Re: PESO Evening on the Thames - the link!
Quite right. If one doesn't have anything useful to add, there's little point in adding it. But simple praise is useful on two levels. First, it shows that the picture worked, in that it elicited a positive response, and second, we all like a bit of praise occasionally. So, it works for me is worth adding, IMHO, whereas it didn't work for me is not helpful (without saying why), and is no more eloquent than silence. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 04:31:27 +0100, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:07:30 +0100, John Forbes wrote: The only comment I don't appreciate is a bald I don't like it, without saying exactly why. It may be a crap picture, but WHY? What makes it bad? Well, John, sometimes I just don't know why I like a photo or don't. I don't go about this art thing analytically. I do that in almost every other aspect of my life. Art either grabs me or it doesn't. It talks to me or it doesn't. I often don't know why. Sometimes I can guess, but sometimes I haven't any idea at all. So, unfortunately, sometimes all that I can say is It works (or doesn't work) for me. In fact, that's part of the reason I usually don't comment on-list about PAWs, PESOs, or whatever. I often don't have anything useful to add. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005
Re: Need PC Help for Digital Photography
If you have a 32bit setting, you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] display with your video card. It is normally assigned as three 8-bit bytes of a 32-bit long word, the fourth 8-bit byte is often used for alpha channel overlay stuff on some systems. It's simply more efficient to push around 32bit long-words than to push around smaller sized chunks of data. Sorry, this is technical stuff ... when one is discussing computer technology, there's only so simple it can be described as without losing meaning or going on for pages of descriptive information. Needless to say, for you: just set Highest - 32-bits and you'll be fine. Godfrey On Apr 25, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about. Far to technical for me. What's a quantization space? I never heard of [EMAIL PROTECTED] My display says the color quality is Highest -32-bits but I don't think I have a 24-bit video card. Maybe someone can explain this with a language other than technospeak. Thing is, I'm not a complete dolt about this. I know what it means to scan or shoot digital with 8, 12, 14, or 16bit color. Anyway, thanks for the explanation ... ;-((
Re: PESO Evening on the Thames - the link!
Thank you, Frank. John On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:43:53 +0100, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/05, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like to build up a bit of anticipation before releasing the URL. :-) http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/thames/_IGP0582.jpg That's very pretty. It could be on a postcard (and I mean that in a good way g). cheers, frank -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005
Re: Robert Doisneau's Classic Kiss photo up for auction
Mrs Bornet said she was selling her original print and other items to finance a film production company she wants to start with her husband. Assuming she was 18 in 1950, that makes her 73 now. And she's setting up a film production company. That's spirit for you. John On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:58:40 +0100, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Norman Baugher Subject: Robert Doisneau's Classic Kiss photo up for auction http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4481789.stm Glad she finally made something off that thing. Apparently, she recieved no residuals after Doisneau made big with that shot. William Robb -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005
Re: Robert Doisneau's Classic Kiss photo up for auction
Mrs Bornet said she was selling her original print and other items to finance a film production company she wants to start with her husband. Assuming she was 18 in 1950, that makes her 73 now. And she's setting up a film production company. That's spirit for you. Indeed. But hasn't she heard? Film is dead. - Peter
RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
I think that free beer is a type of Freedom. Your damn right it is, and down here in this bastion of democracy people will fight to the death for it. ;) ROFL ;~\
Re: PESO: Far Left Flowers
I like the first one better. Seems that the second one could have been really cool with the repeating pattern of the flower, but I think DOF is a problem with it. The first one is pretty cool with the second out of focus flower behind, sort of like a shadow of the first. The lighting is rather flat, as one would expect with a ringlight, but for this image it seems to work pretty well. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, April 25, 2005, 6:25:39 PM, you wrote: PS In the spirit of Marxist software, I offer a couple of far left PS flowers: bleeding hearts vbg. Seriously, these just bloomed today PS (after the weekend's foot of snow melted), so I used them to try out PS the ring light flash I bought from Christian. I used the ring light PS with my Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro. I like the device. It might be PS too harsh for some macro uses, but I think it will serve well for PS anything that's not highly reflective. I may also try it in the studio PS as fill in combination with some big lights and reflectors. In any PS case, here are the pinko flowers shot at approximately 1:2: PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310077 PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310084
RE: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Hi, http://www.linuxjournal.com/aggregator/sources/7?from=60 link broken. The GNU Project and Free Software Foundation (FSF) are based on a philosophy commonly referred to as the GNU Philosophy (can be read at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html) postulated and written in detail by Richard Stallman. The whole concept of free (open-source) software hovers around this very philosophical concept. While contemplating his glorious past, Stallman seemed to forget one very significant point about his philosophy: That he more closely symbolized Marxist ideas and thoughts therein. He tried edifying Marxist principles in software industry in the very realms of imperfect society without much understanding of Marx's real thoughts about improving society. This paper is a carefully laid down critique of GNU Philosophy in a manner as candor as possible pointing the many pitfalls of the superannuated GNU philosophy. Collin, it's just a bunch of people writing software for the hell of it. It's a philosophy of sharing and cooperation. However much you wrap up your dislike in pompous pseudo-profundity, it doesn't alter the fact that you don't know what Marxism is, you don't know what free software is and you don't know what you're talking about. http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10030 link broken. Viva Zapata, tovarishch! Bob
RE: PESO: Far Left Flowers
Hi Paul, A couple of things. First, I never knew there was aflower called a Bleeding Heart, so it's nice to have learned that and gotten to see an example of what it looks like. Not knowing what the flower looks like, its coloration, and so forth, I can't comment on how the blossoms responded to the flash. That said, the composition of the first pic works very well. It's as if the OOF background blossom is actually a reflection or shadow of the forward blossom. Very nicely framed. Finally, it looks like the bokeh on the Viv is a little harsh. Not annoyingly so,but, to my eye, it may not be the best bokeh for a photo such as this. Now, a question about using a macro lens in this situation. Isn't a macro lens designed for flat field work? If so, wouldn't a regular lens used with an extender or a bellows, or helicoil focusing device, be a better choice? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [...] I used the ring light with my Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro. I like the device. It might be too harsh for some macro uses [...] case, here are the pinko flowers shot at approximately 1:2: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310077 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310084
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... Jostein Quoting Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.oekonux.org/texts/marketrelations.html and there's more, if you want to talk seriously. Collin This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
For your perusal http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4367459.stm If that report mentioned the word film, then half the PDML would be happy to tell me (at great length) how film was dead. Or is it just me being cynical? :-) Chris
Re: Viewfinder's
Moy, If you have a lot of lenses, or plan to expand your current number, you should also consider the system filters from makes like Cokin, Lee, Singh-Ray or Tiffen. With these systems, you buy cheaper filter holders for each lens, and use the same filter on all lenses. This way, you can invest more in good filters because you need only one of each type. System filter holders are also indispensible for gradient filters. Of the lot, I personally would recommend Singh-Ray filters and Cokin holders. Another option is step-up rings. Buy the screw-in filters you want in the size to fit your largest diametre lens, and buy step-up rings to adapt the smaller lenses to the filter size. hth, Jostein Quoting MOY MACGILL [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am trying to find the best brand's of filters to buy. I am finely able to spend money,time so I would like to buy the best. I am collecting as many opinions, so I can make an informed decisions. Many Thanks From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Viewfinder's Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:54:44 -0600 - Original Message - From: MOY MACGILL Subject: Viewfinder's Q=1 Have you ever seen something that will let you change the angle to looking down? I saw one in an e-bay listing but they did not give a name to it. I could send the picture of the listing if that might help. Ref converter, or if you have an LX, the finder base and action finder. Q=2 The best filter's to buy are ? Ones that you find useful. William Robb This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
On 26 Apr 2005 at 8:40, Chris Stoddart wrote: For your perusal http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4367459.stm If that report mentioned the word film, then half the PDML would be happy to tell me (at great length) how film was dead. Or is it just me being cynical? :-) It simply says that their share price has fallen due to their lack of understanding of their market and hence the share markets reaction to their over enthusiastic profit predictions. Film is at least terminal. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: PAW - Bug
On Apr 26, 2005, at 12:54 AM, frank theriault wrote: What type of flower is that? The green in the centre matches the bug beautifully. Ranunculus. A yellow one :) Yes, I had to look up the spelling... Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: PAW - Bug
On Apr 26, 2005, at 7:52 AM, Frantisek wrote: Very good! I just wonder, did you soften the area around the bug, or is it just natural shallow DOF ;-) Shallow DOF. I shoot 35mm macro handheld most of the time so I'm usually at about f/4. In this case I was using 400 film so I've played with a few different ways to smooth out the grain in Photoshop without affecting the image itself. I'm intending to try re-scanning it with my Scanhancer at some stage. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Corrupt card recovery
On Apr 26, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Sorry to hear about your problem, Fra. It seems to have been a bad tech day all around. It's because there are currently no sunspots. Spaceweather.com shows a new one just coming onto the Earth-facing side of the Sun so everything should be OK in a couple of days. Cheers, - Dave (not entirely serious) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Digital printing kiosk quality
On Apr 26, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Brian Dunn wrote: Take an sRGB image, put it onto a CD, and go around to all the various printing kiosks and order some 4x6s. Amazing variance in results. Whites which go blue, blacks which go green, saturation and contrast cranked way up, colors which are more yellow, cyan, or red than the other machine at the next place, etc. I'd expect that a lot of machines would have auto-adjustment processes to enhance your photos. I'd also expect those features to be on by default. Looking forward to the day when you could bring an image anywhere and get more or less the same results... It will never happen :) Before I bought my inkjet printer I sent a test pic to a few different places for comparison. One was my regular camera shop with a big expensive D-Lab, another was a pro lab with a big expensive Lambda, a friend with a well-set-up Epson 2100 and another friend with a reasonably good consumer-level inkjet (don't remember the brand). In terms of colour reproduction, both of the inkjet printers bettered the labs by a significant margin. I bought my own Epson 2100 and never looked back. I do sometimes miss continuous-tone prints though. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Film is dead...
