PESO_--_Before the Storm

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
Well as someone else, I believe it was Butch Black mentioned we're 
getting our weekly 6-8 inch snowstorm, earlier
this after noon I took the dog for a walk on the beach and as is my wont 
I carried a camera.  This is one of the more
interesting photos I captured.  (It was a productive expedition).

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_bts1.html
Technical Information:
Pentax *ist-D iso 800 1/650sec
smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 @ 210mm f8.0
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: PAW: Snowman on the Hill

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
I've seen them around here and we've had plenty of snow this year.
David Savage wrote:
I don't know about the U.S. But I've seen them here in Oz the last few
Christmas'
We've got a good excuse :-)
Dave S
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:03:03 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/snowman.html
Just a quick grab from my car window this past Christmas.  Some
Californians have an interesting idea about what a snowman really is.
These snow creatures seemed to have started replicating about a year or two
back, and now they seem to be on every street.  It's like some kind of
strange Horror/Sci-Fi movie - "Attack of the Ersatz Snow People"  Have
these creatures migrated to other parts of the country?
Shel
   

[Original Message]
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 

frank (getting tired of winter just about now...)
 

   


 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: OT: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
E-mail is not delivered directly, an intermediate server may be 
"helpfully" deleting spam as well.
This could lead to all sorts of lost messages.

John Francis wrote:
Unfortunately my earlier post about missing eMail rather undermines
this theory.   I receive my pdml posts at an ISP where I can be 100%
certain that no such filtering takes place.  Despite that, though,
I don't get 100% of the pdml posts.
It's quite possible that verizon (and hotmail, and earthlink, and ...)
customers could lose additional email messages (although pdml posts
aren't particularly likely to trigger any automated spam filters).
But that can't explain messages not being delivered to my account,
or to several other list members who have direct access to their
own mail servers.
At this point it's really hard for me to believe that anything
*but* the list server is to blame for the delivery failures.
Tom C mused:
 

Hi John,
Yep, I understand.  I thought this might at least help the PDML at large, to 
understand that missing  e-mails are not the fault of our list server.

I have to say that on hotmail, I get very little, if any SPAM.  Probably the 
price I pay for missing posts.

Tom C.

   

From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: Lost E-mails
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:27:08 -0500 (EST)
Tom C mused:
 

There was an AP news article this morning in the paper (from 2-25-05).  
   

It
 

addressed the increasingly unreliable state of e-mail.
   

Basically this says "Some ISPs are throwing away email".
This isn't really news.   Today the finger is being pointed at Verizon.
Last time the focus was on AOL (although I believe they now claim to
properly send delivery failure notifications).
 

   


 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: OT: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread John Francis

That certainly used to be the case, especially with UUCP mail.
But the widespread acceptance of SMTP rather changed that.

Nowadays, in fact, email is almost always point-to-point[1].
And in the particular case we are most concerned with here,
pdml mail, the connection is direct from the mailing list
hosting server to the mail server here at my ISP (as can
easily be determined by examining the routing headers in
the messages).


[1] Well, technically, it still has to be routed through
various other servers.  But that's handled by the TCP/IP
transport layer.  The mail connection is a direct socket
connection - there's no intermediate machine looking at
the content of those packets[2], let alone identifying
them as email messages.
And I'm sure you're not suggesting that the fault lies
in the TCP/IP transport or socket layer.

[2] Except, quite probably, something operated by the NSA.



Peter J. Alling mused:
> 
> E-mail is not delivered directly, an intermediate server may be 
> "helpfully" deleting spam as well.
> This could lead to all sorts of lost messages.
> 
> John Francis wrote:
> 
> >Unfortunately my earlier post about missing eMail rather undermines
> >this theory.   I receive my pdml posts at an ISP where I can be 100%
> >certain that no such filtering takes place.  Despite that, though,
> >I don't get 100% of the pdml posts.
> >
> >It's quite possible that verizon (and hotmail, and earthlink, and ...)
> >customers could lose additional email messages (although pdml posts
> >aren't particularly likely to trigger any automated spam filters).
> >But that can't explain messages not being delivered to my account,
> >or to several other list members who have direct access to their
> >own mail servers.
> >
> >At this point it's really hard for me to believe that anything
> >*but* the list server is to blame for the delivery failures.
> >
> >
> >Tom C mused:
> >  
> >
> >>Hi John,
> >>
> >>Yep, I understand.  I thought this might at least help the PDML at large, 
> >>to 
> >>understand that missing  e-mails are not the fault of our list server.
> >>
> >>I have to say that on hotmail, I get very little, if any SPAM.  Probably 
> >>the 
> >>price I pay for missing posts.
> >>
> >>Tom C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >>>Subject: Re: OT: Lost E-mails
> >>>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:27:08 -0500 (EST)
> >>>
> >>>Tom C mused:
> >>>  
> >>>
> There was an AP news article this morning in the paper (from 2-25-05).  
> 
> 
> >>>It
> >>>  
> >>>
> addressed the increasingly unreliable state of e-mail.
> 
> 
> >>>Basically this says "Some ISPs are throwing away email".
> >>>
> >>>This isn't really news.   Today the finger is being pointed at Verizon.
> >>>Last time the focus was on AOL (although I believe they now claim to
> >>>properly send delivery failure notifications).
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during 
> peacetime.
>   --P.J. O'Rourke
> 
> 



Re: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Frantisek

Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 4:54:37 AM, Graywolf wrote:
G> Does anybody find it funny that spam is dealt with by punishing the receiver
G> (deleting valid email) rather than the senders (closing their accounts)?

Well, the spammers are lobbyists too. They successfuly lobbied for the
CAN SPAM act, which is OPT-OUT. Meaning they can send you legaly
whatever they please, as long as they let you opt out of it. That's
the US. The funniest is the name - "CAN SPAM" !?!? Just like the
governmental acts on war on terror... funny names. Although it's a bit
of meme warfare. Naming an act exactly the opposite it means. Act that
severely cuts citizens freedoms would be named Freedom act or
something... but I was talking about spam, not politics ;-) sorry

Here in Europe, we have OPT-IN, meaning it's illegal to send spam
unless you opt in. WhichIMO  is much better approach.

Of course, both depend on how are they carried out in reality.

Of course, now a lot of spam is sent from small offshore countries,
but according to some statistics a lot is sent from big developed
countries too.


Good light!
   fra



Re: OT: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/28/2005 11:31:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At this point it's really hard for me to believe that anything
*but* the list server is to blame for the delivery failures.

I agree.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: You have to 'love' electronics.

2005-03-01 Thread Ronald Arvidsson
Hmm,
I belive you are talking just about zeros 000
Cheers,
Ronald

Persnickety things electronics -- they have off days. :-)

Yeah - it's just like computers - they're not all "ones and zeroes" - .

Fred



Re: Sigma 10-20 for Pentax

2005-03-01 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Peter Loveday wrote on 01.03.05 0:04:

> Anyone heard anything about the availability (and price?) of the Sigma 30 /
> 1.4 prime for Pentax mount?
Yeah, that would be even more interesting for bright "standard" lovers.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



OT: Weird synergistic world

2005-03-01 Thread Derby Chang
Just went for a job interview at a funky company, and I don't want to 
jinx it, but I'd really like to get the job. Anyway, I only just 
realised why I immediately clicked to the company culture. Have a look 
at the "X" in their company logo. Does it look like an X you know well???

http://www.imaxeon.com/
D
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc



Re: PESO - One week in Israel

2005-03-01 Thread Cotty
On 28/2/05, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>In the early hours of Sunday, my family and I returned from a one week 
>vacation in Israel.
>The link below is to six images, one for each of the full days we 
>spent there.
>
>http://www.oksne.net/paw/israel/index.html
>
>Many, many thanks to PDML'er Boris Liberman and family for their 
>hospitality.


Lovely stuff Jostein. well done. Nicely presented!



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO - End Of The Season

2005-03-01 Thread Peter Lacus
Mark,
Thanks - I thought I started a new thread for that.
Does this mean that if I hit "reply to" to a random message and change 
the subject line, it still sits in the old thread?
you can see for yourself at http://www.misenet.sk/threads/
I guess that is what I get for being to lazy to just pull the address 
out of my address book...
yup, quite often I'm lazy too, but perhaps my mail reader is a bit more 
user friendly - when I will start to type "pentax" in the "To:" line 
it'll suggest proper address automagically...

Bedo.


Re: Re: OT: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread m.9.wilson

> 
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 
> Unfortunately my earlier post about missing eMail rather undermines
> this theory.   I receive my pdml posts at an ISP where I can be 100%
> certain that no such filtering takes place.  Despite that, though,
> I don't get 100% of the pdml posts.

Yet (and I'm not being argumentative here, just underlining the paradoxial 
nature of what's going on) my ISP seems to be using extremely aggressive 
filters.  I get _no_ spam whatsoever.  I also seem to be receiving all PDML 
posts.  Can't be 100% sure, of course, without some extensive observing which 
I'm not prepared to do at the moment but I can't remember an instance (for 
example) of not getting a threadstarter post.  Sometimes they are out of synch; 
Rob Studdert's posts are inevitably so.  Posts later in threads are more 
difficult to spot [especially if they are missing 8-)] but I can't remember an 
example of seeing a post quoted that I had not already seen or saw shortly 
thereafter.

