Re: Weird ebay product description

[Vid Strpic]

William Robb wrote:
> It's not Pentax, so I figure it's probably OK to post this one.
> The product decription is unbelievable.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150002224988&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/150002224988_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1
>
>   
Well... ROTFLMAO :)

But it's still a wonderful lens, if there any Nikonians here

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Re: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[David Mann]

On Jul 4, 2006, at 6:45 AM, Bob W wrote:

> What do others think of this as an example to evaluate the printers?
> If it's not a good example, what features should be in a photo to get
> a decent trial of a printer's abilities?

If you're going to be printing a lot of B&W, you might as well try a  
fully desaturated file.  I remember you wanted to dedicate a second  
printer to a specialist B&W inkset, but you may find the standard  
inkset to your liking.  If not, you could look into something like  
the Quadtone RIP which is very cheap (much cheaper than a second  
printer).  I tried it a while ago and was very impressed with the  
results, compared to the standard Epson driver.

http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html

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Re: Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant

[David Mann]

On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I came across a burst fire hydrant a couple of hours ago - a car  
> ran into
> it and the driver sped off before I got there - and I took a bunch  
> of pics
> of the scene.
[snip]
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bursthydrant.html

This is why we keep our hydrants underground, under a small metal cover.

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Re: Re: Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant

[Bryan Vyhmeister]

It all depends on where you live. In bigger cities no one would care
at all but in a small town like Sonora, CA things are a bit different.
We had a fire hydrant burst sometime last year or the year before and
it made front page news. Things are very "different" in small towns.
;-)

Bryan

On 7/3/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Doubtful. If a (newsworthy) picture meets the criteria of the picture
> editor, then it will be used no matter what the source. I can't believe
> that a local paper would run a line or two about a burst hydrant, unless
> (say) the car driver was racing away from a murder scene or whatever. Or
> unless a bunch of street kids were splashing about in it during a heatwave.
>
> Define 'newsworthy' ;-)

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Re: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[David Mann]

On Jul 4, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

> it's also important to shut it down at the end of the
> day using the power switch on the printer, not just turning off a  
> power
> strip.

I find that very easy to believe... when I turn off my 2100 with its  
power switch, it spends a few seconds capping the heads before the  
lights go out.  Using the power strip this routine would be skipped,  
so the ink will dry out in the heads.  I probably don't need to tell  
you how bad that is!

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Re: Google, again

[David Mann]

On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Vid Strpic wrote:

> http://checkout.google.com/
>
> Any opinions?  Could it change the Paypal domination?

Not for me as it's currently US only :)

Other than that it looks pretty good, although I haven't really spent  
very long reading the documentation (from a developer's point of view).

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Re: Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant

[Cotty]

On 3/7/06, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The only reason they would 't use it, I think, is
>free-lancer politics.

Doubtful. If a (newsworthy) picture meets the criteria of the picture
editor, then it will be used no matter what the source. I can't believe
that a local paper would run a line or two about a burst hydrant, unless
(say) the car driver was racing away from a murder scene or whatever. Or
unless a bunch of street kids were splashing about in it during a heatwave.

Define 'newsworthy' ;-)

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Re: Weird ebay product description

[Don Williams]

Don Williams wrote:

I was referring to my own use of adjectives. On re-reading my post I see 
ambiguity.

Don
> The counter tells us more than 3000 people have opened the page, but I 
> doubt more than a few have read the entire paragraph. I stopped before I 
> got halfway. The paranoid ranting about an outlandish and highly 
> improbable conspiracy began to get on my nerves. (Too many adjectives?)
>
> Don
>
> John Coyle wrote:
>   
>> It's one way to ensure your grievances reach a wide audience without 
>> developing your own web-site/blog!  I wonder how long before Ebay pulls it?
>>
>> John Coyle
>> Brisbane, Australia
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:53 AM
>> Subject: Weird ebay product description
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> It's not Pentax, so I figure it's probably OK to post this one.
>>> The product decription is unbelievable.
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150002224988&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/150002224988_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1
>>>
>>> William Robb
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Re: Weird ebay product description

[Don Williams]

The counter tells us more than 3000 people have opened the page, but I 
doubt more than a few have read the entire paragraph. I stopped before I 
got halfway. The paranoid ranting about an outlandish and highly 
improbable conspiracy began to get on my nerves. (Too many adjectives?)

Don

John Coyle wrote:
> It's one way to ensure your grievances reach a wide audience without 
> developing your own web-site/blog!  I wonder how long before Ebay pulls it?
>
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> - Original Message - 
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax Discuss" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:53 AM
> Subject: Weird ebay product description
>
>
>   
>> It's not Pentax, so I figure it's probably OK to post this one.
>> The product decription is unbelievable.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150002224988&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/150002224988_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1
>>
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Re: Weird ebay product description

[John Coyle]

It's one way to ensure your grievances reach a wide audience without 
developing your own web-site/blog!  I wonder how long before Ebay pulls it?

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: Weird ebay product description


> It's not Pentax, so I figure it's probably OK to post this one.
> The product decription is unbelievable.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150002224988&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/150002224988_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1
>
> William Robb
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RE: Weird ebay product description

[Jim King]

William Robb wrote on Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:00:55

> It's not Pentax, so I figure it's probably OK to post this one.
> The product decription is unbelievable.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
> ViewItem&item=150002224988&ru=http://search.ebay.com: 
> 80/150002224988_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1


I don't know what he's on, but it must be pretty strong - maybe some  
"Maui Wowie"  That is one of the most incoherent rambles I've ever  
encountered!

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Re: PESO: Happy Birthday Boris

[Eactivist]

What he said.

Looks like Boris has a lot of character.

Marnie aka Doe
==

In a message dated 6/23/2006 10:39:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
really like the shot!  It shows some real personality.

I glad that he is still there with you.

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Friday, June 23, 2006, 8:37:40 AM, you wrote:

wb> So it's a dog picture. But it's a very special dog picture.
wb> Today, Boris is 8 years old. Almost three years ago, he was diagnosed
wb> with lymphosarcoma and we were told by the vet "not to get our hopes
wb> up" when we decided to embark on a course of chemotherapy. (pet
wb> insurance is a wonderful thing)
wb> As you can see, he is still with us and completely in remission. He is
wb> an amazing dog. Though he doesn't much like his photo being taken.

wb> http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/62330096
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Re: New Samsung P&S cameras - 7 & 10 megapixels

[Adam Maas]

The P&S market in general isn't particularly profitable. The margins are 
getting very thin.

That said, it's nice to know Pentax Canada at least is doing well off 
the P&S market.

-Adam


Aaron Reynolds wrote:

>Are you saying that Samsung's or Pentax's line was unprofitable?
>
>Pentax's P&S digital cameras pushed Pentax Canada to the two most profitable 
>months in the company's history, very recently.
>
>-Aaron
>
>-Original Message-
>
>From:  "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I think Pentax has made a deal with Samsung trying to get out of the
>P&S digital all together.  This line was unprofitable and Samsung has
>the consumer electronics distribution channels to try and achieve
>profitable mass market sales.
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Re: SV: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> I'm not uncritical - so I spend loads of time editing, which IMO is
> necassary if you shoot digital and want high quality results. Too much 
> time,
> actually.
> I'll bet you do too.

Nope, I don't.  I use digital for speed, I'm critical and I get 
excellent results.  I do no post-processing.  Jens, you just need to 
break out of your metering-for-film mindset.

Like I offered before, I'll gladly share a file or two with you if you 
don't believe me.

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Re: New Samsung P&S cameras - 7 & 10 megapixels

[Aaron Reynolds]

Are you saying that Samsung's or Pentax's line was unprofitable?

Pentax's P&S digital cameras pushed Pentax Canada to the two most profitable 
months in the company's history, very recently.

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I think Pentax has made a deal with Samsung trying to get out of the
P&S digital all together.  This line was unprofitable and Samsung has
the consumer electronics distribution channels to try and achieve
profitable mass market sales.

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Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera

[Aaron Reynolds]

But how well set up was the digital system?

I ask not to be a smartass, but because my $1,200 standard definition 
television can outperform $4000-plus high definition sets at my friends' 
houses.  Not because it's better -- it sure ain't -- but because mine's been 
calibrated and tweaked and theirs is running with its out-of-the-box defaults. 

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I think that's where you and I differ substantially.  I don't consider a 
desktop monitor to be high resolution.  I've looked at systems costing nearly 
£5000 and they are nowhere near as good as a well set up analogue system.

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Re: Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant

[Ann Sanfedele]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> I came across a burst fire hydrant a couple of hours ago - a car ran into
> it and the driver sped off before I got there - and I took a bunch of pics
> of the scene.  A little while ago  I e-mailed four pics to the local fish
> wrap.  Of course, I don't know if they'll be used - you can never tell -
> especially as one person I spoke to said she thought they had a photog
> there, but the other person, at the news desk, was very interested.  We'll
> see.
> 
> Of the ones I took, this is the one I thought might be the most interesting
> to the newspaper.  Having a digital camera is great!  It was only about 30
> minutes or so from the time I snapped the shutter until the pics were on
> their way.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bursthydrant.html
> 
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Nice photo-journalistic shot, Shel
There will doubtless be some caption cracking wise about
"Old Faithful" 
juxtaposition with the flag and person good. even "max" on
the sign plays into it.
The only reason they would 't use it, I think, is
free-lancer politics.

