Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread David Mann

These are the major points of my current workflow...

I scan to preserve the highlights, although I don't worry too much  
about small, bright reflections.  I do this by using the exposure  
controls in the scanner software - I've found that all the other  
adjustments are best left to Photoshop.  Using the preview, I adjust  
each channel's exposure separately to give a reasonably neutral white- 
point, with that point as close as I can get to 255 (I'll often use  
250 because the preview is quite low in resolution).  The image will  
usually look a bit dark at this stage.


Crop any borders off the scan before you start processing, as they'll  
affect the histogram.


In Photoshop, I place the black and white points at standard values  
(about 5-10 for black, I'm flexible for white).  I also make the  
black and white points neutral.  I do this with a Curves layer, using  
the histogram as a reference.  I have the histogram in the all  
channels view, at the larger size.  As you move the mouse over the  
relevant histogram, you can see the current value at that position:  
keep adjusting until the lowest/highest values for each channel are  
in the desired locations (make sure preview is checked in the  
Curves dialog, so the histograms will update as you make adjustments).


That almost completely solved my colour correction difficulties.  My  
scanner setup gives a reddish cast in shadow areas, and I also  
remember sometimes getting slight green casts in the highlights.


Sometimes this won't quite work, and I need to modify the adjustments  
by eye, often by sampling areas from the image (usually for the  
highlights), but film grain can cause problems with the sampling,  
even with it set to 5x5 averaging.  I usually only have to adjust the  
blue channel this way, especially if I'd used E100SW.  This will also  
be affected by atmospheric conditions (smoke, haze, whatever) on the  
day I shot, so white doesn't always look white.


I re-open the Curves dialog and add whatever adjustments are  
necessary to make the picture look nice - usually a simple  
brightening will do it, but I often need to add a little contrast in  
certain areas as well.  I usually end up squashing the highlights a  
bit, which also helps to reduce colour casts in grey skies by  
reducing the contrast.  Unfortunately it has the side-effect of  
reducing the highlight detail, so I sometimes need to be careful.


The best way to make this process as frustrating as possible is to  
place the slide on a small light box near your computer.  You will go  
mad trying to reproduce the contrast, saturation and shadow detail  
visible in the slide.  But it does make a good reference for your  
adjustments.


Sometimes I'll also need to depart a bit from the slide itself - one  
in particular had a bit of a colour cast due to atmospheric  
conditions, which looked OK on the slide but was pretty horrible on  
the screen.


Please note that most of my slides have well-defined neutral  
highlights and shadows.  I occasionally scan slides that don't... in  
some cases that can be frustrating but for other pics a small colour  
offset doesn't seem to matter.


The time it takes me to do all this varies a bit from slide to  
slide.  I'm generally able to process a dozen 35mm slides in a couple  
of hours [not including scanning], largely because dICE does most of  
the hard word for me :)  For medium format, I'm using a glass holder  
and dICE doesn't seem to work very well at the top  bottom edges, so  
dust-spotting takes a while.  Combined with the extra filesize, I'll  
do maybe 4 in the same length of time.  The workflow speed is quite  
important for me, as I have something like 1,000 slides to scan  
before I start on the negs.  When I started this scanning project I  
was only able to scan  process four 35mm slides in a day (scan in  
the afternoon, process in the evening).


- Dave

On May 6, 2006, at 2:51 AM, Markus Maurer wrote:


Hi David
what exactly is different now in your scanning technique?
Since I have to scan a lot .  I love to learn ;-)
greetings
Markus


AFAIK the newest films were formulated to scan better than the older
ones.  I'm going through my archives at the moment and I'm currently
doing a mix of E100SW, Velvia and Provia 100F films that were shot
about 5 years ago.  At the start I was having all sorts of problems,
particularly in the highlights.  Now that I've improved my  
technique,

I'm finding that they all scan pretty well (I'm still glad that I
didn't shoot much Velvia).

- Dave







Re: A Zoom for the istDS

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My answer to this might be the DA50-135/2.8 when it is released. The  
FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL is another option. The Tamron 28-75/2.8 is another  
reputedly good lens in this general range.


Godfrey

On May 5, 2006, at 7:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

What might be a good compliment to the FA 20~35 zoom for the  
istDS?  I'm
compiling a wish list, and would like a relatively fast, high- 
quality zoom
that extends the range of the 20~35 to about 100mm or so.  I'd  
prefer an FA
rather than a DA, and am not looking for kit lenses or low quality  
consumer

glass - something comparable to the 20~35 or better, preferably fixed
aperture.

Suggestions welcome - oh, not Sigma ... Thanks!


Shel







Re: Another one bites the dust.

2006-05-06 Thread Patrick Genovese

Hi Bill,

Sorry to hear about your situation.  I wish you all the best of luck
in finding something better.  Glad to see that your're not too
worried.

Rgds

Patrick

On 5/2/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As most of you know, the life of a photofinisher has changed dramatically
over the past couple of years.
The business has been taken over by large chain stores who treat the
industry as just another department, and now is dealing with the fallout of
poorly trained big box store sales staff, and the failings of the computer
industry.

For the past few years, it has been like watching an old friend die.

Consequently, I will be unemployed as of the 12th of May.
And not at all unhappy or concerned about the future.


William Robb






--
Regards

Patrick Genovese



Re: Super WA/Fisheye recommendations

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

My favorite of the lenses you list is the DA14/2.8.
I have that and the Zenitar 16 ... both are excellent.

If a 20mm is wide enough for you, the FA20-35 is my favorite, most  
used lens.


The only other lens in this group that I'd be interested in is the  
DA12-24.


Godfrey

On May 5, 2006, at 9:34 PM, Michael Hamilton wrote:

I've been looking to replace my DA 18-55 lately, especially since I  
can get some amazing prices due to the high Canadian dollar right  
now (or is it low US dollar? ;) )


I tend to prefer primes if I can, but i certainly won't limit my  
self to that.  I'm really looking to step up optically, but I also  
would like a little wider if i can get it.


Can anyone comment on these lenses for optical and build quality?   
Experience?  I've found a few reviews, but they're not always helpful.


Front runners include:

Pentax 16-45mm ED AL - $409
Sigma 20mm 1.8 EX - $409 (can be used on Film also - big plus!)
Pentax 14mm ED IF - $599  (a bit more than I'd like to spend!)
Pentax 12-24mm ED AL - $599 (again, $$$)
Sigma 10-20mm - $479

I've also considered a fisheye.  If I use a Full-frame fisheye on  
my DS, would the crop treat it more like a regular wide-angle?  ie,  
less distortion outside of the center axis?


Zenitar fisheye (does this work for 35mm also?) - I'd prefer an A  
lens over M, however... but it's cheap.

Pentax SCMP-DA 10-17mm - $399
Sigma 15mm 2.8 - $499

(my regular kit also includes the Pentax-A 28/2.8, Pentax-A 50/1.7,  
and a Sigma 70-300 APO)


Any help is appreciated!

Michael Hamilton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.michaelhamilton.ca






Windows

2006-05-06 Thread Bob W
Hi,

I've just had a few rolls of film developed and scanned that had been lying
around for a couple of years. I was slightly surprised to notice a theme of
windows, doors, entrances  exits, so I've put together a little gallery
from the minilab scans. 

Nothing earth-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them:

http://www.web-options.com/Windows/

I took the picture of the 2 women arguing outside a café on the day
Cartier-Bresson died. I remember thinking while I was taking it that it was
vaguely HCB-ish. When I returned to where we were staying I heard on the
news that he had died. The scene also brought to mind one of Dr. Johnson's
bad jokes, about the two neighbours arguing on the doorsteps of their
houses. Those women will never agree, he said for they are arguing from
different premises.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 






Re: Super WA/Fisheye recommendations

2006-05-06 Thread Peter Fairweather

Hi Michael

I have used the following on a DS1 and a Z1p

Sigma 12-24mm   No quality problems on my sample and superb on film
where it is wider than an ordinary fisheye. On digital it is very
useful for using indoors in photographing groups at parties, functions
etc.

Pentax 17-28mm fisheye zoom. Bought it cheap and delighted with the
results on film and on digital. Very tempted to buy the new 10-17mm to
get the same effect on digital

Peleng 8mm Stunning depth of field when stopped down. My wife recently
asked me to photograph some flowers in a vase. I put the vase on the
patio and stopped  the lense down to f16. It was about an inch above
the highest flower. Not only were the flowers all incredibly sharp so
was the grass on the lawn six feet away. The full circular mode on
film is also good fun, peovided you can keep the tripod, or your hands
and in my case stomach out of the picture!

Come on Pentax, what about a 9mm rectilinear prime

Have fun

Peter



Re: A Zoom for the istDS

2006-05-06 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Fri, 5 May 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


On May 5, 2006, at 7:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


What might be a good compliment to the FA 20~35 zoom for the istDS?  I'm
compiling a wish list, and would like a relatively fast, high-quality zoom
that extends the range of the 20~35 to about 100mm or so.  I'd prefer an FA
rather than a DA, and am not looking for kit lenses or low quality consumer
glass - something comparable to the 20~35 or better, preferably fixed
aperture.

Suggestions welcome - oh, not Sigma ... Thanks!


My answer to this might be the DA50-135/2.8 when it is released. The 
FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL is another option. The Tamron 28-75/2.8 is another 
reputedly good lens in this general range.


Interesting that you are not suggesting the 28-105/3.2-4.5 AL; I 
thought you had a high opinion of it.


Kostas



Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds


On May 5, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The author of the test didn't say that. In fact, he scanned the 6x6 at 
a fairly high resolution.


He said he sized both files to make a 240 dpi 20x30.  240 dpi at 20x30 
from 6x6 is not all that high -- that scanner is capable of much more.  
Therefore, the scan was sized down.


-Aaron



Re: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Fri, 5 May 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote:

We'll deal with that later:-). Still hoping her momma will find a new daddy. 
Say, do you have any sons? We might be talking dowry here:-)).


Let me get this right, Granpa Stenquist: you are looking for someone's 
son to become your daughter's daddy. How old would that someone be?


:-P

Kostas
p.s.: I had not realised that your daughter returned to the States 
because of a divorce. Sorry.




