Re: Noob question: GESO? PESO?
On 19/8/05, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed: Pardon me if there is a FAQ that I missed... I've been lurking for a couple of days and have yet to figure out what PESO/GESO stand for. Help? FAQ here: http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
OT - Google Maps plugin for Macs
This easy-to-install plugin is pretty cute. If you use Address Book, it means you can link to a map of your contact's location via Google Maps very quickly, and print off the map and/or directions instantly. Works well, and currently supports the USA, UK, Canada and Japan. http://www.briantoth.com/addressbook/ Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: enabled 645 style
On 19/8/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: You can shoot more pictures with a 220 back. You can shoot even more with a digital back. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Help me pick a Pentax Zoom Lens (please)
On Aug 19, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Judging from the picture: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/DS-28-105comp.jpg The 28-105 at a DS looks like a really strange combo. While extending the lens, the camera body seems to shrink. Why? Does the lens absorb parts of the body or what? Very peculiar, indeed. LOL!!! Tim, I just had to back away a little more to fit it in the frame with the lens extended... ;-) Godfrey
Re: 3rd time lucky.
On 19/8/05, John Likes, discombobulated, unleashed: By the way, does anyone know what the electrical plugs look like? I'll need to bring the right adapter. Try this page: http://www.teleadapt.com/countrycodes.php Teleadapt are well known for supplying all manner of adapters for laptop and power connections: http://www.teleadapt.com/shop/index.php Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: The travels and travails of Boris
On 20/8/05, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Why didn't they get the train 1. Because at time of booking coach was more than 4 times cheaper than train... Apologies Boris, you did tell me. 2. Also because there is no suitable train from Newcastle to London given the fact that Sunday, at 15:00 or so we are to be taking off for Israel... Ahar, you actually planned this journey out. I must learn from this :-) Finally, now that I've witnessed British traffic jams myself (or should I say with my own lower behind...), that would definitely add to the set of my experiences ;-)... This is one reason that I never (ever ever ever) travel on Bank Holiday Mondays. Ever. I appreciate that travelling in a foreign country can be arduous. Locals always look amazed - You came along the *beltway* at 5pm ??? Are you nuts?? Yeah and it was a walk in the park, as anyone who has ever travelled along the M6 between Birmingham and Manchester will attest. That stretch of motorway is often referred to as the biggest car park in Europe. Thank Jupiter I don't do that one very often. Quality of life is much more important to me in these years I'm living now, and that includes NOT sitting in traffic. If my company forced me to take up a position that entailed commuting in rush hour traffic, I would resign and take up farm labouring. Cotty, imagine in 50 years me sitting behind some ultra-electronic fireplace-o-matic telling my grand children that I actually sat in British traffic jams... At the moment it brings a little chuckle to my eyes... Hey you should have that outrageous cackle trademarked Boris. It's a pretty impressive weapon ;-) Hope the trip is going well and it was a pleasure to meet you sir. And Julia and Galia. (Why do i think of wine with those last two??) http://jobs.gallo.com/whoweare/profile.asp Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: 3rd time lucky.
Two round plugs, the continental European standard. 220V, 50Hz. BTW, to make your visit to Granada even better: get yourself a copy of Washington Irving´s _Tales of the Alhambra_. Start reading before your trip. Finish under the shadow of the gardens in the Alhambra. j On 8/20/05, John Likes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for the responses, and yes, cerveza works fairly well in Mexico as well. :-). By the way, does anyone know what the electrical plugs look like? I'll need to bring the right adapter. J.W.L. - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: 3rd time lucky. On 8/19/05, Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucas suggested the Paradores chain of hotels. They're excellent, although really expensive. Instead, you can choose whatever medium prize hotels you please, because hotels in Spain are good to excellent, provided you don't choose the cheapest possible accomodation. Even in that case, many places are decent. One of the best experiences I had was in a small hostal (a family-run little hotel) in Córdoba. Beautiful moorish house, I had my own little room, and breakfast in the moorish patio, served by the owner, all included for 23 euros. Or for the adventurous, or at least young at heart: http://www.hospitalityclub.org It is a hospitality exchange community. I´ve stayed with locals in Sevilla, Granada, Barcelona, Prague, and now I´ll spend a few days with someone in Budapest. Excellent way to actually see a place, hang out with locals, eat at the not-touristy spots, and make friends on the way. Cheers, j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
Konolta 35 1.4
Nice looking 35mm 1.4 for Konica-Minolta. It's a 'D' lens but can still be used on film cameras. Which got me thinking, can a (say) DA 50-200 be used on a Pentax film camera? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: August PUG is open (late reply)
Sorry for the late reply, but I was in vacation. Thanks to all who commented my picture (Bob, Dave, Boris,...) and other's, and to all who contributed, of course. --- Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Danding in Oslo's Harbour by Jaume Lahuerta - This one is special to me simply because I think I *know* where those people are dancing ;-). The composition is very clean though the right of the person on the left is cut off. I wonder if horizontal composition could work better... I tried with differents crops but I finally send the image in its original aspect (I didn't have much time to think when shooting...) Regards, Jaume __ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es
Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?
On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:25 AM, Glen wrote: I've heard a lot of nice things about KEH, but for the record, is there another source of used gear that I should consider besides KEH? I'm looking for some place with a similarly good reputation for honesty, who also maintains an on-line presence, like KEH does. Unfortunately, you will not find another firm as honest as KEH. King Grant is the founder/owner, and he is the most scrupulously honest man I have ever met, period. He has run his business to match his personal ethical standards from day one, totally without compromise. Does that mean KEH never makes mistakes? No, but they will go to amazing ends to make things right when they do. That being said, most of the advertisers you'll find in Shutterbug sell used equipment, often specializing in one or two brands. The number of complaints we got about used equipment transactions was always pretty low, and in almost all cases resolved to the customer's satisfaction. Problems are usually disagreements about the condition of equipment, and advertising laws allow a certain amount of puffery as normal business practice, so just be aware that your opinion of condition may not be quite as rosy as the seller's. Bob
Re: PESOs: Birds Behaving Badly
Fun stuff Joe. I've got to try some of that! Regards, Bob S. On 8/19/05, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Making noise, stuffing themselves, talking with food in their mouths. Disgusting. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3527/display/3762257 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3527/display/3762258 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3527/display/3762260 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3527/display/3762270 Joe
OT: Photographing insects
What this guy did is very cool: Setup: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/laser_module1_E.htm Pictures: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/beestjes/beestjes_page1.htm j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
Re: The Photographer's Rights
- Original Message - From: Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny thing is he probably did more good than any president in US history, but the only thing he is remembered for is Watergate. === Personally, I can think of quite a few presidents who did more for this country. But that is not to say Nixon didn't have his accomplishments. But did they do more good? Nixon got you out of Vietnam and Southeast Asia, signed treaties with Russia to limit WMD proliferation in both the USA and the USSR, began a dialogue with the Chinese and helped negotiate military disengagement between Israil, Syria and Egypt. Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. William Robb
Re: The Photographer's Rights
This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: The Photographer's Rights
In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?
