Re: Woo-hoo-DOH!

2004-01-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mark Cassino wrote:
> 
> I finally got my 15 minutes and likened myself to Homer Simpson (DOH!
> Slapping forehead..)
> 
> http://www.newhouse.com/archive/sefton010604.html
> 
> - MCC
> -
> 

Way to go!  MOre than 15 minutes worth, too... :)

nice article, lovely photo.

ann


> Mark Cassino Photography
> 
> Kalamazoo, MI
> 
> http://www.markcassino.com
> 
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Re: Vs: "Cloudy" filter

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks Raimo ... I know about yellow filter, but I'm just
starting to learn the subtleties of color photography.
I probably wouldn't have made the mistake you suggest.

shel

Raimo Korhonen wrote:

> Check first - for B&W cloudy could mean yellow - makes clouds stand out in B&W.



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
>>
>> 1. Set up some special copyright notice on every frame. You know, like 
>> "(C) Boris Liberman with Love to A and B..."

JF> Where?  Actually in the image pixels?  If not, then what happens if
JF> you import the image into some editor that drops this information?
JF> If actually in the pixels, do you move it to the correct edge when
JF> the camera is used in portrait mode?  Not to mention cropping ...

No, not in the image. Let it be configurable. Some would add frame,
others would put it in, how you called it, EXIF data...

>> 2. Set up prefix to each file name - "ABWed-2004-01-01" instead of 
>> "DCS" or whatever they're using right now."

JF> That's a standards violation, I believe.

Omnigosh . Did not know there were an std already involved. But then
I suppose it would be wrong to say that *istD (or any other such)
support FAT32. FAT32, you know, allows for long file names... 

But then you're probably right.

JF> I did like the suggestion that the original file name should be
JF> stored in the EXIF data.  I also like the way that the Canon (and,
JF> I believe, Nikon) software allow you to perform the sort of renaming
JF> you suggest as part of the copying from the CF card to the computer.

JF> Perhaps a little utility could be provided here that would:

JF>  1) Allow renaming as part of the copying

JF>  2) Add an EXIF tag with the original file name

JF>  3) [optional] create a database and/or log file entry listing
JF> selected EXIF information (user-configurable, of course).

JF> Any thoughts?

I am afraid  I could even program it myself given enough time and
money and tools ...

John, my point was not to give very specific suggestions, but to
illustrate that with the help of MAC (just for you, Cotty ) or PC
or PDA more things could be done with the camera.

I have a friend who's a professional photog using Nikon F5. He is
known as a man who sets up his camera (probably sitting at home with
F5 on the table and manual in his hands) before each of his shoots.
Then he takes great care to make sure noone clicks any buttons while
he is shooting, except him of course...

We, simple ME Super and ZX-L users, have no such burden .

Boris



Re: Woo-hoo-DOH!

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Mark ...

Congratulations ... feels nice, doesn't it ;-))


> MC> I finally got my 15 minutes and likened myself to Homer Simpson (DOH!
> MC> Slapping forehead..)
>
> MC> http://www.newhouse.com/archive/sefton010604.html



Re: Woo-hoo-DOH!

2004-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

MC> I finally got my 15 minutes and likened myself to Homer Simpson (DOH!
MC> Slapping forehead..)

MC> http://www.newhouse.com/archive/sefton010604.html

MC> - MCC
MC> -

Excellent news. Don't slap your forehead too hard, will you please
.

Boris



Re: Todays QuikSnap - Senior Center

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Paul ... thanks for the atta boy.  I really needed that ;-))




Re: Todays QuikSnap - Senior Center

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks for the kind words, Ann ... If I were the type, I'd be blushing



Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Shel, IMHO  - Great picture! --
> the best thing I've seen of yours in ages, if not
> ever. I love it.
>
> Rob -- ???
> The fence bar is fine - the whole thing works
> perfectly.



Re: "Cloudy" filter

2004-01-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Raimo Korhonen"
Subject: Vs: "Cloudy" filter


> Check first - for B&W cloudy could mean yellow - makes clouds stand out in
B&W.

In the context of this thread, a cloudy filter is between a skylight and an
81A filter.
Shel would know if there was a yellow filter in that slot.

William Robb



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread wendy beard
At 05:28 PM 10/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Unfortunately Pentax seem to have given up making close fitting ERCs. Too 
many combinations now I suppose.

Nick.
No they haven't. I have one for my MZ-S

Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com



Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
When I get my slides back and then scanned! I hate waiting...grrr...
Sorry to oust you out of your position. :o) 
Rebekah
"a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
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From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: Unsubscribe


> > Since I am 18, I guess I could call 
> > myself "young blood". 
> 
> Bah, guess I'm not the baby of the group anymore. :) (I'm 32).
> 
> So when are you going to show us some baby pix?
> 
> Amita
> 
> 



RE: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Amita Guha
> Since I am 18, I guess I could call 
> myself "young blood". 

Bah, guess I'm not the baby of the group anymore. :) (I'm 32).

So when are you going to show us some baby pix?

Amita



Re: Todays QuikSnap - Senior Center

2004-01-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> I wanted the horizontal fence bar in the photo ...
> it's part of the story I hope the photo tells.
> 
> PS conversion to B&W ... yes, but more than
> just desaturation.  When I saw the scene I knew
> it was a B&W pic ... it was completed in my head
> before I even had the camera up to my eye.
> 
> Rob Studdert wrote:
> 
> > Well spotted :-)
> >
> > What a pity that horizontal fence bar is so obvious.
> >
> > Did you de-saturate in PS?
> >

Shel, IMHO  - Great picture! --
the best thing I've seen of yours in ages, if not
ever. I love it.

Rob -- ???  
The fence bar is fine - the whole thing works
perfectly.

I'm glad I hopped on to the list tonight - but I'm
really skimming -
lots to do.

annsan



Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Just checked.  No "signs" theme.  Wonder what I was thinking about?

Oh well,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pizza Sign
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:37:52 -0500


 Isn't there a "signs" theme for PUG this year?  Have
to go check...
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Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Kevin Waterson wrote:
> 
> We all held our breath as Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/nypizza.html
> 
> Nice neon.
> Just out of curiosity, What is a New York City style pizza?
> 
> Kind regards
> Kevin
> 
> --

Oh you poor lad... 

New York Style pizza has a thin crust - is made in
large rounds and
often sold by the slice...  a plain on has tomato
paste and fresh mozzarella
but lots of add ons possible.  The very best has a
deliciously light crispy
dough.

Chicago style pizza, equally declious, but diff -
is also called
"deep dish" and you normally need a knife and fork
to eat it.

I love them both, but in each case, one has to
have the best of the type :)


annsan

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Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
And how did the place today measure up?  Was it good?

Cool pic, BTW.  Isn't there a "signs" theme for PUG this year?  Have to go 
check...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pizza Sign
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:21:55 -0800
Thin, crispy crust, not overly garnished with a lot of meat and veggies ...

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Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thin, crispy crust, not overly garnished with a lot of meat and veggies ...

shel

Kevin Waterson wrote:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/nypizza.html

>
> Nice neon.
> Just out of curiosity, What is a New York City style pizza?



Re: DIY Product table - results

2004-01-11 Thread ernreed2
Kevin posted:
> I recieved a number of responses to the building of a product table.
> I hastily knocked one up and here are the results. Please be aware 
> this url contains many images and is approximateley 1 Meg in size.
> 
> Any feedback greatfully accepted.
> 
> Kind regards
> Kevin
> 


I see no
URL.



Re: DIY Product table - results

2004-01-11 Thread Christian Skofteland
what url?

Christian Skofteland
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From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: DIY Product table - results


> I recieved a number of responses to the building of a product table.
> I hastily knocked one up and here are the results. Please be aware 
> this url contains many images and is approximateley 1 Meg in size.
> 
> Any feedback greatfully accepted.
> 
> Kind regards
> Kevin
> 
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Re: DIY Product table - results

2004-01-11 Thread Kevin Waterson

And of course the url is...
http://www.oceania.net/light_table/



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Re: Pizza Sign

2004-01-11 Thread Kevin Waterson
We all held our breath as Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/nypizza.html

Nice neon.
Just out of curiosity, What is a New York City style pizza?

Kind regards
Kevin

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Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Rfsindg
Bob,

Our history here in the US is recent, at least with respect to European 
settlements.  We haven't saved the log cabins as improvement and progress has 
eradicated them.  I only mention the Lincoln's homestead because it was something 
that somebody thought to preserve and it hadn't been 'improved' before he 
became a national hero.  If you know anything about his origins, you'll recognize 
that it is nothing special.  It's simply an example of how poor people lived in 
rural Illinois in the early 1800s.