On Apr 26, 2005, at 6:04 AM, Bob W wrote: People have been doing similar things for years. It's why the photography outlets changed from small, specialist places staffed by enthusiasts and experts who knew something about what they were doing, to warehouse-sized box-shifters who knew f*ck-all. My experience of retailers in general is that they NEVER have anything in stock! Does everybody get the shop floor model, or is it only me? Cheers, - Dave (STILL waiting for a dock for my iPod, even though the Dunedin branch had half a dozen of them when I was there a couple of weeks ago, but no we're going to wait for our order to arrive from Apple instead) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Need PC Help for Digital Photography
On Apr 26, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Adobe says that a 16-bit video card is required for CS2. I don't know what [EMAIL PROTECTED] depth means. Sounds like it's the same as 8-bits (3 x 8-bits). 16 bits per pixel for photo editing is seriously a waste of time. 24 bits per pixel is 8 bits per channel and this is suitable for using Photoshop. Any modern graphics card should be able to handle that... in fact I think most have 32-bit modes available (which doesn't look any better to my eye). BTW, the Adobe suggestions at the URL below are really only bare minimum, and depending on what processes are running in the background or other programs that may be running, RAM of less than 1gb may be an issue. On a WinXP system 2gb is a very good way to go. I'd second that. Buy as much memory as you're prepared to afford, then plan on doubling it within a year :) I started with 1Gb which is fine for doing 50-100Mb files. Within a year I'd upgraded to 3Gb because of the new scanner... Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Robert Doisneau's Classic Kiss photo up for auction
On Apr 26, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Norman Baugher wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4481789.stm I saw that in today's TV news. It sold for a rather substantial sum: don't remember the value but it was several times the value of my house. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: PESO: Far Left Flowers
On Apr 26, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310077 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310084 I like the first one better. To be honest I'm not that fond of ring flash but you've done well despite that. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: OpenRAW
Scott Loveless wrote: This appears to be an alternate to proprietary RAW formats. Alternative to DNG? Apologies if this has already been posted. http://www.openraw.org/ Saw this on Luminous Landscape the other day. Doesn't sound like an alternate to the RAW formats, just a guideline to some ethical behaviour - making the RAW formats open has to be a good thing. I don't really understand why companies (Nikon most recently) would want to make their formats proprietary. They give away their RAW converter programs with each camera anyway, so they can't be making money from that. And if more people find using RAW easier, then that has to be good for the manufacturer's reputation. And won't hurt the makers of flash memory either. Just on DNG, I don't quite understand how that can work as a substitute for a RAW format that comes straight off the sensor (forgetting for the moment that no camera writes DNG anyway). Wouldn't there have to be some sort of interpretation of the formats? For example, if some future Fujifilm Sx Pro were to write directly to DNG, wouldn't there have to be some interpretation of the unusual pixel arrangement? I guess what I am saying is, the RAW is going to be the closest to the DSLR negative you are going to get. Anything else has to change the file somehow, no? D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
Re: PESO Evening on the Thames - the link!
JF all like a bit of praise occasionally. So, it works for me is worth JF adding, IMHO, whereas it didn't work for me is not helpful (without JF saying why), and is no more eloquent than silence. Here I would disagree. Both are important to me, and sometimes helpful. Of course it's better to know what is wrong with the picture, but sometimes it can't be worded. It just lacks the spark. And then, a doesn't work for me I don't like it comments are important. Good light! fra
Re: OpenRAW
Scott Loveless wrote: This appears to be an alternate to proprietary RAW formats. Alternative to DNG? Apologies if this has already been posted. http://www.openraw.org/ PS, related to RAW, you may or may not have seen Michael Reichmann's endorsement of Capture One recently (where he talks about RAW in general). Interesting, and I definitely agree it would be good to have profiled noise reduction built into RAW converters. http://tinyurl.com/cotal D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
PESO: Crooked Tree
http://www.elvum.net/gallery/paw/ap16_crooked Taken on a walk in the Peak District on a misty day in October 2004. Pentax Super Program, SMCP-A 35-105/3.5, Agfa Ultra 100. All comments and criticisms extremely welcome. S
Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue AM 07:38:48 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... Jostein It's not Americans and it's not Marxism. It's a fear of the different. Happens all over the world and the action (metaphorical or not) is always the same. Shoot first, ask questions later. Americans just speak louder than everyone else. 8-))) mike - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Optical or Digital Prints?
On Apr 26, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Michael Nosal wrote: My local lab uses an Agfa setup to print everything digitally. I've noticed, especially when getting 120 film printed, that things like pine tree foliage turns mushy. High contrast subjects remain very sharp , but the trees and bushes in the background often go quite mushy due to the digital compression that occurs when the film is scanned for printing. Getting prints done optically confirms the difference. The D-Lab only scans at 2k x 3k pixels. If you're getting a big print, that is nowhere near enough. Oh and the shadow detail is *terrible*. It must be a bit short of bit depth, which is probably why you had problems. I've noticed exactly the same thing as you. Bear in mind that these machines are built for high speed, not the ultimate in picture quality. They do print quite nicely from files you supply... if you can bear the price of a good 120 scanner! Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Re: Film is dead...
