering the source, you may not appreciate the
complement). :-)

" Little Paradise " by  Jaume Lahuerta
Nice Jaume.  Looks like a shot from a travel book. Humble suggestion: I find
the washed out sky detracts from a beautiful image. What about cropping the
sky out,
leaving only 6 mm of it.  Makes me want to go to Spain.

" Once Upon a Time " by  Mark Roberts, USA
Wonderful Mark.  It really draws one in.  It feels as if I can step into it.
I know they are corny now, but this looks sort of like one of those
life-size
wall murals that was popular in the 70's.  It looks like the cover for a
fairy tale book as well.

" Star " by  Bruce Dayton, USA
This is really neat Bruce.  Very abstract.  I am somewhat boggled by it.  As
I sit back and stare it transforms itself.  Maybe into a flat piece of
polished petrified wood.  It also has a spinning effect in the tree leaves,
which I don't understand the cause of.  Also the star appears to have
entered the frame, followed by a trail of smoke to it's right (the sky).  It
was hard for me to choose between this one & Ken's as my favorite.   I may
need to get a fish-eye.  My son just attended a music camp here (not really
a camp, but a week long instructional symposium).  He plays viola.  What do
your girls play?

" VLA at Sunset " by  John Cohen, USA
Cool John.  I'm running out of words, but I like it alot.  Cold & surreal,
that's what it is.  Astronomy is a favorite
interest of mine.

" Inquisitive " by  Bill Sawyer, USA
Cute Shot Bill.  Good posing job you did. I like the highlights in the
little guys eye.

" A Different Chain " by  Gianfranco Irlanda, Italy
Interesting.  Sometimes the tighter the composition the more the photo
"speaks".

" Jennie " by  M. Patrick Hunt
Very engaging shot.  I like the use of the wide angle on this.  Nice angle
for the shot and a great pose as well as composition.

" Island of Terschelling " by  Wessel Sijl, The Netherlands
I like this and how you noticed the light.  It has a double exposure
effect.

" Naturemort " by  Igor Gitetcky, Russian Federation
Beautiful effect and colors.  I like it.  Not sure I'd drink dish soap or
bath salts.  I guess if I was thirsty enough. :-)

" Summer Snow " by  Edward Kreis
I like this and the blowing snow.  About three weeks ago, we had snow
flurries at our house in Idaho.  It was a hundred degrees F several days
earlier.

" Sounds of Silence " by  Karoly Kovacs
Nice shot & title.  I don't typically take this kind of shot so I don't have
much to say.  It would make a nice fine art greeting card (as do many this
month).

" Drops of Dew " by  Smirnov Andrew, Russian Federation
Very nice and abstract.  I'm curious if it is done on black and white or
color.



I always feel enriched by the PUG.  It's often like going on a hike or
taking a trip around the world.  I am amazed this month by the creativity I
see in the shots and the eye for detail and beauty that's demonstrated by
the submissions.  It's inspiring and educational (both photographically and
otherwise).  Thanks to all the contributors and maintainers.

Tom C.





















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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread aimcompute

Pepper spray is on our list to get.  Also we just got a Blue Heeler pup.
Not much help right now of course, but it seems animals become aware of
potentially dangerous intruders before humans and can be an advance warning
system.

Thanks for the links.

Tom C.

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From: "Michel Adam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:01 PM
Subject: Some perspective...


>
> From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:29 AM
> Subject: OT: Firearms was Howdy Digest folks! (with photo element)
>
>
> > >My biggest weapon is a 2 foot long Mighty Mag flashlight.  It's black
and
> > >very manly.  The bear didn't like it.  He was eating stale Fritos.
That was
> > >OK, I didn't want them.  His eyes just glowed back at me in an
exquisite
> > >emerald green.  Then he wuffed and walked up the driveway after
finishing
> > >the corn chips.
> >
> > Great Scott, man! Did you get a few frames of this encounter?
> > 'Bear-in-garden PUG' on the cards maybe???
> >
> > Cotty
> >
>
> Just to put things in perspective:
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun4_01bear.html
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun6_01edit.html
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun11_01bear.html
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun13_01bear1.html
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun13_01bear.html
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun18_01bear.html
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun22_01high.html
>
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun22_01bear.html
>
> ( http://www.nnsl.com/ and then do a search for 'bear' )
>
> I normally don't carry a firearm, but I do carry pepper spray.
>
> Wilderness starts 500 meters before the last beer bottle...
>
> Michel Adam
> Yellowknife, N.W.T.
>
>
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Re: Firearms was Howdy Digest folks! (with photo element)

2001-07-05 Thread aimcompute

I was so shocked I did not think about a camera until the next day.  :-(

Stupid, huh?

Tom C.

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> >My biggest weapon is a 2 foot long Mighty Mag flashlight.  It's black and
> >very manly.  The bear didn't like it.  He was eating stale Fritos.  That
was
> >OK, I didn't want them.  His eyes just glowed back at me in an exquisite
> >emerald green.  Then he wuffed and walked up the driveway after finishing
> >the corn chips.
>
> Great Scott, man! Did you get a few frames of this encounter?
> 'Bear-in-garden PUG' on the cards maybe???
>
> Cotty
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RE: User report on Lowepro AW packback

2001-07-05 Thread Jan van Wijk

On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:19:49 -0700, Cameron R. Hood wrote:

>It's the strap clips that cause the problems. They are plastic, and if you
>look at the piece of plastic that controls the lateral motion, it's about as
>secure as a bread-bag clip.

Hmmm,

I just had another look at the thing, and yes there are some plastic clips, but
I can't see one that would be real critical ...

When I come across one of the other models I'll compare them.

Anyway, I'll be more carefull with it now :-)

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Re: PUG down?

2001-07-05 Thread William Robb

Works for me. Prhaps Igor was doing a bit of follow up
maintainence on the new server
William Robb
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> Is the PUG down right now?  I can't get to it?
>
> Tom C.


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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread William Robb

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From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: July 5, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Some perspective...


> Pepper spray is on our list to get.  Also we just got a Blue
Heeler pup.
> Not much help right now of course, but it seems animals become
aware of
> potentially dangerous intruders before humans and can be an
advance warning
> system.
>
> Thanks for the links.

They put their food into their tent and climbed in behind
it? The guy comitted suicide. The Rottweilers seem pretty good
at keeping bears away also. We were camping in the Kootenays a
couple of years back. There were lots of bears in the area, but
we never had any come even close.
William Robb


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Re: PUG down?