Re: Re: get Nikon's new 10.2 megapixel D200 digital SLR camera at BH

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/05/06 Sat AM 12:33:52 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: get Nikon's new 10.2 megapixel D200 digital SLR camera at BH
 
 In a message dated 5/5/2006 5:07:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I bought a D200 last month and i only paid .97
 
 Dave   
 
 Too many xxx's for me.
 
 Marnie aka Doe   LOL.

Come to the UK.  Jessops are giving away DL2 two-lens kits.  Well, until next 
year, that is. 


-
Email sent from www.ntlworld.com
Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software 
Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information



Re: Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/05/06 Sat AM 05:44:06 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout
 
 Hi!
 
  It's still a shocking scan as is the post processing of the direct digital 
  capture, it's difficult to derive any useful information from the test.
  
  Two other tests for your amusement:
  
  Nikon D2X versus Mamiya 7
  http://www.diax.nl/pages/start_mamiya_nikon_uk.html
  
  Canon 1Ds mark II (16mp) and Betterlight scanning back
  http://www.betterlight.com/rest_of_the_picture.asp
 
 Fascinating articles... What also occurs to me is this. Consider Mamiya 
 7 article. The guy there definitely *knows well* how to work with Mamiya 
 7. The adoption of digital camera does not happen overnight, it takes 
 time, lots of time. Usually, which seems to be a part of human nature 
 (especially male) there is a tendency to neglect the other toy... So, 
 I should say, in order to make a better (I dare not say proper), there 
 has to be at least two testers - one who is proficient with film camera 
 and another who is good with digital.
 


But Boris, the adverts imply that any eedjit (extreme form of idiot) can be as 
good a photographer as David Bailey as long as they use digital.  You're not 
implying that they are spreading untruth, are you?


-
Email sent from www.ntlworld.com
Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software 
Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information



Re: Windows

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Nothing earth-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them:
 
 http://www.web-options.com/Windows/
 

Interesting theme.  Subtle self-portrait in there.

m


-
Email sent from www.ntlworld.com
Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software 
Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information



Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!


Fascinating articles... What also occurs to me is this. Consider
Mamiya 7 article. The guy there definitely *knows well* how to work
with Mamiya 7. The adoption of digital camera does not happen
overnight, it takes time, lots of time. Usually, which seems to be
a part of human nature (especially male) there is a tendency to
neglect the other toy... So, I should say, in order to make a
better (I dare not say proper), there has to be at least two
testers - one who is proficient with film camera and another who is
good with digital.




But Boris, the adverts imply that any eedjit (extreme form of idiot)
can be as good a photographer as David Bailey as long as they use
digital.  You're not implying that they are spreading untruth, are
you?


Nope, I did not intend to imply that they were spreading untruth. All I 
said is that while looking at the comparison one should first try to 
figure out where the comparison publisher is more proficient. Then, it 
would be more, hmmm, how to put it, transparent or easy to understand 
the results of the comparison.


Boris



Re: Carrying stuff in the forest

2006-05-06 Thread John Forbes
On Fri, 05 May 2006 17:25:10 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:




Bill,

Making the dogs carry stuff?  Not a bad idea.
And if speed is needed, how about ( hanging out front) a cat on a stick.

Colllin
KC8TKA


Good one.

John


--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/



RE: Windows

2006-05-06 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bob W wrote:

 http://www.web-options.com/Windows/

A very interesting set.

Malcolm




Re: A Zoom for the istDS

2006-05-06 Thread Vid Strpic
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 07:08:44PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

[...]

 Suggestions welcome - oh, not Sigma ... Thanks!

Seems I'm not the only Sigma-hater here, huh? :)))

-- 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], IRC:[EMAIL PROTECTED], /bin/zsh. C|NK
Linux moria 2.6.16 #2 Thu Mar 30 19:55:41 CEST 2006 i686
 11:20:31 up 11 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.12, 0.16, 0.09



Re: PESO - Gannet

2006-05-06 Thread John Forbes

On Fri, 05 May 2006 17:19:44 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 5/5/06, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:



Another one from our foray in feathers, this time starring the ancient
SMCP-500/4.5 and Tim's 1.7 AF converter.


http://www.oksne.net/paw/runde/gannet.html



Beautiful!



Lovely pic, and great technique in the Stenquist mould.  1/500 is very  
slow with an effective focal length (35mm) of 1:1275.


John



--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/



OT:Tamron Soft focus problem

2006-05-06 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Derby and anybody else interested :-)

I got the film back from the lab today and sadly every shot (around 20) I
took with the soft focus ring engaged on the SP Tamron 2.8 70-150mm portrait
soft focus lens just produced a blank negative.

The other shots without the soft focus are really good.

The zoom seems to be defective regarding the soft focus feature.
Any ideas what went wrong?
I will soon get a second sample of this lens from an auction to test that
feature again.

greetings
Markus



RE: PESO - Monterey Bay

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
Pleasant, yes. But it does not really turn me on. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2. mai 2006 04:31
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - Monterey Bay
 
 I'm debating putting up a Monterey gallery. But although I think most of
 my
 shots are okay, (17-mile drive and other stuff) most of it is just
 touristy and
 so maybe a gallery isn't worth it. Still debating. So I thought I might
 dribble out another PESO or two instead.
 
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/bay.htm
 
 I think this is pleasant. I like the time of day and the soft colors.
 Although the big vertical stripe sort of annoys me, so I may tone it down
 if I ever
 print it.
 
 Anyway, I think this is just pleasant, not really anything more.
 
 And it looks a tinge muddier here than it did when I was editing the RAW.
 But
 only a tinge.
 
 Comments welcome and all that jazz.
 
 Marnie aka Doe
 





Re: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

Markus Maurer wrote:


Hi Derby and anybody else interested :-)

I got the film back from the lab today and sadly every shot (around 20) I
took with the soft focus ring engaged on the SP Tamron 2.8 70-150mm portrait
soft focus lens just produced a blank negative.


What do you mean by blank?  Neg or slide?



The other shots without the soft focus are really good.

The zoom seems to be defective regarding the soft focus feature.
Any ideas what went wrong?
I will soon get a second sample of this lens from an auction to test that
feature again.

greetings
Markus







RE: PESO! - Comments / Critique are welcome.

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
As others have stated, it does look slightly blurred. 
But that's just a minor thing. I find it a very strong image. You have done
wonders with the contrasts and colours. It's lovely. It would look very good
at my living room wall.

If I ever find the time, I want to experiment with similar stuff, but I'm
not sure if I've got the eye for it. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Patrick Genovese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2. mai 2006 16:13
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO! - Comments / Critique are welcome.
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4406828
 
 Regards
 
 Patrick
 






RE: PESO - Cutting the Silence

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
Boris. I think Shel is pulling your leg. 

Very nice photography, BTW.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2. mai 2006 21:15
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO - Cutting the Silence
 
 Hi Boris - i like the simplicity of the photo.  One small problem, I can't
 see the feet of the people in the boat.
 
 Never saw the original post on the list.
 
 Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: jtainter
 
  http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1409549ref=sectionrefid=16
 
 






RE: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem

2006-05-06 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Mike
Fuji Superia ISO 100 color negative film was used and there is simply
nothing exposed on the negative = blank, empty when I used soft focus at
F2.8 or F4.
The beginning and rest of the roll is fine since I did not use the soft
focus ring there.
Something must be wrong with that lens.
greetings
Markus



-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 12:41 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem


Markus Maurer wrote:

 Hi Derby and anybody else interested :-)

 I got the film back from the lab today and sadly every shot
(around 20) I
 took with the soft focus ring engaged on the SP Tamron 2.8
70-150mm portrait
 soft focus lens just produced a blank negative.

What do you mean by blank?  Neg or slide?


 The other shots without the soft focus are really good.

 The zoom seems to be defective regarding the soft focus feature.
 Any ideas what went wrong?
 I will soon get a second sample of this lens from an auction to
test that
 feature again.

 greetings
 Markus







RE: PESO - Monterey Bay

2006-05-06 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Marnie
I like it somehow but it looks like you used a denoiser program at no good
use for the sky and parts of the boats.
greetings
Markus


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2. mai 2006 04:31
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - Monterey Bay

 I'm debating putting up a Monterey gallery. But although I think most of
 my
 shots are okay, (17-mile drive and other stuff) most of it is just
 touristy and
 so maybe a gallery isn't worth it. Still debating. So I thought I might
 dribble out another PESO or two instead.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/bay.htm

 I think this is pleasant. I like the time of day and the soft colors.
 Although the big vertical stripe sort of annoys me, so I may
tone it down
 if I ever
 print it.

 Anyway, I think this is just pleasant, not really anything more.

 And it looks a tinge muddier here than it did when I was
editing the RAW.
 But
 only a tinge.

 Comments welcome and all that jazz.

 Marnie aka Doe







Re: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

Markus Maurer wrote:


Hi Mike
Fuji Superia ISO 100 color negative film was used and there is simply
nothing exposed on the negative = blank, empty when I used soft focus at
F2.8 or F4.
The beginning and rest of the roll is fine since I did not use the soft
focus ring there.
Something must be wrong with that lens.
greetings
Markus


You could check for operation of the diaphragm by shooting with it 
pointing towards you.  You can see it close down to the taking aperture 
as you fire the shutter.








-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 12:41 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem


Markus Maurer wrote:



Hi Derby and anybody else interested :-)

I got the film back from the lab today and sadly every shot


(around 20) I


took with the soft focus ring engaged on the SP Tamron 2.8


70-150mm portrait


soft focus lens just produced a blank negative.


What do you mean by blank?  Neg or slide?



The other shots without the soft focus are really good.

The zoom seems to be defective regarding the soft focus feature.
Any ideas what went wrong?
I will soon get a second sample of this lens from an auction to


test that


feature again.

greetings
Markus













Re: OT: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread brooksdj
 My youngest daughter graduated from 
college today. HOO ROO!! Four kids 
 and half a million dollars later, I'm a free man. Twelve years of 
 paying college tuition every semester is no but a memory. No more 
 college home equity loans. No more fall move ins and spring move outs. 
 No more critiquing essays. No more. I'm done.
 Paul
 
Nice to hear Paul. 

