Re: *ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)

[Jim Apilado]

When the D30 Canon came out lots of photographers got one.  A year or so
later came the D60 and the D30 owners began unloading their digitals so the
prices came down.  The D60 was superceded by the 10D.  D60 prices are slowly
coming down.  It may be awhile before Pentax comes out with a newer digital
slr (with K/M compatibility?).  I can see some current *ist D owners trying
to unload their "obsolete" cameras for the new one.

Jim A.

> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:29:52 -0400
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re:*ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:30:07 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> Bucky wrote:
>> 
>> How about the *ist D?  Kinda makes me cringe to think about it...
>> 
>> 
> Makes me cringe to think about it as well. It would make me cringe more
> if I had spent $1500 on a camera that will undoubtedly be obsolete in
> less than a year. But can't we have a 6x7 thread without someone
> switching it over to Pentax's  me too digital? Enough already.
> 

RE: 35mm film camera prices in the toilet

[Bucky]

I got $650 for an Lx with a 50mm f/2 M lens, FA-1 and FB-1 finders, and
FD-1, FD-2, and FC-1 eyepieces not that long ago.  i was satisfied with
that.

-Original Message-
From: John Mustarde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 20:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 35mm film camera prices in the toilet


On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:28:56 -0400, you wrote:

>Rob and a number of others have reported that 35mm film camera prices
>are in the toilet. Once again, I turned to ebay, the great arbitrer of
>camera prices, in order to pick up some bargains. Once again, I was met
>with disappointment. These don't seem to be bargains in my book

I hope there are no bargains, since I just listed an LX with FA-1
finder and SE-60 screen, and also an FB-1 base with FC-1 sports
finder, and a Quantum battery with charger, and a nice little Pentax
Bellows III.  But if some PDML'er wants a bargain, make me an offer
and maybe I'll end the auction early.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=texdance&;
include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Ebay ID: Texdance

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com

Re: 35mm film camera prices in the toilet

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Oct 2003 at 21:28, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Rob and a number of others have reported that 35mm film camera prices
> are in the toilet. Once again, I turned to ebay, the great arbitrer of
> camera prices, in order to pick up some bargains. Once again, I was met
> with disappointment. These don't seem to be bargains in my book: Camnera
> one, an LX at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2958055690&category=15240 The
> price for a bare body is 315.99 with 15 hours to go.

Nicely proved, the last time I sold LX's (bodies only) they closed at 9/02 
US$600, 4/02 US$550,  3/02 US$450 and 3/02 US$650

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Sell me your useless film cameras

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Oct 2003 at 20:29, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Two years ago, M6 Leicas werre going for about $950. Not exactly a
> precipitous drop in prices.

Not late mint cameras. Also the US dollar is worth less than it was 2 years ago 
as compared with the EUR and AUD.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Old lenses, *istD, and the Pentax Mad Scientists

[Dave Miers]

> One really nice thing about digital photography as far as the educator
> is concerned is that the camera records all the settings along with the
> image.  With a conventional film camera there's no way that anyone can
> tell whether I was using an auto-exposure mode or doing things manually.
> (That's why many photography courses ban the use of automatic cameras).
> With a digital system the evidence is stamped into the image. If memory
> cards are collected in the field at the end of the exercise it's going

There is at least one 35mm camera that does imprint the film negative with a
number and keeps a record of all the settings used for each negative
corresponding to that image.  I'm not sure if it records whether or not the
mode the camera was in or not.  Unfortunately it's not a pentax, but rather
a Minolta Maxxum 7.  However getting the same record out of the camera in
print for a couse instructor would be impossible I fear unless there is more
to that function then I realise.  Just a bit of trivia and possibly
something Pentax might consider for their future film cameras.

David

Re: 35mm film camera prices in the toilet

[John Mustarde]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:28:56 -0400, you wrote:

>Rob and a number of others have reported that 35mm film camera prices
>are in the toilet. Once again, I turned to ebay, the great arbitrer of
>camera prices, in order to pick up some bargains. Once again, I was met
>with disappointment. These don't seem to be bargains in my book

I hope there are no bargains, since I just listed an LX with FA-1
finder and SE-60 screen, and also an FB-1 base with FC-1 sports
finder, and a Quantum battery with charger, and a nice little Pentax
Bellows III.  But if some PDML'er wants a bargain, make me an offer
and maybe I'll end the auction early.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=texdance&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Ebay ID: Texdance

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com

RE: *ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)

[Bucky]

Didn't you read?  It'll be *obsolete*!  That's what'll be wrong with it.

Seriously, there are a few ways you could look at that statement:  It may be
obsolete because there will be cameras with higher resolution/better CCDs
around for less money than now.  Or it may be obsolete because...I
dunno...there will be more features available?

Personally, I find neither interpretation compelling.  The camera, provided
it still works, will provide the same performance and picture quality 5
years from now that it does today.  Its usefulness is unrelated to the
general state of the art.

-Original Message-
From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 19:49
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)


>
> if I had spent $1500 on a camera that will undoubtedly be obsolete in
> less than a year.

You reckon?  What's going to obsolete it, then?

And even if Pentax *do* come out with a new model (which I don't
believe will happen) what's going to be wrong with the *ist-D?

RE: *ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)

[Bucky]

Hi-firmative, SIR!

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 19:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:*ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)




Bucky wrote:
> 
> How about the *ist D?  Kinda makes me cringe to think about it...
> 
>
Makes me cringe to think about it as well. It would make me cringe more
if I had spent $1500 on a camera that will undoubtedly be obsolete in
less than a year. But can't we have a 6x7 thread without someone
switching it over to Pentax's  me too digital? Enough already.

RE: *ist 35mm

[alex wetmore]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Bucky wrote:
> I played with one yesterday while discussing the D with my friend who works
> at the local Enabler shop.  It's cute, I suppose, and handles nicely, but I
> HATED the interface for setting shutter speed and aperture, having been used
> to the Z1p's lovely layout (the Tv and Av wheels, echoed so considerately on
> the *istD).

Ouch.  I just assumed that the *ist had the same UI as the *ist D.
Why do these two cameras have the same name?  It seems like they have
nothing in common.

alex

Re: *ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)

[John Francis]

> 
> if I had spent $1500 on a camera that will undoubtedly be obsolete in
> less than a year.

You reckon?  What's going to obsolete it, then?

And even if Pentax *do* come out with a new model (which I don't
believe will happen) what's going to be wrong with the *ist-D?

Re: *ist 35mm

[John Francis]

> 
> *"The Marvelous Toy" recorded by Peter, Paul & Mary

 ... amongst others, including Val Doonican & John Denver.

And, of course, the guy who wrote it:  Tom Paxton.

For an on-topic reference, see my May 01 PUG entry:

Re: Pentax 6x7 and rain

[Juey Chong Ong]

On Sunday, Oct 19, 2003, at 22:12 America/New_York, Bucky wrote:

How about the *ist D?  Kinda makes me cringe to think about it...
Well, I looked all over the *ist D and couldn't find the "Water 
resistant to 50 metres" marking on the body. None on the FAJ 18-35 
either, although that one is mostly plastic and glass so even if it got 
dunked in water it probably wouldn't be too much of a problem.

--jc

Re:*ist D makes me cringe (was Pentax 6x7 in the rain)

[Paul Stenquist]

Bucky wrote:
> 
> How about the *ist D?  Kinda makes me cringe to think about it...
> 
>
Makes me cringe to think about it as well. It would make me cringe more
if I had spent $1500 on a camera that will undoubtedly be obsolete in
less than a year. But can't we have a 6x7 thread without someone
switching it over to Pentax's  me too digital? Enough already.

RE: *ist 35mm

[Bucky]

Makes me think of the Irish Rovers.  How scary.

