Re: FA 28-70 f2.8

2003-07-20 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Joseph Tainter a écrit:
Pål reported here that he has had problems of build quality/mechanical 
failure with this lens. Has anyone else had such problems? (Pål has also 
acknowledged, if I recall correctly, that he is hard on equipment.)
I have a used FA* 2.8/28-70, very good but heavy.
No optical or mechanical problem, I like the power-zoom and the clutch 
mechanism for AF/MF and manual/power-zoom.
Only problem with the broken auto-zoom switch and push-button. I glue 
it and now it works.

Michel






Re: OT usefilm.com and Macs

2003-07-20 Thread Cotty

Does anyone know if usefilm.com has trouble being accessed by Macs? I
e-mailed a URL to a friend who uses a Mac and she couldn't access the image,
but could read the text. the URL is;
http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=177280
 If anyone with a Mac, or anyone that wants to see the image for that
matter, can check to see if they can access it ok I'd appreciate it.

Hi Butch,

No problem loading the image. PowerBook FireWire 2000 (Pismo) 500 1Gb/
20Gb OS X.2.5 Safari beta and IE 5.1




Cheers,
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Re: FA 28-70 f2.8

2003-07-20 Thread Alan Chan
Only problem with the broken auto-zoom switch and push-button. I glue it 
and now it works.
Seems like a common problem with PZ lenses.

regards,
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RE: OT usefilm.com and Macs

2003-07-20 Thread Al Shaikh
You could also try

http://www.usefilm.com/image/177280.html

Both are valid urls to the image. I would be curious if someone could test
in ie for mac.

al




-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:02 AM
To: Pentax List
Subject: Re: OT usefilm.com and Macs



Does anyone know if usefilm.com has trouble being accessed by Macs? I
e-mailed a URL to a friend who uses a Mac and she couldn't access the
image,
but could read the text. the URL is;
http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=177280
 If anyone with a Mac, or anyone that wants to see the image for that
matter, can check to see if they can access it ok I'd appreciate it.

Hi Butch,

No problem loading the image. PowerBook FireWire 2000 (Pismo) 500 1Gb/
20Gb OS X.2.5 Safari beta and IE 5.1




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: A*300/4 value?

2003-07-20 Thread Thomas Stach
Hello,

recently I discovered this one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=293779category=3334

This would be around ~400 US $ - I've also watched several others in
this price range...
until I found my F300/4.5 :-)


Cheers,

Thomas



David Mann schrieb:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've offered my A*300mm f/4 to the camera shop as partial trade against a
 6x7 lens.  It saddens me to do so but its had no use since I picked up an
 F*300mm f/4.5.
 
 Unfortunately its hard for us to decide upon a fair value.  I searched
 Ebay, BH, KEH and Google and came up with nothing.
 
 Does anyone out there have a rough guide of a fair price for this lens?
 Mine is near-mint condition with its original front cap, a real A-
 series rear cap, and its original case.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - Dave
 
 http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/



Re: The Heat and Sand

2003-07-20 Thread Pentxuser
Don I would try to get the company to buy your home  and get the hell out of 
there. It will drive you nuts and it's not worth  it. Life is too short..
Vic 



Re: A*300/4 value?

2003-07-20 Thread Rfsindg
Dave,
US$450-500 when you can find one.
Bob S.



Re: A*300/4 value?

2003-07-20 Thread Robert Leigh
A shop in Arizona is advertising one for $595 in 10- condition.

Robert




Re: The Heat and Sand

2003-07-20 Thread arathi-sridhar
makes sense; needs a serious think.
best wishes.
-sridhar
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: The Heat and Sand


 Don I would try to get the company to buy your home  and get the hell out
of
 there. It will drive you nuts and it's not worth  it. Life is too short..
 Vic




Re: bad experience with Kodak lab

2003-07-20 Thread Juey Chong Ong
Ramesh:

It's hard to say whether the damage to the slide film occurred 
in-camera or at the lab. I had a camera that did scratch film, but 
thank goodness, it leaves the scratch near the sprockets and not in the 
imaged area. The print film is suspect. The green areas sound to me 
like areas which did not come into proper contact with the processing 
chemicals ---the folding of the film would explain this --- and 
typically film is not returned uncut unless you request it that way. I 
can't imagine how they managed to return the film cassette to you. I 
have used Kodak or Kodak monitored processing in the past and none have 
returned film to me in this condition and manner. It could be false 
advertising (non-Kodak processing sold as Kodak processing). In any 
case, didn't Kodak get out of the film processing business years ago?

Look for a lab that says they do dip-and-dunk processing. These labs 
use a machine where the entire strip of film is suspended above a 
bathtub and gets dunked into the chemicals. Since it's not touched by 
rollers or other parts, the film is unlikely to get scratched during 
processing.

Also run a roll of film through your camera and then pull it out of the 
film cassette to examine if you see any scratches. If your camera 
consistently scratches film, you should be able to observe it this way.

--jc

On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Ramesh Kumar wrote:

Hi
I had bad experience with Kodak. ...
Slide film
One roll of slide had horiztoal scratch on each film.
...
Print film
This seems to be severly damaged. There are holes.
Film is diogonally folded as if a large weight was
kept on it. Along these folds color is green.
Film was delivered without cutting it and was rolled
and kept in film cassette.



Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread Jostein
On 19 Jul 2003 at 16:08, Keith Whaley wrote:
 
 I will too.  I promise. And I'll keep an open mind. How about you?
 
 keith


Could you guys please continue privately or in another forum now?

thanks.


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Re: bad experience with Kodak lab

2003-07-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Juey Chong Ong
Subject: Re: bad experience with Kodak lab



 Look for a lab that says they do dip-and-dunk processing. These labs
 use a machine where the entire strip of film is suspended above a
 bathtub and gets dunked into the chemicals. Since it's not touched by
 rollers or other parts, the film is unlikely to get scratched during
 processing.


Dip and dunk has problems of it's own which can be just as ruinous to the
images.

William Robb



Re: A*300/4 value?

2003-07-20 Thread Fred
 Does anyone out there have a rough guide of a fair price for this lens?  
 Mine is near-mint condition with its original front cap, a real A-
 series rear cap, and its original case.

 US$450-500 when you can find one.

 A shop in Arizona is advertising one for $595 in 10- condition.

 This would be around ~400 US $ - I've also watched several others
 in this price range... until I found my F300/4.5 :-)

I have seen users (a bit beat up but in supposedly good mechanical
and optical shape) goes for about $300, as I recall, but better
ones, such as yours, Dave, should get at least $400, I would say.  A
lot depends on the market, of course, which is currently a bit
depressed).

As for the M*/A* 300/4 versus F*/300/4.5, I have both (and multiple
copies, since 300mm is a very frequently used FL for me), and I'd
say that the lenses are not totally redundant:

The F* is a slightly sharper lens (but not at f/4- g), although it
is slightly slower (and sometimes that partial f-stop can be
significant).  Both are well made, but the M*/A* is a bit nicer to
use for manual focusing.  And, for the size, at least in my case, I
can pack the significantly shorter (when focused at infinity) M*/A*
in my camera bag, but the F* requires (for me anyway) carrying it
separately.

On the other hand, as I said, the F* is a bit sharper (and the FA*
would be, too, I guess).  The hood arrangement on the F* (but not
the FA*) is very well handled, and the tripod mount can be useful
(even if it's not as nice as the mount on the A* 200/4 Macro).  Oh,
and the F* is an autofocus lens (important to some, such as my wife
and my daughter-in-law, with their ZX-5n's).

Perhaps because I use 300mm so much, I don't see it as excessive
to own both designs (even though I've been forced, for financial
reasons, to sell off some of my other extra lenses) - they're both
good lenses with separate useful characteristics that certainly do
not totally overlap.