Look at all that camera money now freed up.:-)

Dave





Re: Super WA/Fisheye recommendations

2006-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
I spent thirty years shooting with nothing but primes. For the past 
couple of years I've been using the new Pentax wide zooms. I find them 
to be outstanding, and generally the equal of primes in everything save 
speed. So when low light isn't a problem, they are a great solution. I 
referenced a couple of pis. You can find more going through the 
photo.net page on which these appear. Here's a DA 16-45 pic:


http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3672858size=lg

This was shot for a magazine article with the DA 12-24. Perspective 
correction in Photoshop. This is at 12mm, and the lens gave me the 
corner sharpness I needed to pull this off:


http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3924131size=lg
On May 6, 2006, at 12:34 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote:

I've been looking to replace my DA 18-55 lately, especially since I 
can get some amazing prices due to the high Canadian dollar right now 
(or is it low US dollar? ;) )


I tend to prefer primes if I can, but i certainly won't limit my self 
to that.  I'm really looking to step up optically, but I also would 
like a little wider if i can get it.


Can anyone comment on these lenses for optical and build quality?  
Experience?  I've found a few reviews, but they're not always helpful.


Front runners include:

Pentax 16-45mm ED AL - $409
Sigma 20mm 1.8 EX - $409 (can be used on Film also - big plus!)
Pentax 14mm ED IF - $599  (a bit more than I'd like to spend!)
Pentax 12-24mm ED AL - $599 (again, $$$)
Sigma 10-20mm - $479

I've also considered a fisheye.  If I use a Full-frame fisheye on my 
DS, would the crop treat it more like a regular wide-angle?  ie, less 
distortion outside of the center axis?


Zenitar fisheye (does this work for 35mm also?) - I'd prefer an A lens 
over M, however... but it's cheap.

Pentax SCMP-DA 10-17mm - $399
Sigma 15mm 2.8 - $499

(my regular kit also includes the Pentax-A 28/2.8, Pentax-A 50/1.7, 
and a Sigma 70-300 APO)


Any help is appreciated!

Michael Hamilton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.michaelhamilton.ca






Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's true. It was sized down for printing. He should have printed it 
at 300 or 360. But the web images would have been resized anyway, and 
that's all we're seeing here. I'm sure he did something wrong, but I'm 
betting it was lousy scans. The difference is too big for any other 
explanation. But I do think it demonstrates that 12 megapixel digital 
from a full frame sensor is capable of quality that can compete with 
medium format. Many pros have staked their careers on that and have 
proven it to be the case. Clint Clemens is a good example. (I mentioned 
this in a previous message, but it never showed up.) He's a 30K/day 
commercial shooter with fine-art credentials. He works exclusively with 
the Canon full frame dslr in the studio and on location, and is booked 
solid.

Paul
On May 6, 2006, at 3:16 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:



On May 5, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The author of the test didn't say that. In fact, he scanned the 6x6 
at a fairly high resolution.


He said he sized both files to make a 240 dpi 20x30.  240 dpi at 20x30 
from 6x6 is not all that high -- that scanner is capable of much more. 
 Therefore, the scan was sized down.


-Aaron





Re: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist

I'd go for anyone under sixty, but I think my daughter is fussier:-).
She is back in America, living at our home and working nights as a 
waitress. The ex is still in Scotland and probably hasn't looked up 
from his beer often enough to notice his wife and daughter are gone. No 
need to be sorry. It's cause for celebration. Her husband literally 
kept her locked up most of the time, so she had to plot an escape. 
Thankfully, she  was able to pull it off. She had to leave with just a 
suitcase and the clothes on her back, but it's better to be free and 
poor than to be a captive in the home of a drunken lunatic.

Paul
On May 6, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:


On Fri, 5 May 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote:

We'll deal with that later:-). Still hoping her momma will find a new 
daddy. Say, do you have any sons? We might be talking dowry here:-)).


Let me get this right, Granpa Stenquist: you are looking for someone's 
son to become your daughter's daddy. How old would that someone be?


:-P

Kostas
p.s.: I had not realised that your daughter returned to the States 
because of a divorce. Sorry.






Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
Film advertising claimed the same thing. In the US we were treated to 
Canon ads that showed someone in the stands of a football game shooting 
tremendous, tight action shots with a cheap consumer zoom.


On May 6, 2006, at 4:29 AM, mike wilson wrote:






But Boris, the adverts imply that any eedjit (extreme form of idiot) 
can be as good a photographer as David Bailey as long as they use 
digital.  You're not implying that they are spreading untruth, are 
you?



-
Email sent from www.ntlworld.com
Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software
Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information





RE: PESO: Patience is a Virtue

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
A well told sweet daily life story. 
To state the obvious: There is a strong line between the dog and the door.
This makes it obvious for us that the dog's attention is at the door. That's
what tells the story. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 3. mai 2006 02:16
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO: Patience is a Virtue
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4409012size=lg
 
 Note the absence of any kind of restraint. This guy waited ten minutes
 for his lady.
 
 DA 50-200, 50mm, f8 @ 1/125th
 Paul
 






RE: PESO - Eternal Sea

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
The tree on top of the hill makes this shot for me. I'd like to see it a bit
larger.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 3. mai 2006 05:02
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - Eternal Sea
 
 My Monterey Bay peso I threw up the other day drew no comment. I admit it
 was
 rather ho-hum, pleasant but not much more. Maybe this will draw at least
 one
 comment. :-)
 
 I shot quite a few shots of this, but most had too much glare. I think
 this
 is the best. I have used Highlight/Shadows in PS to lighten the shadows a
 tad.
 Maybe too much?
 
 It is actually a color shot, not BW.
 
 This is looking up the coast line from near the Lone Cyprus.
 
 Eternal Sea...
 
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sea.htm
 
 Comments welcome.
 
 Marnie aka Doe   I think this about concludes my shots until I throw up a
 jellyfish gallery.
 





Re: OT: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread Steve Jolly

Paul Stenquist wrote:
My youngest daughter graduated from college today. HOO ROO!! Four kids 
and half a million dollars later, I'm a free man. Twelve years of paying 
college tuition every semester is no but a memory. No more college home 
equity loans. No more fall move ins and spring move outs. No more 
critiquing essays. No more. I'm done.


Yikes.  I'm glad I live in a country where higher education is still 
(mostly) state-funded...


S



RE: PESO - My First PESO

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
I think most that needs to be said is said. 
After Godfrey has over(?)done his magic, it pops ;-)
A nice portrait.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 3. mai 2006 06:20
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - My First PESO
 
 This is partly an experiment in BW post-processing, part trying to
 rescue a low-light shot.
 
 Orig:
 http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/joc.jpg
 
 BW:
 http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/jocbw.jpg
 
 Technical:
 *ist DS, A-50mm/1.7, 1/25s, f/2.0, ISO 400.
 
 I de-saturated, then adjusted the lightness of the spectrum.  Added
 some noise.
 
 Tips?  Honesty?  Brutality?
 
 Thanks.
 Michael Hamilton
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.michaelhamilton.ca
 
 





RE: PESO - Fields of (Red) Gold

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
I can see that you are in love ;-)
Lovely colours, lovely sky.
But I have one nit. The house leans to the right, so I assume your horizon
is not correct. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 3. mai 2006 13:15
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - Fields of (Red) Gold
 
 Hi!
 
 Spring is largely over in Israel. But some last nice days still remain.
 
 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=13405
 
 Expect more PESOs as I am deeply in love with my 31 Limited.
 
 Boris
 





RE: Skua (lens competition)

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
Don't know why. Just my gut feeling. 
Anyway, I haven't time to try now. So most likely I'll forget the idea ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 3. mai 2006 16:45
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Skua (lens competition)
 
 Well done Tim.
 It's uncanny how the background hue matches the bird's.
 
 I think it could look nice in bw too.
 
 Why?
 
 Kenneth Waller
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Subject: PESO: Skua (lens competition)
 
 
  Here is another Skua, shot at the same trip. In fact, I wonder if it is
  the
  same bird.
  This one is a more strait forward composition, read less exiting. But
  because of how the colours match, I like it a lot. I think it could look
  nice in bw too.
  It also shows better what the crappy(?) old manual focus Tokina lens can
  do
  under near perfect conditions.
 
  http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=234225
  *istDS, tripod, Tokina AT-X 150-500/5,6 @ 500mm, f:11, 1/350s, 400 ISO
  raw.
 
  Whatdoyoahthink?
 
 
  Tim
  Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
  Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
  (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
 
 
 
 






RE: OT - PESO - Blackbird and Insect

2006-05-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
Good catch (your and the birds)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 3. mai 2006 18:34
 To: pentax list
 Subject: OT - PESO - Blackbird and Insect
 
 I try not to post non-Pentax pics here, but I thought some of the
 twitchers here might like to see this. A nest of Blackbird chicks
 resides just inside the roof of our house and the mother flutters to and
 fro bringing food and taking out the garbage (old feathers). I found a
 very close vantage point trough my son's window. Here she is filling the
 frame, just about to dart up under the wooden eaves...
 
 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/nature/images/pic32.html
 
 1DmarkII, 70-200 2.8 L IS, ISO 800, 1/1000th at f 5.6
 
 
 
 
 Cheers,
   Cotty
 
 
 ___/\__
 ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
 ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
 _
 
 





RE: PESO - Monterey Bay

2006-05-06 Thread Jack Davis
Marnie, (missed the original post?)
I think you've described this perfectly. Totally agree with your
pleasant description.
Soft tones and quiet theme do it for me.

Jack

--- Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pleasant, yes. But it does not really turn me on. 
 
 
 Tim
 Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
  
 Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
 (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 2. mai 2006 04:31
  To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
  Subject: PESO - Monterey Bay
  
  I'm debating putting up a Monterey gallery. But although I think
 most of
  my
  shots are okay, (17-mile drive and other stuff) most of it is just
  touristy and
  so maybe a gallery isn't worth it. Still debating. So I thought I
 might
  dribble out another PESO or two instead.
  
  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/bay.htm
  
  I think this is pleasant. I like the time of day and the soft
 colors.
  Although the big vertical stripe sort of annoys me, so I may tone
 it down
  if I ever
  print it.
  
  Anyway, I think this is just pleasant, not really anything more.
  
  And it looks a tinge muddier here than it did when I was editing
 the RAW.
  But
  only a tinge.
  
  Comments welcome and all that jazz.
  
  Marnie aka Doe
  
 
 
 
 


__
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 



Re: Re; A Zoom for the istDS

2006-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Good luck to you, Michael ...