More interesting are the archeological digs outside St. Louis in southern 
Illinois.  They document a gathering society living along the Mississippi River, 
raising crops, trading, and building religious mounds in a city of 30,000 at 
about 1000AD.  Of course, all we have to show for it is post holes and bone 
shards!

Regards,  Bob S

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's not just about the history of great men, like Lincoln. Probably even
more important is what you learn about ordinary people and societies. I'm
sure archaeologists and public alike would love to have more information about
the early settlers, to be able to stand on the same floors where they stood,
to see the things they used and built, even when it is only a grubby little
post hole and some discoloured dirt. It doesn't have to be a whole log cabin
in perfect shape.



DIY Product table - results

2004-01-11 Thread Kevin Waterson
I recieved a number of responses to the building of a product table.
I hastily knocked one up and here are the results. Please be aware 
this url contains many images and is approximateley 1 Meg in size.

Any feedback greatfully accepted.

Kind regards
Kevin

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 _) )            
|  /  / _  ) / _  | / ___) / _  )
| |  ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / 
|_|   \) \_||_| \) \)
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Port Macquarie, Australia



Pizza Sign

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I stopped into a NYC style pizza place for a lunch
time slice, and found that they'd installed this sign:

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/nypizza.html

Thought I'd share it with you ...




RE: Rain Picture

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Rob,

I wasn't talking about the look on her face, which is indeed as you 
described it.  I saw "a look" quite independant of her facial expression.  
Maybe it's the wrinkles;  maybe they just make her look old, and that makes 
me think she's perhaps had a hard life, and many experiences that would be 
completely foreign to me.

Like I said, just a feeling...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If it were me I'd be confused by the fact that someone was poking a camera 
in
my direction, I guess I'd be sporting a similar expression.

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Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Sorry Robert, didn't mean to insult ya guys. However, if you had been
following the discussions lately, it seems someone estimated that the
average age of people participating in this discussion is 45.  Since I am
18, I guess I could call myself "young blood".  Pentax is great, too bad not
so many people know about it.  :o)
Rebekah
"a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."

- Original Message -
From: "Robert Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe


> Welcome to the list Rebekah.  I may be wrong, but I don't think there's
>   a whole lot of "young blood" in this list.  Occasionally, you might
> feel like "fresh blood" in the midst of sharks, but its usually not mean
> spirited.  Folks here are pretty passionate about Photography in general
> and Pentax in particular.  I'm glad to see the next generation taking up
>   the torch.
>
> Rebekah Gonzalez wrote:
> > Ok thanks Paul. Actually I just subscribed to the digest instead, and I
> > could share my overpowering opinion with anyone, so I was just trying to
get
> > into the discussion. Seems I've upset everyone already. I have no plans
for
> > leaving though. I think you guys need some "young blood" on the list
here.
> > :o)
> > Rebekah
> >
> >
>
>
>



Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Robert Gonzalez
Welcome to the list Rebekah.  I may be wrong, but I don't think there's 
 a whole lot of "young blood" in this list.  Occasionally, you might 
feel like "fresh blood" in the midst of sharks, but its usually not mean 
spirited.  Folks here are pretty passionate about Photography in general 
and Pentax in particular.  I'm glad to see the next generation taking up 
 the torch.

Rebekah Gonzalez wrote:
Ok thanks Paul. Actually I just subscribed to the digest instead, and I
could share my overpowering opinion with anyone, so I was just trying to get
into the discussion. Seems I've upset everyone already. I have no plans for
leaving though. I think you guys need some "young blood" on the list here.
:o)
Rebekah





Re: Todays QuikSnap - Senior Center

2004-01-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot. The chain link fence makes it for me.
On Jan 11, 2004, at 8:06 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Earlier this afternoon I was out looking for photos when
I drove past the Berkeley Senior Center.  They had this
plywood cutout in the yard, and the moment I saw it I
knew that this was worth a QuikSnap.
http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/senior.html

225K JPEG

Comments welcome ...

shel




Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Bob W
Hi,

> Gotta be practical here.  How many of the original buildings, pre-roman era
> of wooden construction are standing in London? ...Or anywhere in Britain?  We 
> don't have the original log cabins that were built in out cities either.

We do still have a surprising number of pre-Roman wooden things
knocking around and resurfacing from time to time, and they all
get preserved immediately, as a matter of urgency. In recent years
things like Woodhenge have appeared during a low tide; we've found
Celtic wooden causeways in marshland, bits of old bridges in the
river; grass, leather, bone. All sorts of stuff. You'd be surprised.

Far more often all we have left, like you, is post holes, patches
of discoloured earth and a few tiles. When we find those we put the
movable bits in museums and either rebury the rest for later, or find
some way other of preserving it in-situ. In central London all building
work has to have the archaeologists in first so the builders don't destroy
stuff. If valuable relics are found then the building plans can be
changed to enforce the preservation. Many modern buildings in the City
have basements open to the public where you can go and look at the
finds in situ.

It's not just about the history of great men, like Lincoln. Probably even
more important is what you learn about ordinary people and societies. I'm
sure archaeologists and public alike would love to have more information about
the early settlers, to be able to stand on the same floors where they stood,
to see the things they used and built, even when it is only a grubby little
post hole and some discoloured dirt. It doesn't have to be a whole log cabin
in perfect shape.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Pat White
Here in Victoria, we have quite a few older buildings, but only from about a
hundred years ago, because prior to that, the city was a wooden fort.  What
may keep the historic buildings standing is all the tourism.

As Glenn wrote, Canada and the US are pretty young countries, but that's no
reason to discard what remains of the past, relatively recent though it may
be.

Pat White




Re: Woo-hoo-DOH!

2004-01-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
Congratulations Homer, er I mean Mark. Seriously your snowflake photos 
have always blown me away. (As have  your birds and insects.) Keep up 
the good work.
Paul
On Jan 11, 2004, at 5:27 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:

I finally got my 15 minutes and likened myself to Homer Simpson 
(DOH! Slapping forehead..)

http://www.newhouse.com/archive/sefton010604.html

- MCC
-
Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-





Re: Todays QuikSnap - Senior Center

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I wanted the horizontal fence bar in the photo ...
it's part of the story I hope the photo tells.

PS conversion to B&W ... yes, but more than
just desaturation.  When I saw the scene I knew
it was a B&W pic ... it was completed in my head
before I even had the camera up to my eye.

Rob Studdert wrote:

> Well spotted :-)
>
> What a pity that horizontal fence bar is so obvious.
>
> Did you de-saturate in PS?
>



Re: *ist D image noise examples

2004-01-11 Thread Herb Chong
you have to buy the Pro + version to get it as a plugin.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: *ist D image noise examples


> Hi Paul
> I have downloaded the software at: http://www.neatimage.com/download.html
> It seems it's not a plugin but a seperate program.
> Looking forward to using it.




Re: "Cloudy" filter

2004-01-11 Thread Herb Chong
the warm film has that type of effect, but whether it is more or less than
what the filter does is up to you.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: "Cloudy" filter


> OK, thanks ... so here's the next question: instead of running out to buy
a
> few cloudy day filters, could similar results be gotten by using a "warm"
> film, like Ektachrome GX instead of G.




Re: Todays QuikSnap - Senior Center

2004-01-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Jan 2004 at 17:06, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Earlier this afternoon I was out looking for photos when
> I drove past the Berkeley Senior Center.  They had this
> plywood cutout in the yard, and the moment I saw it I
> knew that this was worth a QuikSnap.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/senior.html
> 
> 225K JPEG
> 
> Comments welcome ...

Well spotted :-)

What a pity that horizontal fence bar is so obvious.

Did you de-saturate in PS?

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Todays QuikSnap - Senior Center

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Earlier this afternoon I was out looking for photos when
I drove past the Berkeley Senior Center.  They had this
plywood cutout in the yard, and the moment I saw it I
knew that this was worth a QuikSnap.

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/senior.html

225K JPEG

Comments welcome ...

shel



Re: DSLR future wish-list

2004-01-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Jan 2004 at 18:26, John Francis wrote:

> Where?  Actually in the image pixels?  If not, then what happens if
> you import the image into some editor that drops this information?
> If actually in the pixels, do you move it to the correct edge when
> the camera is used in portrait mode?  Not to mention cropping ...

