Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread Chris Murray
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Jostein wrote:

 Well certainly, an *istD has less bagage to it's name than KISS.
 http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=KISSString=exact
 
 This camera can't be meant to be anything more than a ps with a bayonet
 lens mount.
 Otoh, I'm sure it'll drag a lot of users into the DSLR market.
 
 Jostein
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Re: OOOOOWWOOOO, the thick plottens,

2003-08-26 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Actually there's at least an MZ-S (a naked one, without a lens
nor body cap... :-(  ) on a shelf in Naples (at Sbrescia, the
biggest store here); with a price of 1109 Euro I guess it will
stay there for a lng time... FNAC, that recently opened a
megastore here, instead shows an Eos 1Ds alone in a separate
stand (with a even more awful price... I could buy ten MZ-S with
that money).

Gianfranco

PS: Michael, do you remember the price of the brand new PZ-1p?


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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: OWW, the thick plottens, 


 I actually recently saw a new MZ-S on the shelf next
 to a new PZ-1p at a Ritz camera store.  The
 salesperson I spoke with is a Pentax fan and had the
 (languishing) PZ-1p sent from another store just to
 show people next to the MZ-S.  They've been there for
 quite a while.
 

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RE: Digital Rebel might beat *ist-D to market

2003-08-26 Thread Bill Owens
If this is the case, I should have mine around September 10

Bill

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Digital Rebel might beat *ist-D to market


According to their respective Japanese web sites,
*ist D will ship on September 6 and Digital Kiss,
September 20.
--
Bo-Ming Tong





Re: OOOOOWWOOOO, the thick plottens,

2003-08-26 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
I knew there was more to this:

RE: dslr



From: tom
Subject: RE: dslr
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:47:10 -0700
Ok, we'll say shipped to a dealer somewhere by 9/1/03.

What's in it for you? I don't have any old Nikon bodies lying around.

tv






What cameras do you use; why and for what?

2003-08-26 Thread Anand DHUPKAR
I was out of town for some days, hence, missed the starting of this thread.
Because of my wife's liking for small, compact equipment, I useed to use LX 
(that's how I am on this list)
Then I have my Minolta X700 - an excellent piece of equipment, however, 
uncompatible with new auto lenses.  So, I have Nikon N90s with two nikkor 
zooms.
Recently, however, I really thought, that burning too of film was impossible 
hence I decided to go in for digital and bought myself CoolPix 4500 which is 
always with me now-a-days. Its a beautiful camera.  Absolutely handy, 
compact.  Ofcourse, has limits as well.  But carry-wherever-you-go kind of 
thing.

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Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread Bo-Ming Tong
...and I say, just as authoritatively as you, that the 300D will be a
marketing *flop*.   Consumers with a thousand bucks for a camera are
much smarter than Canon realizes.  The will invariably spend the extra
few hundred for the 10D rather than be seen as
kiddie-Rebel-photographer-wannabees.  Or, as Mike suggests, they will
go for a nicely specified digicam for the same or less  money.
--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com
With all due respect, I beg to differ. The homework that a typical 
beginner does was to walk into a drugstore, an electronic store, or 
whatever (but not a camera store), and see the low end models of Canon 
(Rebel), Minolta and Pentax. They ended up buying a Rebel Ti in most 
cases because that's the latest model, it is the most expensive in the 
store, and on paper there are more features than the others, though they 
have no idea whether they need those features. The salesperson then 
rounded out the sale with some overpriced filter and cleaning kit... I 
don't think the DSLR buying process is any different from the film SLR 
one. $1,000 is not really that much money, they could have spent it on a 
digicam anyway.

The difference between a Digital Rebel and a 10D is so subtle, that many 
10D owners are lamenting on digital camera discussion boards already 
over their purchases, and their tactic was to tone down the Digital 
Rebel as a cheap, inferior camera. No there is nothing wrong with it at 
all. I have handled a relatively recent Rebel, it is not what you think, 
nothing like the original Rebel or EOS 1000. I personally would not use 
it, but I have to admit it is a pretty strong photographic tool. I'd 
expect the price gap of 10D and 300D to narrow, until they match the 
price gap between a Elan 7E and a Rebel Ti. And I'd further expect *ist 
D to track the 10D price closely.