In a message dated 8/19/2005 8:45:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adorama My dealings with Adorama have led to nothing but turmoil. They still owe me money after double charging me. They owe me again for sending a delivery to the wrong address, fortunately the reciever forwarded this on and I had to pick up the cost of freight. To thier credit, they have maintained an open dialog about the issues via email, but it is a long drawn out process. Kind regards Kevin = Sorry to hear that. I buy about 70-80% of the time from Adorama (20-30% of the time from ebay), and have never had any problem. Delivery is quick, orders are right, etc. I've even bought used gear from them. Once they were out of something and emailed me to tell me when it would be in stock. I didn't want to wait so I canceled the order. No problem. I suspect you had a rare occurrence of a mess up. (Politer term than what I would normally use. :-)) Which can happen to any company. Whatever. I like them. They are usually a few bucks cheaper than BH. Marnie aka Doe
Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?
On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 10:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect you had a rare occurrence of a mess up. (Politer term than what I would normally use. :-)) Which can happen to any company. Whatever. I like them. They are usually a few bucks cheaper than BH. Speaking again from the perspective of a photo magazine, we always had the smallest number of complaints about Adorama and B H of the NYC mailorder guys. If all of our advertisers had been like them we wouldn't have needed a full-time customer service person. And if all our advertisers had been like KEH we wouldn't have needed a customer service person at all! Bob
Re: OT: Photographing insects
On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 09:27 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: What this guy did is very cool: Setup: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/laser_module1_E.htm Pictures: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/beestjes/beestjes_page1.htm Is it just me, or does it seem to others like this guy went to one hell of a lot of trouble to produce photos that really aren't that great? I used to photograph insects with Novoflex follow-focus gear and an old Medical Nikkor and got some really good results. Bob (who is actually an entomologist by original training)
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Gerald Ford, (maybe, at least no major conflicts durring his administration). Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: The Photographer's Rights
The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-) -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
RE: Good Sources For Used Gear?
Best place to buy used gear? Right here on PDML; of the used equipment I have got via shops or eBay or here, the most reliable and honestly advertised items were mentioned for sale right here. Malcolm
Re: FA*24/2.0
On Aug 19, 2005, at 6:19 PM, keithw wrote: John Munro wrote: Godfrey, that's interesting what you have to say about the FA24. How did you tell it has a lot of chromatic aberration? Three different people have sent me a bunch of RAW files from the FA [The attachment star.gif has been manually removed] 24mm f/2AL [IF] that exhibited quite a lot of CA. You see it as color fringes around elements in a scene, particularly at the edges. Paul Stenquist sent me several images comparing the A24/2.8 and the FA*24/2. The A24 was much better wide open, and at most other apertures. I don't expect a zoom to perform as well as a prime. That said, in comparison with my A24/2.8, the FA20-35 produces results that are almost indistinguishable. Now, I have mentioned this before: I'm still perplexed by this FA*24 lens. Several people have told me that they just can't abide with it, and several others purport that it is a fabulous lens. I can only say that I've avoided it because of the extreme range of opinions I've discovered about it. I'm satisfied with both the A24/2.8 and the FA20-35 ... both return very good, very sharp, very low CA results. At least mine do. I shoot exclusively with the digital bodies, and the images I've seen from the FA*24 were all taken with the *ist D/DS bodies. I have no idea how this lens performs on film; it's not relevant to my uses for it. Was/is yours an FA*24, or just an FA24? Godfrey prefers an FA over an FA*, for some reason... Do you? I don't have an FA24 or an FA*24. There seems to be some discrepancy in the way this lens is listed in various place. I have the Pentax-A 24mm f/2.8. That's really all I have to say about it. Godfrey
Re: FA*24/2.0
Was/is yours an FA*24, or just an FA24? Godfrey prefers an FA over an FA*, for some reason... Do you? keith whaley === The plate on the side of my lens states, SMC PENTAX-FA* 1:2 24mm -IFAL- I've never heard of an FA24 versus an FA*24; so, I checked Dimitrov's site and couldn't find a listing for an FA24 there, only an FA*24 is listed. To answer your question, I have only used the FA*24 f/2 and the A24 f/2.8 - I prefer the FA*24 over the A24. The only aspect of the A24 I like over the FA*24 is the color of the lens' body - black vs. silver, respectively. The size and weight issue doesn't affect me as it does Godfrey - I suspect I'm older (and maybe stronger) than Godfrey, for I come from an era when it was sacreligious to use (or mention) miniature, lightweight 35mm cameras among professional photographers. It is beneficial to me having the extra f/stop speed and autofocus abilities of the FA*24, plus I think my FA*24 has superior optical qualities than my A24 - most of what I shoot is bw film and the bw tonal print qualities of the FA lens are not as harsh and contrasty as the A24 lens - i.e., the FA lens is more Leica-like - more sharpness with a pleasing, even, transitional blending of the gray scale. I realize this is VERY subjective, but it is my honest opinion and why I prefer the FA*24. Hope you have a good day, Keith. - JM
Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:27:58 -0400, Glen wrote: The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? scratches head I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different political stripes shaking hands over the six. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: FA*24/2.0
John Munro wrote: Was/is yours an FA*24, or just an FA24? Godfrey prefers an FA over an FA*, for some reason... Do you? keith whaley === The plate on the side of my lens states, SMC PENTAX-FA* 1:2 24mm -IFAL- I've never heard of an FA24 versus an FA*24; so, I checked Dimitrov's site and couldn't find a listing for an FA24 there, only an FA*24 is listed. Without naming names, because that's not what this discussion is all about, it happens that some people are not always sufficiently precise when stating what lens did what. Either they're shortening up the name, or forgot to add the *, or something like that. No doubt unintentional, but it happens. To answer your question, I have only used the FA*24 f/2 and the A24 f/2.8 - I prefer the FA*24 over the A24. The only aspect of the A24 I like over the FA*24 is the color of the lens' body - black vs. silver, respectively. The size and weight issue doesn't affect me as it does Godfrey - I suspect I'm older (and maybe stronger) than Godfrey, for I come from an era when it was sacreligious to use (or mention) miniature, lightweight 35mm cameras among professional photographers. It is beneficial to me having the extra f/stop speed and autofocus abilities of the FA*24, plus I think my FA*24 has superior optical qualities than my A24 - most of what I shoot is bw film and the bw tonal print qualities of the FA lens are not as harsh and contrasty as the A24 lens - i.e., the FA lens is more Leica-like - more sharpness with a pleasing, even, transitional blending of the gray scale. I realize this is VERY subjective, but it is my honest opinion and why I prefer the FA*24. Hope you have a good day, Keith. - JM Thanks for your evaluation. I do appreciate it. keith
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Besides, being involved in a military conflict isn't the same as being hell bent on starting them. Would anyone seriously suggest, for instance, that Wilson and FDR started, respectively, WWI and WWII? But they were involved (eventually.) (I know, not recent. Just the first examples that come to mind for illustrating the difference between starting and being involved.)
Re: OT: Photographing insects
Hmmm.. Well put, but a few pictuer are really great. This is some kind of A studio on a camera outfit! Regards Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 20. august 2005 16:53 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: OT: Photographing insects On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 09:27 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: What this guy did is very cool: Setup: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/laser_module1_E.htm Pictures: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/beestjes/beestjes_page1.htm Is it just me, or does it seem to others like this guy went to one hell of a lot of trouble to produce photos that really aren't that great? I used to photograph insects with Novoflex follow-focus gear and an old Medical Nikkor and got some really good results. Bob (who is actually an entomologist by original training)
RE: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards
that's a semicircle. I think it's a multicoloured dodecahedron with a sort of knobbly potato shape cut out of the middle and bisected by 6-dimensional string. At least, that's how I imagine it. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2005 17:48 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:27:58 -0400, Glen wrote: The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? scratches head I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different political stripes shaking hands over the six. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: The Photographer's Rights
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-) What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? William Henry Harrison. Anybody since him? As to recent presidents hell-bent on starting wars, I don't recall which wars Ford and Carter started.