Lucky me.

mike

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Re: Re: OT: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread John Francis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused:
> 
> 
> > 
> > From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > 
> > Unfortunately my earlier post about missing eMail rather undermines
> > this theory.   I receive my pdml posts at an ISP where I can be 100%
> > certain that no such filtering takes place.  Despite that, though,
> > I don't get 100% of the pdml posts.
> 
> Yet (and I'm not being argumentative here, just underlining the paradoxial 
> nature of what's going on) my ISP seems to be using extremely aggressive 
> filters.  I get _no_ spam whatsoever.  I also seem to be receiving all PDML 
> posts.  Can't be 100% sure, of course, without some extensive observing which 
> I'm not prepared to do at the moment but I can't remember an instance (for 
> example) of not getting a threadstarter post.  Sometimes they are out of 
> synch; Rob Studdert's posts are inevitably so.  Posts later in threads are 
> more difficult to spot [especially if they are missing 8-)] but I can't 
> remember an example of seeing a post quoted that I had not already seen or 
> saw shortly thereafter.
> 
> Lucky me.

As you say - lucky you.

This just confirms another thing I said - pdml messages don't fit
the profile of the sort of messages that get intercepted by those
automated spam filters. 

I see the same "out of order" messages, but that's usually a byproduct
of the mail display program; I'd bet that yours, like mine, defaults
to sorting by the time the message was sent. That doesn't always work
too well in a multi-time-zone environment; the mail timestamp is in
the local time of the sender.  Rob Studdert's clock is several hours
ahead of ours, so his messages get sorted into later positions.

That's another reason to switch to using a threaded mail reader, but
I'm still not doing that by default for my first look at pdml messages.


But, to get back to the main topic:  I don't lose many messages.  When
everybody was complaining recently about large numbers of lost messages
I think I only identified three or four messages that I had missed.
And most of the time everything works just fine; most messages get
through to most recipients with absolutely no problems.

My suspicions are centred on what the list server does if an attempt
to deliver a message fails (which can happen in multiple ways, from
failing to get a DNS hostname lookup for the mail host, through not
being able to establish a socket connection, having the mail server
say it is too busy, etc., etc.  to simply not getting the closing
handshake saying the mail has been accepted).  Presumably it will
retry the delivery a few times before giving up completely.  But I
think there may be one or more ways through that code that result
in a message getting dropped.



PESO: Others 2005 #10O - Natural Abstraction

2005-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/10p.htm

Made with the *ist DS and DA16-45mm f/4 lens. 

enjoy,
Godfrey





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Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Rather nice, I agree. It reminds me of my Nikon FMs, only more
compact. :-)

Godfrey

--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, kids, I think I see why people like this camera so much.
> I just needed the pro model to realize it.
> Have a peak if you like.
> Be warned, the page is around 400kb.
> 
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/blackmx/blackmx.html




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Kodachrome Scan

2005-03-01 Thread Tom C
I don't have a lot of experience scanning Kodachrome (read next to none).  I 
happened to have this old Kodachrome in my briefcase.  It was a picture of 
my Dad's family taken in 1954 when he was a teenager.  Inherited a load of 
old pictures when my grandmother passed away. Location is unknown.  I'm 
guessing either Indiana or Colorado Springs.

This was scanned with a Konica-Minolta Dimage Scan Dual IV.  Maximum 
resolution 3200 DPI.  No color correction, contrast enhancement, digital 
ICE, etc. Slight crop and USM and resizing.  It's obviously a dirty piece of 
film.  I blew it off with compressed air.

I don't know what to expect for a 50-51 year old slide scan.  Obviously not 
a great picture in it's own right. But I think the results are decent.

Tells alot about my family as I look at it.  My Aunt Claudia is pouting even 
as a young child.  My father, Michael,  sitting on the right (who I always 
thought I looked like) actually looks more like my younger brother, and my 
son bears a resemblance as well.  I look most like my grandfather, Elint 
(especially seeing pictures through his life).  My grandmother is Carla, and 
the boy on the left is my Uncle Phil.  Not that this is important.

Just wanted to try a Kodachrome scan with the Minolta.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3159448
Tom C.



Re: PAW: Willy the Springer Spaniel

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Frank. Gotta get away from this winter weather. My photography 
is going to the dogs.
Paul
On Feb 28, 2005, at 10:05 PM, frank theriault wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:19:58 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've struggled to get a decent picture of Willy for quite some time. 
Yesterday I got him to sit still on the stairs for a few moments. 
He's getting on in years now, but he's still quite handsome. Shot him 
with the FA 50/1.4 at f8 and a single flash bounced off the ceiling. 
(This is one of the nice things about the Sigma EX-500 DG Super. The 
head rotates, so you can do a ceiling bounce in vertical position.) 
Willy is here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3152929

Look at those eyes!
Wonderful doggie portrait, Paul.  I think you did him justice this 
time.

cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
This is a silly debate. Of course they care about those things. I think 
what Herb was trying to say is that much of his work, those things his 
editors will buy, are static. But his main point was just that it's 
quite easy to do multiple layers to achieve amazing latitude with 
digital and RAW.

On Feb 28, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
People don't care about portraits?  or nature shots?  or wildlife
photography?  or journalism? or documentary photography?  or news?
Shel

[Original Message]
From: Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Date: 2/28/2005 4:51:26 PM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
the difference is that it works for situations that people care about 
and
that it is far too time-consuming to even consider using with film.

Herb...
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?

What you're doing does not mean that  digital has 15 stops of 
latitude.
You are combining several exposures to give an effective range of
fifteen
stops.  A big difference.  Plus, the technique is practically 
worthless
for
many types of photography, such as when there's subject movement, 
like
in
a
portrait where the subject's facial expression may change slightly 
with
each exposure, or while photographing sports, or "street 
photography,"
or
... well, I'll let the reader fill in the blanks.  At least you
qualified
your comment somewhat 





Re: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film

2005-03-01 Thread Chan Yong Wei
I hope I haven't misunderstood what you're saying; but I've heard on
some places (probably photo.net) that one can develop XP2 with
conventional/traditional B&W developers, and have it come out looking
more or less like regular negatives.


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:59:28 -0500, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On a tangential note - I've been experimenting with developing C41 color in
> traditional B&W developers, and then extracting the silver image by
> scanning. Produces some interesting results. I should probably try this with
> XP2 Super - the major problem with the color film is the orange mask, and
> I'd be curious to see what sort of mask the XP2 comes out when handled (or
> mishandled) in this manner.
> 
> - MCC
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Mark Cassino Photography
> Kalamazoo, MI
> www.markcassino.com
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film
> 
> >
> >  Highlights are compressed at 200 but that's a small price to pay for
> >  clean shadows. Originally I was shooting XP2 at 400 ASA as the
> >  recommended optimum sensitivity. Darker shadows than 2 EVs then
> >  comes out with blotchy, irregular grain. And it's grain all right
> >  not just noise introduced by the tone expansion, as it is obvious on
> >  the optical prints as well.
> >
> >  Servus,  Alin
> >
> > Godfrey wrote:
> > GD> My experience with XP2 says that you were overexposing it too
> > GD> much at ASA 200, compressing tonal scale quite a lot. I found it
> > GD> best in the range ASA 320 to 640. Going down to 200-250 produces
> > GD> very flat negative: all the highlights are compressed.
> >
> > GD> Yes, underexposing it creates grainier images.
> >
> > GD> Compensation for the compressed histogram by scanning to 16bit
> > GD> and then adjusting the gamma curve. It's amazing how much data
> > GD> can be pulled out of a thin negative if you work at it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>



Re: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Of course, now a lot of spam is sent from small offshore countries,
>but according to some statistics a lot is sent from big developed
>countries too.

The U.S. and China are 1-2 according to Spamhaus, the UK-based antispam
organization:
http://www.spamhaus.org/statistics.lasso
The #1 spam support network is MCI (United States), followed by Kornet
(Korea).

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?

2005-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Paul, this is at least the second time that Herb has spoken condescendingly
about the work and photographic style and preferences of others.  It's not
a debate  I see it as Herb just being mean spirited.

It's nice of you to jump in and try to smooth the waters, but frankly, I
think it's Herb's place to explain what he meant.  The last time he did
this I asked him point blank what he meant, and received no response.  Nor
did he respond to John Francis and one or two others who called him on this
crap (AFAIK).

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> This is a silly debate. Of course they care about those things. I think 
> what Herb was trying to say is that much of his work, those things his 
> editors will buy, are static. But his main point was just that it's 
> quite easy to do multiple layers to achieve amazing latitude with 
> digital and RAW.
>
> On Feb 28, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > People don't care about portraits?  or nature shots?  or wildlife
> > photography?  or journalism? or documentary photography?  or news?
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Date: 2/28/2005 4:51:26 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
> >>
> >> the difference is that it works for situations that people care about 
> >> and
> >> that it is far too time-consuming to even consider using with film.
> >>
> >> Herb...
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:14 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
> >>
> >>
> >>> What you're doing does not mean that  digital has 15 stops of 
> >>> latitude.
> >>> You are combining several exposures to give an effective range of
> > fifteen
> >>> stops.  A big difference.  Plus, the technique is practically 
> >>> worthless
> >>> for
> >>> many types of photography, such as when there's subject movement, 
> >>> like
> > in
> >>> a
> >>> portrait where the subject's facial expression may change slightly 
> >>> with
> >>> each exposure, or while photographing sports, or "street 
> >>> photography,"
> > or
> >>> ... well, I'll let the reader fill in the blanks.  At least you
> > qualified
> >>> your comment somewhat 
> >>
> >
> >




+1 EV

2005-03-01 Thread Kevin Waterson
If I am shooting with ISO 1600  f2.8  shutter 250 and 200mm with *ist D
and I wish and extra bit of light, will adjusting EV help.
Does it at 1 stop (1.4) or subtract from the shutter speed?