Good luck.

ann

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Re: SD 512 memory card

[Ann Sanfedele]

David Savage wrote:
> 
> At 09:01 AM 4/07/2006, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> >Shel and all you guys who responded while I was out grocery
> >shopping -
> >
> >I don't know the speed - nothing on the package uses that
> >word it sends one to> >the website for the product details
> >
> 
> The joys of being a member of a list surrounded by techie types, Hey Anne?!
> 
> :-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> I the war between the "Baby Boomers" & "Generation Y", technology is
> "Generation Y's" greatest weapon. (I ripped that off a 60 Minutes story.)
> 

And let us not forget those of us who are Depression babies
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Re: SD 512 memory card

[David Savage]

At 09:01 AM 4/07/2006, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>Shel and all you guys who responded while I was out grocery
>shopping -
>
>I don't know the speed - nothing on the package uses that
>word it sends one to
>the website for the product details
>

The joys of being a member of a list surrounded by techie types, Hey Anne?!

:-)

Dave

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Re: SD 512 memory card

[Ann Sanfedele]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> Ann ...
> 
> I use various flash cards to xfer data between computers.  They make a nice
> alternative to much lower capacity floppy disks.  The answer to your
> question is, yes, you can put anything on it.  Might be nice to have if you
> want to easily take a few images to a lab for printing instead of burning a
> CD.
> 
> You didn't mention the speed of the card.  That might help someone decide
> if they want it.  The price might be a little high regardless.  Fast 1GB
> cards can be had for less than that these days.  For example, an 80X 1GB
> card can be purchased here for less than $25.00, and a 150X 2GB card for
> about $43.00.
> 
> Shel
> 
>
Shel and all you guys who responded while I was out grocery
shopping - 

I don't know the speed - nothing on the package uses that
word it sends one to
the website for the product details

I actually would rather not keep it because it is so tiny -
I have a hard enough time handling
and not losing things that are 5 times the size :)

The bar code number on the back is 7 40617 07426 0

I just bought it at Photo Tech when I picked up my dead
camera - I thought $40 was
a good price from earlier experiences with CF cards and I
wanted to get right to testing
the DS

I was thinking of putting it in something the size of a
floppy - not in my camera
but basically, I'd rather not have tiny things in my life
that I can break or mishandle.
hard enough taking care of the camera

ann the inept







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Re: New Samsung P&S cameras - 7 & 10 megapixels

[Paul Stenquist]

I doubt that it's an APS-C sensor. It's probably something they 
developed strictly for the P&S market. Impressive technology 
nevertheless.
Paul
On Jul 3, 2006, at 8:41 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> New cameras announced today - from Yahoo News.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060703/tc_zd/182435
>
> The article is quoted below, in case the link won't work for 
> non-subscribers.
>
> I think Pentax has made a deal with Samsung trying to get out of the
> P&S digital all together.  This line was unprofitable and Samsung has
> the consumer electronics distribution channels to try and achieve
> profitable mass market sales.
>
> Is this our new 10 megapixel sensor?
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>> Determined to make consumers notice, Samsung has gone back to the
> drawing board to redesign its point-and-shoot digital cameras. The
> results can be seen in three new digital cameras the company announced
> today—the NV3, NV7, and NV10—all part of the new NV series of
> point-and-shoot cameras. Aside from the new name, the new offerings
> also have some unique form factors and intriguing features.
>
> Samsung is keeping pace with the ever-increasing megapixel counts in
> the camera industry, offering two 7-megapixel cameras, the NV3 and the
> NV7, and one 10-megapixel camera, the NV10. But the increased
> resolutions only tell part of the story. What's truly striking about
> these three cameras is that they are very small, thin, and light. For
> the NV3 and the NV10, which both have a 3X optical zoom, this isn't
> such a big deal. But the NV7 sports a 7X optical zoom, yet the body is
> only about 0.8 inches thick, 4.2 inches wide, and 2.5 inches wide.
> They're also smartly designed, doing away with the stodgy look of
> Samsung's Digimax series.
>
> All the cameras will feature the company's electronic Advanced Shake
> Reduction system, and the NV7 will also include a mechanical vibration
> system, called "Optical Picture Stabilization." All three cameras will
> also have video capabilities (with sound), and feature a 2.5-inch LCD.
>
> ---
>
> The suggested retail prices of the NV3, NV7, and NV10 will be $349.99,
> $449.99, and $399.99, respectively. All three will be available in the
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Re: New Samsung P&S cameras - 7 & 10 megapixels

[Adam Maas]

That 10MP sensor is far too small to be the one for the K10D. Expect a 
Sony sensor, either the D200 sensor or the 3fps version from the Alpha A100.

-Adam

Bob Sullivan wrote:

>New cameras announced today - from Yahoo News.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060703/tc_zd/182435
>
>The article is quoted below, in case the link won't work for non-subscribers.
>
>I think Pentax has made a deal with Samsung trying to get out of the
>P&S digital all together.  This line was unprofitable and Samsung has
>the consumer electronics distribution channels to try and achieve
>profitable mass market sales.
>
>Is this our new 10 megapixel sensor?
>
>Regards,  Bob S.
>
>  
>
>>Determined to make consumers notice, Samsung has gone back to the
>>
>>
>drawing board to redesign its point-and-shoot digital cameras. The
>results can be seen in three new digital cameras the company announced
>today—the NV3, NV7, and NV10—all part of the new NV series of
>point-and-shoot cameras. Aside from the new name, the new offerings
>also have some unique form factors and intriguing features.
>
>Samsung is keeping pace with the ever-increasing megapixel counts in
>the camera industry, offering two 7-megapixel cameras, the NV3 and the
>NV7, and one 10-megapixel camera, the NV10. But the increased
>resolutions only tell part of the story. What's truly striking about
>these three cameras is that they are very small, thin, and light. For
>the NV3 and the NV10, which both have a 3X optical zoom, this isn't
>such a big deal. But the NV7 sports a 7X optical zoom, yet the body is
>only about 0.8 inches thick, 4.2 inches wide, and 2.5 inches wide.
>They're also smartly designed, doing away with the stodgy look of
>Samsung's Digimax series.
>
>All the cameras will feature the company's electronic Advanced Shake
>Reduction system, and the NV7 will also include a mechanical vibration
>system, called "Optical Picture Stabilization." All three cameras will
>also have video capabilities (with sound), and feature a 2.5-inch LCD.
>
>---
>
>The suggested retail prices of the NV3, NV7, and NV10 will be $349.99,
>$449.99, and $399.99, respectively. All three will be available in the
>fall.  <<
>
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First attempt at digital post-processing

[Michael McCracken]

Hi, I'm extremely novice at post-processing images, but some shots I
took today at the La Jolla gliderport really needed exposure
correction (still getting the hang of my new camera).

I'd appreciate any comments on how these look, and whether or not they
look 'off' due to inexperienced manipulation:

http://flickr.com/photos/michaelmccracken/tags/gliderport/

I used the beta of Adobe Lightroom for Mac OS X to crop and correct
the images, and I'm really liking that program. Hopefully it doesn't
cost an arm and a leg when it comes out...

Cheers,
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New Samsung P&S cameras - 7 & 10 megapixels

[Bob Sullivan]

New cameras announced today - from Yahoo News.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060703/tc_zd/182435

The article is quoted below, in case the link won't work for non-subscribers.

I think Pentax has made a deal with Samsung trying to get out of the
P&S digital all together.  This line was unprofitable and Samsung has
the consumer electronics distribution channels to try and achieve
profitable mass market sales.

Is this our new 10 megapixel sensor?

Regards,  Bob S.

>Determined to make consumers notice, Samsung has gone back to the
drawing board to redesign its point-and-shoot digital cameras. The
results can be seen in three new digital cameras the company announced
today—the NV3, NV7, and NV10—all part of the new NV series of
point-and-shoot cameras. Aside from the new name, the new offerings
also have some unique form factors and intriguing features.

Samsung is keeping pace with the ever-increasing megapixel counts in
the camera industry, offering two 7-megapixel cameras, the NV3 and the
NV7, and one 10-megapixel camera, the NV10. But the increased
resolutions only tell part of the story. What's truly striking about
these three cameras is that they are very small, thin, and light. For
the NV3 and the NV10, which both have a 3X optical zoom, this isn't
such a big deal. But the NV7 sports a 7X optical zoom, yet the body is
only about 0.8 inches thick, 4.2 inches wide, and 2.5 inches wide.
They're also smartly designed, doing away with the stodgy look of
Samsung's Digimax series.

All the cameras will feature the company's electronic Advanced Shake
Reduction system, and the NV7 will also include a mechanical vibration
system, called "Optical Picture Stabilization." All three cameras will
also have video capabilities (with sound), and feature a 2.5-inch LCD.

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$449.99, and $399.99, respectively. All three will be available in the
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Re: Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant

[Shel Belinkoff]

The pics were submitted for newspaper publication, not for use on a web
site.  Yes, they know how to spell my name - it's in the email I sent along
with the pics.  The photo editor got back to me and described the image as
"hydrant art."  The pics were rejected for inclusion into the paper, now I
am free to post it to the paper's web site.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Jack Davis 

> Shel, Appropriate shot together with flag.
> Would be interesting to learn if any are used. Did they ask how to
> spell your last name? 
> I imagine you'll be checking their website.(?)

> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bursthydrant.html



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RE: Weird ebay product description

[Shel Belinkoff]

  I couldn't get past the first few sentences.  Seems like the
seller never heard of paragraph breaks. 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb 

> It's not Pentax, so I figure it's probably OK to post this one.
> The product decription is unbelievable.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150002224988


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Re: Paw

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent composition, well rendered.
Paul
On Jul 3, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:

> Simply outstanding!
>
> Don
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:12 PM
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Paw
>>
>>
>> One from the weekend.
>>
>> istD with FA70-200 and shot in Raw. Converted in PSCS to B&W
>> R=80,G=20,B=5. Constant-2.
>> Some S/H but only a tweak.
>>
>> This is the front four of Nuraw Blooze. Guest singer is the guy
>> to the right of the guitar
>> player.
>>  
>>  
>>
>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/four.jpg
>>
>> Not as contrasty as i wanted, but nice enough i think
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Weird ebay product description

[William Robb]

It's not Pentax, so I figure it's probably OK to post this one.
The product decription is unbelievable.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150002224988&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/150002224988_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

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Re: Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant

[Jack Davis]

Shel, Appropriate shot together with flag.
Would be interesting to learn if any are used. Did they ask how to
spell your last name? 
I imagine you'll be checking their website.(?)

Jack

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I came across a burst fire hydrant a couple of hours ago - a car ran
> into
> it and the driver sped off before I got there - and I took a bunch of
> pics
> of the scene.  A little while ago  I e-mailed four pics to the local
> fish
> wrap.  Of course, I don't know if they'll be used - you can never
> tell -
> especially as one person I spoke to said she thought they had a
> photog
> there, but the other person, at the news desk, was very interested. 
> We'll
> see.
> 
> 
> Of the ones I took, this is the one I thought might be the most
> interesting
> to the newspaper.  Having a digital camera is great!  It was only
> about 30
> minutes or so from the time I snapped the shutter until the pics were
> on
> their way.
> 
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bursthydrant.html
> 
> 
> Shel
> 
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Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant

[Shel Belinkoff]

I came across a burst fire hydrant a couple of hours ago - a car ran into
it and the driver sped off before I got there - and I took a bunch of pics
of the scene.  A little while ago  I e-mailed four pics to the local fish
wrap.  Of course, I don't know if they'll be used - you can never tell -
especially as one person I spoke to said she thought they had a photog
there, but the other person, at the news desk, was very interested.  We'll
see.


Of the ones I took, this is the one I thought might be the most interesting
to the newspaper.  Having a digital camera is great!  It was only about 30
minutes or so from the time I snapped the shutter until the pics were on
their way.


http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bursthydrant.html


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RE: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[Bob W]

The cost of paper and inks for the Epson R800 doesn't seem to be all
that different than for the Oly P440. I have assumed that one set of
inks would last for 100 A4 prints. Whether that is true or not I don't
know - my last lot would never have lasted that long - so the
consumables for the inkjet may turn out to cost more than those for
the dye-sub.

According to the Epson site it would set me back £126- for a full set
of inks and 100 sheets of premium glossy A4, against £180- for the
P440 equivalents. Other dye-subs are a lot cheaper, and presumably I
could get the inkjet consumables more cheaply, but the difference
isn't as big as I expected.

I wouldn't particularly mind about the lack of choices provided the
quality, cost etc. were ok.

Why are dye-subs more prone or more sensitive than inkjets to dust?

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of wendy beard
> Sent: 03 July 2006 18:58
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> Subject: Re: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers
> 
> > Bob W wrote
> >
> > A4 dye-sub printers seem to be at a reasonably affordable 
> price point
> > nowadays, compared to when I last bought a photo printer. 
> What are the
> > pros and cons of each type of printer? I am not particularly
> > interested in buying a printer that does larger than A4 since I
only
> > rarely need a larger print.
> >
> 
> I used to own an Olympus P-400 dye-sub printer which printed up to
A4
> I'd bought it to do on-site printing at trials. Paper and ribbons
were
> very expensive. Plus you had no choice but to buy the Olympus paper
> and ribbon. I could print glossy or matte, but that entailed
switching
> ribbons not the paper. It was also not very forgiving of dust. I
> frequently had to discard the first and sometines the second print
> because of dust.
> The prints out of it tended to have a more plasticky look to them.
> A friend recently showed me two photos she'd had taken by the
official
> photographer at a dog conformations show. Without even looking at
the
> back of the print I knew immediately that one of them had been
printed
> using a dye-sub on site. The difference was striking.
> 
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Re: PUG again

[Lon Williamson]

It seems to me that the recent spate of messages about PUG resulted in a 
healthy number of photos.
Maybe we should all gripe a bit a week before the due date.  Sorry I 
didn't contribute this month.

Tom C wrote:

> Hi Adelheid,
> Respectfully, none of the comments on that topic was ever intended to 
> make you a subject of the discussion and I was extremely careful to 
> avoid that.  I'm sorry you are feeling frustrated.
> I think the conversation was healthy overall - not futile bickering.  
> It may lead to more participation and to higher quality submissions.
> I'm sure all who have participated in the past or will in the future, 
> appreciate your efforts.
>
>> From: "AvK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" 
>> Subject: PUG again
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:54:15 +0200
>>
>> Hi folks,
>> you know that i am very quiet on this list, because i simply don't 
>> have the time to post.
>> I hack out every month the time from my busy schedule to make the PUG.
>> Ok i have automated it quite a bit and i am willing to do it for some 
>> time to come. If the ones who have the time to bicker about the PUG 
>> would spend this time to contribute it would be better spent time in 
>> my humble opinion.
>> I am bit frustrated, so don't take this comment as a reason for a new 
>> round of bickering.
>> Best
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RE: Paw

[Don Sanderson]

BTW: I had always understood the FA 70-200 to be a dog.
Detail in the shirt, arm, hat and guitar is excellent.
So much for that theory!

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:12 PM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Paw 
> 
> 
> One from the weekend.
> 
> istD with FA70-200 and shot in Raw. Converted in PSCS to B&W 
> R=80,G=20,B=5. Constant-2.
> Some S/H but only a tweak.
> 
> This is the front four of Nuraw Blooze. Guest singer is the guy 
> to the right of the guitar
> player.   
>   
>   
> 
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/four.jpg
> 
> Not as contrasty as i wanted, but nice enough i think
> 
> Dave
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RE: Paw

[Don Sanderson]

Simply outstanding!

Don

> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Paw 
> 
> 
> One from the weekend.
> 
> istD with FA70-200 and shot in Raw. Converted in PSCS to B&W 
> R=80,G=20,B=5. Constant-2.
> Some S/H but only a tweak.
> 
> This is the front four of Nuraw Blooze. Guest singer is the guy 
> to the right of the guitar
> player.   
>   
>   
> 
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/four.jpg
> 
> Not as contrasty as i wanted, but nice enough i think
> 
> Dave
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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

[Lon Williamson]

One of the most difficult AND one of the most expensive.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>
>Having tried a tiny bit of bird photography, and my awareness and admiration 
>just goes up for those that actually do it well. I think it's one of the 
>subgenres of photography that can be ranked as difficult to very difficult -- 
>much 
>more difficult than some other subgenres. 
>
>Just my .02 cents.
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Re: What Were You Trying to Say?

[Lon Williamson]

Yeah, and if one shoots that way, one can count on a few comments like
"I would have reframed to avoid the _distracting_highlights_ in the 
upper left.."
etc. etc.

Ya like it or ya don't, I'm beginning to feel.

>frank theriault wrote:
>  
>
>>Boris' recent PESO (or was it a PAW?) featured at least two questions
>>along the lines of the above subject line.
>>
>>Which got me to thinking:  What difference does it make?  I very often
>>take photos which, ~at the time I take them~, I have no idea "what I'm
>>trying to say".  I just take them, look at them later, and if I like
>>them, I print them.
>>
>>Is that wrong?
>>
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Re: July PUG is open

[mike wilson]

Jostein Øksne wrote:
> On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Only a guess from the exposure time.  Care to explain fully?
>>I like the colours - looks like flowing paint.
> 
> 
> The water lends it's colour from a pale November sky. It's spilling
> over a dam where I stood underneath, shooting upwards.
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/06jul/pugjul06j.html
> 
> Jostein
> 
I like the way you've captured the steadiness of flow that gives it the 
precise "folds".

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Re: PESO: Tree Swallows

[Bob Sullivan]

Jack,

Yes, the three pictures were machine gun fashion, one press of the
shutter.  It was the first time I had used the continuous mode.  I was
impressed at the time because of all the chatter on the list about the
*Ds having a slow frame rate/small buffer size.  It was more than
satisfactory in this case.

I've used the Motor A (3.5 fps) on the Super Program (extensively),
and ME2 and LX winders along with the LX motor drive.  The *Ds won't
keep up with the LX motor drive's 5 fps but is close to the Motor A
and comparable with the winders 2 fps.

The funny thing is this.  If you are used to film shooting, you cringe
at machine gunning a subject.  36 frames isn't very many before you
need to reload.  You shoot short bursts, maybe 3-4 frames in a row.

After these photos, I can remember testing the *Ds that day.  I got 8
jpegs of continuous shooting before I heard the camera slow down.  8
shots in a row seems like an eternity.  It was hard to keep my finger
pressed down that long.

Thanks for the comments,  Bob S.

