Re: New Pentax Site
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Bob Rapp wrote: Pentax has changed their Japan website with a new look, but no new products. http://www.pentax.co.jp I noticed the online shop (is this new or did I miss it before?). Mainly accessories, and it has that Sharan mini-spotmatic for sale. I also noticed new F 1.7x AF adapter/teleconverter for sale at 27,000 yen - I thought this was supposed to be discontinued in 1997?! (according Bojidar's K-mount equipment page.) Don't think it would ship outside Japan though. -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4--
Re: October PUG is open
Hallo ADELHEID! - Original Message - From: Adelheid v. K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: October PUG is open the October PUG is ready to go. Eigentlich wäre es doch schön, wenn es dort auch einen direkten Link zur PUG gäbe ... oder ist das technisch nicht möglich? MfG Kristian-Heinrich
Re: New Pentax Site
- Original Message - From: gfen Subject: RE: New Pentax Site On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote: To see the new products you have to click your heels three times. I still don't seem 'em! You LIED to me Bruce, and now I'm going to cry. He forgot, you also have to be wearing magic pixie shoes. William Robb
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable either. Sigma only get away with it because they have Foveon. A 3-4MP cropped bayer for £1500 just wouldn't sell very well these days, so maybe they had another aborted project they have to recover from before they can come up with something. Let us hope that when they do, the same problem doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 October 2002 14:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins Subject: Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina You know, I hate to start speculation all over agin, but the fact that they didn't release anything might indiciate that they just chose to skip this show, no matter how big it is. It's hard to belieive that they have develped nothing at all, including PS. It is harder still to believe they would skip the most important photo show in the world if, in fact, they had anything to show. William Robb
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:09 AM Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I hate to start speculation all over agin, but the fact that they didn't release anything might indiciate that they just chose to skip this show, no matter how big it is. It's hard to belieive that they have develped nothing at all, including PS. It's certainly odd. It's possibly even weirder that Nikon didn't show anything. Anyone on any Nikon mailing lists? I'd expect they're wondering why Nikon didn't announce a full-frame digital SLR, especially after Canon and Kodak (with a Nikon lens mount) did. What's the speculation from the Nikon fanatics out there? I was also amazed and disappointed to get nothing new from Fuji. The ISO 100 Velvia was widely anticipated (and, frankly, would have been a lot more useful to me than a Pentax digital SLR). Curiouser and curiouser. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing Mark, There was quite some talk on a few lists about nothing coming out of Nikon. The manual focus people were not surprised. The digital people, D1-, finally justified it in that the timing with their other releases would not fit in the Photokina time frame. It is just too soon for the next iteration to come out for them. Also since they are leading Canon, they don't need to respond to everything Canon comes out with. And of course with the Kodak showing Nikon is getting business in that manner. Then began the whole debate about Nikon setting the standard, people not needing more pixels, no need for a full frame sensor because of yadda, yadda, yadda. Very entertaining. It was most interesting observing the talk there and comparing it to the talk here. As an aside, I got offered a D1X at an awesome price. New, from the factory. Verrry tempting. If not that, then there was a D100 available to me. I was talking to the owner of the store and he had a sales clerk take the D1X out of the box, put on a lens and hand it to me. He was going for the hard sell. He does not let just anyone handle camera gear of that worth. Maybe it is time to dust off my Nikon lenses and see how well they work with the D1X:-) I have access to one here at work, along with a D1H. He kept telling me that I would find it useful during the festival this past weekend. I ended up shooting nine rolls of mostly color slide film instead using the MZ-S mostly. Cesar Panama City, Florida
RE: New Pentax Site
And a red leather Pentax miniskirt! -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] He forgot, you also have to be wearing magic pixie shoes. William Robb
Re: New Pentax Site
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, William Robb wrote: He forgot, you also have to be wearing magic pixie shoes. With enough of the magic pixie dust, you could probably see anything. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
-Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable either. I still think we'll have a DSLR available in the spring. I'm a bit surprised we didn't get any word of it at Photokina, but, again, we all know Pentax are marketing freaks and don't do things the easy way. ;) I'm also surprised not to have seen a new slide film from Fuji. I generally don't pay too much attention to what goes on at these photo shows, but I must say the new Hasselblad has really turned my head. It looks like the ultimate wedding camera. tv
Re: desubscribing
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RE: New Pentax Site
Ugh. I hate meaningless Flash intro pages. --Mike -Original Message- From: Bob Rapp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:New Pentax Site Hi gang, Pentax has changed their Japan website with a new look, but no new products. http://www.pentax.co.jp Bob winmail.dat
Re: Pentax SMC-F 35-135mm vs FA 28-105mm's
on 01.10.02 4:42, Cliff Nietvelt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SMC-F 35-135 mm f3.5-4.5 (would need to buy used) SMC-FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 (power zoom) SMC-FA 28-105mm F3.2-4.5 AL (newest lens) If anyone could comment on the optical performance of any or all of these lenses, it would be greatly appreciated! I would take 28-105/3.2-4.5. I have made some shots on Velvia and it seems to be sharp and contrasty lens. As a bonus you got IF (internal focus - it is faster and front lens doesn't rotate during focusing), small size (it is almost as small as 28-70/4) petal-type lens hood and nice manual focusing feeling. I had hard times deciding between it and 24-90/3.5-4.5, and I went 24-90 for its optical performance (thanks Rob!), but it is not 2x better than 28-105 as the price difference would suggest! -- Best regards Sylwester Pietrzyk
New lens
Well, not new, but new for me. I just too delivery of an SMC Pentax 6x7 300mm f/4. Nice lens. Minimum focus is a mere 17 feet. Good thing I have extension tubes.. The 82mm filter that looks so large on my 45mm looks about the right size on this bad boy. L8R William Robb
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 08:51 AM, Rob Brigham wrote: Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable either. Sigma only get away with it because they have Foveon. A 3-4MP cropped bayer for £1500 just wouldn't sell very well these days, so maybe they had another aborted project they have to recover from before they can come up with something. I don't know, if the anticipation of somethinganything with a k-mount on it is as fervent among off list Pentaxians as it is on, there might well be a market for one. All they'd need to do is to drop the price on that model once the successor was ready, and they'd have their more reasonably priced entry level dslr and their full frame dslra good start into a multiple dslr lineup akin to their current slr lineup. Dan Scott
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
All Pentax needs to do is buy some of those Kodak chips and stick them in the MZ-D, rememeber it was finished they just needed a chip for it. Now that said who knows if they are just waiting for cheaper chips? __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think we'll have a DSLR available in the spring. I'm a bit surprised we didn't get any word of it at Photokina, but, again, we all know Pentax are marketing freaks and don't do things the easy way. Well, *if* Pentax has a DSLR in the works, I'm not surprized they didn't announce it at Photokina. If they announce again, even with a prototype (or worse yet, a non-working display model) no one will take them seriously after whatranspired with the MZ-D. If/when they announce, they'll do it when they have working prototypes and a definite shipping date. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: New Pentax Site
Nosal, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh. I hate meaningless Flash intro pages. meaningless Flash intro is redundant. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Nikon had a few things, like the 70-200 VR/AF-S finally going on sale and a few PS digis. Nikon did release a new DSLR this year at PMA. It seems to be a combination of Nikon being more interested in PMA (they sell more in NA) and them announcing new products when they have them. In many ways the Kodak full frame DSLR is just as good for Nikon's business as them introducing their own. As much as Nikon fans want all sorts of new stuff right now (!), there is less real concern, because Nikon will sooner or later come out with what they need/want. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's certainly odd. It's possibly even weirder that Nikon didn't show anything. Anyone on any Nikon mailing lists? I'd expect they're wondering why Nikon didn't announce a full-frame digital SLR, especially after Canon and Kodak (with a Nikon lens mount) did. What's the speculation from the Nikon fanatics out there?