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience of retailers in general is that they NEVER have anything in stock! Too much choice. Except. when I visited, err, countries with limited choice, _they_ had nothing in stock, too! Conclusion: it's a retail thing. m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
Hi all, is it possible to take out the matte screen from a MZ-5n (ZX-5n)? I see a small gap at the outher edge which might be there for any (special?) replacement tool. There's a small grain of dust just in the center of the screen which is really annoying - on the inner side. Are there any service manuals around how to clean this body? I did not see any replacement matte screens for the MZ-5 - thus I wonder whether this part is exchangeable easily. Thanks, Martin
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
On 2005-04-26 12:12, Martin Trautmann wrote: Are there any service manuals around how to clean this body? Hopefully it's as easy as described in http://webhome.idirect.com/~trini/mztips.html I did not see any replacement matte screens for the MZ-5 - thus I wonder whether this part is exchangeable easily. ... but I did not find any for MZ-3, either. Maybe it's a good time to replace it by a split finder. Does it really affect spot metering? Thanks, Martin
Re: PESO: Far Left Flowers
Thanks Frank. Actually, I already had names for the flowers. The one in focus that's a bit more toward the center is Knarf. The one that's more to the left is Frantisek. vbg. I think that for future political discussions on the PDML, everyone should have to provide metaphorical photographic evidence :-). Paul On Apr 25, 2005, at 11:07 PM, frank theriault wrote: On 4/25/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the spirit of Marxist software, I offer a couple of far left flowers: bleeding hearts vbg. Seriously, these just bloomed today (after the weekend's foot of snow melted), so I used them to try out the ring light flash I bought from Christian. I used the ring light with my Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro. I like the device. It might be too harsh for some macro uses, but I think it will serve well for anything that's not highly reflective. I may also try it in the studio as fill in combination with some big lights and reflectors. In any case, here are the pinko flowers shot at approximately 1:2: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310077 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310084 As one bleeding heart to another, I can say, Geez, those are gorgeous. g Seriously, I like the first one best. I find the second just a bit busy, whereas I find the very simple comp quite compelling in the first one. Colours, sharpness, nice OOF stuff in both of them. I think you should name the flowers. In #1, I'd say the in focus one should be called Lenin (because he ~focused~ on building the USSR rather than support revolution elsewhere), and the OOF one should be Trotsky (because he's even farther to the left than Lenin. LOL In #2, there's too many to name individually, so they can simply be the proletariate, all working in glorious harmoney, eschewing their individuality for the good of the collective beauty of the photograph. BTW, keep politics off the list in the future, eh Paul? g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Film is dead...
I buy all my major equipment from internet suppliers or on ebay. But I buy a lot of everyday items from the local camera store. I probably spend about three to four thousand a year there, most of it on paper, ink, and chemicals. I used to buy my film from them as well. From time to time I'll pick up something like a studio backdrop or reflector. I bought both of my Pelicans locally as well as some lens bats and other paraphenalia. They seem to appreciate my business, although they realize that I buy my cameras and lenses elsewhere. Paul On Apr 25, 2005, at 11:25 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:30:30 -0600, Tom C wrote: ... I would prefer to buy my photoghraphy equipment at a retail store where I could develop a relationship with a real human being. ... Now if prices were fairly close between retail and mail order... like within 10% of each other, I wouldn't have a problem buying retail. I agree. The compromise I made was that I buy mail order (or Internet) but don't hassle the local retailer for my touchie feelies ... I find someone who actually owns the equipment, rather than wasting the time of someone who I know I'm not going to give the sale. I don't think I've gotten $400 worth of useful advice from all the camera store clerks I've ever met. And I'm a comparatively old fart at almost 42. I remember and have frequented the photo specialty stores. Even in the late '70s when I started out with this photo thing, the spiffs often played a bigger role than the cameras. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: my day as a photojournalist
Frank Theriault replied to my adventure in photojournalism thusly: Sounds like fun Tom. Do you get a chance to see the prints? Like might they get doubles at the time of processing, one set for you? I don't think so. They will have some photos on display at our meeting place but we won't get to see our complete results. All the film that the club members shot wound up mixed together in one bag. Not a comment on their procedure, but I think I'd hate to shoot a roll and not get to see how it turned out! vbg The lack of feedback will be a little frustrating but that's the way it works. Tom Reese
Re: PESO: Far Left Flowers
Thanks Shel. The Vivitar's bokeh is usually quite nice at 5.6 or 8. I shot this at f11 because I wanted the background blossom to be more identifiable. In general, I'd say it has very good bokeh. Here's another example, which has been seen here before: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2220242 I can't answer your question about regular lenses vs. macro. I know very little about optics. Perhaps someone else will answer. Paul On Apr 26, 2005, at 2:18 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Paul, A couple of things. First, I never knew there was aflower called a Bleeding Heart, so it's nice to have learned that and gotten to see an example of what it looks like. Not knowing what the flower looks like, its coloration, and so forth, I can't comment on how the blossoms responded to the flash. That said, the composition of the first pic works very well. It's as if the OOF background blossom is actually a reflection or shadow of the forward blossom. Very nicely framed. Finally, it looks like the bokeh on the Viv is a little harsh. Not annoyingly so,but, to my eye, it may not be the best bokeh for a photo such as this. Now, a question about using a macro lens in this situation. Isn't a macro lens designed for flat field work? If so, wouldn't a regular lens used with an extender or a bellows, or helicoil focusing device, be a better choice? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [...] I used the ring light with my Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro. I like the device. It might be too harsh for some macro uses [...] case, here are the pinko flowers shot at approximately 1:2: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310077 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310084
Re: FAJ 18-55 vs. Zenitar 16 Fisheye
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to the Isle of Man nearly every year because of the wonderful opportunity to shoot motorcycle racing on real roads, up close and personal. Arrgh! extreme envy taking place here ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and pieces, here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs anywhere in the world. Paul On Apr 26, 2005, at 3:38 AM, Jostein wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... Jostein Quoting Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.oekonux.org/texts/marketrelations.html and there's more, if you want to talk seriously. Collin This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... A lot of people (especially Americans) confuse Marxism with Soviet-style communism (though why they should continue to beat that now-literally-dead horse baffles me). -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
Chris, It's just you being cynical. Cory doesn't think film is dead but doesn't shoot much film lately. - Original Message - From: Chris Stoddart Or is it just me being cynical? :-) Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: Re: FAJ 18-55 vs. Zenitar 16 Fisheye
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue AM 11:16:34 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: FAJ 18-55 vs. Zenitar 16 Fisheye Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to the Isle of Man nearly every year because of the wonderful opportunity to shoot motorcycle racing on real roads, up close and personal. Arrgh! extreme envy taking place here ;-) There should be plenty of road racing where you live. There's loads of it round here. 8-) The racers don't like cameras very much, though mike - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue AM 11:20:07 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... A lot of people (especially Americans) confuse Marxism with Soviet-style communism (though why they should continue to beat that now-literally-dead horse baffles me). I think I can see a hoof twitching. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
Hopefully it's as easy as described in http://webhome.idirect.com/~trini/mztips.html There's some interesting comments on the MZ-3: With the grip the winder speed increases to 2.5 FPS I never knew that, or noticed it. Also it's AF software is improved over the MZ-5N allowing slightly faster AF but it increases the low light hunting Never noticed any difference between MZ-3 and ZX-5n, I wonder where he got this information? I am hoping to see a MZ-3N in the future... Erm, no, it just isn't going to happen (unfortunately) John
Re: PESO: Far Left Flowers