Oh, and I'm still not totally used to beige lenses...  g

Fred




Re: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic

2003-07-20 Thread T Rittenhouse
I recall Pentacon from long before 1964. In fact I do believe Pentacon was
the camera that actually was a contraction of Pentaprism  and Contax. I
remember them as having both a pentaprism and an optical viewfinder
(possibly why the combined names). I believe they were the first SLR with a
Pentaprism. I also seem to recall that they had a bayonet lensmount similar
to the Contax. I think they were part of Zeiss before WWII, but were
separated in the split up of Germany after the war. As I recall the Pentacon
was more expensive than the Praktica.

I do not doubt that several of the East German companies were combined in
the 1960's.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:40 AM
Subject: Vs: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic


 Praktica was originally made by Kamera Werkstatten at first in Dresden,
then in Niedersedlitz (wherever that may be) - Pentacon was formed later in
1964 by joining together several (five?) East German state-owned camera
manufacturers, from 1959 under the name of VEB Kamera und Kinowerke Dresden.
The Praktica factory seems to exist at Niedersedlitz and belongs to the
former owners, the Noble family - they make Noblex panoramic cameras.
 All the best!
 Raimo
 Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

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 Päivä: 20. heinäkuuta 2003 2:34
 Aihe: Re: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic


 I wonder if there's some confusion between Pentax and Pentacon (who made
 Praktica).  Maybe because they were the last two manufacturers who used
 m42 or something.
 
 Anyway, I believe that Pentacon is PENTAprism and CONtax joined
 together.  Makes sense, as they're both German companies.
 
 But, I've never heard that the name Pentax was a Contax trademark.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 Albano Garcia wrote:
 
  Is this true?
  Even the Pentax name was originally a Zeiss Ikon
  VEB trademark until bought by Asahi.  Itwas
  originally derived from PENTaprism and contAX.
  from the cited below website
  Regards
 
  Albano
 
  --- Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Dario,
  
   I went to the site you show below, and found the
   Deckel mount, that will
   allow my M-42 Pentax bodies to use my lovely Retina
   II/IIIS lenses! I've
   been hesistating selling them, simply because they
   were so perfect, but
   the nearly brand new Retina Reflex III has a
   disabled shutter (what eise
   is new, huh?)
   Now, with the Deckel adapter, I could use all of my
   Retina Reflex
   lenses! Excellent!
  
   But, do I want to spend $250 for that privilege?
   That's one steep adapter!
  
   Nah, I think maybe I'll sell the lenses... and the
   camera.
  
   keith whaley
  
   Dario Bonazza 2 wrote:
   
Of course, I'm also expecting high-quality screw
   mount lenses, to be added
to that bunch of Takumars and C.Z. Jena glass here
   and there...
Bye,
Dario
   
- Original Message -
From: Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:05 PM
Subject: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic
   
 Not sure if anybody alse already pointed it out
   here on the list...

 So, at long last, they did it. The SLR which
   became a rangefinder has
turned
 back into a SLR. Now it's just like an original
   Spotmatic, including the
 M42 screw mount, the stop-down swich on left
   side of the mirror box and
 the optional accessory shoe. See the new
   Voigtlaender Bessaflex at:

 http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtFlexTM.htm

 Bye,

 Dario Bonazza
 www.dariobonazza.com

  
 
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  El Pibe Asahi
 
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Re: bad experience with Kodak lab

2003-07-20 Thread Lon Williamson
What are the problems that can happen with dip and dunk?
I've not heard of any from a good lab, but then I've never
tried this more expensive method.
William Robb wrote:
Dip and dunk has problems of it's own which can be just as ruinous to the
images.




New Nikon D2H has same AF-patern than *istD

2003-07-20 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
Hallo
Nikon is just annoncing a new digital body D2H with
three new lenses:
http://www.photim.net/Nikon-D2/Nikon-D2H.htm

It is interesting, that the the new D2h uses the same AF patern than the
*ist/*istD.
There are also three new DX lenses, a 10.5 fisheye, a 2.8/17-55 and a VR
4/200-400 all for a faktor of 1.5.

So Nikon combines the advantages of the 4/3 system (smaller CCD -- smaller
lenses) with there old F-moúnt standard. Well done, the E-1 will be even
more in trouble.

regards
Rüdiger





Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.

2003-07-20 Thread whickersworld
John Dallman wrote:

 Yes, my credit card bill did arrive today. Why do you ask?



I didn't.






Re: *ist is TIPA 35mm SLR of the year...

2003-07-20 Thread whickersworld
Kristian Walsh wrote:

 From the TIPA website (www.tipa.com)

 Pentax *ist: Best 35mm SLR Camera

 With it's ultra-compact and radical styling coupled to a
newly
 developed multi-point autofocus system, the *ist
demonstrates that
 Pentax is still a leading light in the autofocus SLR
field. Easy to
 understand controls allow access to a full range of
creative options
 which will enable photographers of all genres to realise
their full
 potential.


TIPA awards give absolutely no indication of competent
performance.  They are purely marketing awards, and are
usually only given to products that are likely to sell well.

John






Re: bad experience with Kodak lab

2003-07-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Lon Williamson
Subject: Re: bad experience with Kodak lab


 What are the problems that can happen with dip and dunk?
 I've not heard of any from a good lab, but then I've never
 tried this more expensive method.

In a dip and dunk process, the film is suspended on a hanger, and a weight
is attached to the bottom. The hanger is put onto a suspension which moves
the hanger up and then down into the first tank. The process continues, with
the hanger being lifted, moved forwards and lowered into the rest of the
processing tanks.
It is possible for a clip to let go and drop the film, or for a weight to
let go, and allow the film to float, though neither is likely.
Agitation in DD processors is via nitrogen burst. Nitrogen is released from
a tank and directed to the bottom of the tank where it rises to the surface.
This agitates the chemistry.
Nitrogen bubbles can cling to the emulsion and cause underdevelopment, in
much the same way that air bells cause underdevelopment in small tank
processing.
Fuji RVP is particularly susceptible to this, but all Fuji films are prone
to it.
As the film is lifted from the tank, chemistry flows from top to bottom, and
flow marks can result from this action.
DD processed films are often slightly overdeveloped on the low end, as the
film is dropped quickly into the developer, but raised somewhat slower, and
is suspended over the tank to drain for several seconds.
Finally, since there is no squeegee action for removing surface chemistry,
DD processed films are prone to uneven drying, and can exhibit amoeba like
flaws in the emulsion from droplets of final rinse draining down onto
partially or completely dry emulsion.

In my own limited experience, I think that rotary tank processing is the
safest, and most even method of film developing, followed by a well
maintained ciné processor, then dip and dunk and properly maintained leader
transport processors.
The worst method, in my opinion, is roller transport processing.
HTH

William Robb



Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread whickersworld
Hans Imglueck wrote:

 The wounds of WWII were not
 healed by removing Hitler - of course it was necessary to
do this first - but
 by the friendship between American, French, British,
German and all
 the others.


Wise, wise words.

Thank you, Hans.





Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread whickersworld
Bob S wrote:


 I'd swap you Slick Willie for Tony, but then you'd have to
hide all your daughters.  :-)


A price worth paying, maybe?