Re: What do you use?

2003-08-26 Thread Paul Stenquist


Clive evans wrote:
 
 Neally all shooting is on Colour Transparency film , building  a stock
 library.


Hi Clive,
I've been shooting quite a bit of stock, but I've found that most stock
houses don't want transparencies. They want hi-res scans. So I shoot
negative film, which seems to scan somewhat better than transparency
film. 
Paul



Re: What cameras do you use; why and for what?

2003-08-26 Thread Paul Stenquist


I use my Pentax 6x7 for most of the stuff that counts: fashion
photography for stores and stock, car shoots for magazines, and a range
of other subjects for stock. My lenses include the 55/4, 105/2.4, 165/4
LS, and 300/4. I really need a 75, but I'm holding out for a deal on a
used 75/2.8. Gotta happen soon. I use  35mm when I have to shoot rapidly
without reloading or need a motor drive. I also use 35mm for most of my
personal photography. Sometimes it's the LX and occasionally the MX, but
quite frequently I pick up my screwmount Leica iiif. The Leica is more
work but more rewarding in some ways as well.
Paul



Re: Last of my film cameras, some lenses and various accessories

2003-08-26 Thread Pentxuser
Is this package still available...
Vic 

In a message dated 8/25/03 2:38:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hot shoe grip, and all the brackets and cable to make the 280T into a
 handle-mount flash.  $50.00



comments and tips solicited

2003-08-26 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal
Hi everyone,

I am a newbie who has got interested in photography quite recently.
I have been using a camera for more than 5 years now but it was mostly
to take group pictures of family and touristy snaps to show where
all I went and what all I did :-)

http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=748579

I would really like to hear from you guys. I have been on the list for
a few months now. Don't think twice before sending negative, most
damnest of all remarks (ref: thread on please comments). I would
appreciate if you tell me how to improve the composition, technique,
get better exposure and in general, photographs that appeal to some.
I understand that to each his own but still, right now my pics
don't even appeal that much to me!

Thanks a lot!
Gaurav

PS: Thanks to Wendy from whom I bought my ME Super + 50mm f/1.7 recently.

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Re: What do you use?

2003-08-26 Thread Herb Chong
scans from slides are less grainy and higher resolution than prints. also, you can see 
what you are supposed to get. do they notice the difference?

Herb
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 23:19
Subject: Re: What do you use?


 Hi Clive,
 I've been shooting quite a bit of stock, but I've found that most stock
 houses don't want transparencies. They want hi-res scans. So I shoot
 negative film, which seems to scan somewhat better than transparency
 film. 





Re: What cameras do you use; why and for what?

2003-08-26 Thread Arnold Stark
Today my bag is packed with a LX (loaded with Kodachrome 64) plus 6 
lenses: A20, K28/f3.5, M40, K55/f1.8, M85/f2, K135/f3.5. The LX is 
replaced by a K2 DMD, KX or KM now and then.Other lenses that I pick 
frequently for walking around are K28/f2, K28/f3.5 Shift, K35/f2, 
FA43,/1.9 K50/f1.4, FA77/1.8, F100/f2.8 Macro, K100/f4 Macro, K135/f2.5, 
FA200/f2.8. For flash photography I often use a Z1-P. My MZ5-N sees 
little use lately. The MX that was my only camera for years now is in 
the hands of my wife

Arnold



Re: comments and tips solicited

2003-08-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:52:02 +0530
 Gaurav Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone,
Don't think twice before sending negative, most
damnest of all remarks (ref: thread on please comments). I would
appreciate if you tell me how to improve the composition, technique,
get better exposure and in general, photographs that appeal to some.
I understand that to each his own but still, right now my pics
don't even appeal that much to me!
I took a look on the photos you uploaded to Photo Net. I must tell 
that there were few works that I really liked:
Zip!Zap!Zoom!
Proud Democracy
There goes Mrs. Rao's window again - this one is particularly good.