And presumably you'd need a panoramic lens to show Collin. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:32:03 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Frank. Actually, I already had names for the flowers. The one in focus that's a bit more toward the center is Knarf. The one that's more to the left is Frantisek. vbg. I think that for future political discussions on the PDML, everyone should have to provide metaphorical photographic evidence :-). Paul On Apr 25, 2005, at 11:07 PM, frank theriault wrote: On 4/25/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the spirit of Marxist software, I offer a couple of far left flowers: bleeding hearts vbg. Seriously, these just bloomed today (after the weekend's foot of snow melted), so I used them to try out the ring light flash I bought from Christian. I used the ring light with my Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro. I like the device. It might be too harsh for some macro uses, but I think it will serve well for anything that's not highly reflective. I may also try it in the studio as fill in combination with some big lights and reflectors. In any case, here are the pinko flowers shot at approximately 1:2: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310077 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310084 As one bleeding heart to another, I can say, Geez, those are gorgeous. g Seriously, I like the first one best. I find the second just a bit busy, whereas I find the very simple comp quite compelling in the first one. Colours, sharpness, nice OOF stuff in both of them. I think you should name the flowers. In #1, I'd say the in focus one should be called Lenin (because he ~focused~ on building the USSR rather than support revolution elsewhere), and the OOF one should be Trotsky (because he's even farther to the left than Lenin. LOL In #2, there's too many to name individually, so they can simply be the proletariate, all working in glorious harmoney, eschewing their individuality for the good of the collective beauty of the photograph. BTW, keep politics off the list in the future, eh Paul? g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005
PESO - Sleeping Daisy
Hi all, http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3308195 Generally I'm not much of a flower lover but this one I found quite nice. What do you think? Best regards, Hans. -- Hans Imglueck +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue AM 11:20:07 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, What *is* this thing about some americans and marxism? I thought this phobia was a thing of the cold war in the sixties and seventies... A lot of people (especially Americans) confuse Marxism with Soviet-style communism (though why they should continue to beat that now-literally-dead horse baffles me). I think I can see a hoof twitching. I'm getting better! No you're not. You're not fooling anyone, you know. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
I did not see any replacement matte screens for the MZ-5 - thus I wonder whether this part is exchangeable easily. I find the standard screen perfectly acceptable even for manual focus, there again I used a SG (grid) screen in one of my MX's for years without problems. The viewfinder window is total b*ll*cks and spoils an otherwise very good Pentaprism viewfinder IMHO. John
Re: PESO: Far Left Flowers
Or with a 90 degree pan to the right.. But that's what makes life interesting. This of course is all in the spirit of fun, says the photographer safely out of view behind the camera :-). On Apr 26, 2005, at 7:14 AM, John Forbes wrote: And presumably you'd need a panoramic lens to show Collin. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:32:03 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Frank. Actually, I already had names for the flowers. The one in focus that's a bit more toward the center is Knarf. The one that's more to the left is Frantisek. vbg. I think that for future political discussions on the PDML, everyone should have to provide metaphorical photographic evidence :-). Paul On Apr 25, 2005, at 11:07 PM, frank theriault wrote: On 4/25/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the spirit of Marxist software, I offer a couple of far left flowers: bleeding hearts vbg. Seriously, these just bloomed today (after the weekend's foot of snow melted), so I used them to try out the ring light flash I bought from Christian. I used the ring light with my Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 macro. I like the device. It might be too harsh for some macro uses, but I think it will serve well for anything that's not highly reflective. I may also try it in the studio as fill in combination with some big lights and reflectors. In any case, here are the pinko flowers shot at approximately 1:2: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310077 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3310084 As one bleeding heart to another, I can say, Geez, those are gorgeous. g Seriously, I like the first one best. I find the second just a bit busy, whereas I find the very simple comp quite compelling in the first one. Colours, sharpness, nice OOF stuff in both of them. I think you should name the flowers. In #1, I'd say the in focus one should be called Lenin (because he ~focused~ on building the USSR rather than support revolution elsewhere), and the OOF one should be Trotsky (because he's even farther to the left than Lenin. LOL In #2, there's too many to name individually, so they can simply be the proletariate, all working in glorious harmoney, eschewing their individuality for the good of the collective beauty of the photograph. BTW, keep politics off the list in the future, eh Paul? g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005
Re: PESO - Sleeping Daisy
Lovely. Great colours, and the out of focus parts work very well. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:16:52 +0100, Hans Imglueck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3308195 Generally I'm not much of a flower lover but this one I found quite nice. What do you think? Best regards, Hans. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
--- Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not see any replacement matte screens for the MZ-5 - thus I wonder whether this part is exchangeable easily. There is a metal clip, just lift it up a little and the frame will pop down. You need to use a rigid tool with an angled tip for the job. Just be extra careful with the screen however. Never ever try to wipe it with anything, use a rubber hand blower to blow off the dust very gently only. http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42600649 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42600650 ... but I did not find any for MZ-3, either. Maybe it's a good time to replace it by a split finder. Does it really affect spot metering? The MZ/ZX-M split screen will fit, but the spot meter won't be reliable. It can be purchased from Pentax's parts department. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Film is dead...
That is the same thing the guys at my lab are saying. Digital is just a fad :) - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Film is dead... We have many professional and high-quality labs in the area, some with international reputations and others known and respected throughout the US. I'm on good terms with many of the people who work in and run some of these labs. A few days ago I was talking with a woman at the lab that does some of my film processing. She was saying that, at least in her lab and a couple of others in the area with which she's most conversant, many photographers, both pros and advanced amateurs, are migrating back to film from digital. It's also interesting to note that the number of labs specializing in conventional BW has not diminished in the last few years, and some are doing even more business (in BW) than before digital became such a strong force in the market place. What does this mean in the overall scheme of things? Probably not much, but, OTOH, it does at least show that, in this market, film is not dead, nor does it seem to be dying. Here's a quick figure from the kast issue of a local photo lab directory that I have - dated 2004: within an hour drive of my house there are 77 pro-quality labs, 27 of which handle custom BW processing and a few of which specialize in custom BW processing. In some areas there are more labs working with film than there are with digital. I'm not talking about the one hour mini labs - I'm mean full tilt pro labs that can handle the full gamut of a photographer's needs and requirements. Shel [Original Message] From: Steve Desjardins We teach several courses at my college based on traditional film photography. They are inevitably overfilled with long wait-lists. The funny part is that the camera of choice is (still) the K-1000. (I have let student borrow lenses and even gave my old Tak 135 2.5 to I student I knew.) I think we are seeing digital becoming the main stream method of choice and film becoming an artistic alternative. Since many amateurs treat photography as an art from, film should continue to do well.
Neighbouring Cats (gallery)
These are our neighbour's cats that visit us daily. Our house is almost like their 2nd home. :-) Most were shot with BW400, some converted from colour negatives. http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/cats Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
On 2005-04-26 04:44, Alan Chan wrote: There is a metal clip, just lift it up a little and the frame will pop down. You need to use a rigid tool with an angled tip for the job. Just be extra careful with the screen however. Never ever try to wipe it with anything, use a rubber hand blower to blow off the dust very gently only. http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42600649 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42600650 Thanks for the confirmation and the images! Martin ... but I did not find any for MZ-3, either. Maybe it's a good time to replace it by a split finder. Does it really affect spot metering? The MZ/ZX-M split screen will fit, but the spot meter won't be reliable. It can be purchased from Pentax's parts department. The grid would be handy many times. Is the GG-60 Cross-Hair Matte from the MZ-S suited as well? http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/products/filmcamera/accessory/image/fa-fuc-gg60.gif http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/237428.jpg ($35 .. $50) Thanks Martin
Re: Film is dead...
