Re: popphoto.com k10D
Tom C wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... I can't figure out what you mean. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D Buffer Size/Speed
Wo-hoo! 12 RAW shots at 3 FPS. JPEG's at 3FPS: The card is the limit! Tha'ts what I want! Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Shel Belinkoff Sendt: 12. september 2006 20:57 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: K10D Buffer Size/Speed 12 RAW @ 3fps ... might that indicate a bigger or faster buffer? If so, then maybe the camera will take advantage of faster SD cards, like 120X or greater. Might be worth checking out before buying cards. Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a happy Pentaxian: Dual exposure wheels, ISO 100, Hyper Program mode, and up to 12 RAW at 3fps. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 09/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 09/12/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Power Zoom: Available or not?
I certainly can't disagree with that. But you gotta admit that there's nothing (well, very few things) cooler than engaging the power zoom, racking the lens all the way out, focusing on something close, and then shutting the camera off just to watch the lens retract. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! What you describe is a significant part of my past (as a child), playing with father's Z-10 and FA28-80/3.5-4.7 :D -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ...
On 9/14/06 12:51 AM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since they claim and extra stop in SR over the K100D maybe that's where the extra stop is coming from. According to a Japanese article, extra stop comes from more robust magnet/coil over K100D's and the improved SR algorithm. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Raw+Jpg Modes
Sure you can. RAW+JPEG, with the RAW option set to DNG (not to PEF). On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:31:39PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Doesn't look like you can shoot DNG + JPEG though ... or did I miss that? Shel [Original Message] From: Adam Maas Maybe I'm being dense, but can someone explain to me what's the difference between the simultaneous RAW+Jpeg recording and just extracting the full sized jpeg from the RAW file? I've been doing this for a couple of years now. I use the jpeg for reviewing, quick dirty edits for emailing to family and friends. Cheers, Dave Less hassle, available immediately (no extraction needed), full quality. Makes RAW files smaller if full-res JPEG no longer included. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Power Zoom: Available or not?
On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 08:27:01PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Now this is interesting... Look at this official pentax page, http://www.pentaxslr.com/bodies/k10 and you'll find these words: Power zoom function not available Now scroll down to the bottom of the same page and download the official PDF promotional document (http://www.pentaxslr.com/pdf/K10D_Specs.pdf) and open it. There you'll read this: Power zoom function - Available On the DP Review Pentax forum JohnCPentax, from Golden, Colorado, says the power zoom *is* functional with Power Zoom lenses, but that the special Power Zoom functions like image tracking, etc. are not. -- That's what I expected (and predicted, come to that, a few days ago). With power contacts there, it would have been extra work to prevent the basic power zoom from working. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) Godfrey Yeah, and their destination is a blizzard on the river Styx. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
Nor can Tom. Pentax have just produced the most exciting camera for years (from any manufacturer), and Tom is struggling to find something negative to say. But he'll be back on form soon enough, I'm sure. And in due course he'll buy one, and then won't stop telling people how good Pentax cameras are, and how he always liked them, and never lost faith, blah, blah, blah. It was ever thus. John On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:55:55 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom C wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... I can't figure out what you mean. Godfrey -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Power Zoom: Available or not?
On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 06:12:53PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 13, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Look at this official pentax page, http://www.pentaxslr.com/bodies/ k10 and you'll find these words: Power zoom function not available Now scroll down to the bottom of the same page and download the official PDF promotional document (http://www.pentaxslr.com/pdf/K10D_Specs.pdf) and open it. There you'll read this: Power zoom function - Available On the DP Review Pentax forum JohnCPentax, from Golden, Colorado, says the power zoom *is* functional with Power Zoom lenses, but that the special Power Zoom functions like image tracking, etc. are not. Amusing but, honestly, I have never found power zoom and all that business to be of any use at all. I've had several fixed-lens cameras that had it and it was always in my way, I turned off all tracking and wish I'd been able to turn off power zoom functions. I much prefer a zoom control that operates precisely, manually, when I want to use a zoom lens. And that's what you get, if you so choose, with a power zoom lens. Just as the focus ring of a FA* lens has two positions - one for manual focus, one for auto focus - the zoom ring of a power zoom lens can be set either as a standard two-touch manual zoom, or as a spring-loaded switch to select one of three powered zoom speeds. Personally I found power zoom at the lowest speed to be at least as precise as manual zoom, and appreciated the fact that I could also choose to zoom over the full range of a lens with only a small amount of hand movement. I wouldn't be all that upset if Power Zoom had been dropped - after all, I've been managing without it for the last three years - but as it's there I expect I'll use it again. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Ranunculus
On Sep 14, 2006, at 1:25 AM, Jack Davis wrote: David, I see no real need for cropping. If anything, I might try tightening it into a square, just to take a look. Think I'd clone/darken lower left corner and, maybe, lighten the buds. They really don't contribute to the image. BTW, I like it. Thanks for the suggestions. I have a print of a near-identical photo (taken on neg film) which my partner cropped tight and put into a square frame. With this one, I like the stalk bud on the right so I'd be hesitant to crop it by much. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Ranunculus
On Sep 13, 2006, at 11:27 PM, Jan van Wijk wrote: I thought about cropping a bit off the left due to the bright bits but I was in too much of a hurry to decide exactly how much to crop. Upto where the green vertical 'band' is ? (crop off about 15% or so) Yeah something like that. Just enough to get rid of the two bright parts on the left. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ...