-Original Message-
From: Stan Halpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 19:12
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist 35mm


There are children on the list that have no idea what you are talking about;
isn't it sad? I mentioned this line to my wife, she is now singing the full
lyrics, very nicely. Thanks for the reminder!

Stan

on 10/19/03 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Bucky posted (among many other things)
>>
>> Another gripe I noticed in the few minutes I played with it was the loud
>> "P!!!" it makes when you release the shutter, almost like
>> the sound of those kiddies' toy cars with the flywheels and gears inside
>> them (you know, the ones where you push them on the table and get the
>> internal mechanism spinning, and then they keep going for a couple of
yards
>> with all that energy stored in the flywheel).
>
>
> It went "Zip" when it moved and "Pop" when it stopped,
> "Whirrr" when it stood still
> I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will.*
>
> ... oh, right, this isn't the theme song thread ...
>  never mind ...
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *"The Marvelous Toy" recorded by Peter, Paul & Mary. Quoted with no
permission
> from
> anyone.
>
>

RE: Pentax 6x7 and rain

[Bucky]

How about the *ist D?  Kinda makes me cringe to think about it...

-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 19:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentax 6x7 and rain

Theorietically, the 6x7 is not weather sealed. 

Re: *ist 35mm

[Stan Halpin]

There are children on the list that have no idea what you are talking about;
isn't it sad? I mentioned this line to my wife, she is now singing the full
lyrics, very nicely. Thanks for the reminder!

Stan

on 10/19/03 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Bucky posted (among many other things)
>> 
>> Another gripe I noticed in the few minutes I played with it was the loud
>> "P!!!" it makes when you release the shutter, almost like
>> the sound of those kiddies' toy cars with the flywheels and gears inside
>> them (you know, the ones where you push them on the table and get the
>> internal mechanism spinning, and then they keep going for a couple of yards
>> with all that energy stored in the flywheel).
> 
> 
> It went "Zip" when it moved and "Pop" when it stopped,
> "Whirrr" when it stood still
> I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will.*
> 
> ... oh, right, this isn't the theme song thread ...
>  never mind ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *"The Marvelous Toy" recorded by Peter, Paul & Mary. Quoted with no permission
> from
> anyone.
> 
> 

Re: Pentax 6x7 and rain

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Thrainn Vigfusson"
Subject: Pentax 6x7 and rain


> Does anybody know how well the 6x7 (not 67 or 67ii) is sealed against
rain?
> I realized today after mine had been in the rain for an hour or so that I
> really had no idea.
> Mine seems fine after the ordeal. I didn't really think about if water
could
> damage it, since it looks like it could handle just about anything.
>
Theorietically, the 6x7 is not weather sealed. On the other hand, mine has
survived several drenchings, including one last fall where I stood on a rock
in the rain for over an hour and a half with it standing on a tripod in
front of me.

William Robb

Re: We need a theme song!

[ernreed2]

> Kodachrome, by Paul Simon
> 
> 
> 

NOT with the camera brand mentioned in there!

Re: OT Re: New to the list

[graywolf]

I was speaking genealogically, not genetically. Of course every living thing on 
earth is genetically related, at least according to current theories.

Bob Walkden wrote:
Hi,

Monday, October 20, 2003, 12:20:30 AM, you wrote:


I have many thousands of ancestors, but not billions, or even
millions, and am certainly not related to everybody in the world even 
indirectly. [...]


congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us.

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

RE: *ist 35mm

[ernreed2]

Bucky posted (among many other things)
> 
> Another gripe I noticed in the few minutes I played with it was the loud
> "P!!!" it makes when you release the shutter, almost like
> the sound of those kiddies' toy cars with the flywheels and gears inside
> them (you know, the ones where you push them on the table and get the
> internal mechanism spinning, and then they keep going for a couple of yards
> with all that energy stored in the flywheel).  


It went "Zip" when it moved and "Pop" when it stopped,
"Whirrr" when it stood still
I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will.* 

... oh, right, this isn't the theme song thread ...
 never mind ...











*"The Marvelous Toy" recorded by Peter, Paul & Mary. Quoted with no permission 
from
anyone.

I 95

[Butch Black]

Hi Miska

Best route Boston - NYC and points south is I 90 - I 84 - I 91 to Ct Rt 15
(exit 17 or 18). 15 changes name from Wilber Cross to Merritt to Hutchinson
(all turnpikes). The Hutch will get you into NYC. It's all 4 lane divided
55mph and with the exception of rush hour or an accident will move at 55-65.
Added advantage, no trucks.

I like to avoid I 95 in Ct as much as possible.


Butch

Re: OT Re: New to the list

[ernreed2]

Thrainn Vigfusson posted:
> I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to tell 
> people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her.
>  
> We get a lot of "...then you must know..." questions here, mainly because the 
> whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are or 
> where you live, you can expect answers like "My wife's cousin's husband's 
> great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about her."
> 
> BTW,  I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees of 
the 
> entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few seconds, 
> you can find out how you are related to anybody.
> 

In that case, I'll play ... Long, long ago (the late 1970s) in a galaxy far 
away (the island of Jamaica) I went to school with an Icelandic fellow named 
Thordur Hermannsson (whose name I am no doubt misspelling) and his two sisters. 
Do you know them?

E.R.N.
Reed

35mm film camera prices in the toilet

[Paul Stenquist]

Rob and a number of others have reported that 35mm film camera prices
are in the toilet. Once again, I turned to ebay, the great arbitrer of
camera prices, in order to pick up some bargains. Once again, I was met
with disappointment. These don't seem to be bargains in my book: Camnera
one, an LX at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2958055690&category=15240
The price for a bare body is 315.99 with 15 hours to go. There are 13
bids. Item two is a set of LX viefinders:.FB-1, FD-1. and FC-1. The
price is now 202.61 with 2 days, 18 hours to go, 4 bids Another LX body
can be seen
at.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2958676653&category=15240
The price for this bare body is 243.50 with 5 days, 18 hours to go To
date this item has drawn 14 bids.

My apologies to anyone who doesn't like to see ebay auctions posted
here. (I am counted among those.) But I think the rampant rumours about
the immediate demise of the film camera market need to be addressed.
Remember, digital cameras are nothing new. Nikon has been making digital
SLRs for quie a few years, yet Nikon film cameras still command a good
dollar. Now Pentax releases their first, somewhat limited dslr and
everyone is throwing the lifeboats in the water and jumping overboard.
It doesn't happen that way guys. Take a look at what's actually going on
in the real world of camera sales and pricing.
Paul

Re: New to the list

[John Francis]

> 
> Well, I'm sure I'll be corrected by someone in the Mother Country if I'm 
> wrong, but I think there are several express trains and a controlled access 
> highway between London and Glascow, so that the travel time, either by train 
> or car, is the same as it is between Montreal and Toronto.
> 
> I don't think it's as much about time, as it is about us North Americans 
> being used to larger distances.  London to Glascow is the length of Britain. 
>   Montreal to Toronto is a about 1/10th Canada from coast to coast.

Oh, quite.  You can fit the UK inside California with room to spare.
(That's another 400 mile reference trip - Los Angeles to San Francisco)

But you can't really compare Canada to the UK for transport, anyway.
For a start Canada has been called a "country three thousand miles long
and twenty miles wide".  That's a bit of an exaggeration, but it's hard
to have a route between large towns that doesn't use the main East-West
transport corridor.

Re: We need a theme song!

[Dan Matyola]

Kodachrome, by Paul Simon

Re: Sell me your useless film cameras

[Paul Stenquist]

They're crying for it Just check out the Leica forum on PhotoNet. But I
can't imagine how a digital rangefinder makes any sense at all. 