I do think digital has kindled a new interest in photography generally, and I also believe that it can't offer the thrill of watching a print emerge in the glow of a safelight, or the same degree of satisfaction that producing a good print can. For that reason, I expect that bw film may survive, kept alive by darkroom aficionados. Personally, though, I would never go back to the frustrations of colour printing (which I have dabbled in) or of opening a packet of prints to find that the colour balnce is all wrong, again! So, I don't hold out much hope for colour. Digital is so much more reliable, convenient, and cheap. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:47:00 +0100, Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the same thing the guys at my lab are saying. Digital is just a fad :) - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Film is dead... We have many professional and high-quality labs in the area, some with international reputations and others known and respected throughout the US. I'm on good terms with many of the people who work in and run some of these labs. A few days ago I was talking with a woman at the lab that does some of my film processing. She was saying that, at least in her lab and a couple of others in the area with which she's most conversant, many photographers, both pros and advanced amateurs, are migrating back to film from digital. It's also interesting to note that the number of labs specializing in conventional BW has not diminished in the last few years, and some are doing even more business (in BW) than before digital became such a strong force in the market place. What does this mean in the overall scheme of things? Probably not much, but, OTOH, it does at least show that, in this market, film is not dead, nor does it seem to be dying. Here's a quick figure from the kast issue of a local photo lab directory that I have - dated 2004: within an hour drive of my house there are 77 pro-quality labs, 27 of which handle custom BW processing and a few of which specialize in custom BW processing. In some areas there are more labs working with film than there are with digital. I'm not talking about the one hour mini labs - I'm mean full tilt pro labs that can handle the full gamut of a photographer's needs and requirements. Shel [Original Message] From: Steve Desjardins We teach several courses at my college based on traditional film photography. They are inevitably overfilled with long wait-lists. The funny part is that the camera of choice is (still) the K-1000. (I have let student borrow lenses and even gave my old Tak 135 2.5 to I student I knew.) I think we are seeing digital becoming the main stream method of choice and film becoming an artistic alternative. Since many amateurs treat photography as an art from, film should continue to do well. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005
Re: PESO - Sleeping Daisy
Ditto. Great shot. I love the balance of the composition and the bright, clean light. Nice work. Paul On Apr 26, 2005, at 7:28 AM, John Forbes wrote: Lovely. Great colours, and the out of focus parts work very well. John On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:16:52 +0100, Hans Imglueck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3308195 Generally I'm not much of a flower lover but this one I found quite nice. What do you think? Best regards, Hans. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005
Re: PESO: Far Left Flowers
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 06:32:03 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: I think that for future political discussions on the PDML, everyone should have to provide metaphorical photographic evidence :-). But there aren't any photos of Atilla the Hun! :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
--- Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The grid would be handy many times. Is the GG-60 Cross-Hair Matte from the MZ-S suited as well? You may use any grid screens for Pentax AF 135 bodies, that included FG-40 (SFX/SFXn), FG-50 (Z-1), FG-60(Z-1p) GG-60 (MZ-S). They have the same dimension. However, I have no idea how much exposure compensation will be required if you shoot slides. For negatives, the difference is too little to bother. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/focusing/screens/index.html Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Film is dead...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 06:39:22 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: I buy all my major equipment from internet suppliers or on ebay. But I buy a lot of everyday items from the local camera store. I'm the same way. And they still get my processing business, too. When I'm fully digital, they'll probably still get my printing business for stuff larger than 8 x 10 (which I don't do often). TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Frank Theriault wrote: The word libertarian is a pretty wide-ranging one. Most people (I would guess) think of it as a whacko-right thing, but many on the left consider themselves to be leftist libertarians, Chomsky likely being the best known. Not disputing what you said, Glenn, just expanding or commenting on the word itself is all... From the Libertarian party website (http://www.lp.org/): LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties. Maximum personal liberty is a left wing position. Minimal government is a right wing position. It depends on whether your talking about liberty or economic philosophy. Tom (a Libertarian) Reese
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and pieces, here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs anywhere in the world. Sadly, yes. I'd even opt for leaving out the probably. :-( What puzzles me in this particular case is just the anachronistic nature of the phobia... :-) Cheers, Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Quoting Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and pieces, here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs anywhere in the world. Sadly, yes. I'd even opt for leaving out the probably. :-( What puzzles me in this particular case is just the anachronistic nature of the phobia... :-) Quite a few Americans still seem to take the U.S. Civil War personally. (That was in the 1860s. Governments claiming to be Marxist have existed rather more recently than that.) I believe that in other parts of the world there are people beating not only dead horses but pretty ancient fossils; however, since I live here, this is the example I can cite. Sorry, this won't do anything to clear up your puzzlement, but in case you were actually surprised by it, don't be. ERNR
Re: Optical or Digital Prints?
Thanks Rob. Jack --- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Apr 2005 at 18:35, Jack Davis wrote: --- Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFLMAO! Norm (bwahahahahhahahahaha) B. Jack Davis wrote: snip reply to Wheatfield or..you may need to look for a new lab. HUH? Bill runs a lab. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
On 2005-04-26 05:27, Alan Chan wrote: --- Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The grid would be handy many times. Is the GG-60 Cross-Hair Matte from the MZ-S suited as well? You may use any grid screens for Pentax AF 135 bodies, that included FG-40 (SFX/SFXn), FG-50 (Z-1), FG-60(Z-1p) GG-60 (MZ-S). They have the same dimension. However, I have no idea how much exposure compensation will be required if you shoot slides. For negatives, the difference is too little to bother. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/focusing/screens/index.html I wonder whether Bojidar will update his pages any more. Thus here's some further input which is missing there, including part numbers. Please correct as appropriate... According to your comment, all F*-*0 and G*-60 share the same physical dimensions. They are exchangable in all bodies? SFX/SF1, SFXn/SF1n: FG-40 30872 FI-40 30880 (SF-7/SF-10?) Z-1/PZ-1, -1n, -5: FG-50 30819 FI-50 30820 FS-50 30818 FF-60 30785 FG-60 30789 FI-60 30790 FK-60 30791 FM-60 30788 FP-60 30786 FS-60 30787 (-1p, -10, -20, -50p, -70?) MZ-S: GF-60 30771 GG-60 30772 (-3, -5, -5n, -6, -7, -10, -30, -50, -60, -M?) *ist D/Ds: LF-60 38571 LL-60 38572 LI-60 38573 *ist?
RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Free Beer Tomorrow Seen on the side of a bar in Savannah, Ga, a few weeks ago. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 26, 2005 2:56 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. I think that free beer is a type of Freedom. Your damn right it is, and down here in this bastion of democracy people will fight to the death for it. ;) ROFL ;~\ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: It simply says that their share price has fallen due to their lack of understanding of their market and hence the share markets reaction to their over enthusiastic profit predictions. Tsk, what fools they are; you'd think that with being in business since 1935 and with 270 stores in the UK they would have worked out their market by now. But no, they stupidly overestimate their profits based on digital sales. Film is at least terminal. Yes of course it is Rob :-) Chris
Re: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue PM 01:13:20 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. Quoting Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and pieces, here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs anywhere in the world. Sadly, yes. I'd even opt for leaving out the probably. :-( What puzzles me in this particular case is just the anachronistic nature of the phobia... :-) Quite a few Americans still seem to take the U.S. Civil War personally. (That was in the 1860s. Governments claiming to be Marxist have existed rather more recently than that.) I was going to say Don't mention the war but I didn't mean that one 8-) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
So where's the photo? Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller Free Beer Tomorrow Seen on the side of a bar in Savannah, Ga, a few weeks ago.
RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
So where's the photo? Only in my mind. It's my reason to go back. I saw it from the front seat of a Cab @ 65mph while on my way to the airport. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 26, 2005 9:47 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. So where's the photo? Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller Free Beer Tomorrow Seen on the side of a bar in Savannah, Ga, a few weeks ago. PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/26 Tue PM 01:45:41 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead... On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: It simply says that their share price has fallen due to their lack of understanding of their market and hence the share markets reaction to their over enthusiastic profit predictions. Tsk, what fools they are; you'd think that with being in business since 1935 and with 270 stores in the UK they would have worked out their market by now. But no, they stupidly overestimate their profits based on digital sales. Or even more stupidly, overestimate how many times they can sell people the same thing before the people catch on. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Neighbouring Cats (gallery)
Some really nice shots in there Alan. i like this one: http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42599091 The angle really works. Christian - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: Neighbouring Cats (gallery) These are our neighbour's cats that visit us daily. Our house is almost like their 2nd home. :-) Most were shot with BW400, some converted from colour negatives. http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/cats Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
On 26 Apr 2005 at 14:45, Chris Stoddart wrote: Tsk, what fools they are; you'd think that with being in business since 1935 and with 270 stores in the UK they would have worked out their market by now. But no, they stupidly overestimate their profits based on digital sales. Sure, you would think so but pandering to investment analysts by over inflating profitability has really only come into vogue of late and yes they obviously over-estimated their market. Even the oldest well established companies screw up, 135 years of plain sailing interrupted by wildly misplaced market expectations: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/19/1071337166010.html Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
New lens coming!
