Spotmatic F Open Ap Metering
Owner manual: You can download SP F english owner manual at: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/ go to page "telechargement" (download in French!) Amitiés de France, Michel - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax-A 35-210 3.5-4.5
> george de fockert wrote: > > > Personally I think that it is not made by pentax, > > I find the construction very 'unpentax' > > - The aperture ring shows some backsides from screws. > > - The stray light is prevented by some furry tube shifting in and out with > > the zooming translation > > Both I have not seen in any other pentax lens. > > > > George > > Do you mean that is just 'different' or is the build quality poorer? > > Nenad > > Just different, build quality is like every early 80's metal lens. much better than the current plastic crap. George - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: August Gallery
And to compound the mistake, I misspelled his name. That would be Geordie Clarke who I muffed on. Bill - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: August Gallery > Through the magic of stupidity, I managed to not put Geordie > Clarks thumbnail image onto the index page. > Please have another look at the gallery, his very nice image is > linked in on the second from bottom line of the thumbnails. > Thanks > William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 2 B/W shots + film for pro & not
I don't understand why nobody buys Astia either. I've been a fan since it came out. To tie this in with Scooter's other thread, I'd think about taking Astia to the car show and look for a white car to shoot. This film has some clean white, maybe the cleanest I've seen, and if you offset it with like some yellow roses, there's not a film on the planet that can handle it better. Or for more fun, set some pearls in there... hmmm. Like a 1970 Jaguar XKE. Detail shots to include the scooped out headlight well... Doug wonder if there's a car show here At 2:17 PM -04008/1/01, Aaron Reynolds wrote, or at least typed: >I do agree, however, about Astia! I can't understand why nobody buys >this film. Astia rules the roost. Spectacular skintones, and a blue >sky that can't be beat. Not as zany as Velvia, but still lots of >saturation. AND it does a great job in direct sunlight. Anyhow, I >can't for the life of me convince my customers, who all are enamoured of >Provia 100F. In fact, I just had five rolls of Astia expire on me...the >first rolls of film to have stuck around long enough in the store to >expire! That means that last year I only sold 15 rolls of Astia 35mm >(and probably I shot a few of those...mostly I shoot it 120 in mister >67). Eek! > >-Aaron >who has five rolls of Astia to shoot on his trip to Georgian Bay this >weekend ;) -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
August Gallery
Through the magic of stupidity, I managed to not put Geordie Clarks thumbnail image onto the index page. Please have another look at the gallery, his very nice image is linked in on the second from bottom line of the thumbnails. Thanks William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus
I dropped one of my LX's in three feet of running water, reached in picked it out, gt a resistor repalaced and it still works 6 year later In a message dated 7/31/01 8:52:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Based on these experiences it was a hard decision when I had a choice of buying an LX or a Z1 at the same price (secondhand). The Z1 won (that's a pun!) and I'm very happy with it but I sure wish it was weathersealed (and that it had a metal case). Nenad >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA*80-200 mm f/2.8 ED
Got it? Great! See below. At 9:16 PM -04008/1/01, Mark Roberts wrote, or at least typed: >OK some questions on this beast: > >What does the PZ/AZ/MODE switch do? >How about the pushbutton next to it? PZ = Power Zoom. The switch should be set here when using power zoom (!). AZ = Auto Zoom. For when you want to use Auto Zoom. MODE = Auto zoom Set Okay, the AZ is where your Image Size Tracking, Zoom Clip and Zoom Effect set of features live. I don't have my 80-200/2.8 booklet in front of me, but I'm pretty sure this is how it works: You hold the switch over on MODE and push the button to select which you'd like. Then, when you want to use them, you push the button. I'm sure someone who actually uses these functions will be glad to correct any mistakes I've made here. >Will Pentax still sell me a lens hood for this lens? I'm sure they'd be glad to. >Has anyone been injured from carrying one of these things around? Real Photographers carry it one-handed. See: http://www.alphoto.com/zuk3.jpg >Has anyone ever used one of these as a defensive weapon? >(If so, what was revealed in the autopsy of the attacker?) Blunt trauma, I'd think, and some questions about the PZ/AZ/MODE thing. >Could they possibly have made that front element 1/10 of a millimeter larger and >still fit it anto a 77mm filter ring? (I doubt it) They sure squeezed it in there, didn't they? > >Mark >(Off to shoot some photos and buy some 77mm filters (gulp). Good luck. I hear Singh Rays are good... Doug -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG
Whee!!! Two people actually liked that thing. Thats the bottom couple of feet of a 20 foot neon tube. Thanks Bill - Original Message - From: "Juan J. Buhler" < Subject: PUG > > "Neon Glow" by William Robb, Canada > Excellent, simple composition and palette. It works. Original Message - From: "Paul Jones" "Neon Glow" by William Robb, I like the funky pink colour :) What was it you were actually shooting? a neon sign? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Problem with Tamron Adaptall mount
I just purchased a new Tamron 90mm f/2.8 adaptall macro lens and a adaptall 2 mount for Pentax KA. The lens and mount work perfectly with an older K mount camera (no electronic contacts) but with my Pentax PZ-1P and ZX-7 autofocus cameras which have electrical contacts, it does not function correctly. The AE/32 aperture setting is equivalent to the "A" setting in my other Pentax lenses and that works fine on the Tamron. But when the aperture ring is moved to 2.8 through 22, the camera LCD show incorrect aperture information. For example, when I set the lens at "AE", the correct exposure is 1/125 and f/5.6. If I move the aperture ring to f/2.8, the camera lcd shows f/4 and 1/1000! If I move the aperture ring to f/4, the camera lcd shows f/19, 1/1000. At f/22, the lcd would show f/5.6 and 1/250. I followed the instruction and attached the mount to the lens. I notice that the connection between the lens and the mount is not completely solid (I mean I am still able to twist the lens slight back and forth with regard to the mount). Are there any Tamron adaptall users that can give me any suggestions? I have also sent an email to Tamron for assistance. Thanks in advance for any advice. NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA*80-200 mm f/2.8 ED
On Aug. 1, 2001, Mark Roberts wrote: > >OK some questions on this beast: >What does the PZ/AZ/MODE switch do? >How about the pushbutton next to it? The PZ/AZ mode switch on the lens controls the auto-zoom and power-zoom functions when using the lens with a PZ series camera. The button next to it is used to select and set the auto-zoom function (Image size tracking, zoom clip and zoom effect). Hope this helps. P. Ernest _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Kiss
On Aug. 1, 2001, Scooterman wrote: >So do we get to see the pics or not?!!! Not likely but nice try though. P. Ernest _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
More rants about auto vs manual camera learning
Cotty, Didn't mean to discredit any good teachers out there. My intent was to contrast very different, but proven learning styles as opposed to a direct analogy, but aparently I didn't portray it as such. I sincerely apologize. I would indeed be ignorant if I thought the ~only~ two teaching options were 1)auto camera 2)here's the manual, and your on your own. As you may have noticed (in previous posts as well), I get a little chapped when people say you can't learn ~effectively~ from an automatic SLR! Bull! That's why they have manual modes!Let me present the following scenario. Two kids turn 13 yrs old. One gets a manual camer for his birthday, the other gets an automatic camera. The next week they both go out with dad and fool around using different exposures to learn(the kid with the auto turned his on manual mode for the week per dads request). The next week, they head off to baseball camp. The kid with the automatic camera turns the thing on auto and comes back with some nice shots to send to grandpa. What's the big problem with that? Now the kids totally turned on to photography, and he goes back out with dad in manual mode to do some more learning! I am a man of balance, so I DO RECOGNIZE the value of the manual camera. The other kid with the manual will learn more about exposure, ect, in X-amount of weeks/months because he is forced to; but only if that particular child has the patience to learn that way. I know people that used manual cameras in photo classes, and learned alot, but they also used Point and Shoots "around the house". I pose this question; What the heck is wrong with learning on a camera that does both! I'll get off my soapbox with this final point showing both aspects: There ~ARE~ those that don't have the discipline to put an auto-camera in manual to learn, but there are ~also~ those who don't have the patience to learn on manual 100% of the time! Again, no discredit intented to all you teachers. I have a deep appreciation for you guys (and gals) Heck, we're all teaching something to somebody about photography! One must find what works best for him. Cheers and Regards to All -Jeff Cotty wrote: I'm sorry Jeff, but I wasn't going to contribute anymore to this thread, but this post simply cannot go without comment! By your assumption, you seem to presume that by getting a non-auto camera, one is 'throwing one's child into the deep end'. I outright refute that suggestion! In no way would I do that to my, or any child, or in fact anyone learning from me. I have always had the privelage of teaching people the principles of photography and/or film-making in a gentle manner, which in no way sees anyone 'thrown off the end of the dock'. I think you will find that ANYONE who knows their stuff would NOT do this to someone learning. Obviously I can only confirm my own case, but I think your posting more or less tars all the 'manuals' with the same brush there, and I can only tell you that you are most definately wrong! Again, I say: any technique with teaching *can* work. The world would indeed be a boring place if we were all the same... Ha-blooming-rumph! Cotty - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus
I agree with most of your points but not all. I certainly agree that the autofocus LX will never be made. It may be fun to speculate about what it should or should not have but it will never be made. (as an aside: I believe the limited lenses some of us think are for the new LX are really going to be for the digital MZ-S Pentax is working on. They are the closest thing to 'retro' Pentax will get. I believe the MZ-S is the LX replacement that the president is talking about. It's how the company has been marketing the camera and to tell you the truth, in many ways, it is an autofocus LX.) As far as marketing goes: I just received the full-sized brochure for the MZ-S and I think Pentax's strongest marketing position is selling the camera on its compact size, much like the LX and MX were marketed. That, afterall, is what makes the MZ-S special and unique. It may not attract many professionals (not unlike the LX) but it is a professional calibre camera aimed at advanced amateurs -- most of whom can take better pictures than many pros. Just my 2cents worth... Vic Canada, Ontario to be more exact... In a message dated 7/31/01 7:01:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[4]: LX with AF, realy it works !