Steve Desjardins wrote:
> 
> Even Leica may have to deal with changes eventually.  Any reason they
> couldn't stick a sensor in an M7, aside from their corporate mentality?
> I bet the Leica types would pay major money for a camera like that, not
> matter how much or little sense it made.

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexist

[Paul Stenquist]

Exactly. It's not really sexist. It's not particularly offensive to
most. It's just lousy advertising. But isn't that what we might expect/
By the way, someone raised an ineresting point earlier. Pentax probably
made it on the cheap. You can bet it's a stock photo that cost them
about $500 at most. A goos shoot would go for about $10,000. You do the math.

Amita Guha wrote:
> 
> I have to say I didn't find the ad all that offensive, but it doesn't
> say a thing about the camera. I showed it to my husband and at first
> glance he thought it was a lingerie ad.
> 
> In general I don't get too steamed about this sort of thing, but I have
> to wonder about their strategy, if they have one. I mean, this is a
> $1700 piece of technology, not a sixpack of Budweiser...

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexistic

[Paul Stenquist]

> 
> As a Land-Rover owner for 20+ years, I note Land-Rover hits the right
> advertising notes, many from the past which I have collected. The 80s
> Range-Rover advert showing a Range-Rover fording a river with the caption
> 'We brake for fish', was amusing, inoffensive and attention grabbing, and
> was in keeping with the product being marketed.


And it was a remake of an old Jeep ad, as were many Land-Rover ads.

Re: We need a theme song!

[Mr. William M. Kane]

We'll miss you Warren.  Now perhaps you'll get some sleep.

IL Bill
On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 06:51 PM, Bucky wrote:
No, the late great Warren Zevon.

-Original Message-
From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 16:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: We need a theme song!


"Poor, poor, pitiful me" - Linda Ronstadt

Butch

Re: Sell me your useless film cameras

[Paul Stenquist]

Two years ago, M6 Leicas werre going for about $950. Not exactly a
precipitous drop in prices.

Rob Studdert wrote:
> 
> On 18 Oct 2003 at 9:15, Bob Walkden wrote:
> 
> > I haven't kept a close eye on London shop prices recently, but what I
> > have seen seems much the same as it always was. If there has been a
> > Leica M price fall could it be because of the MP, rather than digital?
> > When one of the London dealers first told me about the MP he said
> > Leica were bringing it out because the good prices and brisk trade in M3s
> > indicated a healthy market for an all-mechanical M. Perhaps a drop in
> > the used market shows that they were right.
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> You guys seem to generally get screwed in the UK on camera pricing however for
> reasons unknown Robert White had some of the best deals in the world for Mamiya
> 7 kit so that's where I bought a deal of mine. Leicas out of Germany are going
> for a song these days and the last one that I sold (excellent condition late
> black M6) in US$ only raised US$950 (with free International shipping).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexistic

[Paul Stenquist]

graywolf wrote:
> 
> Damn the ad is racist too,

Huh? Please explain.

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexistic

[Paul Stenquist]

Steve Desjardins wrote:
> 
.  Sadly, however, I found myself staring at
> the picture of the *istD with lust . . .

That is sad. Allow me to express my condolences.

Re: Sell me your useless film cameras

[Paul Stenquist]

I've been watching ebay for an M6. So far, no bargains. I'm also a
regular on the Leica forum. No one is paniced over there. Many have
digital cameras, but they're not about to give up their Leicas. In fact,
this is the only forum where I've witnessed an overnight flip-flop.

Bob Walkden wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Saturday, October 18, 2003, 1:00:42 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > I know at least Leica M have plummetted in value over the last 12 months, the
> > last two of mine I sold (had 6 bodies) went for far less than I would have
> > liked, the flailing US$ doesn't help either. Also many European eBayers are
> > practically giving Pentax kit away.
> 
> I haven't kept a close eye on London shop prices recently, but what I
> have seen seems much the same as it always was. If there has been a
> Leica M price fall could it be because of the MP, rather than digital?
> When one of the London dealers first told me about the MP he said
> Leica were bringing it out because the good prices and brisk trade in M3s
> indicated a healthy market for an all-mechanical M. Perhaps a drop in
> the used market shows that they were right.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering 
> medicine to the dead."
> 
> -- Thomas Paine, in "The Age of Reason"

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexistic

[Dan Matyola]

I agree it isn't good marketing, but I don't think its offensive, 
either, unless one is seeking things about which to take offense.

frank theriault wrote:

C'mon, Dan,

This isn't about political correctness.  It's about marketing.

Re: Sell me your useless film cameras

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Oct 2003 at 19:19, Steve Desjardins wrote:

> Even Leica may have to deal with changes eventually.  Any reason they
> couldn't stick a sensor in an M7, aside from their corporate mentality? 
> I bet the Leica types would pay major money for a camera like that, not
> matter how much or little sense it made.

Given that the M cameras have a removable back and base I guess it wouldn't be 
unreasonable for them to provide a digital back at some stage. It would 
actually make quite a lot of sense, I'd be interested.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

RE: *ist 35mm

[Cari Spano]

Thanks for your input on the *ist. I will have to take a look at the
other cameras you suggested.
Cari

> -Original Message-
> From: Bucky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: *ist 35mm
> 
> I played with one yesterday while discussing the D with my friend who
> works
> at the local Enabler shop.  It's cute, I suppose, and handles nicely,
but
> I
> HATED the interface for setting shutter speed and aperture, having
been
> used
> to the Z1p's lovely layout (the Tv and Av wheels, echoed so
considerately
> on
> the *istD).  I do like the placement of the DOF preview feature,
which, on
> other bodies, has always seemed somewhat out of the way to me.
> 
> Another gripe I noticed in the few minutes I played with it was the
loud
> "P!!!" it makes when you release the shutter, almost
like
> the sound of those kiddies' toy cars with the flywheels and gears
inside
> them (you know, the ones where you push them on the table and get the
> internal mechanism spinning, and then they keep going for a couple of
> yards
> with all that energy stored in the flywheel).  Not bad outside or in
> crowded
> places with lots of talking going on, but WAY too loud to be
unobtrusive
> in
> a quiet setting, and, subjectively, smacking of plastic and cheapness
and
> barely-adequate motors.
> 
> Now, as someone on this list has said (and I agree), plastic is not
> automatically a cheap substitute anymore.  I am  a fan of *good*
plastic
> construction, for weight issues, resilience, and the like.  However, I
> don't
> like the nagging feeling that the machine I'm using is fragile.
> 
> My preference would be to get a used MZ-5N or -3, although I am sure
that
> some will disagree.   I had a 5N for a couple of years, and it was
> supremely
> intuitive in its interface, being essentially like the manual SLRs
we're
> all
> on such intimate terms with.  In the end, if you like how it feels and
how
> its interface works, then go for it, because that's all that matters.
> 
> BTW, the Batt. Grip makes it MUCH easier to handle, IMO.  I find the
> Pentax
> bodies a little hard to deal with because of their small vertical
> dimension - I like to have more space for my hand.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Cari Spano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 19-Oct-03 15:56
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: *ist 35mm
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone used the *ist 35mm camera? I currently own the SF1 which I
> have had since about 1987 and I am thinking about buying a newer
Pentax.
> I would love to hear some input on it. I would love to have the *istd
> but that is way out of my price range.
> 
> Thanks for your input,
> Cari
> 

OT Re: New to the list

[Bruce Rubenstein]

I already knew that.

BR

From: Bob Walkden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us.

Re: OT Re: New to the list

[frank theriault]

I've long had my suspicions about Thomas (before I hit "send", I'd better 
check to make sure I've got Rittenhouse in my crosshairs this time! ).

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: Bob Walkden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT Re: New to the list
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:40:27 +0100
congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us.