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Michael Hamilton 

 I've got a FA 28-90 3.5-4.6 that I'm looking to get rid of...

 Never mind the cheap plastic mount or the loose focus ring...  ;)




Re: Semi OT... DVD rewriter

2006-05-06 Thread Bob Sullivan

Alex,
Been using Plexors at work since 1x CD writers.
Nothing but flawless operations, but pricy.
When I bought mine at home, I went cheaper and saw the problems.
(not insurmontable, but annoying)
All this stuff is so cheap now, how can you go wrong!
Regards,  Bob S.

On 5/5/06, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 5/5/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 My ancient (one of the first x2 rewriters in the country!!!) CDRW drive seems 
to be expiring.  Just in time for me to fill my HDD with PEF files.

 I'm looking at a Philips PBDV1660G/00 DVD+-RW.

 Anyone got any nasty experiences, humerous stories, prices cheaper than 
£29.36?

 Other recommendations?

 mike


You should take a look at www.cdfreaks.com
The review is here: http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/267 Overall, it
seems a good drive.
Hmm... a week ago, I was in a computer store, wanting to buy a LG
4167B. Instead, I choosed a Plextor - big mistake. That Plextor - the
PX750A - is actually a very expensive Teac.

--
Best regards,
Alex Sarbu






PAD - renewed :)

2006-05-06 Thread alkos
Thanx to your suggestions, I encouraged myself to change construction of 
my website.


How do you like it now, lads? :)

cheers

alkos
--
go out, burn some film!
24x36 at op pl
http://pad.go.pl



Re: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist

Subject: Re: I'm Done Too!



I'd go for anyone under sixty, but I think my daughter is fussier:-).
She is back in America, living at our home and working nights as a 
waitress. The ex is still in Scotland and probably hasn't looked up from 
his beer often enough to notice his wife and daughter are gone. No need to 
be sorry. It's cause for celebration. Her husband literally kept her 
locked up most of the time, so she had to plot an escape. Thankfully, she 
was able to pull it off. She had to leave with just a suitcase and the 
clothes on her back, but it's better to be free and poor than to be a 
captive in the home of a drunken lunatic.


Damned Scots, still figuring the best way to get a wife is to raid the 
Sasanak.


William Robb 





RE: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem

2006-05-06 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Mike
thanks, I will try that.
greetings
Markus

-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:23 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem


Markus Maurer wrote:

 Hi Mike
 Fuji Superia ISO 100 color negative film was used and there is simply
 nothing exposed on the negative = blank, empty when I used soft focus at
 F2.8 or F4.
 The beginning and rest of the roll is fine since I did not use the soft
 focus ring there.
 Something must be wrong with that lens.
 greetings
 Markus

You could check for operation of the diaphragm by shooting with it
pointing towards you.  You can see it close down to the taking aperture
as you fire the shutter.






Re: PESO - Monterey Bay

2006-05-06 Thread Eactivist
Actually, no. I have no denoiser program. But it was taken fairly low light 
and probably does have more noise than normal. It also probably needs more 
tweaking than I have given it so far. 

Thanks for looking.

Marnie aka Doe 
=

Hi Marnie
I like it somehow but it looks like you used a denoiser program at no good
use for the sky and parts of the boats.
greetings
Markus


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2. mai 2006 04:31
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - Monterey Bay

 I'm debating putting up a Monterey gallery. But although I think most of
 my
 shots are okay, (17-mile drive and other stuff) most of it is just
 touristy and
 so maybe a gallery isn't worth it. Still debating. So I thought I might
 dribble out another PESO or two instead.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/bay.htm




Re: A Zoom for the istDS

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Interesting that you are not suggesting the 28-105/3.2-4.5 AL; I 
thought you had a high opinion of it.

It's a good lens but I didn't think it met shel's req's.

G



Re: First enablement in quite a while.

2006-05-06 Thread Bob Sullivan

Don,
These are hard to find and your price was appropriate.
I'm still looking for one as I like the M100/2.8.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 5/2/06, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7612790892

I know I paid too much for it but I was out this morning and compared
the M100/2.8 to my Tamron SP 90 macro.
The bokeh on the 100 is SO much smoother.
This should be the same lens without the Green Button Zip sound
required, scared away two birds this morning. ;-(
Been buying only broken stuff lately, be nice to get one that works
out of the box.

Don






RE: PAD - renewed

2006-05-06 Thread Unca Mikey
I said it before and I'll say it again, this is some of the most 
consistently good photography I've seen.  Wonderful stuff, just the 
sort of photography I enjoy.


Now, alkos keeps changing the web design, so every so often I have to 
figure out how to view the images...  LOL.  But it's worth it!


*UncaMikey

--- alkos passed along:

http://pad.go.pl/



RE: Windows

2006-05-06 Thread Unca Mikey
I like these, little slices of life, well done.  My favorite is the 
one a-kilter of the elderly woman reading a paper on the stoop.


Extra points for the Samuel Johnson -- he has so many of those 
zingers that I can't remember them, so each time I hear one it sounds 
brand new.  Different premises larf larf larf.


*UncaMikey

- Bob W wrote:


 http://www.web-options.com/Windows/




OT: In support of Old Stuff.

2006-05-06 Thread Don Sanderson
This is my response to all of those
If it ain't new, it's crap kinda folk.
(PDMLers are _not_ that kind)   ;-)

A 37 year old Olympus 35SP took this
yesterday as I was testing it:

http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Oly_SP.htm

Bear in mind this is ISO 400 film and taken from
a highly compressed 1.5MP 'Picture CD' scan.
I can't wait to re-scan the negative as a 15MP
Tiff!  I have to hook the Minolta back up, too
busy playing camera repairman right now. ;-(

Don



Re: A Zoom for the istDS

2006-05-06 Thread David Oswald

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

On Fri, 5 May 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


On May 5, 2006, at 7:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


What might be a good compliment to the FA 20~35 zoom for the istDS?  I'm
compiling a wish list, and would like a relatively fast, high-quality 
zoom
that extends the range of the 20~35 to about 100mm or so.  I'd prefer 
an FA
rather than a DA, and am not looking for kit lenses or low quality 
consumer

glass - something comparable to the 20~35 or better, preferably fixed
aperture.

Suggestions welcome - oh, not Sigma ... Thanks!


My answer to this might be the DA50-135/2.8 when it is released. The 
FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL is another option. The Tamron 28-75/2.8 is another 
reputedly good lens in this general range.


Interesting that you are not suggesting the 28-105/3.2-4.5 AL; I thought 
you had a high opinion of it.


Kostas


I'll recommend it for you. ;)  The SMC Pentax-FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5 AL is 
a compact, sharp, and relatively fast lens that provides an excellent 
range of focal length.  It sits in my bag right next to my 16-45 (but 
20-35 is great too), while my FA28 or FA50 sit on the camera. lol


Seriously though, I get a lot of use out of the combination of 16-45 and 
28-105.  I think the 28-105 makes a good companion to your 20-35, and 
you'll find you're using it much of the time.


Dave



Re: OT: In support of Old Stuff.

2006-05-06 Thread Vic Mortelmans

Don, I'm with you!

Vic

Don Sanderson wrote:

This is my response to all of those
If it ain't new, it's crap kinda folk.
(PDMLers are _not_ that kind)   ;-)

A 37 year old Olympus 35SP took this
yesterday as I was testing it:

http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Oly_SP.htm

Bear in mind this is ISO 400 film and taken from
a highly compressed 1.5MP 'Picture CD' scan.
I can't wait to re-scan the negative as a 15MP
Tiff!  I have to hook the Minolta back up, too
busy playing camera repairman right now. ;-(

Don







Re: OT: In support of Old Stuff.

2006-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist

Nice shot. It appears to show very good detail.
Paul
On May 6, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Don Sanderson wrote:


This is my response to all of those
If it ain't new, it's crap kinda folk.
(PDMLers are _not_ that kind)   ;-)

A 37 year old Olympus 35SP took this
yesterday as I was testing it:

http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Oly_SP.htm

Bear in mind this is ISO 400 film and taken from
a highly compressed 1.5MP 'Picture CD' scan.
I can't wait to re-scan the negative as a 15MP
Tiff!  I have to hook the Minolta back up, too
busy playing camera repairman right now. ;-(

Don





Re: PAD - renewed :)

2006-05-06 Thread David Savage

I like it. Much easier to browse.

Dave S.

On 5/6/06, alkos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanx to your suggestions, I encouraged myself to change construction of
my website.

How do you like it now, lads? :)

cheers

alkos
--
go out, burn some film!
24x36 at op pl
http://pad.go.pl






Re: Super WA/Fisheye recommendations

2006-05-06 Thread Joseph Tainter
I've been looking to replace my DA 18-55 lately, especially since I can 
get some amazing prices due to the high Canadian dollar right now (or is 
it low US dollar? ;) )


Michael, your list of candidates consists of apples and oranges. They 
are lenses for different purposes. First you must think through what you 
need the new lens for. Or might you buy more than one?


If you are looking to replace the kit 18-55, you cannot do better than 
the DA 16-45. It is a very fine performer, and my most used lens. 
Otherwise it would not be in my kit. The wide end is wide enough for 
most purposes.


But think through what you want to do, then come back to us with refined 
questions about specific lenses.


Joe



OT:? keep the Internet free

2006-05-06 Thread Powell Hargrave
I hope all US residents on the list have signed the petition to keep the
Internet free and open.  As a Canadian I can't sign but if the bill is passed
it will effect the activities of all Internet users.
The following is taken from a post by Keith Krebs on the Epson list.

Powell

=

If you want to read the original bill (HR 5252) it's at:
http://www.benton.org/benton_files/HR%205252%20COPE_0.pdfhttp://www.bent
on.org/benton_files/HR%205252%20COPE_0.pdf

It's basically an end run on net neutrality by telecom carriers looking 
for what is effectively a subsidy through ending net neutrality. The 
bottom line is that they want it to underwrite expansion of their 
capital infrastructure in the form of physical networks. That, at a 
time when even industry publications like Network World say there is a 
glut of capacity.   IMHO, that's the real agenda, these carriers built 
too much capacity, they have lots of it after a round of mergers, and 
now they want Congress to effectively tax all of us to pay for their 
poor business choices. Sadly, that tax will also limit free and open 
commentary on the net.  