;-)




Vs: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic

2003-07-20 Thread Raimo Korhonen
The first camera with pentaprism was Contax S of 1949 by Zeiss Ikon, Dresden. This 
developed into Contax D with automatic diaphragm actuation, although officially the 
first model to have this was Contax F.
There were indeed cameras called Pentacon in the fifties but these were similar to the 
East German Contax SLRs - first Pentacon was the same as Contax D. There were also 
names like Hexacon and Consul and Ritacon and probably other names as well. Curiously 
it is not easy to find cameras made after the formation of Pentacon with the name 
Pentacon - they all seem to be Prakticas.
The SLR with optical viewfinder was Praktina IIa.
The information above is based on McKeowns Price Guide to Antique  Classic Cameras, 
edition 1995-1996.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

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Päivä: 20. heinäkuuta 2003 17:01
Aihe: Re: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic


I recall Pentacon from long before 1964. In fact I do believe Pentacon was
the camera that actually was a contraction of Pentaprism  and Contax. I
remember them as having both a pentaprism and an optical viewfinder
(possibly why the combined names). I believe they were the first SLR with a
Pentaprism. I also seem to recall that they had a bayonet lensmount similar
to the Contax. I think they were part of Zeiss before WWII, but were
separated in the split up of Germany after the war. As I recall the Pentacon
was more expensive than the Praktica.

I do not doubt that several of the East German companies were combined in
the 1960's.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:40 AM
Subject: Vs: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic


 Praktica was originally made by Kamera Werkstatten at first in Dresden,
then in Niedersedlitz (wherever that may be) - Pentacon was formed later in
1964 by joining together several (five?) East German state-owned camera
manufacturers, from 1959 under the name of VEB Kamera und Kinowerke Dresden.
The Praktica factory seems to exist at Niedersedlitz and belongs to the
former owners, the Noble family - they make Noblex panoramic cameras.
 All the best!
 Raimo
 Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

 -Alkuperäinen viesti-
 Lähettäjä: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Päivä: 20. heinäkuuta 2003 2:34
 Aihe: Re: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic


 I wonder if there's some confusion between Pentax and Pentacon (who made
 Praktica).  Maybe because they were the last two manufacturers who used
 m42 or something.
 
 Anyway, I believe that Pentacon is PENTAprism and CONtax joined
 together.  Makes sense, as they're both German companies.
 
 But, I've never heard that the name Pentax was a Contax trademark.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 Albano Garcia wrote:
 
  Is this true?
  Even the Pentax name was originally a Zeiss Ikon
  VEB trademark until bought by Asahi.  Itwas
  originally derived from PENTaprism and contAX.
  from the cited below website
  Regards
 
  Albano
 
  --- Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Dario,
  
   I went to the site you show below, and found the
   Deckel mount, that will
   allow my M-42 Pentax bodies to use my lovely Retina
   II/IIIS lenses! I've
   been hesistating selling them, simply because they
   were so perfect, but
   the nearly brand new Retina Reflex III has a
   disabled shutter (what eise
   is new, huh?)
   Now, with the Deckel adapter, I could use all of my
   Retina Reflex
   lenses! Excellent!
  
   But, do I want to spend $250 for that privilege?
   That's one steep adapter!
  
   Nah, I think maybe I'll sell the lenses... and the
   camera.
  
   keith whaley
  
   Dario Bonazza 2 wrote:
   
Of course, I'm also expecting high-quality screw
   mount lenses, to be added
to that bunch of Takumars and C.Z. Jena glass here
   and there...
Bye,
Dario
   
- Original Message -
From: Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:05 PM
Subject: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic
   
 Not sure if anybody alse already pointed it out
   here on the list...

 So, at long last, they did it. The SLR which
   became a rangefinder has
turned
 back into a SLR. Now it's just like an original
   Spotmatic, including the
 M42 screw mount, the stop-down swich on left
   side of the mirror box and
 the optional accessory shoe. See the new
   Voigtlaender Bessaflex at:

 http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtFlexTM.htm

 Bye,

 Dario Bonazza
 www.dariobonazza.com

  
 
  =
  Albano Garcia
  El Pibe Asahi
 
  

Re: OT: BLIAR, was Re: I'm Back

2003-07-20 Thread whickersworld
frank theriault wrote:

 For the record, I didn't say that.  I believe that it was
a response to
 a post of mine.


Please accept my apology, Frank.

Best regards,

John



Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word and ultimate wisdom

2003-07-20 Thread whickersworld
Cameron Hood wrote:

 Must not have tried the FA* series zooms.



Hi Cameron,

Yes, you're absolutely right.  I am now hesitating about
buying any more Pentax gear, so it is also unlikely I ever
will.

John





Re: The Heat and Sand

2003-07-20 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I'm too old for that.

Don
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Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: The Heat and Sand


 Don I would try to get the company to buy your home  and get the hell out
of
 there. It will drive you nuts and it's not worth  it. Life is too short..
 Vic






Re: bad experience with Kodak lab

2003-07-20 Thread Lon Williamson
Thank you, Mr. Robb.  This one gets saved and printed.
One of these days I may try processing my own C-41 stuff.
Until then, I'm a mini-lab kind of guy who loves to curse
the dust and scratches they tend to create.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: Lon Williamson
Subject: Re: bad experience with Kodak lab



What are the problems that can happen with dip and dunk?
I've not heard of any from a good lab, but then I've never
tried this more expensive method.


In a dip and dunk process, the film is suspended on a hanger, and a weight
is attached to the bottom. The hanger is put onto a suspension which moves
the hanger up and then down into the first tank. The process continues, with
the hanger being lifted, moved forwards and lowered into the rest of the
processing tanks.
It is possible for a clip to let go and drop the film, or for a weight to
let go, and allow the film to float, though neither is likely.
Agitation in DD processors is via nitrogen burst. Nitrogen is released from
a tank and directed to the bottom of the tank where it rises to the surface.
This agitates the chemistry.
Nitrogen bubbles can cling to the emulsion and cause underdevelopment, in
much the same way that air bells cause underdevelopment in small tank
processing.
Fuji RVP is particularly susceptible to this, but all Fuji films are prone
to it.
As the film is lifted from the tank, chemistry flows from top to bottom, and
flow marks can result from this action.
DD processed films are often slightly overdeveloped on the low end, as the
film is dropped quickly into the developer, but raised somewhat slower, and
is suspended over the tank to drain for several seconds.
Finally, since there is no squeegee action for removing surface chemistry,
DD processed films are prone to uneven drying, and can exhibit amoeba like
flaws in the emulsion from droplets of final rinse draining down onto
partially or completely dry emulsion.
In my own limited experience, I think that rotary tank processing is the
safest, and most even method of film developing, followed by a well
maintained ciné processor, then dip and dunk and properly maintained leader
transport processors.
The worst method, in my opinion, is roller transport processing.
HTH
William Robb






Re: FA 28-70 f2.8

2003-07-20 Thread Mark Cassino
At 10:36 AM 7/19/2003 -0700, Keith Whaley wrote:

I have a FA 28-70mm f/4.0 AL on the way to me (haven't seen it yet) and
it's presumably got some small (I hope) glitch in it's 'macro' feature.
Hmmm - there isn't a macro feature per se on this lens - unlike some zooms 
that you flip into a special macro mode, the FA 28-70 f4 AL just focuses 
very close.


I'll be wringing it out as soon as I get it.
I'll report back...
There seems to be a lot of sample variation on this particular lens.  Some 
folks have had very negative experiences, other think it is great.  My 
sample is excellent - holds its own vs most primes.  Before he was 
possessed by the Cave spirits, Valentin speculated that the manufacturing 
process used in this lens accounts for that.  Basically, the aspherical 
element is plastic molded onto a glass element.  Inconsistency in the 
plastic component may account for the variation.  I don't know if that's 
the case but I hope you get a good one.

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino
Kalamazoo, MI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- - - - - - - - - -
Photos:
http://www.markcassino.com
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Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Lon Williamson
I like it here, and have learned a lot from the more
experienced (though not likely older) folks.
Who have you learned the most from here?