Copyright data could be embedded in the EXIF data (or most preferably 
IPTC/NAA). The point is that if you put it there and someone uses or edits your 
image and strips the data then you can always refer to the original document if 
copyright is being disputed.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Actually, I think the term "alphabet soup" originated in the Great
Depression in America, when a lot of government programs were initiated to
help people out . Since almost all of them went by an acronym, the common
people started calling the government alphabet soup. At least that's what I
heard; I'm kind of a history nut. I think that it's interesting, sorry if
you don't!
Rebekah
"a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."

- Original Message -
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?


> How many telegraph operators have you met in the computer room? Yes they
used
> alphabet soup, but it was a different mix. 73
>
> Jostein wrote:
> > Why we hang on to the acronyms.
> > Laziness I suppose...:-)
> >
> > Interesting thoughts about Unix. :-)
> > I thought the "alphabet soup" had it's origin from morse and ham radio.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jostein
> >
> > -
> > Pictures at: http://oksne.net
> > -
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
> >
> >
> >
> >>Common usage has evolved away from your dictionary definition.
> >>
> >>By the way (BTW), anyone ever wonder why all these alphabet soup intials
> >
> > on the
> >
> >>internet? Well, the old time Unix hackers couldn't tough type so
spelling
> >
> > out
> >
> >>words was a pain. Bandwidth was very limited, anyone remember 110baud?
> >
> > And,
> >
> >>mostly, making things criptic to outsiders seemed cute to those,mostly,
> >
> > college
> >
> >>kids. So, that leaves the question, why do we do it?
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>frank theriault wrote:
> >>
> >>>Dear Curmudgeon,
> >>>
> >>>Of course I could have googled it.  I know that!
> >>>
> >>>But it's ever so much more fun asking on-list, don't you think? 
> >>>
> >>>BTW (and this isn't directed at you, Tom, just at "TLA's" in general),
> >>>ERC, TLA, BTW and all those other alleged TLA's aren't acronyms.
> >>>They're initialisms.  A true acronym spells another (usually unrelated)
> >>>word.  So PUG, for instance, is an acronym.
> >>>
> >>>Now, I have a feeling that someone's going to tell me I'm wrong.  But
> >>>I'm not.
> >>>
> >>>cheers,
> >>>frank
> >>>
> >>>"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> >>>pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:53:01 -0500
> 
> Three Letter Acronym!
> 
> Suggested google search: "internet acronym".
> Time to find: "less than to write post defining ignorance".
> Mode: "curmudgeonly".
> :)
> 
> --
> 
> >>>
> >>>_
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> >>>
> >>
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> >>http://graywolfphoto.com
> >>
> >>"You might as well accept people as they are,
> >>you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com
>
> "You might as well accept people as they are,
> you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
>
>
>



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Rfsindg
Bob,

Gotta be practical here.  How many of the original buildings, pre-roman era 
of wooden construction are standing in London? ...Or anywhere in Britain?  We 
don't have the original log cabins that were built in out cities either.

Abraham Lincoln's family's homestead is still preserved in rural Illinois, 
log cabins and all.  But this is a special case as he was famous in time to save 
the homestead.

Regards,  Bob S. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] quotes & writes:
> Folks here were clearing land for subsistence farming.  Construction was 
> primitive.  There is very little worth saving.

I would think that's exactly the kind of thing that *is* worth saving.

That kind of primitive construction is exactly the equivalent of the
post holes and similar relics being excavated at L'Anse aux Meadows.
The difference is that those Viking settlers (if they were settlers) are
just a curious footnote in history and had no lasting impact on
aboriginal American culture or on European culture.

Given the impact Vikings had in other areas they settled - modern Russia,
Ireland and Britain for example - they could have become well established
in North America. In that case you would, presumably, have described
sites like L'Anse aux Meadows as primitive and hardly worth saving.



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread graywolf
How many telegraph operators have you met in the computer room? Yes they used 
alphabet soup, but it was a different mix. 73

Jostein wrote:
Why we hang on to the acronyms.
Laziness I suppose...:-)
Interesting thoughts about Unix. :-)
I thought the "alphabet soup" had it's origin from morse and ham radio.
Cheers,
Jostein
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Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?



Common usage has evolved away from your dictionary definition.

By the way (BTW), anyone ever wonder why all these alphabet soup intials
on the

internet? Well, the old time Unix hackers couldn't tough type so spelling
out

words was a pain. Bandwidth was very limited, anyone remember 110baud?
And,

mostly, making things criptic to outsiders seemed cute to those,mostly,
college

kids. So, that leaves the question, why do we do it?

--

frank theriault wrote:

Dear Curmudgeon,

Of course I could have googled it.  I know that!

But it's ever so much more fun asking on-list, don't you think? 

BTW (and this isn't directed at you, Tom, just at "TLA's" in general),
ERC, TLA, BTW and all those other alleged TLA's aren't acronyms.
They're initialisms.  A true acronym spells another (usually unrelated)
word.  So PUG, for instance, is an acronym.
Now, I have a feeling that someone's going to tell me I'm wrong.  But
I'm not.
cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:53:01 -0500
Three Letter Acronym!

Suggested google search: "internet acronym".
Time to find: "less than to write post defining ignorance".
Mode: "curmudgeonly".
:)
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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Hal & Sandra Davis
Thanks for the information. We are new to the list and trying to learn more
about our favorite Pentax stuff. Have several hundred bodies, lenses,
flashes, and accessories collected over past 40 years, and just 2-3 years of
looking back.
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Ewins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: Is there an analog only Pentax list?


> There are, however, two versions of the K50/1.2 and on the later version
> the lens information on the front ring has been been changed to match
> the style of the M lenses. The old one had "SMC PENTAX 1:1.2/50" while
> the newer one has "smc PENTAX 1:1.2 50mm" in a different typeface. So it
> looks like an M lens but it is just the old K lens in drag.
>
> Paul Ewins
> Melbourne, Australia
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hal & Sandra Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks for the correction. My 50/1.2 is K.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > There is no M 50mm f/1.2.
> > There is a K version, which is highly regarded, and an A version,
> which is
> > quite nice.
>
>
>
>



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Bob W
Hi,

> Folks here were clearing land for
> subsistence farming.  Construction was primitive.  There is very little worth 
> saving.

I would think that's exactly the kind of thing that *is* worth saving.

That kind of primitive construction is exactly the equivalent of the
post holes and similar relics being excavated at L'Anse aux Meadows.
The difference is that those Viking settlers (if they were settlers) are
just a curious footnote in history and had no lasting impact on
aboriginal American culture or on European culture.

Given the impact Vikings had in other areas they settled - modern Russia,
Ireland and Britain for example - they could have become well established
in North America. In that case you would, presumably, have described
sites like L'Anse aux Meadows as primitive and hardly worth saving.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Nick Clark
A pub I frequent is the King and Tinker in Enfield which dates from around 1050 and is 
still in use. Quite picturesque - I'll try to post a picture sometime.

Nick.



Re: Woo-hoo-DOH!

2004-01-11 Thread Ryan Lee
That's excellent Mark... congrats! I specifically like the term "fellow
snowflake artists" :-)

Regards,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Woo-hoo-DOH!


> I finally got my 15 minutes and likened myself to Homer Simpson (DOH!
> Slapping forehead..)
>
> http://www.newhouse.com/archive/sefton010604.html
>
>
> - MCC
> -
>
> Mark Cassino Photography
>
> Kalamazoo, MI
>
> http://www.markcassino.com
>
> -
>
>
>




Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:22:55 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> No, it's not an abbreviation.  An abbreviation is when a word is
> used with one or more letters missing from it, such as bkfst for
> breakfast.

Not according to AH3:

abúbreúviúaútion P   Pronunciation Key  (-brv-shn)
n. 
1. The act or product of shortening.

2. A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to
represent the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC
for United States Marine Corps.

3. Mus. Any of various symbols used in notation to indicate that a
series of notes is to be repeated.

dictionary.com omits the last one.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: Hi there

2004-01-11 Thread Nick Clark



Re: Triumphs

2004-01-11 Thread Butch Black
 People discovered BMW Boxer m/bikes that handled well and didn't leak oil.
> C R K

My R80/7 had a most wonderful speed wobble.

I thought they had that fixed by the /7's. I remember the first time I hit
95 mph on my R60/5 I started wobbling fairly violently side to side. I
slowed down immediately. I later found out they were noted for the high
speed wobble due to the wheelbase being too short and too steep of a neck
rake.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Rfsindg
Pat,

I understand about the "Three Horseshoes" pub, but 560 years is still older 
than anything we have here in North America.  I live in the so called 'midwest' 
near Chicago, 1000 miles from the cities on the Atlantic coast (and 2000 
miles from the Pacific coast).  Isn't it 1000 miles from Moscow to London?  