2001-07-05 Thread aimcompute

It worked for me later.  For a period of about an hour I was intermittently
getting the typical 404 type message on the main gallery page and when
clicking on individual thumbnails.  Everything appears to be fine now
though.

Tom C.


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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: PUG down?


> Works for me. Prhaps Igor was doing a bit of follow up
> maintainence on the new server
> William Robb
> - Original Message -
> From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: July 5, 2001 10:31 AM
> Subject: PUG down?
>
>
> > Is the PUG down right now?  I can't get to it?
> >
> > Tom C.
>
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New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Grigolia

 Another MZ series camera!  The Pentax Japan Home Page has just 
introduced the new Pentax MZ-5n.  If any Japanese linguists could translate 
we greatly appreciate it.
 The item is list under New Products with a July 5th date!  The camera 
has an all black body!  And it does NOT have the slanted top of the MZ-S.
 Alexander Grigolia
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RE: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Bucky

Isn't this just a new color, as opposed to a new body?

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Subject: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page


 Another MZ series camera!  The Pentax Japan Home Page has just
introduced the new Pentax MZ-5n.  If any Japanese linguists could translate
we greatly appreciate it.
 The item is list under New Products with a July 5th date!  The camera
has an all black body!  And it does NOT have the slanted top of the MZ-S.
 Alexander Grigolia
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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread Brendan



> 
> They put their food into their tent and climbed
> in behind
> it? 

Dumb, Thats why I carry a .308 camping Just in case.

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OT: Tiger's Maw

2001-07-05 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.

I was looking through some of my recent tiger lilly photos, trying
to decide which ones to get enlarged, and how large, when I realized
what photo of a lilly I want:

I want a wall-sized (meters on a side -- 3mx4m or larger) macro shot 
staring down into the center of an orange tiger lilly with enough depth 
of field that the (stamens?) projecting into the foreground are sharp, 
large enough that when you stand in front of it, you'll feel as though 
you're about to fall in.  _Ideally_ I'd like to take the photo myself, 
but that's not as important as _having_ it.

Now the question is:  how would I go about getting this?  That's a
lot of DOF to ask for at that magnification (and then there's the
question of whether I could get it sharp enough in 35mm for that
enlargement).  How feasible would this shot be in MF?  LF?

Somehow I think it's going to be a long time before I have that
photo.  OTOH, it's more likely to happen than the painting that's
been stuck in my head for twenty years that I can't paint.  (Sometimes
the muse is very cruel.)

-- Glenn, writing a new
   jig today.

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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread aimcompute

The last time I even left food sitting *outside* in the campsite was in 1989
at Rocky Mountain National Park.  We had eaten fried trout and hush puppies
for dinner.  Around 4:00 AM there was something at our table (now know it
was raccoons).  But for that thirty minutes or so in the tent, hearing the
pot/pans get knocked over and the grunting/licking sounds... it convinced me
never to leave food out.

Everything including the ice chest gets locked up tight in the back of the
car, including the dirty dishes and campstove if we didn't get time to wash
them.

Tom C.

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>
>
> >
> > They put their food into their tent and climbed
> > in behind
> > it?
>
> Dumb, Thats why I carry a .308 camping Just in case.
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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread Robert Harris



Michel Adam wrote:
> 
> Just to put things in perspective:
> 
> http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun4_01bear.html
> 
[more links snipped]


Thanks for all of those articles on the joy of city life.

Bob, New York City
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Re: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Grigolia

Bucky,
 It might just be a new black finish!  But it sure looks different in 
black!
Alexander Grigolia
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Re: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Pål Jensen

Alexander wrote:

>  Another MZ series camera!  The Pentax Japan Home Page has just 
> introduced the new Pentax MZ-5n.  If any Japanese linguists could translate 
> we greatly appreciate it.
>  The item is list under New Products with a July 5th date!  The camera 
> has an all black body!  And it does NOT have the slanted top of the MZ-S.


As far as I know the MZ-5n is not a new camera but several years old. The MZ-5n was 
made for exposrt. Japan had the MZ-5 and the MZ-3. Now that the MZ-5 and MZ-3 are 
discontinued Japan will do with the MZ-5n like the rest of the world. In other words, 
this is a release of the MZ-5n on japanese market.
The black color is probably also a japanese market thing like the black MZ-7 or MZ-3.

Pål

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RE: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Bucky

I agree, and I like it better.  Mine was silver and stood out like a
sore...thing that stands out a lot.  I prefer black equipment because it's
*marginally* less obvious.

Obviously, I'm out of luck on the FA* lenses, although, as Bill has pointed
out to me, big glass is light-colored for functional reasons, so I can't
grip too much.


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Bucky,
 It might just be a new black finish!  But it sure looks different in
black!
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MZ-S vibrations (or lack thereof)

2001-07-05 Thread Pål Jensen

The MZ-S is almost certainly the most vibration free Pentax ever. It offers a 
substantial advange over the Z-1p, or for that matter the LX, in this regard. I've 
shot with a 600/4 + 1.4X converter at shutterspeeds as low as 1/15s with tripod and 
they are razor sharp. I' have also exposure made at 1/90s with the same combo resting 
on mother earth, and they are also sharp. With the Z-1p, everything below and 
including 1/180s is a hit and miss almost regardless of support. This is truly 
amazing; I wasn't aware that miror + shutter vibrations was the culprit - I though it 
was technique. This is of course good news for macro shooters as well. 


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What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread jez

Hi
Having returned to serious photography after a good few years out.

I am amazed at the prices people are paying for the K1000 and the like.

The K1000 was my first serious camera 20 years ago. Were they really that
good ?

I always thought they were pretty basic. I had mine a couple of years and
changed to an OM2 and thought this was a huge leap forward in terms of
metering lens quality handling etc.

I am currently using an ME which I probably think is superior, although I
have not picked up a K1000 for many years.

The real question is do I need to call up my mate who bought it off me for
20 quid 15 years ago and remind him it was just a long term loan and he can
have his 20 quid back :-)

regards Jez


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Re: MZ-S bug

2001-07-05 Thread Pål Jensen

Are there anyone out there whose MZ-S has this bug? Mine is number 4200 and is 
apparently bugfree. Presumably only early models with serial numbers (well?)below 4200 
is afflicted.

Pål

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RE: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Brendan

New black body it says. Also MZ-7 black body and
silver MZ-S. No I don't speak Japanse got a friend to
translate it.