Kind regards
Kevin

-- 
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."



Re: PAW: Willy the Springer Spaniel

2005-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Time to pull out that ol' "Bow-Wow Takumar" 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Thanks Frank. Gotta get away from this winter weather. My photography 
> is going to the dogs.
> Paul




Re: +1 EV

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm guessing that you're talking about exposure compensation. It's 
shown on the scale in the viewfinder with a plus and minus range. Plus 
one exposure compensation will add shutter speed or a stop and will add 
light to the exposure.  Minus one will subtract shutter speed or a stop 
and will subtract light from the exposure.  However, unless the scene 
warrants it, you will end up either overexposed (+1) or underexposed 
(-1). If you're shooting RAW, you can easily get away with 
underexposing by a stop. If you're shooting jpeg, the results might not 
be very nice.

On Mar 1, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Waterson wrote:
If I am shooting with ISO 1600  f2.8  shutter 250 and 200mm with *ist D
and I wish and extra bit of light, will adjusting EV help.
Does it at 1 stop (1.4) or subtract from the shutter speed?
Kind regards
Kevin
--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."



Re: PAW: Willy the Springer Spaniel

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
HAR!
On Mar 1, 2005, at 7:04 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Time to pull out that ol' "Bow-Wow Takumar" 
Shel

[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks Frank. Gotta get away from this winter weather. My photography
is going to the dogs.
Paul




March PUG comments

2005-03-01 Thread Henk Terhell
Let me try to say some words about each of the March PUG pictures
because these are all too valuable. Don't see my comments as nitpicking
- I like all these pictures.

Henk

Father and daughter: a very fine shot with good details of the light
parts. The little hand stretching to the father's thumb is also a
remarkable detail.

)-(: the reflection on the water surface as well as the concentration on
the faces of the kids makes this a very special picture.

Playing outside the church: Classic B/W on its best here with all the
details of the sun reflected on the stone. Reminds me of Cartier-Bresson
style.

We tied: cannot stop smiling when looking at this picture! Scanning may
not have been perfect making it a bit hazy, and there is a scratch in
the background left, but otherwise details are fine.

60 Years of love: congratulations - high quality shot which will for
once and for all establish the reputation of the photographer within the
family.

Museum visitors: a real modern art visitor there. I'm curious how a side
vision from the left would look like.

The dancer and the wallflower: original shot with much contrast and nice
grain but I'm left with some questions (what is this woman doing on top
of a file cabinet? and what does the woman in the back thinks of this
behaviour?)

Dance: very charming picture with good sharpness in the centre  - no
changes needed in my opinion.

Kinetic kops: the passerby makes this picture somehow more comic and
special.

Thumbgi: very original idea - so much different from a classic nature
shot.

Fact: very abstract with nice colors and somewhat mysterious.

Empty hands: no doubt to me that it meets the theme. These trees don't
look very healthy and may not be on speaking terms with each other at
all, and if they only could move forewards...

Life/death: unforgettable shot of high quality but which I don't like to
hang on my wall. The red colors of the bones as well as the presence of
the bird turns this picture into a candidate for the BBC World Wild Life
contest.

Lions and Gulls, Oh My: what an abundance of bodies! Well catched and
framed. Perhaps it could have slightly more contrast and less brightness
but I appreciate that the front light is a problem here to deal with.

Opposites or Companions?: perfect shot that would fit in a glossy
magazine advertisement. All reflections are right. A small detail: my
attention is drawn to three white dots above the salt holder which may
need to be removed.

Pedals: good composition. Perhaps somewhat more brilliance could be
obtained with a slower film since such still life wouldn't require 3200
ASA.

Opposing cameras: well balanced toning and indeed very opposite! My only
comment is that the folds in the white background sheet take too much
attention.

Maytag: this machine looks like a robot invader from Mars. Interesting
contrast. I would myself reduce the area of the wall giving more
attention to the machine.

Concealed: this one I like very much. A very mysterious - almost Dracula
- atmosphere with nice repeat of forms of the tree and the church tower.

Light and darkness: well toned. Only comment is that the buildings are
not fully sharp whereas the dark foreground can have less sharpness or
even be cut off more.

RGB reflections: interesting picture really proving the strength of the
digital camera.

Water-fire: nice atmosphere, but I find the lack of sharpness on the
water surface to be detracting. Perhaps some of the darker foreground
could be removed.

Urban beauty: good shot. I would myself remove some of the dark
foreground and wipe out the unsharp branches on the right side.

Gate: quite a contrast to the previous picture. Composition and exposure
is well done. Perhaps the addition of blue has been too much because the
barn and the wood from the fence have also become bluish.

Trinkets: what a colorful world. Overall the picture is a bit dark on my
screen, in particular the right side.

Lake: very strong picture with good strong colors, getting me cold
shivers even if not knowing about -34 deg.C.









MX (or LX) focussing screen

2005-03-01 Thread Thibouille
What would be an acceptable price for one of these ?
 

Thibouille



Re: Bris PDML follow up...

2005-03-01 Thread John Coyle
Finally (11:00pm) got my act together and edited and uploaded the latest 
Brisbane PDML shots:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=476246
for a look.

We went to the exhibition of Tim Page's photos, covering the period 1966 to 
date, Vietnam, Cambodia etc - great stuff.
Another meet tomorrow, my place, just for coffee and chat.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Bris PDML follow up...


Hi Tan - still struggling to find time!  Yet another order received today, 
so why won't these guys leave me alone! 

John Coyle
Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com)
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "Tan and Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:27 PM
Subject: Bris PDML follow up...


Hey John and Ryan!
Any pics from Friday yet?  Hope you had a great time, I know that I did!
tan. :)





Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Graywolf
IIRC the ones with serial numbers starting with 9 are the earlier ones and those 
starting with 4 the newer ones. Just the opposite of what you might think. Some 
folks feel most of the changes were to make the newer ones (4) cheaper to 
manufacture.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
whats the difference between the 4 series and 9 series versions?
I have a black MX myself, but don't know the serial # off hand.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:21 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: My new black MX

I prefer the 4-series  but either are sweet.
Shel 


[Original Message]
From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: My new black MX

Looks nice, Bill.  Is it an early or late model (serial #start with
a 4 or
a 9?)
This ones just a 4.
But she is real pretty.
I bet a 9 would be sweet.
William Robb




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Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Graywolf
Black cost $30 extra, and since there are fewer of them they are rarer nowadays. 
Also many think they are more "professional" looking. Yes the chrome was more 
durable.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Jens Bladt wrote:
Why is the black one (like my firts Pentax MX) so desireable?
It's thesame camera, isn't it?
And the chrome surface is much stronger and less liable to get scratches
etc.
The black one sure is pretty! Is that it?
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. marts 2005 05:02
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: My new black MX

- Original Message -
From: "Juan Buhler"
Subject: Re: My new black MX

See? that's what I meant. You'll appreciate it...
Now put a CF card in there and go shooting! :-)

CF, thats Colour Film, right?
William Robb



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Re: Winter is still here

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Yep I made it and they were there. Funny thing is the weather channel is still 
>predicting 1-3 inches accumulation. I wonder if those guys ever go outdoors at 
>all?
>
>Aside to Mark Roberts: This stuff is headed your way, enjoy (grin).

Oh yeah, I had to shovel away almost an *inch* of snow here. Pretty
wimpy even by Pittsburgh standards of winter.

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Photography and writing
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Re: OT: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Graywolf
Too bad we don't have some of the deleted email to check the headers on (grin).
Interestingly your post came directly from the list server to charter.net where 
it passed through 3 servers before going to my mailbox. Mailservers should work 
the way you state, but often do not, either because management insists, or 
because the systems administrator does not know what he/she is doing. And I 
occassionally miss emain other than from the list. Although unless someone sends 
a follow up we wouldn't know about that.

Of course, the current version of the listserver software could be buggy (though 
Doug probably does not have any say about which version is on the server).

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
John Francis wrote:
That certainly used to be the case, especially with UUCP mail.
But the widespread acceptance of SMTP rather changed that.
Nowadays, in fact, email is almost always point-to-point[1].
And in the particular case we are most concerned with here,
pdml mail, the connection is direct from the mailing list
hosting server to the mail server here at my ISP (as can
easily be determined by examining the routing headers in
the messages).
[1] Well, technically, it still has to be routed through
various other servers.  But that's handled by the TCP/IP
transport layer.  The mail connection is a direct socket
connection - there's no intermediate machine looking at
the content of those packets[2], let alone identifying
them as email messages.
And I'm sure you're not suggesting that the fault lies
in the TCP/IP transport or socket layer.
[2] Except, quite probably, something operated by the NSA.

Peter J. Alling mused:
E-mail is not delivered directly, an intermediate server may be 
"helpfully" deleting spam as well.
This could lead to all sorts of lost messages.