RE: New Pentax Site
Sorry. I guess I forgot to mention that you also have to chant, Only from the minds of Minolta as you consume a fifth of rum. From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still don't seem 'em! You LIED to me Bruce, and now I'm going to cry.
Re: Monopod advice
Wendy: Let me start by saying I am a tried and true Pentax LX man with, at last count, four of them. I doubt many people, even camera store sales people, would think that anyone who uses an LX is a pro. As soon as they see 35mm Pentax, no matter which one it is, they think amateur -- maybe advanced amateur -- but certainly amateur. I doubt there are very few, if any, working pros, still using LXs as their main cameras. Don't get me wrong, I love them and think they are as good as most pro cameras but I think their day has come and gone for pro shooters... I'm bracing for the wave of nasty e-mails after this one... Vic In a message dated 10/1/02 8:48:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny about the comments people made about choosing black. All the monopods on display in the store were silver coloured. After I'd chose mine, the assistant went out back to get a new boxed one. He brought me a black one because he thought I'd like it to match my camera! (LX) Or maybe he thought as I was using a professional camera, I should have a professional-coloured monopod!
Digital-Film Wars: To Byte or not to Byte
Hi folks, With all this talk about what was -- and what wasn't -- at Photokina, I found it interesting to read a short article about a local commercial/advertising photo studio in the business section of yesterday's local newspaper. It's a busy studio with big accounts with a major grocery store chain and several other large clients in our region. [The name's Buschner Studios. Perhaps Mark Roberts recognizes the name?] The owner stated in this article that while he does use digital cameras to some extent, most of his work is still done with film. He finds that the time it takes to transfer images from camera to computer (15 to 20 seconds, according to the article) is too slow, and he finds digital to be limiting because he's not able to line up a series of shots thus captured and compare them side-by-side. He suspects this may not be the case in maybe five years, but for now at least, he prefers working with film. This surprised me, since I thought advertising photography would be most likely of all to be digitally driven. Seems like this fellow and his partner certainly have enough business to invest the necessary capital for switching to primarily digital. Or is this case just a fluke? Or did the newspaper reporter misquote the typical image download times? Hmmm Bill Peifer Rochester, NY
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis. Just about as likely as this happenning, although I wish it to be true... -Original Message- From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 October 2002 15:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina All Pentax needs to do is buy some of those Kodak chips and stick them in the MZ-D, rememeber it was finished they just needed a chip for it. Now that said who knows if they are just waiting for cheaper chips? __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
AF-500-FTZ FLASH QUESTIONS
Hello. I have a couple of AF-500-FTZ questions: 1)Guide Number-164/ISO 100. Is 164 an accurate guide number for this flash? I realize that flash manufactures tend to over rate their guide number, but I thought I read a comment here that Pentax uses the flash zoom head at telephoto position to obtain the high guide number. I am not sure that has any relevance to the actual guide number. 2)I am looking at this flash for Wedding and other event photography. I have the AF-280-T, which I like a lot,but I need more power. I like to use Reala film, but with an ISO of 100, I find the AF-280-T not quite sufficient. I will be using the flash with my PZ-1P. I also have an LX but it is my understanding that the AF-500-FTZ is not compatible with it. As always, thank you. Someday I hope to contribute an answer and not just ask questions. Francis
Re: Digital-Film Wars: To Byte or not to Byte
Dun't know about downloadtimes, but comparing images side by side is nonsense: just get a dual (or more) BIG (21) monitor setup and say goodbye to light table. In fact, on the screen one can see a few images magnified at the same time -- try that with slides! He's either fond of loupes, or has a lousy IT dept. Now, before flames start flying, I am talking about multimonitor setup. Of course, running Photoshop on a single 14 monitor sucks. Mishka -Original Message- From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:58:25 -0400 Subject: Digital-Film Wars: To Byte or not to Byte Hi folks, With all this talk about what was -- and what wasn't -- at Photokina, I found it interesting to read a short article about a local commercial/advertising photo studio in the business section of yesterday's local newspaper. It's a busy studio with big accounts with a major grocery store chain and several other large clients in our region. [The name's Buschner Studios. Perhaps Mark Roberts recognizes the name?] The owner stated in this article that while he does use digital cameras to some extent, most of his work is still done with film. He finds that the time it takes to transfer images from camera to computer (15 to 20 seconds, according to the article) is too slow, and he finds digital to be limiting because he's not able to line up a series of shots thus captured and compare them side-by-side. He suspects this may not be the case in maybe five years, but for now at least, he prefers working with film. This surprised me, since I thought advertising photography would be most likely of all to be digitally driven. Seems like this fellow and his partner certainly have enough business to invest the necessary capital for switching to primarily digital. Or is this case just a fluke? Or did the newspaper reporter misquote the typical image download times? Hmmm Bill Peifer Rochester, NY
Re: AF-500-FTZ FLASH QUESTIONS
the guide # is accurate with a 85mm F1.4 lens with the zoom head set to 85mm. The AF500FTZ is Pentaxes most powerful flash and it does have some range to it ( only a bit more than the 280 ) but the trade off is it eats batteries and can take forever to recharge. The price you pay for sun tanning power :-) --- Frank Knapik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have a couple of AF-500-FTZ questions: 1)Guide Number-164/ISO 100. Is 164 an accurate guide number for this flash? I realize that flash manufactures tend to over rate their guide number, but I thought I read a comment here that Pentax uses the flash zoom head at telephoto position to obtain the high guide number. I am not sure that has any relevance to the actual guide number. 2)I am looking at this flash for Wedding and other event photography. I have the AF-280-T, which I like a lot,but I need more power. I like to use Reala film, but with an ISO of 100, I find the AF-280-T not quite sufficient. I will be using the flash with my PZ-1P. I also have an LX but it is my understanding that the AF-500-FTZ is not compatible with it. As always, thank you. Someday I hope to contribute an answer and not just ask questions. Francis __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: AF-500-FTZ FLASH QUESTIONS
Yes Francis I have just learned myself that the 500ftz is not compatible with the LX but the 280T is compatible with both the PZs and LXs. Also I don't think the 500 has any more power than the 280T. In fact the older flash may even have a little more real power... You might be wise to look at the hammerheads by Metz or the pentax 900 kit which is still available for a small fortune Vic In a message dated 10/1/02 10:55:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2)I am looking at this flash for Wedding and other event photography. I have the AF-280-T, which I like a lot,but I need more power. I like to use Reala film, but with an ISO of 100, I find the AF-280-T not quite sufficient. I will be using the flash with my PZ-1P. I also have an LX but it is my understanding that the AF-500-FTZ is not compatible with it. As always, thank you. Someday I hope to contribute an answer and not just ask questions.