RE: The Photographer's Rights
What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? you had a month-old president!? -- Cheers, Bob
Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards
The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? scratches head I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different political stripes shaking hands over the six. Some people claim this, but the concept is far from universally accepted. And, I personally do not see it at all (although I do see that the simple straight line concept is an oversimplification, too). Fred
Re: enabled 645 style
At 9:50 PM -0600 8/19/05, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Steve Sharpe Subject: enabled 645 style Now I need a 120 back...and more lenses...the fun begins! -- You can shoot more pictures with a 220 back. Right, but some of the films I like are not available in that format. -- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The Photographer's Rights
Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W you had a month-old president!?
Re: The Photographer's Rights
GDubya, with a cherry tree instead of a bush, AFAIK. Dario - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W you had a month-old president!?
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Starting with: Wilson- WWI Coolidge - (none) Hoover - (none) Roosevelt- WWII Truman - WWII Eisenhower - Korea Kennedy - Viet Nam Johnson - Viet Nam Nixon - Viet Nam Ford - (none) Carter - (none) Reagan - Libya, Nicaragua Bush - Iraq Clinton- Kosovo, etc. Bush - Afghanistan, Iraq Not all inclusive... Regards, Bob... By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. - Socrates - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: OT: Photographing insects
I think his photos of flying insects are very good. In fact, almost all other insect photos I've seen are of critters at rest. I would say this work is quite an achievement. Paul On Aug 20, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Bob Shell wrote: On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 09:27 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: What this guy did is very cool: Setup: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/laser_module1_E.htm Pictures: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/beestjes/beestjes_page1.htm Is it just me, or does it seem to others like this guy went to one hell of a lot of trouble to produce photos that really aren't that great? I used to photograph insects with Novoflex follow-focus gear and an old Medical Nikkor and got some really good results. Bob (who is actually an entomologist by original training)
Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 04:42:33PM +0100, Malcolm Smith wrote: Best place to buy used gear? Right here on PDML; of the used equipment I have got via shops or eBay or here, the most reliable and honestly advertised items were mentioned for sale right here. Despite personal experience (the only piece of used Pentax equipment I accquired that had any problems was actually from a PDML member :-) I'd agree with this whole-heartedly. Other than that I'd agree with Bob Shell - KEH as the first store I'd look at. Adorama BH are definitely reputable establishments; most of my new equipment purchases go to one or other of those stores. Apart from those I sometimes browse over to see what Charlotte Camera might have to offer - that's where I picked up a 250-600 some years ago. Back in the days before everything went to eBay rec.photo.marketplace used to be a good place to look; after a while you could get a feel for good vs. questionable deals. That's where most of my other used gear came from (both my A* lenses, my FA* 80-200, a NIB MX motor drive ...)
Re: FA*24/2.0
I find it hard to believe that people have such mixed feelings about this lens - either there are some batch to batch discrepancies (highly unlikely), or (more likely) some of the posters really don't know what they are talking about, and just find they aren't getting the results they are after, probably from their own deficiencies, not the lens'. Wide angle lenses are perhaps the most difficult to use; I know it took me several years of shooting before I really liked this lens. But now, you'd have to shoot me to get it off me. I have a collection of FA* lenses, as well as an FA 50mm macro and a DA 14mm, and I can tell you from vast experience that this is one of the sharpest and most detailed lenses in the entire Pentax lineup. The results from this lens are nothing short of stunning, provided you use proper techniques, good film, and you are not using a vibration prone PZ1 - PZ1P. On the *ist-D, the results are absolutely stunning. Occasionally, you will get some CA in extremely high contrast areas - in most cases, it does not print, or it is to fine to see unless you jam the print right up to your face, and if you shoot RAW, you can correct it. I have stunning, grain-free highly-detailed prints at 24x36 with this combination. I have beautiful prints hand held at iso 800 at 13x19, as well. One of the greatest lenses ever. Extremely low distortion, and even less on digital than on film because you are just using the centre of the lens elements. Shoot at F8 and it is sharp from 1.5' to infinity - you don't even have to focus. I delayed getting a DSLR for almost 2 years because people on this list said that this lens was 'terrible on digital'; really really bad CA, oh, my god. I didn't want to lose the use of my favorite lens, the 24, so I didn't buy a digital camera. I now feel stupid for having believed them so completely, and I missed out on 2 years of digital shooting because of it, not to mention the thousands of dollars I spent on film in the meantime. My advice is: don't listen to them - make up your own mind. I can only tell you my experience. When I finally did get an *ist D, and went shooting with the 24, I was stunned at the results; they approach or exceed the quality of medium format prints that I have seen. Detail and resolution that I always wanted but never got from film. Ever since then, I don't listen to posters on this list, or I at least take them with a (great big) grain of salt. Most of them were proven incredibly and completely WRONG by my experience. If you'd like some jpegs that will simply blow you away from this lens, drop me a line. Get a 24, and make up your own mind. You can always sell it if you don't like it; there are a LOT of people who would love this magnificent lens. Most decent camera stores will either lend you, or sell you on spec the lens to try out before you buy it. Personally, I WON'T be selling mine; I will be bequeathing it to some lucky bastard in my will. Thanks, Cameron
Re: OT: Photographing insects
I would never say I could do better But... This shot, for example, is NOT an achievement: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/vlb_foto/vlb_29653.htm I think what he's done on a technical standpoint is pretty damn cool. I could never put such a rig together. I think what he needs is more practice and a better sense of what to show as results. I was expecting sharp images and most looked to be highly cropped blurry images. Christian - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: OT: Photographing insects I think his photos of flying insects are very good. In fact, almost all other insect photos I've seen are of critters at rest. I would say this work is quite an achievement. Paul On Aug 20, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Bob Shell wrote: On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 09:27 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: What this guy did is very cool: Setup: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/laser_module1_E.htm Pictures: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/beestjes/beestjes_page1.htm Is it just me, or does it seem to others like this guy went to one hell of a lot of trouble to produce photos that really aren't that great? I used to photograph insects with Novoflex follow-focus gear and an old Medical Nikkor and got some really good results. Bob (who is actually an entomologist by original training)
Re: The Photographer's Rights
In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:02:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-) == Okay, I didn't want to say it, but here it is... Clinton. Other than not keeping his you-know-what in his pants, he was a pretty good president. 8 years of peace and prosperity. And that's the way it goes... Marnie aka Doe
Re: Konolta 35 1.4
At 07:17 AM 8/20/2005, Cotty wrote: Nice looking 35mm 1.4 for Konica-Minolta. It's a 'D' lens but can still be used on film cameras. Which got me thinking, can a (say) DA 50-200 be used on a Pentax film camera? No, it would have horrible falloff when used with a film camera, because it's image circle is only big enough for the smaller digital sensor. Sigma makes some lenses which are optimized for digital cameras, but still compatible with film cameras. Be careful however, they also make some strictly digital-only lenses like Pentax does. take care, Glen
RE: The Photographer's Rights
Well, this sounds like some sort of trick question, but I'll go for it. The White House website tells me it was George Washington, as I suspected. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2005 18:15 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W you had a month-old president!?