Point is, in 1831 we had Indian wars when Chief Blackhawk lead an uprising in 
Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was a Captain in the militia during the war.  We 
were the frontier here only 200 years ago.  Folks here were clearing land for 
subsistence farming.  Construction was primitive.  There is very little worth 
saving.

And then Chicago had a fire in the 1871.  In many ways, this was similar to 
London's great fire of 1666, but 200 years later.  

Regards,  Bob S.

>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not completely innumerate.  The 560-year figure referred to the "Three 
Horseshoes" pub that Malcolm Smith mentioned.  I agree that not every old 
building ought to be preserved.  However, while growing up in Quebec City, it was a 
pleasure to see and go into the many buildings dating from the 1700s and 1800s 
that are still in daily use.



Re: Re[2]: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip?

2004-01-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Jan 2004 at 10:20, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> I wouldn't be surprised to see 67 have a stronger presence than 645 a
> few years down the road.
> 
> This is not just a Pentax issue.  I predict that 67 and larger will do
> better than 645/66 in the film arena.  The 645 that survives will be
> digital with better resolution than full frame 35mm.

Hey, you've stolen my prediction :-)

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: *ist D image noise examples

2004-01-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Jan 2004 at 9:19, Christian Skofteland wrote:

> Was noise reduction turned on?

Yes I have NR "turned-on" however it's of little consequence in this particular 
test as it is designed to eliminate sensor noise errors that appear during long 
exposures. It isn't designed to filter regular sensor noise as can be found at 
high ISOs during short exposures.

> As has been commented in various tests by websites and magazines, the ist-D
> seems very usable at ISO 800.

It's still pretty usable at 1600 is you ask me, the areas that are well 
illuminated show very little noise for the size of the image and shadow noise 
could be pretty easily masked in post processing. Colour shift is negligible 
too.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: *ist D image noise examples

2004-01-11 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Paul
I have downloaded the software at: http://www.neatimage.com/download.html
It seems it's not a plugin but a seperate program.
Looking forward to using it.
Regards
Jens

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 11. januar 2004 21:51
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: *ist D image noise examples


Hi Jens,

Here is a comparison of the noise levels on my 10d.

http://www.nrg666.com/10d/noise/

I put one up filtered with Neat Image, the results are a bit rough
though and could be refined more.

Regards,
Paul

Jens Bladt wrote:
> Hi Rob
> Isn't this noise problem regarded one of the *ist draw backs compared to
the
> competition? High noise levels at high ISO values?
> It would be nice to se a similar test done with Canon 10D and Nikon D100.
> All the best
> Jens
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 11. januar 2004 08:19
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: *ist D image noise examples
>
>
> For those listers who might be teetering over the purchase of a *ist D
I've
> just put up a page that illustrates the image noise generated by a Pentax
> *ist
> D at each available EI given a wide contrast scene. It's about 850kB.
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_ist_D_noise/
>
> Comments welcomed as always.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
>
>



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Oooo, good one, Anders!  

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Anders Hultman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Ok, so TLA isn't really a three letter acronym, then.
But it is a three letter abbreviation.
So, there :-)
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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Anders Hultman
frank theriault:

 ERC, TLA, BTW and all those other alleged TLA's aren't acronyms.
 They're initialisms.  A true acronym spells another (usually
 unrelated) word.  So PUG, for instance, is an acronym.
Ok, so TLA isn't really a three letter acronym, then.
But it is a three letter abbreviation.
So, there :-)
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RE: *ist D image noise examples

2004-01-11 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi Paul
This is very impressive. I will try to get this plugin (for Photoshop,
right) as soon as possible.
Thanks a lot.
Jens


Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 11. januar 2004 21:51
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: *ist D image noise examples


Hi Jens,

Here is a comparison of the noise levels on my 10d.

http://www.nrg666.com/10d/noise/

I put one up filtered with Neat Image, the results are a bit rough
though and could be refined more.

Regards,
Paul

Jens Bladt wrote:
> Hi Rob
> Isn't this noise problem regarded one of the *ist draw backs compared to
the
> competition? High noise levels at high ISO values?
> It would be nice to se a similar test done with Canon 10D and Nikon D100.
> All the best
> Jens
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 11. januar 2004 08:19
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: *ist D image noise examples
>
>
> For those listers who might be teetering over the purchase of a *ist D
I've
> just put up a page that illustrates the image noise generated by a Pentax
> *ist
> D at each available EI given a wide contrast scene. It's about 850kB.
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_ist_D_noise/
>
> Comments welcomed as always.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
>
>



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Anders Hultman
frank theriault:

Three Letter Acronym!
Which would mean that "TLA" is actually a TLA.  How ironic!  
However, ETLA (extended three letter acronym) is not a TLA :-)

anders
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http://anders.hultman.nu/


Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Dear Curmudgeon,

Of course I could have googled it.  I know that!

But it's ever so much more fun asking on-list, don't you think? 

BTW (and this isn't directed at you, Tom, just at "TLA's" in general), ERC, 
TLA, BTW and all those other alleged TLA's aren't acronyms.  They're 
initialisms.  A true acronym spells another (usually unrelated) word.  So 
PUG, for instance, is an acronym.

Now, I have a feeling that someone's going to tell me I'm wrong.  But I'm 
not.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:53:01 -0500
Three Letter Acronym!

Suggested google search: "internet acronym".
Time to find: "less than to write post defining ignorance".
Mode: "curmudgeonly".
:)
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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
What?

And filter out The Voice of Reason?  Perish the thought!!

:-)

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Just filter me out, Frank. "Where FROM: includes 'knarf', delete". That is 
why I never saw your post below . 

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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Which would mean that "TLA" is actually a TLA.  How ironic!  

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




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Re: *ist D image noise examples

2004-01-11 Thread Paul
Hi Jens,

Here is a comparison of the noise levels on my 10d.

http://www.nrg666.com/10d/noise/

I put one up filtered with Neat Image, the results are a bit rough 
though and could be refined more.

Regards,
Paul
Jens Bladt wrote:
Hi Rob
Isn't this noise problem regarded one of the *ist draw backs compared to the
competition? High noise levels at high ISO values?
It would be nice to se a similar test done with Canon 10D and Nikon D100.
All the best
Jens
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 11. januar 2004 08:19
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: *ist D image noise examples
For those listers who might be teetering over the purchase of a *ist D I've
just put up a page that illustrates the image noise generated by a Pentax
*ist
D at each available EI given a wide contrast scene. It's about 850kB.
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_ist_D_noise/

Comments welcomed as always.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998




RE: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Malcolm Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hmm.  That brings up another point -- not all buildings that 
> ought to have been preserved are lost to "progress".  
> Especially in the US, an awful lot of historical buildings 
> were made of wood, less durable than stone.  It's still 
> tragic to lose history, even when we can't blame greed for it.

Indeed, and bringing this back to photography, at least we can do our best
to record their existence this way.

Malcolm




RE: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Malcolm Smith
William Robb wrote:

> We have a lot of excess land here that can be used as parking 
> lots that you
> in the UK just don't have.

True.

> Not that we should be turning excess land into parking lots, mind you.

Well said.

Malcolm




Re[4]: Hi there

2004-01-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
These are fairly specific films for different purposes.
Fuji Reala 100 represents the most general purpose film.  Very low
grain, good saturation and not too high of contrast.
Agfa Ultra 100 - High contrast, high saturation - for when the light
is low contrast and you still want strong colors.
Konica Impressa 50 - good saturation, low contrast, very fine grained.
A good companion film to the Agfa Ultra 100.  Best use is when the
light is medium to high contrast.
Agfa Optima II 100 - Good saturation, medium contrast, does
particulary well with reds/browns - film of choice for the red rock
country of southern Utah (Bryce, Zions, Canyonlands, etc)
Fuji NPS, NPH, NPZ - great people/portrait films.  Accurate skin tones
and lower contrast to handle extremes in clothing (white dress/black
tux)
Ilford Delta 3200 - great for low light.  My lab does a pretty good
job with this one.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Sunday, January 11, 2004, 11:25:39 AM, you wrote:

RG> Cool, that sure is a lot of different kinds.
RG> So, are these just what you will buy according to what's on hand, or do you
RG> have a specific purpose for each of these, for instance, fuji for landscape
RG> photos because of its blue and green saturation, stuff like that?
RG> Rebekah
RG> "a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."