rodenstock filters and lenshoods
Hi all, I'm about to buy two Rodenstock filters (49mm - for the M 28/2.8, M 50/1.7, M 135/3.5, and M 75-150/4), but in the archives I've found some info on their incompatibility with lenshoods - apparently they're too thin to grab the thread of the hood. Any comments on this? Maybe it's not as bad as I think (I'm well known for overreacting and being panic-prone :) Thanks, ukasz
RE: Digital-Film Wars: To Byte or not to Byte
Mishka wrote: Dun't know about downloadtimes, but comparing images side by side is nonsense: just get a dual (or more) BIG (21) monitor setup and say goodbye to light table I can see where this approach could be problematic, though. Six or eight different shots (Polaroids, maybe?) taken under six or eight different lighting conditions would be easy to compare side-by-side. Six or eight different monitors side-by-side doesn't sound practical at all. Even if so many monitors could be properly calibrated, wouldn't the typical 72-dpi resolution of a typical monitor be a serious limiting factor? Seems like comparing higher-resolution prints, rather than screen images, would be better. No? If that's indeed the case, then maybe this fellow's decision not to go digital at this time has to do with the time it takes to make instant prints from digital images. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY
FS: A50/1.4
I got a bargain on the F50/1.4, so the A is FS. VGC $75. + $5 shpg/ins. Collin
Photokina and Pentax - the future?
Steven Desjardins wrote You know, I hate to start speculation all over again, but the fact that they didn't release anything might indicate that they just chose to skip this show, no matter how big it is. From what I could see, a number of companies decided to skip the show. I almost had the feeling that Photokina has outlived its usefulness and may turn into a German trade show (with some business being conducted from surrounding countries). Although I havent seen any figures, it seemed to me that attendance was lower than in the past. Saturdays at Photokina used to be a nightmare: overly crowded hallways and massive queues just to grab a brochure not to mention the battles to try to get your hands on some hot new item. Photokina 2000 was more humane and this year was no problem at all. Sure, some stands were drawing crowds the Canon digital section was crowded and some other select areas, but in general it seemed like a fairly quite show. In a market that is rapidly turning digital, with digital product releases scheduled in terms of months rather than years, a 2 year duration may not make a lot of sense anymore. The PMA show is an annual event and the CeBit Show in Hannover will now have a hall available for traditional camera manufacturers to showcase their digital wares. I expect that Pentax will be there. Keep in mind that these show are HUGELY expensive. I would guess that by the time the floor space is rented, a booth designed and built, transportation costs for the personnel working at the booth, meals, business entertainment and hotel rooms paid (at massively inflated show rates) the minimum that a major company will be looking at will be nearly a million dollars per show. Do the budget math how many companies can actually afford to support 2 PMA shows, 2 CeBits plus a Photokina in a 24 month period? Pat Temmerman [MZ3_fella] ___ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com
Re: Monopod advice
Hi All, Just wanted to say thanks for all the useful monopod advice. A 4 section Manfrotto is on its way. I decided to hold off on getting a specific head for it until I see if one of my current heads is sufficient (and mainly because I found a demo A 2X-S that I thought I ought to pounce on). :-) Dan Scott
Re: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
I don't really follow all of this, mainly because any new tech that comes out, I can't afford, and I'm quite happy with what I've got now.. But, all this talk of IS lenses and converters and other fun stuff.. What's the chance it has nothing to do with 35mm, and that the IS lenses were intended for the 645 system? 645 IS lenses: There's a market NO ONE has, yet, and probably won't... Canon, Sigma, and Nikon don't have MF cameras (although I believe that Nikon makes Bronica lenses?). It would be easy to corner a market that doesn't exist, if the existing 35mm IS lenses are all based on Pentax patents (as I've read), then presumably they don't have to license it out to any other manufacturers, and if the P645 is considered a favourite among field photographers, imagine having stabilized lenses on something like that. I would say that IS 645 (or 67) lenses would far outweigh a digital back among wildlife photogs, etc, especially (as I'm lead to understand), most MF digital backs need to be tied to a PC to use them. Its also been said many times that the Pentax pro segment is 645, not 35mm. Finally, haven't we seenupdated MF cameras from Pentax both relativly recently (645nII, 67II), are there contacts that might support this feature? OK, someone shoot me down! -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Re[2]: OT: Need portrait help...
Cotty, No, Ferengi. Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 1:51:36 AM, you wrote: Teeth, and an eyepatch. An eyepatch in the before, and a full set of teeth in the after. Dan Scott C Oh, come on, might as well just go for a Photoshopped-on head from a C full-on Klingon female... C :-) C Cotty
Re[2]: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Mark, FWIW, my local lab owner here said that from his experience, PMA shows are bigger and more important for product announcements than Photokina. I guess frequency is one reason. A show every two years doesn't make for as good a venue as a show every year. Perhaps Pentax and Nikon have plans for the PMA. Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 6:09:25 AM, you wrote: MR Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I hate to start speculation all over agin, but the fact that they didn't release anything might indiciate that they just chose to skip this show, no matter how big it is. It's hard to belieive that they have develped nothing at all, including PS. MR It's certainly odd. It's possibly even weirder that Nikon didn't show anything. MR Anyone on any Nikon mailing lists? I'd expect they're wondering why Nikon didn't MR announce a full-frame digital SLR, especially after Canon and Kodak (with a MR Nikon lens mount) did. What's the speculation from the Nikon fanatics out there? MR I was also amazed and disappointed to get nothing new from Fuji. The ISO 100 MR Velvia was widely anticipated (and, frankly, would have been a lot more useful MR to me than a Pentax digital SLR). MR Curiouser and curiouser.
Re: desubscribing
Then how can you post? (I know, but it had to be asked by someone and it might as well be me). At 10:28 AM 10/1/2002 -0300, you wrote: on 10/1/02 12:14 AM, Doug Brewer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instructions are on http://www.pdml.net on the services page. At 8:42 PM -03009/30/02, Margo Ellen Gesser wrote, or at least typed: Dear Petaxians, It's not that I don't enjoy all these messages, but things are getting busy for me and I need to desubscribe. So far, all my requests have been ignored or bounced back. Any ideas? Margo I've followed the unsubscribe instructions half a dozen times! they say they can't desubscribe me because I'm not on the list!
Re: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
Forbes magazine: http://www.forbes.com/technology/2002/09/30/0930photokina.html -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re[2]: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
When you are that far behind the curve, it's bound to happen over and over. At some point you have to take the plunge and start upgrading from that. If they follow that logic, you will never see a DSLR from Pentax. The possibility exists - it may not make enough money to justify. It hasn't yet... Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 6:51:42 AM, you wrote: RB Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped RB 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. RB Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable RB either. Sigma only get away with it because they have Foveon. A 3-4MP RB cropped bayer for £1500 just wouldn't sell very well these days, so RB maybe they had another aborted project they have to recover from before RB they can come up with something. Let us hope that when they do, the RB same problem doesn't happen again.