On 7/3/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob,
> Some really nice shots! Were "MOM"(extra nice), "LINE-UP", & "PERCHED"
> all on one press of the shutter release?
> Last shot (lower right) extra cute.
>
> Jack
>
> --- Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Here is another simple gallery on Picasa.
> > It shows some of my first pictures last year from the *Ds.
> >
> > These were taken as jpegs in June, 2005.
> > I smile at the discussions about speeds and buffer sizes.
> > I had no problems capturing these birds in flight.
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NestingTreeSwallows
> >
> > Coments and criticisms is welcome.
> >
> > Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: test #10 still ignorable

[mike wilson]

Jostein Øksne wrote:

> On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>>From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 03:01:20 GMT
>>>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>>Subject: Re: test #10 still ignorable
>>>
>>>Mike, you have a Heart Of Gold...:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Zaphod
>>
>>Actually, I have this terrible pain down my left side..8-((
>>
> 
> 
> Have you asked for replacements?
> 
Brain the size of a planet and I have to do my own maintenance 
scheduling?  Think I'll just carry on opening doors for people.

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Re: PESO Football

[mike wilson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 7/1/2006 2:29:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> A game of one half.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3341/display/6051533
> ===
> Got me going on that one!
> 
> Hehehehehehehehe.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  ;-)  It seems a pretty muted, you need to curves or something.
> 
Probably.  I'm more interested in the joke than the picture.  Thnaks for 
looking and commenting, though.  I'm glad the cards worked out well for 
you.  That's the sort of stuff that is important to do well.

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Paw

[brooksdj]

One from the weekend.

istD with FA70-200 and shot in Raw. Converted in PSCS to B&W R=80,G=20,B=5. 
Constant-2.
Some S/H but only a tweak.

This is the front four of Nuraw Blooze. Guest singer is the guy to the right of 
the guitar
player.   



http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/four.jpg

Not as contrasty as i wanted, but nice enough i think

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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[Bob Sullivan]

If new cameras are shipping to the USA for the Xmas season, they are
surely produced and shipped by now.  Shipped containers by February
from the orient is the general rule for the US Toy industry.

Somebody said $1,000 per pound airfreight was off by at least 2 orders
of magnitude and I agree.  That price would be $160,000 per a
passenger ticket for human transport...and I guarantee they are not
giving passengers a cheaper fare than freight.

Regards,  Bob S.


On 7/3/06, John Mullan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a friend who is the radio officer on a container ship, it is 5 weeks
> for him to go from Oakland, CA to the Orient and return.  So ~2.5 weeks from
> loading to unloading stateside, and who knows how much longer to get into
> the stores. I imagine other ports have similar shipping times.
>
> jm
>
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 02:55:53 GMT
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B
> >>
> >> Note I said large quantities. Air freight operations typically use the
> >> small packages to make up the rest of the load, very large shipments pay
> >> almost the entire fuel cost.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >
> > I still think you are two orders of magnitude out.  $1000/lb?  It would be
> > cheaper to buy seats on a passenger plane.
> >
> > M, 747s full of limited lenses.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Don Williams wrote:
> >>
> >> >I got a package from Hong Kong a week ago. It weighed about half a
> >> >kilogram -- cost $7.50. It didn't come across the Pacific but over the
> >> >top of the world. Maybe there's something special about the Pacific I
> >> >don't know?
> >> >
> >> >Don
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >mike wilson wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>>From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >>>Date: 2006/07/02 Sun PM 11:51:09 GMT
> >> >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> >>>Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Nope, Shel's accurate on this one, they come over by the containerload
> >> >>>on ships. Considering the cost of air freight across the Pacific is on
> >> >>>the order of $1000/lb for large quantities, Air freight is certainly
> >> >>>not
> >> >>>viable for anything cheaper than a Canon 1Ds or Hasselblad.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>-Adam
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>No wonder those little (ahem) babies are so costly.  Got to be about
> >> >>$5000 just to get a 1Ds across the Pacific.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> I think Shel was speaking metaphorically.
> >> Paul
> >> On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Powell Hargrave wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >>B&H is listing them, as Shel pointed out. That means they should be
> >> >>available soon. Some may already be on ships.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Do cameras move on ships these days?  I would think that with the
> >> >high
> >> >value and the speed of the market it would make air cargo more
> >> >likely.
> >> >
> >> >Powell
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Re: PESO- The Other Paul

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Marnie. Yes, unfortunately for Paul and others like him,  the 
entertainment is secondary to the shopping.
But it's exposure, and he is paid.
Paul
On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 7/2/2006 3:52:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> I have a friend named Paul Miles. He's a blues singer who performs
> regularly at various venues in Southeast Michigan. He's quite good and
> is well respected in the blues community. I've shot him many times, and
> a photo of mine served as the cover for one of his CDs: "Blues Avenue."
> I ran across him this morning at a farmer's market in Birmingham,
> Michigan. He saw me coming, and said, "Here comes the other Paul." I
> shot a dozen or so pics that are similar to others I've taken of him:
> tight, waste up, mouth in motion. But this time I walked away and shot
> him again in the environment. I kind of like it. I think Paul -- the
> other Paul -- will like it as well. It's here:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4633790&size=lg
> ===
> Nice shot. And what I've noticed happens at farmer's markets here -- 
> no one
> pays attention to the musicians. Oh, they listen, but they too busy 
> shopping to
> pay attention. Nice shot.
>
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RE: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[Bob W]

Thanks for the offer. It's kind, but the R2400 is more than I want to
pay, so the prints wouldn't really help me. 

I'm not planning to send the jpeg for printing - it is shown for
illustrative purposes only! The original is a Kodachrome slide; if I
use this picture I will rescan it and prepare it for each of the
printers, assuming I can find their ICC profiles on-line. I would like
to try and get 3 samples, from a slide, a colour neg and from a RAW
file from my E500, to see how the printers treat each one.

Another, more boring but perhaps more scientific option, would be to
have them print my Q-60 slide scan, I suppose.

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> 
> 
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > http://www.web-options.com/Saris.jpg
> > because it includes large areas of even tone, but with a 
> lot of detail
> > and bright colour, plus shadow detail and subtle tones, rich
blacks
> > and some highlights.
> >
> > What do others think of this as an example to evaluate the
printers?
> > If it's not a good example, what features should be in a 
> photo to get
> > a decent trial of a printer's abilities?
> 
> As I see it on my screen, this is an overly contrasty image 
> with high  
> contrast, poor Zone II-V separation, and an overall cyan cast. I  
> would NOT evaluate a printer based on printing this JPEG image; it  
> needs correction to be suitable for printing and might never be an  
> optimal print due to the under-exposed shadows which will be  
> difficult to render properly if they original captures are not RAW  
> format.
> 
> If you want, I'll send you a couple of nicely printed B&W and Color

> 5x7 photos printed on the Epson R2400. Send me an email...
> 
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RE: SD to CF card adapter

[Jens Bladt]

That's true. I mainly want it becase my Flash trax only accepts CF cards.
With the adapter I can use my Flash Trax while shooting with the DL ;-)
I find my self using both cameras simultaneoulsy  - the 24mm on the DL and
diffent lenses on the D (preferably a 28-70mm or a 80-200mm). This is much
faster than changing lenses frequently :-)
Regards
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It's not the same as the ones I have, but looks very similar. Yes, if
you use one of these, you can use only one type of media card. It's
not quite as convenient as having CF cards for CF cameras as you
typically have to put the SD card into the adapter  and then insert
that whole assembly into the camera, which slows down operations in
the field.

Godfrey

On Jul 3, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> My photodealer found this one for me. It seems that the adapter can
> totally
> contain the SD card ?
> Does anyone have any experiences with this, please?
> If I can put the whole combo into my D, it means I will only need
> ONE type
> of card for my DSLR's?
> http://www.datafab.com/product/flash_card_adapter_compant_cfiisd.htm


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RE: SD to CF card adapter

[Jens Bladt]

Thanks Shel, speed is certainly an isue to consider.
I do believe the D takes type II.
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Two things to consider: Does the D take CF Type II cards and does using the
adapter result in a degradation of the speed to which the SD card is
written. I don't know the answers but I have heard those questions raised
elsewhere.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Jens Bladt

> My photodealer found this one for me. It seems that the adapter can
totally
> contain the SD card ?
> Does anyone have any experiences with this, please?
> If I can put the whole combo into my D, it means I will only need ONE type
> of card for my DSLR's?
> http://www.datafab.com/product/flash_card_adapter_compant_cfiisd.htm



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Re: SD to CF card adapter

[P. J. Alling]

Yes the D take type II cards, I don't see how it wouldn't degrade 
performance.  However the real question is does it degrade it enough to 
be an issue.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

>Two things to consider: Does the D take CF Type II cards and does using the
>adapter result in a degradation of the speed to which the SD card is
>written. I don't know the answers but I have heard those questions raised
>elsewhere.  
>
>Shel
>
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Jens Bladt 
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>My photodealer found this one for me. It seems that the adapter can
>>
>>
>totally
>  
>
>>contain the SD card ?
>>Does anyone have any experiences with this, please?
>>If I can put the whole combo into my D, it means I will only need ONE type
>>of card for my DSLR's?
>>http://www.datafab.com/product/flash_card_adapter_compant_cfiisd.htm
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: SD 512 memory card

[Shel Belinkoff]

I've purchased at New Egg.  Check out their SD cards.  The Transcend 80X
1GB card is less than $25.00; the 150X 2GB card is less than $45.00  Other
cards may be more or less. I've been very pleased with the
performance/quality ratio of Transcend cards.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Russell Kerstetter

> where did you find a 1gb 80x for $25?
>
> the cheapest I found on google is $40



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Re: SD to CF card adapter

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I hunted through my orders and found the two types of SD->CF adapters  
I purchased recently.