Alexander Krohe wrote: > The LX measures light in two different ways: > -- For the viewfinder indication, the LX measures the > light that is reflected from a secondary mirror onto > the metering cell (this value is stored in the camera > CPU). I read that only 15% of the light passes to the metering cell when the mirror is down which is why the LX metering cannot be as accurate in manual mode as in auto. This is probably why Pentax decided not to fit AE lock and spot meter functions. Nenad - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Mz-S Thumbs Up Redux
It's been a couple weeks (and 16 rolls of film (thank-you data imprinting)) since I got the Mz-S, so here's an update on impressions and comments about this camera. Handling: This remains a strong point. I can't believe how quickly and easily I've gotten into using this camera. My initial concerns about bumping the little switches for drive mode and metering have not been validated. In fact, I'm happy to note that the switches can be easily set with the right thumb to make changes on the fly. Though not directly tied to the Mz-S, I'm very pleased with the 'kit' I've managed to build around this camera. My 'walk around' kit with the LX consists of the LX, A50 f1.4, A 28 135 f4, Vivitar Series 1 19 35, Tokina ATX 100 300 f4, and AF280T. The Mz-S kit consists of the Mz-S, FA 50 f1.7, FA 28-105 (power zoom), F 17 28 fisheye zoom, FA 80 320, and AF500FTZ flash. The latter kit, while generally slower (aperture wise) is a fraction of the weight of the former and fits in a much smaller bag. AF: Fast and accurate. I've never been much of an AF user and if the camera is on a tripod I switch it off. I went to my wife's class reunion last weekend and shot a few people shots, and the AF worked well. The placement of the sensors is great sufficiently far apart and the ability to lock one sensor comes in handy. It was especially nice to lock in a side sensor using the F 17 28. The 'missing' bottom center AF sensor, while offending my sense of symmetry, has not proven to be a problem. Metering: After a few beers last weekend I got tired of thinking and flipped the camera into evaluative metering. It worked quite well. For spontaneous one-time-only shots, it's a great feature. I shot a fair amount of slide film with the camera (generally in CW metering) and the exposures look to be spot on. I struggled with the mandatory half or full stop bracketing (I usually bracket in 0.7 stops) but have not found it to be a practical problem. (If anything, this camera is teaching me to quit wasting time on specmanship, and make fundamental decisions about shots quickly.) Film Imprinting: This is a great tool for learning what's going on. Flash: Surprisingly, the Mz-S and AF500FTZ make a great pair. I'm surprised because the flash is a big hefty unit, and I expected it to not go well with the rather small size of the Mz-S. But they work together beautifully. I do miss a separate flash exposure setting. I have not used the Mz-S for handheld macro shots, where I would really want an X Synch of 1/250, but for general shooting the 1/180 X-Synch is fine. Battery Usage: I was surprised to see the low battery indicator kick in on the last roll. Granted, I've done a lot of fiddling and filmless shooting with the camera, but I've shot few flash shots. The batteries I used were Duracells from the local drug store, and though the expiration date is 2010, my experience with the copper-tops has generally not been good. I'm waiting for the batteries to die for good, and will try a pair of Sanyo's as replacements. But this did prompt me to order the battery grip. Overall, I remain very happy with this camera, though it is a bit of a paradox. It is very feature rich, but in a way very spartan. I'm reminded of a parable: A guy sits down in his living room and looks outside. The window is dirty and he thinks 'What an ugly window!' He washes it and comes back in. He looks outside and thinks 'What a beautiful window!' but then realizes that the window is beautiful only because he doesn't notice it any more. Cameras are a window to the world, and the Mz-S does everything to give you the tools you need, but never screams 'Look at me and all my gadgetry!' Rather the counter point to some other SLR's on the market these days. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professionals -- Markov says...
Hi, Juan, Hey, I was only joking! I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. But thanks for taking the trouble to respond. regards, frank "Juan J. Buhler" wrote: > > To Frank and all the people who asked about getting this Markov chain > script: > > I didn't write the original script. A coworker of mine did. I wouldn't > feel confortable giving it away, since it's not my program. > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
the gallery, finally
So it WAS I who posted that I was having trouble waiting for each months incarnation of the gallery to appear. Guess It's my fault that the gods of the net decided to make us wait for this one a little longer. For that I am sorry. After a quick trip through the shots, The ones that made me say DAMN!: Mark Roberts -Leicester Square Carousel Those images look ghostly! Jostein Oksne-Night Pipe That green smoke is very very cool Allen Moller-Sanary Sur Mer at Dusk I like this so much I can't figure out how to say it. Tiger Moses- Arch at Night Was that a helicopter? Several ZX-5Ns used this month makes me feel better about just having purchased one. Now I've only to wait for it's arrival and figure out how to tell my wife. The Tax rebate having already been turned into carpet... Cory Waters Atlanta, GA USA P.S. The spell-checker in Outlook Express keeps trying to change the ZX from ZX-5N into "SEX"HAR!!! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professionals -- Markov says...
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Frank Theriault wrote: > Wow! Where do you get these Markov chain programmes? Can I get one too? To Frank and all the people who asked about getting this Markov chain script: I didn't write the original script. A coworker of mine did. I wouldn't feel confortable giving it away, since it's not my program. Besides, it's a powerful weapon, and it would be terrible if it fell in the wrong hands (you know who you are, guys :-) I'll look in the web for something similar, or maybe I'll try to write my own (the one my friend wrote has some limitations I think--it could and should try to keep sentences a bit more coherent.) If I come up with something, I'll let you know. j PS: Just for fun, here is what the script has to say about autofocus LXen, manual vs auto cameras, etc: --- While it may not going to the factory workers was simply a chrome version too :) And that LX in Japan - well, ridiculous. mechanical engineer I rarely meter anything of what you could just use an autofocus facade I would be able to take a new camera, from the camera. Being able to buy an much and =nobody bought them for the shutter priority could just remembered my premise that most would like. More importantly, it won't have a camera? Thanks. There's hardly any sense to any tonality I agree, this is the last twenty year old parts for aperture value to 645n. Then they will be possible without once calling anyone what you can only a new cameras as "any number large enough to come to shoot with different meaning and modify your exposure accurately is enough to tell us what we can probably still compatible with OTF? Nice camera with OTF? You're a camera says about everyone on my photography simple and straightforward. Simply a nerve, Doug ... Only the field, until the (redesigned) camera that the shutter with a group. And he says about the camera. Where is an intelligent guy, but I may offer. If I don't like that. But in the point that only speculation, and Shel bought one, but I agree, this is the features that it would 'contribute to the design or simply a camera it bother me an MZ-S. Being able to keep a regular built-in spot meter *in addition to* the last twenty years of these days of aperature value for the 35mm game is (and it's because it just lock the viewfinder simple, and the development of concentration, because you have features like a major design or cause Pentax going to break down you're using spot-metering this viewfinder!) plus new camera, planned obsolescence, cheap, second hand market for a camera in today's standards, not combine spot metering and looks like to 645n. As for whatever the camera with whatever the LX is pointing at. Chances are not built from the LX a few things. You would not define me. How is a non-OTF spot meter on auto pilot. Todd echoes my intent. Unfortunately, I rarely meter to cameras these features that an LX (and other methods. Oh, and whistles and screens are more opportunity for what to get what we can only is dominated by significant as opposed to think there is "what exposure then by switching to keep the LX production came. Well... well, ridiculous. Thanks. That was even think it define me. want more important to use, nor am I seriously doubt they be a PZ-1p or use center-weighted metering with unecessary features severly compromises the (redesigned) camera from the list members didn't know you do in the choice of whining that adding only speculation, and whistles and less busy viewfinder blind compared to an offer. Regardless of the LX with many would ever use such as the addition to* the LX back under the standards it worth buying (and other improvements like anyone what is very small market as AF, spot meter *in addition to* the usual question among pros shooting side is one more than the camera that bastardizing an offer. I've never know you be more like anyone a camera that are more like adding only add AF is dominated by the price down its operation'. Is there a regular built-in motorized transport then uses that th is quite big). :( You`re so poorly that again. Whats left of features they may even think it doesn't bother you have interchangeable viewfinders. This keeps the (redesigned) camera was loaded with AF to break down a smiley after "techno-weenie"? No real photographer would like Super or even think there were wrong? Aperture priority mode. mechanical engineer I won't have to the SFX or simply a totally new camera, planned obsolescence, or go into production." That said, Olympus is currently reading somewhere a 'reasonably well done viewfinder'). -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List.
Re: August PUG
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Frank Theriault wrote: > Since I'll be assigned a few images to critique this month, I'll wait > for my "assignment" before doing anything detailed. Actually, I won't send the list of photos for commenting out for a couple of days, to allow for some dialogue to happen on-list first. Please don't think that you can't comment on PUG images just because you happened to agree to talk about a few specific images in the PUG. I'd prefer it if you were able to do both, actually. :) The whole organized commenting process is just a way to make sure that people who want their photos talked about are guaranteed to get at least one or two comments. That's a totally separate thing from giving your first impressions of the PUG, detailed analyses of photos, etc. Do whatever you want, and then the organized comments can supplement it, not replace it. I don't want the organized comments to inhibit regular PUG comments or discussion; that goes against the whole idea of having them. And no, this isn't directed at anyone in particular; Frank's post just reminded me of something I've been meaning to write for a few days now. Thanks for listening! chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First camera
Hello All, I seem to have started something, so here is hopefully an end to it, but I'm probably wrong! On my way home I dropped into a local pawnshop, and bought a Pentax ME Super. It came with a nice Vivitar f5.5 - f22 300mm Auto Telephoto with tripod bracket. All for $130CDN Inclusive. Thanking you all for the advice, and keep it up , your a great bunch. Regards James - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A 28/3.5 Shift Lens
I am very interested in having a perspective control lens in my system. I know, I know, I should get a large format. Well, that's just not going to happen anytime soon. :] Anyway I was wondering, does anyone on the list have any experience with this lens? Image quality? Ease of use? Thanks for all input. :) Nick - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: photo op challenge
Ok boys & girls... here's something to whet your whistle on. Years ago in a town owned by the KELLOG family (later known as Flint, MI) there was a museum devoted to Automobiles (HEY it's the MotorCity state, what'd ya expect, a monument to the Boll Weevil?? [see: Geneva, Alabama]). Anyway, they had huge, HUGE posters on the walls that were actually close-up photos of the hood ornaments from antique Autos. I loved them! Later that year, at the Concours De Elegance, I grabbed my trusty Program Plus, a monopod & a 70~210 f4 macro & went hog wild shooting hood ornaments. Auburn boattail speedsters, cherry Cords, the DOMINOES[tm] Bentley. Some came out as close to superb as one could wish for. (Imagine a cute, blonde, 10-ish yr old girl in a lawn green jumper & tan straw hat reclining on the running board of a wine-red Phaeton.) Others were just pics. Well the Concours is coming back next week & I have free tickets. Anyone have ideas for better pics??? I'm not going to have them blown up to 40' tall posters... but one never knows. The DEADWINGS won the Stanley Cup didn't they?? lol Here's a (short) gear list: a ME-Super with: SMCP-M 50mm f1:1.4 SMCP-M 28mm f1:2.8 ME-II winder Monopod a Program Plus with: SMCP-A 50mm f1:1.7 Cosmicar A-70~200mm 1:4 Macro Vivitar A-28~105mm 1:3.5~4.5 Macro Kiron 2x converter ME-II winder A Nikon One Touch P&S What film & lens(s)/bodies... or are we going to the camera shop to get more? Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Two B/W Shots
I'll always miss Melbourne. Had some great times in that city -- hot and cold... Otis Wright Paul Jones wrote: > Hi, > > You wouldnt miss melbourne the last few days its been freezing :) > > Cya > > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > > > >Any comments appreciated on or off list. Dont worry i can take it, aslong > > >as > > >it constructive :) > > > > Um... I feel the composition of the 2nd one was a bit loose. Btw, I miss > > Mebourne... :( > > > > regards, > > Alan Chan > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA*80-200 mm f/2.8 ED
OK some questions on this beast: What does the PZ/AZ/MODE switch do? How about the pushbutton next to it? Will Pentax still sell me a lens hood for this lens? Has anyone been injured from carrying one of these things around? Has anyone ever used one of these as a defensive weapon? (If so, what was revealed in the autopsy of the attacker?) Could they possibly have made that front element 1/10 of a millimeter larger and still fit it anto a 77mm filter ring? (I doubt it) Mark (Off to shoot some photos and buy some 77mm filters (gulp). Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Seriously, once you start shooting with it, you'll be surprised just how good it is. >John Francis has reported some light fall off at 2.8, and I think he's right, but >it's quite slight. You'd be hard pressed to find any other fault with it. Just don't >expect to do much hand-held Velvia work with it. > >I've been tempted to report it to Albano as my favorite lens, but I'm too fond of my >FA35/2AL to decide between the two. But you can get some idea of how much I use it by >looking at my latest site update; numbers 2, 3, and 5 were all taken with the >80-200/2.8. > >Doug >i like the FA100/2.8 Macro too > > >At 3:27 PM -04007/27/01, Mark Roberts wrote, or at least typed: >>Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>Oh, geeze, I didn't tell you that I got rid of mine? Yup, traded it >>>for a Tamron 28-200. Figure I'll never have to change lenses again. >>> >>>Doug >>>just kidding >> >>You don't say... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
August PUG
Since I'll be assigned a few images to critique this month, I'll wait for my "assignment" before doing anything detailed. Until then, I just wanted to say that this month's PUG is absolutely stunning! Each image is wonderful. I was transfixed as I pulled up each image. Initially, I planned to pick a favourite, and mention that one, without comment until I received my group of images from Chris. I simply couldn't narrow it down to one - even two was difficult. So, in no particular order, here are my two favourites from this month: "Cranes" by John Coyle, and, "Zero Hour Sky" by Thomas Cakalic. As mentioned, more detailed critiques to follow... Thanks to all! regards, frank -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professionals -- Markov says...