Re: The Photographer's Rights
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:02:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-) == Okay, I didn't want to say it, but here it is... Clinton. Other than not keeping his you-know-what in his pants, he was a pretty good president. 8 years of peace and prosperity. And that's the way it goes... Marnie aka Doe I didn't bring up Clinton because, what with Haiti and Somalia, I thought there might be room for argument.
Re: PESO: Out door Piercing Studio
In a message dated 8/17/2005 6:05:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am serious, deadly serious, despite my silly jokes. And no, I don't believe I'm an old fart in this. Sorry for being such a party killer. Tim = No, the photo is okay. You can't jump to the assumption that it is self-mutilation to relieve pain. It could be they were just going to stick another ring in her cheek (mouth? lip?). In other words, decoration. Also, showing photographs of people doing unpleasant/bad things is not promoting it, just showing it. Kind of a gross photo, but good expression on the girl. I don't like piercing OR tattoos. But when I was growing up only guys in the navy, bikers, cons, and low lifes got tattoos. So they were lower class. But I am just a female old fart. Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Bob W wrote: Well, this sounds like some sort of trick question, but I'll go for it. The White House website tells me it was George Washington, as I suspected. -- Cheers, Bob Unless, of course, it might have been Samuel Huntington. -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2005 18:15 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel
Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G
Rhetoric forms a straight line, tactics form a circle. Moderates seldom use brute force, though moral persuasion' isn't out of the question, utopias of any stripe tend to be willing to kill their neighbors to achieve their utopia. Fred wrote: The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? scratches head I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different political stripes shaking hands over the six. Some people claim this, but the concept is far from universally accepted. And, I personally do not see it at all (although I do see that the simple straight line concept is an oversimplification, too). Fred -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Articles of Confederation -- John Hanson New Federal Constitution -- George Washington But just in case you were referring to the Continental Congress -- Peyton Randolph (I had to look that one up). Shel Belinkoff wrote: Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W you had a month-old president!? -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: The Photographer's Rights
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny thing is he probably did more good than any president in US history, but the only thing he is remembered for is Watergate. === Personally, I can think of quite a few presidents who did more for this country. But that is not to say Nixon didn't have his accomplishments. But did they do more good? Nixon got you out of Vietnam and Southeast Asia, signed treaties with Russia to limit WMD proliferation in both the USA and the USSR, began a dialogue with the Chinese and helped negotiate military disengagement between Israil, Syria and Egypt. Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. William Robb You are probably right. Note, however, that being right about Nixon is an unpopular expression. Lewis, who spent his other life in the history field. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Oh yea, just forget about the war in Kosovo and throwing missiles arround... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:02:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Moro Wars. (Aftermath of the Philippine Insurrection). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 7:14:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin == Uh. Taft? Marnie aka Doe :-) == Okay, I didn't want to say it, but here it is... Clinton. Other than not keeping his you-know-what in his pants, he was a pretty good president. 8 years of peace and prosperity. And that's the way it goes... Marnie aka Doe -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: FA*24/2.0
On 20/8/05, Cameron Hood, discombobulated, unleashed: I delayed getting a DSLR for almost 2 years because people on this list said that this lens was 'terrible on digital'; really really bad CA, oh, my god. I didn't want to lose the use of my favorite lens, the 24, so I didn't buy a digital camera. I now feel stupid for having believed them so completely, and I missed out on 2 years of digital shooting because of it, not to mention the thousands of dollars I spent on film in the meantime. My advice is: don't listen to them - make up your own mind. I can only tell you my experience. Yo Cam! Don't let the bastards grind you down VBG Actually you made 2 mistakes, cos as well as not getting a DSLR for 2 years while you were hiding under a barrel, you then went and got a Pentax! grinning, ruinning, diving Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards
- Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's a multicoloured dodecahedron with a sort of knobbly potato shape cut out of the middle and bisected by 6-dimensional string. At least, that's how I imagine it. With the occasional sparc of octarine light emanating from the intersections. Cheers, Rincewind and Twoflower
Re: OT: Photographing insects
On 20/8/05, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: What this guy did is very cool: Setup: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/laser_module1_E.htm Pictures: http://users.skynet.be/fotoopa/beestjes/beestjes_page1.htm Mary Mother of God Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards
On 20/8/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: that's a semicircle. I think it's a multicoloured dodecahedron with a sort of knobbly potato shape cut out of the middle and bisected by 6-dimensional string. At least, that's how I imagine it. Fish. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: The Photographer's Rights
On 20/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Other than not keeping his you-know-what in his pants, he was a pretty good president. 8 years of peace and prosperity. Okay, pardon me but this joke isn't bad and seems like a good place to chuck it in... George Bush has a heart attack and dies. Obviously, he goes to hell where the devil is waiting for him. I'm not sure what to do, says the devil. You're on my list but I have no room for you. As you definitely have to stay here, I'm going to have to let someone else go. I've got three folks here who weren't quite as bad as you. I'll let one of them go, but you have to take their place. I'll even let you decide who leaves. George thought that sounded pretty good, so he agreed. The devil opened the first room. In it was Richard Nixon and a large pool of water. He kept diving in and climbing out, over and over. Such was his fate in hell. No! George said. I don't think so. I'm not a good swimmer and don't think I could do that all day long. The devil led him to the next room. In it was Tony Blair with a sledge hammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing the hammer, time after time. No! I've got this problem with my shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day. commented George. The devil opened a third door. In it, George saw Bill Clinton lying on the floor with his arms staked over his head, and his legs staked in a spread-eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she does best. George Bush looked at this in disbelief for a while and finally said, Yeah, I can handle this. The devil smiled and said, Ok, Monica, you're free to go! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: OT: Photographing insects