I'll kick it off with a safe nominee (Wm Robb) and a
dark horse (B. Rubenstein).  Both seem to know a fair
amount, though Robb is usually easier to digest, from
a Pentax point of view, than BR.
There have, of course, been others.  Mark Cassino, Bill
Cassleberry, Cotty (brap hic! frlappp...) all come to mind.
Alan Chen, Pal, Herb Chong, our leerless feeder and all around
list guy Doug Brewer, the folks who run PUG, John Mustarde,
and others I can't think of I could have voted for here.
I'm not factoring in PUG favorites, that's a whole other cup
of tea.
-Lon



Re: The Heat and Sand

2003-07-20 Thread Pentxuser
I know how you feel but the silica may kill you and if not the company's 
ignorance and complete disrespect toward you and your family will drive you crazy 
and, in so doing, will take a few years off your life. We had a situation in 
our previous house where a neighbour with (a backyard pool and ignorant 
teenagers) were driving us nuts... We finally made the decision to move. It was the 
best thing we ever did. We went from a new house with a small backyard 
surrounded by idiots, to an old home with a large private yard with deer and fox etc, 
surrounded by people of like mind. Our lives changed overnight from feeling 
like rats in a maze to living life the way it should be lived...
Just my 2 cents 

Vic 

In a message dated 7/20/03 12:07:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I'm too old for that.



Don



Did I see Cotty?

2003-07-20 Thread Bill Owens
Was that bald guy with the video camera that I saw at the end of the British
Open Cotty?

Bill




Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Bill Owens
Don't forget Tom I don't use camera straps VanVeen.

Also, I don't think Doug Brewer is leerless.  I've seen him leer at lots
of women.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?


 I like it here, and have learned a lot from the more
 experienced (though not likely older) folks.

 Who have you learned the most from here?


 I'll kick it off with a safe nominee (Wm Robb) and a
 dark horse (B. Rubenstein).  Both seem to know a fair
 amount, though Robb is usually easier to digest, from
 a Pentax point of view, than BR.

 There have, of course, been others.  Mark Cassino, Bill
 Cassleberry, Cotty (brap hic! frlappp...) all come to mind.
 Alan Chen, Pal, Herb Chong, our leerless feeder and all around
 list guy Doug Brewer, the folks who run PUG, John Mustarde,
 and others I can't think of I could have voted for here.

 I'm not factoring in PUG favorites, that's a whole other cup
 of tea.

 -Lon






Re: FA 28-70 f2.8

2003-07-20 Thread Keith Whaley


Mark Cassino wrote:
 
 At 10:36 AM 7/19/2003 -0700, Keith Whaley wrote:
 
 I have a FA 28-70mm f/4.0 AL on the way to me (haven't seen it yet) and
 it's presumably got some small (I hope) glitch in it's 'macro' feature.
 
 Hmmm - there isn't a macro feature per se on this lens - unlike some zooms
 that you flip into a special macro mode, the FA 28-70 f4 AL just focuses
 very close.

Yes, you're  right. I just got the lens, and find that contrary to the
specifications that say it focuses down to 0.4 m (15+ inches,) my sample
indeed goes clear down to just a smidgeon under 10. A very nice,
useable close focus distance.
The only glitch I found, which the seller warned me about before hand,
was that the rubber-covered focus ring gets a stick-slip motion at the
very end of the rotation - either way. And, I'm finding, not all the
time... so if that's all it is, I see no problem with that. I think the
rubber is rubbing on the fixed lens body.
If I put two fingers on the ring, 180° apart, and rotate it that way, I
don't feel it.
If I rotate the ring in the usual manner, with my left index finger
under the ring, as I would tend to do in the field, it tends to exhibit
that stickiness on occasion.
In fact, as I try it out right now, I find the zoom ring does the same
thing. Occasionally showing some stickiness, occasionally moving quite smoothly.
I can deal with that quite nicely.
 
 I'll be wringing it out as soon as I get it.
 I'll report back...
 
 There seems to be a lot of sample variation on this particular lens.  Some
 folks have had very negative experiences, other think it is great.  My
 sample is excellent - holds its own vs most primes.  Before he was
 possessed by the Cave spirits, Valentin speculated that the manufacturing
 process used in this lens accounts for that.  Basically, the aspherical
 element is plastic molded onto a glass element.  Inconsistency in the
 plastic component may account for the variation.  I don't know if that's
 the case but I hope you get a good one.

I'm puzzled by the flat outermost front element.
It's very slightly concaved. I expect outer front lens surfaces to have
more curvature, and be convex!
Just a minor observation.

keith whaley
 
 - MCC
 - - - - - - - - - -
 Mark Cassino
 Kalamazoo, MI
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Lon Williamson
The danger of quotes.  leerless feeder is a pun on fearless
leader.  Wink.
Bill Owens wrote:
Don't forget Tom I don't use camera straps VanVeen.

Also, I don't think Doug Brewer is leerless.  I've seen him leer at lots
of women.
Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?



I like it here, and have learned a lot from the more
experienced (though not likely older) folks.
Who have you learned the most from here?

I'll kick it off with a safe nominee (Wm Robb) and a
dark horse (B. Rubenstein).  Both seem to know a fair
amount, though Robb is usually easier to digest, from
a Pentax point of view, than BR.
There have, of course, been others.  Mark Cassino, Bill
Cassleberry, Cotty (brap hic! frlappp...) all come to mind.
Alan Chen, Pal, Herb Chong, our leerless feeder and all around
list guy Doug Brewer, the folks who run PUG, John Mustarde,
and others I can't think of I could have voted for here.
I'm not factoring in PUG favorites, that's a whole other cup
of tea.
-Lon










Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

I generally second your opinion. Your list may be missing a person or
two, but generally it fits my opinion too.

I suppose William Robb would get my vote for that nomination too. But
then when it comes to body knowledge, Alan Chan is very strong in my
opinion. And of course all others that somehow keep the talk on track
vbg.

Anyway, I must admit that I learned a lot since I joined the crew -
both technology-wise and craft/art-wise.. Though I must also point out
that I also learned quite a bit of (foul) language, politics, ways to
express one's extreme opinion and last but definitely not least - the
beer...

Boris (who has Tak K 135/2.5, shots C-41 b/w and considers M 35/2.8 a
very good lens)...




===8==Original message text===
LW I like it here, and have learned a lot from the more
LW experienced (though not likely older) folks.

LW Who have you learned the most from here?


LW I'll kick it off with a safe nominee (Wm Robb) and a
LW dark horse (B. Rubenstein).  Both seem to know a fair
LW amount, though Robb is usually easier to digest, from
LW a Pentax point of view, than BR.

LW There have, of course, been others.  Mark Cassino, Bill
LW Cassleberry, Cotty (brap hic! frlappp...) all come to mind.
LW Alan Chen, Pal, Herb Chong, our leerless feeder and all around
LW list guy Doug Brewer, the folks who run PUG, John Mustarde,
LW and others I can't think of I could have voted for here.

LW I'm not factoring in PUG favorites, that's a whole other cup
LW of tea.

LW -Lon

===8===End of original message text===



Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread William Robb
Fer Gawds sake you guys.
Yer embarrassing me.
Thanks though, I feel kinda warm and fuzzy now.

William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman 
Subject: Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?


 Hi!
 
 I generally second your opinion. Your list may be missing a person or
 two, but generally it fits my opinion too.
 
 I suppose William Robb would get my vote for that nomination too. But
 then when it comes to body knowledge, Alan Chan is very strong in my
 opinion. And of course all others that somehow keep the talk on track
 vbg.
 