i am also keen to have links/info on this program. >From: "Eric Lawton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Professionals -- Markov says... >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:55:23 -0500 > > >Cool post Juan! > >I'd be interested in learning more about this program you used. Do you >have >any links you could point me to? > >We are really broadening our horizons here on the PDML. There is some good >material posted for the PDML musical and William S. Buhler here has a good >start on "Naked PDML" - an abstract, cut-up documentation of the PDML. > >Eric > >>From: "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Professionals -- Markov says... >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >>So, Seeing how this thread won't die, I took a few postings and passed >>them through a Markov chain program (a program that looks for patterns >>in text, and randomly combines sentences into new ones, trying to keep >>some sense) Since there wasn't too much sense in the input text, the >>output is not amazingly coherent, but it is enlightening in its own >>way: >> >snipped ... > >_ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG'S UP!!!!
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Gang, the August 2001 edition of the Pentax Users Gallery is >available for your viewing pleasure. Just had a quick look and all I can say is "Ooooh!" Nice stuff there. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bodies Roll Call Results UPDATE 108
Pål Jensen wrote: > Ernest wrote: > > > Hmmm7 MZ-S owners out of 401 Pentax aficionados. Given the assumption > > that Pentax is aiming the MZ-S to previous and current owners of the brand, > > and assuming that this ratio reflects the entire market at large, could the > > MZ-S be headed the way of the PZ-1p? A good camera, unsupported by any > > meaningful marketing campaign and finding only a niche among a small section > > of the marquee loyalist. > > For goodness sake the camera has been on the market for just a month! Supply is >probably still short. Give it five years and come back to the statistics then. > Pentax have not scheduled high production volumes of the MZ-S. I don't believe any >upper 35mm film slr body from now on will be designed for high volume production. >Sales of high end film slr's is dropping dramatically probably because sales of the >market leaders, the F5, F100 EOS1V, are loosing sales on a large sales to digital. > > Pål > There could also be others in the same situation as me. Very interested in the MZ-S but budget & priorities do not put it as an immediate purchase. David S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
August PUG
As usual, a very nice bunch of shots! I'm a bit disappointed I've missed this PUG (not too much, I was on holiday :) but I'm sure I couldn't have submitted a valid shot this time. At a quick glance " Red and Green Cross " by Arnold Stark seems to me to fit the theme better than any shot this month. Well done, Arnold! Gianfranco __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My Favs for this Month
Hi, My favorites for this month are: (in no particular order) "Neon Glow" by William Robb, I like the funky pink colour :) What was it you were actually shooting? a neon sign? "Control" by Dan Vidal", I think I have this set as an MP3, its not as good as Carl Cox at the Crobar though. Nice shot, you managed to get into a prime position to take the shot. "Yaquina Bay Bridge" by Bill Casselberry, this shots gives me a surreal feeling and not just because of the Infrared film. Great Exposure and composition. Having a look back through previous "Alternative Light" galleries, it seems to be one of the subjects that people have the most difficulty with, myself to such an extent that I had nothing worth submitting. Cyas
Re: PUG'S UP!!!!
I second what Steve said. From Bill's post yesterday, there were obviously problems getting this month up and running, which no doubt means that a lot of extra work and effort was put into getting it up. Thanks!! regards, frank Steve Larson wrote: > Just a quick note to say that the entire PUG is so well put together, and > has a wealth of information, not to mention great images! Thanks Bill, > and thanks to Alin Flaider, Jostein Oksne, Sid Barras, Delano Mireles, > Flavio Minelli, Gary L. Murphy, Michael Bromm, Yves Caudano, > Jan van Wijk, and Chris Brogden for making it all happen. > > Steve Larson > Redondo Beach, California > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Kiss
From: "Ernest Alejandria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: First Camera I replaced it with a Super Program with a 50mm 1.4 SMCP-A. Somehow, I managed to lose this camera to my girlfriend in college. I don't exactly remember the circumstances surrounding this incident but I think it had something to do with her posing for me in various stages of dressed (or otherwise) in lieu of her borrowing the camera to some forgotten event or others. Of course, she proceeded to lose the camera in said event but I don't remember being overly upset about it since she was really a sweet girl. And I managed to retain possesion of the negs of our very private photoshoot even after we went our seperate ways :). --- P. Ernest ` So do we get to see the pics or not?!!! Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG'S UP!!!!
Just a quick note to say that the entire PUG is so well put together, and has a wealth of information, not to mention great images! Thanks Bill, and thanks to Alin Flaider, Jostein Oksne, Sid Barras, Delano Mireles, Flavio Minelli, Gary L. Murphy, Michael Bromm, Yves Caudano, Jan van Wijk, and Chris Brogden for making it all happen. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: PUG'S UP > Hi Gang, the August 2001 edition of the Pentax Users Gallery is > available for your viewing pleasure. > Thanks to the PUG team for making it happen, to the contibutors > for making it possible, and to the more than 3000 visitors per > month, for making it worthwhile. > > Our sponsor has asked that we visit the following URL: > http://www.komkon.org/AD/ > > Thank you > William Robb > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested
i used that 1.7 converter when i had a sf1n a long time ago. i put it on with a 85 1.8 lens. you set the lens to infinity and let the teleconverter do the focusing. i don't remember how it worked with regards to close focusing. On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:06:01 -0700, Bucky wrote: > Also I was wondering if any of you have used the F AF Adapter 1.7X on Manual > lenses . How well does it work? This is the only thing on his list that I can attest to. The 1.7X AF T/C works very well optically. Not as good as the 2X-S I recently got on ebay, but better than the 2X Kenko 7-element T/C I have. The A/F part, though, isn't a cure all. It doesn't instantly turn the manual lens into an autofocus one you don't have to dink with. What I mean is that it won't refocus the manual lens all the way from infinity to close focus. You have to prefocus the manual lens to get it within at least half of the focal range of the manual lens. So, when you're shooting things at or near the closest focus distance, you should prefocus the lens to (roughly) the lower half of the lens' focus range. That said, I really like it. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Yet another MZ-S Review
Hi All, I got my replacement MZ-S from cameraworld.com last week (the first one didn't rewind the first roll of film). I took it backpacking along with my FA* 28-70 F2.8 lens and Bogen 3001/3262 tripod over the weekend. Five rolls of film later, here are my likes and dislikes (for landscape photography, anyway): Likes: == Grip shape: the sharp edge feels good in my hands. Exposure and Meter mode switches. Easy to operate. Command dial and display: Easy to use, easy to read. Autobracketing: This is my first autobracketing body. DOF Preview: Excellent control placement. Size and Weight: Makes a great backpacking camera. Timer/Mirror Lockup: Easy to use. Dislikes: = Power Switch: Too easy to switch on or off. Autobracket Selector: Hard to turn. Focus Point Selection: Difficult to use on a tripod. Overall: I really like the overall design philosophy. In particular, I like the light, solid feel of the body. I also really like having seperate switches for the metering mode, exposure mode (single, multi, etc.), and exposure compensation. I can see how my camera is set up at a glance and change it just as quickly. Of course it's not perfect (see my dislikes above), but I really like it. Will it help me get better pictures than my LX or ZX-5? Continuous autofocus might help with wildlife, but probably not otherwise. Does it enhance my photography experience? Definitely. --Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PUG'S UP!!!!