John Francis wrote:

Unfortunately my earlier post about missing eMail rather undermines
this theory.   I receive my pdml posts at an ISP where I can be 100%
certain that no such filtering takes place.  Despite that, though,
I don't get 100% of the pdml posts.
It's quite possible that verizon (and hotmail, and earthlink, and ...)
customers could lose additional email messages (although pdml posts
aren't particularly likely to trigger any automated spam filters).
But that can't explain messages not being delivered to my account,
or to several other list members who have direct access to their
own mail servers.
At this point it's really hard for me to believe that anything
*but* the list server is to blame for the delivery failures.
Tom C mused:

Hi John,
Yep, I understand.  I thought this might at least help the PDML at large, to 
understand that missing  e-mails are not the fault of our list server.

I have to say that on hotmail, I get very little, if any SPAM.  Probably the 
price I pay for missing posts.

Tom C.

  


From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: Lost E-mails
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:27:08 -0500 (EST)
Tom C mused:



There was an AP news article this morning in the paper (from 2-25-05).  
  

It



addressed the increasingly unreliable state of e-mail.
  

Basically this says "Some ISPs are throwing away email".
This isn't really news.   Today the finger is being pointed at Verizon.
Last time the focus was on AOL (although I believe they now claim to
properly send delivery failure notifications).


  




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Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Will the Pentax dslr siblings work well with extension tubes
and
> other close-up gear like the helicoid focusing adapter?  I
rarely
> do any macro work, but sometimes like to get close to show
detail
> for eBay sales or to just get a little closer or less DOF when
> using some lenses in the 85mm - 200mm range.  

They work just like any other SLR does. 

> ... If I wanted a
> wide-ish zoom, which would be a good choice for close-up work?

> Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these cameras? How'd
it
> work out?

It all depends on what field of view you want. A 24-35mm zoom
lens on the D/Ds gives you field of view equivalent to a 35-50mm
zoom in 135 format. The DA16-45 works very well as a wide to
normal zoom and focuses very close. 

Godfrey

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Re: PESO_--_Before the Storm

2005-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
--- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_bts1.html
> 
> Pentax *ist-D iso 800 1/650sec
> smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 @ 210mm f8.0

I like the feel of this photo. Perhaps a touch more contrast
would be nice. 

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OT: PJ/documentary photo lecture in Berkeley,CA

2005-03-01 Thread Frantisek
this came into my inbox, some californian PDMLers might be interested:

***
RENA EFFENDI LECTURE Rena will visit FiftyCrows from Baku, Azerbaijan
and give a Slide Lecture of her recent work at UC Berkeley, on March
3, 2005. Her lecture titled "Lost & Found", offers a rare glimpse into
contemporary urban life in post-Soviet Azerbaijan

Lecture / Photography / Art
DATETHURSDAY March 3, 2005
WHATRena Effendi: Lost & Found
photography slide lecture
WHO Presented by FiftyCrows International Fund for Documentary
Photography and the Center for Photography at the Graduate School of
Journalism
WHERE   UC Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism
121 North Gate Hall, Room 105
University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-5860
main office: 510-642-3383
TIMEProgram 7:30 - 9:00 PM
Doors open at 6:30
TICKETS TICKETS AT THE DOOR: Free to Journalism Students, suggested
donation to other students and the public: $3-5
DESCRIPTION 

The stories of “Lost & Found” are about people and places stuck in
time, pending for change and abandoned. Through powerful photographic
essays and music Effendi offers a rare glimpse into contemporary urban
life in post-Soviet Azerbaijan, including the award-winning work,
Mahalla: Faces of Change. A Question and Answer period will be
included in the program.

Rena Effendi is a Regional Winner of the 2004 FiftyCrows IFDP Central
Asia and the Caucasus competition visiting the Bay Area from Baku,
Azerbaijan. Effendi has photographically documented issues ranging
from orphans with bone tuberculosis to post-Taliban Kabul, to
condemned communities in Balakhani. A member of the Caucasus Agency of
Photojournalists (PATKER) since 2002, her work has appeared in
numerous online and print publications as well as promotionally for
the World Health Organization.

Good light!
   fra




Re: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Frantisek
>>Of course, now a lot of spam is sent from small offshore countries,
>>but according to some statistics a lot is sent from big developed
>>countries too.

MR> The U.S. and China are 1-2 according to Spamhaus, the UK-based antispam
MR> organization:
MR> http://www.spamhaus.org/statistics.lasso
MR> The #1 spam support network is MCI (United States), followed by Kornet
MR> (Korea).

:-( even more reason the bad CAN-SPAM act be changed to opt-in
policy... I am not fond of receiving mortgage offers from US when I
live in Europe ;-)

Good light!
   fra



Re: MX (or LX) focussing screen

2005-03-01 Thread m.9.wilson

> 
> From: Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/01 Tue PM 01:05:07 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: MX (or LX) focussing screen
> 
> What would be an acceptable price for one of these ?

I paid £5 (7.5Euro) for one about two years ago.  NIB, old stock.  More 
realistically, the newer versions cost about £30.

mike

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Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt"
Subject: RE: My new black MX


Why is the black one (like my firts Pentax MX) so desireable?
It's thesame camera, isn't it?
And the chrome surface is much stronger and less liable to get 
scratches
etc.
The black one sure is pretty! Is that it?
I think your last sentence sums it up well.
I've owned 3 MX's now, 2 were chrome, and now the black one.
The black body is, I am pretty sure, enameled brass, while the chrome 
ones are actually plated aluminium.
Black cameras seem to age more gracefully.

William Robb 




Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)


Will the Pentax dslr siblings work well with extension tubes and 
other
close-up gear like the helicoid focusing adapter?  I rarely do any 
macro
work, but sometimes like to get close to show detail for eBay sales 
or to
just get a little closer or less DOF when using some lenses in the 
85mm -
200mm range.  If I wanted a wide-ish zoom, which would be a good 
choice for
close-up work?  Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these 
cameras?
How'd it work out?
I routinely use a bellows on my istD. You need to put a short 
extension tube between the bellows and the camera body to allow the 
bellows to clear the prism projection.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/istD_bellows.html

William Robb 




Re: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film

2005-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Chan Yong Wei"
Subject: Re: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film


I hope I haven't misunderstood what you're saying; but I've heard on
some places (probably photo.net) that one can develop XP2 with
conventional/traditional B&W developers, and have it come out 
looking
more or less like regular negatives.
XP-2 is a C-41 process colour negative film which gives an unmasked 
monochromatic image.
Best results are to be had with regular colour film processing.

William Robb



Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: My new black MX


Jeez, it still has the plastic on the bottom.

William Robb


Re: Re: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread m.9.wilson

> 
> From: Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/01 Tue PM 02:01:36 GMT
> To: Mark Roberts 
> Subject: Re: Lost E-mails
> 
> >>Of course, now a lot of spam is sent from small offshore countries,
> >>but according to some statistics a lot is sent from big developed
> >>countries too.
> 
> MR> The U.S. and China are 1-2 according to Spamhaus, the UK-based antispam
> MR> organization:
> MR> http://www.spamhaus.org/statistics.lasso
> MR> The #1 spam support network is MCI (United States), followed by Kornet
> MR> (Korea).
> 
> :-( even more reason the bad CAN-SPAM act be changed to opt-in
> policy... I am not fond of receiving mortgage offers from US when I
> live in Europe ;-)

You're lucky!  Apparently, my genitals are so small that most of the 
"civilised" world knows about it.

And I haven't got a Rolaax.  Whatever one of those is.

mike

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RE: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Huh? the black ones DON'T age as gracefully and as
such, are extremely rare in true mint condition. That,
combined with the fact they are often ( but not always )
the rarer color version to begin with combined with
the fact they are better looking than chrome (when mint) makes
them often quite valuable. If the black was durable or
aged gracefully, there would not be such a premium for the
true mint black cameras that there is.
JCO

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From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:06 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: My new black MX



- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt"
Subject: RE: My new black MX


> Why is the black one (like my firts Pentax MX) so desireable? It's 
> thesame camera, isn't it? And the chrome surface is much stronger and 
> less liable to get scratches
> etc.
> The black one sure is pretty! Is that it?

I think your last sentence sums it up well.
I've owned 3 MX's now, 2 were chrome, and now the black one. The black
body is, I am pretty sure, enameled brass, while the chrome 
ones are actually plated aluminium.
Black cameras seem to age more gracefully.

William Robb 




Re: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Cassino
Thanks - that's exactly what I was wondering. I'll probably try it - though 
with plenty of regular B&W on hand, I'm not sure why :-)

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Chan Yong Wei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film


I hope I haven't misunderstood what you're saying; but I've heard on
some places (probably photo.net) that one can develop XP2 with
conventional/traditional B&W developers, and have it come out looking
more or less like regular negatives.
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:59:28 -0500, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
On a tangential note - I've been experimenting with developing C41 color 
in
traditional B&W developers, and then extracting the silver image by
scanning. Produces some interesting results. I should probably try this 
with
XP2 Super - the major problem with the color film is the orange mask, and
I'd be curious to see what sort of mask the XP2 comes out when handled 
(or
mishandled) in this manner.