 Anyway, I must admit that I learned a lot since I joined the crew -
 both technology-wise and craft/art-wise.. Though I must also point out
 that I also learned quite a bit of (foul) language, politics, ways to
 express one's extreme opinion and last but definitely not least - the
 beer...
 
 Boris (who has Tak K 135/2.5, shots C-41 b/w and considers M 35/2.8 a
 very good lens)...
 
 
 
 
 ===8==Original message text===
 LW I like it here, and have learned a lot from the more
 LW experienced (though not likely older) folks.
 
 LW Who have you learned the most from here?
 
 
 LW I'll kick it off with a safe nominee (Wm Robb) and a
 LW dark horse (B. Rubenstein).  Both seem to know a fair
 LW amount, though Robb is usually easier to digest, from
 LW a Pentax point of view, than BR.
 
 LW There have, of course, been others.  Mark Cassino, Bill
 LW Cassleberry, Cotty (brap hic! frlappp...) all come to mind.
 LW Alan Chen, Pal, Herb Chong, our leerless feeder and all around
 LW list guy Doug Brewer, the folks who run PUG, John Mustarde,
 LW and others I can't think of I could have voted for here.
 
 LW I'm not factoring in PUG favorites, that's a whole other cup
 LW of tea.
 
 LW -Lon
 
 ===8===End of original message text===
 
 
 



Re: Vs: Pentax is a Zeiss name? was Re: Cosima makes a new Spotmatic

2003-07-20 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Raimo,

I recall (although my memory could be off a bit), that my Prakticas (an early 70's and 
a late 70's model - I think one was an LT and one was an LTL) had the Pentacon logo on 
the box, but not the camera.

cheers,
frank

Raimo Korhonen wrote:

 snip.Curiously it is not easy to find cameras made after the formation of Pentacon 
 with the name Pentacon - they all seem to be Prakticas.snip


--
I don't believe in God, but I do believe in pi - Henri Cartier-Bresson




RE: OT usefilm.com and Macs

2003-07-20 Thread Cotty
You could also try

http://www.usefilm.com/image/177280.html

Both are valid urls to the image. I would be curious if someone could test
in ie for mac.

al

No problem loading the image. PowerBook FireWire 2000 (Pismo) 500 1Gb/
20Gb OS X.2.5 using IE 5.1


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Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Cotty
Fer Gawds sake you guys.
Yer embarrassing me.
Thanks though, I feel kinda warm and fuzzy now.

Oh God. He'll be signing autographs in a minute.




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OT : Motor Sport quote of the day

2003-07-20 Thread Cotty
I know there's a few petrol-heads on the list. F1 British Grand Prix at
Silverstone today (Reubenio won) and ITV Sport Commentator and former F1
driver Martin Brundle came out with this while observing a pair of
Williams (was it?) and a Ferrari:

'Now is this going to be a Ferrari sandwich, or just a bar snack?'




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Re: Did I see Cotty?

2003-07-20 Thread Bill Owens
I thought it wasn't you, but there was a tall, bald guy with a video camera
next to Ben Curtis after it was definite that he had won.  Couldn't tell if
the had an attitude though :-)

Bill


 Was that bald guy with the video camera that I saw at the end of the
British
 Open Cotty?
 
 Bill

 ROTFLMAO.

 Hell no - I'm no bald guy with a video camera! I'm a bald guy with a
 video camera and attitude!

 Out of our patch I'm afraid. I was trodding much more morose ground as I
 retraced the steps taken by weapons inspector and scientist Dr Kelly
 during his last hours of life as he took his own in a remote woodland in
 Oxfordshire. It was kinda spooky in there, nobody else about. Just a few
 general shots of the forest for the news. Very sad.

 On Weds and Thurs I was up at the Royal International Air Tattoo on press
 days, and Friday morning Silverstone for an interview with Eddie Jordan
 and some links with the sports presenter. I've done golf a few times but
 it's hell carrying all the gear from hole to hole. The only tee I like
 comes in a pot. Early Grey. Hot :-)




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Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Cotty
In the category Cool-Guy, Cotty and Frank, they have
great sense of humour, great guys.

Albano, I want to marry you and have your babies.

(BTW, if Frank is cool, I am a poppadom!)




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Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread Richard Klein
Allow me to get even further off topic.  I recently finished Virtual Light by William 
Gibson, published in 1993.  There was a character in that book; a courier named Hans 
Blix.  Sound familiar?  Had anyone here heard of the UN weapons inspector a decade 
ago?  It seems like quite a coincidence.

   -Rich

On 20/Jul/2003 12:57:07, Hans Imglueck  wrote:
 Hi Bob,
 
 how often should I say: It clear that Saddam is a mass murderer.
 So he deserves all the hate. But why have the other unquilty people
 to die? You cannot sum it up the way: Saddam has killed 100, so
 it is legal to kill 1000 additional to remove him. Lifes cannot be added. You can 
 also not say: We have to save the Iraqian, because Saddam will kill more. How will 
 you know this for sure? 





Re: FA 28-70 f2.8

2003-07-20 Thread Pål Jensen
Apart from the hassle of a rotating front lens tube, my lens was plagued with all 
kinds of recurring problems. I owned it for 2 years and it spent 1,5 of those at 
service. It was unable to power zoom past the 35mm setting. Lots of samples of this 
lens have the same fault. It is a design weakness. The power zoom button came loose - 
repeatedly. It was fixed equally repededly but it always came loose again. Power zoom 
stopped working completely and the lens needed about 1 hour rest in order for the 
power zoom to work again. When this was fixed, a sluggish aperture mechanism was the 
result. When this was fixed, power zoom stopped working again etc...etc. etc This 
went on for years - in and out if service fixing new problems and promtly after 
returned older problems came back. I finally throwed the lens in the garbageBefore 
throwing it away, I dissasembled it and figured out that the lens could never be made 
to work. The contacts for power zoom touched the aperture mechanism when they had 
contact with the electrical contacts on the lens mount. In order to free the aperture 
mechanism you had to bend the contacts away. This meant that contact with the lens 
mounts contact could not be ensured. Basically you had a choice of working aperture or 
working power zoom. 
It was the largest piece of shit I've ever owned (optically it is just fine) and if it 
wasn't for the release of the 43 Limited I would have been a Nikon owner by now. 

Pål




Re: Zooms vs. primes

2003-07-20 Thread Pål Jensen
Steve wrote:

Depends on the lens. One of the main fixtures on my LX is an
circa 1980`s zoom. But you`re right, most were crap.


REPLY:
Zoom lenses started to be good in the late 70's. 

Pål





Re: Zooms vs. primes

2003-07-20 Thread Pål Jensen
Gregory wrote:

I'm going to guess that this sort of advice appeared with early zooms,
when the quality really was pretty bad.  But they've been improving for
half a century or so, and are a lot better now than they used to be.  But
there seems to be a lot of very old photographers that hang on to old
advice for a long time.


REPLY:

Yes, about 20+ year old advice...


Pål




Re: Pentax is a Zeiss name?

2003-07-20 Thread Pål Jensen
Albano:

 Is this true?
 Even the Pentax name was originally a Zeiss Ikon
 VEB trademark until bought by Asahi.  Itwas
 originally derived from PENTaprism and contAX. 
 from the cited below website


I don't remember but the Pentax name was considered, but not used by another company 
in the mid 50's. It was either Nikon (!) or Contax. 

Pål







Re: New Nikon D2H has same AF-patern than *istD

2003-07-20 Thread Pål Jensen
Rüdiger wrote:

It is interesting, that the the new D2h uses the same AF patern than the
*ist/*istD.
There are also three new DX lenses, a 10.5 fisheye, a 2.8/17-55 and a VR
4/200-400 all for a faktor of 1.5.