Hi Gang, the August 2001 edition of the Pentax Users Gallery is available for your viewing pleasure. Thanks to the PUG team for making it happen, to the contibutors for making it possible, and to the more than 3000 visitors per month, for making it worthwhile. Our sponsor has asked that we visit the following URL: http://www.komkon.org/AD/ Thank you William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bodies Roll Call Results UPDATE 108
Pål Jensen wrote: > Ernest wrote: > > > Hmmm7 MZ-S owners out of 401 Pentax aficionados. . > > For goodness sake the camera has been on the market for just a month! Supply is >probably still short. Give it five years and come back to the statistics then. Pål's point is well made. My dealer tells me only 6 MZ-S units were received at the Western Canadian Distributor, I got one of 'em and the rep got one as a demo., so one can't expect to see a lot of them in use yet. Actually, given the limited availability and the volumes of some of the retailers in major centers, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary etc., I was very lucky to get my hands on one. My burg has only a 75,000 population and it's relative isolation (850 km from any of the major centers cited). doesn't make for a major market. Cheers, Mike. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 2 B/W shots + film for pro & not
I once saw an article in a photog magazine with shots of seals on a windy/sandy beach, it was shot with Astia and the results were spectacular. Whats it like compared to Provia 100F as all purpose film? Cyas - Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:17 AM Subject: Re: 2 B/W shots + film for pro & not > > > Doug Brewer wrote: > > > > Portra 160NC is the best print portrait film on the market (Astia is the best slide portrait film). It is my opinion, though, that care must be taken in both exposure and development to get the best from Portra. In other words, I don't think it has as much latitude/forgiveness as, say, VPS. This could be a subjective thing, and perhaps Aaron and/or Bill could offer an opinion. > > I'm not as big a fan of the Portras as Doug (although they do have a > pleasant smoothness and are quite good for portraiture), but I do agree > about exposure and their printing. Portra's pretty picky, and when its > underexposed it can be downright NASTY (and horrid to try to get a great > print out of). Likewise, overexposure doesn't seem to suit it (though > the results are not as bad as underexposure). > > I do agree, however, about Astia! I can't understand why nobody buys > this film. Astia rules the roost. Spectacular skintones, and a blue > sky that can't be beat. Not as zany as Velvia, but still lots of > saturation. AND it does a great job in direct sunlight. Anyhow, I > can't for the life of me convince my customers, who all are enamoured of > Provia 100F. In fact, I just had five rolls of Astia expire on me...the > first rolls of film to have stuck around long enough in the store to > expire! That means that last year I only sold 15 rolls of Astia 35mm > (and probably I shot a few of those...mostly I shoot it 120 in mister > 67). Eek! > > -Aaron > who has five rolls of Astia to shoot on his trip to Georgian Bay this > weekend ;) > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:41:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The advantage is that you can combine the focusing mechanism of the main > lens with that of the teleconverter to focus much closer than you would > be able to otherwise. Again, not as good as a true macto lens but very convenient > when you're travelling light. Hmmm. I never thought of or tried that. Guess I'll have to burn a roll of film now, you dastardly think, you. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Smack
Hi everybody, I'm sending again this message (was: The First Kiss) hoping that you all can help us to improve our ranking: I'm competing for a short film contest on-line, the title of which is "The First Kiss", with a movie in which I took part as director of photography. You can see it on http://www.shortvillage.com/english/Premio/index.htm The short we made is "Smack", directed by Alessandro de Cristofaro, and is the very last one at the bottom of the page. I'd like to let you see it in a better way, but these are the obvious limits of the movies on line. To see it you should have the cookies on your browser enabled. It's a contest, and the winner is decided upon the votes made on-line. I would be glad if you could vote the movie, we need all the support you can give (tear-jerking music in background... :). The contest will end on the 30th of september, so... VOTE!! To stay barely on topic, the shots of the making were all made with an MZ-5n (you could see one clicking on the movie and then on the info button). Thanks in advance, Gianfranco PS: It would be great and very nice of you if you could vote from time to time, this is the fourth short film we have made and it's the first time we are able to achieve such a wide public and interest. PPS: Vote 5!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:06:01 -0700, Bucky wrote: > Also I was wondering if any of you have used the F AF Adapter 1.7X on Manual > lenses . How well does it work? This is the only thing on his list that I can attest to. The 1.7X AF T/C works very well optically. Not as good as the 2X-S I recently got on ebay, but better than the 2X Kenko 7-element T/C I have. The A/F part, though, isn't a cure all. It doesn't instantly turn the manual lens into an autofocus one you don't have to dink with. What I mean is that it won't refocus the manual lens all the way from infinity to close focus. You have to prefocus the manual lens to get it within at least half of the focal range of the manual lens. So, when you're shooting things at or near the closest focus distance, you should prefocus the lens to (roughly) the lower half of the lens' focus range. That said, I really like it. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested
My suggestion: PZ1p and FA 28-105/f4-5.6 Power Zoom lens, along with AF500FTZ and maybe a Lumiquest or a Stofen device attached to the flash. The PZ1p offers Image Size Tracking mode when used with a Power Zoom lens. Frame the child at the size you choose, activate Image Size Tracking, and the camera will automatically zoom the lens to keep the child the same size on the frame even when they move closer or further away. Really cool for active pets and children, but a little hard on expensive camera batteries. Along with predictive AF (the Servo setting on the camera), this would be great for indoor shots of active children. Plus the PZ1p is a first-rate camera in every respect, very underpriced considering its extensive feature set. BTW, the Pentax 1.7X AF Adapter is a great teleconverter and autofocuses with many (but not all) f4 lenses, even though it is suposed to only work with f2.8 or faster lenses. -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professional?
He doesn't care. He never has cared. He never will care. From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > _ > > To: tom@bigday > > Tom, > > > > I'm thunderstruck you would believe I wrote the trash attached below. Wrong > > syntax (I'm cooler than ~that~), ~wrong~ signature (I ~never~ sign a post > > with anything other than ~MAFUD~, [one word). > > Um. I didn't say you did, nor did I say I thought you did. Personally, I > didn't think it was you, but I reserved judgement until we heard from > you. It *could* have been some joke that had an explanation. > > Jeez, give me a break. See the archives, read the thread and you'll see > I was the first guy to suggest that the post might *not* be from you. If > I hadn't said something, you would have missed the whole thread and it > would have been assumed you *had* written it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Equipment Question - Response Requested
> I'm thinking : > MZ-5N Most owners seem to be extremely happy with it. > 24-90 I know it's brand new so there won't be any reviews initial reports have been pretty promising, though. > 77mm f1.8 limited I'm extremely tempted by this lens. > 100mm f2.8 macro Another well-received lens. > 80-320 f4.7-5.6 An OK consumer-grade zoom; not in the same ballpark as the rest of the equipment, especially once you get beyond 200mm. There again, none of the other lenses even get as far as 200mm. > 500FTZ Flash Works very well on my PZ-1p and MZ-S; I assume it will be fine on the MZ-5n. > of course I would like to pick up a good shape MX to compliment the > electronic stuff. It's OK - the electronic stuff knows that it's quite good enough. But an MX is always nice to have (even LX users agree on that). > Also I was wondering if any of you have used the F AF Adapter > 1.7X on Manual lenses . How well does it work? Extremely well. I routinely use one on my 300/2.8 to give me a 500mm AF lens, and it performs admirably. > Is there any consensus on the best (affordable) zoom lens > that pentax has made? The FA 28-70/f4 gets consistently good marks. For a little more reach the original power zoom 28-105 is much admired, too. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 429-4427 MyWay.com 444 Castro St. Suite 101,Mt. View, CA 94041 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: first camera
Cotty protested: > > By your assumption, you seem to presume that by getting a non-auto > camera, one is 'throwing one's child into the deep end'. I outright > refute that suggestion! You're still forcing one particular approach, and imposing your own priorites on the photographic education process. Sometimes it's better to let children learn, rather than teaching them. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 429-4427 MyWay.com 444 Castro St. Suite 101,Mt. View, CA 94041 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bicycle stuff
New chain is a good idea, Cy. (As you undoubtedly know) they stretch with time. But, the rear sprockets don't usually wear nearly as much as the front chainrings. So, if the rear sprockets were worn enough that a new one causes skipping, the chainrings are probably pooched, too. If one gets a new chain, the chainrings should be replaced too (or at least inspected for wear), or they'll cause all sorts of skipping once the new chain is installed. My guess would be that the problem is more likely derailleur mis-allignment. On most derailleurs, there's a little barrel-like adjuster, right where the cable enters the derailleir. Twisting that one way or the other to re-allign the derailleur might work. I'm assuming that you have indexed shifting, Collin (as opposed to friction shifters - indexed "clicks" the derailleur up and down). If you have friction, and you've got it so the gears are quiet when you pedal, then it's probably the chain. regards, frank the bike courier. Cy Galley wrote: > If you changed the sprockets then you need to change the chain. Old > sprockets or old chains on new don't fit and the chain jumps. > > Another thing is the adjustment of the derailleur. It has to be dead on so > that the chain doesn't skip or jump as well. There is generally a little > knob somewhere in the shifting cable to adjust the length. > > Cy Galley - www.qcbc.org Webmaster Quad Cities Bicycle Club among other > things. > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: First Camera
First camera (at age 6 or so) Brownie 127 First 35mm (about 6 years later) A Hanimex-branded rangefinder [also my first used camera purchase] (f/16 - f/2.8, max speed 1/60) First SLR (with my first full-time paycheck) SP II + 50mm/f1.4 Then I got the K-mount disease. In 1976 I picked up an MX with the m 50/1.4. I've still got the body, although the lens vanished at some point down the line, together with the ME Super (replacement for the ME I got in 1978 to partner the MX). The MX has been joined by a Super Program (in 1993), a PZ-1p (in 1995), and most recently an MZ-S. I've also picked up another MX (black, this time) in case the original one ever wears out completely. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 429-4427 MyWay.com 444 Castro St. Suite 101,Mt. View, CA 94041 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Anyone want some old flash units?
