RE: Re: OT: IR vision (cry for help)

2003-07-16 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Thanks to all who suggested the cached version @ Google.  In my
frustration (during a rather busy day preparing for a month off work
[YAHOO!]) I forgot about this extremely useful feature.

I now have it on disk and hard copy, because I _know_ someone is going
to fiddle with my machine while I'm away.

Thanks also to all who offered a copy.

mike
looking forward to wasting lots of film in August



Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 11:27:11 PM, you wrote:

 My, aren't you preciousd!

what's precious about it? Somebody else raised this, and I merely
joined in. Everything there is just a plain fact, which I thought some
people might find interesting and amusing in the context. If you don't
that's fine, but you don't have to react like a twat.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Bob Walkden wrote:

well, that's very new indeed. Most of us live in houses that you guys
would treat as museums. My house was built in 1896 and is perfectly
ordinary. My sister's was built in 1837, which is no age at all. My
boarding house at school was built in 1585.

And New College, Oxford, was founded in 1379.

We're not the only ones. The French do it too. The Pont Neuf (New
Bridge) was built in the 1500s - and is the oldest bridge over the
Seine.




Re: Sadly another one goes

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
Deepets commiserations




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No SubjectRe: Something to pass on to the PDML

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
I'll blame whatever the hell I want to on Cotty.  He's way over there. 
I'm way
over here.  Wot's 'e gonna do 'bout it, eh? (I have absolutely no idea
what accent
that might be...)

Oh, a wise guy huh? I'll tell you what I'm a gonna do about it - I'm a
gonna head on over there and I'm a gonna come knockin on yer door, and
I'm a gonna say, 'Frank, what would you say to a little drink?' And
you'll say, 'Hello little drink'.

*parp*




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Re: Howe Does the DoF button work?

2003-07-16 Thread Chris Stoddart

 I understand dof, I just hadn't really noticed any focus changes. Guess
 I just wasn't focusing on a bright enough subject. Its a nice feature if
 its bright enough.

Scott,

When I started photography I too was less than impressed with the DOF
stopdown. 'Just makes he bloody viewfinder dark' and 'Can't see anything
in that' were my first impressions. It turns out the trick is to allow
your eye time to adjust. Looking thro the finder I typically shield the
eyepiece from extra light with my hand and wait for a few seconds. It's
amazing how it becomes a lot clearer when your eye is used to it - I
shoot landscapes with a 6x7 and use it all the time to check the
foreground is sharp. Thats working at f/16 or even f/22 mostly, so you can
imagine how dim that makes the view!

Chris




Filters

2003-07-16 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Oh Dear! I've missed something. I still have a filter for that strange
gentleman and so whatever he said went down the drain. Not that I care much,
but it seems to have stirred quite a response. I was threatened with bodily
harm by BD - off list - and got multi-page mail from him. It had to stop. I
was briefly unsubscribed too and that lost me some exchanges.

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Re: Howe Does the DoF button work?

2003-07-16 Thread Brendan
A trick I got off another Pdmler is to close your eyes
for 10 sec, hit the DOF button then look, helps a bit
and if your doing macro work walk with a flash light,
shin it on the subject to use the dof button.

 --- Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I understand dof, I just hadn't really noticed any
 focus changes. Guess
  I just wasn't focusing on a bright enough subject.
 Its a nice feature if
  its bright enough.
 
 Scott,
 
 When I started photography I too was less than
 impressed with the DOF
 stopdown. 'Just makes he bloody viewfinder dark' and
 'Can't see anything
 in that' were my first impressions. It turns out the
 trick is to allow
 your eye time to adjust. Looking thro the finder I
 typically shield the
 eyepiece from extra light with my hand and wait for
 a few seconds. It's
 amazing how it becomes a lot clearer when your eye
 is used to it - I
 shoot landscapes with a 6x7 and use it all the time
 to check the
 foreground is sharp. Thats working at f/16 or even
 f/22 mostly, so you can
 imagine how dim that makes the view!
 
 Chris
 
  

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Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
  Bruce, would forcing a zoom owner to use a prime lens, say 50 mm, for
  say 2 months, say forcing them to shoot, say one film a week, would
  help zoom owner improve?

 I think so. Forcing a single angle of view onto the photographer also
forces
 a level of discipline that the zoom lens doesn't.
 I think a photographer becomes much better very quickly if they use only a
 few prime lenses for an extended period.
 However, I also think I am in the minority on this one, but I also think I
 am in the minority of people on this list who have taught photography.

 William Robb


I should probably stay out of this, but  I feel the same way as Mr.
Robb.  I think zooms have a place in my camera bag, but it's rare that I dig
down that deep to pull one out.  I've been trying to improve my photography
over the past couple of years, and using only single-focal-length lenses has
really given me the discipline to compose and frame better and understand
what I'm trying to accomplish.

Christian

Yep, I'll go along with that. I have 2 zooms and I much prefer to ignore
them. That said, the 2 lenses that follow me every day are a 22mm and a
45-112mm for practical coverage of most situations. In the event, I use
the 22mm for landscapes, and the zoom for grabs and people. If I'm
walking about with just one camera/lens, the one I prefer to have on the
camera as an all purpose lens is a 35mm f1.8 macro. You can do anything
with that.

Regards the zooms - if i do have the zoom aboard, I tend to use it either
fully at the wide end or fully at the telephoto end, hardly ever in the
middle - how odd. 




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Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
 My, aren't you preciousd!

what's precious about it? Somebody else raised this, and I merely
joined in. Everything there is just a plain fact, which I thought some
people might find interesting and amusing in the context. If you don't
that's fine, but you don't have to react like a twat.

He means a twate.




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RE: RE; OT:DPI start point

2003-07-16 Thread Rob Brigham
In that case scan them twice - more beers!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 15 July 2003 15:20
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: RE; OT:DPI start point
 
 
 Sounds like the best way to go.
 They are only 4, 6x7 images,at 2450 that gives me time for 
 dinner and 3-4 beersvbg 
 
 Dave 
 
Hi Dave,
  
  I would scan at max resolution. It is easier and better to 
 downsize an 
  image then it is to try and res it up. The only place you 
 might need 
  near the full res is a large image in a brochure, or a full page 
  magazine ad (dream big). Better to have it and not need it then the 
  other way around.
  
  BUTCH
  
  Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.
  