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MZ-S AF for Macro

2001-07-05 Thread Pål Jensen

The MZ-S + FA* 200/4 ED IF Macro is an outstanding combo for AF macro shooting. I've 
shoot insects at close to 1:1 with AF and flash, handheld with AF and every single 
image is razor sharp. The auto AF point selection work surprisingly well. 
Anyone who has tried a 200 Macro lens at close to 1:1 handheld will know how awfully 
dificult it is to maintain focus in the right place with the miniscule depth of field 
this outfit provides. 


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Re: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, jez wrote:

> I am amazed at the prices people are paying for the K1000 and the like.
> 
> The K1000 was my first serious camera 20 years ago. Were they really that
> good ?

[...]
> I am currently using an ME which I probably think is superior, although I
> have not picked up a K1000 for many years.

[...]

The K1000 is a bit overpriced nowadays. Still, it is a solid camera,
and it was made until 1997 I think, so you can get them in very good
shape. 

It is better than the ME in my eyes, since the ME doesn't have a
manual exposure mode. The ME-Super is another thing...

In any case, for just a bit more you can get an MX, and that beats
both the K1000 and the ME-Super.

j

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Re: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread aimcompute

It's a classic.
It's metal.
It looks like Dad's.
It's one of the few that doesn't provide any automation, making it a perfect
student camera (you can't use a crutch).
It's as capable as any Pentax body of capturing great images.

Your ME is superior in feature-set, but is no more capable of getting a good
shot than is the K1000.

I'm a little envious of the one I bought for my son, even though I have a MX
and ME Super.

It's simplicity is attractive.

Tom C.





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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:05 PM
Subject: What is all the fuss about the K1000


> Hi
> Having returned to serious photography after a good few years out.
>
> I am amazed at the prices people are paying for the K1000 and the like.
>
> The K1000 was my first serious camera 20 years ago. Were they really that
> good ?
>
> I always thought they were pretty basic. I had mine a couple of years and
> changed to an OM2 and thought this was a huge leap forward in terms of
> metering lens quality handling etc.
>
> I am currently using an ME which I probably think is superior, although I
> have not picked up a K1000 for many years.
>
> The real question is do I need to call up my mate who bought it off me for
> 20 quid 15 years ago and remind him it was just a long term loan and he
can
> have his 20 quid back :-)
>
> regards Jez
>
>
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Re: OT: Tiger's Maw

2001-07-05 Thread John Mustarde

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

>I want a wall-sized (meters on a side -- 3mx4m or larger) macro shot 
>staring down into the center of an orange tiger lilly with enough depth 
>of field that the (stamens?) projecting into the foreground are sharp, 

That's not a difficult shot - just take most any 35mm
camera and 100mmm lens, stop down to f22, and shoot
with a subject distance of 36 inches. The DOF would be
about 4.4 inches. 

It's the enlargement that's challenging. The 35mm shot
described above will give a field of view of 7.6 x 11.5
inches, so you would be looking at having several
lilies in the photo. 

The large field of view makes the enl;argement
difficult, no matter whether you shoot 35mm or 4x5. If
you want just one lily enlarged, you'll be starting
from a small cropped area of the original neg.

Sure, you could enlarge this to any size. The
determining factor for "sharpness" at wall-size
(assuming you used hi-res film/lens to take a sharp
photo, and got a sharp enlargement) is the viewing
distance.

The tilt-and-swing guys have a technique to get more
DOF from a given focal length. I bet that is the most
practical method to get the photo you want. Or maybe
there is some slice-and-dice computer methodology using
multiple images to get one sharp composite.
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PZ-1 Questions

2001-07-05 Thread Jimmy James



Hello
 
I am a relative amateur. I recently upgraded from 
my Super ME to a PZ-1. 
 
1. I didnt get a manual with the camera. I dont 
have a credit card, thus ordering one from various online sources is a giant 
pain. Does anyone have a scanned copy, or know whwre I can find one on the web? 
(Hope this request isnt sacrilege;)
 
2. The PZ-1 has an autofocus viewfinder screen. 
If/How can I aquire a nice split field finder like my super me.. im relying 
mostly on my old K-mount lenses right now.
 
Thanks In Advance
 
Jimmy James
 
PS - i love this discussion group. Only been here a 
few weeks but its been invaluable.


Re: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread Frank Theriault

Hi, Jez,

I think that somewhere along the line, the K1000 got the reputation as the
"ideal students' camera", most likely since it was fully manual, so it forced
the student to be aware of settings, and therefore what the camera was doing
(or more to the point, what the student was doing to the camera).  It was
cheap, sturdy, simple, and had an incredibly long run.  It (unlike my beloved
Spotmatic) took bayonet lenses, so new lenses were easy to come by.

Unfortunately, over the years, in order to keep the price competitive, both the
body and the innards started to be made of plastic, compromising (imho)
quality.  In addition, it was, by the end of it's run, made in non-Pentax
factories in such places as Hong Kong and China.

But it maintained that reputation as the ideal students' camera.  I'm always
amazed when I see a group of students from the Photog Course at Ryerson
Polytechnical here in Toronto galavanting about town, to see that about 1/2 of
them have K1000's around their necks.

I guess that the fact that so many of them were made, as opposed to products
such as the KM and KX means that there is a ready supply of them on the used
market, ensuring that the used prices will remain high.  Personally, I think
they tend to be overpriced, compared to the above-mentioned bodies, or even
Spotmatics (a K1000 is really a bayonet-mount Spottie F without self timer or
dof switch).

But, reputations being what they are...

regards,
frank


jez wrote:

> Hi
> Having returned to serious photography after a good few years out.
>
> I am amazed at the prices people are paying for the K1000 and the like.
>
> The K1000 was my first serious camera 20 years ago. Were they really that
> good ?
>
> I always thought they were pretty basic. I had mine a couple of years and
> changed to an OM2 and thought this was a huge leap forward in terms of
> metering lens quality handling etc.
>
> I am currently using an ME which I probably think is superior, although I
> have not picked up a K1000 for many years.
>
> The real question is do I need to call up my mate who bought it off me for
> 20 quid 15 years ago and remind him it was just a long term loan and he can
> have his 20 quid back :-)
>
> regards Jez
>
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Re: PZ-1 Questions

2001-07-05 Thread aimcompute



Regarding manuals, 
 
The last I knew, Pentax USA (assuming you are in the 
USA) will mail you a photocopied version for around $2.00.  If you go 
to their website and get their Customer Service Phone #, one of the phone menu 
selections will be to request a manual.  You leave your info, they send you 
a manual with a bill.  
 
At least that's the way it worked about a year 
ago.
 