Re[2]: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
tom, I'm curious, what makes it so attractive to you compared to the Contax? Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 7:32:42 AM, you wrote: snip t I generally don't pay too much attention to what goes on at these t photo shows, but I must say the new Hasselblad has really turned my t head. It looks like the ultimate wedding camera. t tv
Re: New lens
William, Congrats! I love mine. I debated long and hard about the IF version but couldn't justify the doubled cost. Although is doesn't focus too close, it takes wonderful pics. Brother Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 7:46:53 AM, you wrote: WR Well, not new, but new for me. WR I just too delivery of an SMC Pentax 6x7 300mm f/4. WR Nice lens. Minimum focus is a mere 17 feet. Good thing I have WR extension tubes.. WR The 82mm filter that looks so large on my 45mm looks about the WR right size on this bad boy. WR L8R WR William Robb
Re: New Pentax Site
No you're wrong the only shoes that work like that come from a witch, in OZ so I guess you have to go to Australia by way of Kansas. (Hows that for semi free association). At 08:03 AM 10/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: - Original Message - From: gfen Subject: RE: New Pentax Site On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote: To see the new products you have to click your heels three times. I still don't seem 'em! You LIED to me Bruce, and now I'm going to cry. He forgot, you also have to be wearing magic pixie shoes. William Robb
Re: New Pentax Site
As opposed to meaningful flash intro which is an oxymoron. At 10:58 AM 10/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: Nosal, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh. I hate meaningless Flash intro pages. meaningless Flash intro is redundant. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
RE: AF-500-FTZ FLASH QUESTIONS
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes Francis I have just learned myself that the 500ftz is not compatible with the LX but the 280T is compatible with both the PZs and LXs. Also I don't think the 500 has any more power than the 280T. In fact the older flash may even have a little more real power... How do you figure that? The 500 has a GN of 32 at 28mm, the 280 has a GN of 28. Of course how often do you shoot at 28mm? The zoom function isn't some gimmick, it actually works. Load up some 800 speed film and a telephoto lens and you can illuminate someone from a few hundred feet. If I'm at 28mm I'm right in someone's face, or at about 15 feet doing a group shot in a tight space. You might be wise to look at the hammerheads by Metz or the pentax 900 kit which is still available for a small fortune What's the 900 kit? The original poster said he found the 280 insufficient for his needs at ISO 100. I would be curious as to what exactly he's shooting. I almost never shoot below 400 at weddings unless I'm outside with the 645n and I need to deal with the 1/60th flash sync. Bump your film speed up to 400 and you've doubled the power of your flash. If you're worried about the resolution, 35mm NPH does fine up to 8x10...if you need bigger prints or more detail, you really need a bigger camera, not slower film. Bruce is right about the Q-Flash, though I'd be interested to see him lug it around on his 67 for 8 hours. ;) tv
Re[2]: anyone care to bid? :)
...or, to pay ebay fee -Original Message- From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: anyone care to bid? :) WOW!!! now my question is who has that much cash laying around to buy it all ? --- £ukasz_Kacperczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the first htmls message. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1385251371 Happy bidding : £ukasz __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
RE: AF-500-FTZ FLASH QUESTIONS
-Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: AF-500-FTZ FLASH QUESTIONS Bump your film speed up to 400 and you've doubled the power of your flash. Guess that should be quadrupled. tv
Re: OT: Need portrait help...
Oh, come on, might as well just go for a Photoshopped-on head from a full-on Klingon female... :-) Cotty Ahh, the sensitive approachóI like it! Subtle, yet quietly persuasive. Deft touch there, Cotty. Dan Scott K'eplah
Re: Re[2]: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
I've been kindof thinking about this too. But I've been thinking more along the lines of medfo lenses with USM. Think about it... a 645 or even 67 lens with a USM driven AF. Nick --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gfen, Boy, I gotta admit you have a very interesting idea there... Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 9:38:10 AM, you wrote: g I don't really follow all of this, mainly because any new tech that g comes out, I can't afford, and I'm quite happy with what I've got now.. g But, all this talk of IS lenses and converters and other fun stuff.. g What's the chance it has nothing to do with 35mm, and that the IS lenses g were intended for the 645 system? g 645 IS lenses: There's a market NO ONE has, yet, and probably won't... g Canon, Sigma, and Nikon don't have MF cameras (although I believe that g Nikon makes Bronica lenses?). g It would be easy to corner a market that doesn't exist, if the existing g 35mm IS lenses are all based on Pentax patents (as I've read), then g presumably they don't have to license it out to any other manufacturers, g and if the P645 is considered a favourite among field photographers, g imagine having stabilized lenses on something like that. g I would say that IS 645 (or 67) lenses would far outweigh a digital back g among wildlife photogs, etc, especially (as I'm lead to understand), most g MF digital backs need to be tied to a PC to use them. Its also been said g many times that the Pentax pro segment is 645, not 35mm. Finally, haven't g we seenupdated MF cameras from Pentax both relativly recently (645nII, g 67II), are there contacts that might support this feature? g OK, someone shoot me down! = Nick Wright __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: New Pentax Site
This redesign coincide with the change of company name. My guess is that the Asahi is no longer to be found on Pentax web site. Pål
Pentax at Photokina
Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål
RE: anyone care to bid? :)
Err... Bill Gates? Lukasz -Original Message- From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: anyone care to bid? :) WOW!!! now my question is who has that much cash laying around to buy it all ? --- ukasz_Kacperczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the first htmls message. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1385251371 Happy bidding : ukasz __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
RE: Re[2]: anyone care to bid? :)
Or to pay for shipping from California to Canada (Where I live).. You canucks out there... imagine the taxes @ the border ! -Original Message- From: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: anyone care to bid? :) ...or, to pay ebay fee -Original Message- From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: anyone care to bid? :) WOW!!! now my question is who has that much cash laying around to buy it all ? --- £ukasz_Kacperczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the first htmls message. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1385251371 Happy bidding : £ukasz __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re[2]: AF-500-FTZ FLASH QUESTIONS