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Re: We need a theme song!

[John Francis]

> 
> 
> Electric Light Orchestra, by any chance?
> Egad, am I dating myself! And no, I didn't look it up!
> Doesn't matter, as I don't recall anything they did.

Think that's dating yourself?  I know what they were
called before they changed their name to Electric Light
Orchestra, and can name several of their song titles.

Re: New to the list

[John Francis]

> 
> you are kidding, right?
> i am almost envisioning a "large, mostly empty" highway from Boston to NYC
> ( i guess that should count for "major towns", eh? ).

The Atlantic corridor is not representative of the US as a whole.  But the
point is that since the Eisenhower administration created the Interstate
Highway System (designed for an average road speed of 80Mph) travel by road
for long distances has been a reasonable low-cost option in the USA.

Try travelling along the A6 in the UK sometime.  That's one of the original
major road routes in the UK (hence the single-digit number).  For quite a
lot of it's length it is a two-lane road (not two lanes each way; two lanes
in total) with no overtaking.  Get stuck behind a slow-moving vehicle and
you'll be sitting there for miles.

Re: New to the list

[frank theriault]

Well, I'm sure I'll be corrected by someone in the Mother Country if I'm 
wrong, but I think there are several express trains and a controlled access 
highway between London and Glascow, so that the travel time, either by train 
or car, is the same as it is between Montreal and Toronto.

I don't think it's as much about time, as it is about us North Americans 
being used to larger distances.  London to Glascow is the length of Britain. 
 Montreal to Toronto is a about 1/10th Canada from coast to coast.

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New to the list
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:19:53 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that 
we
> from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is
> where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
>
> "That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in
> astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...

What these sort of comparisons usually forget to do is to allow for the
infrastructure differences in different parts of the world.  It's all too
easy to assume that the rest of the world is basically similar to your bit.
Thus Americans tend to envision major towns connected by large, mostly 
empty,
highways, while the English think in terms of narrow, winding roads, with
massive congestion on the few limited-access highways.

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Recently I updated the desktop machine to XP home edition, and someone here
helped me getting the PUG images to come up on the screen.  Now I've got the
same problem with the laptop.  I get the PUG page with names, but no images.
I've verified that all the settings under internet options are the same on
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Re: New to the list

[frank theriault]

Damn it!!

It was (relatively) early on Sunday morning, I still hadn't finished my 
second cup of java (it takes three to wake up on weekends), and I saw "Tom". 
 Or, should I say, "tom".  So no, not too much to drink (not even a 
hangover), just insufficient caffiene.

Or was it last night?  I can't remember when I sent that post!  They all 
blend into one great big post after a while.  H.  If it was last night, 
I don't think I had too much to drink.  Just the right amount, IIRC...

As that obnoxious Stossel guy on 20/20 (an American newsmagazine show, for 
those of you from outside North America) would say, "Gimme a break!"

And now that I re-read my post, I see that not only did I get the wrong tom, 
I mis-spelled Rittenhouse.  Ach!!!  I quit!

ciao,
knarf


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Damn, these Canadians can't tell a Thomas Van Veen in the DC area, from a 
Thomas Rittenhouse in the NC Mountains either. That is understandable as we 
both have ancestors from Holland so are very hard to tell apart especially 
when one of us signs our posts "tv" and the other "graywolf". That makes it 
really truely hard to tell the difference.

If I was paranoid I would think my name was being used as an insult. Then 
TV and I would have to beat he bunny ears off you. But I think you probably 
just had enough to drink and it is time you went to bed.

(GRIN)

frank theriault wrote:

Just you wait, Thomas Rittehouse!



-frank



"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Funny, all my Canadian friends know the bike guy in bunny ears.

They say you wear really tight shorts.

tv


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RE: We need a theme song!

[Bucky]

No, the late great Warren Zevon.

-Original Message-
From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 16:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: We need a theme song!



"Poor, poor, pitiful me" - Linda Ronstadt

Butch

RE: We need a theme song!

[Steve Desjardins]

LOL!


"Poor, poor, pitiful me" - Linda Ronstadt

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)



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Re: New to the list

[frank theriault]

You seem out to get me these days, Tom!  

I think 35 years of living in a metric/imperial hybrid system has finally 
taken it's toll.

How about 4000 km from Toronto to Vancouver?

I know it's 4000 ~miles~ (more or less, please don't correct me! ) from 
the Atlantic to Pacific.

BTW, I failed geography in grade 7.  Can you tell?



cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In fact there are Canadian's who think Toronto, ON is 4000 miles from 
Vancouver, BC when it is in fact 2491.6 miles by road (according to the 
"AAA Map&Go" software, shortist route). But what is 1500 miles between 
friends (GRIN)?


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RE: Increasing the workflow.

[Cesar Matamoros II]

Cotty,

New batteries have their shelf life extended by storing them in cooler
temperatures.

I had a friend who was moving and wanted me to dispose of the batteries at a
recycler on base.  For fun I went through the bag of batteries with my
checker and found maybe 10% of them to be bad.

So with my new supply of batteries that I could not use in a short time I
decided to put them in the fridge.  The pile has dwindled down a bit, but
still quite a few in there...  These are not the rechargeable types, they
are all alkilines I believe.

Some free time this weekend - and knowing full well that this has probably
already been answered - but since the query was addressed to me I figured I
would respond.

200+ messages left, and counting,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

-- -Original Message-
-- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:51 PM
--
-- On 17/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
--
-- >It did surprise my parents when they
-- >looked at my refrigerator and noted how much of the space
-- was taken up by
-- >film and batteries...
--
-- Cesar, you keep batteries in the fridge??
--
-- Can you tell me why?
--
--
-- Cheers,
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RE: We need a theme song!

[Butch Black]

 -Original Message-
> From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I propose:
> "Bei mir ist d schoen"
> 
> Any other ideas?

"Stop Your Sobbing" - The Pretenders


"Poor, poor, pitiful me" - Linda Ronstadt

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

Re: OT Re: New to the list

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Monday, October 20, 2003, 12:20:30 AM, you wrote:

>  I have many thousands of ancestors, but not billions, or even
> millions, and am certainly not related to everybody in the world even 
> indirectly. [...]

congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us.

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Re: OT Re: New to the list

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Sunday, October 19, 2003, 11:44:33 PM, you wrote:

> You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. 
> I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population 
> though.

> Thrainn

Mitochondrial 'Eve' lived about 150,000 years ago. That is about 6,000
generations ago.

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Re: New to the list

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Sunday, October 19, 2003, 11:22:44 PM, you wrote:

> Chuck the first part of that journey, unless you like traffic and misery,
> and substitute with M11, A14, M6 then...

that was according to Bill Gates, so it must be correct! (Autoroute
software).

-- 
Cheers,
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Re: OT Re: New to the list

[graywolf]

Yes, I always hear these little number games. Actually, since there always has 
been an immense amount of inbreding in human populations the number game is 
meaningless. I have many thousands of ancestors, but not billions, or even 
millions, and am certainly not related to everybody in the world even 
indirectly. This number game is the same arithmetic that says you can never hit 
the wall you are driving toward at 100kph. You need to use a calculus not 
arithmetic for these kinds of problems.

In a small population like Iceland maybe most of the people whose families have 
lived there for several hundred years are interrelated, but 6 generations give 
512 ancestors. However many of those 512 ancestors can be the same person, if 
just 2 of your ancestors were related then there you only have 256 possible 
ancestors in 6 generations. In all likelihood in a population as small as 
Iceland many of ones ancestors were cousins, maybe only 5th or 6th cousins but 
that reduces the number of ancestors in ones family tree drastically.



Thrainn Vigfusson wrote:
You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. 
I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population 
though.