Tom C.
  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jimmy 
  James 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:46 
  PM
  Subject: PZ-1 Questions
  
  Hello
   
  I am a relative amateur. I recently upgraded from 
  my Super ME to a PZ-1. 
   
  1. I didnt get a manual with the camera. I dont 
  have a credit card, thus ordering one from various online sources is a giant 
  pain. Does anyone have a scanned copy, or know whwre I can find one on the 
  web? (Hope this request isnt sacrilege;)
   
  2. The PZ-1 has an autofocus viewfinder screen. 
  If/How can I aquire a nice split field finder like my super me.. im relying 
  mostly on my old K-mount lenses right now.
   
  Thanks In Advance
   
  Jimmy James
   
  PS - i love this discussion group. Only been here 
  a few weeks but its been invaluable.


RE: User report on Lowepro AW packback

2001-07-05 Thread Cameron R. Hood


The plastic clips that cause the problems are the ones on the ends of the
shoulder straps; it is like a little plastic sring loaded thing. Its a
stupid and cheap design, when, for the sake of an extra dollar or two
(probably less) they could have had metal ones there like they use on just
about all of their other bags, including smaller and cheaper ones. Watch
out; they WILL fail on you. Great bag design; it's too bad they had to
scrimp on those two little parts.

Cameron Hood

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Interesting item on eBay web site item#1251500453: Pentax Super Program 35 mm Camera Outfit

2001-07-05 Thread rhstamps

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Re: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread Nicholas Wright


--- "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> The K1000 is a bit overpriced nowadays. Still, it is
> a solid camera,
> and it was made until 1997 I think, so you can get
> them in very good
> shape. 

High prices? Huh? For a K1000? I've bought two K1000s
in both in superb condition for about $70-$80 each.
You just have to know where to look. :) Both of the
one's that I've owned were purchased from pawn stores.
Yes, you might run into a bad unit now and again but
if you know what you're looking for you'll be able to
avoid those cameras. Besides, a reputable pawn dealer
will allow you to return the camera after shooting a
roll if there's something wrong with it.

Nick

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RE: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

> big glass is light-colored for functional reasons
Why is this? I have noticed it before, but never thought there was a
functional reason for that.

Frits

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Re: PZ-1 Questions

2001-07-05 Thread Nicholas Wright

>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jimmy James 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:46 PM
>   Subject: PZ-1 Questions

*snippage* 
>   1. I didnt get a manual with the camera. I dont
> have a credit card, thus ordering one from various
> online sources is a giant pain. Does anyone have a
> scanned copy, or know whwre I can find one on the
> web? (Hope this request isnt sacrilege;)

Yes, Pentax will mail you a manual if you phone their
hotline, the bill comes with the manual so no credit
card is needed. Here is a link to the PZ-1p manual
(http://www.lumine.net/jat/equipment/pz1p/) I'm not
sure how many features differ between the z1 and z1p,
hope this helps. :)
 
>   2. The PZ-1 has an autofocus viewfinder screen.
> If/How can I aquire a nice split field finder like
> my super me.. im relying mostly on my old K-mount
> lenses right now.

Unfortunately, no split-image screens are available
for the z1, that I know of at least. This was a
concern of mine as well when I upgraded from a K1000
to the z1p. But I've learned that I actually like the
plain screen better. It takes a little to get used to
but it does work. :) The indicator light is helpful
too. The comapny that I work my dayjob at supplies us
with 645's and mine has a SI screen in it, can't tell
you how often I've thought about changing it...

Hope this all helps,
Nick

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Re: Old vs new...

2001-07-05 Thread Jaros³aw Brzeziñski

I can understand your sentiments of holding those older lens for the 
very pleasure of the feeling they give. They do give a 
different "feel" or "touch" and this goes true for about any 
manufacturer: manual focus lenses display superios handling. My FA 
lenses were consumer optics and very plastickry indeed. Nevertheless 
certain AF lenses do offer better optical performance despite the 
downside of being less pleasant to use in manual focus mode. I can 
recall purchasing lots of manual focus Pentax lenses for peanuts and 
loving to own and handle them. But the truth is that I took most - 
and best - shots with FA consumer zomms at that time. Strange thing 
to reflect upon.

Artur Ledóchowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał / wrote: 

> Hi,
> Being on the used equipment market I had the chance to see a lot of 
older
> Pentax (and non-Pentax) lenses: Takumars, M's and A's. Most of them 
are of
> course primes, although some zooms appeared too. I bought two in 
the last
> two months: SMC M 50mm/f2 and SMC A 28mm/f2,8. Gee, what a 
different "touch"
> they have, comparing to the contemporary plastic stuff. They look 
solid,
> professional, elegant, serious... perhaps "classic" is the right 
word...
> Nowadays consumer grade lenses look like toys - very fragile, light 
(too
> light?) etc... I don't especially like the construction of the FA 
lenses -
> my 80-200/f4,7-5,6, although optically very good, seems so fragile, 
that I
> have constant, subconscious fear of breaking it...
> Those old lenses have such a "feeling", that I cought myself 
holding them
> for just a pleasure of... holding:)) Seems like I've got some 
collector
> tendencies...
> Greetz
> Artur
> =="There are signs on the 
ring,
>   Which make me feel so down.
>   There's one to enslave all rings,
>   To find them all in time
>   And drive them into darkness.
>   Forever they'll be bound."
> Blind Guardian "Lord of the Ring"
> 
> 
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Re: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Nicholas Wright wrote:

> > The K1000 is a bit overpriced nowadays. Still, it is
[...]

> High prices? Huh? For a K1000? I've bought two K1000s
> in both in superb condition for about $70-$80 each.
> You just have to know where to look. :) 

You're right, I was mostly thinking ebay when I wrote that. They have
been going for ~$130 there, if you don't count the ocassional "Buy it
Now" bargain.

j

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Re: OT: LumiQuest

2001-07-05 Thread Jaros³aw Brzeziñski

LumiQuest staff is mounted via Velcro and thus can be adapted to 
heads of most shoe-mount and bracket flash heads. It will fit your 
Sunpack. However, it does not work miracles. Many years ago I 
purchased one of "Ultrasoft" devices by LumiQuest and was 
disappointed by results: it took much light (about 3 stops) and gave 
very harsh shadows when used on my Metz 40 MZ-2.