On 13/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: While I generally agree, I found the Pentax DSLR's to produce very film-like results at high ISO's. The Canon and Nikon's are more objectionable (Although my D50 is extremely clean at 800). And for those who don't find it objectionable: http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare6.html ISO 1600 from a RAW file. I've lightened the detail pic to illustrate noise better. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
On 14/9/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: Nor can Tom. Pentax have just produced the most exciting camera for years (from any manufacturer), and Tom is struggling to find something negative to say. But he'll be back on form soon enough, I'm sure. And in due course he'll buy one, and then won't stop telling people how good Pentax cameras are, and how he always liked them, and never lost faith, blah, blah, blah. It was ever thus. What I'm looking forward to is all the U-turns on proprietary battery usage. I never really liked AA's anyway, Yeah they were too fiddly, I burned all mine in a symbolic gesture ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: istDS Noise @ ISO 3200 - again
Shel, I have a feeling that a firmware upgrade may have helped, with the early versions of the D at least. Soon after getting the camera I took some shots in available dark at 3200 which turned out very noisy - not unusable but definitely not what I wanted! The next day, having forgotten that I'd left the ISO set to 3200, I shot some landscapes, which were Ok but definitely looked grainy. However, more recently I deliberately shot at the top ISO and was very pleasantly surprised at the results- definitely useable. More technically-minded PDML-ers will no doubt tell me if that were possible! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: istDS Noise @ ISO 3200 - again Whoops! Forgot the URL There were some comments about how noisy ISO 3200 is with the Pentax DSLR's. Here's a large section from a photo I took last month @ Godders' reception. It shows Marnie looking at her Optio. I made no adjustments to the image other than to correct the white balance. The image is just how it came from the RAW converter in Photoshop CS. All I did was crop a section of it for upload. It's a large file - 900 kb. How's the noise? http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/IMGP4540-sect.jpg Here's the tech - EXIF info Lens SMCP-A 50/1.4 @ f/2.8, 1/20 sec handheld Model - PENTAX *ist DS Orientation - Top left XResolution - 330 YResolution - 330 ResolutionUnit - Inch Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows DateTime - 2006:09:08 14:27:06 ExifOffset - 220 ExposureTime - 1/20 seconds FNumber - 2.80 ExposureProgram - Aperture priority ISOSpeedRatings - 3200 DateTimeOriginal - 2006:08:19 20:27:53 ShutterSpeedValue - 1/20 seconds ApertureValue - F 2.80 ExposureBiasValue - 0.70 MeteringMode - Center weighted average Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode ColorSpace - sRGB ExifImageWidth - 1000 ExifImageHeight - 800 Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ...
I quit like that don't find it objectionable at all. Sometimes I forget how good a snapper you are. :-) Dave At 03:18 PM 14/09/2006, you wrote: On 13/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: While I generally agree, I found the Pentax DSLR's to produce very film-like results at high ISO's. The Canon and Nikon's are more objectionable (Although my D50 is extremely clean at 800). And for those who don't find it objectionable: http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare6.html ISO 1600 from a RAW file. I've lightened the detail pic to illustrate noise better. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO- Grace Does Lunch
Nice shot Paul! On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:30:47 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: In a rather dark corner of a restaurant. DA 12/24, f6.7 @ 1 second, ISO 400. Camera resting on the table. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4936130size=lg Like the lighting, very natural ... The motion blurr (mostly the eyes) is distracting though. Perhaps ISO 1600 and 1/4 sec would have cured that ? Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/14 Thu AM 12:06:19 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: popphoto.com k10D On 14/09/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... Let's see if they can manage the supply chain first ;-) K100D is out of stock in the UK's biggest retailer. 2-3 weeks delivery time. Canons and Nikons featured on the website's front page. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Two questions about lenses sigma and 645
Ivan, Just remember that 645 will give you stop-down metering on K-mount...:-) I believe most of the 645 lenses are excellent performers on digital. I have used *istD with the A*-300/4, and like it very much. I have also used the A*-300/4 extensively with the FA-75/2.8 reversed, for extreme macro photographing, and with excellent results. A note of caution, though. The 645 lenses are heavy. The A*300/4 does not have a tripod mount, and feels like a bit too much for the K-bayonet. When mounted to a tripod, there is vibration. My solution has been to use a long-lens cradle like this one from Manfrotto (link to BH): http://tinyurl.com/hrrgg or: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlis tA=detailsQ=sku=126662is=REGaddedTr oughType=categoryNavigation Jostein On 9/14/06, Ivan Shukster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two questions about lenses 1) On Monday night at the local photo club meeting there had been a box of goodies someone donated to the club (we do not know who) besides chemicals and 5 67 mm polaorizing filters and 5 flashes there was also a 28 mm 2.8 Sigma H.L. Wide lens in Pentax mount and maybe even more valuable a Pentax 49mm lens cap. Has anyone used this particular lens adn any comments on it? 2)How good are 645 lenses on a SLR or DSLR. I may have access to a 300mm lens and is it worth buying an adapter for just one lens? I will be testing the 28mm this weekend. It seems like ages since I have used any of my Pentaxs and I hope it is a while before I even think about a new one (like the K10D). But only because of the other equipment I have. The K10D sounds great. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
On 14/09/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) More info: http://www.nemeng.com/leica/004f.shtml It's a bit of a little piggy compared to a regular M. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Patrick Genovese wrote: Check out Phil's preview on this page at the very bottom: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page9.asp There is a setting : Using aperture ring 1: Prohibited 2: Permitted Does this mean we can use the aperture ring in the traditional way ? i.e. that Pentax have brought back the aperture simulator ? Sans voir, no. All the current models require a function to be set so as to enable the cludge. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Does this mean what I think it means?