tom, That and cost are the two current deterrents. I really would like the power that it has. It will work with my leaf lenses and P67II TTL and MZ-S TTL. Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 10:58:36 AM, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes Francis I have just learned myself that the 500ftz is not compatible with the LX but the 280T is compatible with both the PZs and LXs. Also I don't think the 500 has any more power than the 280T. In fact the older flash may even have a little more real power... t How do you figure that? The 500 has a GN of 32 at 28mm, the 280 has a t GN of 28. t Of course how often do you shoot at 28mm? The zoom function isn't some t gimmick, it actually works. Load up some 800 speed film and a t telephoto lens and you can illuminate someone from a few hundred feet. t If I'm at 28mm I'm right in someone's face, or at about 15 feet doing t a group shot in a tight space. You might be wise to look at the hammerheads by Metz or the pentax 900 kit which is still available for a small fortune t What's the 900 kit? t The original poster said he found the 280 insufficient for his needs t at ISO 100. I would be curious as to what exactly he's shooting. I t almost never shoot below 400 at weddings unless I'm outside with the t 645n and I need to deal with the 1/60th flash sync. t Bump your film speed up to 400 and you've doubled the power of your t flash. If you're worried about the resolution, 35mm NPH does fine up t to 8x10...if you need bigger prints or more detail, you really need a t bigger camera, not slower film. t Bruce is right about the Q-Flash, though I'd be interested to see him t lug it around on his 67 for 8 hours. ;) t tv
Re: Monopod advice
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wendy: Let me start by saying I am a tried and true Pentax LX man with, at last count, four of them. I doubt many people, even camera store sales people, would think that anyone who uses an LX is a pro. As soon as they see 35mm Pentax, no matter which one it is, they think amateur -- maybe advanced amateur -- but certainly amateur. I doubt there are very few, if any, working pros, still using LXs as their main cameras. Don't get me wrong, I love them and think they are as good as most pro cameras but I think their day has come and gone for pro shooters... I'm bracing for the wave of nasty e-mails after this one... Vic But Vic, It's black. It's got to be a pro camera has't it? ! ;-) --- Wendy
Re: Pentax at Photokina
One thing I have learned about Pentax is they sneak things onto market and don't blow their horns. I have a feeling IS 645 lenses are on their way. --- Pål_Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
on 01.10.02 19:19, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are playing with stuff in the lab. They have nothing close to a production sample. I assume this is about the digital slr. In fact, the pentax digital slr was manufactured but not marketed. There are many units in daily use in Japan by photographers with Pentax connection. The production line is in place and test production was started. Pål
RE: Digital-Film Wars: To Byte or not to Byte
And also not surprising to see big electronic companies, like Sony, trying to convince us that film is dead. DG At 01:11 PM 10/1/02 -0400, you wrote: This is one report by a non photographer. The information is therefore anecdotal in nature. If you are looking for meaningful information on a trend, then you would have to see some data derived from a survey. Now, unless the photographer is referring to multiple scan MF type studio camera, there is no need to download images after every shot, because they are stored in the camera. You can buy DSLRs that work at over 5 fps. It's not surprising to see, Film is Good articles in a Rochester newspaper. From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... He finds that the time it takes to transfer images from camera to computer (15 to 20 seconds, according to the article) is too slow,...
Re: Pentax at Photokina
It doesn't sound very plausible. Pål Jensen wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras.
Re: anyone care to bid? :)
None of us can bid: there are no Pentax or Asahi cameras memtioned in the description of the camera collection.. Otherwise
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Brendan wrote: One thing I have learned about Pentax is they sneak things onto market and don't blow their horns. I have a feeling IS 645 lenses are on their way. I don't believe we'll see IS lens for MF until it has been used in Pentax 35mm gear for years. Pentax ususally destill features into their MF gear after 35mm has paid for it. Pål
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Daniel wrote: It doesn't sound very plausible. Why not? It's very common. All manufacturers do this. Photokina is the biggest meeting place between the manufacturer sand their distributors. This gives an opportunity to discuss and show products with engineers present. They receive valuable ideas and suggenstions and in this way test out product ideas. I have no idea of what Pentax showed under the table at Photokina, but they DID show things. My guess is as good as anys. Pål
Re: anyone care to bid? :)
I'm holding out for their OTHER auction, the world's ONLY BANANA MUSEUM! On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-2] £ukasz Kacperczyk wrote: Sorry for the first htmls message. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1385251371 Happy bidding : £ukasz -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Re: Re[2]: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Nick Wright wrote: I've been kindof thinking about this too. But I've been thinking more along the lines of medfo lenses with USM. Think about it... a 645 or even 67 lens with a USM driven AF. I think you'd need an AF 67, first.. But yeah. I actually forgot the USM idea that was being thrown around, as well. Again, who else has AF 645 cameras? Quite a few.. but who has a silent, quick focus 645? No one. Its a wide open market. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Re: Pentax at Photokina
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote: I don't believe we'll see IS lens for MF until it has been used in Pentax 35mm gear for years. Pentax ususally destill features into their MF gear after 35mm has paid for it. Wouldn't it make more sense, though, since film is already assumed to be dead by your average consumer in the US and Europe, but its still got a ways to go to MF and pro usage. Again, I'm not Pentax scholar, or business scholar, but it seems like there's a wide open market, and they could actually beat others to the punch and deliver one killer professional solution, which will someday have a drop-in digital insert. Doesn't the 645 have capacity for 6 auxillary AA batteries in its grip, as well as whatever batteries in the main unit? That's a perfect power source for a digital back, isn't it? -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Motor Drive LX question...
In the current KEH catalog (paper version) they have a picture of an LX with motordrive attached. There is some sort of button visible on the motordrive. Is this a vertical shutter release? If not, what is it? TIA. Nick Wright __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Just freeze the one you folks already have. Call it the Pentax Pie, and then trot out the same thing show after show. BR From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Bruce, I think we will have to prepare another pie for you and wait until next year's PMA ;-)
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Now this is the stuff I'm talking about, good going Pal! I had to go back and check to see who the sender was. It looks just like news from the cave. DG At 08:00 PM 10/1/02 +0200, you wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål
OT-Test.