RG> - Original Message -
RG> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RG> To: "Rebekah Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RG> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:26 AM
RG> Subject: Re[2]: Hi there


>> Hello Rebekah,
>>
>> Looking forward to it.  As to films that I like, well, Agfa Ultra 100,
>> Agfa Optima II 100, Fuji Reala 100, Konica Impressa 50, Fuji NPS 160,
>> Fuji NPH 400, Fuji NPZ 800, Ilford Delta 3200 B&W...
>>
>> How's that for starters?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> Saturday, January 10, 2004, 6:33:13 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> RG> My dad gave me a pentax P30 t. It's great, and as soon as I get my
RG> pictures
>> RG> back, I plan to scan them and overwhelm you guys with endless pictures
RG> of my
>> RG> son!
>> RG> What's your favorite type of film?
>> RG> Rebekah
>> RG> "a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
>>
>> RG> - Original Message -
>> RG> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> RG> To: "Rebekah Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> RG> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:15 PM
>> RG> Subject: Re: Hi there
>>
>>
>> >> Hello Rebekah,
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to the PDML.  So what did your dad pass on to you?  Hope to
>> >> see you submit to the PUG gallery.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bruce
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Saturday, January 10, 2004, 5:44:11 PM, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> RG> Hi, my name is Rebekah, I recently received my Dad's "old" Pentax,
>> RG> though it
>> >> RG> is in great condition. He just got the digital. I like your
>> RG> discussions,
>> >> RG> sounds like fun, so maybe you guys could give me your opinion on
>> RG> Kodak's
>> >> RG> Elite Chrome, does it compare to Koda Chrome?
>> >> RG> Rebekah
>> >>
>> >> RG> "A day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>





Vs: "Cloudy" filter

2004-01-11 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Check first - for B&W cloudy could mean yellow - makes clouds stand out in B&W.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

-Alkuperäinen viesti-
Lähettäjä: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Päivä: 11. tammikuuta 2004 19:11
Aihe: Re: "Cloudy" filter


>OK, thanks ... so here's the next question: instead of running out to buy a
>few cloudy day filters, could similar results be gotten by using a "warm"
>film, like Ektachrome GX instead of G.
>
>"Bill D. Casselberry" wrote:
>
>> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>> >
>> > The K18/3.5 has a few built-in filters, as i imagine a few other lenses
>> > have as well.  One is a "cloudy" filter.  OK, I'm ignorant: what does a
>> > cloudy filter do?
>>
>> probably a warming filter, like a skylight 1B
>> or an 81 series
>>
>>
>




Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pat White wrote:
> Classic buildings, though, shouldn't be as disposable as that.  Destroying
> old buildings is like destroying local history.  

I agree in general, but not as a hard-and-fast rule.  It's a shame
to see history destroyed.  At the same time, I don't think we need
to preserve every single shack and shop for eternity.  But I do
wince each time one of these classic Baltimore rowhouses is torn
down because fire or simple deterioration from lack of maintenance
has made it too hazardous to leave standing.

Hmm.  That brings up another point -- not all buildings that ought
to have been preserved are lost to "progress".  Especially in the
US, an awful lot of historical buildings were made of wood, less
durable than stone.  It's still tragic to lose history, even when
we can't blame greed for it.

> Maybe that's why many North
> Americans have little sense of history.  The older buildings are continually
> being replaced, so history is something you see in a book, not something you
> walk by on the way to work, or a place where you meet your friends.  

I think a large part of it is that we're just such a young nation.
As countries go, we're sort of adolescent.  But thinking about it,
where we do have historic buildings they're usually museums or 
offices of local government, not places people hang out.  The 
exceptions that come to mind are all shools.  Unless you count 
simple homes that happen to be "old" (for some value of "old");
in high school I had friends who kept having to chase tourists
out of their living rooms because folks would wander into the
"charmingly preserved historical building" assuming it had to 
be a museum or similar attraction.

> I'd be
> surprised if there are _any_ buildings in North America as old as 560 years
> that were built by the Europeans and their descendants.  

If there are, the place to look would be St. Mary's, Maryland.
IIRC, that's the oldest continuously inhabited European-established
settlement on the continent.  But I'm not sure whether any of the
original buildings were preserved.

Anyplace else you'd want to look, "560 years" is kind of pointless.

> (The ancient
> pueblos and Mayan ruins aren't in cities, in daily use, like old buildings
> in Europe are.)

*nod*  Which makes their age kind of ... abstract, in a way.
They're these preserved artifacts, as opposed to being a 
_connection_ to a distant past.

All of this really just serves as explanation for the classic
joke about the difference between Americans and Europeans.

(One things a hundred miles is a long distance.  The other 
thinks a hundred years is a long time.  I first heard it from
someone whose family had an apartment in a building a few
hundred years old in Vienna, who pointed out that in that
city, that building wasn't considered "old".)

-- Glenn



Flare

2004-01-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the cameras recently given to me by a friend is a Konica FT-1,
in which I've never seen the viewfinder LEDs act as described in the
manual, so I figured I'd better shoot a test roll to see whether the
auto exposure (shutter priority) is actually doing anything halfway
sane despite the odd display.  Since today in Baltimore is a bitterbright
morning (significantly below freezing, clear, sunny, bright) and I'm
up early enough to catch the smokestack from the recycling plant 
partially backlit, I was shooting not quite into the sun but definitely
eastward.

If there's anything to make one really notice the difference between
different brands of lenses ...

I had flare that just looked flarey, I had flare that showed colour
banding, and when I tried to get a picture of Perrine in front of
the window, I got uniform flare across the entire frame that made
the *viewfinder* look like underexposed Fuji Super HQ 1600 -- the old 
version.

(To be fair, these were third-party, not Konica, lenses.  Not even
familiar brands.)

Makes me apreciate Pentax (and even other name-brand) lens coatings.

Now I'm trying to decide whether I have enough energy and enthusiasm
to go out in that freezing bright morning and stomp around the Inner
Harbor with the K1000 before breakfast.  I dunno ... I got tired of
my fingers being cold in the recording studio yesterday.

-- Glenn



Re: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bob W pointed out:
> > I'd be
> > surprised if there are _any_ buildings in North America as old as 560 years
> > that were built by the Europeans and their descendants.
>
> 2004 - 560 = 1444, so it would certainly upset a few ideas.

Bah.  Not awake enough to do math properly.  When I wrote my own
reply, I somehow used 460 instead of 460, and remembered that
St. Mary's was settled in the 1500s but couldn't remember how
late in the 1500s.  Yeah, 1400s just doesn't happen, unless 
there's an intact Viking structure at L'Anse aux Meadows, but
I'm pretty sure what folks found there was evidence much smaller 
than a building.

-- Glenn



RE: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Amita Guha
> The National Trust is a charitable organisation who rely on 
> property being 'given' to them, generally of outstanding 
> national historic interest, most of which come with a 
> substantial amount of land, which they can open to visitors 
> to help offset the maintenance costs. I can't think of any 
> organisation that would take it on other than as a gift, with 
> someone else paying all the re-location costs.

Ah. What a shame.
  
> > > Numbers of pubs have also reduced dramatically in London as
> > a whole,
> > > many are now fast food outlets.
> > 
> > No! Stick a knife in my heart, why don't you? :P
> 
> No, Amita, not all of them.some of them have been 
> re-developed for housing.that's not really helped, has it ? .

I guess that's not so bad. It's just that the thought of all those
charming old pubs being converted to McDonald's made me gag. ;)



Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Mark Roberts
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>From: "Rebekah Gonzalez"
>
>> No! No digital songs! I don't think digital compares with film, yet
>> anyways.
>> Of course, for Kodachrome, there's always Ebay.
>
>Until they discontinue it anyway.
>Expect that to happen within the next couple of years.

Two years? Sounds about right.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Rebekah Gonzalez"
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe


> Dude, cheer up. :o)

Ya Doug, stop being such a sour puss. I mean just because it's your list and
all,
WW



Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Rebekah Gonzalez"
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe


> No! No digital songs! I don't think digital compares with film, yet
anyways.
> Of course, for Kodachrome, there's always Ebay.

Until they discontinue it anyway.
Expect that to happen within the next couple of years.

William Robb



Re: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm Smith"
Subject: RE: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.



>
>
 I would like to see parking areas reduced, thus
> destroying less land, but for the point you make above, it's never going
to
> happen.
>

We have a lot of excess land here that can be used as parking lots that you
in the UK just don't have.
Not that we should be turning excess land into parking lots, mind you.