I think these three should appeal to you grin. Probably if I was 
most picky I could find a thing or two to improve on these three. But 
I would keep my mouth shut, just because I chose those works of yours 
that I know I would have very hard time reproducing.

Here are few others that I simply couldn't understand:
Colors - why the tilt? what you were trying to tell?
Signal the cross.  - probably the same.
Shaky Foundations? - I am sure that there'd be people who'd like it, 
but I don't.

I think that you might be suffering from the same thing I suffer. 
Sometimes you want to say something with your photograph, but no one 
seems to understand or see this message. Feel free to take a look on 
my home page and see what I mean. You can find it here: 
http://www.geocities.com/dunno57. I don't know how to get cured of 
this illness other than taking more and more pictures, practicing and 
hopefully eventually improving.

As for your technique - I think that I have nothing to add, except 
that sometimes you seem to have a tilt (mostly to the left) which does 
not seem justified. This however can be easily corrected by PhotoShop 
or similar means.

Well, I hope I did not offend you though.

Cheers!

Boris




Re: What cameras do you use; why and for what?

2003-08-26 Thread Fiso_PENTAX
Hello All,

Salikh wrote:


 Well, it's time to go up from the underground:
 I've been enjoying reading the list well over the year now,
 but this is the first post to the list.

Same here.

Pz-1, Pz-1p FA 28-105, FA 28-80, FA 100-300

ME SUPER, M50, M28, Makinon 200/3.3 macro, Tokina AT-X 50-250

AF 330ftz  flash,

Espio 115g ps film, N Coolpix 4500  ps digital (I don't like the uncontrollable
Optios).

Waiting for the real D*ist  and searching a handgrip for the Pz's ( rare here in
Hungary).


  

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Re: comments and tips solicited

2003-08-26 Thread John Coyle
Welcome to the group Guarav, and I obviously you enjoy what you've found
here: I just hope our comments don't upset you!
My comments, and I only looked at the three showing on the link:
Wah Taj - if you're going to make a building lean by titling the camera, you
might as well go all the way!  I am not sure about the tower at the right,
it might have been preferable to include the base, to connect it with the
wall in the foreground.  The shot seems a little unsharp, perhaps out of
focus, in the middle to top of the frame.

Shaky foundations - it's seldom possible to convince anyone that you did
this on purpose, and I think that we've all taken shots just like it
hand-held and thrown them away.  It doesn't really do anything for me at
all.

Colours - I think I see what you were trying to do here, but it just doesn't
work for at least three reasons:
1.  That horizon!  IMHO, it's either level or it's wrong.  You  might be
able to justify it with a dynamic marine action shot, but not with one as
static as this.
2.  The tree.  It's pretty ugly in form, and I would have changed my
viewpoint to lose it altogether.  If you couldn't do that, it might have
been possible to use it as a frame at one side of the shot.
3.  The exposure, or possibly the post-scanning adjustment, is just not deep
enough.  You're obviously trying to use the silhouettes in the foreground to
contrast with the colours on the horizon, and on my monitor they are not
dark enough.  Was it scanned from the slide by you or by a laboratory?  If a
lab, it seems they were trying to bring the shot up to 'normal' daylight
levels.

Offered in a spirit of trying to be helpful...

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

- Original Message - 
From: Gaurav Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:22 PM
Subject: comments and tips solicited


 Hi everyone,

 I am a newbie who has got interested in photography quite recently.
 I have been using a camera for more than 5 years now but it was mostly
 to take group pictures of family and touristy snaps to show where
 all I went and what all I did :-)

 http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=748579

 I would really like to hear from you guys. I have been on the list for
 a few months now. Don't think twice before sending negative, most
 damnest of all remarks (ref: thread on please comments). I would
 appreciate if you tell me how to improve the composition, technique,
 get better exposure and in general, photographs that appeal to some.
 I understand that to each his own but still, right now my pics
 don't even appeal that much to me!

 Thanks a lot!
 Gaurav

 PS: Thanks to Wendy from whom I bought my ME Super + 50mm f/1.7 recently.