  Hermann Hess (Demian)
  
  
 
   
 
 
 
 



Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Chris Stoddart

  Quote may be inaccurate but the point is self-evident.
  Those Brits have a fascinating handle on the concept of time. :)

Reminds me of the old 'joke' that goes:

Two American tourists arrive at Runnymede at the side of the Thames to
find loads of people running around in Medieval costume. They stop a
passing minstrel.
Say Buddy, what's going on?
We're celebrating the anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta! The
minstrel replies.
When was it? the American asks
1215 comes the reply.
The American looks at his watch and turns to his partner, Gee Honey, we
just missed it

Like you say, a different concept of time :-)

Chris




Re: Sadly another one goes

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
Deepets commiserations

Sorry, that should be 'deepest' commiserations.






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Thanks,from Gordy

2003-07-16 Thread brooksdj

Just want to say thanks to all those who had kinds words about losing 
Gordy.
Very much 
appreciated and helped the 3 of us through a tough night.
Sorry to post on the pdml,but sometimes you need to lean on friends for a short time.
Next one stays as an indoor cat.To late for the other 3 g

Dave Liz Erin and the 3 left




Camera exchange Ottawa

2003-07-16 Thread brooksdj
  http://www.camera-exchange.com

Just had a look at the site and they have a ton of used equipment.I  gather from the 
site
thats all the sell 
except for some new digital stuff.
They also seem to have a studio to rent.
Pentax is from page 30 ro 40 on the PDF download. Lots of K 1000's,MX/ME and
Spotties,fixed and 
zooms.
I have never dealt with them,just thoug someone may be interested.I spent this months
budjet all ready.

Dave





Re: Howe Does the DoF button work?

2003-07-16 Thread Scott D
Thanks for all the DoF replies, I think I've got it now.

Doug Franklin wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:52:07 +0100 (BST), Chris Stoddart wrote:

 

When I started photography I too was less than impressed with the DOF
stopdown. 'Just makes he bloody viewfinder dark' and 'Can't see anything
in that' were my first impressions. It turns out the trick is to allow
your eye time to adjust.
   

And look at the stuff that's not in focus rather than the stuff that
is.  I tend to look at the parts that are out of focus in the normal
viewfinder, but that I want in focus in the final image, then press and
release the DOFP button a couple of times.
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ



 




Re: Sadly another one goes

2003-07-16 Thread Michael Bergstrom
My apologies.  I've never lived in a house with fewer
than two cats in residence.  I have more vivid (and
often more fond) memories of the cats I've lived with
than many of the people.

Michael


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1618301
 
 They say the good die young.Must be true.Eight
 months old,now gone.Followed another local
 cat across 
 a busy road to the east of us.Only one made it to
 the other side.
 Sighh
 Three in a year.This is to much.
 Over shadows my new 28mm i recieved to day.No joy in
 mudville tonight.
 
 Sorry for the post.I feel better typing this to my
 group of friends.
 
 Dave  
 
 


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Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Dan Matyola
Bob:

Here, that is quite a vulgar term.  Of course, we're not as cultured as 
you are over there, living in ancient baronial estates.

Bob Walkden wrote:

what's precious about it? Somebody else raised this, and I merely
joined in. Everything there is just a plain fact, which I thought some
people might find interesting and amusing in the context. If you don't
that's fine, but you don't have to react like a twat.




Re: Takumer (Bayonet) 135 f2.5

2003-07-16 Thread Fred
 Difference between f2.5 and f3.5 is significant - you will
 appreciate it in low light levels!

...except that the Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5, with its not overly
generous 52mm filter threads (unlike the K 135/2.5, which has 58mm
threads) would seem unlikely to be much faster than f/2.8.  In any
event, by my measurements, the Takumar Bayonet certainly has a much
narrower front element than does the SMC K 135/2.5 -

SMC K 135/2.5 : measured 52 mm front element diameter - f/2.6

Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5 : meas. 49 mm front element diam. - f/2.8

http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/135's/135252.jpg

The above is a photo of two supposedly f/2.5 135mm lenses - the SMC
K 135/2.5 is on the left, while the Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5 - the
one that shows my reflection (g) - is on the right.  It would seem
that both lenses do not fit the same specification.

Of course, the original point I quoted from is still basically true
- there is still a significant difference between an f/2.8 lens and
an f/3.5 lens.

Fred




Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Caveman
whickersworld wrote:
The literal translation of Pont Neuf is Bridge 9.  Where
did New come from?
neuf, neuve adj. et n. m. I. adj. 1. Qui est fait depuis peu. Maison neuve.
 2. Qui na pas encore servi. Un habit neuf.  Loc. Faire peau neuve: 
muer, en parlant du serpent; fig. se transformer entirement. Salle de 
spectacle qui fait peau neuve, qui est entirement ramnage, refaite.
 3. Plus rcent (par oppos.  ancien,  vieux). La vieille ville et la 
ville neuve.

cheers,
caveman


RE: Sadly another one goes

2003-07-16 Thread Amita Guha
David, my condolences on your loss. He was a beautiful kitty.

Amita



Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Herb Chong
it means the same thing in Old English as it does now on both sides of the ocean.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Dan Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 09:32
Subject: Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not


 Here, that is quite a vulgar term.  Of course, we're not as cultured as 
 you are over there, living in ancient baronial estates.





Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Pentxuser
Both primes and zooms have their place. I really don't think it makes all 
that much difference whether you use a zoom or a prime for the type of shooting 
most of us do. I think it is more a question of what feels good at any one 
moment. For many of us it is as much about the experience as the result.  
There are times I want the convenience of a zoom and there are times I want 
the light weight (generally faster) traits of a prime.
Quality- unless you're looking at publication in National Geographic  or huge 
enlargements, I really don't think it's anything to waste too much time on.
My belief is that what makes a lens great for any particular photographer is 
not necessarily the quality of pictures it takes (providing it meets a certain 
standard) but it's usefulness, it's handling, build quality  and most 
important its range or its particular focal length.  
For example, I love zooms in the 28-105 focal lengths. They are incredibly 
useful tools for me. If you were to ask me what my favourite zoom is it would li
kely be the 28-105. Not because it is necessarily the best lens I have but it 
is the one I reach for most often. Therefore it's (in my opinion a great 
lens.) 
For someone else it is an 80-200.
For someone else it is an 85 prime, a 24 prime That's the lens they use 
most often. To them that's a great lens
I think build quality and how the lens feels with the camera and looks 
through the viewfinder influences people's opinions as much as what the lens 
produces in the way of pictures. If you feel comfortable with a lens and like the way 
it feels, chances are you will produce great images with it. This is often 
what influences people more toward loving a particular prime lens. They're 
small, well built, simple to use and they are usually faster than they're zoom 
counterparts. Photographers like what they see through the viewfinder, they like 
the feel of the lens on the camera ... and they create nice pictures as a 
result and enjoy the whole process. I don't think it means that the pictures are 
really much better in most cases. 
Just my 2 cents

vic  
  



Need to contact Albano Garcia

2003-07-16 Thread jerome
Albano,can you email me off list? (or if someone has a recent email addy for 
him...) Thanks.