Artur Ledóchowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał / wrote: 

> Hi,
> My friend is going to the USA next weekend and I want him to get 
there some
> LumiQuest stuff for me, like 80/20 and Pocket Bouncer. Since 
there's no
> LumiQuest equipment available in Poland, I haven't had any 
experience with
> it so far. I have the Sunpack MZ440AF flash and I'd like to know if 
that
> equipment fits it. I heard that it had universal "mount" - one can 
put it on
> various flashes. Is that true? In what way is the LumiQuest 
equipment
> "mounted"?
> Thx in advance...
> Artur
> =="There are signs on the 
ring,
>   Which make me feel so down.
>   There's one to enslave all rings,
>   To find them all in time
>   And drive them into darkness.
>   Forever they'll be bound."
> Blind Guardian "Lord of the Ring"
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Interesting item on eBay web site

2001-07-05 Thread John Francis

 

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> Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site
> 
> I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest 
> personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested.
> 
> Title of item:Pentax Super Program 35 mm Camera Outfit


You *saw* the item at eBay?   So it's just a coincidence that
your email address seems to match that given by the seller ...


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Re: OT: Tiger's Maw

2001-07-05 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.

Texdance wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
> >I want a wall-sized (meters on a side -- 3mx4m or larger) macro shot 
> >staring down into the center of an orange tiger lilly with enough depth 
> >of field that the (stamens?) projecting into the foreground are sharp, 
> 
> That's not a difficult shot - just take most any 35mm
> camera and 100mmm lens, stop down to f22, and shoot
> with a subject distance of 36 inches. The DOF would be
> about 4.4 inches. 
> 
> It's the enlargement that's challenging. The 35mm shot
> described above will give a field of view of 7.6 x 11.5
> inches, so you would be looking at having several
> lilies in the photo. 

You know, it never even occurred to me to back up for DOF
and use just a small portion of the negative.  (The composition
I'm thinking of wouldn't even include the entire lilly, BTW.
The photos I was looking at that gave me the idea were ones 
I shot with a 50mm on a bellows (on a Spotmatic).))

> Sure, you could enlarge this to any size. The
> determining factor for "sharpness" at wall-size
> (assuming you used hi-res film/lens to take a sharp
> photo, and got a sharp enlargement) is the viewing
> distance.

I'm thinking 2-3 meters.  It would be seen from much
farther away, but I want the effect to work when the
viewer is close enough that the image takes up a huge
portion of their field of view.  Close enough for that
"falling into it" feeling to kick in.  If it doesn't
look _razor_sharp_ at 2 meters, it'll probably still 
be okay, but I'd like it to be pretty darned sharp at
3 meters.

> The tilt-and-swing guys have a technique to get more
> DOF from a given focal length. 

Oh?  I _vaguely_ recall hearing something about this 
before, but I don't understand how it works.  Sounds
useful.

> Or maybe
> there is some slice-and-dice computer methodology using
> multiple images to get one sharp composite.

Another thing that hadn't occured to me -- I'm going to
have to play with the math a bit and see if I can figure
anything out.

-- Glenn

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Re: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread Pentax Clover

Hello
The MZ-5n is in fact the ZX-5n as far as in Japan, there used to sell only
MZ-3
Sorry for the surprise
See you

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>  Another MZ series camera!  The Pentax Japan Home Page has just
> introduced the new Pentax MZ-5n.  If any Japanese linguists could
translate
> we greatly appreciate it.
>  The item is list under New Products with a July 5th date!  The camera
> has an all black body!  And it does NOT have the slanted top of the MZ-S.
>  Alexander Grigolia
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Re: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread Todd Stanley


The K1000 became a classic both because it was seen as an ideal student
camera with just the basic controls, and none of that fancy stuff, and many
photo teachers recommend it (but I would think they would want DOF preview,
but that's another thread).  It also gained a reputation back in it's day
as a quality, dependable, rugged camera while still being cheaper than the
competition.  In later years, as it's been pointed out, many of the parts
were changed from metal to plastics, and the quality went down. 

Now a days, I think the K1000 is overpriced on the used market, probably
from beginners buying one just because somebody told them too, not
realizing there are better cameras out there for that price.  If you like
the K bodies, I would get a KX or a K2 as these were the top of the line.
Or if you want to combine the compact size of the ME with the fully
mechanical and manual K1000, seek out a MX.  Of course, if you can get your
K1000 back for 20 quid, I would do that...  Always nice to have a second body.

Todd

At 10:05 PM 7/5/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi
>Having returned to serious photography after a good few years out.
>
>I am amazed at the prices people are paying for the K1000 and the like.
>
>The K1000 was my first serious camera 20 years ago. Were they really that
>good ?
>
>I always thought they were pretty basic. I had mine a couple of years and
>changed to an OM2 and thought this was a huge leap forward in terms of
>metering lens quality handling etc.
>
>I am currently using an ME which I probably think is superior, although I
>have not picked up a K1000 for many years.
>
>The real question is do I need to call up my mate who bought it off me for
>20 quid 15 years ago and remind him it was just a long term loan and he can
>have his 20 quid back :-)
>
>regards Jez
>
>

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Re: Trouble with adapter "K"

2001-07-05 Thread Jaros³aw Brzeziñski

The problem is that this Russian lens comes with an adapter for 
Russian "K-mount" cameras. This adapter will never fit the lens you 
have purchased on an original Pentax body. The bad news is that you 
have to spend the extra bucks on the original Pentax adapter. The 
good news is that you have purchsed a very chep lens thta is not so 
bad...

Christopher Lillja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał / wrote: 

> I recently purchased a nifty Jupiter 9 85/2 in M42 screwmount. It 
came with a decent looking adapter K. 
> 
> (The whole thing was cheaper than two cases of Heineken. Yes I 
realize this lens is probably NOT to be mentioned in the same breath 
with a real Pentax 85/2 but hey for $50 and besides I really like 
my Kiev MF lenses, especially on a Mamiya 645. Anyway...)   
> 
> I realize this is probably a substandard adapter unit but I'd love 
to try this cool little lens on my K1000 or MZ5.
> 
> Is there a trick to fitting this? The adapter doesn't want to mount 
up to any of my bodies. If I fit the adapter to the lens, still no 
go. I sure as heck ain't gonna force it!
> 
> Alternately, what is the best source for a quality adapter? B&H 
doesn't seem to list the real Pentax item. Is the real Pentax adapter 
worth the extra $? Does anyone have experience with good non-Pentax 
adapters?
> 
> Hey, I'll be fitting up my MZ5 with a CZJ 180/2.8 from my Kiev 
outfit If I can get this goingPentacon 6 to M42 is pretty easy!
> 
> I'm on digest, please answer directly. 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Chris Lillja
> School Publications Guy
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Re: PZ-1 Questions

2001-07-05 Thread Nicholas Wright

I'm sure there's a technique out there somewhere but
I've never seen it. But you can definetly tell when
the subject is in focus. To me the image just pops, in
the finder. Of course, in difficult situations I do
depend on the focus indicator. I must also say that
I've been blessed with fairly sharp eyesight and that
this may not be possible without it. :) Interestingly
enough, I've recently seen an article about how SI
screens might be bad for that type of thing, cannot
remember at the moment where I saw that. I'll try to
find it again, and let you all know.