At 10:53 AM 8/20/2005, Bob Shell wrote: Is it just me, or does it seem to others like this guy went to one hell of a lot of trouble to produce photos that really aren't that great? I thought some of the images were nice enough. I think he mostly needs to be more selective in which images he actually publishes. I get the impression that his gadget actually determines when to take the picture. That eliminates the benefit of human intelligence controlling the composition. I suspect he gets lots of poorly composed shots, and only a relatively few nice ones. Still, I can't imagine getting a high percentage of nice shots of FLYING insects, no matter what technique you might use. I also agree that he went to a LOT of trouble to get them. It seems to me that his circuitry and laser arrangement is much more complicated than it needs to be. For example, instead of using 8 laser pointers, why not use one laser diode and several small mirrors to create a grid of laser lines which get broken when the bug flies through the plane of focus? It should be far cheaper and easier. Also, going to the trouble of rapidly pulsing the lasers, to prevent the sensors from being fooled by sunlight might not be needed if the sensors are simply AC-coupled, which is much easier and cheaper to arrange. (Admittedly, pulsing would reduce the power consumption somewhat, and would be handy if he intends to leave this rig running unattended for long periods of time using only battery power.) Some people love creating their own electronics, and it's easy to get carried away with adding complexity. He probably got as much fun out of designing and building his Laser-Guided Bug Blaster(tm), as he's having with the photography. I happen to be an electronics technician, and I've been planning to build some remote triggering devices for my *istDS (but not for flying insects.) I don't think I will be building anything so complicated as what this fellow did. take care, Glen
Re: The Photographer's Rights
ROTFLMFAO Dave (wiping tears from his eyes) On 8/21/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Other than not keeping his you-know-what in his pants, he was a pretty good president. 8 years of peace and prosperity. Okay, pardon me but this joke isn't bad and seems like a good place to chuck it in... George Bush has a heart attack and dies. Obviously, he goes to hell where the devil is waiting for him. I'm not sure what to do, says the devil. You're on my list but I have no room for you. As you definitely have to stay here, I'm going to have to let someone else go. I've got three folks here who weren't quite as bad as you. I'll let one of them go, but you have to take their place. I'll even let you decide who leaves. George thought that sounded pretty good, so he agreed. The devil opened the first room. In it was Richard Nixon and a large pool of water. He kept diving in and climbing out, over and over. Such was his fate in hell. No! George said. I don't think so. I'm not a good swimmer and don't think I could do that all day long. The devil led him to the next room. In it was Tony Blair with a sledge hammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing the hammer, time after time. No! I've got this problem with my shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day. commented George. The devil opened a third door. In it, George saw Bill Clinton lying on the floor with his arms staked over his head, and his legs staked in a spread-eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she does best. George Bush looked at this in disbelief for a while and finally said, Yeah, I can handle this. The devil smiled and said, Ok, Monica, you're free to go! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Konolta 35 1.4
On 2005-08-20, at 13:17, Cotty wrote: Nice looking 35mm 1.4 for Konica-Minolta. It's a 'D' lens but can still be used on film cameras. Which got me thinking, can a (say) DA 50-200 be used on a Pentax film camera? No, DA lenses provide image circle suitable for APS-C sensor. There are however some lenses like Pentax DFA series or Tamron Di, that are usable on film, and were made more compatible with digital sensors too whatever it means ;-) Best regards Sylwek
Re: FA*24/2.0
Hello Cameron, I think you need to be cautious about putting down others for their findings. I do know how to use wide angles, as well as that lens, having owned two of them. My film experience was very good. My digital experience was not. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, August 20, 2005, 11:05:06 AM, you wrote: CH I find it hard to believe that people have such mixed feelings about CH this lens - either there are some batch to batch discrepancies (highly CH unlikely), or (more likely) some of the posters really don't know what CH they are talking about, and just find they aren't getting the results CH they are after, probably from their own deficiencies, not the lens'. CH Wide angle lenses are perhaps the most difficult to use; I know it took CH me several years of shooting before I really liked this lens. But now, CH you'd have to shoot me to get it off me. CH I have a collection of FA* lenses, as well as an FA 50mm macro and a DA CH 14mm, and I can tell you from vast experience that this is one of the CH sharpest and most detailed lenses in the entire Pentax lineup. The CH results from this lens are nothing short of stunning, provided you use CH proper techniques, good film, and you are not using a vibration prone CH PZ1 - PZ1P. On the *ist-D, the results are absolutely stunning. CH Occasionally, you will get some CA in extremely high contrast areas - CH in most cases, it does not print, or it is to fine to see unless you CH jam the print right up to your face, and if you shoot RAW, you can CH correct it. I have stunning, grain-free highly-detailed prints at CH 24x36 with this combination. I have beautiful prints hand held at iso CH 800 at 13x19, as well. CH One of the greatest lenses ever. Extremely low distortion, and even CH less on digital than on film because you are just using the centre of CH the lens elements. Shoot at F8 and it is sharp from 1.5' to infinity - CH you don't even have to focus. CH I delayed getting a DSLR for almost 2 years because people on this list CH said that this lens was 'terrible on digital'; really really bad CA, CH oh, my god. I didn't want to lose the use of my favorite lens, the 24, CH so I didn't buy a digital camera. I now feel stupid for having believed CH them so completely, and I missed out on 2 years of digital shooting CH because of it, not to mention the thousands of dollars I spent on film CH in the meantime. My advice is: don't listen to them - make up your own CH mind. I can only tell you my experience. CH When I finally did get an *ist D, and went shooting with the 24, I was CH stunned at the results; they approach or exceed the quality of medium CH format prints that I have seen. Detail and resolution that I always CH wanted but never got from film. Ever since then, I don't listen to CH posters on this list, or I at least take them with a (great big) grain CH of salt. Most of them were proven incredibly and completely WRONG by my CH experience. CH If you'd like some jpegs that will simply blow you away from this lens, CH drop me a line. CH Get a 24, and make up your own mind. You can always sell it if you CH don't like it; there are a LOT of people who would love this CH magnificent lens. Most decent camera stores will either lend you, or CH sell you on spec the lens to try out before you buy it. CH Personally, I WON'T be selling mine; I will be bequeathing it to some CH lucky bastard in my will. CH Thanks, CH Cameron
Re: Konolta 35 1.4
On Aug 20, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Glen wrote: Nice looking 35mm 1.4 for Konica-Minolta. It's a 'D' lens but can still be used on film cameras. Which got me thinking, can a (say) DA 50-200 be used on a Pentax film camera? No, it would have horrible falloff when used with a film camera, because it's image circle is only big enough for the smaller digital sensor. Not necessarily. For instance, the DA40/2.8 has been shown to fully cover the 24x36mm format with exceptional quality, and even the DA16-45 and DA18-55 can be used with good results on 24x36mm as long as you stay over 22-24mm focal length. They vignette at shorter focal lengths. I suspect the DA50-200 would do better than you think. More significant is that the DA series lenses have no aperture ring so can only be used effectively on cameras that support controlling the aperture from the body. I tested the DA14 on the MX body. It vignettes quite a bit but still achieves a useful 24x24mm format on the 35mm frame, but can only be used at f/22 due to the lack of aperture control. Godfrey
Re: FA*24/2.0
On Aug 20, 2005, at 9:28 AM, John Munro wrote: ... The size and weight issue doesn't affect me as it does Godfrey - I suspect I'm older (and maybe stronger) than Godfrey, for I come from an era when it was sacreligious to use (or mention) miniature, lightweight 35mm cameras among professional photographers. ... LOL ... I don't know, John. I'm just shy of 51 years old and bench press 250lbs easily. ;-) I hate carrying excessively large and heavy gear. Has nothing to do with strength or age. Godfrey
Re: FA*24/2.0