Please sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you 
support preserving Internet freedom. Click here:

http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet?track_referer=706%7C571152-
Sx7iBQ7NlbcDp5pBcFv0oQhttp://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet?track_
referer=706%7C571152-Sx7iBQ7NlbcDp5pBcFv0oQ



Re: A Zoom for the istDS

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On May 6, 2006, at 8:32 AM, David Oswald wrote:

Interesting that you are not suggesting the 28-105/3.2-4.5 AL; I  
thought you had a high opinion of it.


I'll recommend it for you. ;)  The SMC Pentax-FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5  
AL is a compact, sharp, and relatively fast lens that provides an  
excellent range of focal length.  It sits in my bag right next to  
my 16-45 (but 20-35 is great too), while my FA28 or FA50 sit on the  
camera. lol


Seriously though, I get a lot of use out of the combination of  
16-45 and 28-105.  I think the 28-105 makes a good companion to  
your 20-35, and you'll find you're using it much of the time.


stream-of-consciousness train-of-thought:
I got a lot of use out of the 28-105/3.2-4.5 last year. But where I  
want the longer focal length I also often use near wide open  
settings. The FA135/2.8 does me better and is faster, but it's often  
a bit too long. Comparisons of the 28-105 against the 24-90 show that  
the latter does better at its longer settings, where I want to use  
this kind of lens more of the time, so I sold the 28-105 and was  
planning to buy the 24-90. But then the roadmap showed the  
DA50-135/2.8 coming up and I've decided to wait for that one ... I  
also keep thinking of an FA77 limited or the upcoming DA70 as well.


I'm no help, eh?

Godfrey



Re: OT: In support of Old Stuff.

2006-05-06 Thread Derby Chang
PDMLers are innoculated against expecting new things=good, old 
things=bad. We don't have that much choice about new things, since they 
so seldom occur. That's why we fiddle around with 40 year old m42 lenses 
and talk about lots of stuff other than new gear. I think this is a good 
thing.


D




Vic Mortelmans wrote:

Don, I'm with you!

Vic

Don Sanderson wrote:

This is my response to all of those
If it ain't new, it's crap kinda folk.
(PDMLers are _not_ that kind)   ;-)

A 37 year old Olympus 35SP took this
yesterday as I was testing it:

http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Oly_SP.htm

Bear in mind this is ISO 400 film and taken from
a highly compressed 1.5MP 'Picture CD' scan.
I can't wait to re-scan the negative as a 15MP
Tiff!  I have to hook the Minolta back up, too
busy playing camera repairman right now. ;-(

Don









--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc



Web Gallery and Copyright help

2006-05-06 Thread Dave Brooks
Hi all.

Well i have PSCS and possibly CS2 if i get it, for Mac. I have Fetch, a decent 
inexpensive FTP program, to upload my photos to my site, for Mac, and 
renamer4mac, so i can do my global renames quickly. 

Only thing is to sort out how my web pages will be created. I have just done 
some experimenting with PS in Web Gallery, and i have set it up, as far as i 
can tell, to accept my copyright on the image face.When i run my test photos, 
nothing appears, just the banner info,no copy right across the image.

I checked out the CS help but i;m doing what it says,again i think.:-)

Any help here. If i can get this to work, i can do all my photo work on the 
Mac. If not i';ll just have to work with BBPro on the PC for the web pages.

Dave


David J Brooks
Equine, Pets, Bands, Rural Landscape Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, PZ-1, Nikon D1 D2H



Re: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem

2006-05-06 Thread Derby Chang


Hi Markus,

I'm really sorry to hear that.

This is your lens, right?
http://jfcampbell.us/photo/tamron70-150sf.htm

The Pentax lenses are really simple, with no open aperture lever - it 
just stops down to whatever f-stop you select. The smaller the aperture, 
the darker your viewfinder (and of course less soft focus). It sounds 
like the Tamron uses a floating element (shifting the relay lens) to 
adjust the spherical aberration. Hard to think of a reason why that 
would affect exposure though. Keep us informed about the prognosis.


Haven't had a chance to use the 6x7 120mm yet, but I will soon.

D


Markus Maurer wrote:

Hi Mike
Fuji Superia ISO 100 color negative film was used and there is simply
nothing exposed on the negative = blank, empty when I used soft focus at
F2.8 or F4.
The beginning and rest of the roll is fine since I did not use the soft
focus ring there.
Something must be wrong with that lens.
greetings
Markus



  

-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 12:41 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT:Tamron Soft focus problem


Markus Maurer wrote:

  

Hi Derby and anybody else interested :-)

I got the film back from the lab today and sadly every shot


(around 20) I
  

took with the soft focus ring engaged on the SP Tamron 2.8


70-150mm portrait
  

soft focus lens just produced a blank negative.


What do you mean by blank?  Neg or slide?

  

The other shots without the soft focus are really good.

The zoom seems to be defective regarding the soft focus feature.
Any ideas what went wrong?
I will soon get a second sample of this lens from an auction to


test that
  

feature again.

greetings
Markus







  



--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc



Re: Web Gallery and Copyright help

2006-05-06 Thread David Savage

Just to check. Is this what the gallery creator look like where you
set up the copyright info?  (I'm using CS2  I can't remember if CS
was any different)

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/PSCRI.jpg

These are the copyright settings I used for the last gallery I put
together and it worked fine for me.

The gallery:

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_010/index.htm

Dave S.


On 5/7/06, Dave Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all.

Well i have PSCS and possibly CS2 if i get it, for Mac. I have Fetch, a decent 
inexpensive FTP program, to upload my photos to my site, for Mac, and 
renamer4mac, so i can do my global renames quickly.

Only thing is to sort out how my web pages will be created. I have just done 
some experimenting with PS in Web Gallery, and i have set it up, as far as i 
can tell, to accept my copyright on the image face.When i run my test photos, 
nothing appears, just the banner info,no copy right across the image.

I checked out the CS help but i;m doing what it says,again i think.:-)

Any help here. If i can get this to work, i can do all my photo work on the 
Mac. If not i';ll just have to work with BBPro on the PC for the web pages.

Dave


David J Brooks
Equine, Pets, Bands, Rural Landscape Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, PZ-1, Nikon D1 D2H






Re: OT: In support of Old Stuff.

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On May 6, 2006, at 8:33 AM, Don Sanderson wrote:


A 37 year old Olympus 35SP took this
yesterday as I was testing it:

http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Oly_SP.htm


Olympus always did make excellent quality lenses. Film has gotten  
better.


Godfrey



Re: Web Gallery and Copyright help

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The HTML creation tools cannot place a watermark into the image file,  
as far as I'm aware. You should create a script to add a watermark  
and save out that as an additional image set prior to building the HTML.


Godfrey

On May 6, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Dave Brooks wrote:


Hi all.

Well i have PSCS and possibly CS2 if i get it, for Mac. I have  
Fetch, a decent inexpensive FTP program, to upload my photos to my  
site, for Mac, and renamer4mac, so i can do my global renames quickly.


Only thing is to sort out how my web pages will be created. I have  
just done some experimenting with PS in Web Gallery, and i have set  
it up, as far as i can tell, to accept my copyright on the image  
face.When i run my test photos, nothing appears, just the banner  
info,no copy right across the image.


I checked out the CS help but i;m doing what it says,again i think.:-)

Any help here. If i can get this to work, i can do all my photo  
work on the Mac. If not i';ll just have to work with BBPro on the  
PC for the web pages.


Dave


David J Brooks
Equine, Pets, Bands, Rural Landscape Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, PZ-1, Nikon D1 D2H





RE: PAD - renewed :)

2006-05-06 Thread Bob W
I'm getting a 404.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: alkos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 06 May 2006 15:30
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PAD - renewed :)
 
 Thanx to your suggestions, I encouraged myself to change 
 construction of my website.
 
 How do you like it now, lads? :)
 
 cheers
 
 alkos
 --
 go out, burn some film!
 24x36 at op pl
 http://pad.go.pl
 
 
 
 




RE: PESO - bird through a mosquito net

2006-05-06 Thread Igor Roshchin
Fri, 05 May 2006 07:22:32 -0700
Markus Maurer wrote:

 Hi Igor
 the background rendering is much nicer here. Still not very good but okay
 for a non Pentax lens ;-)
 greetings
 Markus

Markus, you are right.
I didn't notice it myself...
Thank you for pointing it out.
Interesting effect that I didn't expect from just changing the
contrast profile.

Igor



RE: Windows

2006-05-06 Thread Bob W
too subtle for me, Mike. Where is it?

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 06 May 2006 09:46
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Windows
 
 
  
  From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Nothing earth-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them:
  
  http://www.web-options.com/Windows/
  
 
 Interesting theme.  Subtle self-portrait in there.
 
 m
 




Re: Skua (lens competition)

2006-05-06 Thread Vic Mortelmans
 By the way, this seems like an amazing proof of nature's efficiency to 
camouflage in the environment!! (of course nature didn't take PDML 
photographers into account...)


Groeten,

Vic

Vic Mortelmans wrote:

Hi,

why black-and-white?, seems obvious to me... there's basically only one 
color in the picture, so if you turn to grayscale, you won't loose alot.


Open it in an image editor and use the tool to pick colors; try to get 
the HSV-value of some pixels and you'll see that the H-values are very 
similar allover the picture.


I noticed because I've been experimenting with a conversion tool to make 
duotone images (i.e. images that can be printed using two inks, most 
likely black + a spot color). When I run this image through the tool, it 
has very little effect, since the source image is very close to a duotone.


Here's the comparison:
http://users.pandora.be/vicmortelmans/monochrome_bird/monochrome_bird.html
(I also added a version using a different spot color, closer to red)

Groeten,

VIc



If you like to read more about my experiments (and maybe give feedback), 
look here:
http://users.pandora.be/vicmortelmans/fts/adaptiveduotone/adaptiveduotone.html 





Tim Øsleby wrote:

Don't know why. Just my gut feeling. Anyway, I haven't time to try 
now. So most likely I'll forget the idea ;-)



Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very 
freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)




-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3. mai 2006 16:45
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Skua (lens competition)

Well done Tim.
It's uncanny how the background hue matches the bird's.



I think it could look nice in bw too.



Why?