Just got word that my new ebay lens has been shipped, a Kiron f/2 24mm K-mount. Apparently some people think well of this lens, not that it matters much to me, bottom feeder that I am! It's coming all the way up the East coast so I'll probably see it around the end of the week, if I'm lucky. -- Alan P. Hayes Meaning and Form: Writing, Editing and Document Design Pittsfield, Massachusetts Photographs at http://www.ahayesphoto.com/americandead/index.htm
Re: Optical or Digital Prints?
--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: Optical or Digital Prints? Guess you're too subtle for me. Difficult to believe, I know ;-) In case this is your dilemma; If you control the print results, are you (or your lab) unable to set the sharpness to your liking without sacrificing detail? I have not found this a problem with scans of the size I mentioned...or..you may need to look for a new lab. I use large film by preference. More detail is available snip Here! Here! Jack My favourite photo lab is, at the moment, in a storage warehouse across town. I'll have a darkroom again, by gumm. William Robb __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: Sure, you would think so but pandering to investment analysts by over inflating profitability has really only come into vogue of late and yes they obviously over-estimated their market. Actually one of the points I have to give you is that Jessops were floated last year, and of course prior to flotation you want your share price to be valued as high as you possibly can. So predicting that sales will increase and ignoring the fact that meant every person would need to have 4 digicams each in a couple of years was probably par for the course. Personally I hope it hurts them hard; they have become boring, soulless shops since they became digiconsumer emporiums, taking over as many local camera shops as they could in the process. But I do wonder what will happen when we've reached digicam market saturation. Surely not far off now? Chris
Re: FAJ 18-55 vs. Zenitar 16 Fisheye
You are correct there, Shel. In addition actual focal length changes with focus. External focus lenses get longer as you focus closer. Internal focus lenses get shorter. I suppose one could do a cam coupled interal/external focus lens that did not change focal length with focus, but I have never seen one. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Shel Belinkoff wrote: Plus, there's something of a flaw in just using math to determine the AOV ... while a lens may be nominally rated at a particular focal length, it may not in actuality be that focal length. Depending on the actual focal length of the lens the difference may be significant. As a Leica user I'm sure you've noticed that Leica has the actual focal length coded on the barrel of some of their lenses. It seems that, apart from the nominal FL often being an approximation, variations in the build of each sample can be different as well. And, if you recall, not long ago Cotty put up some pics made with lenses of similar focal lengths that seemed to show a greater difference than would have been expected had the nominal FL of the lenses been precisely as indicated by the manufacturer. While it's nice to know how to figure out all these technical things, I feel that nothing beats making a photograph to get to the truth when it comes to lenses and all their characteristics. Shel [Original Message] From: Rob Studdert On 23 Apr 2005 at 10:10, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Too much math, not enough photography I don't understand the need for equations, nor do I understand the math, the equations, or your conclusion. Like I said, the field of view, regardless of your math, is greater with the Zenitar than it is with a 20mm lens on a 35mm camera. Have you looked through both focal lengths on a 35mm camera? Have you actually compared photos side-by-side? From a practical perspective you are of course correct Shel, the fisheye lens will provide a wider AOV than the a rectilinear lens of equal focal length. However due to the physics you will find that the fisheye effect diminishes as the image is cropped (and this can be easily described in mathematical terms, as Cory showed). So a 16mm fisheye on an APS sized DSLR frame looks far less fishy than you might expect. Cory said: So, what I *meant* to say is that FOV of the fisheye is about equivalent to a 13-14mm rectilinear lens on the -DS, or a 20mm rectilinear lens on a full-frame 35mm body. How I interpreted that paragraph was that a 16mm lens on a D or DS body produces an angle of view roughly equivalent to the AOV a 20mm lens will provide on a full frame 35mm body, and I agree. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally I hope it hurts them hard; they have become boring, soulless shops since they became digiconsumer emporiums, taking over as many local camera shops as they could in the process. But I do wonder what will happen when we've reached digicam market saturation. Surely not far off now? They will do what every retailer does: start selling the next new thing. When did you last see a new roll-film folder for sale? m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
Digital will rise and fall around its new equilibrium sales point. Film will do the same. The difference is that film had a much larger infrastructure at a previous point, so it's a question of how much to shut down. Digital is rising so it's a question of how much to build. Both will oscillate around new equilibrium points as the market changes. And, of course, those equilibrium points will move with time as well. I would be surprised, however, if film ever dominated again. Film will not die but neither is it a growth sector. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/05 3:40 AM For your perusal http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4367459.stm If that report mentioned the word film, then half the PDML would be happy to tell me (at great length) how film was dead. Or is it just me being cynical? :-) Chris
Re: film is dead
The optimist thinks his glass is half full. The pestimist thinks his glass is half empty. While the wise man simply enjoys his drink. Translation: Go, and make wonderful photos. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- frank theriault wrote: On 4/25/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to be an optomist too. The optimist says this is the most perfect of all worlds; the pessimist fears he is right. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -frank (a pessimist by nature) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: PESO - Sleeping Daisy
Hello Hans, Well done. I like how the subject is off center and the leaf in front has sharpness to the little spines sticking up. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, April 26, 2005, 4:16:52 AM, you wrote: HI Hi all, HI http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3308195 HI Generally I'm not much of a flower lover but this one HI I found quite nice. What do you think? HI Best regards, Hans.
Re: film is dead
On 4/25/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to be an optomist too. I was going to go to school to learn to be an optomist, but then I thought, Not that many people wear glasses. Paul
Re: Film is dead... (NOT)
That tells me that minilabs are dying, not that film is dying. Of course here in Boone if the mass marketer's minilabs all die you better have a darkroom of your own because that is all that there is. However, traditionally (before the photography boom of the 60's and 70's) people in the boondocks had to send their film out for processing anyway, so things can be said to be just returning to normal. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Henri Toivonen wrote: Something that is dying/already dead is consumer color negative film. I work at a smallish minilab and development is down like, 70%. A couple of years ago, a good day we got in 30 rolls. A good day today is like over 5 rolls. I'm not sure how long we will be able to stay in business, because this is not looking good. To make things worse, people don't buy their cameras in a shop anymore. They come to the shop, look at the cameras, touch and feel and ask questions, then they say straight out that they will go home and order one from the net because it's alot cheaper. /HEnri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: Film is dead...
I have to disagree totally with this. There is inothing in the least unethical about going into a retail store to look at an item, even handle it, and then not purchase it from them because it's too high priced. Just as it's not unethical to go to a car dealer close to home, test drive a vehicle, and then purchase it from a more distant dealer because the price is better. The only 'service' I used was being able to see the item first hand. It also does not mean that I did not/do not purchase other items at the store regularly. Tom C. From: David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film is dead... Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:48:29 -0700 Tom C wrote: Sure, but why do you care about the employment situation in NYC? Worry about the employment situation closer to home, and where you live will be a nicer place. William Robb I don't really. But I also don't think I'm personally responsible for keeping someone else gainfully employed while incurring a detriment to myself. If I thought that way, I'd donate to every charity asking for meny and I'd and give a buck to every homeless person on the street. And then *I'd* be broke. You are not responsible to keep someone gainfully employed selling cameras the old way. However, if you make the choice to not pay the price for his services, stay out of his shop altogether. If a portion of your buying decision on a piece of equipment is influenced based on how the thing looks, performs, and feels in your hand, buy it from the place where you felt it in your hand. It is unethical to handle the goods at a place where you have no intention of buying them, and then buy the goods from a place where you are unable to handle them first, just because they beat the showroom place on price. They beat the showroom on price for all the reasons you went into the showroom to look and see.
Re: Film is dead... (NOT)
- Original Message - From: Graywolf Subject: Re: Film is dead... (NOT) That tells me that minilabs are dying, not that film is dying. At this point, it works out to the same thing. William Robb
Re: PAW PESO - The Conversation (Redux)
Hi Scott ... Did you figure out what she's doing? Thanks for the comments ... Shel [Original Message] From: Scott Loveless Very nice, Shel. I do like this one. I've spent about five minutes staring at it trying to figure out exactly what this woman is doing. It looks like she's about to lick the wall. Or maybe she just did. Wonderful shot. On 4/15/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce suggested a slightly wider crop, so here it is. I think he was right about the pic needing a little more space. Thanks, Bruce! http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/convers3.html
Re: Film is dead...