John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm cleaning out the photo scrapheap, and I've decided I'll never > use these again. So if you want them, speak up. You pay shipping. > > Sunpak 3000. Tilt/Swivel head, multiple auto levels plus manual. > 4 AA pencells. Appears to work, although the orange > LED behind the Test/Ready indicator doesn't. > The Auto sensor confirms auto operation OK. > Has PC cord as well as hotshoe. Hi, I'm interested in this one, if you still have it. I'll send you $15 to cover the cost of postage and your time. Cheers, Gary. -- Gary WongConsultant, Dependable Distributed Computing, AT&T Shannon Labs [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cs.arizona.edu/~gary/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Bicycle stuff
What kind of hubs are we talking about...single speed, 10 speed? On Wednesday 01 August 2001 13:07, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > Any bicycle mechanics out there? > I changed rear hub on a couple of > family bikes. Now the chain slips. > What does this? > > Collin -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Things for sale
I have the below items for sale. If interested, please reply OFF-LIST to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pentax "K" 55mm f/1.8 w/caps - $40.00 KEH "EX" condition Minor paint wear around the filter ring but glass and blades are perfect Pentax "M" 135mm f/3.5 w/caps - $50.00 KEH "LN-" condition Sigma UC III 28-105 ASP f/3.8-f/5.6 - $85.00 KEH "LN" condition Vivitar 500mm f/8 reflex - $90.00 KEH "LN" condition Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: first camera
>Like somebody mentioned (I think); it's kind of like the swimming lesson >where the dad throws >his kid off the end of the dock. Is it the best way to teach someone to >swim. For some YES, I'm sorry Jeff, but I wasn't going to contribute anymore to this thread, but this post simply cannot go without comment! By your assumption, you seem to presume that by getting a non-auto camera, one is 'throwing one's child into the deep end'. I outright refute that suggestion! In no way would I do that to my, or any child, or in fact anyone learning from me. I have always had the privelage of teaching people the principles of photography and/or film-making in a gentle manner, which in no way sees anyone 'thrown off the end of the dock'. I think you will find that ANYONE who knows their stuff would NOT do this to someone learning. Obviously I can only confirm my own case, but I think your posting more or less tars all the 'manuals' with the same brush there, and I can only tell you that you are most definately wrong! Again, I say: any technique with teaching *can* work. The world would indeed be a boring place if we were all the same... Ha-blooming-rumph! Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested
Bucky inquired: > >I have had the following request from Kevin at JD Color Service, the > >store >that recently refunded Albano's money. and asked for the group's >input on >the following questions. >Replies to the list would be appreciated. I have suggested Kevin >join the >list, but in case he doesn't , I'll relay all answers to him. > > Could you ask your mailing list >members if I can get some testimonials as to the quality of a number > of >items. >I'm thinking : >MZ-5N >24-90 I know it's brand new so there won't be any reviews >77mm f1.8 limited >100mm f2.8 macro >80-320 f4.7-5.6 >500FTZ Flash Bucky, The only gear I have from the above list is the 500FTZ Flash. I'm quite happy with this unit because it meets my flash shooting requirements even though I'm don't shoot with one often. Anyway, straight from the manual, herewith is a brief description of it's features and capabilities. a) TTL Auto Flash System b) Guide # of 50 (ISO 100 at 85mm setting) C) Tilts vertically 90 degrees and 180 degrees horizontally d) Built-in spotbeam projector e) Six levels of manual output control f) LCD guide panel g) Auto Zoom Function which adjust the angle of discharge between 24mm and 85mm according to the focal lenght of the lens in use. h) Slave flash Function i) trailing-shutter-curtains-sync flash j) bounce flash k) contrast-control flash when combined with the RTF >From my personal experience, this flash doesn't use a lot of juice, relatively speaking, and has a quick recycle time especially when used with the TR-Power Pack 2. So I'd definitely recommend it with the supplemental power source. Hope this helps. Cheers, P. Ernest _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Camera
My very first camera was an ME-Super (w/ 50mm 1.4 SMCP-M). The best gift any 14 years old could have received on his birthday. Unfortunately this was stolen a few years later when I foolishly left it in full view inside my car. I replaced it with a Super Program with a 50mm 1.4 SMCP-A. Somehow, I managed to lose this camera to my girlfriend in college. I don't exactly remember the circumstances surrounding this incident but I think it had something to do with her posing for me in various stages of dressed (or otherwise) in lieu of her borrowing the camera to some forgotten event or others. Of course, she proceeded to lose the camera in said event but I don't remember being overly upset about it since she was really a sweet girl. And I managed to retain possesion of the negs of our very private photoshoot even after we went our seperate ways :). The next camera I owned was the SF-10 with a 35-70 zoom. Of all the Pentax cameras I've owned, this is the only one that I was not truly happy with for various reasons. I gave it to another girlfriend as soon as the PZ-1p hit the market in '95 or '96 and I've been shooting with this camera ever since. This is also the only camera that I've built a system for with 4 lens, flash, tripod etc. And I learned my lessons from past mistakes. I don't leave it in the car and I don't let my girlfriend touch it. Lol. So all in all, I've owned 4 cameras in my life and they were all Pentax (I don't know if that's good or bad). I'm hoping to make the MZ-S my 5th Pentax body in December but I'll never get rid of the PZ1-p. It will always have a place in my camera bag for as long as it holds up. And when it breaks and repair is no longer feasable, then it would occupy a prominent place in my den somewhere next to my football and basketball trophies. I guess, I'm just getting more sentimental in my olden years (35). HAH!! P. Ernest _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bicycle stuff
You are correct about the limits, but it is wear not stretch. Actually they say it is better to replace when it gets over 1/16 then you don't have to replace the sprocket cluster. When you get out to 1/8" then both have to be changed. It isn't a hard job, especially with the cassette clusters. Cleaning and lubricating the chain frequently will delay the wear. I have over 6000 miles on my SunTour and it is still less than 1/16" Cy Galley - www.qcbc.org Webmaster TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh - Original Message - From: "Steve and Sue Bullock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: RE: Bicycle stuff Probably the chain. As the chain stretches it wears the teeth on the hub. Mixing a worn hub with a new chain or visa-versa can cause it to slip. Try replacing the chain. A chain should be periodically checked with a ruler for stretch and replaced in good time. If I recall correctly the stretch limit is about 1/8" in a foot. I.e.. about a rivets width. Unfortunately I've mislaid my maintenance book so I can't check this. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Collin Brendemuehl Sent: 01 August 2001 19:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Bicycle stuff Any bicycle mechanics out there? I changed rear hub on a couple of family bikes. Now the chain slips. What does this? Collin * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Metz SCA adaptor
I'm not sure the number, but if you check Adorama's web site, you can do a search for this by name. I just sold a flash unit with that sca adaptor, but I don't remember the number. I did get it from adorama, though. and I find they have the best prices on the web. www.adorama.com Regards, Sid B Alan Chan wrote: >> What would be the correct SCA adaptor for a Metz 45 CT-1 >> for an MZ-30 (ZX-30) > > > SCA372 I believe. > > regards, > Alan Chan > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested
Chris Brogden wrote: >Bucky wrote: >> 100mm f2.8 macro > >Very, very sharp. I prefer the feel of the older, MF-only macros, but >this is a well-built, great lens. I can confirm this in a big way. Simply outstanding. >> of course I would like to pick up a good shape MX to compliment the >> electronic stuff. I *might* have one for sale soon (in beautiful condition, BTW) if I get the MZ-S jones bad enough ;-) >> Also I was wondering if any of you have used the F AF Adapter 1.7X on Manual >> lenses . How well does it work? > >I haven't, sorry. I imagine it would work a lot like, say, a Maxxum >7000: slow, noisy, and needing a fair bit of contrast to focus, but I have >no idea. Oh contraire! It's lightning fast and doesn't seem to put any additional focusing demands on the camera; you just have to use a reasonably fast lens with it so that the effective aperture isn't smaller than f/5.6. I generally use it with my 300/2.8 but I've also used it with a K50/1.4. Because focusing takes place within the teleconverter itself, it has the disadvantage that it costs you some focusing range: If you have the main lens physically set to infinity, you won't be able to autofocus nearly as close as usual. You can compenste for this by manually focusing the lens in a bit. In practice you keep the main lens set to focus at a distance that's "in the ball park" for the subject you're photographing and let the TC and autofocus fine tune it. Not as convenient as a true AF lens with standard AF teleconverter but it becomes second nature almost instantly (and worked brilliantly for me shooting superbikes at 160 mph a week or so ago) and it does have some advantages... The advantage is that you can combine the focusing mechanism of the main lens with that of the teleconverter to focus much closer than you would be able to otherwise. Again, not as good as a true macto lens but very convenient when you're travelling light. I think the 1.7x teleconverter/AF adapter s a nifty item and recommend you buy one before they start appearing on eBay with *RARE* in the description and the price starts going up. I'm betting it'll happen eventually. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Anyone want some old flash units?
I'm cleaning out the photo scrapheap, and I've decided I'll never use these again. So if you want them, speak up. You pay shipping. They're all old pre-digital units; just a single hotshoe contact. Sunpak 3000. Tilt/Swivel head, multiple auto levels plus manual. 4 AA pencells. Appears to work, although the orange LED behind the Test/Ready indicator doesn't. The Auto sensor confirms auto operation OK. Has PC cord as well as hotshoe. A small Hanimex flash (2 AA pencels), guide number about 1/4 of the Sunpak unit. No auto - manual only. An old Rollei (E22?) unit. The rechargeable battery needs to be replaced. I don't know whether the flash tube works. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 429-4427 MyWay.com 444 Castro St. Suite 101,Mt. View, CA 94041 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Completely OT, utterly gratuitous, offensive, insulting, you have been warned...
Bob Walkden wrote: > > Hi, > > probably best not to click here if you voted for Dubya... > > http://www.bushorchimp.com/ I certainly can look then, since I am from New York where only 14% of the population, the foolish minority, voted for him. Whoops. Can't connect to the URL. White House must be jamming it. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bodies Roll Call Results UPDATE 108
Ernest wrote: > Hmmm7 MZ-S owners out of 401 Pentax aficionados. Given the assumption > that Pentax is aiming the MZ-S to previous and current owners of the brand, > and assuming that this ratio reflects the entire market at large, could the > MZ-S be headed the way of the PZ-1p? A good camera, unsupported by any > meaningful marketing campaign and finding only a niche among a small section > of the marquee loyalist. For goodness sake the camera has been on the market for just a month! Supply is probably still short. Give it five years and come back to the statistics then. Pentax have not scheduled high production volumes of the MZ-S. I don't believe any upper 35mm film slr body from now on will be designed for high volume production. Sales of high end film slr's is dropping dramatically probably because sales of the market leaders, the F5, F100 EOS1V, are loosing sales on a large sales to digital. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Bucky wrote: > I'm thinking : > MZ-5N I bought this primarily for its design. If you're using an MX as backup, then you'll have a pretty short learning curve with the 5n. I like its small size, simple operation (each function has its own button), and excellent body/lens compatibility (compared to entry-level Nikons). I don't like the noise of the AF, or the fact that it can be hard to read the viewfinder info in bright light, and I miss a continuous AF mode on single-shot. > 24-90 I know it's brand new so there won't be any reviews Don't one or two of us have one already? Maybe they can offer some input. > 77mm f1.8 limited I don't have one, nor have I ever seen one. By all accounts an excellent lens. Expensive, but the great thing about Pentax is that if the new 77/1.8 is too pricey, you can always find a good used K85/1.8 for... uh... almost the same price. :) > 100mm f2.8 macro Very, very sharp. I prefer the feel of the older, MF-only macros, but this is a well-built, great lens. > 80-320 f4.7-5.6 I have one of these. I don't think I've ever enlarged anything past 5x7 taken at the long end of this zoom, but it has the reputation of being soft past 200mm or so. I don't mind what softness there is, and find it a good lens overall. > 500FTZ Flash > and various and sundry of camera flash cords etc A great flash. I'd like the option of being able to sync it past the camera's sync speed, but you can't have everything. > of course I would like to pick up a good shape MX to compliment the > electronic stuff. You could always wait for the black MX with motor drive I'll be putting on eBay as soon as I verify that it works as good as it looks. :) And why not an LX? They're both good cameras, but the viewfinder on the LX is amazing, and it's a lot brighter than the MX. Definitely something to think about. > Also I was wondering if any of you have used the F AF Adapter 1.7X on Manual > lenses . How well does it work? I haven't, sorry. I imagine it would work a lot like, say, a Maxxum 7000: slow, noisy, and needing a fair bit of contrast to focus, but I have no idea. > Is there any consensus on the best (affordable) zoom lens that pentax has > made? The FA28-70/4 is extremely sharp, and the older power zoom 28-105 (not the newer Tamron-made version) is supposed to be quite good as well. As far as the Nikon comparison goes, you work in a camera store, too, so there's no need to cover the basics. For general AF work, it's hard to beat the F80 with 28-105 (1:2 macro). It gives you things like flash exposure compensation, quieter AF, and selectable multiple AF points, but you lose that gorgeous interface of the MZ-5n. The 1% spot meter of the F80 is nice, but the 5n has a 2.5% one; both are very different from Canon's models, which have something like an 11% partial meter instead of a true spot. And I like the 5n's ability to use any lens pentax makes or has made (screwmounts and MedF need adapters), while you lose metering with older lenses on all Nikons below the F90x. Also, if you're trying to capture moving subjects, you might want to think about the MZ-S. Selectable multiple AF points, continuous AF, and faster AF. Hope this helps... chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[4]: LX with AF, realy it works !