William Robb



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Hal & Sandra Davis"
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?


> If you are looking for A1 prime lenses, suggest starting with 50mm f1:1.2
M
> or A. Price was always a deterent for me, bought an LX outfit on eBay, and
> was surprised to see the lens in the bag when the kit arrived(a bonus). It
> certainly is worth the price.

There is no M 50mm f/1.2.
There is a K version, which is highly regarded, and an A version, which is
quite nice.

William Robb



Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Dude, cheer up. :o)

Rebekah
"A day without sunshine is like, you know, night."

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe


> Yeah, insulting everyone is always a good way to start off.
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 10, 2004, at 09:13  PM, Rebekah Gonzalez wrote:
> 
> > Ok thanks Paul. Actually I just subscribed to the digest instead, and I
> > could share my overpowering opinion with anyone, so I was just trying 
> > to get
> > into the discussion. Seems I've upset everyone already. I have no 
> > plans for
> > leaving though. I think you guys need some "young blood" on the list 
> > here.
> > :o)
> > Rebekah
> >
> 
> 



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Hal & Sandra Davis
If you are looking for A1 prime lenses, suggest starting with 50mm f1:1.2 M
or A. Price was always a deterent for me, bought an LX outfit on eBay, and
was surprised to see the lens in the bag when the kit arrived(a bonus). It
certainly is worth the price.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?


> I use an MX's and LX's, and a range of K-mount lenses from 18.mm to
> 200mm.
> Which 50/1.4 do you have?
>
> I'm not crazy about the K35/2.0 ... oh, it's a fine optic when stopped
> down a bit, and i even like it wide open, but it's a little large for my
> taste.  Much prefer the smaller size of the K35/3.5.  If you can find
> one, the K30/2.8 is a great compromise between size and weight and
> aperture, and, IMO, a better lens all around than the K35/2.0 ... since
> I've gotten the 30mm I rarely use the 28 or either of the 35's.
>
> The K24/2.8 is another fine lens, although methinks it's a bit wide for
> good "street photography," but I guess that depends on your definition of
> the practice and your shooting style.
>
> I've had numerous 85mm lenses and settled on the K85/1.8 for its size,
> sharpness, speed, and weight.  I loved the M85/2.0, and I'd have it yet
> had not a lady friend talked me out of it ... damn!
> However, as much as I liked the lens (it's nice and small and more than
> adequate in sharpness) the K85/1.8 was the lens I almost always reached
> for.
>
> If you get an 85mm, you might want to make the jump to the K120/2.8.
> It's a very nice lens, yes siree!, and while it has a similar optical
> formula to the K105/2.8 (which I've loved since the 1960's version in
> Super Takumar screw mount format), I think the bokeh is a little better,
> perhaps because of the longer focal length.
>
> A good all-around kit for street photography might be the 30mm, 50mm,
> 85mm, and the 120mm.  Those are ny choices, anyway.
>
> Well, welcome to the list ... have phun.
>
> Pentax wrote:
>
> > I've got an MX. Mostly I'm interested in just seeing what people have
> > to say about lenses. I've found some lens review sites around on the
> > web and many of them are compilations of comments from this list so I
> > figured I'd go right to the source and see what was going on.
> >
> > Just started shooting with the MX again after a year of shooting
> > exclusively with a Rolleicord V and wanted to get a coupla lenses to
> > compliment the 50/1.4. Probably something shorter and something
> > longer with the same build quality and a similiar look and feel to
> > photos (good bokeh, mostly shooting at or near wide open). Something
> > that goes well with Tri-X for handheld, available light, street and
> > travel photography. Maybe the 24/2.8 and one of the 85's or 100's.
> > Three seems like the perfect number. Can bring them all without much
> > overlap. Though the K 35/2 is also appealing...
>
>



Re: Hi there

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Israel is rainy? Somehow I kinda got the idea it was dry - is the rain a
seasonal thing? What part of Israel are in? Thanks for the welcome.
Rebekah
"a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
- Original Message -
From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rebekah Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Hi there


> Hi!
>
> RG> Hi, my name is Rebekah, I recently received my Dad's "old" Pentax,
though it
> RG> is in great condition. He just got the digital. I like your
discussions,
> RG> sounds like fun, so maybe you guys could give me your opinion on
Kodak's
> RG> Elite Chrome, does it compare to Koda Chrome?
> RG> Rebekah
>
> RG> "A day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
>
> Welcome, be greeted from rainy Israel ...
>
> I cannot help you with Chromes but endless wisdom of PDML surely will.
>
> Boris
>
>



Re: Hi there

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Thanks!

- Original Message -
From: "Tom Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Hi there


> Rebekah Gonzalez asked: "...maybe you guys could give me your opinion on
> Kodak's
> Elite Chrome, does it compare to Koda Chrome?"
>
> Kodachrome used to have superior color reproduction and grain but I
believe
> that Ektachrome has closed the gap. Ektachrome used to be prone to fading
> but that problem has been minimized too.
>
> There are numerous discussions of slide films on the web. Here are a few
> that you'll probably find interesting:
>
> http://www.photographic.com/film/159/index2.html
>
> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/v01/msg08777.html
>
> http://www.phototechmag.com/buying_slides.htm
>
> http://www.photographic.com/film/143/
>
> If you go to Google.com and search for Kodachrome vs Ektachrome you'll
find
> more information than you could ever read. I suggest that you try them
both
> and choose what you prefer. My personal preference is Elite Chrome Extra
> Color. It's the consumer film equivalent of the E100 VS Professional
> Ektachrome.
>
> Congratulations on your new (to you) Pentax and welcome to the PDML.
>
> Tom Reese
>
>



Re: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
No! No digital songs! I don't think digital compares with film, yet anyways.
Of course, for Kodachrome, there's always Ebay.
Rebekah
"a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."

- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe


> To refresh the old memory I've got some old Kodachromes of that day ...
>
> They give us those nice bright colors
> They give us the greens of summers
>  Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
>  I got a Pentax camera
>  I love to take a photograph
>  So mama don't take my Kodachrome away
>
> Will there ever be songs about "digital capture" or CF cards
> or EXIF code - Mama's already taking the Kodachrome away
>
>
> frank theriault wrote:
>
> > Shel,
> >
> > If you have any memory left, you can't be ~that~ old!  
> >
> > >shel (who remembers when they invented the pencil)
>
>
>



Re: Re[2]: Hi there

2004-01-11 Thread Rebekah Gonzalez
Cool, that sure is a lot of different kinds.
So, are these just what you will buy according to what's on hand, or do you
have a specific purpose for each of these, for instance, fuji for landscape
photos because of its blue and green saturation, stuff like that?
Rebekah
"a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."


- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rebekah Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:26 AM
Subject: Re[2]: Hi there


> Hello Rebekah,
>
> Looking forward to it.  As to films that I like, well, Agfa Ultra 100,
> Agfa Optima II 100, Fuji Reala 100, Konica Impressa 50, Fuji NPS 160,
> Fuji NPH 400, Fuji NPZ 800, Ilford Delta 3200 B&W...
>
> How's that for starters?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Saturday, January 10, 2004, 6:33:13 PM, you wrote:
>
> RG> My dad gave me a pentax P30 t. It's great, and as soon as I get my
pictures
> RG> back, I plan to scan them and overwhelm you guys with endless pictures
of my
> RG> son!
> RG> What's your favorite type of film?
> RG> Rebekah
> RG> "a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
>
> RG> - Original Message -
> RG> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> RG> To: "Rebekah Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> RG> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 8:15 PM
> RG> Subject: Re: Hi there
>
>
> >> Hello Rebekah,
> >>
> >> Welcome to the PDML.  So what did your dad pass on to you?  Hope to
> >> see you submit to the PUG gallery.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Saturday, January 10, 2004, 5:44:11 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> RG> Hi, my name is Rebekah, I recently received my Dad's "old" Pentax,
> RG> though it
> >> RG> is in great condition. He just got the digital. I like your
> RG> discussions,
> >> RG> sounds like fun, so maybe you guys could give me your opinion on
> RG> Kodak's
> >> RG> Elite Chrome, does it compare to Koda Chrome?
> >> RG> Rebekah
> >>
> >> RG> "A day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>



RE: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Malcolm Smith
Amita Guha wrote:

> > Government won't pay. People will argue about the funding and never 
> > agree on a suitable re-location.
> 
> What about an organization like the National Trust stepping in?