Re: Filters

2003-07-16 Thread Steve Larson
Bodily harm? Wow, he is even more whacko than I thought.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California


- Original Message - 
From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:52 AM
Subject: Filters


 Oh Dear! I've missed something. I still have a filter for that strange
 gentleman and so whatever he said went down the drain. Not that I care
much,
 but it seems to have stirred quite a response. I was threatened with
bodily
 harm by BD - off list - and got multi-page mail from him. It had to stop.
I
 was briefly unsubscribed too and that lost me some exchanges.

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Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Michel Carrre-Ge
Caveman a crit:
whickersworld wrote:

The literal translation of Pont Neuf is Bridge 9.  Where
did New come from?


neuf, neuve adj. et n. m. I. adj. 1. Qui est fait depuis peu. Maison neuve.
 2. Qui na pas encore servi. Un habit neuf.  Loc. Faire peau neuve: 
muer, en parlant du serpent; fig. se transformer entirement. Salle de 
spectacle qui fait peau neuve, qui est entirement ramnage, refaite.
 3. Plus rcent (par oppos.  ancien,  vieux). La vieille ville et la 
ville neuve.

cheers,
caveman
In French : neuf = that has been constructed lately
Once bridges were in wood, when they were destroyed one constructed
another one that became he  pont neuf .
Later, one constructed bridges in stone and the first bridge in stone
took the name of  pont neuf , it resisted the raw. Later, one
constructed other bridges more news; but as they have not been
destroyed, them  pont neuf  kept their name and its the oldest bridge!
Michel
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/



Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Caveman
Michel Carrre-Ge a crit:

Caveman a crit:
That should be L'homme des cavernes a crit: ;-)



Sony inspired by Fuji ?

2003-07-16 Thread Caveman
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0307/03071601sonyrgbeccd.asp

This suspiciously looks similar to Fuji's 4 layers film idea ;-)

cheers,
caveman


Today in the garden

2003-07-16 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I trotted outside today with a Hewlett Packard 620 that I'd borrowed to take
some eBay pictures. I put a load of stuff on yesterday. Anyway, I took some
close-ups of flowers and they're not half bad. I think digital is going to
be on my shopping list now. So far I've been mainly ignoring the D *ist
posts but did gather it can be used with the lenses I have. So I'll start
saving. Perhaps I can dump all film bodies and save myself hours of time
processing and scanning film. At my age every minute is precious.

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Re: Sony inspired by Fuji ?

2003-07-16 Thread Alin Flaider

Caveman wrote:

C http://www.dpreview.com/news/0307/03071601sonyrgbeccd.asp
C This suspiciously looks similar to Fuji's 4 layers film idea ;-)

  Finally they had enough of sony red mocking. ;o)

  Actually, I would rather see the Foveon layered photosites approach
  succeeding. Now that's similar to film...
 
  Servus, Alin



Re: Takumer (Bayonet) 135 f2.5

2003-07-16 Thread Keith Whaley
Isn't it that the 52mm front thread lens (Tak Bayo) is also a the
shorter lens, making the light path less long? Not so much light bending
to go on, and the same effective aperture can be physically less wide,
in a shorter lens assembly.
So I have gathered from what I've seen over the years...

A long, fat f/2.5 and a shorter, narrower f/2.5 are essentially just
different ways of reaching the same place.

keith whaley

Fred wrote:
 
  Difference between f2.5 and f3.5 is significant - you will
  appreciate it in low light levels!
 
 ...except that the Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5, with its not overly
 generous 52mm filter threads (unlike the K 135/2.5, which has 58mm
 threads) would seem unlikely to be much faster than f/2.8.  In any
 event, by my measurements, the Takumar Bayonet certainly has a much
 narrower front element than does the SMC K 135/2.5 -
 
 SMC K 135/2.5 : measured 52 mm front element diameter - f/2.6
 
 Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5 : meas. 49 mm front element diam. - f/2.8
 
 http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/135's/135252.jpg
 
 The above is a photo of two supposedly f/2.5 135mm lenses - the SMC
 K 135/2.5 is on the left, while the Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5 - the
 one that shows my reflection (g) - is on the right.  It would seem
 that both lenses do not fit the same specification.
 
 Of course, the original point I quoted from is still basically true
 - there is still a significant difference between an f/2.8 lens and
 an f/3.5 lens.
 
 Fred



Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2939704395category=15240

Some lovely kit there and it would be great to sell it in one go, keep it
together. However, FWIW, I wouldn't touch a zero feedback seller. No
disrespect, but unless I was able to pay and collect in person, it just
wouldn't happen




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Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.

2003-07-16 Thread Keith Whaley


Cotty wrote:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2939704395category=15240
 
 Some lovely kit there and it would be great to sell it in one go, keep it
 together. However, FWIW, I wouldn't touch a zero feedback seller. No
 disrespect, but unless I was able to pay and collect in person, it just
 wouldn't happen
 
 Cheers,
   Cotty

And, the price is right, if all pieces are, as he says, new or barely
used. (I'm paraphrasing...)
And if all lenses are Pentax, and none have fungus or glass marks, and
so on...
Are the bodies guaranteed to function well? Have they sat in a case, in
a closet for the past 10 years without being used? Battery compartments
clean and pristine? No corrosion? (the seller DOES live in temperate,
dry Florida, as you recall...)  grin

Etc., etc.