REPLY:

Maybe they use the same AF system (I do believe these patterns are patented)? Pentax 
and Nikon share shutter units and sensor used in DSLR. Maybe they share subcontractors 
or cooperate on technology. 
The 200-400/4 AF-S VR lens is extremely interesting. Simply a dream lens for  many 
nature shooters. Everything from 400mm to 16mm is now in the realms of zooms. This is 
the market trend. 
Now if an F6 or an F200 turns up soon, I might be tempted along with the 24-120 VR + 
the 200-400 VR lenses. 


Pål





Re: Zooms vs. primes: the final word

2003-07-20 Thread Pål Jensen
John  wrote:

In theory, primes are
nearly always optically superior, but the best zooms are so
very close that it hardly matters any more.


REPLY:
Yes, but this theory is based on the assumption that all lense are made to the same 
standards. In reality, compromises is involved in all lenses; primes or zooms. Not 
primes vs. zoom but lens vs. lens. Today, how good a lens is going to end up can be 
decided at the design table fundamented on how much resources the manufacturer is 
willing to spend on the product. In market where 98% of lenses sold are zooms, guess 
in what direction the resources are heading?


Pål




Re: New Nikon D2H has same AF-patern than *istD

2003-07-20 Thread Ed Tyler
I went to the site and did a computer translation of the text.  The view of
the back at first makes the camera look like a D100 with the optional grip
but the translation describes it as a WI-FI or wireless network interface.
When you look at it again you will notice a cable from the wireless adapter
to the data port on the camera.  What's next?

Ed



 Hallo
 Nikon is just annoncing a new digital body D2H with
 three new lenses:
 http://www.photim.net/Nikon-D2/Nikon-D2H.htm
 
 It is interesting, that the the new D2h uses the same AF patern than the
 
 





Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread Bob Blakely
Another puerile epistle from:

Hans Imglueck [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Bob,

 how often should I say: It clear that Saddam is a mass murderer.
 So he deserves all the hate. But why have the other unquilty people
 to die?

Are you saying that it is the desire of the coalition that unquilty[sic]
people die?
Are you aware that because of great expense on the part of the US that loss
of life on all sides is orders of magnitude less than would otherwise be
expected?

 You cannot sum it up the way: Saddam has killed 100,

100,000 is an extremely low estimate.

 so it is legal to kill 1000 additional to remove him. Lifes cannot
 be added. You can also not say: We have to save the Iraqian,
 because Saddam will kill more. How will you know this for sure?

Well, same argument used by the antiwar crowd prior to and through the
beginning of WWII. There is only one way to know for sure now, isn't there?
Just wait and let Hussein either kill thousands more... or not. Of course
this has continually been Hussein's method of maintaining control of his
populace since his assumption of power, but hey, who knows? Maybe he
changed! Maybe we got Hitler all wrong! Perhaps Stalin was really a choir
boy! We have not always been right. Prior to WWII, a Brit named Chamberlain
(Do you know who he was, Hans?) believed he could arrive at an agreement
with Evil. It wasn't very many more months before the bombing of Briton
began. At the beginning of WWII in 1939, The French held back with a
decision to give Hitler more time. By the time they realized their error it
was too late to stop your country from marching into Paris. We have not
always been right either. While France was already under occupation and
Briton was already under attack, we held back from coming to the aid of
Europe. Because of the opposition of the Left and the pacifists in this
country, we didn't enter the war until our own nose had been bloodied.
Churchill described us by saying (roughly) that the US could always be
counted on to do the right thing - after trying everything else first! We
are grateful that Briton forgave us for being late, even though surely it
cost them many lives. At the end of the war, US president Truman, more than
any other man, was responsible for giving Poland, Hungary and much of
Eastern Europe to Stalin. God forgive us, millions died and millions were
plunged into a darkness where there would be no liberty for 50 or so years.

Well, this time we decided not give Hungary to Hitler in order to obtain
...peace in our time. We (the coalition) kicked Hussein's butt out of
Kuwait, but forgive us, we offered peace to Evil in exchange for certain
specific demands. Well, even when given TWELVE years, Hussein managed to
ignore and or violate EVERY point and demand to which he signed. During this
time hundreds of thousands more were purged and tortured. The blood of all
these people are now on our hands.

No more!

Now I know that you don't like this. We are all aware that Hussein's
government owes France, Belgium, Germany and Russia tens of billions of
dollars. We are all aware that France and Germany are vying to be the leader
of the European Union, and that rather than earn the position by raising
themselves up, they see bringing others (US  Briton) down as a shortcut to
this power. Russia sees it's wealth and power as coming from being the arms
dealer to this area of the world (Those aren't French, German or US weapons
used there). You see the world presented to you through this filter and
can't imagine that you are wrong. Even if you did, how would you survive the
ostracism you would surely receive from your associates?

 My faith tells something different and this might be interesting for all
who are believing in Jesus Christ. Read Matthew (Mt) 13,24-30!
 This is the way God is doing.

I suggest that ...if you do not have a sword, that you go out and sell your
cloak and buy one. I also tell you that ...the state does not wield the
sword for nothing. Further I urge you to search the scriptures to discover
the manner in which God deals with _nations_. I leave it as an exercise to
you to find the references.

Bob...

Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying
the object which is abused.  Men can go wrong with wine
and women.  Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?
-Martin Luther



Re: New Nikon D2H has same AF-patern than *istD

2003-07-20 Thread Herb Chong
wireless connections are old hat. some cameras taking PCMCIA memory cards from a few 
years ago allowed wireless network cards.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Ed Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 18:26
Subject: Re: New Nikon D2H has same AF-patern than *istD


 I went to the site and did a computer translation of the text.  The view of
 the back at first makes the camera look like a D100 with the optional grip
 but the translation describes it as a WI-FI or wireless network interface.
 When you look at it again you will notice a cable from the wireless adapter
 to the data port on the camera.  What's next?
 
 Ed





Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread Bob Blakely
What was presented was a chilling analogy of our times in relation to recent
history.

Unrelated and not directed at you...
A Neo-Nazi movement is awakening in Europe and in Germany. Don't bury your
head in the sand, lest it's tenants affect European thought.

Regards,
Bob...

Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying
the object which is abused.  Men can go wrong with wine
and women.  Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?
-Martin Luther

From: Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Dear Bob,

 on 18 Jul 03 you wrote in pentax.list:

 Now I note your .de extension. As I understand it, The Father Land
 has a rich history of such things itself. (Was Hungary - now Kuwait,

 I can understand your feelings but please don't use these anachronisms
 any more. The Nazi regime ended a long time ago and - thanks to our
 American, British and French friends - Germany is a democracy.

 Like not all Americans were for the war, not all Europeans were against.
 I think in great respect of those brave American and British soldiers,
 risking their lives to bring freedom to a surpressed people. And I would
 have wished more solidarity with our allies - the USA and UK - instead
 of the Iraqi regime.

 I hope that your son is on the road to recovery and I wish him and your
 family all the best.



Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Butch Black
Fer Gawds sake you guys.
Yer embarrassing me.
Thanks though, I feel kinda warm and fuzzy now.

sounds like overdevelopment and out of focus to me VBG

BUTCH

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hess (Demian)



Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread Bob Blakely
What is necessary is opposing Evil at its every appearance.

Regards,
Bob...

Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying
the object which is abused.  Men can go wrong with wine
and women.  Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?
-Martin Luther

From: Hans Imglueck [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 To be absolutely sure it is perhaps neccesary to kill (almost) all
 humans on this earth!

 --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not about vengeance. It's about making sure it never happens again.
 