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Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 17:56, Brendan wrote: All Pentax needs to do is buy some of those Kodak chips and stick them in the MZ-D, rememeber it was finished they just needed a chip for it. Now that said who knows if they are just waiting for cheaper chips? Actually they are waiting for the 4 layers Foveon chip (RGB+IR). They expect to offer something really distinctive. cheers, the caveman ;-)
Re: Re[2]: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
Well I remember a few years ago, someone here posed the question as to why Pentax had not introduced an AF 67 camera. I believe the general consensus was something along the lines that the motor required to focus such large lenses would be much too big for the camera body. But with USM the motor is in the lenses and are much smaller. Not to mention that each motor would be ideallized for the lens that it was in. Nick Wrigh --- gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *snip* I think you'd need an AF 67, first.. But yeah. I actually forgot the USM idea that was being thrown around, as well. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
which long lens to bring for an outdoor shoot
Here's another one - I'm quite active on the asking front now :) Here's my dilemma - M 135/3.5, M 75-150/4, or a VS1 70-210/3.5 (the first and bigger one). I would use them on an MX or a Super A body. I will shoot in BW (hence the ease/cost [not that i would buy anything now] of the use of filters as one of the factors). 135/3.5 - because it's small and I wouldn't have to mount a winder on my cameras to easily handhold it, plus it's a prime; 75-150/4 - because of its versatility and lightweight; Both the above lenses have the same filter ring diameter, so I could use my two new (will buy them tomorrow :) Rodenstock filters I would use on my other two lenses - the M 50/1.7 and the M 28/2.8. Also, they both focus down to about 1m. I have a very nice hood for my 135/3.5. VS1 70-210/3.5 - because it's the longest of the three; on the bad side - I have no filters for it, no lenshood; I would have to mount a winder to at least dream of handholding a shot below 1/500; it only focuses down to 2m. Weight is not a big issue (at least as far as carrying the stuff in the bag is concerned, I'm not sure about my neck :) Now it's your turn. Thanks in advance. ukasz
Re: Pentax at Photokina
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 21:33, dick graham wrote: Now this is the stuff I'm talking about, good going Pal! I had to go back and check to see who the sender was. It looks just like news from the cave. It's that damn' caveman again, faking my e-mail address. cheers, Pal ;-)
Bruce D.Re(3)Negative/Scanner etc
Bruce Dayton scribed below: David, So how are you cutting your negs. I store mine in neg pages that hold up to 3 in a strip. That works just fine in the scanner without further cutting. What are you doing? David, Bruce: I cut my 6x6's in to 3 strips for the neg holders too,but the holder for the neg only holds one neg and the first time i put one in,the rest of the strip fell outside the lid and i was afraid it would scratch or get bent. My instructions tell me to put the holder in the upper right corner of the glass.Are you puting it elsewere? BTW i seem to miss some mail on this addy but get them on the other but i cannot reply on this computer so i cut it over. Bruce Monday, September 30, 2002, 11:22:13 AM, you wrote: DB So you did cave in eh BrucegGlad to hear this ones DB better.I just widh i did not have to cut my MF DB negs to scan them.Oh and i wish my daughter had her DB own computer.I think i have only done 40-50 scans DB in 6 months:) Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Pentax at Photokina
HAHAHAHA :-) actually Val you need to rerelease some of those tales from the cave for the newbies again. Valentin Donisa wrote:On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 21:33, dick graham wrote: Now this is the stuff I'm talking about, good going Pal! I had to go back and check to see who the sender was. It looks just like news from the cave.It's that damn' caveman again, faking my e-mail address.cheers,Pal;-) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Weird Pentax statement from HP camera division boss
Paul Baser head of Hewlett packard camera division: Pentax and HP are in may ways different. Whereas Pentax is concentrating on the professional market, HP will have it's main focus on the consumer market. Huh? Apparently, Pentax is involved in the new HP Photosmart 850. Pål
Carl Zeiss 400/4 lens sucks!
I was thrilled when I saw the announcement of the new Carl Zeiss 400/4 for the Contax N system until I saw that it weights the same as a 500/4. What a waste Pål
Canon lenses flares as hell!
I tried out the Canon 35-350 L lens today. It flares more than any Pentax lens ever made even indoors! It's AF was slower than on the Pentax 600/4 in spite of USM (with the EOS 1n). Otherwise they lens looked great. Useful range at least. The optics is probably better than one could expect except for excessive flare. Pål
Re: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
Nick wrote: Well I remember a few years ago, someone here posed the question as to why Pentax had not introduced an AF 67 camera. I believe the general consensus was something along the lines that the motor required to focus such large lenses would be much too big for the camera body. But with USM the motor is in the lenses and are much smaller. Not to mention that each motor would be ideallized for the lens that it was in. The question is whether there is a place for 6X7 at all except for film. If the 6X7 format makes sense in a digital future (I'm not sure. When does the law of diminishing returns (quality, price) start to set in for digital? 6 x 4,5?), we probably will see an AF 6X7 system. If not, the Pentax 67 will suffer a slow death. Pål
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Gfen wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense, though, since film is already assumed to be dead by your average consumer in the US and Europe, but its still got a ways to go to MF and pro usage. Again, I'm not Pentax scholar, or business scholar, but it seems like there's a wide open market, and they could actually beat others to the punch and deliver one killer professional solution, which will someday have a drop-in digital insert. Congratulations! You've just made the cardinal sin of applying common sense to Pentax marketing! :-) Doesn't the 645 have capacity for 6 auxillary AA batteries in its grip, as well as whatever batteries in the main unit? That's a perfect power source for a digital back, isn't it? It certainly is a perfect power source for IS. BTW The more conspiratory among us can perhaps figure out if Pentax made changes to the 645 lens mount to provide for IS when they upgraded the 645N to the 645NII. Pål
Re: Bruce D.Re(3)Negative/Scanner etc
David, I let mine hang out. The lid isn't actually on them and it isn't moving at all. I think it helps to keep the negs flat also. You need to have some out both sides to get the best support. Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 12:15:02 PM, you wrote: DB Bruce Dayton scribed below: DB David, DB So how are you cutting your negs. I store mine in neg pages that DB hold DB up to 3 in a strip. That works just fine in the scanner without DB further cutting. What are you doing? DB David, DB Bruce: DB I cut my 6x6's in to 3 strips for the neg holders too,but DB the holder for the neg only holds one neg and the first DB time i put one in,the rest of the strip fell DB outside the lid and i was afraid it would scratch or get bent. DB My instructions tell me to put the holder in the upper right DB corner of the glass.Are you puting it elsewere? DB BTW i seem to miss some mail on this addy but get them DB on the other but i cannot reply on this computer so i cut DB it over. DB Bruce DB Monday, September 30, 2002, 11:22:13 AM, you wrote: DB So you did cave in eh BrucegGlad to hear this ones DB better.I just widh i did not have to cut my MF DB negs to scan them.Oh and i wish my daughter had her DB own computer.I think i have only done 40-50 scans DB in 6 months:) DB Pentax User DB Stouffville Ontario Canada DB http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ DB http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses DB Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
RE: pentax-discuss-d Digest V02 #234
If you can't buy it, it isn't a product. The next thing you'll be telling us is that Pentax made the DSLR, makes more DSLRs than any one else and is the market leader. Until I can buy one in BH, it's as much a product as a cruise trip to Pluto is. From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Jensen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, the pentax digital slr was manufactured but not marketed. There are many units in daily use in Japan by photographers with Pentax connection. The production line is in place and test production was started.
RE: Pentax at Photokina
I had heard that it might go down that way, but I was under the impression some info would be leaked regarding the DSLR. Whatever. tv -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It doesn't sound very plausible. Pål Jensen wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr.
Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V02 #234
Bruce wrote: If you can't buy it, it isn't a product. The next thing you'll be telling us is that Pentax made the DSLR, makes more DSLRs than any one else and is the market leader I was responding to post who said that the camera wasn't out of the laboratory something that isn't true. Its a fully working model. Otherwise you're right.
RE: Pentax at Photokina
And entertainment was provided by Elvis, who jumped out of the safe. Oh yes, they are also digital selling bridges. From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Jensen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list)
RE: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
-Original Message- From: Jerome Daryl Coombs-Reyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:16 PM snip Pentax had nothing (much) to show. Period. Goshdornit people, can we just move on?! I mean, really. Don't you still have cameras on your shelves (apparently collecting dust) that you should be out using? Where has speculation gotten you over the past two years. My (increasingly not-so-humble) opinion is that one should either display some gool ol' fashion patience or [If its _that_ crucial] move on to another brand for digital as so many others here have quietly done [and have done so without all the hoopla, I might add]. In short... film or digital... go take some pictures... the next PUG deadline is 19 days away. Most respectfully yours, jerome Hey Jerome, I have noticed your posts, just have not gotten around to getting in touch. Should I let people in on the shots of you imitating Mark Roberts in the stream or atop Macrae?s Peak. Not that I have not taken any shots since then. When are we going to see some of those shots? I have been meaning to get in touch, but you know how busy one gets. I am really curious of the shots of me being your tripod Sherpa:-) This weekend I ended up shooting only nine rolls all but one color slides. The other was b/w print. This was the first time in quite a while that I used the MZ-S. I have been using my LXen exclusively. I needed a small camera to carry multiple. It is just too much of a pain with the MZ-S with the strap attached to the grip. I also noted that I rarely used the AF on the MZ-S. I was composing as I was following the action of the people and focused as I saw fit. I could not see myself even using one of those eye pointing focusing cameras (Canon???). I was mostly looking at the center and focusing with my peripheral vision. I may have time to get more into photography when I head north for almost three weeks here pretty soon. But that is for another post. Cesar Panama City, Florida P.S. I go have lunch with Minolta girl and I come back to 50+ posts! I cannot turn my back on you people...