Too much UN-known here, as you say...

keith whaley



Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Michael Bergstrom
Very shortly after I got my K1000 (as a gift from my
mom; Thanks mom!) I bought the 28-80 Takumar-A
because, of course, I NEEDED a zoom and it was a
Pentax and looked nice, etc.  I used it exclusively
for awhile until it loosened up to the point of
absurdity.  I could change the framing and focus just
by wiggling the front element from side to side.  I
started using the 50mm that came with my camera and
realized what I had been missing in terms of the ease
of focus and beautifully bright view.  I found I
didn't miss being able to adjust the angle of view too
much, and I think it helped me begin to understand
what's important to include in a given frame and what
to exclude.

I only picked up the zoom again recently just to see
if it was as I remembered it.  I held out a fleeting
hope that its ability to focus slightly beyond
infinity would allow me to capture images of objects
as they once appeared in the past, but they just
turned out fuzzy.  I'm still looking for a
four-dimensional zoom.  :-)

-Michael

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Both primes and zooms have their place. I really
 don't think it makes all 
 that much difference whether you use a zoom or a
 prime for the type of shooting 
 most of us do. I think it is more a question of what
 feels good at any one 
 moment. For many of us it is as much about the
 experience as the result.  
 There are times I want the convenience of a zoom and
 there are times I want 
 the light weight (generally faster) traits of a
 prime.
 Quality- unless you're looking at publication in
 National Geographic  or huge 
 enlargements, I really don't think it's anything to
 waste too much time on.
 My belief is that what makes a lens great for any
 particular photographer is 
 not necessarily the quality of pictures it takes
 (providing it meets a certain 
 standard) but it's usefulness, it's handling, build
 quality  and most 
 important its range or its particular focal length. 
 
 For example, I love zooms in the 28-105 focal
 lengths. They are incredibly 
 useful tools for me. If you were to ask me what my
 favourite zoom is it would li
 kely be the 28-105. Not because it is necessarily
 the best lens I have but it 
 is the one I reach for most often. Therefore it's
 (in my opinion a great 
 lens.) 
 For someone else it is an 80-200.
 For someone else it is an 85 prime, a 24 prime
 That's the lens they use 
 most often. To them that's a great lens
 I think build quality and how the lens feels with
 the camera and looks 
 through the viewfinder influences people's opinions
 as much as what the lens 
 produces in the way of pictures. If you feel
 comfortable with a lens and like the way 
 it feels, chances are you will produce great images
 with it. This is often 
 what influences people more toward loving a
 particular prime lens. They're 
 small, well built, simple to use and they are
 usually faster than they're zoom 
 counterparts. Photographers like what they see
 through the viewfinder, they like 
 the feel of the lens on the camera ... and they
 create nice pictures as a 
 result and enjoy the whole process. I don't think it
 means that the pictures are 
 really much better in most cases. 
 Just my 2 cents
 
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Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Caveman
Here it is:

Thank you for inquiry. We are striving to please our clients, and in 
this respect, we've already evaluated the possibility of using the 
latest RGBE CCD chip technology available from Sony. Consistent with our 
company's policy, we think that a 1-2 years delay in releasing our first 
DSLR is less important than having it up to date with the latest 
technology, leading to a higher degree of customer satisfaction. 
Consequently, we have started to redesign the camera around the new CCD 
chip technology. We will also take advantage of this deadline extension 
to address some other known issues as well. Some minor ones, like 
replacing the USB 1.1 port with a more current 2.0 one, but also some 
fundamental ones like the further refining of the lens mount. Working 
together with our most advanced client we concluded that backward 
compatibility is a non issue, and it would be prefferable to use a small 
but good selection of zoom lenses, specially taylored to fit digital's 
needs. We eventually decided that the focus shaft will be relocated to 
the bottom of the lens mount, where it fits more conveniently and would 
allow for a simplified mechanism with less parts, and also permitting an 
economy of $0.24 per unit. An extra electrical contact will be placed in 
the former place of the focus shaft, allowing for a later to be 
implemented advanced protocol for data transmission between the lens and 
the camera. The side effect - of making the F(A) lenses being usable 
only in manual focus mode - will be of no important consequence, since 
metering would also not be available with this series, and the FA-D 
series of zooms that will replace them will offer astounding performance 
when compared to any lenses designed for film camera. Of course, for our 
advanced customers, we will also introduce a FA-D Limited series of 
primes, designed with bokeh in mind, which will further enhance the 
highly acclaimed 3-D effect of bright-edge bokeh. In order to further 
please our customers, we will also make these lenses in black finish, 
which will be available in US with the silver finish camera bodies (the 
silver finish lenses and black cameras will be reserved for the Japanese 
market only).
I hope this has answered all your questions and addressed your concerns 
regarding the future developments in our camera and lens lines.

Sincerely your,
M. Harakiri



Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I like it!

Don
___
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http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message - 
From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth


 Here it is:
 
 Thank you for inquiry. We are striving to please our clients, and in 
 this respect, we've already evaluated the possibility of using the 
 latest RGBE CCD chip technology available from Sony. Consistent with our 
 company's policy, we think that a 1-2 years delay in releasing our first 
 DSLR is less important than having it up to date with the latest 
 technology, leading to a higher degree of customer satisfaction. 
 Consequently, we have started to redesign the camera around the new CCD 
 chip technology. We will also take advantage of this deadline extension 
 to address some other known issues as well. Some minor ones, like 
 replacing the USB 1.1 port with a more current 2.0 one, but also some 
 fundamental ones like the further refining of the lens mount. Working 
 together with our most advanced client we concluded that backward 
 compatibility is a non issue, and it would be prefferable to use a small 
 but good selection of zoom lenses, specially taylored to fit digital's 
 needs. We eventually decided that the focus shaft will be relocated to 
 the bottom of the lens mount, where it fits more conveniently and would 
 allow for a simplified mechanism with less parts, and also permitting an 
 economy of $0.24 per unit. An extra electrical contact will be placed in 
 the former place of the focus shaft, allowing for a later to be 
 implemented advanced protocol for data transmission between the lens and 
 the camera. The side effect - of making the F(A) lenses being usable 
 only in manual focus mode - will be of no important consequence, since 
 metering would also not be available with this series, and the FA-D 
 series of zooms that will replace them will offer astounding performance 
 when compared to any lenses designed for film camera. Of course, for our 
 advanced customers, we will also introduce a FA-D Limited series of 
 primes, designed with bokeh in mind, which will further enhance the 
 highly acclaimed 3-D effect of bright-edge bokeh. In order to further 
 please our customers, we will also make these lenses in black finish, 
 which will be available in US with the silver finish camera bodies (the 
 silver finish lenses and black cameras will be reserved for the Japanese 
 market only).
 I hope this has answered all your questions and addressed your concerns 
 regarding the future developments in our camera and lens lines.
 