Thrainn

On Sunday 19 October 2003 20:44, Jostein wrote:

Hi, Thrainn.

I completely forgot my manners here. Heartily welcome to the list. As you
haev already noticed, off-topic issues are plentiful and benign on this
list. :-)
Your notes about genealogy brings a smile on my face. Norway's population
is about 20 times yours, and it's still pretty common to get those "do you
know...", based on who you are, where your family is from etc.
Iceland probably has the most complete population genealogy of all
nations...
-Just one little q, out of curiosity; how many generations do you need to
go back before the whole of today's population is interrelated? :-)
Jostein

-
Pictures at: http://oksne.net
-
- Original Message -
From: "Thrainn Vigfusson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: OT Re: New to the list

I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to
tell people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her.
We get a lot of "...then you must know..." questions here, mainly because
the


whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are
or


where you live, you can expect answers like "My wife's cousin's husband's
great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about
her."


BTW,  I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees
of
the


entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few
seconds,


you can find out how you are related to anybody.

On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:11, frank theriault wrote:

Hi, again,

Gee, Thrainn.  I was only joking.  Not about Bjork being smokin', which
she


is, but about whether you knew her.  I knew Iceland was a small place,
I didn't know it's that small.
And, I know how to spell "Icelandic", BTW (that was a type in the
earlier


post).

It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and
mentioning


how small your country's population is, reminds me of an ongoing
Canadian


joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every Canadian I know tells
a


story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out we're from
Canada, they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've met
them."  Of course the answer is:  "Well, there are 35 million
Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't
met your cousins."
Enough rambling.  I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings
anyway...




cheers,
frank




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Re: Sell me your useless film cameras

[Steve Desjardins]

Even Leica may have to deal with changes eventually.  Any reason they
couldn't stick a sensor in an M7, aside from their corporate mentality? 
I bet the Leica types would pay major money for a camera like that, not
matter how much or little sense it made.

RE: *ist 35mm

[Bucky]

I played with one yesterday while discussing the D with my friend who works
at the local Enabler shop.  It's cute, I suppose, and handles nicely, but I
HATED the interface for setting shutter speed and aperture, having been used
to the Z1p's lovely layout (the Tv and Av wheels, echoed so considerately on
the *istD).  I do like the placement of the DOF preview feature, which, on
other bodies, has always seemed somewhat out of the way to me.

Another gripe I noticed in the few minutes I played with it was the loud
"P!!!" it makes when you release the shutter, almost like
the sound of those kiddies' toy cars with the flywheels and gears inside
them (you know, the ones where you push them on the table and get the
internal mechanism spinning, and then they keep going for a couple of yards
with all that energy stored in the flywheel).  Not bad outside or in crowded
places with lots of talking going on, but WAY too loud to be unobtrusive in
a quiet setting, and, subjectively, smacking of plastic and cheapness and
barely-adequate motors.

Now, as someone on this list has said (and I agree), plastic is not
automatically a cheap substitute anymore.  I am  a fan of *good* plastic
construction, for weight issues, resilience, and the like.  However, I don't
like the nagging feeling that the machine I'm using is fragile.

My preference would be to get a used MZ-5N or -3, although I am sure that
some will disagree.   I had a 5N for a couple of years, and it was supremely
intuitive in its interface, being essentially like the manual SLRs we're all
on such intimate terms with.  In the end, if you like how it feels and how
its interface works, then go for it, because that's all that matters.

BTW, the Batt. Grip makes it MUCH easier to handle, IMO.  I find the Pentax
bodies a little hard to deal with because of their small vertical
dimension - I like to have more space for my hand.


-Original Message-
From: Cari Spano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19-Oct-03 15:56
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *ist 35mm



Has anyone used the *ist 35mm camera? I currently own the SF1 which I
have had since about 1987 and I am thinking about buying a newer Pentax.
I would love to hear some input on it. I would love to have the *istd
but that is way out of my price range.

Thanks for your input,
Cari

Re: New to the list

[Keith Whaley]

Cotty wrote:
> 
> On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> 
> >This summer a couple of hiking loonies took it on to walk from the
> >northernmost point (North Cape) to the southernmost (Lindesnes). They claim
> >the discance to be 2518 km. Not like US or Canada, but pretty good for a
> >country that's stretched out in only one direction...:-)
> >
> >How far is London-Glasgow, really?
> 
> About 3 1/2 six-packs of McEwan's (travelling south)

South? From where? The Arctic circle?

Oh, you must mean Glasgow-London!  

- keith
 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

Re: New to the list

[Steve Desjardins]

Welcome.  In case you've missed it, the 6x7 users on the list are
refered to as "the brotherhood".  I'm sure they are pleased to welcome
another "true believer".


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Cold facts

[Steve Desjardins]

Q: I like to leave my MX in the truck so I always have a camera, but I'm
wondering about that as winter approaches. Typical VA winter weather is
20's at night and 40's during the day.   I know you store film in the
cold, but I'm wondering if the temp changes will affect the film. 


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

*ist 35mm

[Cari Spano]

Has anyone used the *ist 35mm camera? I currently own the SF1 which I
have had since about 1987 and I am thinking about buying a newer Pentax.
I would love to hear some input on it. I would love to have the *istd
but that is way out of my price range.

Thanks for your input,
Cari

Re: Breaking News: Re: *ist-D ad claimed to

[mishka]

c'mon, it's fun!

mishka

This topic has received way more attention than it deserved

Jerry in Houston

Re: We need a theme song!

[Cotty]

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> 'Drive My Car' - Beatles
>
>Pentax already thought of that one...
>Look @ the frontpage of the Optio 450/550 folder:
>
>http://home.online.no/~jooksne/drivemycar.jpg
>
>:-)
>Jostein

Another sexist ad!!!

Is the bird thinking to herself, 'Hmm he handles this golf cart like his
4 Iron.'

That's it, I'm outa here


Cheers,
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Re: OT Re: New to the list

[Thrainn Vigfusson]

You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. 
I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population 
though.

Thrainn

On Sunday 19 October 2003 20:44, Jostein wrote:
> Hi, Thrainn.
>
> I completely forgot my manners here. Heartily welcome to the list. As you
> haev already noticed, off-topic issues are plentiful and benign on this
> list. :-)
>
> Your notes about genealogy brings a smile on my face. Norway's population
> is about 20 times yours, and it's still pretty common to get those "do you
> know...", based on who you are, where your family is from etc.
>
> Iceland probably has the most complete population genealogy of all
> nations...
> -Just one little q, out of curiosity; how many generations do you need to
> go back before the whole of today's population is interrelated? :-)
>
> Jostein
>
> -
> Pictures at: http://oksne.net
> -
> - Original Message -
> From: "Thrainn Vigfusson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: OT Re: New to the list
>
> > I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to
> > tell people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her.
> >
> > We get a lot of "...then you must know..." questions here, mainly because
>
> the
>
> > whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are
>
> or
>
> > where you live, you can expect answers like "My wife's cousin's husband's
> > great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about
>
> her."
>
> > BTW,  I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees
> > of
>
> the
>
> > entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few
>
> seconds,
>
> > you can find out how you are related to anybody.
> >
> > On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:11, frank theriault wrote:
> > > Hi, again,
> > >
> > > Gee, Thrainn.  I was only joking.  Not about Bjork being smokin', which
>
> she
>
> > > is, but about whether you knew her.  I knew Iceland was a small place,
> > > I didn't know it's that small.
> > >
> > > And, I know how to spell "Icelandic", BTW (that was a type in the
>
> earlier
>
> > > post).
> > >
> > > It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and
>
> mentioning
>
> > > how small your country's population is, reminds me of an ongoing
>
> Canadian
>
> > > joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every Canadian I know tells
>
> a
>
> > > story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out we're from
> > > Canada, they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've met
> > > them."  Of course the answer is:  "Well, there are 35 million
> > > Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't
> > > met your cousins."
> > >
> > > Enough rambling.  I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings
>
> anyway...
>
> > > 
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > frank

Pentax 6x7 and rain

[Thrainn Vigfusson]

Does anybody know how well the 6x7 (not 67 or 67ii) is sealed against rain? 
I realized today after mine had been in the rain for an hour or so that I 
really had no idea.
Mine seems fine after the ordeal. I didn't really think about if water could 
damage it, since it looks like it could handle just about anything.