Nick

--- Jimmy James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you Nick, it does help indeed.
> 
> How does one aquire critical focus on when using
> large f-stops ? Surely the
> plain screen wont allow me the accuracy of the split
> image will it?
> 
> JJ


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Re: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread Frank Theriault

I agree with you about the on/off switch, Tom.  That's one reason that I've
avoided Spotmatic F's.  Walk around without the lens cap on (gotta be ready to
take that piccie, right?), or even worse, leave the lens cap off when you get
home and leave the camera on a table or something, and your (increasingly hard
to get) mercury cells won't last long!

-frank

aimcompute wrote:

> DOF preview and I would have liked an on/off switch.
>
> Tom C.
>

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Re: What's all the fuss about the DOF Preview

2001-07-05 Thread Frank Theriault

I dunno, Bill.  To me, one of the main advantages of an slr over a rangefinder
camera is that you see (almost) exactly what the film sees.  Including dof when
you stop down.

You're right that doing it "by the numbers" is a good exercise, and good to know
how to do, but nothing beats seeing it through the viewfinder, imho.

As far as the darker viewfinder making viewing the image "relatively worthless",
I've used bodies with stop-down metering exclusively for the past 30 years or so.
I guess if I can get used to it, anyone can!  :-)

regards,
frank

"Bill D. Casselberry" wrote:

> Well, the "student" *should* learn DOF "by the numbers", as in
> via a DOF scale on the lens and/or a DOF chart. This will give
> him/her an innate sense of DOF at various aperture/focal length
> combos and effectively negate the "need" for the convenience of
> a preview function (which usually so darkens the viewfinder as to
> be relatively worthless).
>
> ... just some thoughts from a guy who learned DOF from books and
> hands-on experience w/ old 6x6 folders and rangefinders ;^)
>
> Bill
>
>

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K1000 versions

2001-07-05 Thread Mark D.

Hey Folks,

I don't know much about the K1000 so I'm wondering how you would tell if a
K1000 is one of the older Japanese made ones vs. the later ones that
utilized more plastic.

Thanks in advance,

Mark

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Re: OT: Tiger's Maw

2001-07-05 Thread Dan Scott

>I was looking through some of my recent tiger lilly photos, trying
>to decide which ones to get enlarged, and how large, when I realized
>what photo of a lilly I want:
>
>I want a wall-sized (meters on a side -- 3mx4m or larger) macro shot
>staring down into the center of an orange tiger lilly with enough depth
>of field that the (stamens?) projecting into the foreground are sharp,
>large enough that when you stand in front of it, you'll feel as though
>you're about to fall in.  _Ideally_ I'd like to take the photo myself,
>but that's not as important as _having_ it.
>
>Now the question is:  how would I go about getting this?  That's a
>lot of DOF to ask for at that magnification (and then there's the
>question of whether I could get it sharp enough in 35mm for that
>enlargement).  How feasible would this shot be in MF?  LF?
>
>Somehow I think it's going to be a long time before I have that
>photo.  OTOH, it's more likely to happen than the painting that's
>been stuck in my head for twenty years that I can't paint.  (Sometimes
>the muse is very cruel.)
>
>   -- Glenn, writing a new
>  jig today.

Hey Glenn,

It's much easier to paint big than small. Time to borrow or rent an opaque
or slide projector and get yourself a couple of nice paint brushes (or, if
you want to go low tech, draw a grid on your print and use a $5 chalkline
to scale up the grid on your wall). Even though your original image may not
be sharp enough to blow up as large as you wish, when you draw/trace and
then paint the edges, you can make them as sharp as you like.

Dan Scott
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RE: July PUG Ramblings

2001-07-05 Thread William D. Sawyer

Tom,

Thank you for the comment.  I tried to get the little guy to smile, but saying 
"cheez!" didn't work.  "Nuts!" might've been better, huh?  Wrong species, I guess

I'm with you in my reaction to the PUG. Whenever I start to feel I'm good at this, 
that I can create strong images, I see what others are doing, and realize how much 
more I should work on.  

And yeah, I'm beginning to agree with whomever said that this list and the PUG are 
among the best things PENTAX offers. 

BTW, the Michigan Pugsters, at the behest of Mark Dalal, will be meeting Saturday, 
July 14, at the Kellogg Bird Sanctuary near Battle Creek. If anyone within driving 
distance is interested in joining us, we would love to have you. 9 AM, bring your most 
intriguing piece of equipment!  Mark has promised to put a commemorative page up on 
his web site.


Bill Sawyer
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Subject: July PUG Rambilings


" Inquisitive " by  Bill Sawyer, USA
Cute Shot Bill.  Good posing job you did. I like the highlights in the
little guys eye.


I always feel enriched by the PUG.  It's often like going on a hike or
taking a trip around the world.  I am amazed this month by the creativity I
see in the shots and the eye for detail and beauty that's demonstrated by
the submissions.  It's inspiring and educational (both photographically and
otherwise).  Thanks to all the contributors and maintainers.

Tom C.





















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RE: What is all the fuss about the K1000

2001-07-05 Thread Amita Guha

> The K1000 is a bit overpriced nowadays. Still, it is a solid camera,
> and it was made until 1997 I think, so you can get them in very good
> shape.

I bought mine about a month ago, for exactly the reason that it would leave
me no automatic functions to fall back on. I bought mine at a camera store,
for more than the going price on ebay, so that I could see what I was buying
before I paid for it.

Knowing what I've learned from reading the PDML for the last couple of
weeks, I'll probably pick up a K2 or something similar as a second body, but
I don't regret starting with the K1000 and I'm going to keep using it
regularly.

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Pentax Magazine

2001-07-05 Thread Paul C
http://www.pentaxmagazine.co.uk/
 
Just wondering if anyone had ever read or subscribed to it. Good? Bad?
 