 Sincerely your,
 M. Harakiri
 
 



[VERY OT] Anyone used the Rates To Go accomodation service?

2003-07-16 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk
Hi there,

I know this is very OT, but I've nowhere else to ask :-)

I've found some really nice last minute deal for hotels in Paris on a
Rates To Go website (www.ratestogo.com), and was wondering if they're
trustworthy. Anyone's ever used their services?

TIA.

Best regards,
ukasz

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Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.

2003-07-16 Thread brooksdj
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItemitem=2939704395category=15240
 
 Some lovely kit there and it would be great to sell it in one go, keep it
 together. However, FWIW, I wouldn't touch a zero feedback seller. No
 disrespect, but unless I was able to pay and collect in person, it just
 wouldn't happen

 Cheers,
   Cotty

I see your point,espesially for the price of it.(nice looking gear though)When i start 
to
sell a few things 
on ebay soon,i will have 0 feedback,but,several pdmlers that i have dealt with have 
agreed
to supply 
feedback via email to bidders.Only one problem,i forgot to ask what kind i'll get.vbg

Dave




Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.

2003-07-16 Thread Jostein
I think the same kit, or the same picture, has been displayed before 
on eBay. IIRC, it spawned a few PDML posts on the virtues of 
labelling the lens caps. Don't remember when, sorry.

Jostein


On 16 Jul 2003 at 10:20, Keith Whaley wrote:

 
 Etc., etc.
 
 Too much UN-known here, as you say...
 
 keith whaley
 
 




Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Jostein
hehe... Good one.
Think I'll wait for more stable news, though...
Jostein

On 16 Jul 2003 at 13:38, Caveman wrote:

 Here it is:
 
 Thank you for inquiry. 
[snip]
 Sincerely your,
 M. Harakiri
 
 
 




Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Jostein
My first lens was a Takumar-A 28-80. As the newbie I was, I got very 
frustrated with my own skill. Especially all the shots of backlit 
scenes that became dull and grey. When I got a A-50/1.7, I realised 
that it was not only me; but also the lens. Years later, on the PDML, 
I learned what a dog that Tak-A is; one of the few SLR lenses not 
multicoated...

Anyway, I have prefered primes since then, but ever since I bought 
Cotty's Sigma 80-200/2.8 a while ago, I think I'm developing a soft 
spot for zooms again. The versatility of zooms is just great. 
Especially for travel kits.

cheers,
Jostein

 
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Both primes and zooms have their place. 
[snip]




Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 9:13:25 AM, you wrote:

 Reminds me of the old 'joke' that goes:

 Two American tourists arrive at Runnymede at the side of the Thames to
 find loads of people running around in Medieval costume. They stop a
 passing minstrel.
 Say Buddy, what's going on?
 We're celebrating the anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta! The
 minstrel replies.
 When was it? the American asks
 1215 comes the reply.
 The American looks at his watch and turns to his partner, Gee Honey, we
 just missed it

 Like you say, a different concept of time :-)

I know a similar one, which a friend of mine assures me is true - he
says he was there when it happened.

A guide was taking a group of tourists around Skipton Castle
(http://www.skiptoncastle.co.uk/). As he was talking aeroplanes flew over
regularly from the nearby airport. Eventually one of the tourists, frustrated
by the constant interruptions to the commentary, said 'Geez, with all the money
they musta had you'd think they'd have built their castle further from the
airport'.

(collapse of tour guide)

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:14:41 AM, you wrote:

 Bob Walkden wrote:

 We're not the only ones. The French do it too. The Pont
 Neuf (New
 Bridge) was built in the 1500s - and is the oldest bridge
 over the
 Seine.


 The literal translation of Pont Neuf is Bridge 9.  Where
 did New come from?

Convergent evolution. Different Latin words - novis and novem - have
evolved into the same French word neuf, which has stayed in the
language and evolved further into nouveau/nouvelle. Neuf, like ancien
(which is a false friend), is quite a subtle word. We don't really
have a direct equivalent and normally use 'new' for both 'nouveau' and
'neuf'.

 Neu is German for New.  The French words for New are
 nouveau and nouvelle (m/f).  This would mean that the
 literal translation into French of New Bridge would be
 Pont Nouveau.

 Perhaps we should discuss this further over a slightly
 chilled glass of Beaujolais Neuf.  g

Pas de probleme on that one!

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

BR I think that it is something like practicing scales on a musical
BR instrument: it's an exercise to make you better, and not an end in 
BR itself.

BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Bruce, would forcing a zoom owner to use a prime lens, say 50 mm, for
say 2 months, say forcing them to shoot, say one film a week, would
help zoom owner improve?
  


I know virtually zilch about music, but I agree with the second part -
it's an exercise to make you better, and not an end in itself.

I have both zooms and primes. I know for sure that my head really
works (though you cannot hear the gears moving grin) when I am out
with a single prime attached to one of the cameras that I have. When I
am out with zoom lens, two things are happening that I think are bad
for me:

1. I am using exclusively ends of the zoom range. So in a sense, if I
had two primes with these focal lengths, I need not have a zoom.
Especially true for 28-135, since I have 35 and 135 mm primes. Though
of course 35 mm is narrower than 28.

2. I am snap-shooting. I point my camera to whatever I think I like, I
zoom in/out and I shoot.

All my attempts to force me to choose one focal length of a zoom lens
and pretend it is a prime, failed miserably.

Ultimately, I think that for a student of photography, not a well
defined maestro, primes are a good way to develop. OTOH zoom lenses
can be a good way to start into photography. They allow you to try
various things and decide which attracts you more. Then you could try
to explore whatever you liked with zoom lens and start growing as a
photographer. The first time my Sigma zoom was put onto the shelf for
a long period of time was three of four months after I got my initial
kit.

I keep my zooms for those hopefully rare occasions when I would know
in advance only zoom could do.

By the way I am glad in a sense that William Robb (who happens to be a
photo teacher) agreed with my previous thoughts on the subject.

One more by the way - the PUG is coming... I made my submission
already he he.

---
Boris Liberman
www.geocities.com/dunno57



Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Keith Whaley
Are we talking about the *ist-D here? I know of no horse's mouth model!