On Aug 20, 2005, at 11:05 AM, Cameron Hood wrote: ... Get a 24, and make up your own mind. ... That's exactly what two friends of mine in the UK did. John (DS body) bought one, used it for a month, and sold it: didn't like the CA, the weight or the bulk. Richard (D body) bought one and finds it his standard lens, the one he uses most of the time. I find I tend to like what John likes more than what Richard likes. Both take good photographs and have credible opinions about things that we have both owned or used. Godfrey
Re: The Photographer's Rights
At 10:12 AM 8/20/2005, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the recent US presidents have been hell bent on starting wars, Nixon seems to have been commited to ending them. I dont know a great deal about American history but, who was the last president _NOT_ involved in a military conflict? Kind regards Kevin Are you only counting major wars, or are you including all military actions abroad? Nixon ordered Operation Kingpin, which was a POW rescue mission, deep in Vietnam. It wasn't a war in itself, but it did involve invading Vietnam briefly. (They also didn't find the POWs they were looking for, and came home empty handed.) Jimmy Carter had his failed Iranian hostage rescue mission. I can't remember him actually _starting_ any military conflicts, and I don't think you are counting defensive rescue missions anyway. So, my answer would be Jimmy Carter -- unless you consider a defensive rescue mission being involved in a military conflict. Now just answer one thing for me, how does all this affect photographers' rights? ;-) take care, Glen
Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards
At 12:48 PM 8/20/2005, Doug Franklin wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:27:58 -0400, Glen wrote: The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? scratches head I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different political stripes shaking hands over the six. I really don't think there will be much hand shaking if you put extremists of opposite polarity together. I really don't think the political spectrum is a circle. I also don't see how this is relevant to Pentax cameras. ;-) take care, Glen
Re: FA*24/2.0
Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello Cameron, I think you need to be cautious about putting down others for their findings. I do know how to use wide angles, as well as that lens, having owned two of them. My film experience was very good. My digital experience was not. Well, I'm going to keep mine, until/unless it's proven to be a consummate dog. Aren't I, Bruce? g So far, the answer is NO! Absolutely not! I think the 24mm is a perfect f/l. All depends... It took me a long time to learn how to use my 19mm, and I expect a lot of that will rub off on using the 24. I've just started using it, altho' I bought it a full year ago... sighhh. keith
Re: PESO: The Fedex Box
Nice folder, Frank. Excellent overall. My favorites are portrait of Ninja and Tofu Through the Warehouses. But there are man fine shots here. Paul On Aug 19, 2005, at 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/2005 9:12:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For those of you who haven't been following this series, here's my CMWC (Cycle Messengers World Championship) folder in photo.net, if you're interested in getting a feel for the event and some of the people there: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=509434 Hope you enjoy. cheers, frank == Wow, some very nice stuff here, frank. I guess I am getting used to seeing your stuff in focus. :-) I especially like: Frank's Rossin..., Portrait of a Ninja, Handlebars and a Mustache, and Chris and Carlos. But others are very nice too. Hey, you've gotten good. Not that you weren't before, er, ... Okay, you've gotten better. Impressed. Marnie aka Doe (What it is, is I think having things in focus helps a lot. ;-))
PAW: People Portraits 2005 #32 - GDG
He was bubbling over with enthusiasm, talking about these two guys with Harley-Davidsons who had just left the cafe, and thoroughly enjoyed the dash and style of them: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/32.htm Comments, critique, flames always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey
Re: The Photographer's Rights
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? you had a month-old president!? He just acts that way. HAR!! WW
Re: FA*24/2.0
Atta boy, Cameron, give them naysayers Hell!!! Viva FA*24! ===
RE: FA*24/2.0
Yo Cam! Don't let the bastards grind you down VBG Actually you made 2 mistakes, cos as well as not getting a DSLR for 2 years while you were hiding under a barrel, you then went and got a Pentax! grinning, ruinning, diving Having played with my mother-in-law's Rebel XT, with her $85.00 battery packs (2 AA's stitched together with a piece of plastic) I'm glad I did. Even with her battery grip, she can only fit 6 AA's - the *ist D fits 8. And the distortion on her IS lenses is amazing - her Taj Mahal shots look like the building was designed by Picasso. Nice and sharp in the centre, though... If it doesn't FLARE! Oh, yeah, and did I mention that her camera crashes with the battery grip on - a lot! Even with a good card in it, and fresh batteries. Just plain locks up solid - have to reboot all the time; it'd drive me batty. My friend Gary bought a Nikon D70 and his battery packs are $100.00... no grip available... well! His new lens just died, as well... the 18-70 kit lens thing... grinding noises, won't zoom... 2 months old. Gone to Nikon for fixing. At least you've got some decent glass on your franken-thingy... too bad you're too old to hold it steady! Nyuk, nyuk. Seen this? http://www.guitarshredshow.com/ Turn up your speakers. I luv youse guyses'z's. Pentax rules! Cameron
Re: FA*24/2.0
I think you need to be cautious about putting down others for their findings. I do know how to use wide angles, as well as that lens, having owned two of them. My film experience was very good. My digital experience was not. -- Best regards, Bruce Present company excepted, Bruce. I always liked your shots, and respected your opinion, having been on (and off) this list since about 1996 or so. Thanks, Cameron
Re: Konolta 35 1.4
Nice looking 35mm 1.4 for Konica-Minolta. It's a 'D' lens but can still be used on film cameras. -- Hmmm. Is it really a Konolta design, or rebadged from Sigma? Joe
RE: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Thanks to everybody who shared their experience and thoughts on this subject! Igor
Re: OT: Photographing insects
I have browsed his site with admiration, and indeed, I think his major achievement is catching flying insects. http://home.versateladsl.be/debakker/uitrusting_frame_set.htm This page on his site will probably not be understood by most of you, as it is in Dutch, and even I don't really catch the whole story, as this guy is not really writing in a structured way, but from what I understand, he tries to trigger a camera by a bullet, fired from a gun, cutting through a wire. I only assume that he wants to shoot the bullet during it's flight or during impact. Anyway, if he's doing that kind of high-speed-photography, flying insects should be a piece of cake. Groeten, Vic Glen wrote: At 10:53 AM 8/20/2005, Bob Shell wrote: relatively few nice ones. Still, I can't imagine getting a high percentage of nice shots of FLYING insects, no matter what technique you might use.
Re: The Photographer's Rights
This one time, at band camp, Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you only counting major wars, or are you including all military actions abroad? Any military action is an act of war. This rubbish about police actions and the like wears a little thin very quickly, especially for those on the recieving end. I am not saying that they are all unjust, there just seems to be an aweful lot of them, and the American Govt seems to change sides every decade... or is it with every change of office. I recall America not allowing its athletes to participate in the 1980 Olympic games because USSR was at war with Afghanistan. Who woulda thunk it? Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: PAW: People Portraits 2005 #32 - GDG
That's what you can certainly read from his eyes! I've seen these eyes before, but most of the times, the 'bubbling over' is rather bothering me... A common problem with respectable people that live in another world due to their age. Maybe I am the problem and should regret. Groeten, Vic Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: He was bubbling over with enthusiasm, talking about these two guys with Harley-Davidsons who had just left the cafe, and thoroughly enjoyed the dash and style of them: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/32.htm Comments, critique, flames always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey
Re: The travels and travails of Boris