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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- Original Message -
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film
>
>  Highlights are compressed at 200 but that's a small price to pay for
>  clean shadows. Originally I was shooting XP2 at 400 ASA as the
>  recommended optimum sensitivity. Darker shadows than 2 EVs then
>  comes out with blotchy, irregular grain. And it's grain all right
>  not just noise introduced by the tone expansion, as it is obvious on
>  the optical prints as well.
>
>  Servus,  Alin
>
> Godfrey wrote:
> GD> My experience with XP2 says that you were overexposing it too
> GD> much at ASA 200, compressing tonal scale quite a lot. I found it
> GD> best in the range ASA 320 to 640. Going down to 200-250 produces
> GD> very flat negative: all the highlights are compressed.
>
> GD> Yes, underexposing it creates grainier images.
>
> GD> Compensation for the compressed histogram by scanning to 16bit
> GD> and then adjusting the gamma curve. It's amazing how much data
> GD> can be pulled out of a thin negative if you work at it.
>
>
>
>





Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Cassino
Sweet
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss" 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: My new black MX


Well, kids, I think I see why people like this camera so much.
I just needed the pro model to realize it.
Have a peak if you like.
Be warned, the page is around 400kb.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/blackmx/blackmx.html
William Robb




Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread pnstenquist
Speaking of macro, Mark Cassino's latest snowflake pics were shot with the 
*istD.
Paul


> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> Subject: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)
> 
> 
> > Will the Pentax dslr siblings work well with extension tubes and 
> > other
> > close-up gear like the helicoid focusing adapter?  I rarely do any 
> > macro
> > work, but sometimes like to get close to show detail for eBay sales 
> > or to
> > just get a little closer or less DOF when using some lenses in the 
> > 85mm -
> > 200mm range.  If I wanted a wide-ish zoom, which would be a good 
> > choice for
> > close-up work?  Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these 
> > cameras?
> > How'd it work out?
> 
> I routinely use a bellows on my istD. You need to put a short 
> extension tube between the bellows and the camera body to allow the 
> bellows to clear the prism projection.
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/istD_bellows.html
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> 



RE: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh? the black ones DON'T age as gracefully and as
> such, are extremely rare in true mint condition. That,
> combined with the fact they are often ( but not always )
> the rarer color version to begin with combined with
> the fact they are better looking than chrome (when mint) makes
> them often quite valuable. If the black was durable or
> aged gracefully, there would not be such a premium for the
> true mint black cameras that there is.

I never sought a black camera because I thought it looked
"professional" or was "rare" or "more unobtrusive", or anything
like that. I just like the way a fine black laquer paint job
looks and feels, and I like they way they look when they get a
bit older and have wear marks from handling.

My Nikon FMs were like that ... I bought both of them used, and
used them for 19 years. Where the black was gone was where my
fingers had carried it away. The dings and dents, scratches and
marks gave them an individual personality that was appealing. 

Godfrey




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RE: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
To each his own I guess. I think the brassing
is very ugly looking on black bodies and the non-brassed black cameras
are stunning looking. Hence a huge premium for the
true mint black bodies from me and I don't think
I am alone in that assessment. The worn black cameras
do absolutely nothing for me, I want them with like new
finish or I don't want them at all.

I never stated I wanted them BECAUSE they are rare or professional.
I like them purely for "looks" too but if theyre worn/brassed the
looks aint there so they are worthless to me in that respect. The
rarity is the rarity. It affects the price whether you care about
rarity or not.

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:08 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: My new black MX


--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh? the black ones DON'T age as gracefully and as
> such, are extremely rare in true mint condition. That, combined with 
> the fact they are often ( but not always ) the rarer color version to 
> begin with combined with the fact they are better looking than chrome 
> (when mint) makes them often quite valuable. If the black was durable 
> or aged gracefully, there would not be such a premium for the
> true mint black cameras that there is.

I never sought a black camera because I thought it looked "professional"
or was "rare" or "more unobtrusive", or anything like that. I just like
the way a fine black laquer paint job looks and feels, and I like they
way they look when they get a bit older and have wear marks from
handling.

My Nikon FMs were like that ... I bought both of them used, and used
them for 19 years. Where the black was gone was where my fingers had
carried it away. The dings and dents, scratches and marks gave them an
individual personality that was appealing. 

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RE: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Whether or not they age gracefully is a matter of opinion and preference. 
There are quite a few people who love the look of a brassed black camera,
and some who go out of their way to find them.  Beauty is in the eye of the
beholder ... and, just as a point of interest, there's a premium for true
mint chrome cameras as well.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Huh? the black ones DON'T age as gracefully and as
> such, are extremely rare in true mint condition. That,
> combined with the fact they are often ( but not always )
> the rarer color version to begin with combined with
> the fact they are better looking than chrome (when mint) makes
> them often quite valuable. If the black was durable or
> aged gracefully, there would not be such a premium for the
> true mint black cameras that there is.
> JCO




Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Cassino
I think you can more or less use any of your existing macro gear with the 
*ist-es. I use a bellows but always shudder at the thought of how much dust 
etc a bellows unit can harbor - all the more stuff to get on the sensor. 
With my bellows setup, I mount the bellows etc first, add the camera last 
and make sure it is always above the bellows set.

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:36 AM
Subject: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)


Will the Pentax dslr siblings work well with extension tubes and other
close-up gear like the helicoid focusing adapter?  I rarely do any macro
work, but sometimes like to get close to show detail for eBay sales or to
just get a little closer or less DOF when using some lenses in the 85mm -
200mm range.  If I wanted a wide-ish zoom, which would be a good choice 
for
close-up work?  Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these cameras?
How'd it work out?

Shel




Re: PESO_--_Before the Storm

2005-03-01 Thread Jim Hemenway
Nice looking dog.  :-)
Jim
Peter J. Alling wrote:
Well as someone else, I believe it was Butch Black mentioned we're 
getting our weekly 6-8 inch snowstorm, earlier
this after noon I took the dog for a walk on the beach and as is my wont 
I carried a camera.  This is one of the more
interesting photos I captured.  (It was a productive expedition).

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_bts1.html
Technical Information:
Pentax *ist-D iso 800 1/650sec
smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 @ 210mm f8.0
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.



Re: Bulk "inbox"

2005-03-01 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Jon..It's a benign nuisance, but a simple fix
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Jack

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Re: PAW: US president Bush in Slovakia

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
Now this is truly offensive.  I've respected Albano in the past but he's
just hit my kill file.
I hope he enjoys Bruce's company.
Albano Garcia wrote:
Sad you didn't had a good snipper rifle :-(
--- Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

sorry, no political content... ;-)
just a quick one from the many photos I took at the
Bush-Putin summit.
http://www.frantisekvlcek.com/paw
This is from Hviezdoslav's square, the only place
those without the
restricted pool access got to shoot Bush. Putin was
easier, less
restrictions on pool access (easier to get in) so we
got to more
actions. For the oh so many photographers and TV
crews, there were
about 30 places only for most pools at start. Talk
about control of
public image - all events like this are
choreographed to look good.
It was quite interesting to walk behind the scenes
before they were
prepared (like the few parts of secured square night
before the speech
they allowed us), some of it will get to the gallery
page once I do
it.
(I got a new domainname as you can see. It just
points back to the old
pages at this moment, but I love the way that it
even translates the
sub path, like .com/paw, into the same path on the
fileserver. Makes
it a lot easier to tell links. I didn't know that
works. I hope it
works for all though, comments welcome).
Good light!
  fra
   


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Photography & Graphic Design
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PESO: On My Way to Work

2005-03-01 Thread Rick Womer
Here in Philly yesterday's snow was very sticky.  I
walk a mile to work, and my route passes through a
small park on the Penn campus. The scenery made it
worth being a few minutes late!

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3160381

Someday I'd like to play with this in PS to brighten
the left side a bit, but not today!

Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO_--_Before the Storm

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
Thanks for the comment.  It was difficult I was trying to retain the 
detail in the skirt.  I couldn't get the balance just right.  When 
contrast in the whole image looked good the dress, (and blue jacket for 
that matter were almost completely black, I'll have to work on it some 
more).

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
--- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_bts1.html
Pentax *ist-D iso 800 1/650sec
smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 @ 210mm f8.0
   

I like the feel of this photo. Perhaps a touch more contrast
would be nice. 

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Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Joe Wilensky
Yes, I love the black MX too -- unfortunately, the one I had was the 
one where a meter resistor or something went kaput. I had a chrome 
MX, too, but I've since sold both.I do have a well-worn black 
Spotmatic, a black ESII, and the black Super A, which I think looks a 
lot nicer than the Super Program. From what I've seen, the black 
Program A looks far nicer than the Program Plus, which is an odd 
black-and-chrome hodgepodge of a camera design.

Joe

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Well, kids, I think I see why people like this camera so much.
I just needed the pro model to realize it.
Have a peak if you like.
Be warned, the page is around 400kb.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/blackmx/blackmx.html
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Wrist Grip for Camera

2005-03-01 Thread Larry Levy
When I first got my ist D, I knew that I would opt to add the Battery Grip. 
I was used to the Hand Grip F on my Z-1, and there wasn't any place for the 
rest of my hand on the ist D body. The Battery Grip was great, giving me the 
additional benefit of more power and a vertical shutter release. However, I 
missed the hand strap aspect of the Hand Grip F.

I began the search for a similar strap for my hand.that would work on the 
ist D with the Battery Grip in place. I found the Op/Tech Grip Camera Strap. 
It wraps around both hand and wrist and appeared quite effective. I didn't 
like the look or feel and thought that I might find it too warm in Texas 
summers. I looked further.

I found the Hakuba line. They produce the Hand Grip Strap featured on ebay 
3877946031. I thought this too flimsy and looked at the Grip-PH (model 
KGP-01). This fits around bth hand and wrist and provides enhanced grip and 
support. I also liked the way it looks and feels. It does not interfere with 
my access to the CompactFlash.