I think push processing is a very good analogy. You can't strictly speaking change the ISO on a digital camera - the sensor has a fixed sensitivity. ... ... at a specified voltage input/output level. If you change the voltage levels, you are changing the response curve and thus the ISO. Changing ISO is not the same as multiplying the pixel values from a sensor with a fixed voltage level, which is basically what the exposure compensation slider in a RAW converter does unless the programmer who designed it includes additional processing of differential values. But doesn't the ISO setting in the camera amplify the voltages after the data is read from the sensor? I really can't see how this is different from multiplying the pixel values. Or it's different, as in one case you multiply the values before they are converted to digital, in the other after - but in principle there's not much difference, and the final image quality ought to be the same. Unless the A/D that chops off real data in the low end when the gain is 1 (i.e. when the max value of the A/D matches saturation of the sensor), but I gather that it doesn't. The theoretical extra bits that get thrown away, are assumed to contain only random variation caused by noise. Also, ISO for a digital sensor is apparently defined in terms of signal-to-noise ratio, and that obviously doesn't change when you multiply the signal. - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
Check out Phil's preview on this page at the very bottom: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page9.asp There is a setting : Using aperture ring 1: Prohibited 2: Permitted Does this mean we can use the aperture ring in the traditional way ? i.e. that Pentax have brought back the aperture simulator ? Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, mike wilson wrote: From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/14 Thu AM 12:06:19 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: popphoto.com k10D On 14/09/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... Let's see if they can manage the supply chain first ;-) K100D is out of stock in the UK's biggest retailer. 2-3 weeks delivery time. Canons and Nikons featured on the website's front page. Intro2020 and (ultimately) Pentax UK are the cause of that, rest assured. It took Pentax 6 years to come up with a useful wireless flash and we still cannot get the bastard in the UK unless we import it ourselves. Hands up if you think the K10D will be under 900 quid when it arrives. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ...
On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a snapper you are. You can simulate my aperture any time you like. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/14 Thu AM 09:31:39 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring Check out Phil's preview on this page at the very bottom: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page9.asp There is a setting : Using aperture ring 1: Prohibited 2: Permitted Does this mean we can use the aperture ring in the traditional way ? i.e. that Pentax have brought back the aperture simulator ? No. It doesn't even categorically state that you can use the aperture ring on pre-A lenses. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D available at Amazon (pre-order)
ryan brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For fun, I added it to my cart and got a much earlier delivery date. Such as? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ...
The temptation. But I wouldn't do that. From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a slapper you are. You can stimulate my aperture any time you like. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ...
On 9/14/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The temptation. But I wouldn't do that. Since when? Go for it ;-) From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a slapper you are. You can stimulate my aperture any time you like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
:-( On 9/14/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/14 Thu AM 09:31:39 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring Check out Phil's preview on this page at the very bottom: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page9.asp There is a setting : Using aperture ring 1: Prohibited 2: Permitted Does this mean we can use the aperture ring in the traditional way ? i.e. that Pentax have brought back the aperture simulator ? No. It doesn't even categorically state that you can use the aperture ring on pre-A lenses. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D ISO 3200 is Available ...