Also, I know of no  M. Harakiri in Pentax or elsewhere, other than the
band, such as it is...

Thanks,  keith whaley

Caveman wrote:
 
 Here it is:
 
 Thank you for inquiry. We are striving to please our clients, and in
 this respect, we've already evaluated the possibility of using the
 latest RGBE CCD chip technology available from Sony. Consistent with our
 company's policy, we think that a 1-2 years delay in releasing our first
 DSLR is less important than having it up to date with the latest
 technology, leading to a higher degree of customer satisfaction.
 Consequently, we have started to redesign the camera around the new CCD
 chip technology. We will also take advantage of this deadline extension
 to address some other known issues as well. Some minor ones, like
 replacing the USB 1.1 port with a more current 2.0 one, but also some
 fundamental ones like the further refining of the lens mount. Working
 together with our most advanced client we concluded that backward
 compatibility is a non issue, and it would be prefferable to use a small
 but good selection of zoom lenses, specially taylored to fit digital's
 needs. We eventually decided that the focus shaft will be relocated to
 the bottom of the lens mount, where it fits more conveniently and would
 allow for a simplified mechanism with less parts, and also permitting an
 economy of $0.24 per unit. An extra electrical contact will be placed in
 the former place of the focus shaft, allowing for a later to be
 implemented advanced protocol for data transmission between the lens and
 the camera. The side effect - of making the F(A) lenses being usable
 only in manual focus mode - will be of no important consequence, since
 metering would also not be available with this series, and the FA-D
 series of zooms that will replace them will offer astounding performance
 when compared to any lenses designed for film camera. Of course, for our
 advanced customers, we will also introduce a FA-D Limited series of
 primes, designed with bokeh in mind, which will further enhance the
 highly acclaimed 3-D effect of bright-edge bokeh. In order to further
 please our customers, we will also make these lenses in black finish,
 which will be available in US with the silver finish camera bodies (the
 silver finish lenses and black cameras will be reserved for the Japanese
 market only).
 I hope this has answered all your questions and addressed your concerns
 regarding the future developments in our camera and lens lines.
 
 Sincerely your,
 M. Harakiri



Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread LEONARD PARIS
Har!  Mr. Belly Cutter indeed! Good one, Valentin!

Len
---
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:49:18 +0300
 Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like it!

Don
___
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http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002
- Original Message - 
From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's 
mouth


Here it is:

Thank you for inquiry. We are striving to please our 
clients, and in 
this respect, we've already evaluated the possibility of 
using the 
latest RGBE CCD chip technology available from Sony. 
Consistent with our 
company's policy, we think that a 1-2 years delay in 
releasing our first 
DSLR is less important than having it up to date with 
the latest 
technology, leading to a higher degree of customer 
satisfaction. 
Consequently, we have started to redesign the camera 
around the new CCD 
chip technology. We will also take advantage of this 
deadline extension 
to address some other known issues as well. Some minor 
ones, like 
replacing the USB 1.1 port with a more current 2.0 one, 
but also some 
fundamental ones like the further refining of the lens 
mount. Working 
together with our most advanced client we concluded that 
backward 
compatibility is a non issue, and it would be 
prefferable to use a small 
but good selection of zoom lenses, specially taylored to 
fit digital's 
needs. We eventually decided that the focus shaft will 
be relocated to 
the bottom of the lens mount, where it fits more 
conveniently and would 
allow for a simplified mechanism with less parts, and 
also permitting an 
economy of $0.24 per unit. An extra electrical contact 
will be placed in 
the former place of the focus shaft, allowing for a 
later to be 
implemented advanced protocol for data transmission 
between the lens and 
the camera. The side effect - of making the F(A) lenses 
being usable 
only in manual focus mode - will be of no important 
consequence, since 
metering would also not be available with this series, 
and the FA-D 
series of zooms that will replace them will offer 
astounding performance 
when compared to any lenses designed for film camera. Of 
course, for our 
advanced customers, we will also introduce a FA-D 
Limited series of 
primes, designed with bokeh in mind, which will further 
enhance the 
highly acclaimed 3-D effect of bright-edge bokeh. In 
order to further 
please our customers, we will also make these lenses in 
black finish, 
which will be available in US with the silver finish 
camera bodies (the 
silver finish lenses and black cameras will be reserved 
for the Japanese 
market only).
I hope this has answered all your questions and 
addressed your concerns 
regarding the future developments in our camera and lens 
lines.

Sincerely your,
M. Harakiri





Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Blivit4
Don't bring the camera to your eye until you are ready to take a picture. You are not 
ready to take a picture until you know what you want. Assuming that I'm not taking a 
picture of some fleeting moment event, that I can't position myself for, I look at the 
subject and light and figure out how I want that 3D scene projected onto a 2D plane. 
Then I go to the spot to get that, while setting things like focal length and 
aperture, look through the finder, tweak and shoot.

BR

Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

2. I am snap-shooting. I point my camera to whatever I think I like, I
zoom in/out and I shoot.

All my attempts to force me to choose one focal length of a zoom lens
and pretend it is a prime, failed miserably.


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Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Caveman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I look at the subject and light and figure out how I want that 3D scene projected onto a 2D plane.
What version of AutoCAD do you currently use ?

cheers,
caveman


ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread dick graham
Okay folks, enough of the news from the Cave.  I just got off the phone 
with Pentax USA and was informed that the release date for the ist D will 
be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.  That puts it out to us by mid August -early 
September.  He also told me the street price would be $1600 USD here in the US.

DG



Re: ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread Caveman
dick graham wrote:

I just got off the 
phone with Pentax USA and was informed that the release date for the ist 
D will be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.
Old news. They said exactly that several months ago. ;-)

cheers,
caveman


Re: ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread Brendan
This is good, now lets see if it can beat the 10D in
sharpness and colour.

 --- dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay folks, enough of the news from the Cave.  I
 just got off the phone 
 with Pentax USA and was informed that the release
 date for the ist D will 
 be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.  That puts it out to us by
 mid August -early 
 September.  He also told me the street price would
 be $1600 USD here in the US.
 
 DG
  

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Re: ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread Christian
I hope that street price includes the 16-35 FAJ..

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:44 PM
Subject: ist-D Release Date


 Okay folks, enough of the news from the Cave.  I just got off the phone
 with Pentax USA and was informed that the release date for the ist D will
 be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.  That puts it out to us by mid August -early
 September.  He also told me the street price would be $1600 USD here in
the US.