Cotty wrote: On 20/8/05, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Why didn't they get the train 1. Because at time of booking coach was more than 4 times cheaper than train... Apologies Boris, you did tell me. 2. Also because there is no suitable train from Newcastle to London given the fact that Sunday, at 15:00 or so we are to be taking off for Israel... Ahar, you actually planned this journey out. I must learn from this :-) Finally, now that I've witnessed British traffic jams myself (or should I say with my own lower behind...), that would definitely add to the set of my experiences ;-)... This is one reason that I never (ever ever ever) travel on Bank Holiday Mondays. Ever. I appreciate that travelling in a foreign country can be arduous. Locals always look amazed - You came along the *beltway* at 5pm ??? Are you nuts?? Yeah and it was a walk in the park, as anyone who has ever travelled along the M6 between Birmingham and Manchester will attest. That stretch of motorway is often referred to as the biggest car park in Europe. Thank Jupiter I don't do that one very often. Quality of life is much more important to me in these years I'm living now, and that includes NOT sitting in traffic. If my company forced me to take up a position that entailed commuting in rush hour traffic, I would resign and take up farm labouring. Cotty, imagine in 50 years me sitting behind some ultra-electronic fireplace-o-matic telling my grand children that I actually sat in British traffic jams... At the moment it brings a little chuckle to my eyes... Hey you should have that outrageous cackle trademarked Boris. It's a pretty impressive weapon ;-) Hope the trip is going well and it was a pleasure to meet you sir. And Julia and Galia. (Why do i think of wine with those last two??) http://jobs.gallo.com/whoweare/profile.asp With the latter, you should think of tomato ketchup. I've just received an object lesson in the dispersal of said sauce. With no apparent effort, all visible surface were covered. Very impressive and all with the most charming smile. Just placed clan Liberman on the return coach from a very drunken centre of Newcastle after a stupendous day thundering about the Northumbrian coast in nothing less than spectacular weather. I am the proverbial boiled lobster. Time for bed. Z
Re: Konolta 35 1.4
I'm betting on a rebadge - their 28-75/2.8 and 17-35/2.8-4 are both Tamrons. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, August 20, 2005, 2:13:24 PM, you wrote: JT Nice looking 35mm 1.4 for Konica-Minolta. It's a 'D' lens but can still JT be used on film cameras. JT -- JT Hmmm. Is it really a Konolta design, or rebadged from Sigma? JT Joe
Re: The Photographer's Rights
This one time, at band camp, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? William Henry Harrison. Anybody since him? As to recent presidents hell-bent on starting wars, I don't recall which wars Ford and Carter started. Ford - Invasion of East timor by Indonesia had full backing of Ford and Kissenger. All the weapons were supplied by the US. Carter - backed a series of surrogate wars in Angola, Mozambique, Central American, the Caribbean and was there in Afghanistan also. Harrison - Old Tip new little of anything exept the military Most of the conflicts during this period were in the frontiers as battles raged against the Indians. Harrison was a leader in these 'battles'. Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: FA*24/2.0
On 20/8/05, Cameron Hood, discombobulated, unleashed: her Taj Mahal shots look like the building was designed by Picasso. LOL Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: FA*24/2.0
On 20/8/05, Cameron Hood, discombobulated, unleashed: At least you've got some decent glass on your franken-thingy... too bad you're too old to hold it steady! Nyuk, nyuk. LOL You got me there pal :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: FA*24/2.0
On 20/8/05, Cameron Hood, discombobulated, unleashed: Seen this? http://www.guitarshredshow.com/ Did I mention that we're off to see Alison Krauss in London in a couple of weeks? g Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards
On 20/8/05, Glen, discombobulated, unleashed: I also don't see how this is relevant to Pentax cameras. Mark! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW: People Portraits 2005 #32 - GDG
On 20/8/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: He was bubbling over with enthusiasm, talking about these two guys with Harley-Davidsons who had just left the cafe, and thoroughly enjoyed the dash and style of them: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/32.htm Comments, critique, flames always appreciated. Nice shot Godders. Like it a lot. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
PESO - Politics
Pentax *istD, K 200/2.5, Handheld ISO 200, 1/750 sec @ f/4 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_2171.htm Comments welcome -- Best regards, Bruce
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Give that man a Kewpie doll! Very good Peter. Washington was actually the eighth President of the US. Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling Articles of Confederation -- John Hanson New Federal Constitution -- George Washington But just in case you were referring to the Continental Congress -- Peyton Randolph (I had to look that one up). Shel Belinkoff wrote: Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US?
RE: The Photographer's Rights
Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick question. Think about this for a moment: The country was officially formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. Washington was inaugurated in April of 1789. We were not leaderless during those years before Washington became president. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W Well, this sounds like some sort of trick question, but I'll go for it. The White House website tells me it was George Washington, as I suspected. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US?
Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 questions
Hello David, When I got this lens, I had quite specific needs. I already had a Tokina 80-200/2.8. I found that lens to not really fit me. For my wedding work, it was too big and bulky to use comfortably - I replaced it with an A 70-210/4 and for my baseball work I needed a lens that went to at least 300 and could be used at f4 with good results. There is always the teleconverter route and I tried that first. Just didn't like the results all that much. Not to mention that AF is slowed down a bit when having to go through the converter. About the only time I use AF is for this baseball stuff. So the only lens that would really fit my needs was the Sigma 100-300/4 EX. I can say that through testing, I am satisfied with it's wide open performance. Overall, optically it is very good. The tripod collar is very nice and quick to switch the lens orientation and the hood is very good - bayonet both ways so can be stored on lens when not in use. Build quality seems to be quite good - doesn't have that indestructable feel of the Tokinas though. Both zoom and focus are internal so the lens body doesn't change length at all - very usable that way. So yes, I would recommend it, if that is the kind of thing you are needing. I generally shoot it from a monopod. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, August 18, 2005, 9:33:17 PM, you wrote: DS G'day Bruce, DS I'm already saving for my Christmas present to myself g. I've been DS eyeing either the Sigma 100-300 f4 or the 70-200 f2.8. DS I'd be interested in the hear your thoughts and opinions of the 100-300 f4. DS Dave DS On 8/19/05, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Igor, DS snip At one point I owned this lens. The two issues I had with it were that at 200mm and f2.8 it was too soft. It sharpened up by f4 or shorter focal lengths. The second issue was that for most of my use (wedding/portraits) it was just too big and heavy. I finally ended up with a Sigma 100-300/4 EX for sports shooting on a monopod and the A 70-210/4 for my wedding and portrait work. DS snip Bruce
RE: The Photographer's Rights
Why hasn't anybody told the White House? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2005 01:30 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Photographer's Rights Give that man a Kewpie doll! Very good Peter. Washington was actually the eighth President of the US. Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling Articles of Confederation -- John Hanson New Federal Constitution -- George Washington But just in case you were referring to the Continental Congress -- Peyton Randolph (I had to look that one up). Shel Belinkoff wrote: Yes - it was in this country's infancy. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US?