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RE: comments and tips solicited

2003-08-26 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal
Thanks John, I really appreciate your comments. No upseting me :-)

BTW, there are 27 more shots there. The links aren't that apparent.
Try: http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=748579

The shaky foundations was definitely not intended but I sort of liked
it. Taj is something that I don't know how to capture. For Colors
the slide was scanned by a lab. I would definitely keep your comments
in mind since I too feel that the pics aren't that appealing.

Thanks so much!
Gaurav


 -Original Message-
 From: John Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:44 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: comments and tips solicited


 Welcome to the group Guarav, and I obviously you enjoy what you've found
 here: I just hope our comments don't upset you!
 My comments, and I only looked at the three showing on the link:
 Wah Taj - if you're going to make a building lean by titling the
 camera, you
 might as well go all the way!  I am not sure about the tower at the right,
 it might have been preferable to include the base, to connect it with the
 wall in the foreground.  The shot seems a little unsharp, perhaps out of
 focus, in the middle to top of the frame.

 Shaky foundations - it's seldom possible to convince anyone that you did
 this on purpose, and I think that we've all taken shots just like it
 hand-held and thrown them away.  It doesn't really do anything for me at
 all.

 Colours - I think I see what you were trying to do here, but it
 just doesn't
 work for at least three reasons:
 1.  That horizon!  IMHO, it's either level or it's wrong.  You  might be
 able to justify it with a dynamic marine action shot, but not with one as
 static as this.
 2.  The tree.  It's pretty ugly in form, and I would have changed my
 viewpoint to lose it altogether.  If you couldn't do that, it might have
 been possible to use it as a frame at one side of the shot.
 3.  The exposure, or possibly the post-scanning adjustment, is
 just not deep
 enough.  You're obviously trying to use the silhouettes in the
 foreground to
 contrast with the colours on the horizon, and on my monitor they are not
 dark enough.  Was it scanned from the slide by you or by a
 laboratory?  If a
 lab, it seems they were trying to bring the shot up to 'normal' daylight
 levels.

 Offered in a spirit of trying to be helpful...

 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia





ME winder won't work

2003-08-26 Thread Katrin
Hello!
I have an Pentax ME with winder and now the winder stopped working. I 
loaded it with new batteries but still nothing...  Does anybody has 
any tipps how I could try to get it working again?
Thanks for any help
bye 
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Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread cbwaters
I *might* be able to replace my whole kit for under $1K.

CW
- Original Message - 
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D


 i spent over $1K for only one camera, my Nikon Coolpix 5000. it was one of
the first digital PS available with 5 megapixels. i have used it a lot and
made quite a few images i have sold with it. in the last couple of months i
have shot more film than digital because of the limited lens FOV choices i
have with the digital camera. when i get the *istD, i expect to change to
about 70% digital using it, a small percentage staying with the Coolpix
5000, and probably around 25% still with film.

 Herb
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:52
 Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D


  How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras
  of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit
  approximate and include the MZ-S).





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Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread cyberstudio
Dear Mark,

None of the cameras I currently own, body only,
exceed the $900 mark: Fuji GS645S (used), Contax G2
(used), Pentax Z-1p (new). Nor are any of the
cameras I previously owned which forms a very long
list. (Nikon FE2, FA, F3, F2AS, F70, F801s, F601,
Canon EOS 100, 10s, 5, 630, Pentax LX) Maybe some of
these costed more than $900 when new. If I put down
my money for the *istD in fact it will be my first
such camera. Alas, what am I doing and how did the
manufacturers got me to believe that $1,000 for a
DSLR is cheap ?

Bo-Ming Tong



Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread T Rittenhouse
Ineresting question, Mark. If I use that $900 as an absolute number, I have
never owned such a camera. However if we adjust for inflation. I have owned
a Rolleiflex 2.8, Linhof Super Technica, Mamiya Universal (2 of them
actually) even used they cost more than that in adjusted real dollars.
Probably the two MX I bought new come close to that, certainly if you count
the lenses (35/2 on one and 85/2 on the other) and winders with them. Heck
the Pentax H3 at $200 in 1962 probably comes to the equivalent of that. Of
course back in those days I had 2 things I don't have today, a real income,
and good credit.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D


 Robert Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 $1000 may not be alot of money to those accustomed to getting semi-pro
 or pro equipment, but to a typical beginner, it is alot of money.