The National Trust is a charitable organisation who rely on property being
'given' to them, generally of outstanding national historic interest, most
of which come with a substantial amount of land, which they can open to
visitors to help offset the maintenance costs. I can't think of any
organisation that would take it on other than as a gift, with someone else
paying all the re-location costs.
 
> > Numbers of pubs have also reduced dramatically in London as 
> a whole, 
> > many are now fast food outlets.
> 
> No! Stick a knife in my heart, why don't you? :P

No, Amita, not all of them.some of them have been re-developed for
housing.that's not really helped, has it ? .

Malcolm




RE: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bill Owens wrote:

> Here in the USA, airport parking lots are an airport's 
> largest source of income.

Here in the UK, particularly airports like Gatwick, Heathrow and Stanstead
have astonishingly good bus, coach and rail links (and Underground to
central London in the case of Heathrow) and unless you live a good distance,
have a disability or perhaps a big family, there is little reason to take a
car. Of course many people like to distance themselves from public transport
for a variety of reasons and take a car, which needs a parking space; if
they don't have a good reason not to use public transport they should be
stuffed on parking fees. I would like to see parking areas reduced, thus
destroying less land, but for the point you make above, it's never going to
happen.

Malcolm




Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Nick Clark
Probably, although an ERC came with my first SLR, a Ricoh XR1, and as most people 
seemed to be using one on those days I assumed they came with all. They're great for 
when you want to go out with just the camera and one lens, and provide protection  
against the elements and knocks. 
I have one for the MX with two different front parts, one that snugly fits the 40mm 
pancake, and one that fits the 50mm f1.7 M or the 28mm f2.8 M. 
I also have one for the MZ-S with two front sections, one that 'fits' the 43mm f1.9 
ltd or my 19mm f3.5 Vivitar, and one that 'fits' the 24-90mm or the 90mm Tamron macro. 
These don't fit anywhere near as well as the MX one though.

Nick.

-Original Message-
From: "graywolf"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 11/01/04 17:43:26
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
  Humm? Didn't come with my MX's that I bought new in '78 & '81. Didn't come 
with my H3 that I bought new in '61. Maybe you mean, "were available for"?

--
>> From: "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Sorry I thought it was standard TLA. It's Ever Ready Case. Used to 
>> come with all SLrs but now seems an afterthought.

-- 
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com

"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."






Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Bob W
Hi,

> Is the M35/2 a pretty fast focusing lens?

> Just wondering how it would be for a street lens where you want to 
> focus quickly. Some lens seem to "snap" into focus more quickly than 
> others. Although I'm sure it's pretty subjective.

yes. It's a good lens for it.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Hal & Sandra Davis
Have the SFXn with ERC, and the back accomodates the data back on the
camera. With the front cover removed, this setup makes a very comfortable
handfull.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?


>
> Pentax still makes NRCs (Never Ready Cases) for the MZ-series, but I'm not
> sure about the *ist.  As Frank points out, I imagine leaving room to view
> the screen and dials on the back could be tricky.  The problem with NRCs
> for most modern cameras isn't their unusual shapes, though... it's the
> fact that today's plastic bodies need more padding than the older metal
> bodies.  It's tough plastic, but not that tough.
>
> chris
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, frank theriault wrote:
>
> > I think that "modern" cameras wouldn't work well with "ERC's".  Their
bodies
> > are have irregular shapes.  Not like slab-sided Spotties and the like.
> > Besides, with all the control surfaces sticking out from every surface
of
> > the bodies these days, designing a workable one that would not destroy
the
> > usability of those interfaces would be near impossible.
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
> >
> > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist
> > fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
> > >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:09:39 -
> > >
> > >Unfortunately Pentax seem to have given up making close fitting ERCs.
Too
> > >many combinations now I suppose.
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _
> > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*.
> >
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>
>



Re: Re[2]: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip?

2004-01-11 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> This is not just a Pentax issue.  I predict that 67 and larger will do
> better than 645/66 in the film arena.  The 645 that survives will be
> digital with better resolution than full frame 35mm.

That seems to be what Hasselblad is thinking too, with their new H1 camera.

Cheers,
Jostein 



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Steve Desjardins
Yeah, I agree.  I tried a M50 1.7 on the *istD (which acts like a 75)
and it's a very small lens.   That makes a very small "walk around"
package without the grip.  A slow "60" just isn't much use.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/10/04 09:07PM >>>
On 10 Jan 2004 at 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Just think what a nice package the 40mm pancake lens and the tiny
*istD 
> would make.

I suspect it wouldn't be particularly enamouring from an optical
perspective.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ 
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re[2]: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip?

2004-01-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Seems to me that DSLR's are making a serious inroad to the 645/66
area.  A significant portion of the users of those systems shoot
weddings and portraits.  Digital works quite well there.  Those who
are shooting landscape/scenics might opt for a bigger format - either
67, 69 or 4X5.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 67 have a stronger presence than 645 a
few years down the road.

This is not just a Pentax issue.  I predict that 67 and larger will do
better than 645/66 in the film arena.  The 645 that survives will be
digital with better resolution than full frame 35mm.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Sunday, January 11, 2004, 2:34:07 AM, you wrote:

J> - Original Message - 
J> From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>> I'd call it a desperate attempt to perpetuate the 645 format. 

J> Hmm.
J> You really think the 6x45 is a dying format as such?

J> jostein





Re: Hi there

2004-01-11 Thread Steve Desjardins
Oops.  Please ignore my other post.  My chart tells me the P30t dates to
1990.   So much for that Spotmatic crack . . .


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/10/04 09:33PM >>>
My dad gave me a pentax P30 t. It's great, and as soon as I get my
pictures
back, I plan to scan them and overwhelm you guys with endless pictures
of my
son!
What's your favorite type of film?
Rebekah
"a day without sunshine is like, you know, night."

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RE: Unsubscribe

2004-01-11 Thread Steve Desjardins
Welcome.  What is the "old" Pentax?  Spotmatic, MX, etc.?

We old guys like to reminisce . . . 


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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Re: OT: Re: Re[2]: Hi there

2004-01-11 Thread graywolf
Yes!

Just like the law requiring toy guns to be orange. A month later some criminal 
mastermind shoots a cop with a real gun he had painted orange. The "pass a law" 
types forget that the bad guys, by definition, do not obey those laws.

--

Frits Wüthrich wrote:

I think we should preserve S for spam, and require all spammers to start
the subject line with S:
I am convinced the spam problem will then be resolved around the globe.
--
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http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."



Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread graywolf
Three Letter Acronym!

Suggested google search: "internet acronym".
Time to find: "less than to write post defining ignorance".
Mode: "curmudgeonly".
:)
--

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Frank,

This morning I removed the ERC from my LX to see if it needed a CLA, but because it's 
had TLC only the VF was of concern.  Still don't know
what a TLA is ... Typical [...] Acronym?
frank theriault wrote:


What's TLA?

-frank, the internet illiterate

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

From: "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sorry I thought it was standard TLA. It's Ever Ready Case. Used to come
with all SLrs but now seems an afterthought.
Nick

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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Pentax
At 8:57 PM -0500 1/9/04, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I agree with your assessment of the K35/2.0. On the other hand, the 
M35/2.0 is a very nice lens and is quite compact. It's one of my 
most frequently used lenses.
Is the M35/2 a pretty fast focusing lens?

Just wondering how it would be for a street lens where you want to 
focus quickly. Some lens seem to "snap" into focus more quickly than 
others. Although I'm sure it's pretty subjective.

Thanks for the info.

Rob





RE: Some more photos from work

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Great shots, Cory!

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Some more photos from work
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:20:25 -0500
Here are some shots I took last night (still awake but it *was* last night)
at work.  I dare say, I DO have some interesting clients ;)
http://community.webshots.com/album/110437403puIOyr
BTW,  They were taken with the *ist D and my Sigma 70-300, mostly between
200 & 300mm, handheld, 1600, ***Jpeg, mostly between 125 and 280th, and no
worthwhile cars were damaged during the course of the event.  Trucks, well,
that's a different story.
Cory

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RE: Rain Picture

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
I haven't had much chance to look at PDML over the last few days, so this 
one sat unopened in my "in box".

I got a nice surprise when I opened it.  Thanks, Shel.  Lovely shot.  I love 
the expression on her face.  Who knows what reality is, but she seems to 
have a look of wisdom about her.  I imagine that she'd be great to great to 
sit down and have coffee or tea with;  she'd have some great life stories to 
tell.