On 9/14/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/9/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Sometimes I forget how good a snapper you are. You can simulate my aperture any time you like. Good thing I just finished my drink... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: istDS Noise @ ISO 3200 - again
It's excellent. The Pentax only gets noisy when the image is underexposed at high ISO. I think users frequently try for 1600 when they really need 3200, hence the reputation for noise. But I too have found that my *istD is remarkably free of noise at high ISO. I expect even better performance from the 10D, despite the higher resolution. Paul On Sep 13, 2006, at 11:21 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Whoops! Forgot the URL There were some comments about how noisy ISO 3200 is with the Pentax DSLR's. Here's a large section from a photo I took last month @ Godders' reception. It shows Marnie looking at her Optio. I made no adjustments to the image other than to correct the white balance. The image is just how it came from the RAW converter in Photoshop CS. All I did was crop a section of it for upload. It's a large file - 900 kb. How's the noise? http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/IMGP4540-sect.jpg Here's the tech - EXIF info Lens SMCP-A 50/1.4 @ f/2.8, 1/20 sec handheld Model - PENTAX *ist DS Orientation - Top left XResolution - 330 YResolution - 330 ResolutionUnit - Inch Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows DateTime - 2006:09:08 14:27:06 ExifOffset - 220 ExposureTime - 1/20 seconds FNumber - 2.80 ExposureProgram - Aperture priority ISOSpeedRatings - 3200 DateTimeOriginal - 2006:08:19 20:27:53 ShutterSpeedValue - 1/20 seconds ApertureValue - F 2.80 ExposureBiasValue - 0.70 MeteringMode - Center weighted average Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode ColorSpace - sRGB ExifImageWidth - 1000 ExifImageHeight - 800 Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
I still don't know what an aperture simulator is, but the earlier D-series cameras had the same menu setting, and many of us have been using lenses with aperture rings all along. Shel [Original Message] From: Patrick Genovese http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page9.asp There is a setting : Using aperture ring 1: Prohibited 2: Permitted Does this mean we can use the aperture ring in the traditional way ? i.e. that Pentax have brought back the aperture simulator ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: advice regarding lens
Yes, but some of the press release material has specifically mentioned the green button. In general, the layout of this camera is closer to that of the D than to the DL or DS. On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:31 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote: thanks davedidn't some of the other cameras use the ae-l button for the same purpose? regards, subash On 9/14/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: another query. seeing the dpreview preview of the k10d, which says, The K10D has a KAF2 bayonet lens mount which can take lenses with a KAF2, KAF or KA mount lenses, it also provides an option to use the lens aperture ring, would the K lenses be compatible with the K10D. Yes, but you have to use stop down metering. Because K M lenses don't have an setting A on the aperture ring the current line of bodes don't have the aperture stimulator lever thingy, there is no communication between the body and the lens as to what the lenses aperture is set to. The way Pentax have got around this is to use the green button. When you need to take a meter reading with a K or M lens you press this button and the camera stops down the lens takes the reading. It sounds awkward, but isn't that much of a hassel. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D has auto image rotation
That's why I sold mine several weeks ago. Paul On Sep 14, 2006, at 1:48 AM, Thibouille wrote: The *ist D is officially for sale... CW Oh yours as well? They'll get difficult to sell IMO ^^ Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
In the midst of everyone's positive reaction, Tom is desperately grasping for something negative. :-) On Sep 14, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Tom C wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... I can't figure out what you mean. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
No, he'll buy one and then complain endlessly about some imagined shortcoming.:-). But that's what makes life on the PDML so entertaining. Paul On Sep 14, 2006, at 2:57 AM, John Forbes wrote: Nor can Tom. Pentax have just produced the most exciting camera for years (from any manufacturer), and Tom is struggling to find something negative to say. But he'll be back on form soon enough, I'm sure. And in due course he'll buy one, and then won't stop telling people how good Pentax cameras are, and how he always liked them, and never lost faith, blah, blah, blah. It was ever thus. John On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:55:55 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom C wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... I can't figure out what you mean. Godfrey -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
No. On Sep 14, 2006, at 5:31 AM, Patrick Genovese wrote: Check out Phil's preview on this page at the very bottom: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page9.asp There is a setting : Using aperture ring 1: Prohibited 2: Permitted Does this mean we can use the aperture ring in the traditional way ? i.e. that Pentax have brought back the aperture simulator ? Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO- Grace Does Lunch
Thanks Jan. On Sep 14, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Jan van Wijk wrote: Nice shot Paul! On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:30:47 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: In a rather dark corner of a restaurant. DA 12/24, f6.7 @ 1 second, ISO 400. Camera resting on the table. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4936130size=lg Like the lighting, very natural ... The motion blurr (mostly the eyes) is distracting though. Perhaps ISO 1600 and 1/4 sec would have cured that ? Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: istDS Noise @ ISO 3200 - again
If you check the EXIF info, you'll see that the exposure was +0.70 I'm sure that, had I been shooting more to the left the noise would have been quite bad. I've had good results in many situations @ 1600 and 3200, but, as Godders mentioned in another message here, underexposure will make the image, especially at higher ISO settings, quite noisy. I suspect quite a number of people treat their DSLR exposures as though they were shooting slide film - exposing for the highlights. That often causes under or marginal exposure in other parts of the image, and generates more noise. I think when using RAW you've sometimes got to expose a little differently. Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist It's excellent. The Pentax only gets noisy when the image is underexposed at high ISO. I think users frequently try for 1600 when they really need 3200, hence the reputation for noise. But I too have found that my *istD is remarkably free of noise at high ISO. I expect even better performance from the 10D, despite the higher resolution. Shel Belinkoff wrote: There were some comments about how noisy ISO 3200 is with the Pentax DSLR's. Here's a large section from a photo I took last month @ Godders' reception. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/IMGP4540-sect.jpg Lens SMCP-A 50/1.4 @ f/2.8, 1/20 sec handheld Model - PENTAX *ist DS Orientation - Top left XResolution - 330 YResolution - 330 ResolutionUnit - Inch Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows DateTime - 2006:09:08 14:27:06 ExifOffset - 220 ExposureTime - 1/20 seconds FNumber - 2.80 ExposureProgram - Aperture priority ISOSpeedRatings - 3200 DateTimeOriginal - 2006:08:19 20:27:53 ShutterSpeedValue - 1/20 seconds ApertureValue - F 2.80 ExposureBiasValue - 0.70 MeteringMode - Center weighted average Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode ColorSpace - sRGB ExifImageWidth - 1000 ExifImageHeight - 800 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/14 Thu AM 09:47:00 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: popphoto.com k10D On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, mike wilson wrote: From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/14 Thu AM 12:06:19 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: popphoto.com k10D On 14/09/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... Let's see if they can manage the supply chain first ;-) K100D is out of stock in the UK's biggest retailer. 2-3 weeks delivery time. Canons and Nikons featured on the website's front page. Intro2020 and (ultimately) Pentax UK are the cause of that, rest assured. It took Pentax 6 years to come up with a useful wireless flash and we still cannot get the bastard in the UK unless we import it ourselves. Hands up if you think the K10D will be under 900 quid when it arrives. Ha! If I wanted one I would be buying it from America, for the same price as a K100D lens here. My vote is for 999.99 - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - ISO 800...but only because I had to
After stating that I don't like the noise you get with higher ISOs, I ended up shooting a few shots at ISO 800 this afternoon. I'm thrilled that I got a bee in flight with the manual focus macro. Anyway, I've done what I can with this noise wise. I'm really pleased with the capture, but not happy with the noise. Any suggestions on ways I can improve the noise in PP? I use Photoshop CS2 and used the reduce noise filter as well as despeckle. http://tinyurl.com/zhmkq Cheers James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K 30/2.8 the poor mans FA 31/1.8
Hi folks, I am thinking about buying a 'normal' prime lens for my istD. One obvious choice might be the much praised FA 31/1.8. It's quite expensive however. I have the chance to one of those old K 30/2.8-lenses for a good price, but ... Is the FA 31 worth saving and waiting for? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
Have a look here Shel: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Misc_014.html The circled lever is the aperture simulator on my LX. This is how the body knows what the lens aperture is set to. The lever and the associated electronics are what is missing from all the DSLR's is why we have the green button kludge. The lower picture shows the lever on my M50mm f1.7. In this shot it's set at f22, but it's position changes depending on the set f stop. Cheers, Dave On 9/14/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't know what an aperture simulator is, but the earlier D-series cameras had the same menu setting, and many of us have been using lenses with aperture rings all along. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:23:48 +0200 schreef Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I still don't know what an aperture simulator is, With pre-A lenses, the lens determines how much it is stopped down. In order to measure exposure wide open, the body must know how much the lens will stop down from wide open during the exposure. The aperture simulator (Bojidar calls it the stop-down coupler) is the body-half of a set of two connecting pins (the one on the lens is called the stop-down indicator) made to transmit this information. With lenses in A-mode, the body determines how much the lens is stopped down, so the two pins are not needed. Hope this helps, for a more comprehensive explanantion, read the pages on the K-mount evolution on the KMP. -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
OK, thanks. I think someone explained this before, but I didn't get it. Now I understand. Shel [Original Message] From: Lucas Rijnders schreef Shel Belinkoff I still don't know what an aperture simulator is, With pre-A lenses, the lens determines how much it is stopped down. In order to measure exposure wide open, the body must know how much the lens will stop down from wide open during the exposure. The aperture simulator (Bojidar calls it the stop-down coupler) is the body-half of a set of two connecting pins (the one on the lens is called the stop-down indicator) made to transmit this information. With lenses in A-mode, the body determines how much the lens is stopped down, so the two pins are not needed. Hope this helps, for a more comprehensive explanantion, read the pages on the K-mount evolution on the KMP. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K 30/2.8 the poor mans FA 31/1.8
Peter Smekal wrote: Hi folks, I am thinking about buying a 'normal' prime lens for my istD. One obvious choice might be the much praised FA 31/1.8. It's quite expensive however. I have the chance to one of those old K 30/2.8-lenses for a good price, but ... Is the FA 31 worth saving and waiting for? You might consider the FA 28 mm. 2.8 It is almost the same focal length, and it makes an excellent wide-to-normal lens on my DS. The FA 35 mm. 2.0 is slightly better, optically speaking, and faster; and it is also a lens worth having. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - ISO 800...but only because I had to
Thanks mate, I'll have a look at those. James - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: PESO - ISO 800...but only because I had to Not bad James. WRT noise reduction software have a look at Noise Ninja: http://www.picturecode.com/ or Neat Image (The demo version doesn't but lines through your picture like NN does): http://www.neatimage.com/ Both come in stand alone or plug-in versions Cheers, Dave On 9/14/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After stating that I don't like the noise you get with higher ISOs, I ended up shooting a few shots at ISO 800 this afternoon. I'm thrilled that I got a bee in flight with the manual focus macro. Anyway, I've done what I can with this noise wise. I'm really pleased with the capture, but not happy with the noise. Any suggestions on ways I can improve the noise in PP? I use Photoshop CS2 and used the reduce noise filter as well as despeckle. http://tinyurl.com/zhmkq -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
The istDL doesn't have a green button, so I've found that I have to use the DOF preview lever to stop down the lens to get the right exposure settings in M mode. It works but is not quick or convenient. James - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring Have a look here Shel: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Misc_014.html The circled lever is the aperture simulator on my LX. This is how the body knows what the lens aperture is set to. The lever and the associated electronics are what is missing from all the DSLR's is why we have the green button kludge. The lower picture shows the lever on my M50mm f1.7. In this shot it's set at f22, but it's position changes depending on the set f stop. Cheers, Dave On 9/14/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't know what an aperture simulator is, but the earlier D-series cameras had the same menu setting, and many of us have been using lenses with aperture rings all along. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - ISO 800...but only because I had to