 How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras
 of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit
 approximate and include the MZ-S).

 I have 2 such cameras:
 MZ-S (with battery grip)
 645


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 Photography and writing
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Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread T Rittenhouse
That would have too answers, Mark. 1% of serious photographers, 1/1000th of
1% if you count the pure snapshooters.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D


 Gary L. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras
 of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit
 approximate and include the MZ-S).
 
 
 If you make that anything that shoots I've got several in and beyond
 that price range. :-)

 HAR!

 I just thought of a better survey question to ask:
 How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera?
 (And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?)

 --
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 Photography and writing
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Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread Gary L. Murphy
Mark Roberts wrote:

I just thought of a better survey question to ask:
How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera?
Well, I have to back out on that one. I have spent over $500 for a 
camera, several times...

(And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?)

Worded that way, I'd guess the majority of people would fall well short 
of that category.

--
Later,
Gary


Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread Eactivist
 How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras
 of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit
 approximate and include the MZ-S).


Nope. Never. Never would, either. Which is why, if in a while (three to six 
months), the 300D has a street price below $900 or used ones reselling on ebay, 
it's going to look very good to me. OTOH, I could wait six-eight-twelve 
months for everything to come down even more. To fall to within my price range.

Lenses are expensive enough, if you buy more than one you are getting up 
there. And I would prefer to put most of my money (when I have money) into glass. 
In fact, right now I am just trying to figure out if I want to spring for a 
decent one. If/when/how.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  Besides I found out at the end of the summer that the 
woman's pictures (BW street photography) that I really admired in my last class 
were shot on... a Rebel! Blew me away. She also auto focused everything. I 
suspect she had good glass, but let's face it, even dinky Canon Rebels can take 
good pictures.



Re: Nice and nasty pictures.

2003-08-26 Thread Doug Brewer
tricky subject line, y'all



Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread kwaller

MZ-S

Ken Waller

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:52:11 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

 
 How about an informal survey of how many people on
this
 list own cameras
 of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make
 that a little bit
 approximate and include the MZ-S).
 
-- 
 Mark Roberts
 Photography and writing
 www.robertstech.com

Ken Waller

PeoplePC:  It's for people. And it's just smart. 
http://www.peoplepc.com 



Re: Nice and nasty pictures.

2003-08-26 Thread Dr E D F Williams
The photo attachment is essentially a housing holding a partially silvered
mirror that splits the beam sending enough to an eye-piece (about 60/40) so
that the field can be observed and focussed. Its quite a simple but elegant
solution - designed in Dr Möllring's lab at Zeiss (Oberkochen). It first
appeared about sixty years ago. Variations have been made by different
microscope manufacturers ever since. The camera screws on the top (Mount
adapter K) and the viewfinder should be blocked so that no light can
contribute to the exposure reading. Once the prism viewing screen has been
set there is no need to focus using the camera screen again.

To get into light microscopy, of any kind, you need to make a rather large
investment and its a lot easier said that done. Unless you have some
experience there will be a very steep learning curve. I'll take a picture of
the contraption some time and post it so you can see what it all looks like.

Don

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- Original Message - 
From: Geoff Moes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Nice and nasty pictures.


 I also enjoyed the micrographs, other than the P30t what did you use in
the way of microscope and adapter, I am curious because I have toyed with
the idea of exploring photomicrography.  Although I don't know if I ever
will as I assume it would take a significant financial investment.