Flash Memory Store.com ... 5 in 1 Compact Flash Adapter US$29.95
http://flashmemory-store.stores.yahoo.net/cf4in1.html

This one is useful for portable storage devices that have only a CF  
card slot. It takes SD, MMC, SmartMedia, Memory Stick media cards and  
allows them all to be plugged into a device that accepts CF cards.

PSISM.com ... SD->CF card adapter   $29
http://www.psism.com/cidaii.htm

This device takes SD cards and fits into the CF slot of both portable  
storage devices and cameras, PDAs, etc.

I've used the first one successfully with a FireWire CF card reader  
and Epson P2000 devices, I've used the second successfully with SD  
cards in Canon, KM and Sony cameras.

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Re: PESO: Salg

[Toralf Lund]

> Frustrating when a picture appears to slant more than it actually does,
> but it's unavoidable at this crop.
> If the curb were cropped off, a leveling tweak would take care of it.
> Gotta say, if it has an "it", it escapes me.
>   
I don't know, it's not a picture I was particularly pleased with 
originally, but when the screensaver on my Mac threw it at me the other 
day, I suddenly thought that maybe it wasn't too bad after all, and that 
a certain amount of processing might turn it into something something 
pleasant. Then again, maybe not... I didn't say that this is the right 
crop for it, though - quite on the contrary; I tried to present it as an 
uncropped version of something that needs a crop...

The "it" would be defined by the text written on the window to the 
right, if anything. Apparently, this lady missed it...

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Re: SD 512 memory card

[Russell Kerstetter]

where did you find a 1gb 80x for $25?

the cheapest I found on google is $40

russell

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Re: SD to CF card adapter

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The D's maximum write speed is slow enough that the 15% potential  
performance degradation of a 60x SD card will never be noticed in- 
camera.

Adapters of this type fit in my Canon, Sony and Konica MInolta  
cameras. I have two of them and use them interchangeably with CF  
cards. I can't imagine that the Pentax *ist D would not take them  
just as easily since it can take microdrives.

Godfrey

On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Two things to consider: Does the D take CF Type II cards and does  
> using the
> adapter result in a degradation of the speed to which the SD card is
> written. I don't know the answers but I have heard those questions  
> raised
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Re: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 3, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Bob W wrote:

> http://www.web-options.com/Saris.jpg
> because it includes large areas of even tone, but with a lot of detail
> and bright colour, plus shadow detail and subtle tones, rich blacks
> and some highlights.
>
> What do others think of this as an example to evaluate the printers?
> If it's not a good example, what features should be in a photo to get
> a decent trial of a printer's abilities?

As I see it on my screen, this is an overly contrasty image with high  
contrast, poor Zone II-V separation, and an overall cyan cast. I  
would NOT evaluate a printer based on printing this JPEG image; it  
needs correction to be suitable for printing and might never be an  
optimal print due to the under-exposed shadows which will be  
difficult to render properly if they original captures are not RAW  
format.

If you want, I'll send you a couple of nicely printed B&W and Color  
5x7 photos printed on the Epson R2400. Send me an email...

Godfrey

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Re: SD to CF card adapter

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It's not the same as the ones I have, but looks very similar. Yes, if  
you use one of these, you can use only one type of media card. It's  
not quite as convenient as having CF cards for CF cameras as you  
typically have to put the SD card into the adapter  and then insert  
that whole assembly into the camera, which slows down operations in  
the field.

Godfrey

On Jul 3, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> My photodealer found this one for me. It seems that the adapter can  
> totally
> contain the SD card ?
> Does anyone have any experiences with this, please?
> If I can put the whole combo into my D, it means I will only need  
> ONE type
> of card for my DSLR's?
> http://www.datafab.com/product/flash_card_adapter_compant_cfiisd.htm


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Google, again

[Vid Strpic]

http://checkout.google.com/


Any opinions?  Could it change the Paypal domination?

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Re: SD to CF card adapter

[japilado]

That adapter looks like one that fits into the PC card slot on my old Mac
Powerbook.  Don't think it will fit into the *D - too large.

Jim A.




> My photodealer found this one for me. It seems that the adapter can
> totally
> contain the SD card ?
> Does anyone have any experiences with this, please?
> If I can put the whole combo into my D, it means I will only need ONE type
> of card for my DSLR's?
> http://www.datafab.com/product/flash_card_adapter_compant_cfiisd.htm
>
> Regards
> Jens Bladt
> http://www.jensbladt.dk
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> +45 23 43 85 77
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RE: PESO: Tree Swallows

[Shel Belinkoff]

Nice series, Bob ...

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan

> Here is another simple gallery on Picasa.
> It shows some of my first pictures last year from the *Ds.
>
> These were taken as jpegs in June, 2005.

> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NestingTreeSwallows



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RE: PESO - Breakfast at Tina's Creekside Cafe

[Bob W]

Nuns already look scary - why do you think I ran away from so many
kindergartens?

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> Subject: RE: PESO - Breakfast at Tina's Creekside Cafe
> 
> She had five cups of Tina's High Octane Java ... that'll make 
> even a nun
> look scary 
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RE: SD to CF card adapter

[Shel Belinkoff]

Two things to consider: Does the D take CF Type II cards and does using the
adapter result in a degradation of the speed to which the SD card is
written. I don't know the answers but I have heard those questions raised
elsewhere.  

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Jens Bladt 

> My photodealer found this one for me. It seems that the adapter can
totally
> contain the SD card ?
> Does anyone have any experiences with this, please?
> If I can put the whole combo into my D, it means I will only need ONE type
> of card for my DSLR's?
> http://www.datafab.com/product/flash_card_adapter_compant_cfiisd.htm



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Re: PESO: Tree Swallows

[Jack Davis]

Bob,
Some really nice shots! Were "MOM"(extra nice), "LINE-UP", & "PERCHED"
all on one press of the shutter release?
Last shot (lower right) extra cute.

Jack

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> Here is another simple gallery on Picasa.
> It shows some of my first pictures last year from the *Ds.
> 
> These were taken as jpegs in June, 2005.
> I smile at the discussions about speeds and buffer sizes.
> I had no problems capturing these birds in flight.
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NestingTreeSwallows
> 
> Coments and criticisms is welcome.
> 
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SD to CF card adapter

[Jens Bladt]

My photodealer found this one for me. It seems that the adapter can totally
contain the SD card ?
Does anyone have any experiences with this, please?
If I can put the whole combo into my D, it means I will only need ONE type
of card for my DSLR's?
http://www.datafab.com/product/flash_card_adapter_compant_cfiisd.htm

Regards
Jens Bladt
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RE: New K bodies listed on B

[Bob W]

Great Circles. They're the answer.

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> Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B
> 
> I got a package from Hong Kong a week ago. It weighed about half a 
> kilogram -- cost $7.50. It didn't come across the Pacific but 
> over the 
> top of the world. Maybe there's something special about the Pacific
I 
> don't know?
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
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> >> Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B
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> >> Nope, Shel's accurate on this one, they come over by the 
> containerload 
> >> on ships. Considering the cost of air freight across the 
> Pacific is on 
> >> the order of $1000/lb for large quantities, Air freight is 
> certainly not 
> >> viable for anything cheaper than a Canon 1Ds or Hasselblad.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >> 
> >
> > No wonder those little (ahem) babies are so costly.  Got to 
> be about $5000 just to get a 1Ds across the Pacific.
> >
> >   
> >> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>> I think Shel was speaking metaphorically.
> >>> Paul
> >>> On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Powell Hargrave wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>   
> > B&H is listing them, as Shel pointed out. That means 
> they should be
> > available soon. Some may already be on ships.
> >  
> >
> >   
>  Do cameras move on ships these days?  I would think that 
> with the high
>  value and the speed of the market it would make air 
> cargo more likely.
> 
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Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 3, 2006, at 10:53 AM, mike wilson wrote:

> Or find a selling point (convenience seems to be the big one) that  
> allows you to present the development as something so innovative as  
> to be essential.  Put as much money as you can afford into  
> advertising.  Financial backers would laugh you out of the  
> boardroom if you showed up with an idea that was not promotable in  
> this way.  Pardon me, my scepticism is showing.

I would laugh you out of the boardroom if you couldn't show me how I  
could market your idea to a profitable product.

> I think that's where you and I differ substantially.  I don't  
> consider a desktop monitor to be high resolution.  I've looked at  
> systems costing nearly £5000 and they are nowhere near as good as a  
> well set up analogue system.

We'll differ.

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RE: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[Bob W]

Wendy,

Thanks for your reply. Good plasticky, or bad plasticky? It sounds
like bad to me. 

I have found a site which will send me some sample prints; I am also
going to send for some samples from the Epson site. Both sites will
also print samples from my files for me, so I will do that too to get
a reasonable comparison.

One of the pictures that I think might be good for a trial is this
one:
http://www.web-options.com/Saris.jpg
because it includes large areas of even tone, but with a lot of detail
and bright colour, plus shadow detail and subtle tones, rich blacks
and some highlights. 