Thrainn


On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  Hi, Thrainn,
> Welcome to the list. At times we can be very knowledgeable, and at
> minimal,entertaining, at best
>
> I too have just started with a used 6x7 and like it very much.I have been
> shooting E100vs and some
> kodak neg film during the summer,but plan on doing B&w with it over the
> winter months.
>
> Enjoy the emails.
>
> Dave Brooks
>
> > > From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: New to the list
> > > >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:00:59 +
> > > >
> > > >Hi there,
> > > >
> > > >My name is Thrainn Vigfusson, and I joined the list recently. I'm
> > > > Icelandic and have been using Pentax cameras for 25 years or so. I
> > > > started with an MX and M 50mm f1.7 lens, but have since then bought a
> > > > MZ-5n and a MZ-S, along with a bunch of lenses, e.g. the FA 24-90mm,
> > > > the F100mm f2.8 macro, the 17-28mm fisheye, and two Sigmas: The
> > > > 70-200 f2.8 Ex and the 400mm f5.6.
> > > >
> > > >I got a used 6x7 two months ago with a 105mm f2.4 lens that I'm
> > > > learning to use.
> > > >
> > > >I mainly shoot landscape/nature photos with Velvia and Provia these
> > > > days, but
> > > >I plan to get back into black and white with the 6x7.
> > > >
> > > >Thrainn
> > >
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Re: New to the list

[mishka]

you are kidding, right?
i am almost envisioning a "large, mostly empty" highway from Boston to NYC
( i guess that should count for "major towns", eh? ).
I-95 that is. last time i went there (a few weeks ago), i got stuck in traffic
for almost two hours between stamford and pelhams. at 11pm.
and the same on the way back.
mishka

Thus Americans tend to envision major towns connected by large, mostly empty,
highways, while the English think in terms of narrow, winding roads, with
massive congestion on the few limited-access highways.

Re: New to the list

[Cotty]

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>This summer a couple of hiking loonies took it on to walk from the
>northernmost point (North Cape) to the southernmost (Lindesnes). They claim
>the discance to be 2518 km. Not like US or Canada, but pretty good for a
>country that's stretched out in only one direction...:-)
>
>How far is London-Glasgow, really?

About 3 1/2 six-packs of McEwan's (travelling south)




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RE: New to the list

[Malcolm Smith]

Bob Walkden wrote:

> TimeDistance InstructionRoadFor   
>   Dir Toward
> 09:00   0.0 Depart London, UK   A2021.4 km  W
> 09:02   1.4 Turn left onto  A3022.3 km  W
> 09:06   3.6 Go onto A5  1.8 km  NW
> 09:09   5.5 Turn right onto A5205   0.8 km  E
> 09:11   6.3 Turn left onto  A41 6.3 km  NW
> 09:20   12.6Turn left onto  A406439 m   W
> 09:21   13.0At Kingsbury, bear right onto   M1  122.0 
> kmW   Luton
> 10:22   135.0   At M1-M6, turn left ontoM6  363.3 
> kmW   Coventry
> 13:24   498.3   At Carlisle-North, go onto  A74 [E5], 
> [E18] 10.0 km W   Glasgow
> 13:30   508.3   Go onto M74 [E5], 
> [E18] 13.3 km NW  Glasgow
> 13:37   521.6   Go onto A74 [E5]  
>   5.2 km  W   Glasgow
> 13:41   526.7   Go onto M74 [E5]  
>   18.7 km W   Glasgow
> 13:50   545.4   Bear right onto A74 [E5]  
>   30.1 km N   Glasgow
> 14:09   575.5   Go onto A74-M [E5]
>   11.7 km W   Glasgow
> 14:15   587.2   At Abington, bear left onto M74 [E5]  
>   47.3 km N   Glasgow
> 14:39   634.5   At Birkenshaw, bear right onto  M73 [E5]  
>   1.5 km  N   
> 14:40   635.9   At Old Monkland, bear left onto M8 [E5] 14.6 
> km N   Glasgow
> 14:41   636.7   Refuel before here: last refuel 636.7 
> kilometres ago
> 14:48   650.5   At Glasgow-Centre, turn left onto A8  1.0 km  E
> 14:49   651.6   Arrive Glasgow, UK  
> 
> distances measured in the Napoleonic manner.

Chuck the first part of that journey, unless you like traffic and misery,
and substitute with M11, A14, M6 then...

Malcolm

Re: We need a theme song!

[Bob Blakely]

I turn on the tube and what do I see 
A whole lotta people shootin' Nikon with glee
They point their shiny little lenses at everybody else 
While Pentax users are feelin' sorry for themselves 
Victim of this, victim of that 
Your lens is too slow; your camera's not black

Get over it 
Get over it 
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit 
Get over it, get over it 

You say they haven't been the same since LX had it's day
But you might feel better if Pentax showed you the way
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right 
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight 
You don't want *ist-D, you want Pentax film king 
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing 

Get over it 
Get over it 
If you don't want to shoot, then you might as well split 
Get over it, Get over it 

It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak 
You're makin' the most of Pentax's losin' streak 
Some call it sick, but I call it weak 

You drag your Pentax around like a ball and chain 
You wallow in it's shame; you wallow in it's pain 
You wave Pentax like a flag, you wear it like a crown 
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down 
Complain about their present and blame it on their past 
I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass 

Get over it 
Get over it 
All this bitchin' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit 
Get over it, get over it 

Get over it 
Get over it 
It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit 
Get over it, get over it

Regards,
Bob...

"Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying
the object which is abused.  Men can go wrong with wine
and women.  Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?"
-Martin Luther

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexist

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Ignatiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I guess, the ideal ad would show a scantily clad girl
> trying an *istD and a scantily clad guy holding a bunch
> of FA* lenses (the big ones, to really get the message 
> across) for her. For the precious moments indeed. 

Hmm... For a setup like that, there should also be some filters.
Just to throw in the accessories as well...

Jostein
 

Re: New to the list

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>
> Isn't there some little factoid somewhere about if you walk around the
> entire boundary of Norway it's the same distance as from the Earth to the
> moon? Bonus points if you find Slartibartfast's signature...

Dunno how long it really is, but the "fiddlybits" certainly add length to
the coastline.
Slartibartfast's signature would probably be drowned by some hydropower dam,
though...

This summer a couple of hiking loonies took it on to walk from the
northernmost point (North Cape) to the southernmost (Lindesnes). They claim
the discance to be 2518 km. Not like US or Canada, but pretty good for a
country that's stretched out in only one direction...:-)

How far is London-Glasgow, really?

Jostein

Re: Not a sign of istD advertising mainstream yet!

[graywolf]

I sometimes think we want them to advertise more so our friends will know what 
we are using. Certainly when you are selling them faster than you can make them 
advertising is not a big need.

Digital is definitely coming of age. The local Wal-Mart (remember this is in a 
town of 15K population) now has about 3 times as many digital cameras on the 
shelf as they do film cameras. There are 4 film SLRs (3 versions of the Rebel, 
and a Minolta), and no DSLRs however.