RE: OT-Test.
It's easy, you just tell us where you've seen Elvis, Judge Crater or DB Cooper field testing a Pentax DSLR, and I get hit in the face with a pie. Welcome aboard. BR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry about this, I have just subscribed and I'm trying to figure out how it all works. Handmaid
RE: Canon lenses flares as hell!
OK - tell me it was a spelling error. A 35-350mm lens? I know we've come a long way and that technology is developing at a very fast pace, but such a zoom can not be a good lens. Well, if it can, I'd like some data for proof, and then I'd eat my humble pie (or Bruce could send me his - I don't think he'll need it anytime soon :) BTW - love the title of your previous post (the one about Zeiss) :) Lukasz -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Canon lenses flares as hell! I tried out the Canon 35-350 L lens today. It flares more than any Pentax lens ever made even indoors! It's AF was slower than on the Pentax 600/4 in spite of USM (with the EOS 1n). Otherwise they lens looked great. Useful range at least. The optics is probably better than one could expect except for excessive flare. Pål
Re: Canon lenses flares as hell!
on 01.10.02 22:03, Lukasz Kacperczyk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK - tell me it was a spelling error. A 35-350mm lens? I know we've come a long way and that technology is developing at a very fast pace, but such a zoom can not be a good lens. Well, if it can, I'd like some data for proof, and then I'd eat my humble pie (or Bruce could send me his - I don't think he'll need it anytime soon :) That was not a spelling error ;-) There is such a lens. You can read more at: http://www.usa.canon.com/eflenses/lineup/telephotozoom/index.html It is regarded as quite good lens in many tests as the Sigma 50-500 is... -- Best Regards Sylwek
RE: Canon lenses flares as hell!
I was about to agree Lukasz; The 35-350 being a 10x zoom range, you'd think it was a crap-tastic lens but some people seem to like it: http://www.photographyreview.com/35mm,Zoom/Canon,EF,35-350mm,f-3.5-5.6L,USM/ PRD_83419_3128crx.aspx That being said; I personally would steer clear of a lens of this magnitude - I don't care how many people would like it. If it's beyond 3x zoom, I don't know how much quality can be held in the images that it's going to take. Not to mention that the lens is pricey ($2700.00 CDN). I could get the 28-135 IS USMwhich is probably a better lens (albeit, 4.75x zoom approx) AND the 100 f2.8 macro USM and probably still enough money left over for a new body (camera body that is... or whatever body you would choose to spend it on.. *smirk*). Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: Lukasz Kacperczyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Canon lenses flares as hell! OK - tell me it was a spelling error. A 35-350mm lens? I know we've come a long way and that technology is developing at a very fast pace, but such a zoom can not be a good lens. Well, if it can, I'd like some data for proof, and then I'd eat my humble pie (or Bruce could send me his - I don't think he'll need it anytime soon :) BTW - love the title of your previous post (the one about Zeiss) :) Lukasz -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Canon lenses flares as hell! I tried out the Canon 35-350 L lens today. It flares more than any Pentax lens ever made even indoors! It's AF was slower than on the Pentax 600/4 in spite of USM (with the EOS 1n). Otherwise they lens looked great. Useful range at least. The optics is probably better than one could expect except for excessive flare. Pål
Vs: Pentax at Photokina
I did talk with the Finnish importer´s guys at the Photokina and the general feeling was of a disappointment. I did learn that Pål has good sources, though. BTW we did have a PDML meet at the Photokina - Dario, Patrick and myself - a small one indeed but we thought that it would be a good idea to organise a bigger one at the next Photokina so we could discuss things like this among ourselves and maybe get someone from Pentax to answer questions. Would you like it? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 01. lokakuuta 2002 19:07 Aihe: Re: Pentax at Photokina snip I have no idea of what Pentax showed under the table at Photokina, but they DID show things. My guess is as good as anys. Pål
Re: Pentax at Photokina
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote: It certainly is a perfect power source for IS. BTW The more conspiratory among us can perhaps figure out if Pentax made changes to the 645 lens mount to provide for IS when they upgraded the 645N to the 645NII. Alrighty then, gearheads, get cracking! Gearheads? I guess that doesn't work.. filmheads, get cracking! No, wait, perhaps, shutterheads? Oh, eck. Although, in regards to the power source, I was actually thinking for a digital insert, since I assumed the regular in-camera powered the IS feature.. Or, would, since none of it exists, yet? I've never seen an IS lens, I have no concept of how it works. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Re: Weird Pentax statement from HP camera division boss
Pentax and HP are in may ways different. Whereas Pentax is concentrating on the professional market, HP will have it's main focus on the consumer market. Huh? That's easy. Ham, eggs and chips. *hic* Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Re[2]: anyone care to bid? :)
Hey JCO, Right down your alley!!! Bob - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: anyone care to bid? :) Or to pay for shipping from California to Canada (Where I live).. You canucks out there... imagine the taxes @ the border ! Well, I was trying to imagine my NY contact, Margot, dragging that lot through Heathrow on one of her tri-yearly visits, naturally bounding through the 'green' lane... 'excuse me madam, but is that C5 Galaxy behind you, yours?' 'why officer, I've never seen it before in my life' 'can you please open the nose?' 13,000,000 USD worth of photo gear falls out 'oh dear, what on earth is all that??' :-) Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: OT Canon lenses flares as hell!
35-350 L Oxymoron ? *hic* Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Motor Drive LX question...
In the picture in the catalog it is positioned exactly where one would expect to find a vertical shutter release. So perhaps this picture also includes the NiCad Pack too. -- Nick Wright http://www.wrightfoto.com/ -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Motor Drive LX question... Date: Tue, Oct 1, 2002, 5:36 PM In the current KEH catalog (paper version) they have a picture of an LX with motordrive attached. There is some sort of button visible on the motordrive. Is this a vertical shutter release? If not, what is it? TIA. Nick, I'm on Digest, so someone's probably answered you by now, but hey, the wine's kicked in and I'll write about *anything*. I have on in my hand (sorry folks, sold) - the only 'button' is 2 concentric rotating dials. The outer dial controls drive mode (single, continuous, rewind, off), the inner one, drive speed (low through to high - 5 fps). The vertical shutter release may be found on the NiCad Pack LX. Or are you referring to the plastic blank on one end, which is a black plastic cover for the remote port? That slips off and allows a remote lead to attach. HTH Cotty *hic* Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: pentax-discuss-d Digest V02 #234
Until I can buy one in BH, it's as much a product as a cruise trip to Pluto is. Now just a cotton-pickin minute there Bruce, wanna see my holiday snaps!? *hic* Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Canon lenses flares as hell!