What do others think of this as an example to evaluate the printers?
If it's not a good example, what features should be in a photo to get
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> I used to own an Olympus P-400 dye-sub printer which printed up to
A4
> I'd bought it to do on-site printing at trials. Paper and ribbons
were
> very expensive. Plus you had no choice but to buy the Olympus paper
> and ribbon. I could print glossy or matte, but that entailed
switching
> ribbons not the paper. It was also not very forgiving of dust. I
> frequently had to discard the first and sometines the second print
> because of dust.
> The prints out of it tended to have a more plasticky look to them.
> A friend recently showed me two photos she'd had taken by the
official
> photographer at a dog conformations show. Without even looking at
the
> back of the print I knew immediately that one of them had been
printed
> using a dye-sub on site. The difference was striking.
> 
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Re: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[brooksdj]

> I used to own an Olympus P-400 
dye-sub printer which printed up to A4
> I'd bought it to do on-site printing at trials. Paper and ribbons were
> very expensive. Plus you had no choice but to buy the Olympus paper
> and ribbon. I could print glossy or matte, but that entailed switching
> ribbons not the paper. It was also not very forgiving of dust. I
> frequently had to discard the first and sometines the second print
> because of dust.

That was my big concern. At the shows the dust was horrible and embeded just 
about 50% of
the shots.

Its ok in house if you give the paper a good dust off.

Its for sale BTW.:-)

> The prints out of it tended to have a more plasticky look to them.
> A friend recently showed me two photos she'd had taken by the official
> photographer at a dog conformations show. Without even looking at the
> back of the print I knew immediately that one of them had been printed
> using a dye-sub on site. The difference was striking.

I never noticed the "plastic" look until i compared some last year. Now i realy 
on my
trusty S800 Canon.

Dave
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Re: SD 512 memory card

[George Sinos]

Ann - I just bought an adaptor for about $20 that will let you put an
SD card into a CF slot.

It looks like a CF card with a slot that accepts the SD card.

I have a bunch of CF cards for the istD and all of my other cameras
take SD cards.  For $20, it seemed like a good idea.

See you later, gs


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>
> Is there any reason I'd want to keep this given my Canon
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>
> Can I use it as storage for anything that is on the hard
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> it in the card reader?
>
> I haven't gotten the card reader to work - don't know what
> I'm doing wrong
> and can never remember what i just did
>
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Re: test #10 still ignorable

[Mark Roberts]

mike wilson wrote:

>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>> Jostein Øksne wrote:
>> 
>> >On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > 
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> > It seems to have helped! :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks to Doug for passing them on too! :-)
>> >> >
>> >> Brownian motion generators do the trick every time...
>> >>
>> >Mike, you have a Heart Of Gold...:-)
>> 
>> I find that notion highly improbable.
>
>Is that your other head, Zaphod?

Don't try to out-weird me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you
free with my breakfast cereal!
 
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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[John Mullan]

I have a friend who is the radio officer on a container ship, it is 5 weeks 
for him to go from Oakland, CA to the Orient and return.  So ~2.5 weeks from 
loading to unloading stateside, and who knows how much longer to get into 
the stores. I imagine other ports have similar shipping times.

jm

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>
>>
>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 02:55:53 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B
>>
>> Note I said large quantities. Air freight operations typically use the
>> small packages to make up the rest of the load, very large shipments pay
>> almost the entire fuel cost.
>>
>> -Adam
>
> I still think you are two orders of magnitude out.  $1000/lb?  It would be 
> cheaper to buy seats on a passenger plane.
>
> M, 747s full of limited lenses.
>
>>
>>
>> Don Williams wrote:
>>
>> >I got a package from Hong Kong a week ago. It weighed about half a
>> >kilogram -- cost $7.50. It didn't come across the Pacific but over the
>> >top of the world. Maybe there's something special about the Pacific I
>> >don't know?
>> >
>> >Don
>> >
>> >
>> >mike wilson wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>>Date: 2006/07/02 Sun PM 11:51:09 GMT
>> >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> >>>Subject: Re: New K bodies listed on B
>> >>>
>> >>>Nope, Shel's accurate on this one, they come over by the containerload
>> >>>on ships. Considering the cost of air freight across the Pacific is on
>> >>>the order of $1000/lb for large quantities, Air freight is certainly 
>> >>>not
>> >>>viable for anything cheaper than a Canon 1Ds or Hasselblad.
>> >>>
>> >>>-Adam
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>No wonder those little (ahem) babies are so costly.  Got to be about 
>> >>$5000 just to get a 1Ds across the Pacific.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> I think Shel was speaking metaphorically.
>> Paul
>> On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Powell Hargrave wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >>B&H is listing them, as Shel pointed out. That means they should be
>> >>available soon. Some may already be on ships.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Do cameras move on ships these days?  I would think that with the 
>> >high
>> >value and the speed of the market it would make air cargo more 
>> >likely.
>> >
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Re: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers

[wendy beard]

> Bob W wrote
>
> A4 dye-sub printers seem to be at a reasonably affordable price point
> nowadays, compared to when I last bought a photo printer. What are the
> pros and cons of each type of printer? I am not particularly
> interested in buying a printer that does larger than A4 since I only
> rarely need a larger print.
>

I used to own an Olympus P-400 dye-sub printer which printed up to A4
I'd bought it to do on-site printing at trials. Paper and ribbons were
very expensive. Plus you had no choice but to buy the Olympus paper
and ribbon. I could print glossy or matte, but that entailed switching
ribbons not the paper. It was also not very forgiving of dust. I
frequently had to discard the first and sometines the second print
because of dust.
The prints out of it tended to have a more plasticky look to them.
A friend recently showed me two photos she'd had taken by the official
photographer at a dog conformations show. Without even looking at the
back of the print I knew immediately that one of them had been printed
using a dye-sub on site. The difference was striking.


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Re: Re: July PUG is open

[Jostein Øksne]

On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Only a guess from the exposure time.  Care to explain fully?
> I like the colours - looks like flowing paint.

The water lends it's colour from a pale November sky. It's spilling
over a dam where I stood underneath, shooting upwards.

http://pug.komkon.org/06jul/pugjul06j.html

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Re: Re: test #10 still ignorable

[Jostein Øksne]

On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 03:01:20 GMT
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Subject: Re: test #10 still ignorable
> >
> > Mike, you have a Heart Of Gold...:-)
> >
> >
> > Zaphod
>
> Actually, I have this terrible pain down my left side..8-((
>

Have you asked for replacements?

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Re: Irreverent review of PUG

[Jostein Øksne]

On 7/1/06, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curves - fluid in motion

Yup.

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Re: test #10 still ignorable

[Jostein Øksne]

I think that was the Prefect-being.
Or possibly the monkey man.
:-)

On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 03:51:25 GMT
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > Subject: Re: test #10 still ignorable
> >
> > Jostein Øksne wrote:
> >
> > >On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >
> > >> > On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > 
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks!
> > >> > It seems to have helped! :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks to Doug for passing them on too! :-)
> > >> >
> > >> Brownian motion generators do the trick every time...
> > >>
> > >Mike, you have a Heart Of Gold...:-)
> >
> > I find that notion highly improbable.
>
> Is that your other head, Zaphod?
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Re: PESO - Cave stuff

[Bob Sullivan]

Bruce,

Another one of those damned 'other' photos.
You should stop taking those and concentrate on the flowers,
leave something for the rest of us to shoot!  ;-)

Seriously, this is another great photo that I enjoyed looking at.
The level of work you are showing is consistently outstanding.
I wish that I could do half as well...
Regards,  Bob S.

On 7/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 7/2/2006 5:07:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Taken in Black Chasm Caverns - some ribbonlike stalactite formation.
>
>
> Pentax *istD, FA 50/1.4, Handheld
> ISO 3200, 1/45 sec @ f/5.6
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/blackchasm_0065a.htm
>
> Comments welcome
>
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> Nice one, Bruce. Good composition. Looks a little grainy because of the high
> ISO, but nice.
>
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RE: SD 512 memory card

[Shel Belinkoff]

Ann ...

I use various flash cards to xfer data between computers.  They make a nice
alternative to much lower capacity floppy disks.  The answer to your
question is, yes, you can put anything on it.  Might be nice to have if you
want to easily take a few images to a lab for printing instead of burning a
CD.

You didn't mention the speed of the card.  That might help someone decide
if they want it.  The price might be a little high regardless.  Fast 1GB
cards can be had for less than that these days.  For example, an 80X 1GB
card can be purchased here for less than $25.00, and a 150X 2GB card for
about $43.00.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Ann Sanfedele 

> I paid $40 for it 
>
> Is there any reason I'd want to keep this given my Canon
> takes CF cards?
>
> Can I use it as storage for anything that is on the hard
> drive by putting it in the card reader?
>
> I haven't gotten the card reader to work - don't know what
> I'm doing wrong and can never remember what i just did

> p.s. If someone wants the card for what I paid for it let me
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PESO: Tree Swallows

[Bob Sullivan]

Here is another simple gallery on Picasa.
It shows some of my first pictures last year from the *Ds.

These were taken as jpegs in June, 2005.
I smile at the discussions about speeds and buffer sizes.
I had no problems capturing these birds in flight.

http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NestingTreeSwallows

Coments and criticisms is welcome.

Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO: Salg

[Jack Davis]

Frustrating when a picture appears to slant more than it actually does,
but it's unavoidable at this crop.
If the curb were cropped off, a leveling tweak would take care of it.
Gotta say, if it has an "it", it escapes me.