 DG




Re: ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread Dag T
you mean the 12-36mm

DagT

På onsdag, 16. juli 2003, kl. 22:50, skrev Christian:

I hope that street price includes the 16-35 FAJ..

Christian

- Original Message -
From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:44 PM
Subject: ist-D Release Date

Okay folks, enough of the news from the Cave.  I just got off the 
phone
with Pentax USA and was informed that the release date for the ist D 
will
be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.  That puts it out to us by mid August -early
September.  He also told me the street price would be $1600 USD here 
in
the US.
DG






Re: ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread dick graham
Which means they are on schedule.

DG



At 04:58 PM 7/16/03 -0400, you wrote:
dick graham wrote:

I just got off the phone with Pentax USA and was informed that the 
release date for the ist D will be in 1 to 1 1/2 months.
Old news. They said exactly that several months ago. ;-)

cheers,
caveman




Re: ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread Bill Owens
According to Pop Photo, even the Optio S beats the 10D in color.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: ist-D Release Date


 This is good, now lets see if it can beat the 10D in
 sharpness and colour.




Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Albano Garcia

LOL

Regards

Albano


--- Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here it is:
 
 Thank you for inquiry. We are striving to please
 our clients, and in 
 this respect, we've already evaluated the
 possibility of using the 
 latest RGBE CCD chip technology available from Sony.
 Consistent with our 
 company's policy, we think that a 1-2 years delay in
 releasing our first 
 DSLR is less important than having it up to date
 with the latest 
 technology, leading to a higher degree of customer
 satisfaction. 
 Consequently, we have started to redesign the camera
 around the new CCD 
 chip technology. We will also take advantage of this
 deadline extension 
 to address some other known issues as well. Some
 minor ones, like 
 replacing the USB 1.1 port with a more current 2.0
 one, but also some 
 fundamental ones like the further refining of the
 lens mount. Working 
 together with our most advanced client we concluded
 that backward 
 compatibility is a non issue, and it would be
 prefferable to use a small 
 but good selection of zoom lenses, specially
 taylored to fit digital's 
 needs. We eventually decided that the focus shaft
 will be relocated to 
 the bottom of the lens mount, where it fits more
 conveniently and would 
 allow for a simplified mechanism with less parts,
 and also permitting an 
 economy of $0.24 per unit. An extra electrical
 contact will be placed in 
 the former place of the focus shaft, allowing for a
 later to be 
 implemented advanced protocol for data transmission
 between the lens and 
 the camera. The side effect - of making the F(A)
 lenses being usable 
 only in manual focus mode - will be of no important
 consequence, since 
 metering would also not be available with this
 series, and the FA-D 
 series of zooms that will replace them will offer
 astounding performance 
 when compared to any lenses designed for film
 camera. Of course, for our 
 advanced customers, we will also introduce a FA-D
 Limited series of 
 primes, designed with bokeh in mind, which will
 further enhance the 
 highly acclaimed 3-D effect of bright-edge bokeh. In
 order to further 
 please our customers, we will also make these lenses
 in black finish, 
 which will be available in US with the silver finish
 camera bodies (the 
 silver finish lenses and black cameras will be
 reserved for the Japanese 
 market only).
 I hope this has answered all your questions and
 addressed your concerns 
 regarding the future developments in our camera and
 lens lines.
 
 Sincerely your,
 M. Harakiri
 
 


=
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El Pibe Asahi

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Re: ist-D Release Date

2003-07-16 Thread Alan Chan
According to Pop Photo, even the Optio S beats the 10D in color.
How? More natural? More vivid? More saturated? Can't be all three, can it?

regards,
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RE: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Shaun Canning
Surely you jest!!! If all my lenses are rendered manual focus only, I
won't be hanging around for too long...

Cheers

Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
High Street, Broadford, 
Vic, 3658
Mob: 0414-967 644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au


-Original Message-
From: Albano Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2003 7:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth


LOL

Regards

Albano


--- Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here it is:
 
 Thank you for inquiry. We are striving to please
 our clients, and in 
 this respect, we've already evaluated the
 possibility of using the 
 latest RGBE CCD chip technology available from Sony.
 Consistent with our 
 company's policy, we think that a 1-2 years delay in
 releasing our first 
 DSLR is less important than having it up to date
 with the latest 
 technology, leading to a higher degree of customer
 satisfaction. 
 Consequently, we have started to redesign the camera
 around the new CCD 
 chip technology. We will also take advantage of this
 deadline extension 
 to address some other known issues as well. Some
 minor ones, like 
 replacing the USB 1.1 port with a more current 2.0
 one, but also some 
 fundamental ones like the further refining of the
 lens mount. Working 
 together with our most advanced client we concluded
 that backward 
 compatibility is a non issue, and it would be
 prefferable to use a small 
 but good selection of zoom lenses, specially
 taylored to fit digital's 
 needs. We eventually decided that the focus shaft
 will be relocated to 
 the bottom of the lens mount, where it fits more
 conveniently and would 
 allow for a simplified mechanism with less parts,
 and also permitting an 
 economy of $0.24 per unit. An extra electrical
 contact will be placed in 
 the former place of the focus shaft, allowing for a
 later to be 
 implemented advanced protocol for data transmission
 between the lens and 
 the camera. The side effect - of making the F(A)
 lenses being usable 
 only in manual focus mode - will be of no important
 consequence, since 
 metering would also not be available with this
 series, and the FA-D 
 series of zooms that will replace them will offer
 astounding performance 
 when compared to any lenses designed for film
 camera. Of course, for our 
 advanced customers, we will also introduce a FA-D
 Limited series of 
 primes, designed with bokeh in mind, which will
 further enhance the 
 highly acclaimed 3-D effect of bright-edge bokeh. In
 order to further 
 please our customers, we will also make these lenses
 in black finish, 
 which will be available in US with the silver finish
 camera bodies (the 
 silver finish lenses and black cameras will be
 reserved for the Japanese 
 market only).
 I hope this has answered all your questions and
 addressed your concerns 
 regarding the future developments in our camera and
 lens lines.
 
 Sincerely your,
 M. Harakiri
 
 


=
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El Pibe Asahi

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RE: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Brendan
Val sometimes you surprise me, now you have stunned me
lol.

 --- Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Surely you jest!!! If all my lenses are rendered
 manual focus only, I
 won't be hanging around for too long...
 