A followup... I more often than not go to BH's website when I want to start researching an item. I don't always buy it from them just because I used the service their website provided. Is that unethical? No. When a retail store prices an item 25-30% higher than where I can buy it elsewhere, they are overtly taking the chance that I will purchase it elsewhere for a lower price. They know it's available elsewhere at a lower price. As postulated earlier, the profit they make on one sale likely equals 3 or 4 sales profits at the lower priced dealer. Tom C. From: David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film is dead... Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:48:29 -0700 Tom C wrote: Sure, but why do you care about the employment situation in NYC? Worry about the employment situation closer to home, and where you live will be a nicer place. William Robb I don't really. But I also don't think I'm personally responsible for keeping someone else gainfully employed while incurring a detriment to myself. If I thought that way, I'd donate to every charity asking for meny and I'd and give a buck to every homeless person on the street. And then *I'd* be broke. You are not responsible to keep someone gainfully employed selling cameras the old way. However, if you make the choice to not pay the price for his services, stay out of his shop altogether. If a portion of your buying decision on a piece of equipment is influenced based on how the thing looks, performs, and feels in your hand, buy it from the place where you felt it in your hand. It is unethical to handle the goods at a place where you have no intention of buying them, and then buy the goods from a place where you are unable to handle them first, just because they beat the showroom place on price. They beat the showroom on price for all the reasons you went into the showroom to look and see.
Re: film is dead
GROAN! Sounds like something Steven Wright would say. What do you call an Eskimo optometrist? . An optical Alution Shel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was going to go to school to learn to be an optomist, but then I thought, Not that many people wear glasses.
Re: Film is dead... (NOT)
Actually, Bob, I beg to differ. Photography became big business. The money grubbers, like Ritz, bought the camera stores from the camera enthusiasts. The got rid of the interesting high-end stuff that did not sell fast, and replaced them with a minilab. They laid off the decently paid enthusiasts behind the counter and replaced them with minimum-wage off-the-street part-timer clerks. Now it is no longer a big bucks business, so the money grubbers are moving to something else. Only there are very few enthusiast stores left. Mail order took over a lot of that slack in the 80's and 90's, so there may never be new enthusiast shops. We did not abandon the local shops, they abandoned us. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob W wrote: Hi, To make things worse, people don't buy their cameras in a shop anymore. They come to the shop, look at the cameras, touch and feel and ask questions, then they say straight out that they will go home and order one from the net because it's alot cheaper. People have been doing similar things for years. It's why the photography outlets changed from small, specialist places staffed by enthusiasts and experts who knew something about what they were doing, to warehouse-sized box-shifters who knew f*ck-all. -- Cheers, Bob -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Improve the *istD pad
I stuck to the center pad a transparent plastic stop; it is a transparent adhesive round, diameter 8mm, thickness 2mm. The plastic does not slip under the finger and the pad is more handy, as a joystick one pushes towards the direction desired instead of pushing. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/temp/pad-istd.jpg Michel
Re: Film is dead...
The difference between the camera situation and the car situation is that the online camera dealers are not able to demonstrate the product to you. Whereas the more distant car dealer still has a lot, with cars on it that you can look at. That is a more level playingfield. There is nothing wrong with price shopping. There is nothing wrong with buying from a different showroom than the one you originally visited to look at the gear, though I do believe you owe it to the original showroom to give them the opportunity to compete on price, if price is the issue. But camera dealers with showrooms are there to sell product, not to provide a library of gear for you to handle so that you'll know what to buy from the online dealers who cannot demonstrate the product to you. If you derive benefit from seeing the product in person, and if seeing it in person has helped you to make the buying decision, you need to be giving the see it in person places your business. Many of them will even try to match on-line pricing if you ask, or at least will try to get closer to it. Remember, when you walk into a dealer with a showroom, and a salesperson demonstrates (or at least lets you hold and touch) some equipment, you are being serviced. You may not think that service is worth $200, or whatever. If it isn't, don't utilize the service. Tom C wrote: I have to disagree totally with this. There is inothing in the least unethical about going into a retail store to look at an item, even handle it, and then not purchase it from them because it's too high priced. Just as it's not unethical to go to a car dealer close to home, test drive a vehicle, and then purchase it from a more distant dealer because the price is better. The only 'service' I used was being able to see the item first hand. It also does not mean that I did not/do not purchase other items at the store regularly. Tom C. From: David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film is dead... Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:48:29 -0700 Tom C wrote: Sure, but why do you care about the employment situation in NYC? Worry about the employment situation closer to home, and where you live will be a nicer place. William Robb I don't really. But I also don't think I'm personally responsible for keeping someone else gainfully employed while incurring a detriment to myself. If I thought that way, I'd donate to every charity asking for meny and I'd and give a buck to every homeless person on the street. And then *I'd* be broke. You are not responsible to keep someone gainfully employed selling cameras the old way. However, if you make the choice to not pay the price for his services, stay out of his shop altogether. If a portion of your buying decision on a piece of equipment is influenced based on how the thing looks, performs, and feels in your hand, buy it from the place where you felt it in your hand. It is unethical to handle the goods at a place where you have no intention of buying them, and then buy the goods from a place where you are unable to handle them first, just because they beat the showroom place on price. They beat the showroom on price for all the reasons you went into the showroom to look and see.
Re: Film is dead... (NOT)
We did not abandon the local shops, they abandoned us. Amen. I'm sure there are some that closed simply to economic pressure. Others sold out at a profit, I suspect... Tom C.
Re: Film is dead...
From: David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film is dead... Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:43:30 -0700 The difference between the camera situation and the car situation is that the online camera dealers are not able to demonstrate the product to you. Whereas the more distant car dealer still has a lot, with cars on it that you can look at. That is a more level playingfield. Remember, when you walk into a dealer with a showroom, and a salesperson demonstrates (or at least lets you hold and touch) some equipment, you are being serviced. You may not think that service is worth $200, or whatever. If it isn't, don't utilize the service. David, I'll still have to disagree and just leave it. Does your philosophy hold true for Best Buy, Circuit City, and CompUSA as well? Retailers have opened a store to the public. Salesmen would love for every single customer to purchase everything they touch. That's unrealistic and they know it. Think of it another way. The fact that I saved $200 on a high ticket item, means I have an extra $200 to spend at the local shop for consumables, shutter releases, camera bags, etc. Tom C.
Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
Quoting Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties and sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little pockets of folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and pieces, here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs anywhere in the world. Sadly, yes. I'd even opt for leaving out the probably. :-( What puzzles me in this particular case is just the anachronistic nature of the phobia... :-) Obfuscating the discussion by talking about free beer only avoids the issue. The revolutionary era of the 60s stood out because of the violence. Maybe more recently people have heard of the Shining Path Castro. Not long ago I went to the reasonably prestigous Ohio State University here in Columbus looking to enroll in the EE program. WRT the program, it's impressive. But in the broader curriculum was a required course. It was a course in dialectics. And on the shelf of the counselor I talked to was her notebook distinctly labelled MARX. Unlikely it concerned old toys or movies. Marxism is a philosophy. Communism is a form of government derived from it. So is National Socialism. And western Socialism. All are Marxist by definition, in one component or another. Whether it's redistribution of wealth, egalitarianism, the green movement, the peace movement, whatever mechanism is its expression, the philosophy is the dominant perspective in most if not all governmental educational systems. When John Kerry would, in the last presidential campaign, speak of our government as a democracy and Bush would use the term republic, the divergence of their world views was clarified. /* THE POINT */ To deny its existence because of a form adaptation is to miss the reality of its influence. It is endemic enough to be missed as it doesn't stand out as distinct. It is now dominant. /* THE POINT */ For those wanting to understand it in its simplicity, the clearest expression of a Marxist philosophy in pop culture would be John Lennon's Imagine. As far as Christianity is involved, The Challenge of Marxism by Klaus Bockmuehl would be a good read. Published by Intervarsity Press. There is no phobia here. No irrational fear that they're going to invade my house and take all of my possessions. It's a rational and reasoned concern. Collin (subvert the dominant marxist) Brendemuehl Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: OT: Inkjet Printing Problems
--- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently been thinking about upgrading to R1800...hmm...I think I feel an enablement coming on.g Dave S Get it. You won't be sorry! I bought one a couple of weeks ago. Fabulous quality. Wendy Wendy Beard Ottawa, Canada
Re: Film is dead...