Jack

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 7/2/2006 5:18:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Just playing around with the gallery at www.foto.no... Here is
> another 
> entry:
> 
> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bilder/vis_bilde.cgi?id=244960
> 
> This scene also intrigued me. Perhaps the picture itself needs some
> work?
> 
> - Toralf
> 
> Not sure why you like it. Well, it's pretty crooked, you could
> correct the 
> slant. Sorry, it doesn't do much for me.
> 
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Re: Two pics

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 6/30/2006 2:25:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 6/30/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 30/6/06, Vic MacBournie, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >http://homepage.mac.com/sonpix/Vicspics/PhotoAlbum61.html
>
> That fox is a stunning shot Vic. Absolutely gorgeous.
>

What he said.

Dave
=
Ditto. Although I think the grass looks a tad too PSed. There seems to be a 
slight halo around its body. I'd tone that down a bit.

But the fox is outstanding.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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SD 512 memory card

[Ann Sanfedele]

I paid $40 for it 

Is there any reason I'd want to keep this given my Canon
takes CF cards?

Can I use it as storage for anything that is on the hard
drive by putting
it in the card reader?

I haven't gotten the card reader to work - don't know what
I'm doing wrong
and can never remember what i just did

ann the easily perplexed


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Re: test #10 still ignorable

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 03:51:25 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: test #10 still ignorable
> 
> Jostein Øksne wrote:
> 
> >On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >
> >> > On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > 
> >> > > 
> >> > > 
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > It seems to have helped! :-)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to Doug for passing them on too! :-)
> >> >
> >> Brownian motion generators do the trick every time...
> >>
> >Mike, you have a Heart Of Gold...:-)
> 
> I find that notion highly improbable.

Is that your other head, Zaphod?


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Re: Peso A couple of flower pictures

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 6/25/2006 9:19:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> This is a Western Red Lily, otherwise known as a Prarie Lily.
> It's the Official Flower of Saskatchewan.
> I have been cultivating a couple of small patches of them for a few years.
>
> Anyway, it's one of the few flowers I've seen that looks great in full 
> sun.
> These were shot early this afternoon, using the FA200/4 Macro lens.
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/westred1.html
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/westred2.html
>
> Enjoy
>
> William Robb
===
Very nice! Is that the official bug too?

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Re: Re: July PUG is open

[mike wilson]

Only a guess from the exposure time.  Care to explain fully?  I like the 
colours - looks like flowing paint.
> 
> From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 04:23:01 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: July PUG is open
> 
> On 7/1/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As to guesses:
> >
> > Jostein: something flowing, or maybe the camera moving, is as far as I
> > can get.
> 
> Hm... This guy knows me... :-)
> Yes, it's something flowing. Water, even.
> 
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Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 03:24:36 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
> 
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 7:27 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> 
> > If the product I desire is not there, I cannot buy it.  Which is  
> > what I'm doing.  8-)  But if the industry doesn't know I'm doing  
> > that, it will never develop the product I desire.  I don't believe  
> > politicians when they tell me that they are doing what I asked them  
> > to, despite the evidence of my senses - I won't believe the  
> > photographic industry either.
> 
> How did the industry learn to produce the options they have in the  
> past? Because people wanted to buy them and let THEM know (not forums  
> like this one), to a small degree, but mostly because either they had  
> an idea, built it, and fished it out into the marketplace, saw money  
> get returned, or because their product marketing department  
> investigated the market for an idea and found there was adequate  
> interest to be worth a development project.

Or find a selling point (convenience seems to be the big one) that allows you 
to present the development as something so innovative as to be essential.  Put 
as much money as you can afford into advertising.  Financial backers would 
laugh you out of the boardroom if you showed up with an idea that was not 
promotable in this way.  Pardon me, my scepticism is showing. 

> 
> Very very few companies base product decisions on unfocused input  
> from people ranting like I see on this forum. If you want to  
> influence a company's product development folks:
> 
> - write a brief with some supporting data allowing
> analysis of market opportunity, cost and risk.
> - establish a relationship with influential folks in the product
> development groups, win them to your side.
> - expect that 98% of all such proposals will never make it
> past the first person's litter basket without extreme perseverance
> and patience on the part of the proposer.


Or, by the wonder of the internet, keep prodding on forums that you know the 
manufacturer or its agents frequents.  Probably the same chance of success but 
far easier.

> 
> >> - Slide vs print is irrelevant ... that's a matter of presentation  
> >> vehicle.
> > Except one is not yet available in similar quality.
> 
> What "one" is not yet available in "similar quality"?
> 
> Prints? That's bullshit.
> 
> I have a large number of traditional darkroom aficionados visiting my  
> work on exhibit right now. I have to inform them that not a single  
> sliver of silver-halide emulsion was harmed in the making of my show  
> pieces. What I'm hanging are 8x10 to 11x17 inch B&Ws in this show  
> printed right here on my desk with an Epson R2400. You need larger  
> sizes? No problem ... I had two prints made for a client last week,  
> 21x29 inch image dimension, printed on Epson R9800 machines at  
> Calypso Imaging. The quality is breathtaking.
> 
> Projection?
> 
> For home use, a 20-23" display screen is available sub-$800 nowadays  
> and easily surpasses a Kodak Carousel projector with standard lens  
> and the typical home projection screen for presentation quality.
> 
> Maybe not at the $500 home consumer price point, but there are  
> projectors of surpassing quality available right now. I set one up at  
> my contract client's office for presentations and video conferencing,  
> can't remember the brand off hand but it was about $3500 or so,  
> connects wirelessly to any computer system that you want to use as  
> the projection host. It produces a fantastic, color managed, very  
> high resolution projection image on par with the quality of a top  
> line 20 inch desktop monitor.

I think that's where you and I differ substantially.  I don't consider a 
desktop monitor to be high resolution.  I've looked at systems costing nearly 
£5000 and they are nowhere near as good as a well set up analogue system.

> 
> The options are out there. You have to be willing to pay for them if  
> you want them. Just like it's always been.
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Re: PESO: Salg

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/2/2006 5:18:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just playing around with the gallery at www.foto.no... Here is another 
entry:

http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bilder/vis_bilde.cgi?id=244960

This scene also intrigued me. Perhaps the picture itself needs some work?

- Toralf

Not sure why you like it. Well, it's pretty crooked, you could correct the 
slant. Sorry, it doesn't do much for me.

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Re: PESO Football

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/1/2006 2:29:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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A game of one half.

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3341/display/6051533
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Got me going on that one!

Hehehehehehehehe.

Marnie aka Doe  ;-)  It seems a pretty muted, you need to curves or something.

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Re: PESO: Breakfast in the Rain.

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/2/2006 12:41:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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Taken a few hours ago, a rather dark, drizzly, morning.

http://www.dsanderson.com/Breakfast.htm

A very slight increase to contrast and a bit of USM.
A little of the left and bottom cropped out.

Comments appreciated.

Don
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It's a nice pleasant, pastoral scene. But, sorry, the composition is either 
lacking or off to me.

Can't be more specific.

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RE: Help holding a 500mm f/4.5 lens

[Edson Maruyama]

Hi Paul, Lou... how's it going?
 
> You can probably get away with a monopod if you shoot high ISO digital 
> or high-speed film to give you a shutter speed of at least 1/750th or 
> so. Shoot wide open and focus carefully. With digital, you're looking 



Thanks, yeah... I'll keep you posted... probably the 'weight' gain is better 
than the 'stability'
loss... :)  and it's considerably  cheaper than a really sturdy tripod & 
kimberley head...


> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:05:00 -0400
> From: "Lou Billing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Help holding a 500mm f/4.5 lens
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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> Check out the Giottos P-pod. It's quite substantial and locks up tight
> enough to support your weight as a hiking staff. A fluid head with a round
> QR plate allows for fast vertical shooting. It has three steel rods that


Interesting indeed... I'll keep an eye on it for sure...
thanks!

Ed



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Re: Re: test #10 still ignorable

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 03:01:20 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: test #10 still ignorable
> 
> Mike, you have a Heart Of Gold...:-)
> 
> 
> Zaphod

Actually, I have this terrible pain down my left side..8-((

> 
> On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 12:17:04 GMT
> > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > > Subject: Re: test #10 still ignorable
> > >
> > > On 7/3/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > It seems to have helped! :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks to Doug for passing them on too! :-)
> > >
> > > Jostein, now gagless...
> >
> > Brownian motion generators do the trick every time...
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Re: PESO: Moon Over Bluff Mountain

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:25:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm
> Taken three years ago. Still one of my favorite mountain shots.
> 
I can see why... nice one!
but at first, the way the picture dithers, I'm saying "Moon?
what moon?" :)

ann squinting

Ann, get some reading glasses. Run down to the drug store. Dr. Dean Edell has 
a good brand.

Nice shot, Mark, lovely colors.

Marnie aka Doe   I always look at pics on PDML with reading glasses on.

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RE: PESO - Cave stuff

[Tom C]

Wonderful!



Tom C.






>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:06:15 -0700
>
>Taken in Black Chasm Caverns - some ribbonlike stalactite formation.
>
>
>Pentax *istD, FA 50/1.4, Handheld
>ISO 3200, 1/45 sec @ f/5.6
>
>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/blackchasm_0065a.htm
>
>Comments welcome
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Fwd: July PUG is open

[Jostein Øksne]

trying again now that things seem to work again. :-)


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Thanks for taking on the challenge to comment on the whole PUG, Keith.
Most impressive.