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: PESO: Skua (lens competition)




Here is another Skua, shot at the same trip. In fact, I wonder if it is
the
same bird.
This one is a more strait forward composition, read less exiting. But
because of how the colours match, I like it a lot. I think it could 
look

nice in bw too.
It also shows better what the crappy(?) old manual focus Tokina lens 
can

do
under near perfect conditions.

http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=234225
*istDS, tripod, Tokina AT-X 150-500/5,6 @ 500mm, f:11, 1/350s, 400 ISO
raw.

Whatdoyoahthink?


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)




















Re: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread Kenneth Waller

Say, do you have any sons?


As a matter of fact I do. But since this isn't Utah it won't work - he's 
happily married with a 20 month old son and another on the way.


Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: I'm Done Too!


We'll deal with that later:-). Still hoping her momma will find a new 
daddy. Say, do you have any sons? We might be talking dowry here:-)).

Paul
On May 5, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:


No more critiquing essays. No more. I'm done.
Paul


Now about that grandchild..

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Subject: OT: I'm Done Too!


My youngest daughter graduated from college today. HOO ROO!! Four kids 
and half a million dollars later, I'm a free man. Twelve years of paying 
college tuition every semester is no but a memory. No more college home 
equity loans. No more fall move ins and spring move outs. No more 
critiquing essays. No more. I'm done.

Paul









Re: PAD - renewed :)

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Much nicer to browse!

G

On May 6, 2006, at 7:29 AM, alkos wrote:

Thanx to your suggestions, I encouraged myself to change  
construction of my website.


How do you like it now, lads? :)

cheers

alkos
--
go out, burn some film!
24x36 at op pl
http://pad.go.pl





Re: Web Gallery and Copyright help

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Interesting, David. I had no idea the gallery creator could do that!

thx
Godfrey

On May 6, 2006, at 10:11 AM, David Savage wrote:


Just to check. Is this what the gallery creator look like where you
set up the copyright info?  (I'm using CS2  I can't remember if CS
was any different)

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/PSCRI.jpg

These are the copyright settings I used for the last gallery I put
together and it worked fine for me.

The gallery:

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_010/index.htm

Dave S.


On 5/7/06, Dave Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all.

Well i have PSCS and possibly CS2 if i get it, for Mac. I have  
Fetch, a decent inexpensive FTP program, to upload my photos to my  
site, for Mac, and renamer4mac, so i can do my global renames  
quickly.


Only thing is to sort out how my web pages will be created. I have  
just done some experimenting with PS in Web Gallery, and i have  
set it up, as far as i can tell, to accept my copyright on the  
image face.When i run my test photos, nothing appears, just the  
banner info,no copy right across the image.


I checked out the CS help but i;m doing what it says,again i  
think.:-)


Any help here. If i can get this to work, i can do all my photo  
work on the Mac. If not i';ll just have to work with BBPro on the  
PC for the web pages.


Dave


David J Brooks
Equine, Pets, Bands, Rural Landscape Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, PZ-1, Nikon D1 D2H








Re: RESEND: Heads-up and question

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

I think John Francis uses a tool he created to do this for the D.
I don't know whether it is the same for files created with the DS.

Godfrey

On May 5, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Al well and good - how does one look there?  Heck, where is the tag  
even

found?

Shel




[Original Message]
From: John Francis



On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 05:50:06PM -0700, Brian Dipert wrote:
Folks, FYI KEH has cut their prices on used *istD bodies. Bodies- 
only

in EX
shape for $645 (formerly 725), full packages in EX for $665 and EX 
+ for
$695. I ordered a body-only (as backup for my existing *istD)  
which just
arrived and, although I haven't yet popped in batteries, it  
appears to

be in
like-new cosmetic shape. How does one determine how many to-date  
shots

have

been taken by a particular *istD?


Look in the Pentax private data in the MakerNote tag, tag ID code 41.







RE: PAD - renewed :)

2006-05-06 Thread Bob W
I agree. Very, very good stuff. alkos is the new buhler...

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 06 May 2006 19:36
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PAD - renewed :)
 
 Much nicer to browse!
 
 G
 
 On May 6, 2006, at 7:29 AM, alkos wrote:
 
  Thanx to your suggestions, I encouraged myself to change 
 construction 
  of my website.
 
  How do you like it now, lads? :)
 
  cheers
 
  alkos
  --
  go out, burn some film!
  24x36 at op pl
  http://pad.go.pl
 
 
 
 
 




Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds


On May 5, 2006, at 8:41 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Because most photographic projects now involve a digital source, 
almost all photographic projects favor digital. The exception would be 
personal hobby photography. For that, film is still great.


Actually, my high-end work is always on film.  Clients appreciate the 
difference in the look and are willing to pay for it.  Yes, you can get 
similar effects to all these wonderful alternative film processes in 
the digital realm, but somehow it's just not the same.


-Aaron



Re: exhibit ... reminder

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Thanks Ann!

G

On May 4, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Wish I were on the west coast, GOdfrey - good luck with it!

BEst,
ann


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


The Pacific Arts League Weekend Show was a big success last week.

I've got two photos hanging in the Photo and Sculpture show at the
same venue, which opened yesterday.
I'd like to invite you to come see them and enjoy the reception.

---
May 3 - 26
Photo and Sculpture
  :: Reception  6-9 pm
  :: Friday, May 5th
  :: Awards at 6:15 in the Main Gallery

gallery viewing hours:  Mon-Fri 9-5, Sat 10-4
---

The gallery is located at

Pacific Art League of Palo Alto
668 Ramona Street
Palo Alto, CA 94301
   650-321-3891
   www.pacificartleague.org

best
Godfrey






Re: Windows

2006-05-06 Thread Doug Brewer

in this one:  http://www.web-options.com/Windows/pages/68280013.htm

On May 6, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Bob W wrote:


too subtle for me, Mike. Where is it?

--
Cheers,
 Bob




Re: Windows

2006-05-06 Thread graywolf
Your thumbnails are incredibly tiny on my monitor, Bob. Only about 1/2 
inch wide.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---


Bob W wrote:

Hi,

I've just had a few rolls of film developed and scanned that had been lying
around for a couple of years. I was slightly surprised to notice a theme of
windows, doors, entrances  exits, so I've put together a little gallery
from the minilab scans. 


Nothing earth-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them:

http://www.web-options.com/Windows/

I took the picture of the 2 women arguing outside a café on the day
Cartier-Bresson died. I remember thinking while I was taking it that it was
vaguely HCB-ish. When I returned to where we were staying I heard on the
news that he had died. The scene also brought to mind one of Dr. Johnson's
bad jokes, about the two neighbours arguing on the doorsteps of their
houses. Those women will never agree, he said for they are arguing from
different premises.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 










Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout

2006-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Oh, 12MP is fine for a very large range of applications.  But that test 
is not representative of film.


I saw your Clint message, by the way.

-Aaron

On May 6, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

That's true. It was sized down for printing. He should have printed it 
at 300 or 360. But the web images would have been resized anyway, and 
that's all we're seeing here. I'm sure he did something wrong, but I'm 
betting it was lousy scans. The difference is too big for any other 
explanation. But I do think it demonstrates that 12 megapixel digital 
from a full frame sensor is capable of quality that can compete with 
medium format. Many pros have staked their careers on that and have 
proven it to be the case. Clint Clemens is a good example. (I 
mentioned this in a previous message, but it never showed up.) He's a 
30K/day commercial shooter with fine-art credentials. He works 
exclusively with the Canon full frame dslr in the studio and on 
location, and is booked solid.

Paul
On May 6, 2006, at 3:16 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:



On May 5, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The author of the test didn't say that. In fact, he scanned the 6x6 
at a fairly high resolution.


He said he sized both files to make a 240 dpi 20x30.  240 dpi at 
20x30 from 6x6 is not all that high -- that scanner is capable of 
much more.  Therefore, the scan was sized down.


-Aaron







Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread Don Sanderson
Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
almost 75% of the messages.
I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
own.
Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)

Don



Re: Skua (lens competition)

2006-05-06 Thread Vic Mortelmans

Hi,

why black-and-white?, seems obvious to me... there's basically only one 
color in the picture, so if you turn to grayscale, you won't loose alot.


Open it in an image editor and use the tool to pick colors; try to get 
the HSV-value of some pixels and you'll see that the H-values are very 
similar allover the picture.


I noticed because I've been experimenting with a conversion tool to make 
duotone images (i.e. images that can be printed using two inks, most 
likely black + a spot color). When I run this image through the tool, it 
has very little effect, since the source image is very close to a duotone.


Here's the comparison:
http://users.pandora.be/vicmortelmans/monochrome_bird/monochrome_bird.html
(I also added a version using a different spot color, closer to red)

Groeten,

VIc



If you like to read more about my experiments (and maybe give feedback), 
look here:

http://users.pandora.be/vicmortelmans/fts/adaptiveduotone/adaptiveduotone.html



Tim Øsleby wrote:
Don't know why. Just my gut feeling. 
Anyway, I haven't time to try now. So most likely I'll forget the idea ;-)



Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)




-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3. mai 2006 16:45
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Skua (lens competition)

Well done Tim.
It's uncanny how the background hue matches the bird's.



I think it could look nice in bw too.


Why?

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: PESO: Skua (lens competition)




Here is another Skua, shot at the same trip. In fact, I wonder if it is
the
same bird.
This one is a more strait forward composition, read less exiting. But
because of how the colours match, I like it a lot. I think it could look
nice in bw too.
It also shows better what the crappy(?) old manual focus Tokina lens can
do
under near perfect conditions.

http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=234225
*istDS, tripod, Tokina AT-X 150-500/5,6 @ 500mm, f:11, 1/350s, 400 ISO
raw.

Whatdoyoahthink?


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
















Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread Jack Davis
Maybe a 'post softener'? 

Jack

--- Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
 I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
 almost 75% of the messages.
 I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
 all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
 own.
 Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
 administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)
 
 Don
 
 


__
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 



Re: Web Gallery and Copyright help

2006-05-06 Thread Igor Roshchin
Sat, 06 May 2006 09:49:02 -0700
Dave Brooks

 Hi all.
 
 Well i have PSCS and possibly CS2 if i get it, for Mac. I have Fetch, a 
 decent 
 inexpensive FTP program, to upload my photos to my site, for Mac, and 
 renamer4mac, so i can do my global renames quickly. 
 