Not bad James. WRT noise reduction software have a look at Noise Ninja: http://www.picturecode.com/ or Neat Image (The demo version doesn't but lines through your picture like NN does): http://www.neatimage.com/ Both come in stand alone or plug-in versions Cheers, Dave On 9/14/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After stating that I don't like the noise you get with higher ISOs, I ended up shooting a few shots at ISO 800 this afternoon. I'm thrilled that I got a bee in flight with the manual focus macro. Anyway, I've done what I can with this noise wise. I'm really pleased with the capture, but not happy with the noise. Any suggestions on ways I can improve the noise in PP? I use Photoshop CS2 and used the reduce noise filter as well as despeckle. http://tinyurl.com/zhmkq -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO- Grace Does Lunch
I find the left eye distracting. But putting it aside, it's a cute scene. Dave On 9/14/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a rather dark corner of a restaurant. DA 12/24, f6.7 @ 1 second, ISO 400. Camera resting on the table. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4936130size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
Thanks, Dave ... between your pics and explanation, and Lucas's explanation, I finally got it. I knew all along how the lens/body thing worked on older lenses, but the term aperture simulator threw me. I never knew what it was called. Hard to believe, eh ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Misc_014.html The circled lever is the aperture simulator on my LX. This is how the body knows what the lens aperture is set to. The lever and the associated electronics are what is missing from all the DSLR's is why we have the green button kludge. The lower picture shows the lever on my M50mm f1.7. In this shot it's set at f22, but it's position changes depending on the set f stop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:12:13 +0200 schreef David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Have a look here Shel: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Misc_014.html The circled lever is the aperture simulator on my LX. This is how the body knows what the lens aperture is set to. The lever and the associated electronics are what is missing from all the DSLR's is why we have the green button kludge. The lower picture shows the lever on my M50mm f1.7. In this shot it's set at f22, but it's position changes depending on the set f stop. I think you picture the diafragm release and the diafragm actuator (nine o'clock position in the mount, right?). Those are the pins responsible for actually stopping the lens down at exposure time, and definately still there in the digital bodies and lenses. The missing ones are at the two o'clock position when facing the camera. Does not invalidate the explanation, though :o) On 9/14/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't know what an aperture simulator is, but the earlier D-series cameras had the same menu setting, and many of us have been using lenses with aperture rings all along. -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
J and K Messervy wrote: The istDL doesn't have a green button, so I've found that I have to use the DOF preview lever to stop down the lens to get the right exposure settings in M mode. It works but is not quick or convenient. You can also use the AE-L button, it does the same than the green button on the *ist D. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: istDS Noise @ ISO 3200 - again
John, The less light there is, the worse the noise will be. In available dark, even 400 will be noisy, while 3200 si acceptable with enough light. -Adam John Coyle wrote: Shel, I have a feeling that a firmware upgrade may have helped, with the early versions of the D at least. Soon after getting the camera I took some shots in available dark at 3200 which turned out very noisy - not unusable but definitely not what I wanted! The next day, having forgotten that I'd left the ISO set to 3200, I shot some landscapes, which were Ok but definitely looked grainy. However, more recently I deliberately shot at the top ISO and was very pleasantly surprised at the results- definitely useable. More technically-minded PDML-ers will no doubt tell me if that were possible! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: istDS Noise @ ISO 3200 - again Whoops! Forgot the URL There were some comments about how noisy ISO 3200 is with the Pentax DSLR's. Here's a large section from a photo I took last month @ Godders' reception. It shows Marnie looking at her Optio. I made no adjustments to the image other than to correct the white balance. The image is just how it came from the RAW converter in Photoshop CS. All I did was crop a section of it for upload. It's a large file - 900 kb. How's the noise? http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/IMGP4540-sect.jpg Here's the tech - EXIF info Lens SMCP-A 50/1.4 @ f/2.8, 1/20 sec handheld Model - PENTAX *ist DS Orientation - Top left XResolution - 330 YResolution - 330 ResolutionUnit - Inch Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows DateTime - 2006:09:08 14:27:06 ExifOffset - 220 ExposureTime - 1/20 seconds FNumber - 2.80 ExposureProgram - Aperture priority ISOSpeedRatings - 3200 DateTimeOriginal - 2006:08:19 20:27:53 ShutterSpeedValue - 1/20 seconds ApertureValue - F 2.80 ExposureBiasValue - 0.70 MeteringMode - Center weighted average Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode ColorSpace - sRGB ExifImageWidth - 1000 ExifImageHeight - 800 Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
Cotty wrote: On 14/9/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: Nor can Tom. Pentax have just produced the most exciting camera for years (from any manufacturer), and Tom is struggling to find something negative to say. But he'll be back on form soon enough, I'm sure. And in due course he'll buy one, and then won't stop telling people how good Pentax cameras are, and how he always liked them, and never lost faith, blah, blah, blah. It was ever thus. What I'm looking forward to is all the U-turns on proprietary battery usage. I never really liked AA's anyway, Yeah they were too fiddly, I burned all mine in a symbolic gesture ;-) Godders and I have been doing that already. But we both own cameras which go each way already. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
On Sep 14, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: I think you picture the diafragm release and the diafragm actuator (nine o'clock position in the mount, right?). Those are the pins responsible for actually stopping the lens down at exposure time, and definately still there in the digital bodies and lenses. The missing ones are at the two o'clock position when facing the camera. Does not invalidate the explanation, though :o) Correct. David has shown the wrong pins/levers. Right idea, wrong pics. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: advice regarding lens
Sample to sample variation occurs. But the Pentax 50mm 1.7 1.8's have always been up there with the best. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Adam Maas wrote: Compared to what? Every fast 50 I've ever used is soft wide open. The examples of the 1.7 I've seen is among the sharpest 50's, even wide open. Maybe a Summicron is sharper wide open, but precious little else is. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Even the 1.7 is a bit soft wide open compared to some of the competition , but ultimate sharpness isn't everything after all. Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: Like all Pentax normal lenses they're a bit soft wide open, (still Not true for the 1.7. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K 30/2.8 the poor mans FA 31/1.8