 Cheers
 
 Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 High Street, Broadford, 
 Vic, 3658
 Mob: 0414-967 644
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Albano Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2003 7:13 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the
 horse's mouth
 
 
 LOL
 
 Regards
 
 Albano
 
 
 --- Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here it is:
  
  Thank you for inquiry. We are striving to please
  our clients, and in 
  this respect, we've already evaluated the
  possibility of using the 
  latest RGBE CCD chip technology available from
 Sony.
  Consistent with our 
  company's policy, we think that a 1-2 years delay
 in
  releasing our first 
  DSLR is less important than having it up to date
  with the latest 
  technology, leading to a higher degree of customer
  satisfaction. 
  Consequently, we have started to redesign the
 camera
  around the new CCD 
  chip technology. We will also take advantage of
 this
  deadline extension 
  to address some other known issues as well. Some
  minor ones, like 
  replacing the USB 1.1 port with a more current 2.0
  one, but also some 
  fundamental ones like the further refining of the
  lens mount. Working 
  together with our most advanced client we
 concluded
  that backward 
  compatibility is a non issue, and it would be
  prefferable to use a small 
  but good selection of zoom lenses, specially
  taylored to fit digital's 
  needs. We eventually decided that the focus shaft
  will be relocated to 
  the bottom of the lens mount, where it fits more
  conveniently and would 
  allow for a simplified mechanism with less parts,
  and also permitting an 
  economy of $0.24 per unit. An extra electrical
  contact will be placed in 
  the former place of the focus shaft, allowing for
 a
  later to be 
  implemented advanced protocol for data
 transmission
  between the lens and 
  the camera. The side effect - of making the F(A)
  lenses being usable 
  only in manual focus mode - will be of no
 important
  consequence, since 
  metering would also not be available with this
  series, and the FA-D 
  series of zooms that will replace them will offer
  astounding performance 
  when compared to any lenses designed for film
  camera. Of course, for our 
  advanced customers, we will also introduce a FA-D
  Limited series of 
  primes, designed with bokeh in mind, which will
  further enhance the 
  highly acclaimed 3-D effect of bright-edge bokeh.
 In
  order to further 
  please our customers, we will also make these
 lenses
  in black finish, 
  which will be available in US with the silver
 finish
  camera bodies (the 
  silver finish lenses and black cameras will be
  reserved for the Japanese 
  market only).
  I hope this has answered all your questions and
  addressed your concerns 
  regarding the future developments in our camera
 and
  lens lines.
  
  Sincerely your,
  M. Harakiri
  
  
 
 
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Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
Anyway, I have prefered primes since then, but ever since I bought 
Cotty's Sigma 80-200/2.8 a while ago, I think I'm developing a soft 
spot for zooms again. The versatility of zooms is just great. 
Especially for travel kits.

Jostein, you're such a nice guy, I'm gonna give you an extra 10mm for no
charge at all!

:-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Subject: Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Cotty
Subject: Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

hehe... Good one.
Think I'll wait for more stable news, though...

...rather than being taken for a ride


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Hot breaking news - straight from the horse's mouth

2003-07-16 Thread Caveman
Doug Franklin wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:56:53 -0400, Mark Cassino wrote:


Just a crazy idea inspired by your subject, but maybe Pentax should hire 
Mr. Ed as their spokesman - er, spokeshorse.  He's smarter than that 
crocodile guy, and, arguably, better looking  Above all, he's fast on 
his feet (all four of them)  and good with the spin.


How about Yogi Bear?  He's smarter than the average bear!

My vote goes for Francis the mule. ;-)

cheers,
caveman


Re: Takumer (Bayonet) 135 f2.5

2003-07-16 Thread Fred
 Isn't it that the 52mm front thread lens (Tak Bayo) is also a the
 shorter lens, making the light path less long? Not so much light
 bending to go on, and the same effective aperture can be
 physically less wide, in a shorter lens assembly. So I have
 gathered from what I've seen over the years...  A long, fat f/2.5
 and a shorter, narrower f/2.5 are essentially just different ways
 of reaching the same place.

Perhaps, Keith.  (I make absolutely NO claim to be any sort of an
optical expert - g.)  However, while I do understand that it might
be the ~effective~ aperture that is important in the equation of

max aperture in f-stops = focal length in mm / aperture in mm ,

I still can't get used to how an ~effective~ aperture can ever be
greater than the actual physical diameter of the front objective.
(As I said, though, I make NO claim to be an optical expert - g.)

Fred




Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.

2003-07-16 Thread Dr E D F Williams
The camera bodies, winder, motor drive and data back have been serviced by
Pentax on a regular basis. This includes routine CLA's (clean lubed and
adjusted) shutter timing and updating the data back. Never had sticky mirror
concerns in either body. All equipment is kept in a case when not used in a
climate controlled environment. After use equipment is wiped down and
cleaned prior to storage. No fungus present on any of the lenses.

There you ... are take it or leave it! I've come to my own conclusions.

Don
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- Original Message -
From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:46 AM
Subject: RE: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.


 The simple solution is to not bid on anything anymore and to list the
 serial numbers of the items you have on a website asking if any of them
 were stolen.

 Len
 ---



  -Original Message-
  From: John Dallman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:00 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
 
 
  In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (Keith Whaley) wrote:
 
   Too much UN-known here, as you say...
 
  Indeed. I've bought about 15 bits of Pentax kit off eBay in the last
  couple of months, and I'm starting to worry about how much of
  what is on
  offer is stolen. Some of it has to be, obviously, since eBay
  is just too
  convenient for it not to be used for that, but how much? My suspicion
  mostly falls on items with very little description, where the sellers
  don't answer technical questions.
 
  ---
  John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 






z-1p and non orginal grip

2003-07-16 Thread Piotr Chabowski
I have finished (have finished) some (certain) time over for work ago gripem
z-1p. If it interests somebody photo and you will find manner of execution
on
http://foto.in.chaos.pl/index.php?strona=technikaliatechnika=tech_grip

Unfortunately, in polish momentally only

--
Piotr BRONSON Chabowski
Tczewska Filia GGF
http://foto.in.chaos.pl



Re: LENS it is, LENSE it is not

2003-07-16 Thread Michel Carrre-Ge
Caveman a crit:
Michel Carrre-Ge a crit:

Caveman a crit:


That should be L'homme des cavernes a crit: ;-)
Cave ou caverne ??