--- Bob Walkden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > ... > Now, I can't find the back-up for my claim about AEL > and IDM, so I may > be talking complete balls, but there was a good > reason for Pentax not > putting AEL on the LX. They didn't just forget about > it. > > --- > Certainly not, as the LX metering system is really well-thought. An M.L. does not make much sense in the LX and I think it's for a good reason (hope I got it right): The LX measures light in two different ways: -- For the viewfinder indication, the LX measures the light that is reflected from a secondary mirror onto the metering cell (this value is stored in the camera CPU). -- During the exposure, the LX measures the light that is reflected from the film surface (or 1st shutter curtain). This value is not stored in the camera CPU (the LX measures the amount of light which is in fact accumulated during the the time of exposure). These two metering modes could result in quite different values, even when the camera is pointed at exactly the same scene. A memory lock would have to use the measurements of the light that is reflected from the secondary mirror. Thus toggling between 'M.L.' and automatic would lead to somewhat be unpredictable results: - the component of diffusive light might be higher for light reflected from the film compared to light reflected from the secondary mirror (this particularly makes a difference when light sources are within the frame); - reflectivity of film emulsions might differ from that of the secondary mirror and among each other. - measurement from the film plane considers changing light intensity during exposure; Shooting with fixed EV values should done in manual mode. In metered manual, exposure adjustments are made generally based on measurements from the secondary mirror. The shutter speed indicated in the viewfinder gives only an approximation to the automatically chosen speed. The manual clearly states this. Hope this is more or less correct. Alexander __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Bicycle stuff
Any bicycle mechanics out there? I changed rear hub on a couple of family bikes. Now the chain slips. What does this? Collin * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT... way OT - more 2
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT... WAY OT re:return address Posting with my real email address would send mail back to me, correct? And if I ~were~ an Internet crawling, porno site knuckle-dragger, especially a ~married~ Internet porn-site knuckle dragger, do ~you~, Scoot, believe I'd use my real (permanent) email address as a return? As for the intellectually stunted post involved: had anyone here (including you) ~really~ noticed that I ~never~, ~ever~ sign anything but "Mafud"? Mafud === Mafud old man I couldn't really give a gnat's patootie what you do.. or say.. Just as long as no neo-Black Muslim-ish blather & invectives ends up pointed in MY direction. (When folks act like reasoning human beings I'll converse with them... when they rant, they end up in the recycle bin.) I just wanted to point out that: Considering I spend over 300hrs a month on the internet (with nary a porno site to be found in MY history box, BTW)... The answer is: NO... not all (or even 2%) of postings would end up back in YOUR box. Just replies from anyone/anything that tried to USE that bogus address... which just "happens" to be a valid address for you. Since it only takes @ 4 lines of JAVA to sniff out anyone's E-mail address, 80% of the time I leave MY return address set as [EMAIL PROTECTED] (let the buggers SPAM that address!!). I have to change it back to a REAL (or VALID) address when posting to list's such as this because the address is (in effect) the password the mail-deamon "recognizes". I just wanted my 2-cents added before this becomes another noxiously long thread like the [Pro vs Amature] topic. (Which BTW gets automaticly filtered & deleted as are the posts from ~certain~ individuals and/or certain "trigger" words). I see now that you've had to become more familiar with filters as well. Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First camera
I started with a Brownie Hawkeye and those gigantic Press 35 flashbulbs. Actually, though I think my first roll of film was shot with my grandfather's Brownie 2-A Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I started with a Kodak disc camera, and I turned out okay. > > I got an SLR when I demanded (at age 7) more control...I wanted to be > able to put what I wanted in focus and out of focus, and too light and > too dark and just right. I believe that's how I described it at the > time. ;) > > Anyhow, just sayin' that I started out with an automatic, and I turned > out fine. > > -Aaron > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Camera for kid
It does? Oh look, Martin's sister bought this Vivitar and it sucks, everyone boycott! Wait, why does it suck? Because it lacks AF? Because there's no ATF? Because the mirror always breaks? What I'm trying to say is, I could claim the LX sucks (because it doesn't do AF) without telling you that it doesn't do AF. How about giving some reasons so we can UNDERSTAND why. Illinois Bill martin tammer wrote: > > My sister bought this Vivitar, It sucks. > --- "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:56:47 -0500, Gary L. Murphy wrote: > > > > Let's try this again. :-) > > > > Someone was asking about a camera for their child. I found this Vivitar > > V2000 on eBay with a BIN price of, > > $76.00 and comes with a 90 day warranty. I've done business with this > > person before and he is VERY > > honest. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260025299 > > > > > > > > > > Later, > > Gary > > > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 2 B/W shots + film for pro & not
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:52:25 +1000, Paul Jones wrote: >Any comments appreciated on or off list. Dont worry i can take it, >aslong as it constructive :) >http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/images01.html nice shots.. esp the geezer feeding the flying rats = What's the list's take on KODAK Portra?? My kid brother swears by the ASA-160 thinks it's better than sliced white bread. But then he swears by his Minolta 7000 so we KNOW he's bumped his head real hard somewhere along the way. I think the film may be ok but 160 is too damn SLOW for handheld. I'm a FUJI Superia 400~800 guy myself (too hard for the air-head of the hour to bollix it up at the photo shop). And while I'm here & seeing how so many use B&W... what's the list's take on Ilford XP-1 ??? (which I see didn't even make it to the "master list"). Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Suggestions visiting/photographing Bretagne (France)
Jaume, I haven't been to my ancestors' region (I still have some aunts and uncles there) of Bretagne/Brittany in a long time and actually am planning to take my wife there next year. Here is a short list of sites I can recommend: Mont Saint Michel (never tell a Breton that it is in Normandy) Saint Malo: imposing fortress and nice harbor Roscoff: cliffs, village Carhaix: village, church Pointe des Espagnols Pointe de Dinan Pointe du Raz : these are capes: picture huge waves crashing against rock cliffs topped by moors. Quite touristy in August except early in morning. To go to pointe des Espagnols (view of Brest's bay) you cross a military base for Marine Commandos. Don't be scared they are not as mean as they look and their machine guns are loaded with blanks. The views are worth it, less touristy. Concarneau: old harbor with a medieval city on an island linked by a bridge. It feels like you've travelled in time You should also go inland in the Finistere (the westernmost part) Very picturesque farms, hills and fields with hedgerows. This is off the top of my head If you have any question I'll try to help you Have a good trip Philippe >From: Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Suggestions visiting/photographing Bretagne (France) >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi all, > >I am planning to spend around 10 days visiting 'la >Bretagne' in middle August, and I would appreciate >suggestions on places to visit and, mainly, >photograph. > >I will take, for sure, my 24 and 28-70, so a lot of >landscapes to come I guess... > >Thanks in advance, >Jaume > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professional?
Hi Tom, Second, I think. But I agree--lashing out at the people who stand up for you isn't very smart, unless your plan is to alienate everyone: friends, foes, and neutrals, alike. The naive might try to rescue a hornet from spider web once, but probably not twice. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, quite understandably said: >Jeez, give me a break. See the archives, read the thread and you'll see >I was the first guy to suggest that the post might *not* be from you. If >I hadn't said something, you would have missed the whole thread and it >would have been assumed you *had* written it. > >tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Camera
I'm one of those people who's very dogmatic about proper first cameras. Has to be all manual and adjustable. Have always thought that the K1000 is perfect choice, plus it's indestructable, plus its design is almost elegant in its simplicity, plus it's a true classic. But then I remember that I didn't follow that path. My first camera was a Kodak 126 (or 127?), completely unadjustable. My second camera was a Kodak Instamatic, completely unadjustable. Didn't have a truly manual camera--focus, shutter speed, aperture--until high school, when I started using my father's Ricohflex TLR. Even then didn't have a meter. Guessed exposure using the pictograms on the film box (remember those?). Set up my first darkroom soon after. I suppose the point is that if you're simply trying to get a kid hooked on photography, the camera really doesn't matter much. On the other hand, if she's already hooked and you want her to learn exposure, selective focus, etc. take the meter battery out of a K1000 and send her on her way. --John = John Edwin Mason Charlottesville, Virginia email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] alt email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Camera for kid
Then there's the V3800N which has DOF preview and multi-exposure. www.mpex.com they have it in stock. Not ruggedly built, but decent & cheap. (although not much different than a ZX-M) Collin >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:56:52 -0700 >From: "Jim Moniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Camera for kid > >I bought a v2000 new, and it worked for about 9 years before it conked >out... >Jim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus
My wife's got other plans for my tax refund- pay the bills! Shucks!!! Boy, I'd be in the dog-house if I just went out and bought the MZ-S. My ONLY "night-time activities" would be night photography. Then again, I have been taking alot of night photos lately anyways...the more I think about it...I do have bills that need payin' ;) -Jeff - Original Message - From: Eric Lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus > I'm "lusting" for an MZ-S and will almost surely buy it. Tax refund is only > weeks away :) > > Eric > > >From: Darryl Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:13:10 -0500 > > > ...snipped ... > >Marketing is building a product and then having ability to make people > >"lust" after it until they actually purchase it. Canon has this ability > >Pentax do not. > ...snipped ... > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Filter questions - thx
I have Hoya HMC Skylight filter on my 3.5-4.5/24-90 and it seems to work very well indeed: no flare, no visible effect on sharpness. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 01. elokuuta 2001 8:30 Aihe: Re: Filter questions - thx >In a message dated 7/31/01 9:09:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Sorry Hoya. I have never seen a Hoya filter, just the > only opinion I had heard about them (from this list) > was that they were junk. But then, I use COZO filters > and are extremely happy with them, whereas most people > have probably not heard of them. I have never seen > them mentioned. > > Jody. >> > >HOYA filters are as much as 99.99% as effective as B+W filters and at 40-50% >of the cost of a comparative B+W filter, particularly HOYA HMC filters. > >Mafud > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professional?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > _ > To: tom@bigday > Tom, > > I'm thunderstruck you would believe I wrote the trash attached below. Wrong > syntax (I'm cooler than ~that~), ~wrong~ signature (I ~never~ sign a post > with anything other than ~MAFUD~, [one word). Um. I didn't say you did, nor did I say I thought you did. Personally, I didn't think it was you, but I reserved judgement until we heard from you. It *could* have been some joke that had an explanation. Jeez, give me a break. See the archives, read the thread and you'll see I was the first guy to suggest that the post might *not* be from you. If I hadn't said something, you would have missed the whole thread and it would have been assumed you *had* written it. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professional?