 Geoff


  Hi all,
 
  I've posted some pictures if anyone would like to take a look. Diatoms,
  crystals, nasty machinery; including one of the arrival of a huge
  stone-crusher that's going to make our lives worse than Hell. There are
a
  couple of electron micrographs not taken with a Pentax - sorry. All the
  others P30t on 'A' for every frame - Solaris 200 processed in Tetenal
  chemicals three months old. The camera works beautifully with the new
  photo-attachment I got from Loma in Chicago a few weeks ago.
 
  http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/edfw/hold/index.htm
 
  Best,
 
  Don
 
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Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread Steve Desjardins
For me, $1000 is still too much for a low end camera.  We need the
equivalent of the *ist body with a 6 MP senor in it for about $600. 
(for those who don't realize this, the *ist and *ist D have completely
different bodies, although the AF and segment meters appear to be the
same).  Also, Pentax is NEVER going to beat Canon to market with
anything.  Canon is just too big, and even Nikon plays catch-up.  Any
obvious marketing idea, such as a cheap DSLR, will always come from
Canon first.  The important thing for Pentax is to try not to lag too
far behind.  The biggest problem is that Canon controls its own chips,
whereas Pentax and Nikon have to look elsewhere.

Oh, yeah.  I do have an MZ-S $ grip (about $1000).  I also have a 645,
but I got that used for $500 with the 75 2.8.



Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread b_rubenstein
People have gotten spoiled by just how cheap cameras have become in the last 
30 years. If one were to use inflation adjusted, constant dollars, or how 
long, on average, one would have to work to pay for a camera you'd see how 
inexpensive they've become. 1000, 2003 dollars wouldn't pay for a 1973 
Spotmatic. That Canon's price is around a week's pay for the average person, 
and a lot less for many.

BR

Robert Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

$1000 may not be alot of money to those accustomed to getting semi-pro 
or pro equipment, but to a typical beginner, it is alot of money.  



Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D

2003-08-26 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Mark Roberts wrote:

 I just thought of a better survey question to ask:
 How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera?

Me. And I don't think I will ever spend the equivalent of $500 for a
camera (even in the UK/EU where money buys you less).

 (And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?)

I am stumped here.

Kostas



Re: What cameras do you use; why and for what?

2003-08-26 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:

 spare 2CR5... WRT the built in flash: the MZ series one,
 although less powerful, is placed higher over the optical axis,
 so it makes more difficult to have red eyes in the subjects.

I was asking about the position of the hotshoe: on the Zs it is above
the right hand, which means you can use both an additional flash and
the built-in one at the same time. How do you find that? Any ideas why
Pentax stopped doing that?

 do fill flash). Works with any TTL flash (on the MZ-3/5n I
 usually switch to manual, set a not-so-slow-nor-so-fast speed to
 keep a good amount of ambient light and select -1/2 compensation
 - not so akward but akward indeed...).

Doing the same (or just the -1/2) on the MZ-50 myself.

 Hope this helps.

Sure does, thanks very much. I was thinking of investigating the
Z-series from Boz's site. The Z-1p is more expensive than what I could
afford (sth between an MZ-6 and a -5n -- used)

 PS: forgot to mention: I have large hands and the Z-1p, being

Thanks for that too, I am really small :-)

Kostas



Re: What cameras do you use; why and for what?

2003-08-26 Thread frank theriault
I've been using my Leica CL more and more often these days, probably because
I'm still trying to get the street shooting thing down pat, and the CL is
such a nice little machine for that.  I probably shoot more with that camera
than any other right now.

The all-rounder is the MX, though.  With the Viv S1 24-48mm, the Sigma APO
50-200mm, and sometimes the Vivitar 19mm and the Pentax M 2.0 50mm thrown in
for good measure, I've got pretty good range in a relatively compact system.

The Spotmatics come out about once a month, just for exercise, as well as
the Yashica Mat, around every other month for fun and something different.

Paul Stenquist wrote:

 I use my Pentax 6x7 for most of the stuff that counts: fashion
 photography for stores and stock, car shoots for magazines, and a range
 of other subjects for stock. My lenses include the 55/4, 105/2.4, 165/4
 LS, and 300/4. I really need a 75, but I'm holding out for a deal on a
 used 75/2.8. Gotta happen soon. I use  35mm when I have to shoot rapidly
 without reloading or need a motor drive. I also use 35mm for most of my
 personal photography. Sometimes it's the LX and occasionally the MX, but
 quite frequently I pick up my screwmount Leica iiif. The Leica is more
 work but more rewarding in some ways as well.
 Paul

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