Like I said, I've no idea if my thoughts have much to do with reality, but 
those things are what I thought and felt when I looked at your photo.

thanks,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rain Picture
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:43:01 -0800
Just a quick grab shot taken earlier today ... comments welcome

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/paper.html

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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Shel,

IIRC, and AFAIK, a CLA for an LX is PIA.

TTFN,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:49:47 -0800
Frank,

This morning I removed the ERC from my LX to see if it needed a CLA, but 
because it's had TLC only the VF was of concern.  Still don't know
what a TLA is ... Typical [...] Acronym?

frank theriault wrote:

> What's TLA?
>
> -frank, the internet illiterate
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
> >From: "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >
> >Sorry I thought it was standard TLA. It's Ever Ready Case. Used to come
> >with all SLrs but now seems an afterthought.
> >
> >Nick
> >
>
> >
>
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Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Frank,

This morning I removed the ERC from my LX to see if it needed a CLA, but because it's 
had TLC only the VF was of concern.  Still don't know
what a TLA is ... Typical [...] Acronym?

frank theriault wrote:

> What's TLA?
>
> -frank, the internet illiterate
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
> >From: "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >
> >Sorry I thought it was standard TLA. It's Ever Ready Case. Used to come
> >with all SLrs but now seems an afterthought.
> >
> >Nick
> >
>
> >
>
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Re: My M42 equipment

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Well, at least your Leicas are screwmount, eh Paul?  

Still, it's kind of a passing of an era.  I'm guessing m42 was your entry 
into Pentax.

Wish I could afford some of that nice glass (the 85mm sounds so yummy - I've 
been yearning for a portrait lens), but alas, whenever I have money to spend 
on equipment, it inevitable goes to that new-fangled bayonet-mount stuff.  


I hope you find good homes for your stuff, Paul.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My M42 equipment
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:40:21 -0500
The K mount compatibility won me over. And the res-up software that's now 
available. From what I've read I can now shoot with a 6 megapixel camera 
and res up to 40 meg files with very good image quality. And even if it 
doesn't work out, I can use the digital for personal photography. I don't 
snoot anything with my screw mount cameras these day, so I'll only miss the 
looking and fondling. Yeah, I will miss that, but I have to be practical. 
I'll keep all my K and M lenses as well as my LX and MX. And of course I'll 
keep all my 6x7 kit. I'll still shoot a lot of 6x7 film. At least until I'm 
convinced I can equal it in digital. But I have to look at the time savings 
that I can achieve in digital. Even if I lose a bit in quality, I can crank 
the work out for commercial projects. Then if the mood suits me, I can take 
out the LX for personal photography. Or one of my Barmacl Leicas. I haven't 
been completely reformed :--)
Paul
On Jan 10, 2004, at 7:56 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

Wow, This is a big upheaval for you, Paul!  Giving up your screwmount 
stuff,
buying Pentax digital, and buying new. What prompted this?

-Original Message-
From:   Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   January 10, 2004 4:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:FS: My M42 equipment
I didn't think I was holding back just because of the K
incompatibility, but I guess I was. I'm going to buy an *istD and
perhaps one autofocus zoom. (I've also learned from some local Canon
digital pros that I can get great 40 meg files with res-up software or
RAW conversion -- if and when PhotoShop adds Pentax digital to the
list.) In any case, I will be selling some of my screw mount cameras
and lenses.  If you want something, give me a shout. Add ten dollars
shipping on all items to US buyers. International shipping will be
actual cost. They go on ebay Monday night.
Pentax Spotmatic Motor Drive with smc takumar 55/1.8, voltmeter,
battery handle and fresh battery. I have the charger as well, but it
doesn't seem to work. I charge the battery with a 12 volt trickle
charger (not included). The camera is cosmetically very nice (KEH
excellent), and it works quite well. I'll take $350 now plus shipping.
Pentax H3v with clip on meter. Both camera and meter work well.
Cosmetically KEH excellent. A hundred bucks plus shipping and it's
yours.
Pentax Spotmatic F. A very nice camera. Only minor blemishes, mostly on
the base plate from tripod use. CLAed two years ago. Shutter speeds
good, everything works. It has a body plug and the flash synch plugs.
$150 plus shipping
SMC Pentax 17/4 fisheye lens. This is the lens with three built in
filters. It's in very nice condition and yields wonderful results. I'm
a bit hesitant about selling this one because I don't have the K. But,
hey, if you want it, it's  yours for $250 plus shipping
SMC Pentax 50/4 macro. Very nice condition. A good macro lens. $100
plus shipping.
SMC Pentax 120/2.8. Great lens and not very common. KEH excellent. $150
plus shipping.
SMC Pentax 105/2.8. This is a very highly regarded lens, and this is a
fine example of the breed. $175 plus shipping.
SMC Pentax 28/3.5. A great lens at a great price. KEH excellent. $75
plus shipping.
SMC Pentax 85/1.8. Quite possibly the best Pentax screwmount lens ever
made. This one is near mint. I'll take $250 plus shipping.
SMC Pentax 300/4. Minor dings and rub marks on hood and focus ring but
very nice glass. Unlike the K version, this one has a tripod mount.
I've gotten some good motorsport shots with this one. Good glass for
$250 plus shipping.
That's it for now. It goes on ebay Monday night or thereabouts.



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Re: *ist D image noise examples

2004-01-11 Thread Herb Chong
yes, it does. you have to set a Custom Function to allow it.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. William M Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: *ist D image noise examples


> An interesting comparison chart . . . but there is one problem:
> 
> The ist D doesn't do ISO 3200 and yet they are reporting values for it. 
>   Shouldn't they be reporting 3200 as "N/A"?  A quick scan of the text 
> doesn't indicate why.




Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
Hey, Tom,

Steve forgot one:

"G" for "Graywolf".  You would have to put it in front of all of your posts, 
so we don't have to listen to your curmudgeonly ways if we don't want to.  


But, to be fair, if you agree with that, I'll agree with:

"B" for "Bunny Ears".  So the list won't have to put up with whatever it is 
I do that annoys everyone here.



cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:09:49 -0500
Rasberry time...

Why should the poster have to do your work for you. We have never been able 
to get folks to change the subject line when they change the subject, and 
you expert them to do all that just so you don't have to figure out how to 
set up a proper filter?

See my tag line.

--

Steve Desjardins wrote:
We could actually do this if it would make things easier for people. Start 
a post with

d:  for digital  (including photoshop)
f:   for film  (including processing)
g:  or nothing for general photo stuff like composition
o:  for off topic
for example

d: WOOHOO!  when you get your new  *ist D
f:  WOOHOO!  when you find that LX for $50.00 at a yard
sale
g: WOOHOO! or simply  WOOHOO!  when you finally get paid for that last
Wedding shoot
o: WOOHOO!   if you have found that  perfect beef stew recipe.
Just a thought . . .


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Re: *ist D image noise examples

2004-01-11 Thread Herb Chong
NeatImage is software or a Photoshop plugin designed for batch noise
reduction in images. it is PC-only software, but it works in emulators on
Linux or Mac.

http://www.neatimage.com/

the FAJ series of lenses will work properly only on bodies that make
aperture adjustments from the camera body like the *ist and *istD. if you
mount them on an older body, the aperture won't work and you will be stuck
at one shooting aperture. i forget if it is wide open or not.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: SV: *ist D image noise examples


> Hi
> What is Neat Image - PC software? Or what?
>
> By dthe way. Do you know if lenses made for the *ist D - e.i FA-J 18-35
mm -
> can be used on a 35mm body? (It's a nice range for 35 mm).




Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?

2004-01-11 Thread frank theriault
I think that "modern" cameras wouldn't work well with "ERC's".  Their bodies 
are have irregular shapes.  Not like slab-sided Spotties and the like.  
Besides, with all the control surfaces sticking out from every surface of 
the bodies these days, designing a workable one that would not destroy the 
usability of those interfaces would be near impossible.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there an analog only Pentax list?
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:09:39 -
Unfortunately Pentax seem to have given up making close fitting ERCs. Too 
many combinations now I suppose.


>


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Re: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.

2004-01-11 Thread Bill Owens
> Nearly all of the increase in air miles is by internal flights. Well, the
> road and rail network has gone to hell on a handcart and will cost
billions
> to sort. Airport expansion is the quick cheap fix - a *bit* of land around
> the airports and journey times are kept low. The numbers travelling means
> that even if we had a good rail network, they would struggle on price
alone
> now. Sad to note that a lot of the land for airports is still used as car
> parking, as despite direct rail links to Stanstead, everyone wants the
car.
>

Here in the USA, airport parking lots are an airport's largest source of
income.

Bill




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