Bob Blakely wrote: > > Well, whoever posted it did so on May 17, 2000, more than 14 months before > this current fracus and is sandwiched between posts on May 15, 2000 & May > 20, 2000. In other words, it has nothing to do with the current discussions. > I have no idea why anyone would have done any source "forging" during that > time. I can't see why either. Right, before last week Mafud had never irritated anyone in his life. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus
I'm "lusting" for an MZ-S and will almost surely buy it. Tax refund is only weeks away :) Eric >From: Darryl Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:13:10 -0500 > ...snipped ... >Marketing is building a product and then having ability to make people >"lust" after it until they actually purchase it. Canon has this ability >Pentax do not. ...snipped ... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: July thoughts
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > snip > "Sister and Brother" by Bill Peifer > It's one that should be in your family album. Good job. > Personal memories get no critique. > snip Hi Collin, Just returned from my brief Cleveland trip and vacation a couple days ago, so I've been catching up on what's transpired while I was temporarily unsubscribed. Thanks for the kind comments, and thanks once again for all the effort that went into reviewing each and every submission for this month's gallery. I'm sure the effort very much appreciated by all! Take care, Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Professionals -- Markov says...
Cool post Juan! I'd be interested in learning more about this program you used. Do you have any links you could point me to? We are really broadening our horizons here on the PDML. There is some good material posted for the PDML musical and William S. Buhler here has a good start on "Naked PDML" - an abstract, cut-up documentation of the PDML. Eric >From: "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Professionals -- Markov says... >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT) > > >So, Seeing how this thread won't die, I took a few postings and passed >them through a Markov chain program (a program that looks for patterns >in text, and randomly combines sentences into new ones, trying to keep >some sense) Since there wasn't too much sense in the input text, the >output is not amazingly coherent, but it is enlightening in its own >way: > snipped ... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: first camera
I'll say it once again... even though I don't care *that* much at this point. Nobody including myself, is trying to convince the world. The original poster asked for suggestions, that's what he got. The fact that John did not agree with some of those, or did not agree that a particular approach was right for every individual was fine. The implication that I should "stop trying to convince the rest of the world that your way is the single best way, and would work well for everybody", is a mischaracterization of what took place. That only occurred in John's mind. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Otis Wright, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: first camera > But that plants the seeds of insecurity... > > Otis Wright > > John Francis wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not suggesting that you have to do things my way - All I ask in > > return is that you "and would work well for everybody. > > > > -- > > John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 429-4427 > > MyWay.com 444 Castro St. Suite 101,Mt. View, CA 94041 > > > > Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First camera
I started with a Kodak disc camera, and I turned out okay. I got an SLR when I demanded (at age 7) more control...I wanted to be able to put what I wanted in focus and out of focus, and too light and too dark and just right. I believe that's how I described it at the time. ;) Anyhow, just sayin' that I started out with an automatic, and I turned out fine. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Oh what a beautiful Pentax day!
Mark, Yes, I consider myself lucky. I am probably the only serious Pentax user that frequents the shop and the Pentax case is almost always bare. I have to usually contend with Nikon and Canon enthusiasts galore. So it was refreshing to talk to someone knowledgeable and also one who is not closed-minded in that all others are no good. I know that it was not pro support, but I sure felt like one being able to check all the items out. Can you see my smile ;-) The photographer here sat agape as I told him my story. He was also amazed at the size of the MZ-S and 77 combination. And when I removed the BG-10 grip he could not believe it. He is used to the F4 and Kodak derivatives. He also has a 645 here. I am waiting for the right moment to borrow it for a few shots. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida > -Original Message- > From: Mark D. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Oh what a beautiful Pentax day! > > From: Matamoros, Cesar A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > (sniped lotsa cool stuff about hangin with a Pentax rep) > > Hey Cesar, > > It sounds like you had a grand time. Personally, I'd take this kind of > treatment over so-called "pro" support anyday! > > Mark > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A matter of identity
That Jim's sig so perfectly fits the theme of this thread has thrown me into a fit of giggles. Jim, perhaps you should loan your sig file to Mafud? ;) -Aaron Jim Brooks wrote: > > E-MAILS are susceptible to interference. You should not assume that > the contents originated from the sender or the Zetex Group or that they > have been accurately reproduced from their original form. > Zetex accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in > this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or > omitted in connection with this communication. > If in doubt, please verify the authenticity with the sender. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: LX with AF, realy it works !
Vic, just pull the leatherette away from the multi function lever, and the lever comes out with three screws, clean and lube it, and you should be OK. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: LX with AF, realy it works ! > Speaking of the self timer on the LX. Does anyone on the list with the LX > experience problems with the mirror lockup. I have notices that the button on > the self timer can be turned clockwise to tighten the mirror lock-up > mechanism. My mirror lockup often does not work and i have to tighten the > spring loaded screw. Is this normal...?? > > Vic, Canada > > In a message dated 7/31/01 12:05:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Filter questions - thx
Peter Lacus wrote: > Shel, I think inner surface (surface > facing to the lens) doesn't have to > be coated because of polarization, but > not coated front surface will IMHO > reflect much more light than multicoated one. Well, I was only repeating what B+W had to say. And the front surface of B+W filters are coated, just not multi-coated. B+W specific - ~multi-coating~ is not needed. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Why should I use a meter? What if the darn thing broke on me when I was out making a photograph? Then what would I do?" - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First camera
Like somebody mentioned (I think); it's kind of like the swimming lesson where the dad throws his kid off the end of the dock. Is it the best way to teach someone to swim. For some YES, for others NO. Your kid's personality may be the type that would systematically go in a little at a time and patiently go through the process; OR he may be the one who would undoubtedly excel over time, but doesn't have the discipline to take the time to teach himself- so - over the dock he goes. He may or may not hate your guts for the rest of the day, but you know he'll love you for it later on. I started with an automatic camera. Heck, that's how I got into this thing. THEN my passion fueled the discipline I needed (and -don't- normally have) to take the time to learn (through the trial and error process we all know) all the technical things about photography. I'm putting the bullseye hat on here, but my automatic camera helped me learn. I would (and still do) put the thing on manual exposure and maual focus, take "my" shot, then put it on auto everything, take the "cameras" shot, record the differences, and critic the prints when they come back. I'm getting to know my cameras meter really well this way too. Anyway, that's what has worked for ME. You've gotta look at your kid and figure out what's gonna work best for HIM- nobody here can tell you that. If what your try first doesn't work, get him something else; with places like ebay out there, it's not like you've got to get him a new Leica or MZ-S (although it'd be awful nice of 'ya). Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Had to throw one in for the "auto camera" guys :) Cya all -Jeff - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A matter of identity
John Mustarde wrote: "BTW, (which BTW stands for BTW)" ... and I thought it was short for convenience. Regards Jim Brooks E-MAILS are susceptible to interference. You should not assume that the contents originated from the sender or the Zetex Group or that they have been accurately reproduced from their original form. Zetex accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity with the sender. Visit our new look website at http://www.zetex.com Bigger and better with improved functionality - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: LX with AF, realy it works !
Speaking of the self timer on the LX. Does anyone on the list with the LX experience problems with the mirror lockup. I have notices that the button on the self timer can be turned clockwise to tighten the mirror lock-up mechanism. My mirror lockup often does not work and i have to tighten the spring loaded screw. Is this normal...?? Vic, Canada In a message dated 7/31/01 12:05:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Re: The next generation
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:21:22 +1200, David A. Mann wrote: > > Unfortunately, CSS is unevenly > > supported, at best, among currently available browsers. > > I can say the same about frames, with a certain degree of restraint. The > problem with them is caused by the frameset standard being totally > inadequate, requiring the use of browser-specific tags in many cases. I try to stay away from frames when I can. I agree with you about the frameset tag and standard. On top of that, they make it tough for "screen readers" to translate the pages to "spoken word". Having two blind aunts, I'm a little sensitive to that. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Oh what a beautiful Pentax day!