I've been using it for several months. It's even more secure in feel than 
the Z-1's Hand Grip.

Note: Hakuba's directons depict attaching the camera shoulder strap to the 
open slot on the other end of the hand grip attachment screw mount. I wasn't 
happy with the idea of the camera hanging vertically from my neck (as this 
set-up would require). In stead of attaching the camera shoulder strap to 
this slot, I attached it to the same camera strap fixture to which I had 
attached the Grip-PH. This replicates, in principal, the way the Hand Grip F 
and the strap are attached to my Z-1. It works well for me.

I highly recommed the Hakuba Grip-PH.
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Re: PESO: On My Way to Work

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
Nice, high key, photo.  Nice detail in the snow, could stand to be a bit 
brighter, (that could be my monitor),
needless to say it would be a damn site more pleasant if it were earlier 
in the season.

Rick Womer wrote:
Here in Philly yesterday's snow was very sticky.  I
walk a mile to work, and my route passes through a
small park on the Penn campus. The scenery made it
worth being a few minutes late!
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3160381
Someday I'd like to play with this in PS to brighten
the left side a bit, but not today!
Comments welcome.
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Re: March PUG comments

2005-03-01 Thread DagT
Thanks!
It´s the kind of picture that used some time, but now I´m quite happy 
with it.  A friend of mine called it "the introvert and the extrovert", 
which is a good description of the boys :-)

DagT
På 1. mar. 2005 kl. 14.02 skrev Henk Terhell:
)-(: the reflection on the water surface as well as the concentration 
on
the faces of the kids makes this a very special picture.



Re: OT: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Jostein
Quoting Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Interestingly your post came directly from the list 
> server to charter.net where  it passed through 3 
> servers before going to my mailbox. 

Still, those are servers at the delivery endpoint. What if there are services
that sift the mail at major routing crossroads? Firewall software, for example,
can sift mail even though it supposedly work at protocol level.

Jostein


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Re: Grip for *isDS?

2005-03-01 Thread Jim Hemenway
Thanks, Jens, Godfrey and Larry:
I'll look into the Hakuba line.
Jim



Re: March PUG comments

2005-03-01 Thread brooksdj
Thanks for your comment.

I only added a touch,maybe a tad was called for 

Dave Brooks 

> Let me try to say some words about 
each of the March PUG pictures
> because these are all too valuable. Don't see my comments as nitpicking
> - I like all these pictures.
> 


> Gate: quite a contrast to the previous picture. Composition and exposure
> is well done. Perhaps the addition of blue has been too much because the
> barn and the wood from the fence have also become bluish.


> Henk





Re: Re[3]: C 41 B&W film

2005-03-01 Thread brooksdj
> I hope I haven't misunderstood what 
you're saying; but I've heard on
> some places (probably photo.net) that one can develop XP2 with
> conventional/traditional B&W developers, and have it come out looking
> more or less like regular negatives.

Someone in our darkroom class last winter shot a roll of the kodak C41 film,not 
realizing
it was not
"traditional" B&W film, and developed it in the Tmax soup our instructor made 
for the
night.

Results were total destruction.No usable images.

Dave




Re: PESO_--_Before the Storm

2005-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Think adjustment layers and masks, if you're using Photoshop. 
;-)

Godfrey

--- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for the comment.  It was difficult I was trying to
> retain the 
> detail in the skirt.  I couldn't get the balance just right. 
> When 
> contrast in the whole image looked good the dress, (and blue
> jacket for 
> that matter were almost completely black, I'll have to work on
> it some 
> more).
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> >--- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_bts1.html
> >>
> >>Pentax *ist-D iso 800 1/650sec
> >>smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 @ 210mm f8.0
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I like the feel of this photo. Perhaps a touch more contrast
> >would be nice. 
> >
> >Godfrey
> >
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> During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of
> buildings 
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on
> during peacetime.
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> 
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Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Andre Langevin
 >
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/blackmx/blackmx.html
Pornography! That's what that is!
A case would be appropriate but at least put a cap on the lens!
I'm pretty sure you will use the small leather thingies to avoid 
brassing the corners.

IIRC the ones with serial numbers starting with 9 are the earlier 
ones and those starting with 4 the newer ones. Just the opposite of 
what you might think. Some folks feel most of the changes were to 
make the newer ones (4) cheaper to manufacture.

graywolf
Mostly although a gold plated aperture resistor has replaced the 
carbon one on the new MX.

From an Alan Chan 2002 post:
Old:
black colour hot shoe
black colour metal memo holder
"ASAHI OPT.CO., JAPAN" engraved on the top plate
sharper edges on the top plate
painted characters on the battery cover
light seal on both the top and bottom of the camera back
circuit board on the prism has 4 switches
carbon variable aperture resistor
matt black inside the camera back 

New:
silver colour hot shoe
plastic memo holder
"ASAHI OPT.CO., JAPAN" molded on the plastic memo holder
light seal on the top of the camera back only
circuit board on the prism has 2 switches only (or 1?, can't remember)
gold plated variable aperture resistor
semi-gloss black inside the camera black 

Many components inside are different too. So there is no doubt MX received
 some revisions over its lifetime, just like many other Pentax cameras. If I
 am correct, the MX service manual that we have, refers to the original
 version of MX (because the 4 switches IC looks identical). 


I have been told you access the curtains adjustment more easily in 
one of the model?  Is this true Alan?

Andre


Re: PAW: US president Bush in Slovakia

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
You know you're getting old when you have to respond to your own posts 
to clarify,
that's Bruce Rubenstein, not any other Bruce, by the way, no offense 
intended...
Except to Albano.

Peter J. Alling wrote:
Now this is truly offensive.  I've respected Albano in the past but he's
just hit my kill file.
I hope he enjoys Bruce's company.
Albano Garcia wrote:
Sad you didn't had a good snipper rifle :-(
--- Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

sorry, no political content... ;-)
just a quick one from the many photos I took at the
Bush-Putin summit.
http://www.frantisekvlcek.com/paw
This is from Hviezdoslav's square, the only place
those without the
restricted pool access got to shoot Bush. Putin was
easier, less
restrictions on pool access (easier to get in) so we
got to more
actions. For the oh so many photographers and TV
crews, there were
about 30 places only for most pools at start. Talk
about control of
public image - all events like this are
choreographed to look good.
It was quite interesting to walk behind the scenes
before they were
prepared (like the few parts of secured square night
before the speech
they allowed us), some of it will get to the gallery
page once I do
it.
(I got a new domainname as you can see. It just
points back to the old
pages at this moment, but I love the way that it
even translates the
sub path, like .com/paw, into the same path on the
fileserver. Makes
it a lot easier to tell links. I didn't know that
works. I hope it
works for all though, comments welcome).
Good light!
  fra
  

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Photography & Graphic Design
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Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?

2005-03-01 Thread David Oswald
Just another thought.  Shooting with "Bright" mode is more contrasty 
(and thus less exposure-latitude forgiving) than shooting in "Naural" 
mode.  Also along those lines, reducing the contrast control a little 
will help to increase exposure latitude.  It doesn't hurt anything 
(especially when shooting jpg's) to shoot with less contrast, less 
brilliance in natural / reduced contrast settings, because the 
information is still there, and can be punched up with Photoshop pretty 
easily.  On the other hand, if you use too much contrast, combined with 
the bright mode, you'll burn out the image more easily, and that cannot 
be recovered in Photoshop.


Jens Bladt wrote:
Try underexposing, shoot RAW and take care of things in a suitable RAW
converter (like C1).
That's how I deal with latidtude. It's not perfect, but it works. I have
saved underexposed shots (which I could in fact sell), which on film would
have been at least close to useless.
Jens
Jens Bladt
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Fra: David Zaninovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 28. februar 2005 16:28
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?
I would be more happy if they worked on more exposure latitude than more
megapixels.  D has much less exposure latitude than Astia
100F.  I can't take any pictures at noon like I could with Astia. :)  Astia
was great, but digital wins in every other aspect except
exposure latitude for me.  Maybe I should try using my AF360 set on contrast
control, does that help ?
- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?

Of course I wasn't suggesting it was the camera to switch systems for.
Like
I'd be that bold! I'm suggesting that DSLR manufacturers need to stay
somewhat competitive in emerging markets as well.
This newcomer is pretty much the same size (and lighter) as the ist DS,
and
at 8mp, and cheaper than most of the 6.3mp's around now (the ist DS is
slightly cheaper, but people often go "it's a hundred dollars more, but
it's
2 megapixels more!"), it's definitely going to be very tempting to an SLR
virgin. Not to mention the price is list price, it often comes out cheaper
doesn't it?
I think it's exciting news because unlike with the 20D, it looks like this
is a direct assault on the competition's strong markets (ist D, ist DS,
D70).
I also think it's pretty astute of Canon not to shoot themselves in the
foot
like Nikon did with the D70 making the D100 more or less obsolete (the
350D
has an 8.0mp sensor, while the 20D still hangs on to its 8.3mp).
Bottom line, I want to know which battle Pentax (actually Nikon too for
that
matter) will choose to fight. Can they take on the 20D? I'm not even sure
they've got the scale to take on the 350D in terms of price! I'd much
rather
see a 10mp "ist Dx" than them cut the ist ds price in half..
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message -
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ryan Lee" 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: Hmm.. ist DS competition?