It exist allright. How good it is I don't know. It flares though and it isn't multicoated at all! It is about as multicoated as your average Coke bottle. There are people who believed flare control had little to do with multicoating, but lens design (I think that's what Canon said). There are also people who believe their Nikkors were the more flare resistance than SMC even though they didn't try SMC at all. regards, Alan Chan
Re: October PUG comments
Thanks for the kind comment Martin, William in Utah. 10/1/2002 7:37:39 AM, Martin Mielke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never commented on PUG images before, mainly for two reasons. 1) I admit to feeling self conscious after seeing so many great images month after month. 2) I hate picking favourites. However, I enjoyed October's PUG so much, I'll break my silence. With much hemming and hawing, I have to say that my favourites are Alvise Zen's Will Snow? (great clarity and sense fo depth), William Johnson's Rainy Day (the textures and colours are very appealing), and Facit's Thru the Windscreen (signs of a great eye and quick reflexes). I do humbly suggest that the little specks near the top of this last image could be eliminated with something like Paintshop Pro's Clone Brush tool. Martin
RE: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
Stop being boring and go out and sail a boat ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist! -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 October 2002 23:13 To: Pentax List Subject: Re: Photokina and Pentax - the future? I think Jerome raises some interesting points, but I also think he is wrong (with the greatest of respect), and this is why: [snip re Pentax and Photokina] Pentax had nothing (much) to show. Period. Goshdornit people, can we just move on?! I mean, really. Don't you still have cameras on your shelves (apparently collecting dust) that you should be out using? Where has speculation gotten you over the past two years. My (increasingly not-so-humble) opinion is that one should either display some gool ol' fashion patience or [If its _that_ crucial] move on to another brand for digital as so many others here have quietly done [and have done so without all the hoopla, I might add]. Jerome makes a good argument here, but I think what one should not forget is that this is a discussion list, and as such, is prone to, er, discussion. Years, ago I used to be a member of the Laser List (sailing, not star Wars) and when a particular thread became tiresome to some, it was suggested that people stop being boring and go out and sail a boat, in less than polite terms. (You wanna see *unmoderated* - boy go there!) Excuse me. When I am out sailing, I have not the slightest interest in computers, sitting in front of computers, and typing. Hence, when I *am* sat in front of a computer, I am not the slightest bit interested in sailing a boat. People do one or the other, and to various degrees based on their abilities and desires. Same with photography. Right now, it's an hour before midnight, and I am sat in front of my PowerBook (free plug for Apple but hey...) and I am not the slightest bit interested in going outside and shooting a picture. What I *am* interested in is some discussion on this excellent email list, and reading the thoughts of its contributors. Sometimes that includes threads that I am not interested in, and (being a Digest Subscriber) I skip over them. I stop at the ones that interest me, including anything relating to DSLRs, including any post-Photokina threads. I am extremely interested in this thread, because there are some *extremely* knowledgeable people contributing, and I am very interested in what they have to say. Hence, I would actively encourage this thread, and others like it as a full on-topic thread worth pursuing. Jerome, please don't think I'm getting at you. I'm not. I respect your point of view, and you have some very interesting and relevant things to say (as our private emails have indeed proven). I'm merely using this as a sounding board to promote active discussion in any on-topic thread. Folks, this is the whole reason why this list exists. Discussion, sometimes calm, sometimes heated, is the very meat of progress. There may well be Pentax bods reading this thread - this very communication - glimpsing what is going on in the minds of the people who not only care about their chosen photographic manufacturer, but the people who care enough about it to actively take part in discussions about it with others. Knowledge is power (if which is the case, then ipso facto, Pentax could not possibly be reading this, eham, but one lives in hope, eh?) So carry on with gusto! Please. And now, the moment you've been waiting for, the bit where Jerome had it spot-on: In short... film or digital... go take some pictures... the next PUG deadline is 19 days away. If that isn't the BEST bit of advice (oops - keen memories will dispute this) okay - the SECOND BEST bit of advice ever I have read on this list, then I am a thong. A tiny red leather thong with beads of pewter and brass and smack on head ...er, in a word, shoot. Get out there and shoot some pictures. Hands up those who have not shot a frame in over 2 weeks. Hands up ditto in a MONTH. That's you. Take Jerome's sound advice and go out this coming weekend or whenever, and let off one roll at the very least. I promise that I will. (It won't be film though - oops, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat ;-) I raise my glass of Soave to the PDML. Cheers all, Cotty Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: which long lens to bring for an outdoor shoot
Hmmm. I don't know what exactly you are shooting, but I have found, for myself, that shooting with a prime is quicker (if that is important) than using a zoom because of there is one less control to deal with. I have had various 70-210 ish zooms and found that generally a plain 135 is more useful. That said, I don't have any experience with any of the lenses you mention, except the M135/3.5, which I've found to be a very good candid/general purpose lens. William in Utah. 10/1/2002 12:58:43 PM, ukasz Kacperczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another one - I'm quite active on the asking front now :) Here's my dilemma - M 135/3.5, M 75-150/4, or a VS1 70-210/3.5 (the first and bigger one). I would use them on an MX or a Super A body. I will shoot in BW (hence the ease/cost [not that i would buy anything now] of the use of filters as one of the factors). 135/3.5 - because it's small and I wouldn't have to mount a winder on my cameras to easily handhold it, plus it's a prime; 75-150/4 - because of its versatility and lightweight; Both the above lenses have the same filter ring diameter, so I could use my two new (will buy them tomorrow :) Rodenstock filters I would use on my other two lenses - the M 50/1.7 and the M 28/2.8. Also, they both focus down to about 1m. I have a very nice hood for my 135/3.5. VS1 70-210/3.5 - because it's the longest of the three; on the bad side - I have no filters for it, no lenshood; I would have to mount a winder to at least dream of handholding a shot below 1/500; it only focuses down to 2m. Weight is not a big issue (at least as far as carrying the stuff in the bag is concerned, I'm not sure about my neck :) Now it's your turn. Thanks in advance. ukasz
Re: New Pentax Site
On Tuesday 01 October 2002 22:21, Alan Chan wrote: Say, Peter? You are going to Japan are you not. Gee you could be the PDML distributor or the Sharon camera!!! Maybe we could open our own online shop and import stuffs from Japan directly. :) regards, Alan Chan Peter already is doing that! -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)
Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V02 #234
on 10/01/02 12:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that's nice, and I believe you, but... WHAT ABOUT THE FOOT POWDER? Cameron Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:00:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Jensen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax at Photokina Message-ID: 001701c26974$7bef5340$b7ad4382@oemcomputer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Pål, is this real? Do you have any more on this? We need to hire a paparazzi to spy on any new Pentax products. :) regards, Alan Chan