Re: PESO - Politics
In a message dated 8/20/2005 5:31:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pentax *istD, K 200/2.5, Handheld ISO 200, 1/750 sec @ f/4 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_2171.htm Comments welcome -- Best regards, Bruce == Hehehehehe. No sure if that is the comment you wanted, but it's my reaction. Marnie aka Doe ;-)
RE: The Photographer's Rights
No, Shel, we weren't leaderless. Neither was there a President of the United States. Rather, there was a President of the Congress of the Confederation which operated under the Articles of Confederation. Lewis From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick question. Think about this for a moment: The country was officially formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. Washington was inaugurated in April of 1789. We were not leaderless during those years before Washington became president. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W Well, this sounds like some sort of trick question, but I'll go for it. The White House website tells me it was George Washington, as I suspected. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: PESO - Politics
I would call it politics: liberal/conservative Jim A. From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:28:40 -0700 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Politics Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:28:45 -0400 Pentax *istD, K 200/2.5, Handheld ISO 200, 1/750 sec @ f/4 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_2171.htm Comments welcome -- Best regards, Bruce
Pentax warehouse sale, R.I.P. (lengthish)
I live in the Denver metro area, which, as everyone probably knows, is also headquarters for Pentax USA, the importer, distributor, marketer and so on here. Ten years ago and going forward, they used to throw a big warehouse sale annually which they promoted mostly by word of mouth as a sort of insider's secret event among the folks in the office park. I was usually the first weekend in December, convenient for early shopping for holiday gifts, and was held in Pentax headquarters in a shipping area the size of a basketball gymnasium. They were mostly selling discontinued items and warranty returned refurbished stuff they called Type II. It was mostly mid-range stuff, rarely current top of the line, but the prices were good and people would line up for the opening bell in the hope of finding some one-off gem. I remember when they sold the clear plastic demo bodies they used when the introduced the all electronic PZ line. Once, they changed models from the 6X7 to the 67II or some such and there were some pretty big smiles going out the door on the lucky few who got the old version at dealer cost. Mostly I just went to kick tires and score a free Pentax mouse pad or anniversary pin. A couple of years ago Pentax closed that facility and moved to another--most likely smaller--one, and the sale ended. For a while, there was a late-summer Tent Sale held in the parking lot of a local high-end photo retailer called Mike's Camera. It was the Pentax event, scaled down some, but with Pentax reps, Type II and discontinued stuff, and lots of selection. Last year they had several different MZ-? bodies, FA lenses (24-90 and 35-prime among others) There was also, last year--and I found this a little ominous--some fairly longish 6 x 7 glass that just screamed discontinued. I actually bought a new-in-box MS-Z for $325 and a 28-105 power zoom for $90.00. This year, the retailer advertised the tent sale again so I wheeled bye to check the possibilities. No official Pentax presence this year. Pentax isn't sponsoring it this year, I was told, Don't know who disinvited who. Instead the event was regular promotional merchandise and store clearance items. They had three OPTIO models, the 555, the S40, and a discontinued 3 meg model I can't recall. There were a respectable number of people showing interest. The only 35mm stuff on offer was a huge pile of refurbished IQ-Zoom 145's priced at $99.00 and attracting zero attention The store clearance items, to my surprise, included; Pentax 645N, Contax and Mamyia 645. I don't know that market well, but the prices didn't seem too wonderful, and there wasn't any tide of surging humanity scooping them up. I guess the point of this is best left as an exercise for the student to borrow the phrase. Maybe its the digital revolution, maybe it's about Pentax as a brand, and maybe it's about nitch camera shops having to compete with Circuit City and Dell and so on. I didn't come away feeling upbeat though Ironically, whilst maneuvering the massively busy streets of this mega-shop-plex where the camera shop was, I saw, out of the corner of my eye, a high-rise electric dealer sign for Oldsmobile. Not sure what's actually on that lot these days, but the sign is still there. J.W.L.
Re: PESO - Politics
I was thinking left and right wing myself. -- Bruce Saturday, August 20, 2005, 6:31:54 PM, you wrote: JA I would call it politics: liberal/conservative JA Jim A. From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:28:40 -0700 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Politics Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:28:45 -0400 Pentax *istD, K 200/2.5, Handheld ISO 200, 1/750 sec @ f/4 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_2171.htm Comments welcome -- Best regards, Bruce
RE: The Photographer's Rights
It doesn't necessarily mean the leaders were presidents though. Who was the first Emperor of Rome? Rome was founded in 753BC. The first Emperor assumed power in 27BC, but Rome wasn't leaderless during those first 730 years. Why doesn't the White House list those people who were before George Washington? And why did George Washington get a state *and* a city named after him, but Peyton only got a Place? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2005 01:37 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick question. Think about this for a moment: The country was officially formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. Washington was inaugurated in April of 1789. We were not leaderless during those years before Washington became president. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W Well, this sounds like some sort of trick question, but I'll go for it. The White House website tells me it was George Washington, as I suspected. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US?
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Well, considering the powers of the presidency under the Articles of Confederation, maybe we were... Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick question. Think about this for a moment: The country was officially formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. Washington was inaugurated in April of 1789. We were not leaderless during those years before Washington became president. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W Well, this sounds like some sort of trick question, but I'll go for it. The White House website tells me it was George Washington, as I suspected. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Washington got a city named after him because he was instrumental in getting the Federal City built in it's present location, although in truth it was at one time almost twice as large, including what is currently city of Alexandra VA. Besides being the first actual President of the US under the new constitution and being the foremost hero of the revolutionary war, Washington defining what it was to be President, an office that is in many ways a sketch. It could have turned out much different had someone else been first. Washington started a number of traditions, amongst them that the President actually read the State of the Union address, and that a President only serve two terms, which no one was willing to break until FDR. Which horrified the congress so much that they changed the Constitution so that it could never happen again. Finally we come to Washington's place in world history. It's hard to gauge, until Washington no leader in the Modern world had given up hard won power except reluctantly. Washington simply put down the reigns of power not once but twice, once when his Officer corps seemed to be looking to proclaim him King or maybe Emperor. Once after being elected to the position that is most like a King in any republic, both head of government and head of state. Napoleon when he saved the French revolution and later had himself made Emperor of France, is supposed to have said. Everyone wants me to be Washington... Bob W wrote: It doesn't necessarily mean the leaders were presidents though. Who was the first Emperor of Rome? Rome was founded in 753BC. The first Emperor assumed power in 27BC, but Rome wasn't leaderless during those first 730 years. Why doesn't the White House list those people who were before George Washington? And why did George Washington get a state *and* a city named after him, but Peyton only got a Place? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 August 2005 01:37 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: The Photographer's Rights Hi Bob ... Nope, it's not a trick question. Think about this for a moment: The country was officially formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. Washington was inaugurated in April of 1789. We were not leaderless during those years before Washington became president. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W Well, this sounds like some sort of trick question, but I'll go for it. The White House website tells me it was George Washington, as I suspected. Speaking of which, who was the first president of the US? -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: PESO - Politics
Nice, Bruce, as always. Clever title, too. Joe
Re: OT: Photographing insects
from what I understand, he tries to trigger a camera by a bullet, fired from a gun, cutting through a wire. I only assume that he wants to shoot the bullet during it's flight or during impact. Anyway, if he's doing that kind of high-speed-photography, flying insects should be a piece of cake. ...except that the path of a bullet is more predictable than the path of an insect. Fred
Re: The Photographer's Rights
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the one who caught cold at his inauguration and only lived a month? William Henry Harrison. Anybody since him? As to recent presidents hell-bent on starting wars, I don't recall which wars Ford and Carter started. Ford - Invasion of East timor by Indonesia had full backing of Ford and Kissenger. All the weapons were supplied by the US. Carter - backed a series of surrogate wars in Angola, Mozambique, Central American, the Caribbean and was there in Afghanistan also. Harrison - Old Tip new little of anything exept the military Most of the conflicts during this period were in the frontiers as battles raged against the Indians. Harrison was a leader in these 'battles'. OK, my post was done in a confusing manner. The mention of William Henry Harrison was an answer to yours -- who was the last US President not to be involved in military conflict (sorry, I have forgotten your exact wording) and since he had almost no Presidency I suggested him. Then I returned to W.Robb's remark about recent presidents hell-bent on starting wars and suggested that Ford and Carter (who are recent Presidents IMO, for one thing they're still alive!) didn't seem to be hell-bent on starting wars. I did not intend to suggest that there was no overseas military involvement during their administrations (obviously there were.) Now, are you simply pointing out involvement or do you actually mean to suggest that Ford started the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, and that Carter started those other surrogate wars? And by the way, I remember that there were conflicts in Afghanistan, Angola, Mozambique and Central America in that time frame, but for the life of me I can't remember any sort of wars in the Caribbean during the Carter administration. ERNR
Re: PESO - Politics
LOL A fully developed left right with a stunted centre. Nice Shot. Dave On 8/21/05, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax *istD, K 200/2.5, Handheld ISO 200, 1/750 sec @ f/4 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_2171.htm Comments welcome -- Best regards, Bruce