 The too small viewfinder denies the other main reason for operating
 a DSLR. No true spot meter either. Certainly not the camera to
 switch systems for.
 Servus,  Alin
Ryan wrote:
RL> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos350d/
RL> Canon 350D: About the same dimensions as the ist DS, 60g lighter,
and
8
RL> megapixels. Thoughts?







Re: PAW: Willy the Springer Spaniel

2005-03-01 Thread brooksdj
 Very nice shot Paul.
Exposure looks bang on.

Cute guy.

S...I see you like the Sigma flash.:-)

Dave
> > >  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > > > I've struggled to get a decent picture of Willy
> > > for
> > > > quite some time. Yesterday I got him to sit still
> > > on
> > > > the stairs for a few moments. He's getting on in
> > > > years now, but he's still quite handsome. Shot him
> > > > with the FA 50/1.4 at f8 and a single flash
> > > bounced
> > > > off the ceiling. (This is one of the nice things
> > > > about the Sigma EX-500 DG Super. The head rotates,
> > > > so you can do a ceiling bounce in vertical
> > > > position.) Willy is here:
> > > >
> > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3152929





RE: Four PUG comments

2005-03-01 Thread Henk Terhell
Dave, and also Paul, thanks for your comments. I found myself the
picture a bit on the blue side, but the winter light was very grey at
the time.

Henk

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 February, 2005 3:14 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Four PUG comments


Hey gang.

I thought i would comment on a few of this months Pug's. Once again, a
great job, and some lovely 
pictures. Planning on commenting on more later, just these for now,:

--
"Little Thumb"
by Henk Terhell

Very nice statue. I like the detail in the giant. Nice colours and i
like the transition from rock to trees.



Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Gee, I was thinking of the field of view that would result from the 24~35
lens.  Perhaps I should have been more specific: How was the image quality?
And since the discussion centered around close focusing, comments on that
lens wrt close focusing using extension tubes, bellows, etc., was what I
was looking for.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these cameras? 
> > How'd  it work out?
>
> It all depends on what field of view you want. A 24-35mm zoom
> lens on the D/Ds gives you field of view equivalent to a 35-50mm
> zoom in 135 format. 




Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks Bill  good to know.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> I routinely use a bellows on my istD. You need to put a short 
> extension tube between the bellows and the camera body to allow the 
> bellows to clear the prism projection.
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/istD_bellows.html
>
> William Robb 
>




Re: Wrist Grip for Camera

2005-03-01 Thread Andre Langevin
I highly recommed the Hakuba Grip-PH.
Larry in Dallas
Thanks for the info Larry.  I will get one.
Andre


Re: PAW: Willy the Springer Spaniel

2005-03-01 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Dave. Yes, I do like the Sigma flash. It fully supports all the *istD 
flash capabilities and seems to do so with great accuracy.
Paul


>  Very nice shot Paul.
> Exposure looks bang on.
> 
> Cute guy.
> 
> S...I see you like the Sigma flash.:-)
> 
> Dave  
> > > >  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > > > > I've struggled to get a decent picture of Willy
> > > > for
> > > > > quite some time. Yesterday I got him to sit still
> > > > on
> > > > > the stairs for a few moments. He's getting on in
> > > > > years now, but he's still quite handsome. Shot him
> > > > > with the FA 50/1.4 at f8 and a single flash
> > > > bounced
> > > > > off the ceiling. (This is one of the nice things
> > > > > about the Sigma EX-500 DG Super. The head rotates,
> > > > > so you can do a ceiling bounce in vertical
> > > > > position.) Willy is here:
> > > > >
> > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3152929
>   
> 
> 



Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Well, I don't know that particular lens. If it performs well on
a 24x36mm body, I don't see any reason it wouldn't perform well
on the D/DS. 

I don't quite understand the hesitancy underlying all these
questions, Shel. If you want a digital SLR camera and want to
take advantage of your existing lenses, 
why don't you just get a D/DS and sort through your lens
collection, picking the lenses that work for you? It's not like
$700 is such a massive amount of money that you need another
mortgage on the house, and you can recover 95% or more if you
found you didn't really like working with a digital SLR. 

All of the Pentax lenses I've put on the DS have proven to work
very nicely indeed,  and the body has proven capable of
producing excellent image quality given a good lens. Everything
works as one who has been working with 35mm SLRs for 40 years
would expect, that's what I like about it. 

Godfrey

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gee, I was thinking of the field of view that would result
> from the 24~35
> lens.  Perhaps I should have been more specific: How was the
> image quality?
> And since the discussion centered around close focusing,
> comments on that
> lens wrt close focusing using extension tubes, bellows, etc.,
> was what I
> was looking for.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > > Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these cameras? 
> > > How'd  it work out?
> >
> > It all depends on what field of view you want. A 24-35mm
> zoom
> > lens on the D/Ds gives you field of view equivalent to a
> 35-50mm
> > zoom in 135 format. 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: Lost E-mails

2005-03-01 Thread Bob W
Hi,

> You're lucky!  Apparently, my genitals are so small that most of
> the "civilised" world knows about it.

> And I haven't got a Rolaax.  Whatever one of those is.

It's something for people with enormous genitals, who don't need
v1agra.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

(I haven't got one either)



Photo Paper (Darkroom Type)

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Cassino
I don't know if anyone here still prints in the darkroom, but I have 3 
packages of darkroom photo paper that I'd gladly send off to anyone who 
wants it (and will pay the shipping.)  I got this stuff from my father's 
estate, so I have no idea how old it is, how it has been stored, if he open 
up the box in the daylight and meant to toss it, or what...  He was usually 
pretty circumspect about storing things properly.

Anyhow, we have a 100 pack of Ilford Multigrade IV fiber, 8x10, at least 
half full, and two packs of Kodak Elite Fine Art Paper - premium weight, 
8x10. One pack opened, the other still sealed shut, 35 sheets per. I don't 
know how much of the open pack is still there, it fills pretty full.

Anyhow - who ever wants it and will pay the postage can have it - first come 
first served basis. This is with no guarantee - it might be ruined for all I 
know.

To figure up shipping - I live in zip code 49006, the combined bundles of 
paper weight about 5.75 lbs.  The calculator at www.usps.com will give you 
the rate from there.

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Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 3:28:12 PM, Shel wrote:

> Whether or not they age gracefully is a matter of opinion and preference.
> There are quite a few people who love the look of a brassed black camera,
> and some who go out of their way to find them.  Beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder ... and, just as a point of interest, there's a premium for true
> mint chrome cameras as well.

Contax made it a selling point of the RXs that the black paint was
designed to wear nicely with use to reveal the brass underneath.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



OT: John Shaw Photography Weekend

2005-03-01 Thread Eactivist
I thought some of you might be interested in hearing about the John Shaw 
Photography Weekend I just attended (in Berkeley). He holds these weekends in 
major cities around the U.S. It is sponsored by Joseph Van Os Photo Safaris 
that 
also does photo tours (some of which John Shaw also âleadsâ).

I thought, if nothing else, some of you might like to know the 
equipment/software he recommends and the equipment/software he uses.

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/johnshaw.htm

This started getting really wordy, so I decided to web page it instead of 
just posting it.
Some of you may remember me mentioning I might do this. Well, I did. :-) I 
wrote up my impressions, his recommendations/equipment lists, etc. in MS Word, 
then saved it as a web page. (And then made some additions to the saved web 
page, so there might be some html errors.) Word adds a lot of formatting, so I 
hope it doesn't mess up anyone's browser.

Enjoy!

Doe aka Marnie :-)




 



Re: +1 EV

2005-03-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> If I am shooting with ISO 1600  f2.8  shutter 250 and 200mm with *ist D
> and I wish and extra bit of light, will adjusting EV help.
> Does it at 1 stop (1.4) or subtract from the shutter speed

As Paul said, you can see it on the VF; it could even do portions (say
half and half) of each (like 180 f2.5, which I doubt for a 200mm
lens). I am only writing to say that one stop up from 2.8 is 2 :-)

The above clearly assumes some program mode.

Kostas



Re: OT: John Shaw Photography Weekend

2005-03-01 Thread Ryan Brooks

Enjoy!
Doe aka Marnie :-)
 

Very useful.. Thank you.
-Ryan


 




Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread Bill Owens
Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early next. 
There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc says 3-4 
days in the hospital.

Bill 




Re: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread Peter J. Alling
Good luck Bill, Hope everything comes out all right...
Bill Owens wrote:
Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early 
next. There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc 
says 3-4 days in the hospital.

Bill


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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
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Re: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread pnstenquist
Good luck with the doc, Bill. And hurry back.
Paul


> Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early next. 
> There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc says 3-4 
> days in the hospital.
> 
> Bill 
> 
> 



Re: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/1/2005 12:28:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early next. 
There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc says 3-4 
days in the hospital.

Bill 
==
Oh -- good luck! And a quick recovery.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Cassino
Good luck, Bill - hope to you're back on line soon.
- MCC
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Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: Later guys and gals


Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early next. 
There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc says 3-4 
days in the hospital.

Bill




Re: John Shaw Photography Weekend

2005-03-01 Thread Mark Cassino
Excellent summary and lots of good info, Marnie. I pretty regularly consult 
John Shaw's books, and it sounds like his seminars take things to the next 
level.

- MCC
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Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: OT: John Shaw Photography Weekend


I thought some of you might be interested in hearing about the John Shaw
Photography Weekend I just attended (in Berkeley). He holds these weekends 
in
major cities around the U.S. It is sponsored by Joseph Van Os Photo 
Safaris that
also does photo tours (some of which John Shaw also âleadsâ).