Sid Barras wrote:

The era of DSLRs in reach price-wise for the masses is almost here. If
pentax doesn't get the word out this model will definitely be a loss for
them. And us as well- if this model doesn't make it, will we ever be a
second?
--
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http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: New to the list

[graywolf]

Some times it is. "I'm going to the drug store, be back day after tomorrow", he 
told his wife as he fired up the airplane.

Cotty wrote:

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:


Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we 

from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is 

where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.

"That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in 
astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...


Bloody hell! And I thought it was a long way to the chemist's...



Cheers,
  Cotty
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"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

RE: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexistic

[Malcolm Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> But, really briefly, yeah, I am female and I find the ad 
> sexist. Disappointed in Pentax.
> 
> I usually do when there is an undressed woman with a fully 
> dressed man. And especially when that depiction is used to 
> sell something.

It's a dated style of advertising and you have to wonder if it's been used
before sometime and been cheap to re-use. For a piece of new technology, it
has no great selling point, or any Pentax selling point for that matter.

I often wonder how many companies production departments must groan, when
they see how badly their new product is misplaced advertising wise, as those
who sell, often appear to have no comprehension or understanding of the
product that needs to be sold, which they have spent so much time getting to
production.

As a Land-Rover owner for 20+ years, I note Land-Rover hits the right
advertising notes, many from the past which I have collected. The 80s
Range-Rover advert showing a Range-Rover fording a river with the caption
'We brake for fish', was amusing, inoffensive and attention grabbing, and
was in keeping with the product being marketed.

It can be done. Pentax take note.

Malcolm  

Re: New to the list

[graywolf]

Damn, these Canadians can't tell a Thomas Van Veen in the DC area, from a Thomas 
Rittenhouse in the NC Mountains either. That is understandable as we both have 
ancestors from Holland so are very hard to tell apart especially when one of us 
signs our posts "tv" and the other "graywolf". That makes it really truely hard 
to tell the difference.

If I was paranoid I would think my name was being used as an insult. Then TV and 
I would have to beat he bunny ears off you. But I think you probably just had 
enough to drink and it is time you went to bed.

(GRIN)

frank theriault wrote:

Just you wait, Thomas Rittehouse!



-frank



"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Funny, all my Canadian friends know the bike guy in bunny ears.

They say you wear really tight shorts.

tv


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http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Need a cheap A 50mm lens

[Chris Brogden]

Hi,

Does anyone have an A-series 50mm f1.7 or f2 lens that they could spare?
I need one for a camera I'm giving to a friend.  While it would be nice if
the barrel was in good shape, I don't care that much about cosmetic
condition as long as the glass is good, the focusing smooth, and there's
no oil on the blades.

Please reply off-list if you have one you could part with, and let me know
the price.

Thanks!

chris

Re: New to the list

[graywolf]

When I lived in Oklahoma I was always being asked if I knew someone or another 
in Detroit where I grew up. They never seemed to be able to understand that the 
Detroit metro area had 5 times as many people as the whole state of Oklahoma. It 
is really a matter of where folks are from (village, town, city, metro-area) as 
to how they look at such things, not what nationality they are.

In fact there are Canadian's who think Toronto, ON is 4000 miles from Vancouver, 
BC when it is in fact 2491.6 miles by road (according to the "AAA Map&Go" 
software, shortist route). But what is 1500 miles between friends (GRIN)?

frank theriault wrote:

Hi, again,

Gee, Thrainn.  I was only joking.  Not about Bjork being smokin', which 
she is, but about whether you knew her.  I knew Iceland was a small 
place, I didn't know it's that small.

And, I know how to spell "Icelandic", BTW (that was a type in the 
earlier post).

It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and 
mentioning how small your country's population is, reminds me of an 
ongoing Canadian joke about Americans.  It seems that almost every 
Canadian I know tells a story of visiting the US, and when the Americans 
find out we're from Canada, they'll say "Oh, I have a cousin in 
Vancouver, maybe you've met them."  Of course the answer is:  "Well, 
there are 35 million Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from 
Toronto, so no I haven't met your cousins."

Enough rambling.  I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings 
anyway...  

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer





From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New to the list
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:02 +
Sorry about the previous message. I hit the send button by accident.

I dont know Bjork personally. I've  only seen her a few times shopping 
and so
on.
The population of Iceland is only about 280 thousand, so sooner or 
later you
see everybody. For example, I met the president of Iceland at a kiosk the
other day.

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you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: We need a theme song!

[Heiko Hamann]

>> "Bei mir ist d schoen"
>> Any other ideas?
>Killing Joke:
>"(Living in the) Eighties"

"Brand new toy" - Jeremy Days

Cheers, Heiko

Re: Oh What a Night!

[Keith Whaley]

Ha ha... 

That sounds like an old joke to me, Cotty!  
Like those passed around in a pub...

keith 

Cotty wrote:
> 
> On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> 
> >Shame on you Cotty,
> >
> >Describing Vimto as  carbonated fruit drink is a bit like calling Ansel
> >Adams a holiday snapper.
> >
> >Anyway how can you know about Irn Bru from the Southern enclave of Oxford?
> >Has civilisation reached that far down yet.
> 
> LOL. I am actually a character in 'The Archers' !
> 
> Did I tell you that I have a soft spot for Yorkshiremen?
> 
> It's a peat-bog near Fangdale Beck.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

Re: Photo manipulation software recommendations? (long)

[John Dallman]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(graywolf) wrote:

> Not too hard to do in straight HTML.

I did that first time round. It's kind of slow for people with 
less-than-modern computers, when the JPEGS are 2Mb+.


--- 
John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New to the list

[Cotty]

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we
>> from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is
>> where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
>>
>> "That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in
>> astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...
>
>Well, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but enemies...
>We have some decent stretches of driving in my little country too, and the
>distance itself is endurable. But UK traffic makes all of a difference.

Isn't there some little factoid somewhere about if you walk around the
entire boundary of Norway it's the same distance as from the Earth to the
moon? Bonus points if you find Slartibartfast's signature...




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RE: We need a theme song!

[Cotty]

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> I propose:
>> "Bei mir ist d schoen"
>> 
>> Any other ideas?
>
>"Stop Your Sobbing" - The Pretenders

'Drive My Car' - Beatles




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Re: Photo manipulation software recommendations? (long)

[John Dallman]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Anders Hultman) wrote:

> If you want to do scripted picture manipulation, my recommendation 
> would be ImageMagick. A very versatile command line tool: 
> www.imagemagick.com

That looks interesting: downloading tomorrow on work's high-speed line. 

--- 
John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexistic

[Eactivist]

Okay, I almost decided to stay completely out of it. 

But, really briefly, yeah, I am female and I find the ad sexist. Disappointed 
in Pentax.

I usually do when there is an undressed woman with a fully dressed man. And 
especially when that depiction is used to sell something.

Marnie aka Doe  Not to mention that the ad is pretty stupid too.

Re: New to the list

[Cotty]

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we 
>from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is 
>where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
>
>"That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in 
>astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...

Bloody hell! And I thought it was a long way to the chemist's...




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Re: New to the list

[Keith Whaley]

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> Who posted earlier in the week that in North America, 100 years is a long
> time, and in England (or was it Europe?), 100 miles is a long way?
> 
> Whenever my ex' Irish relatives used to visit, they were astounded that we
> from Toronto thought nothing of heading off by car to Montreal (which is
> where all Torontonians have to go to have fun) for the weekend.
> 
> "That's about the same distance as London to Glascow!", they'd say in
> astonishment.  Seems that's a big trip round about those parts...

You'd never GET there in a weekend!

keith whaley
> 
> cheers,
> frank

Re: Oh What a Night!