I don't know where you guys live. I find few mompop camera stores anyplace I have lived. And the few I found I tended to spend time training the staff instead of getting help from them. I have said before, I am willing to pay a bit of a premium to be able to walk out of the store with the merchadice in my hands, but once tha gets to be substancial money forget it. I should support a local store that does not support my needs in any way? If they carry the stuff I want, I buy it there. Mostly that is not the case. I shop via internet and via mail because that is what I have to do to get the stuff I want. Snapshots go to the minilab at wal-mart because that is the most convinent place to get them done. But about everything else I need, I have no choice but to buy via mail order, or drive 4 hours round trip to pay a 50% premium for. Besides that nifty local camera store (now a4 hour trip) sold an outfit that they had on 24 hour hold for me, via mail order to some guy in Canada. Was I upset when I walked into the store the next day with $1300 in my pocket to pay for it? Hell, I am still upset 5 years later. Quite frankly as far as I am concerned, they can go bankrupt and good riddens. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- frank theriault wrote: On 4/25/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To me the best thing about the mom pops is that I could go in and peruse. snip If anyone really thinks that the prices at the big-boxes or on the internet will stay down once the little guys have all been driven out of business, I have this bridge in New York for sale. g If there's one thing I hate (sorry, Tom) it's people who go into the mom and pop, to look at an item, then go off to the big-box or the internet and buy it for cheaper. At least if one's going to put them out of business, have the decency not to use their services for free. Maybe say, You know, this is a nice camera. I'm off to buy in on-line. Here's $20 for your trouble; I'm still getting it for a bargain even after giving you this $20. Actually, I don't know how those little guys have survived for the last number of decades. First there was big department stores. Then malls. Now big boxes, Walmart and the internet. I gotta give 'em credit, they've hung in there, but I really don't know how much longer they can continue to do so... cheers, frank cheers, frank -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
PESO: That Dead Media
http://www.chang-sang.com/photo/042505/crop035.jpg No real title to this - the subject line of the thread was just to let you know this is not a digital capture :D From a wedding last weekend. Tmax 3200 @ 1600 I still like film :) I also like digital :) Why can't we all just get along ;) Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead...
it's already happened in Japan and is expected to happen by the end of this year in the US and Europe. Herb... - Original Message - From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Digital is dead... Was: Film is dead... But I do wonder what will happen when we've reached digicam market saturation. Surely not far off now?
Re: Improve the *istD pad
On Tuesday 26 April 2005 17:39, Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: FJW I stuck to the center pad a transparent plastic stop; it is a FJW transparent adhesive round, diameter 8mm, thickness 2mm. FJW FJW The plastic does not slip under the finger and the pad is more handy, as FJW a joystick one pushes towards the direction desired instead of pushing. FJW FJW http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/temp/pad-istd.jpg FJW FJW Michel Good idea. I assume one can buy something like that? Where could I buy it? Does it resolve the problems of operating this horrible four way switch? -- Frits Wüthrich
Re: Film is dead...
And then they wonder why those guys don't come to them when they are actually ready to buy? First rule of salesmanship: Make the customer like you. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Butch Black wrote: That is a running joke where I work (Sears). There are some old timers that if they determine the person is not buying today, won't give them the time of day. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: Improve the *istD pad
. Good idea. I assume one can buy something like that? Where could I buy it? Does it resolve the problems of operating this horrible four way switch? It is a transparent adhesive plastic stop for the doors of pieces of furniture. Michel
Re: Film is dead...
I live in Idaho. There's a couple of national chain stores in the mall. There are 5 or 6 Idaho Camera stores, a local chain, and a couple of independents. Prices on bodies and lenses are typically MFR list price at all of them. Only a foolish customer would pay list, IMO. Maybe if one was desperate and had money to blow, fine. I don't mind Idaho Camera. They have a decent selection of other gear. I've purchased film, a ball head, and numerous accesories from them, and one store has a decent selection of used gear. Even that one, I walk in, stand in front of the used equipment counter and ask if they have any used Pentax 6x7 lenses. No I don't think so is the response. What are those down there?. Oh, I guess we do. Tom C. From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film is dead... Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:20:21 -0400 I don't know where you guys live. I find few mompop camera stores anyplace I have lived. And the few I found I tended to spend time training the staff instead of getting help from them. I have said before, I am willing to pay a bit of a premium to be able to walk out of the store with the merchadice in my hands, but once tha gets to be substancial money forget it. I should support a local store that does not support my needs in any way? If they carry the stuff I want, I buy it there. Mostly that is not the case. I shop via internet and via mail because that is what I have to do to get the stuff I want. Snapshots go to the minilab at wal-mart because that is the most convinent place to get them done. But about everything else I need, I have no choice but to buy via mail order, or drive 4 hours round trip to pay a 50% premium for. Besides that nifty local camera store (now a4 hour trip) sold an outfit that they had on 24 hour hold for me, via mail order to some guy in Canada. Was I upset when I walked into the store the next day with $1300 in my pocket to pay for it? Hell, I am still upset 5 years later. Quite frankly as far as I am concerned, they can go bankrupt and good riddens. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- frank theriault wrote: On 4/25/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To me the best thing about the mom pops is that I could go in and peruse. snip If anyone really thinks that the prices at the big-boxes or on the internet will stay down once the little guys have all been driven out of business, I have this bridge in New York for sale. g If there's one thing I hate (sorry, Tom) it's people who go into the mom and pop, to look at an item, then go off to the big-box or the internet and buy it for cheaper. At least if one's going to put them out of business, have the decency not to use their services for free. Maybe say, You know, this is a nice camera. I'm off to buy in on-line. Here's $20 for your trouble; I'm still getting it for a bargain even after giving you this $20. Actually, I don't know how those little guys have survived for the last number of decades. First there was big department stores. Then malls. Now big boxes, Walmart and the internet. I gotta give 'em credit, they've hung in there, but I really don't know how much longer they can continue to do so... cheers, frank cheers, frank -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: Viewfinder's
On 25/4/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I tend to be a smart ass. Say it is not so! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Film is dead...
That is how big auto dealerships make their profits. Sell at $50 below invoice. Get a $500 per car rebate if they meet quota. Get another $100 per car if they sell x number of cars that month. Get an incentive of $500/per car if they move 10 slow moving models. Get $50,000 if they sell 3000 cars a year. The only one who has an incentive to sell above that figure is the poor salesman who only makes $75 a pop unless he sells above invoice then he gets 10-15% of anything over invoice. Got any idea how many cars you have to sell at $75 a pop to make a decent living? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Tom C wrote: At one time I worked for a Membership Warehouse business similar to Costco. I designed a Rebates Receivable system which tracked purchases and rebate agreements the comany had negotiated with its vendors. When certain quotas were reached, a rebate was 'earned'. What I'm suggesting is, the invoice may show the the same price being charged to large and small businesses alike. Behind the scenes, the larger businesses may receive cash back. Speculation, but I've seen it first hand. The biggest rebates given were on purchases such as automobile tires, IIRC. In any case the system tracked rebates of over $2 million annually. Not a large number, but nothing to sneeze at either in 1987. Tom C. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