I thought, if nothing else, some of you might like to know the
equipment/software he recommends and the equipment/software he uses.
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/johnshaw.htm
This started getting really wordy, so I decided to web page it instead of
just posting it.
Some of you may remember me mentioning I might do this. Well, I did. :-) I
wrote up my impressions, his recommendations/equipment lists, etc. in MS 
Word,
then saved it as a web page. (And then made some additions to the saved 
web
page, so there might be some html errors.) Word adds a lot of formatting, 
so I
hope it doesn't mess up anyone's browser.

Enjoy!
Doe aka Marnie :-)






SV: +1 EV

2005-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
You can set the *ist D to 3200 ISO. Go to the menu and dial in wide
sensitivity range.
If this is what you mena by "getting more light"? This actually means you'll
get half the light=higher "film speed".
Alternativly you can set exp. correction to minus 1, which will give you the
same result= underwsposing the "1600-film" by one stop or the same as
shifting to 3200 ASA. If you want less than one full stop, you can set E.C.
to minus 0.3 or minus 0.7.
Regards
Jens

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. marts 2005 13:05
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: +1 EV


If I am shooting with ISO 1600  f2.8  shutter 250 and 200mm with *ist D
and I wish and extra bit of light, will adjusting EV help.
Does it at 1 stop (1.4) or subtract from the shutter speed?

Kind regards
Kevin

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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."




RE: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread Don Sanderson
Best of luck Bill, hear from you soon.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Later guys and gals
>
>
> Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or
> early next.
> There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc says 3-4
> days in the hospital.
>
> Bill
>
>



RE: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
For non critical/artistic work like you describe, I suggest you buy a 2 x
macro converter. I have the a Kenko 2 x KAX macro Teleplus MC7, which can be
adjusted to different magnification from 1:1.15 to 1:20. Very nice and
inexpensive.
A nice tele zoom (like my Tokina 1:4.5/80-200mm) with a macro function/-
range actually works pretty well too. It's for sale. BTW. They both work
well with the *ist D - so does Pentax-A Bellows, BTW.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. marts 2005 14:50
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)


--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Will the Pentax dslr siblings work well with extension tubes
and
> other close-up gear like the helicoid focusing adapter?  I
rarely
> do any macro work, but sometimes like to get close to show
detail
> for eBay sales or to just get a little closer or less DOF when
> using some lenses in the 85mm - 200mm range.

They work just like any other SLR does.

> ... If I wanted a
> wide-ish zoom, which would be a good choice for close-up work?

> Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these cameras? How'd
it
> work out?

It all depends on what field of view you want. A 24-35mm zoom
lens on the D/Ds gives you field of view equivalent to a 35-50mm
zoom in 135 format. The DA16-45 works very well as a wide to
normal zoom and focuses very close.

Godfrey

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RE: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)

2005-03-01 Thread Jens Bladt
continued:
This Danish 20kr coin (app. 3 USD) was shot with Bellows/*ist D:
http://www.fotokritik.dk/visstort.html?pic=110486

This was shot with the Tokina 80-200mm, handheld:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/4773833/

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


For non critical/artistic work like you describe, I suggest you buy a 2 x
macro converter. I have the a Kenko 2 x KAX macro Teleplus MC7, which can be
adjusted to different magnification from 1:1.15 to 1:20. Very nice and
inexpensive.
A nice tele zoom (like my Tokina 1:4.5/80-200mm) with a macro function/-
range actually works pretty well too. It's for sale. BTW. They both work
well with the *ist D - so does Pentax-A Bellows, BTW.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. marts 2005 14:50
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Close Focusing, Macro with istD(s)


--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Will the Pentax dslr siblings work well with extension tubes
and
> other close-up gear like the helicoid focusing adapter?  I
rarely
> do any macro work, but sometimes like to get close to show
detail
> for eBay sales or to just get a little closer or less DOF when
> using some lenses in the 85mm - 200mm range.

They work just like any other SLR does.

> ... If I wanted a
> wide-ish zoom, which would be a good choice for close-up work?

> Has anyone use the M24~35 zoom on one of these cameras? How'd
it
> work out?

It all depends on what field of view you want. A 24-35mm zoom
lens on the D/Ds gives you field of view equivalent to a 35-50mm
zoom in 135 format. The DA16-45 works very well as a wide to
normal zoom and focuses very close.

Godfrey

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RE: Bris PDML follow up...

2005-03-01 Thread Tan and Steve

Hey John!

Thanks so much for the invitation, but I won't be able to make it today.
Wednesdays are a big day for us, and regrettably I just won't be able to
squeeze it in.  Have a coffee for me though!

Also, thanks for uploading those shots from the exhibition for me, they look
great!  I particularly like the look of us little people standing in front
of that great big wall!  Next time I will have to not be so lazy and bring
my camera!

hugs,
tan. :)

Tanya Mayer Photography

Brisbane, Qld, Australia
www.tanyamayer.com
Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549
Mobile +61 0437831247

-Original Message-
From: John Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 5:32 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Bris PDML follow up...


Hi Tan - still struggling to find time!  Yet another order received today,
so why won't these guys leave me alone! 

John Coyle
Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com)
Brisbane, Australia
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From: "Tan and Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:27 PM
Subject: Bris PDML follow up...


>
> Hey John and Ryan!
>
> Any pics from Friday yet?  Hope you had a great time, I know that I did!
>
> tan. :)
>
>




Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread Frantisek

Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 4:23:18 PM, J. wrote:
JCOC> To each his own I guess. I think the brassing

Ehm. I am sorry then ;-) I was responding too fast.

Frantisek




Re: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Looks nice, Bill.  Is it an early or late model (serial #start with a 4 or
> a 9?)
> 
> I've got a couple and really enjoy them, much more so than the LX.  They
> feel different somehow than the chrome models.


And they *look* SO much better!

ERNR
owns a black MX; never for a moment considered a chrome one



RE: My new black MX

2005-03-01 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Why is the black one (like my firts Pentax MX) so desireable?
> It's thesame camera, isn't it?
> And the chrome surface is much stronger and less liable to get scratches
> etc.
> The black one sure is pretty! Is that it?


Well, for me, yes, that's it. The black one sure is pretty. The chrome one, 
in my view, rather UHHHgly.

ERNR





Re: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early next.
> 
> There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc says 3-4 
> days in the hospital.
> 
> Bill 
> 
> 
> 


Get well soon, Bill!

ERNR



Re: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread Jostein
Fingers crossed that all goes well, Bill.
Hope to have you back soon.
Cheers,
Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Later guys and gals


Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early 
next. There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow. 
Doc says 3-4 days in the hospital.

Bill



Re: PESO - One week in Israel

2005-03-01 Thread Jostein
Thanks, Bob.
There is arabic writing in the green part of the glass, so my guess 
too, is that it dates from the Byzantine period. The Crusades may be a 
bit early, but it's certainly possible. I'm sure there's some hard 
facts to be found about it somewhere on the web too, but tonight I'm 
too lazy to look it up...:-)

One idea for Elin (my daughter) could be to decorate her own window 
with washable colours for Easter. I will have to obtain a permission 
from the Ministry of Domestic Affairs first, though. I'd hate to wash 
and iron the curtains if it goes haywire.

Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.oksne.net/paw/israel/index.html
Very interesting. I particularly like the way you continue the line 
of
Roman columns with the industrial chimneys - nicely spotted.

Your daughter deserves her painted glass windows. Our old houses 
here
are full of them, but it is quite easy to learn.

The arch of that window may be due to the Crusaders. But the idea of
pointed arches was around in the Islamic world before it came into
European Gothic. So perhaps it was originally an Islamic building, 
as
it looks to be now. It is certainly not Roman.

--
Cheers,
Bob



Re: Later guys and gals

2005-03-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/3/05, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Later this evening I will be unsubbing until late this week or early next. 
>There is a real PIA that I hope will be corrected tomorrow.  Doc says 3-4 
>days in the hospital.

Hi Bill,

Offer the doc some of that Cherry Ale and he'll kick you out in half the
time ;-)

Get well soon.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO - One week in Israel

2005-03-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/3/05, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:

>One idea for Elin (my daughter) could be to decorate her own window 
>with washable colours for Easter. I will have to obtain a permission 
>from the Ministry of Domestic Affairs first, though. I'd hate to wash 
>and iron the curtains if it goes haywire.

If I may be so bold...? How about applying cellophane (clear plastic
film) to the window, and then applying colour to that? In fact, it can be
painted before applying to the window, perhaps on your light box ;-)




Cheers,
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Re: PESO - One week in Israel

2005-03-01 Thread Jostein
Thanks Dave,
one other thing that really surprised me about the light down there 
was that the light after sunset doesn't have the clear deep blueness 
we get up here. The transition to black night was through more 
grittish (if that's a real word...) colours.

Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - One week in Israel


Some nice pictures Jostein.
As Bob already mentioned, i to like the way you have framed up the 
colums and the smoke
stacks. The
window shot and the second sunset are also fantastic. I remember 
working in Oman,the sun
seemed
to set in just seconds.:-)

Dave
  >
In the early hours of Sunday, my family and I returned from a one 
week
vacation in Israel.
The link below is to six images, one for each of the full days we
spent there.

http://www.oksne.net/paw/israel/index.html
Many, many thanks to PDML'er Boris Liberman and family for their
hospitality.
Jostein





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