Thanks also for picking my shot as one of your personal favourites.
I will not disclose the exact circumstances around the shot just yet;
it would spoil the fun, wouldn't it? Suffice it to say that you are
pretty well off the mark...:-)

Cheers,
Jostein


On 7/1/06, Keith McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AvK wrote:
> > The July PUG is open.
> > It can be viewed at http://pug.komkon.org
> Thanks Adelheid!
>
> My personal picks for the month:
> Photo - Jostein; mystery - Wendy; interpretation - Sridhar.
>
> Comments...
>
> * Jostein: Curves in...
> I don't usually go for abstract but I like this one.
> Curtains blown by the wind?
>
> * Dave Brooks: Swirls.
> Interesting but I would like it a little sharper with more contrast.
>
> * Jens Bladt: Watersurface.
> Interesting effect but the highlights are a bit distracting.
>
> * Kenneth Waller: A very grainy image.
> I rather like the knots in this which make it a bit different.
> I'm not going to guess: What would I do with 100 pixels?
>
> * Ray Allen: A cliff face.
> Fun picture!
>
> * Cotty: Transparent Conundrum.
> I like the way this has been photographed: grey on grey.
> (What Mike said.)
>
> * Paul Stenquist: An easy one.
> Not sure about this one. Well shot but my eyes keep getting
> pulled to the bottom of the image.
>
> * Wendy Beard: No title.
> For me, one of the best "what is it?"
> Would never have guessed, despite it being "pretty obvious"!
>
> * Mark Roberts: CokeBus.
> Just can't make up my mind about this one.
>
> * Dan Matyola: Cave Canem.
> Interesting. A little soft?
>
> * Robert Gonzalez: What am eye?
> Nicely shot. Unusual colouring. Like it.
> (What Mike said.)
>
> * Me: Here.
> I'll neither confirm nor deny Mike's guess!
> I took several photos specifically for this theme but didn't like
> the way they came out, so used a crop from an earlier photograph
> instead.
>
> * Casaletti Leonardo: Fly.
> Nicely captured and an unusual bug. Whites are perhaps a bit blown.
>
> * Thrainn Vigfusson: Who's head is it anyway?
> Fun! I like it.
>
> * Joseph Tainter: Mystery to me.
> Sharp and I like the pose. It's not static "bird on a stick"
> because it's attentive and about to do something.
>
> * Patrick Rendulic: Minnie.
> Sorry...but I don't like cats! Any opinion I expressed would be
> irretrievably biased. 8-)
>
> * Boris Liberman: Common Language.
> BW makes it a bit more mysterious.
> I think Mike's got it.
>
> * Bob Sullivan: In Costume.
> Before I read Bob's comment my thought was that the mystery was
> "What is the mystery?" (Having worn a similar funny get-up on one
> occasion.) Nice capture.
>
> * Henk Terhell: Flight of the Soul.
> Interesting idea. I rather like it.
>
> * Bruce Dayton: Ready.
> Very nicely shot!
>
> * Gainfranco Irlanda: A Car?
> Interesting as an object but the image is a little static.
> Perhaps another angle?
>
> * Sridhar Gibikote: What's that?
> I like the "atmosphere" and light of this photograph. The
> water-line is, however, perhaps a bit too central. Perhaps it
> would be better from a little further away with the people a
> little higher and slightly further to the left.
> It's a very clever interpretation of the theme, however.
>
> * Harald Rust: Epiphyte.
> I like this. I think it is a rather tricky subject but this one
> is nicely posed. A bit green and soft perhaps.
>
> * Jan van Wijk: Cornflower with Bee.
> Nicly captured and appealing colours. If it's cropped, I would,
> perhaps, have put the bee a bit higher and to the left.
>
> * John Forbes: Watchers.
> This could actually go under the theme in the same way as
> Sridhar's: What are they watching? Not sure what I think about
> this one.
>
> Keith McG
>
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Re: PESO: A strong one (maybe)

[Edson Maruyama]

Hey Dario! how's it going?

> > Pretty good photo, not sure if it's just a "web" problem, but it's hard to 
> > read the banner...
> 
> That's due to rather weak handwriting on a brown cardboard, lit by warm 
> light. My tries to make it more readable gave so-so results. I have to try 
> it harder.


Yeah, that's tough when the lights are dim... and if you do use a fast lens, 
you'll end up with a
narrow DoF  :(

> > Yeah, it's sad to see that people get so used to see "poverty" that no one 
> > cares anymore...
> 
> As I wrote in my reply to Shel, passers-by did not care until I sat in front 
> of the couple. Then most of them continued to ignore, while some of them 
> stopped, curiously looking at me. A small crowd was developing: too much for 
> me.

:)

> a telephoto so that the "background" is kind of flattened...
> 
> I was sitting, with my back against a step of a staircase. In order to do 
> what you suggest, I had to dismantle a marble stairway :-)


Hmmm, guess hammering it down would wake them up, eh?  nice call... :)
 
> > Good luck on the World Cup quest! :)
> 
> :-)
> 
> > Ed, hoping Brazil will make it!
> 
> Sorry, Brazil is out, and I think they quite deserved that.
> 
> Dario 
> 

No kiddin'... you're right... :(  unfortunately they've never really got into 
the game... maybe
they thought "Being a star is enough..."  

arrivederci!
Ed

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Re: PESO- My typical Paul

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In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:02:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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Yes, I did focus on the guitar. It felt right in this instance. Didn't 
have a lot of time to think about it. Just went with my gut instinct. I 
prefer the other as well. I've shot a lot of pics like this. Tight 
isn't always better.
Paul
On Jul 2, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> I think the first one shows more personality.  On this one, the focus
> seems to be just forward of his face.  It renders the guitar sharper
> and his face just a little softer.  Was that your intentions?
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
===
Yes, ditto. Like the other one better. He pops in that, in this one the 
background is also a bit distracting, the white stuff. 

Environmental shots sometimes have more impact, anyway.

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Re: PESO - Cave stuff

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/2/2006 5:07:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Taken in Black Chasm Caverns - some ribbonlike stalactite formation.


Pentax *istD, FA 50/1.4, Handheld
ISO 3200, 1/45 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/blackchasm_0065a.htm

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Nice one, Bruce. Good composition. Looks a little grainy because of the high 
ISO, but nice.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: July PUG is open

[Jostein Øksne]

On 7/1/06, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As to guesses:
>
> Jostein: something flowing, or maybe the camera moving, is as far as I
> can get.

Hm... This guy knows me... :-)
Yes, it's something flowing. Water, even.

Jostein

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Re: Only In Estonia: For dogs or not for dogs?

[Bruce Dayton]

Very funny!  We have one here in Nevada.  There is a sign in the
middle of this valley that says "Independence Valley" - right
underneath it is a sign that says "Warning - Prison Area" - I have a
shot of it somewhere, just can't locate it right now.

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Monday, July 3, 2006, 7:56:58 AM, you wrote:

R> Sometimes signs you find in beach area are so fun. First, yellow sign
R> says "swimming area for dogs" and green exclaims no entry for dogs. Any
R> other examples of municipal stupidity in your city?

R> http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060703174659

R> ;-)
R> P.S. Blog this time.

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Re: PESO- The Other Paul

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In a message dated 7/2/2006 3:52:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a friend named Paul Miles. He's a blues singer who performs 
regularly at various venues in Southeast Michigan. He's quite good and 
is well respected in the blues community. I've shot him many times, and 
a photo of mine served as the cover for one of his CDs: "Blues Avenue." 
I ran across him this morning at a farmer's market in Birmingham, 
Michigan. He saw me coming, and said, "Here comes the other Paul." I 
shot a dozen or so pics that are similar to others I've taken of him: 
tight, waste up, mouth in motion. But this time I walked away and shot 
him again in the environment. I kind of like it. I think Paul -- the 
other Paul -- will like it as well. It's here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4633790&size=lg
===
Nice shot. And what I've noticed happens at farmer's markets here -- no one 
pays attention to the musicians. Oh, they listen, but they too busy shopping to 
pay attention. Nice shot.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: New K bodies listed on B

[Jostein Øksne]

> > Don Williams wrote:
> >
> > >I got a package from Hong Kong a week ago. It weighed about half a
> > >kilogram -- cost $7.50. It didn't come across the Pacific but over the
> > >top of the world. Maybe there's something special about the Pacific I
> > >don't know?
> > >
> > >Don

There's something special about the pacific that you do know...:-)
The date line.
If the cost is similar, they can ship across the continent and save a day.

Jostein

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Re: PESO - Cave stuff

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks Roman.  We were with a tour of about 25 people, so it was not
as quiet as it should have been.  There were moments when everyone was
quiet and then, the cave felt a bit eery.  The air flow and
temperature were certainly different than being on the surface.

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Monday, July 3, 2006, 7:17:01 AM, you wrote:

R> Very, very interesting stalactite formation and I love the lighting.
R> Partially past through the stalactite, partially reflections on its
R> surface.

R> Just love it, I bet its quiet down there in that cave.


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SV: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera

[Jens Bladt]

You just don't get it do you?
I'm not uncritical - so I spend loads of time editing, which IMO is
necassary if you shoot digital and want high quality results. Too much time,
actually.
I'll bet you do too.

Jens Bladt
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On 3/7/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I use film whenever high resolution or high speed is called for. I use
>digital for everything else.

Then you must be 'rather uncritical', and 'have a lot of time on your
hands'  !!!

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