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Re: K1000 versions

2001-07-05 Thread Chris Brogden

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Mark D. wrote:

> Hey Folks,
> 
> I don't know much about the K1000 so I'm wondering how you would tell if a
> K1000 is one of the older Japanese made ones vs. the later ones that
> utilized more plastic.

It was probably a gradual evolution of sorts, but I know the later ones
don't have the "Asahi" on the pentaprism, and they have plastic instead of
metal top plates.

chris

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Help - Trying to find/buy K55 f1.8

2001-07-05 Thread Bob Rapp



I missed out on one in New Zealand and was out bid 
on Ebay! Actually, I am looking for 3 K lenses. The 28 f3.5, 55 f1.8 and 105 
f2.8. If any one wants to part with any of these, please respond 
off-line
 
Regards,
 
Bob Rapp[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: K1000 versions

2001-07-05 Thread Bob Rapp

The original has "Made in Japan" engraved on the back of the top plate. The
middle series was assembled in
Malaysia and the plastics were made in Hong Kong. No matter which series is
available, it seems the used price is higher than what they were new.

I was fortunate to buy the Japan Model in like new condition for 125 USD. I
actually swapped a Plastic model for a MX in excellent/non-pro condition.
Both the dealer and I were over the moon.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:37 PM
Subject: K1000 versions


> Hey Folks,
>
> I don't know much about the K1000 so I'm wondering how you would tell if a
> K1000 is one of the older Japanese made ones vs. the later ones that
> utilized more plastic.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mark
>
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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread Peter Alling

Get a Malamute, (the dog not the Indian or should I politically correct and 
say Native American) bears are reportedly afraid of them.  I don't know why 
mine was largely a pussycat.

At 12:56 PM 7/5/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Pepper spray is on our list to get.  Also we just got a Blue Heeler pup.
>Not much help right now of course, but it seems animals become aware of
>potentially dangerous intruders before humans and can be an advance warning
>system.
>
>Thanks for the links.
>
>Tom C.
>
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>From: "Michel Adam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:01 PM
>Subject: Some perspective...
>
>
> >
> > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:29 AM
> > Subject: OT: Firearms was Howdy Digest folks! (with photo element)
> >
> >
> > > >My biggest weapon is a 2 foot long Mighty Mag flashlight.  It's black
>and
> > > >very manly.  The bear didn't like it.  He was eating stale Fritos.
>That was
> > > >OK, I didn't want them.  His eyes just glowed back at me in an
>exquisite
> > > >emerald green.  Then he wuffed and walked up the driveway after
>finishing
> > > >the corn chips.
> > >
> > > Great Scott, man! Did you get a few frames of this encounter?
> > > 'Bear-in-garden PUG' on the cards maybe???
> > >
> > > Cotty
> > >
> >
> > Just to put things in perspective:
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun4_01bear.html
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun6_01edit.html
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun11_01bear.html
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun13_01bear1.html
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun13_01bear.html
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun18_01bear.html
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun22_01high.html
> >
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun22_01bear.html
> >
> > ( http://www.nnsl.com/ and then do a search for 'bear' )
> >
> > I normally don't carry a firearm, but I do carry pepper spray.
> >
> > Wilderness starts 500 meters before the last beer bottle...
> >
> > Michel Adam
> > Yellowknife, N.W.T.
> >
> >
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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread Peter Alling

By the way a big brown bear like a grizzly will open your car like a 
sardine can if it wants to.

At 02:18 PM 7/5/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>The last time I even left food sitting *outside* in the campsite was in 1989
>at Rocky Mountain National Park.  We had eaten fried trout and hush puppies
>for dinner.  Around 4:00 AM there was something at our table (now know it
>was raccoons).  But for that thirty minutes or so in the tent, hearing the
>pot/pans get knocked over and the grunting/licking sounds... it convinced me
>never to leave food out.
>
>Everything including the ice chest gets locked up tight in the back of the
>car, including the dirty dishes and campstove if we didn't get time to wash
>them.
>
>Tom C.
>
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> >
> >
> > >
> > > They put their food into their tent and climbed
> > > in behind
> > > it?
> >
> > Dumb, Thats why I carry a .308 camping Just in case.
> >
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Re: Firearms was Howdy Digest folks! (with photo element)

2001-07-05 Thread Peter Alling

Bears are the most indestructible animal in the western hemisphere.  The 
skull of a bear
has a slope that is reminiscent of the passive armor on a tank, bullets 
bounce off of it.
The bear was not perturbed because it didn't consider you a threat.

At 06:19 PM 7/5/2001 -0600, Tom wrote:
>:-)
>
>What I find interesting in the two close encounters I've had with bears is
>that they have seemed imperturbable.  In one case years ago I went out and
>beat on a frying pan with a metal spoon.  The bear didn't care, he kept on
>licking the Blackberry brandy bottle.  In this case I had the flashlight
>shining in his eyes for a good 2 - 3 minutes.  I thought he would either
>walk away or come after me.  I can only conclude you are correct.  He was
>waiting for the salsa and finished the chips after running out of patience.
>
>Tom C.
>
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> > That's understandable. You had to rush back inside for some stale salsa
>for
> > the stale corn chips!!
> >
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Re: Some perspective...

2001-07-05 Thread Michel Adam


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> 
> 
> Michel Adam wrote:
> > 
> > Just to put things in perspective:
> > 
> > http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/archive01-1/jun01/jun4_01bear.html
> > 
> [more links snipped]
> 
> 
> Thanks for all of those articles on the joy of city life.
> 
> Bob, New York City

I neglected to mention that pepper spray is equally effective with two legged bears as 
well.
Unless they are on PCP...

Your milleage may vary.

Michel


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Ebay auction

2001-07-05 Thread Jim Apilado

I see where a minty Pentax F 100mm f2.8 Macro lens went for $345 on eBay.
I believe B&H is selling a 100mm FA f2.8 Macro for $199.  Is the F Macro
that much better than the FA Macro at B&H to command such a high price  at
eBay?

Jim A. 
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Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1251500453: Pentax Super Program 35 mm Camera Outfit

2001-07-05 Thread John Glover

Interesting, you'd think a pro photographer would at least have an AF200T (though the 
AF280T would be the more obvious choice I think) for his "pro" outfit.  I mean, why 
both to get a Super Program, which has TTL flash, then cripple the capabilities by 
using a non-TTL flash unit on it.  Plus, I find the use of the 135/2.5 Tak to be 
another interesting "pro" choice here.