At 07:58 AM 9/14/2006, you wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:08:26 +0200 From: Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: K 30/2.8 the poor mans FA 31/1.8 To: pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks, I am thinking about buying a 'normal' prime lens for my istD. One obvious choice might be the much praised FA 31/1.8. It's quite expensive however. I have the chance to one of those old K 30/2.8-lenses for a good price, but ... Is the FA 31 worth saving and waiting for? Like many I find the K30/2.8 to be worth more than it is priced. My other lens of choice on digital i the A35/2. After that is the FA50/1.4. I'd like to shoot with a 31/1.8 just to compare the results with reality. (Anyone got one I can borrow/rent for a couple of weeks?) Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://www.brendemuehl.net http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Does this mean what I think it means?
Basically, all pushing, or pulling, is is moving the exposure up and down the sensometric curve and adjusting the contrast with processing. RAW converter seems to do about the same thing. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Paul Stenquist wrote: Push/pull processing is extremely limited. With most film, it's relatively ineffective and quickly causes degradation. Paul On Sep 13, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like ISO adjustment in post is possible with RAW files. That would be an earth-shaking capability. -Adam Except that I can do that everyday with film; push/pull processing. My earth ain't really shakin over here yet. -Brendan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: advice regarding lens
hi, i just got myself a K 50/ f 1.2 in very good, almost mint condition, with a hoya 52 mm excel 1b filter thrown in for slightly less than the equivalent of US$ 110. :)) once again, my thanks to everyone who responded to my query... regards, subash On 9/14/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sample to sample variation occurs. But the Pentax 50mm 1.7 1.8's have always been up there with the best. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and Lenses with Aperture Ring
Fuck! Sorry about that. It's been updated. Dave (doesn't know his arse from his elbow) S. On 9/14/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:12:13 +0200 schreef David Savage http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Misc_014.html I think you picture the diafragm release and the diafragm actuator (nine o'clock position in the mount, right?). Those are the pins responsible for actually stopping the lens down at exposure time, and definately still there in the digital bodies and lenses. The missing ones are at the two o'clock position when facing the camera. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Anyone know what happened to Peter from sunny Brighton
He got me and istD before they were available outside Japan last time, and was looking to get in touch again (for obvious reasons) but he doesn't seem to post on then list anymore and his email says he is away until march 2007. Is he off travelling or something? Cheers Rob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Green button and ergonomics.
I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and ergonomics. I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the new body? From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be just me, and my habits. Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the trigger. What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup body. So much for great ergonomics. Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Recommendation for telezoom?
Folks, I have a friend who looks for a cheap telezoom for his film-based Pentax. I haven't paid attention to this part of the lens lineup for years, so I need some help in finding the right recommendations. Do you have any suggestions? I guess he would like a few so that he can make a trade-off decision between wallet and quality...:-) Will be very grateful for input. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Power Zoom: Available or not?
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 13, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Look at this official pentax page, http://www.pentaxslr.com/bodies/ k10 and you'll find these words: Power zoom function not available Now scroll down to the bottom of the same page and download the official PDF promotional document (http://www.pentaxslr.com/pdf/K10D_Specs.pdf) and open it. There you'll read this: Power zoom function - Available On the DP Review Pentax forum JohnCPentax, from Golden, Colorado, says the power zoom *is* functional with Power Zoom lenses, but that the special Power Zoom functions like image tracking, etc. are not. Amusing but, honestly, I have never found power zoom and all that business to be of any use at all. I've had several fixed-lens cameras that had it and it was always in my way, I turned off all tracking and wish I'd been able to turn off power zoom functions. I much prefer a zoom control that operates precisely, manually, when I want to use a zoom lens. Same here. I've never used Power Zoom ever. I think they just enabled it since the power contacts were present for USM lenses anyway. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: advice regarding lens
On 14/9/06, Subash Jeyan, discombobulated, unleashed: i just got myself a K 50/ f 1.2 in very good, almost mint condition, with a hoya 52 mm excel 1b filter thrown in for slightly less than the equivalent of US$ 110. :)) once again, my thanks to everyone who responded to my query... Well done Subash. That's a nice lens. On a Pentax DSLR it will be great for available light portraits, concerts, reportage. You know you can get one in Canon fit? Only one though ;-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/k50ineos.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Anyone know what happened to Peter from sunny Brighton
On 14/9/06, Rob Brigham, discombobulated, unleashed: He got me and istD before they were available outside Japan last time, and was looking to get in touch again (for obvious reasons) but he doesn't seem to post on then list anymore and his email says he is away until march 2007. Is he off travelling or something? The last email I had from him must be about a year ago and IIRC he may well be in Japan for a while. I could be wrong. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
The K10D may be all I'll ever 'need', but, like Tom, I'd still like to see Pentax continue to build on this upgrade and the new level of respect it will likely realize. Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nor can Tom. Pentax have just produced the most exciting camera for years (from any manufacturer), and Tom is struggling to find something negative to say. But he'll be back on form soon enough, I'm sure. And in due course he'll buy one, and then won't stop telling people how good Pentax cameras are, and how he always liked them, and never lost faith, blah, blah, blah. It was ever thus. John On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:55:55 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom C wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... I can't figure out what you mean. Godfrey -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Recommendation for telezoom?