[Cotty]

On 19/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Shame on you Cotty,
>
>Describing Vimto as  carbonated fruit drink is a bit like calling Ansel
>Adams a holiday snapper.
>
>Anyway how can you know about Irn Bru from the Southern enclave of Oxford?
>Has civilisation reached that far down yet.

LOL. I am actually a character in 'The Archers' !





Did I tell you that I have a soft spot for Yorkshiremen?

It's a peat-bog near Fangdale Beck.







;-)


Cheers,
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Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexist

[Keith Whaley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hermann said:
> > I think the thing that bothers me most about the ad is that there is so
> > little useful info on the *ist-D, so the main emphasis of the ad is sex.
> 
> And, speaking for myself, I'd rather look at a great new camera than a scantily-
> clad woman --
> anytime.

Just shows all is right in the world, doesn't it...
You're not _supposed_ to find otherwise... All according to 'the plan.'

For the very same reason I absolutely don't visit Ferrari showrooms.   

keith whaley

Re: Photo manipulation software recommendations? (long)

[graywolf]

Not too hard to do in straight HTML. However, if you want best picture quality 
it is better to use a fixed sized image.

Sorry, the original post has not showed up on my machine.


The reason I want to do this is to embed the large thumbnails in HTML 
files and get two pictures across the width of most modern computer 
screens. 
--
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http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Photo manipulation software recommendations? (long)

[Anders Hultman]

John Dallman:

Thanks - but there's no scripting language for file conversion, as far as
I can see. I want to get the complicated thumbnail-sizing-after-cropping
/right/.
If you want to do scripted picture manipulation, my recommendation 
would be ImageMagick. A very versatile command line tool: 
www.imagemagick.com

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/

Re: Photo manipulation software recommendations? (long)

[John Dallman]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(John Mustarde) wrote:

> I'm coming to this thread late, but you might want to download a trial
> version of ImagENGine from http://www.insyse.com/  It does a lot of
> what you require, and quite well.  

Thanks - but there's no scripting language for file conversion, as far as 
I can see. I want to get the complicated thumbnail-sizing-after-cropping 
/right/. 

--- 
John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexist

["Mike Ignatiev"]

Now I feel sooo much better (although, in my case,
definitely the reverse is true)


I guess, the ideal ad would show a scantily clad girl
trying an *istD and a scantily clad guy holding a bunch
of FA* lenses (the big ones, to really get the message 
across) for her. For the precious moments indeed. 

Not sure where to stick some violence there, maybe making them wear khaki underwear 
and heavy boots...

mishka

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> And, speaking for myself, I'd rather look at a great 
> new camera than a scantily-clad woman -- anytime.

Re: Breaking News: Re: *ist-D ad claimed to be sexistic

[Frits Wüthrich]

As long as they don't show a nude *ist D I don't see what is a problem
with that.

On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 19:17, Ryan Charron wrote:
> News Alert!! 
>  
> The National Photo Enquirer is also reporting that
> several of the photographers who complained about the
> Pentax ad admitted to doing photo shoots for Playboy
> or other girly magazines. 
>  
> Keeping you posted,
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Compact Flash and Micro Drives

[alex wetmore]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Charles Wilson wrote:
> I notice I can get a 1 gb micro dive for around $550 Aus while a CF card
> costs the same for half the capacity.

In the US there really isn't much of a price difference between
Microdrives and solid state CF right now.  Maybe the same is true
in Australia if you look around some more?

1gb Microdrives are about $200 (the best deal that I've seen is
actually local to me, Kenmore Camera (http://www.kcamera.com) had 1gb
Microdrives packaged with 4 NiMH cells and a charger for $200).

Newegg has 1g SimpleTech solid state CF for $204:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=property&DEPA=1

Amazon has 1g Viking solid state CF for $169:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B83DY0/qid=1066578558/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-2660393-1957716

Both are after rebates have been applied.  These are both slower CF
devices, so the Microdrive would be faster, but if you aren't shooting
sports or other action photos that probably isn't an issue.  I'd rather
have more capacity than more speed.

alex

Re: We need a theme song!

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:05:35 -0400
 Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I propose:
"Bei mir ist d schoen"
Any other ideas?

Unfortunately I am unfamiliar with this song, or for any German spoken 
songs . However my proposal is "Turn to Stone" by ELO. 

Boris

Re: *ist D and BIG Glass

[Thomas Stach]

jmb schrieb:
> 
> John Francis wrote:  "the 1.7AF adapter with the A* 300 (and also the 200)"
> 
> John,
> 
> I just learned about the existence of the Pentax 1.7af adapter last
> night.  I also
> am interested to see how it performs with the M lenses and the *istD.  I
> gather
> from the name that it also functions as a 1.7 teleconverter.  How much of a
> light loss is there?

Simple math, take the 1,7x as the overall multiplicator:

50mm f/1.4 becomes 85mm f/2.38 - so it's about one and a half step
:-)
135mm f/2.8 becomes 230mm f/4.8 and so on...

Thomas

Re: We need a theme song!

[Thomas Stach]

Collin R Brendemuehl schrieb:
> 
> I propose:
> "Bei mir ist d schoen"
> 
> Any other ideas?

Killing Joke:
"(Living in the) Eighties"

;-)=)

Thomas

Re: We need a theme song!

[William Robb]

Mercedes Benz.
Janis Joplin.

Vs: We need a theme song!

[Raimo Korhonen]

Hi!
"Bei mir bist du schön" - I think you are beautiful.
All the best!
Raimo
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- Original Message - 
From: Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: We need a theme song!


> I propose:
> "Bei mir ist d schoen"
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 

RE: We need a theme song!

[Bob S]

Dream the Impossible Dream - Man of LaMancia
Bob S.
From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: We need a theme song!
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:10:29 -0400
> -Original Message-
> From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I propose:
> "Bei mir ist d schoen"
>
> Any other ideas?
"Stop Your Sobbing" - The Pretenders

tv

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Re: We need a theme song!

[Bob Blakely]

Get Over It - The Eagles...

Regards,
Bob...

"Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying
the object which is abused.  Men can go wrong with wine
and women.  Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?"
-Martin Luther
 
From: "Collin R Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> I propose:
> "Bei mir ist d schoen"
> 
> Any other ideas?

RE: We need a theme song!

[brooksdj]

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > I propose:
> > "Bei mir ist d schoen"
> > 
> > Any other ideas?
> 
> "Stop Your Sobbing" - The Pretenders
> 
> tv 
> 

  Its crying time again-Ray Charles:lol 

Re: New to the list

[brooksdj]

 Hi, Thrainn,
Welcome to the list. At times we can be very knowledgeable, and at 
minimal,entertaining,
at best

I too have just started with a used 6x7 and like it very much.I have been shooting 
E100vs
and some 
kodak neg film during the summer,but plan on doing B&w with it over the winter months.

Enjoy the emails.

Dave Brooks
> > From: Thrainn Vigfusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: New to the list
> > >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:00:59 +
> > >
> > >Hi there,
> > >
> > >My name is Thrainn Vigfusson, and I joined the list recently. I'm
> > > Icelandic and have been using Pentax cameras for 25 years or so. I
> > > started with an MX and M 50mm f1.7 lens, but have since then bought a
> > > MZ-5n and a MZ-S, along with a bunch of lenses, e.g. the FA 24-90mm, the
> > > F100mm f2.8 macro, the 17-28mm fisheye, and two Sigmas: The 70-200 f2.8
> > > Ex and the 400mm f5.6.
> > >
> > >I got a used 6x7 two months ago with a 105mm f2.4 lens that I'm learning
> > > to use.
> > >
> > >I mainly shoot landscape/nature photos with Velvia and Provia these days,
> > >but
> > >I plan to get back into black and white with the 6x7.
> > >
> > >Thrainn
> >
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