 Hans Imglueck wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Tony said:
 
  September the 11th was not an isolated event, but a tragic prologue,
Iraq another act, and many further struggles will be set upon this stage
before it's over.
 
  What are they planing? How many people have to die before the victims
  of September the 11th will be avenged? Indeed tragic!



Re: Awesome Photos...

2003-07-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Albano Garcia
Subject: Awesome Photos...



 Don't be lazy and look them all. Excellent stuff...
 http://www.erikrefner.com/

Pity he isn't so good with HTML/ Java Script. I couldn't get past his index
page with either of my browsers.

William Robb



Re: OT - Brit and proud

2003-07-20 Thread Dan Matyola
Blame Canada!  Cartman

William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Matyola
Subject: Re: OT - Brit and proud


It will go on until allthe terrorists and brutal dictators have no place 
to hide . . .

Ah, Washington is next?
WW







Re: Awesome Photos...

2003-07-20 Thread Albano Garcia

He is using flash. If you have flash installed you
should see it right
Regards

Albano


--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Albano Garcia
 Subject: Awesome Photos...
 
 
 
  Don't be lazy and look them all. Excellent
 stuff...
  http://www.erikrefner.com/
 
 Pity he isn't so good with HTML/ Java Script. I
 couldn't get past his index
 page with either of my browsers.
 
 William Robb
 


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Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread Albano Garcia

Wow, thanks Cotty. I'll marry you and let you have my
babies ;-)
Really thanks

Albano




Cotty wrote:
Albano Garcia because he brings a freshness and a
fashionable angle to
proceedings. He is also a stunning photographer - but
then most of us
are. He particularly so.


--- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gosh, Lon, that's a real tough one. Lessee. I
 suppose I would have to say
 Rob Studdert - what that man doesn't know just about
 ain't worth knowing.
 Not bad for an Aussie ;-)
 
 And William Robb it is true speaks from a pretty
 astonishing knowledge
 base - when he speaks I (and a lot of others) listen
 intently.
 
 Frankie-boy T makes me chuckle, and in amongst the
 gags there is a
 serious side that shines through.
 
 Jostein comes out with some real profound stuff, but
 is always ready to
 crack a bit of wit that puts mine to shame.
 
 Steve Larson deserves honourable mention because he
 suggests things that
 might seem outrageous, but upon closer inspection
 are entirely possible
 (like a flash quench disabling switch in an AF280T 
 ;-)
 
 Mark Roberts is a fountain of knowledge and library
 of factoidia second
 to none.
 
 Mike Johnston (bless him) - I miss his version of
 sanity.
 
 Albano Garcia because he brings a freshness and a
 fashionable angle to
 proceedings. He is also a stunning photographer -
 but then most of us
 are. He particularly so.
 
 I love Cesar's ramblings - really there could not
 have been more
 appropriate  a name for this chap.
 
 The truth is, I could go on and mention everyone's
 name because I
 couldn't actually pin down one name overall that I
 thought had helped me
 the most. The actual answer for me is 'The List'  -
 all the contributors
 have helped me in one way or the other over the
 (good grief I was going
 to write 'months', but it is now) years.
 
 Time to raise a glass to the PDML. French and white
 and cold and dry
 enough to cut your throat on. Cheers all.
 
 *parp*
 
 
 Cheers,
   Cotty
 
 
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Re: Upcoming trip to BC

2003-07-20 Thread Dan Matyola
I'm not in Vancouver, but I will  be vacationing there just before you 
arrive.  I think I board the train to Banff early on the 10th.

Dan Matyola

James Moniz wrote:

Hi!
I will be visiting Vancouver BC on the weekend of Aug 9-10.  It will be my first visit 
to Canada north of the Peace Arch.  (I've lived in the Seattle area for over a decade, 
so I have no excuse...)  If there's anyone living in the area who'd like to meet up 
with me for coffee and a discussion of f-stops, please let me know, and I'll try to 
get together with you while I'm up there.
Jim Moniz
Actor, Photographer, and All Around Nice Guy... 
www.jimmoniz.com






Heiko don't miss the most important!

2003-07-20 Thread Rolf Brenner
What about the Russians? THEY won the war,destroyed facism and paid the highest price 
for it!
So if you wanna thank you have to thank them first!
Rolf


The Nazi regime ended a long time ago and - thanks to our  
American, British and French friends - Germany is a democracy.




Help with PUG

2003-07-20 Thread Bill Owens
I recently upgraded (?) from Windoze ME to XP.  Now when I try to access the
PUG, all I get is the names and no photos.  If I go to the looking for a
particular photographer, everything is okay.  It's just the galleries that
I cannot seem to access.

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Bill




Re: Zooms vs. primes

2003-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2003 at 23:57, Pål Jensen wrote:

 Gregory wrote:
 
 I'm going to guess that this sort of advice appeared with early zooms,
 when the quality really was pretty bad.  But they've been improving for
 half a century or so, and are a lot better now than they used to be.  But
 there seems to be a lot of very old photographers that hang on to old
 advice for a long time.
 
 
 REPLY:
 
 Yes, about 20+ year old advice...

So prime lens development has stagnated for 20 years?

Not according to companies (who actually communicate to their users) like 
Leica.

The comparison is Zooms vs Primes, currently most zoom lenses are better than 
their earlier brethren however the best current prime lenses still whip their 
asses in the areas of sharpness, speed, contrast, flare resistance and 
distortion.

For instance my Pentax FA 24-90 zoom does not out perform my Leica 90/2 APO-
Summicron-M ASPH.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998




Re: New Nikon D2H has same AF-patern than *istD

2003-07-20 Thread Blivit4
I think you need a Nikon on the Inside sticker on your camera.
No current Nikon shares shutters with a Pentax.

BR

Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Maybe they use the same AF system (I do believe these patterns are patented)? Pentax 
and Nikon share shutter units and sensor used in DSLR. 

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Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Albano,

Me 'n Cotty being mentioned in the sentence, eh?  I'm not sure about
that...

Surely, an Odder Couple has never existed (apologies to Neil Simon).
g

cheers,
frank

Albano Garcia wrote:

 snip
 In the category Cool-Guy, Cotty and Frank, they have
 great sense of humour, great guys.snip

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Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread frank theriault
Hey, Cotty,

Well, aint' that the truth!  When I read the first post in this thread, I
thought, Wow, who could I mention? (I really said wow - it's true:  I
really do talk like that...).

Every name I've seen so far (except of course mine - what the hell are you
guys thinking?) would be on my list, plus lots more.  And that's the
problem.  There are so many people that have so much knowledge to pass on
about Pentax, cameras, photography, nature versus nuture, the mind/body
question, political science, real science, philosophy, pretty much anything
and everything, that I simply couldn't narrow it down to one person who has
helped me the most.  I've made many friends off-list, and in person (TOPDML),
which is something I never would have expected when I stumbled upon this
happy little crew a couple of years ago.  It's been a great time.

So, upon Cotty's advice, I've gone to the fridge, and opened a bottle of
Amsterdam Natural Blond Lager (a local mini-brew).  I am now raising my
glass:  TO THE LIST - CHEERS!

regards,
frank

Cotty wrote:
snip

 The truth is, I could go on and mention everyone's name because I
 couldn't actually pin down one name overall that I thought had helped me
 the most. The actual answer for me is 'The List'  - all the contributors
 have helped me in one way or the other over the (good grief I was going
 to write 'months', but it is now) years.

 Time to raise a glass to the PDML. French and white and cold and dry
 enough to cut your throat on. Cheers all.

 *parp*

 Cheers,
   Cotty

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Re: Survey: Whose PDML posts have helped you?