Also, isn't it clever who disengagedman also happens to have the rhstamps web site as 
a part of his description.  It certainly does make one wonder how he just happened to 
"find" this item..or yeahhe's a  "pro"

Looks more like someone who spammed the photo newsgroups and mail lists to me.

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Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1251500453: Pentax Super Program 35 mm 
Camera Outfit


> I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, 
>and thought that you might be interested.
> 
> Title of item: Pentax Super Program 35 mm Camera Outfit
> Seller: disengagedman
> Starts: Jun-29-01 17:54:13 PDT
> Ends: Jul-09-01 17:54:13 PDT
> Price: Starts at $350.00
> To bid on the item, go to: 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1251500453
> 
> 
> Item Description: 
> The Disengaged man is a professional photographer with a fine art studio in Buffalo, 
>NY area (Collins, NY 25 miles south) who has upgraded his equipment.
> 
> -  Pentax Super Program 35mm Camera Outfit (Rated #1 in 
>Consumers Reports) Shot only 15 rolls of film Ex++   
>Condition
> 
> -  Pentax Super Program 35 mm SLR Body
> -  Pentax SMCP 35-105 f.3.5 Zoom Lens
> -  Pentax Motor Drive A ($500+ New)
> -  Pentax Takumar Bayonet Mt 135 f. 2.5 telephoto lens
> -  Pentax SA 200 Flash (dedicated to Super Program)
> -  Skylight Filter
> 
> REFERENCES:  See website www.rhstamps.com  Look under resume.
> 
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Re: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page

2001-07-05 Thread David A. Mann

Alexander Grigolia writes:

>  It might just be a new black finish!  But it sure looks different in 
> black!

 The MZ-5n has been around for a while, known in some parts of the world as 
the ZX-5n.  But I think a black version would be new.

Cheers,


- Dave

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MZ-S

2001-07-05 Thread David A. Mann

Hi all,

 I had the pleasure of a 5-minute play with an MZ-S last night.  To anyone who 
hasn't seen it yet, don't look at it unless you can afford one.

 I'm going to echo what others have said and say that its size and weight 
amazed me.  So small and light, and the body still felt really strong.

 I think the sloping top is a really good idea as you don't have to lean over the 
top of the camera to check or change your settings.

 I didn't get much of a play with the AF but I was suitably impressed at its 
ability to automatically pick the right focus sensor, and its ability to track 
movement from one sensor to another.

 It seemed pretty easy to use but after being so used to the Z-1p it would take 
a little getting used to (I really should use the K2 more).  I don't totally like the 
placement of the control dial because I'm left-eyed and wear glasses, so I end 
up with the knuckle of my thumb on the right-hand lens of my glasses.  This 
also happens with my Z-1p, especially when I use the metering buttons on the 
back.

 I also wasn't very impressed with the tiny little viewfinder but I could easily see 
the whole thing (remember I wear glasses).  I didn't check the eyepiece for 
plastic or glass.  The camera had been sold to someone else and I didn't want 
to risk making any marks on it.

 It does sound very quiet after the Z-1p, but it didn't have film in it so the 
winder only had to cock the shutter.  I would love to see the data imprinting as 
well.  If anyone wants to scan a full-width film strip to show us exactly what it 
looks like, that would be appreciated.

 I didn't have any time to get to grips with the exposure 
compensation/bracketing dial.  I do wonder how easily the metering pattern 
and film-drive-mode switches could break off.

 From what I've seen and heard I would definitely like one but the finance 
department is a little weak right now, particularly if I buy the A*300/4 I'm 
looking at.  I reckon this would be a great wildlife camera.  Small, light, tough, 
quiet and good AF.  If only I had a long AF lens :)

Cheers,


- Dave

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RE: Slide Labeling Codes

2001-07-05 Thread John Coyle

On Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:56 AM, Paul Jones [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am in the middle of organising my slides and I'm wondering what 'codes'
> other people use to label their slides? I will be keeping them in those
> transperant sleaves you can buy to put in a folder.
>
> I plan to keep a database on my computer so i can reference which codes goes
> with which slide.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Jones

Hi Paul:
For years I've used an alpha -numeric system, in which the alpha part indicates 
the subject and the numeric part is simply a sequential number, in the form 
AA-999.  When numbering , I initially use a step of 10 so that I can then 
insert slides into the sequence without the numbers going haywire.  For 
example, sunsets are catalogued D-xxx, and the first one was numbered D-10, 
then D-20, and so on.  I find this very flexible, and you can have up to 
26*26*1000 slides under a single alpha classification!
I used to use a paper-based system for cataloguing, but now use the database 
system which I wrote myself and was tested by a couple of PDML people earlier 
this year (any feedback, guys?).  It's fully searchable, lets you store any 
data about the image, runs on any Windows system, and also shows a thumbnail of 
the image if you've stored it on your computer.


HTH

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

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Re: What's all the fuss about the DOF Preview

2001-07-05 Thread Bill D. Casselberry


 I wrote:

> > ... just some thoughts from a guy who learned DOF from books and
> > hands-on experience w/ old 6x6 folders and rangefinders  ;^)

  ... then Frank wrote:
 
> I dunno, Bill.  To me, one of the main advantages of an slr over 
> a rangefinder camera is that you see (almost) exactly what the 
> film sees.  Including dof when you stop down.

Oh - don't get me wrong, I agree that SLRs are worlds better  :)
 
> You're right that doing it "by the numbers" is a good exercise, 
> and good to know how to do, but nothing beats seeing it through 
> the viewfinder, imho.

Right - as you, I use a rather "crippled" combo of SuperProgram
w/ m42 Takumars via the K-adapter for 95% of my photographing. I
am effectively in "Permamnent DOF Preview Mode" since exposure
must be made "at aperture". However, after having used the old
6x6 folder and then a few Canonets for earlier years in my latest
round of "interest photographic", I just got my first SLR's a mere
5 or so years ago. By then I had become aware enough of DOF effects
that I rarely relied on the mechanical preview - rather just the 
scales on the Takumars. Much easier than the charts I carried around
w/ the non-SLR cameras. I like that my 6x9 Bessa II has a DOF scale
incorporated into the focusing knob (no need for charts :^) 
 
> As far as the darker viewfinder making viewing the image "relatively 
> worthless", I've used bodies with stop-down metering exclusively 
> for the past 30 years or so.

... as above - I'm usually in "Permanent DOF Preview Mode" and am 
rather used to framing in the darkened viewfinder, knowing that 
my DOF is sufficient for my intentions. 

> I guess if ... < We! > ... can get used to it, anyone can!  :-)

Bill 

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