 Only thing is to sort out how my web pages will be created. I have just done 
 some experimenting with PS in Web Gallery, and i have set it up, as far as i 
 can tell, to accept my copyright on the image face.When i run my test photos, 
 nothing appears, just the banner info,no copy right across the image.
 
 I checked out the CS help but i;m doing what it says,again i think.:-)
 
 Any help here. If i can get this to work, i can do all my photo work on the 
 Mac. If not i';ll just have to work with BBPro on the PC for the web pages.
 
 Dave
 

Dave,

I am not in front of a Mac now, but I think it should be the same with
PC version of CS2.

1. In the Automate-Web Photo Gallery  - you choose Options - Security
(see first image the David Savage posted :
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/PSCRI.jpg )

2. You choose - one of the options in Content.
David chose Custom Text and entered it.
If you choose Copyright - then Photoshop will use the Copyright
field from the images Exif (You can set it for any and all images
in Bridge - in CS2, or (I believe) from Explorer in CS).

You can see results e.g. here:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Segovia-Pentax/pages/IMGP0818.html

HTH,

Igor





Peso: Merrit Island Wildlife Refuge

2006-05-06 Thread Bob Sullivan

Took a drive after a convention yesterday in Orlando, Florida to head
over to Cape Canaveral and the wildlife refuge.  We saw an alligator
and many birds at Blackpoint Wildlife Drive last time, but the weather
is very dry now.  I did manage to catch these shots.

http://www.members.aol.com/rfsindg/Manatees.jpg

*ist DS with DA16-45mm zoom at 45mm, f8  1/750 sec. ISO 800
small crop in on very big animals...

http://www.members.aol.com/rfsindg/Darter.jpg

*ist DS with A200/4 and AF1.7 converter, f8  1/350 sec.ISO 800
small crop and slight sharpening of a drying swimmer

No 'gators...

Bob S.



RE: Peso: Merrit Island Wildlife Refuge

2006-05-06 Thread Bob W
Two mermaids and a phoenix! How about a unicorn next time?

I especially like the phoenix.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 
 
 http://www.members.aol.com/rfsindg/Manatees.jpg
 
 *ist DS with DA16-45mm zoom at 45mm, f8  1/750 sec. ISO 800 
 small crop in on very big animals...
 
 http://www.members.aol.com/rfsindg/Darter.jpg
 
 *ist DS with A200/4 and AF1.7 converter, f8  1/350 sec.ISO 
 800 small crop and slight sharpening of a drying swimmer
 




Re: Super WA/Fisheye recommendations

2006-05-06 Thread Michael Hamilton
From my digging around and your recommendations, I think I'll go for  
the FA 20-35 and Zenitar 16.


I think the DA 16-45 would be a great lens, but I'd like to have the  
option of using a really nice wide angle with film as well.  I've  
never spent $500 on a lens, so if I do it I'd like it to be as  
flexible as possible (not Lensbaby-type flexible).


While 20mm isn't super wide for my DS, it's pretty much as wide as I  
currently have (18-55mm).  The Zenitar 16 will do a decent job of  
that, even if it's Fisheye.


Thanks, all.  Now I can properly enable myself...

Michael Hamilton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.michaelhamilton.ca


On 6-May-06, at 12:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


My favorite of the lenses you list is the DA14/2.8.
I have that and the Zenitar 16 ... both are excellent.

If a 20mm is wide enough for you, the FA20-35 is my favorite, most  
used lens.


The only other lens in this group that I'd be interested in is the  
DA12-24.


Godfrey

On May 5, 2006, at 9:34 PM, Michael Hamilton wrote:

I've been looking to replace my DA 18-55 lately, especially since  
I can get some amazing prices due to the high Canadian dollar  
right now (or is it low US dollar? ;) )


I tend to prefer primes if I can, but i certainly won't limit my  
self to that.  I'm really looking to step up optically, but I also  
would like a little wider if i can get it.


Can anyone comment on these lenses for optical and build quality?   
Experience?  I've found a few reviews, but they're not always  
helpful.


Front runners include:

Pentax 16-45mm ED AL - $409
Sigma 20mm 1.8 EX - $409 (can be used on Film also - big plus!)
Pentax 14mm ED IF - $599  (a bit more than I'd like to spend!)
Pentax 12-24mm ED AL - $599 (again, $$$)
Sigma 10-20mm - $479

I've also considered a fisheye.  If I use a Full-frame fisheye on  
my DS, would the crop treat it more like a regular wide-angle?   
ie, less distortion outside of the center axis?


Zenitar fisheye (does this work for 35mm also?) - I'd prefer an A  
lens over M, however... but it's cheap.

Pentax SCMP-DA 10-17mm - $399
Sigma 15mm 2.8 - $499

(my regular kit also includes the Pentax-A 28/2.8, Pentax-A  
50/1.7, and a Sigma 70-300 APO)


Any help is appreciated!

Michael Hamilton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.michaelhamilton.ca






Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Because of problems like these, another list I'm on recently moved to  
being a Yahoo group. All the delivery problems have disappeared.


Godfrey

On May 6, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:


Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
almost 75% of the messages.
I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
own.
Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)

Don





Re: Semi OT... DVD rewriter

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

Bob Sullivan wrote:


Alex,
Been using Plexors at work since 1x CD writers.
Nothing but flawless operations, but pricy.
When I bought mine at home, I went cheaper and saw the problems.
(not insurmontable, but annoying)
All this stuff is so cheap now, how can you go wrong!
Regards,  Bob S.


That was what I thought when I bought the gear for a wireless setup. 
You don't want to hear the thoughts I had a month later, when it was 
still not working after two changes of equipment.  My strongest 
recommendation is to not buy Belkin.




On 5/5/06, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 5/5/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 My ancient (one of the first x2 rewriters in the country!!!) CDRW 
drive seems to be expiring.  Just in time for me to fill my HDD with 
PEF files.


 I'm looking at a Philips PBDV1660G/00 DVD+-RW.

 Anyone got any nasty experiences, humerous stories, prices cheaper 
than £29.36?


 Other recommendations?

 mike


You should take a look at www.cdfreaks.com
The review is here: http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/267 Overall, it
seems a good drive.
Hmm... a week ago, I was in a computer store, wanting to buy a LG
4167B. Instead, I choosed a Plextor - big mistake. That Plextor - the
PX750A - is actually a very expensive Teac.

--
Best regards,
Alex Sarbu










Re: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: I'm Done Too!



I'd go for anyone under sixty, but I think my daughter is fussier:-).
She is back in America, living at our home and working nights as a 
waitress. The ex is still in Scotland and probably hasn't looked up 
from his beer often enough to notice his wife and daughter are gone. 
No need to be sorry. It's cause for celebration. Her husband literally 
kept her locked up most of the time, so she had to plot an escape. 
Thankfully, she was able to pull it off. She had to leave with just a 
suitcase and the clothes on her back, but it's better to be free and 
poor than to be a captive in the home of a drunken lunatic.



Damned Scots, still figuring the best way to get a wife is to raid the 
Sasanak.




Is that an Eskimo tribe?  Seems like a long way to go.  Most Scots are 
more interested in thieving your cattle, anyway.




Re: Windows

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

Bob W wrote:


too subtle for me, Mike. Where is it?

--
Cheers,
 Bob 


http://www.web-options.com/Windows/pages/68280013.htm

Over the guy's right (as you look at him) shoulder.  Looks like the 
stone facade of the shop.







-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 May 2006 09:46

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Windows




From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Nothing earth-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them:

http://www.web-options.com/Windows/



Interesting theme.  Subtle self-portrait in there.

m











Re: PAD - renewed :)

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

Bob W wrote:


I agree. Very, very good stuff. alkos is the new buhler...

--
Cheers,
 Bob 


I can't find a page 94





-Original Message-
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 May 2006 19:36

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PAD - renewed :)

Much nicer to browse!

G

On May 6, 2006, at 7:29 AM, alkos wrote:


Thanx to your suggestions, I encouraged myself to change 


construction 


of my website.

How do you like it now, lads? :)

cheers

alkos
--
go out, burn some film!
24x36 at op pl
http://pad.go.pl















Re: Semi OT... DVD rewriter

2006-05-06 Thread graywolf
Hum...? Belkin wireless router is working fine. Of course this one has 
only been up 3 days so it is hard to say if it is going to be durable or 
not. The first had a scorched smell out of the box so I returned it, 
this one seems fine. Running restricted access and encrypted, the 
firewall checks out fine too.


So what kind of problems are you having.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---


mike wilson wrote:



That was what I thought when I bought the gear for a wireless setup. You 
don't want to hear the thoughts I had a month later, when it was still 
not working after two changes of equipment.  My strongest recommendation 
is to not buy Belkin.




Re: I'm Done Too!

2006-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
The only Scot with whom I'm familiar is only interested in collecting 
public assistance and going to the pub. That's what socialism buys you. 
But I'd just as soon drop this.

Paul
On May 6, 2006, at 5:23 PM, mike wilson wrote:


William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: I'm Done Too!

I'd go for anyone under sixty, but I think my daughter is fussier:-).
She is back in America, living at our home and working nights as a 
waitress. The ex is still in Scotland and probably hasn't looked up 
from his beer often enough to notice his wife and daughter are gone. 
No need to be sorry. It's cause for celebration. Her husband 
literally kept her locked up most of the time, so she had to plot an 
escape. Thankfully, she was able to pull it off. She had to leave 
with just a suitcase and the clothes on her back, but it's better to 
be free and poor than to be a captive in the home of a drunken 
lunatic.
Damned Scots, still figuring the best way to get a wife is to raid 
the Sasanak.


Is that an Eskimo tribe?  Seems like a long way to go.  Most Scots are 
more interested in thieving your cattle, anyway.






Re: PAD - renewed :)

2006-05-06 Thread keith_w

alkos wrote:
Thanx to your suggestions, I encouraged myself to change construction of 
my website.


How do you like it now, lads? :)

cheers

alkos


You have an eye for the surreal!
I like the BW photos very much!

keith whaley



Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread Doug Brewer
We will not be going to Yahoo. Yahoo is evil. We will, however, be  
migrating to a new host, with a more robust software. I'm hoping to  
have this accomplished within a week.