2003-07-20 Thread frank theriault
Okay, Cotty,

You know what my next question is!  Was that an insult or a compliment?
(as if I have to ask...) g

-frank

Cotty wrote:

 snip(BTW, if Frank is cool, I am a poppadom!)

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flash needed

2003-07-20 Thread Matt Bevers
So, this weekend I was down in Washington, DC, taking a bunch of 
photos.  My brother works for the Secret Service, so he got us a tour 
of the the White House.  We weren't allowed to take photos inside the 
West Wing (we saw the oval office and cabinet room), but we could shoot 
in the press room.  Unfortunately, it was absurdly dark in there, and I 
probably didn't get many usable shots.

This brings us to the point of the message.  In the midst of taking 
photos in the near dark, my wife says to me, I think you need to buy a 
flash.

So, I need to buy a flash.

I've got an MX and an ME Super for right now, but I could see myself 
getting a Super Program for flash use, or even an AF Pentax by the end 
of the year.  My question is, what do I get?

- A Vivitar 283 or 285: Is there any reason not to get the 285 instead 
of the 283, considering that the price difference is negligible?

- An AF280T - use auto with my MX and have a TTL flash if I get a 
compatible camera later.  I'm sort of leaning towards this one.

- Go for the gold and consider the AF360FGZ - this is definitely the 
flash I can grow into, but will it work my MX?  Is it worth the price 
considering it may be awhile before I can really use it?

- Is there anything else I should consider?

Sorry for the long post, but I'm pretty much lost when it comes to 
flashes and I can use any help I can get.

-Matt



RE: flash needed

2003-07-20 Thread David Chang-Sang
Vivitar 283.
It's reliable
It's a workhorse
and you don't need any TTL functionality to get great looking photos with
it.
It'll probably dwarf the MX and the ME Super but it's powerful enough to do
the job.

I use mine with a lumiquest pocket bouncer and it has yet to fail me.

Cheers
Dave


 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Bevers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: flash needed

 snip

 So, I need to buy a flash.

 I've got an MX and an ME Super for right now, but I could see myself
 getting a Super Program for flash use, or even an AF Pentax by the end
 of the year.  My question is, what do I get?

 - A Vivitar 283 or 285: Is there any reason not to get the 285 instead
 of the 283, considering that the price difference is negligible?

 - An AF280T - use auto with my MX and have a TTL flash if I get a
 compatible camera later.  I'm sort of leaning towards this one.

 - Go for the gold and consider the AF360FGZ - this is definitely the
 flash I can grow into, but will it work my MX?  Is it worth the price
 considering it may be awhile before I can really use it?

 - Is there anything else I should consider?
 /snip







Re: flash needed

2003-07-20 Thread Rfsindg
Matt,
You're right on target with the AF280T.
It bridges the gap between the ME/MX to TTL flash 
on the Super Program and even the PZ1-p.
The AF200T would work too, but is not as powerful as the AF280T.
After the AF280T, the autofocus flashes lose compatibility with the ME/MX.
Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 So, I need to buy a flash.
  
  I've got an MX and an ME Super for right now, but I could see myself 
  getting a Super Program for flash use, or even an AF Pentax by the end 
  of the year.  My question is, what do I get?



Re: FA 28-70 f2.8

2003-07-20 Thread Keith Whaley
Hi Pål,

That doesn't bother me, because I don't have an automatic Pentax. I plan
to use this lens on my MG and my MX. Manual only.
Ought to give me many years of use before it kicks the dust...
I'll never be able to say it's a bad lens, so long as I don't run it on power...!

Thanks for the report...  keith

Pål Jensen wrote:
 
 Apart from the hassle of a rotating front lens tube, my lens was plagued with all 
 kinds of recurring problems. I owned it for 2 years and it spent 1,5 of those at 
 service. It was unable to power zoom past the 35mm setting. Lots of samples of this 
 lens have the same fault. It is a design weakness. The power zoom button came loose 
 - repeatedly. It was fixed equally repededly but it always came loose again. Power 
 zoom stopped working completely and the lens needed about 1 hour rest in order for 
 the power zoom to work again. When this was fixed, a sluggish aperture mechanism was 
 the result. When this was fixed, power zoom stopped working again etc...etc. etc 
 This went on for years - in and out if service fixing new problems and promtly after 
 returned older problems came back. I finally throwed the lens in the 
 garbageBefore throwing it away, I dissasembled it and figured out that the lens 
 could never be made to work. The contacts for power zoom touched the aperture mech!
 an!
  ism when they had contact with the electrical contacts on the lens mount. In order 
 to free the aperture mechanism you had to bend the contacts away. This meant that 
 contact with the lens mounts contact could not be ensured. Basically you had a 
 choice of working aperture or working power zoom.
 It was the largest piece of shit I've ever owned (optically it is just fine) and if 
 it wasn't for the release of the 43 Limited I would have been a Nikon owner by now.
 
 Pål



Re: Help with PUG

2003-07-20 Thread Cameron Hood
Get a Mac.

C.

On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 08:12  PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:18:49 -0400
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I recently upgraded (?) from Windoze ME to XP.  Now when I try to 
access the
PUG, all I get is the names and no photos.  If I go to the looking 
for a
particular photographer, everything is okay.  It's just the galleries 
that
I cannot seem to access.

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Bill



Re: Awesome Photos...

2003-07-20 Thread Caveman
William Robb wrote:
I couldn't get past his index
page with either of my browsers.
I did. You missed some puking after seeing wide angles abuse.

cheers,
caveman


Re: FA 28-70 f2.8

2003-07-20 Thread Paul
That lens probaly wouldnt be that well balanced on an MX or MG :)


- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: FA 28-70 f2.8


 Hi Pål,

 That doesn't bother me, because I don't have an automatic Pentax. I plan
 to use this lens on my MG and my MX. Manual only.
 Ought to give me many years of use before it kicks the dust...
 I'll never be able to say it's a bad lens, so long as I don't run it on
power...!

 Thanks for the report...  keith

 Pål Jensen wrote:
 
  Apart from the hassle of a rotating front lens tube, my lens was plagued
with all kinds of recurring problems. I owned it for 2 years and it spent
1,5 of those at service. It was unable to power zoom past the 35mm setting.
Lots of samples of this lens have the same fault. It is a design weakness.
The power zoom button came loose - repeatedly. It was fixed equally
repededly but it always came loose again. Power zoom stopped working
completely and the lens needed about 1 hour rest in order for the power zoom
to work again. When this was fixed, a sluggish aperture mechanism was the
result. When this was fixed, power zoom stopped working again etc...etc.
etc This went on for years - in and out if service fixing new problems
and promtly after returned older problems came back. I finally throwed the
lens in the garbageBefore throwing it away, I dissasembled it and
figured out that the lens could never be made to work. The contacts for
power zoom touched the aperture mech!
  an!
   ism when they had contact with the electrical contacts on the lens
mount. In order to free the aperture mechanism you had to bend the contacts
away. This meant that contact with the lens mounts contact could not be
ensured. Basically you had a choice of working aperture or working power
zoom.
  It was the largest piece of shit I've ever owned (optically it is just
fine) and if it wasn't for the release of the 43 Limited I would have been a
Nikon owner by now.
 
  Pål




Re: Help with PUG

2003-07-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Cameron Hood 
Subject: Re: Help with PUG


 Get a Mac.

Get a life.

William Robb


 
 C.
 
 
 On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 08:12  PM, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:18:49 -0400
  From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset=iso-8859-1
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
  I recently upgraded (?) from Windoze ME to XP.  Now when I try to 
  access the
  PUG, all I get is the names and no photos.  If I go to the looking 
  for a
  particular photographer, everything is okay.  It's just the galleries 
  that
  I cannot seem to access.
 
  Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
 
  Thanks
  Bill