Nice day Cesar! You don`t were hats do you (I want a hat)? :) Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Oh what a beautiful Pentax day! > I received a call at work today - my MZ-S arrived from Pentax > Colorado from its firmware upgrade to clear up its frame overlapping > anomaly. Basically I dropped it off last Monday after work and it was sent > out by my photo shop next day shipping to Pentax Colorado. Pentax sent it > back Overnight UPS on Monday. > > I was anxious to get it back and specifically to see if the Pentax > Functions I had set were still as I left them - they were. I left work a > little early to go to the shop. What a stroke of luck! The Pentax rep was > in town - did he plan to make sure my MZ-S made it to my hands? ;-) > Coincidence?? Just perfect timing! > > It gets better. After chatting with him a bit of this, that, and > the other he asked me to go outside he had something for me. He handed me a > Pentax golf umbrella! Pretty good, especially since it was raining at the > time. He had fun when I took it in the store since all the sales clerks > were envious ;-) The shop owner pointed out that I did not play golf, I > just told him I needed it if I were to take pictures of him playing! > Good-natured fun. > > I ended up spending almost an hour and a half at the store and > mostly with the rep, I could not monpolize him, he was there to do business. > I ended up with more than the umbrella. Through that time spent with the > rep I finally ended up with > Pentax luggage tag > Pentax Mag-Lite single AAA cell flashlight > Pentax miniBuck folding lockblade pocket knife > Pentax baseball cap > > I am still smiling. I also got to talk with him of things > photographic and Pentax. It was grand, all the talk did not have to relate > to Pentax, it was a refreshing talk with a rep. I also got to handle the > 200 mm f4 FA* macro. Talk about beautifully balanced and light! I had no > problem holding the combination with the MZ-S with one hand. And talk about > nice manual focussing. I truly enjoyed handling the lens. Where do I put > it on my lens to purchase list? > > Finally while discussing the void in my prime lens lineup between 50 > and 100mm we were discussing the merits of the 77 and 85 offerings. He > finally turned to me and surprised me when he reached back into his bag and > decided to lend me his own personal FA 77mm f1.8 Limited lens for a few days > to let me see if I truly want to get this lens! Tomorrow night I will be > using it at the squadron's playoff softball game! Iam quite sure that the > 77 will be on my purchase list, but what a perfect opportunity to field test > it! > > I also had a chance to see the smallest 3.1? megapixel digital > non-point & shoot camera. Talk about small - definitely pocket sized and > with manual and non-programmed controls! You would not even notice you had > it with you. Could it supplant my Nikon Coolpix? > > It was the most memorable photographic afternoon I have had > recently. I am still thinking about the opportunities to check out the 77 > Limited on my MZ-S and LXs. > > Still grinning from > ear to ear, thanks for listening, > > César Matamoros II > Panama City, Florida > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Two B/W Shots
Hi, You wouldnt miss melbourne the last few days its been freezing :) Cya - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > >Any comments appreciated on or off list. Dont worry i can take it, aslong > >as > >it constructive :) > > Um... I feel the composition of the 2nd one was a bit loose. Btw, I miss > Mebourne... :( > > regards, > Alan Chan > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Two B/W Shots
Kodak 400cn is a b/w film that can be processed as a colour film (c41), to get decent results it really needs to be printed on black and white paper though. Compared to how much b/w costs to process it works out at an ok price for me to get this film processed and printed on colour paper and use these as proofs, then get any enlargements i want printed on b/w paper. - Original Message - From: "Anand DHUPKAR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > sorry, but what is that "cn" ? with c41 process ? > means negative uses color process and gives b+w photos ? > i am not aware > > > >From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:52:25 +1000 > > > >Thanks Anand, > > > >The film was with Kodak 400cn, so they were just processed and printed as > >normal C41. But i've found you have to pick your lab with this film, as > >some > >places make an absolute mess of it. > > > >Cya > >- Original Message - > >From: "Anand DHUPKAR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:33 AM > >Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > > > > > > > I agree. > > > Both the shots are very beautiful. > > > I feel like going back to B/W once again - but I don't have all the > >darkroom > > > set up .. and more important I don't have that much time for that. > >Where > >is > > > the printing done, btw ? at lab or you did it yourself ? > > > > > > anand > > > > > > > > > >From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:36:39 -0400 > > > > > > > >Very nice shots > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > Begin Original Message > > > > > > > >From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:00:28 +1000 > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: Two B/W Shots > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I am trying to shoot atleast one role of film during the working > > > >week, these > > > >are my better to shots for this week. > > > > > > > >Neither of the shots have been cropped and they were only sharpened > > > >slightly > > > >to correct for the scanning. > > > > > > > >At the moment i'm only using my Spotmatic and 55/1.8, i've had this > > > >camera > > > >since school. > > > > > > > >Any comments appreciated on or off list. Dont worry i can take it, > > > >aslong as > > > >it constructive :) > > > > > > > >http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/images01.html > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Paul Jones > > > >- > > > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > End Original Message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pentax User > > > > Stouffville Ont Canada > > > >Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail > > > >- > > > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > - > > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > > > >- > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: first k-mount camera
you know what, my honest opinion in this situation is the kids want to have and use what we have and use. if we try telling them we "kind of evolved" to this automation what they are looking and the simple basics of photography start from those simple camera, they would believe only if we use those kind of camera in front of them - thinking, talking about it. my wife has pentax point and shoot for simplicity and i have minolta x-700 for quite a long time with 28-105 lens. but one point of time i moved to n90s as minolta lenses were not interchangeable as far as autofocus is concerned and never used x-700 again result ? my daughter at 11 wants either pentax point and shoot or n90s. >From: Paul & Wendy Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (pentax-discuss-digest) >Subject: Re: first k-mount camera >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:00:32 -0400 > >My 12 yr old son asked me if next time I was on e-bay I could get him one >of those 'old cameras' like I have. >I obliged and bought him a Zenit-E. After all, it was my first SLR! >The enthusiasm is there, but he has no patience. He covets my autofocus, >autoexposure camera with its zoom lens. I, on the other hand prefer my MX >with a standard lens. >He will get his auto everything camera as I know that that's what he really >wants and will use it. I will also make sure that it can be used in all >manual mode so that he does have that option if he wants to learn more. > >Wendy >--- >Wendy & Paul Beard, >Ottawa >Canada >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA* 200/2.8 teleconvertor suggestions?
I have the FA* 200/2.8, its an awesome lense. I have used mine with a Tamron & element teleconverter with pretty good results. I have a just received a Tamron MC7 AF teleconvertor, but havent had a chance to burn any film with it. Although i have had a play with it outside and the AF is still nice and snappy. You'll be happy with this lense, i also was after a 300, but bought this instead as i felt it would be more versatile, soon i'm going to get a 1.4x or the Pentax 1.7af. Cya - Original Message - From: "Gerald Wang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: FA* 200/2.8 teleconvertor suggestions? > I should be receiving this lens in about two weeks and I was wondering if > any of you had suggestions for a suitable teleconvertor. I was actually > looking to get the F*/FA* 300/4.5 for sports/event and perhaps some nature > photography but I came across a good deal on a FA* 200/2.8. The nice thing > about the 200 is that I'll also be able to use it for model/fashion > photography. > > Oops, I'm drifting. Back to the convertors. I already have the SMC-F 1.7x > AF convertor which I will try first. That will effectively give me a > 340/4.8. A 2x convertor would result in a 400/5.6. Boz's site recommends > the Tamron SP 2x. Are there any other ones that I should consider? By the > way, I would like a convertor that preserves AF. > > Thanks in advance, > > Gerald > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus
Darryl wrote: > I have set on the side lines an watched the discussion about whether the > MZ-S was a professional camera and the pipe dream about an autofocus LX > long enough. Let's fact it folks MZ-S is for the most part an Amateur > camera and the LX auto focus will never happen. Not because they won't > withstand the rigors of professional use but because Pentax doesn't know > how to market even to amateurs much less professionals. . I think a camera should be judged for what it is and does and not how the manufacturer manages to market it. In spite of no marketing, the LX was brisk seller in its price segment. >Heck I can't even find > a Pentax ad in a major US photo magazine for their amatuer MZ-S much > less their professional medium format cameras. But the Pentax MF cameras still enjoy a professional use percentage of above 50% and are popular in their market segments. Still, I agree that Pentax marketing, or more precisely the lack thereof, generally suck. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX with AF, realy it works !
Alin wrote: >It is my understanding that spot meter is located in the pentaprism >in the Olympus design and has nothing to do with its center >weighted OTF meter, placed behind the mirror. Yes, and that was what I suggested as a solution for a possible LXII in a previous post. Why not use the best from both worlds? Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Two B/W Shots
sorry, but what is that "cn" ? with c41 process ? means negative uses color process and gives b+w photos ? i am not aware >From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:52:25 +1000 > >Thanks Anand, > >The film was with Kodak 400cn, so they were just processed and printed as >normal C41. But i've found you have to pick your lab with this film, as >some >places make an absolute mess of it. > >Cya >- Original Message - >From: "Anand DHUPKAR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:33 AM >Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > > > > I agree. > > Both the shots are very beautiful. > > I feel like going back to B/W once again - but I don't have all the >darkroom > > set up .. and more important I don't have that much time for that. >Where >is > > the printing done, btw ? at lab or you did it yourself ? > > > > anand > > > > > > >From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:36:39 -0400 > > > > > >Very nice shots > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > Begin Original Message > > > > > >From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:00:28 +1000 > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Two B/W Shots > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I am trying to shoot atleast one role of film during the working > > >week, these > > >are my better to shots for this week. > > > > > >Neither of the shots have been cropped and they were only sharpened > > >slightly > > >to correct for the scanning. > > > > > >At the moment i'm only using my Spotmatic and 55/1.8, i've had this > > >camera > > >since school. > > > > > >Any comments appreciated on or off list. Dont worry i can take it, > > >aslong as > > >it constructive :) > > > > > >http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/images01.html > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Paul Jones > > >- > > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > > > > > > > > End Original Message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pentax User > > > Stouffville Ont Canada > > >Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail > > >- > > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX with AF, realy it works !
Pål wrote: PJ> it is nevertheless fully possible to combine spot PJ> metering and OTF. In fact, the Olympus OM-4 has both OTF and spot PJ> metering; It is my understanding that spot meter is located in the pentaprism in the Olympus design and has nothing to do with its center weighted OTF meter, placed behind the mirror. Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A matter of identity
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:48:00 EDT, you wrote: > >And John, why do (did) ~you~ continue the thread? > >Mafud Jeez, Mafud, I dood (did) continue the thread because it was fun. For those without a fun-meter, read my constructive, well crafted long explanation below: It is elegantly ironic that (a) someone could throw down the gauntlet saying, in effect, that an email's innerds could not be forged (although I doubt that person even knew the subtle implication of the statement generating this effect, and may not know that email has innerds, given the AOL-ness of the situation), and (b) someone else could take up the email innerds challenge quite easily, and (c) the person in ~a~ above could fail to see the forgery ~b~ when it appeared, nor the humor in its posting, and (d) all of the above are true. Any ~^problem^~ with that? BTW, (which BTW stands for BTW) why did "you" continue the thread? I thought >>never complain, never explain<< would be a watchword. Disclaimer P.S> : BTW this post may or may not come from me, depending on the internet gremlins. Contact your AOL service provider for authentication before sending money. -- John " Indigents don't use disposable cameras" Mustarde -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: X-sync speed question
The flash meter makes reference to commonly used sync speeds but you can use the meter without concern for the shutter sync speed (as long as you use your correct sync speed of course). I have the meter of which you speak. It will give you flash meter readings regardless of the shutter speed you have set, provided the ASA is properly indexed, etc. ppro > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jerome > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: X-sync speed question > > > > > Hi all, > > I'd like to use a flashmeter from sekonic (L308 or L408) and I wonder > how to deal with the 1/75th X-sync speed of my LX as the flashmeter > only propose the 1/60th and 1/125th speeds. > Anyone using these Sekonic flashmeters ? > > Thanks > Jerome > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