I don't think it's on your end, Don. I think there are issues between  
the PDML end and your end that are hampering efficient delivery of  
the list traffic. The software I've been using, it turns out, has  
largely been abandoned, so since I've been wanting something with a  
little more umph, as well as better options for modification, I've  
been exploring other packages. I think I've settled for one, and  
using it will entail moving to a new hosting company, and thus at  
least temporary interruption. That will suck, but I'm certain that,  
in the long run, it will be a better arrangement for all of us.


Sorry for all this.

Doug
List Guy


On May 6, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Because of problems like these, another list I'm on recently moved  
to being a Yahoo group. All the delivery problems have disappeared.


Godfrey

On May 6, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:


Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
almost 75% of the messages.
I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
own.
Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)

Don







Re: Semi OT... DVD rewriter

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

graywolf wrote:

Hum...? Belkin wireless router is working fine. Of course this one has 
only been up 3 days so it is hard to say if it is going to be durable or 
not. The first had a scorched smell out of the box so I returned it, 
this one seems fine. Running restricted access and encrypted, the 
firewall checks out fine too.


So what kind of problems are you having.


Pretty much the same.  Overheating leading to network drop out and some 
wierd form of router dormancy.  Had to physically reboot it to get it to 
go again, by switching the power off and back on again, after trotting 
to the other end of the house.  Replaced router and it happened again. 
One of the adaptors (for the desktop) physically failed, too and was 
replaced.  The PC card for the laptop would never pick up first time and 
regularly took about four complete restarts to get hold of the network.


The three-step, simple wizard hung my machine every time I tried to use 
it to install the router.  The firmware upgrade download hung twice and 
never installed.  The utility interfaces are different for the USB and 
PC adaptors, so it is not possible to say for sure if you have the same 
faults or connectivity on both machines.  Email tech support is probably 
a robot, going by the (prompt) answers I received.  Telephone support, 
whilst free, is based somewhere on the Indian subcontinent and was not 
entirely helpful.  Didn't like Zonealarm running at the same time.


Looking on www.techsupportforum.com I found numerous others were having 
the same problems with these particular models.  Luckily, here in the 
UK, the retailer is responsible for providing you with suitable product 
so I just took the whole lot back, got refunded and bought Netgear.  30 
minutes to install the whole system and everything works perfectly and 
looks the same on both machines.  Router web interface is better, too. 
Left the router on the windowsill in direct sunlight, downloading two 
30Mb files simultaneously - no problem.  No problem since.  Cost a total 
of about £25 more.


On the Belkin box: Designed in California.  In small writing under the 
router: Made in China.  A complete waste of fossil resources.




graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---


mike wilson wrote:



That was what I thought when I bought the gear for a wireless setup. 
You don't want to hear the thoughts I had a month later, when it was 
still not working after two changes of equipment.  My strongest 
recommendation is to not buy Belkin.









RE: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread Don Sanderson
Thanks for all your effort Doug, as an ISP I fully
understand what you put up with.
If you need 'Beta testers' or any other assistance,
let me know.
I'm very grateful for this list and would be glad to
help.

Don

 -Original Message-
 From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 4:56 PM
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?
 
 
 We will not be going to Yahoo. Yahoo is evil. We will, however, be  
 migrating to a new host, with a more robust software. I'm hoping to  
 have this accomplished within a week.
 
 I don't think it's on your end, Don. I think there are issues between  
 the PDML end and your end that are hampering efficient delivery of  
 the list traffic. The software I've been using, it turns out, has  
 largely been abandoned, so since I've been wanting something with a  
 little more umph, as well as better options for modification, I've  
 been exploring other packages. I think I've settled for one, and  
 using it will entail moving to a new hosting company, and thus at  
 least temporary interruption. That will suck, but I'm certain that,  
 in the long run, it will be a better arrangement for all of us.
 
 Sorry for all this.
 
 Doug
 List Guy
 
 
 On May 6, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
  Because of problems like these, another list I'm on recently moved  
  to being a Yahoo group. All the delivery problems have disappeared.
 
  Godfrey
 
  On May 6, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:
 
  Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
  I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
  almost 75% of the messages.
  I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
  all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
  own.
  Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
  administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)
 
  Don
 
 
 



Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist

You the man, Doug. Do your thing.
Paul
On May 6, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:

We will not be going to Yahoo. Yahoo is evil. We will, however, be 
migrating to a new host, with a more robust software. I'm hoping to 
have this accomplished within a week.


I don't think it's on your end, Don. I think there are issues between 
the PDML end and your end that are hampering efficient delivery of the 
list traffic. The software I've been using, it turns out, has largely 
been abandoned, so since I've been wanting something with a little 
more umph, as well as better options for modification, I've been 
exploring other packages. I think I've settled for one, and using it 
will entail moving to a new hosting company, and thus at least 
temporary interruption. That will suck, but I'm certain that, in the 
long run, it will be a better arrangement for all of us.


Sorry for all this.

Doug
List Guy


On May 6, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Because of problems like these, another list I'm on recently moved to 
being a Yahoo group. All the delivery problems have disappeared.


Godfrey

On May 6, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:


Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
almost 75% of the messages.
I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
own.
Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)

Don









Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread mike wilson

Doug Brewer wrote:

We will not be going to Yahoo. Yahoo is evil. We will, however, be  
migrating to a new host, with a more robust software. I'm hoping to  
have this accomplished within a week.


Glad to hear that.  Yahoo groups is banned at work, so I would be having 
to find something to do.




I don't think it's on your end, Don. I think there are issues between  
the PDML end and your end that are hampering efficient delivery of  the 
list traffic. The software I've been using, it turns out, has  largely 
been abandoned, so since I've been wanting something with a  little more 
umph, as well as better options for modification, I've  been exploring 
other packages. I think I've settled for one, and  using it will entail 
moving to a new hosting company, and thus at  least temporary 
interruption. That will suck, but I'm certain that,  in the long run, it 
will be a better arrangement for all of us.


Sorry for all this.


Stop apologising.  It's good enough that you are telling us what you are 
going to do.  My ISP doesn't do that.  Come to think of it, neither does 
my wife.




Doug
List Guy


On May 6, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Because of problems like these, another list I'm on recently moved  to 
being a Yahoo group. All the delivery problems have disappeared.


Godfrey

On May 6, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:


Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
almost 75% of the messages.
I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
own.
Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)

Don











Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread Steve Jolly

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Because of problems like these, another list I'm on recently moved to 
being a Yahoo group. All the delivery problems have disappeared.


Leaving only the Yahoo problems. ;-)

S



OT - FS Jupiter 12

2006-05-06 Thread Igor Roshchin


Sorry, it is not Pentax.
I still have a new, unused 
Jupiter 12 35/2.8 (Contax-Kiev RF bayonet mount) for sale:
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/ele/158210888.html

More (and larger) pictures are available upon request.
If interested, e-mail for price and additional information.

Igor




Re: Super WA/Fisheye recommendations

2006-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
You can't go far wrong.  I use the FA 20-35, (one of the sharpest lenses 
I've seen, it replaces a number of primes in my kit), and SMCP 17mm F4. 
in much the same pairing.  If you don't have too many straight lines 
near the edges of your frame the Fisheye effect isn't horrible, and you 
can use software to give a rectilinear result.  The fact that it isn't 
fisheye enough on the *ist-D is my biggest complaint.


Michael Hamilton wrote:

From my digging around and your recommendations, I think I'll go for  
the FA 20-35 and Zenitar 16.


I think the DA 16-45 would be a great lens, but I'd like to have the  
option of using a really nice wide angle with film as well.  I've  
never spent $500 on a lens, so if I do it I'd like it to be as  
flexible as possible (not Lensbaby-type flexible).


While 20mm isn't super wide for my DS, it's pretty much as wide as I  
currently have (18-55mm).  The Zenitar 16 will do a decent job of  
that, even if it's Fisheye.


Thanks, all.  Now I can properly enable myself...

Michael Hamilton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.michaelhamilton.ca


On 6-May-06, at 12:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


My favorite of the lenses you list is the DA14/2.8.
I have that and the Zenitar 16 ... both are excellent.

If a 20mm is wide enough for you, the FA20-35 is my favorite, most  
used lens.


The only other lens in this group that I'd be interested in is the  
DA12-24.


Godfrey

On May 5, 2006, at 9:34 PM, Michael Hamilton wrote:

I've been looking to replace my DA 18-55 lately, especially since  I 
can get some amazing prices due to the high Canadian dollar  right 
now (or is it low US dollar? ;) )


I tend to prefer primes if I can, but i certainly won't limit my  
self to that.  I'm really looking to step up optically, but I also  
would like a little wider if i can get it.


Can anyone comment on these lenses for optical and build quality?   
Experience?  I've found a few reviews, but they're not always  helpful.


Front runners include:

Pentax 16-45mm ED AL - $409
Sigma 20mm 1.8 EX - $409 (can be used on Film also - big plus!)
Pentax 14mm ED IF - $599  (a bit more than I'd like to spend!)
Pentax 12-24mm ED AL - $599 (again, $$$)
Sigma 10-20mm - $479

I've also considered a fisheye.  If I use a Full-frame fisheye on  
my DS, would the crop treat it more like a regular wide-angle?   ie, 
less distortion outside of the center axis?


Zenitar fisheye (does this work for 35mm also?) - I'd prefer an A  
lens over M, however... but it's cheap.

Pentax SCMP-DA 10-17mm - $399
Sigma 15mm 2.8 - $499

(my regular kit also includes the Pentax-A 28/2.8, Pentax-A  50/1.7, 
and a Sigma 70-300 APO)


Any help is appreciated!

Michael Hamilton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.michaelhamilton.ca









--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).




Re: Yo, Mr Listguy?

2006-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling

Yes, but you get all the Yahoo problems instead...

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Because of problems like these, another list I'm on recently moved to  
being a Yahoo group. All the delivery problems have disappeared.


Godfrey

On May 6, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:


Anything we can be doing to help out the list constipation?
I just did a quick check against the archives, I'm missing
almost 75% of the messages.
I sent one this morning and there were at least 4 responses,
all I recieved was 1 of the responses, didn't even get my
own.
Nothing is different at my end, I'm the domain owner, mail
administrator and ISP, so I'm sure of that. ;-)

Don








--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).




  1   2   >