I've got a cheap Sigma 75-300mm f4.5-5.6 that I used to use with my Z-20 they can have cheap. It's a piece of junk so I can't really recommend it. Dave On 9/14/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I have a friend who looks for a cheap telezoom for his film-based Pentax. I haven't paid attention to this part of the lens lineup for years, so I need some help in finding the right recommendations. Do you have any suggestions? I guess he would like a few so that he can make a trade-off decision between wallet and quality...:-) Will be very grateful for input. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
This is a small camera but still takes 2 card formats. Is xD compatible with SD? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Recommendation for telezoom?
So far I'm pleased with my Tamron 28-300 Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:06 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Recommendation for telezoom? I've got a cheap Sigma 75-300mm f4.5-5.6 that I used to use with my Z-20 they can have cheap. It's a piece of junk so I can't really recommend it. Dave On 9/14/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I have a friend who looks for a cheap telezoom for his film-based Pentax. I haven't paid attention to this part of the lens lineup for years, so I need some help in finding the right recommendations. Do you have any suggestions? I guess he would like a few so that he can make a trade-off decision between wallet and quality...:-) Will be very grateful for input. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D preview on DP Review
About anytime shooting jpegs, shooting raw it is moot, as you can easily change it during conversion. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Shel Belinkoff wrote: I've never seen the need for that with any of the photography I do. Under what circumstances would it be good to have a preview of the WB adjustment? When shooting JPEG? Shel [Original Message] From: Adam Maas Yeah, the WB adjustment looks to be killer. The ability to take a preview shot and see live WB adjustments? Brilliant! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
On the road
I have an appointment with my urologist at Duke tomorrow, so we're leaving this evening and spending the night. The hotel has internet access so I'm taking the computer and hoping it is wireless since I don't have a proper cable for hard wiring. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
That's a really small camera. I can feel my hands cramping up just looking at it. Dave On 9/14/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a small camera but still takes 2 card formats. Is xD compatible with SD? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Recommendation for telezoom?
Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:38:08 +0200 schreef Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Folks, I have a friend who looks for a cheap telezoom for his film-based Pentax. I haven't paid attention to this part of the lens lineup for years, so I need some help in finding the right recommendations. Do you have any suggestions? I guess he would like a few so that he can make a trade-off decision between wallet and quality...:-) Will be very grateful for input. New or second hand? Which film body? New there is just the FA J 75-300/4-5.6, which doesn't have a great reputation, and is a FA J, wich might lead to compatibility problems. The FA 80-200/4.7-5.6, FA 80-320/4-5.6 and FA 100-300/4.7-5.8 have been in production until recently, so they may still be available new. Second hand the F70-210/4-5.6 is the most popular, at about $100,-. I used to have the FA70-20/4-5.6 powerzoom which is not that much worse and, sadly, sells for much less... Oh, and in manual focus there are the A70-210/4 and the Vivitar series 1 70-210/3.5. Both should be great for little money. Hope this helps, -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
No, xd is much smaller than a sd. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:59 AM To: pentax list Subject: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF This is a small camera but still takes 2 card formats. Is xD compatible with SD? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 9/14/06 9:17 AM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re memory cards, Oly are stuck with the proprietary xD and if anything comes with only xD, the sales would be doomed. So they really have no choice for the dual format. Re the size, this should be what the 4/3 should have been. It does look too small, but the compact size has its own place in the market. All other 4/3, be it the body or the lenses, there is no size/weight advantage over the competitions, except the sensor size is small. Oly are an excellent company, one of the traditional camera/precision device mfrs like Pentax and Nikon. Hope they survive (in camera biz). And I too am surprised that Oly US is not taking this model up, according to Phill's remark. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 14/9/06, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed: No, xd is much smaller than a sd. Thanks Bill -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 9/14/06 9:03 AM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a really small camera. I can feel my hands cramping up just looking at it. Dave On 9/14/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a small camera but still takes 2 card formats. Is xD compatible with SD? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp Re memory cards, Oly are stuck with the proprietary xD and if anything comes with only xD, the sales would be doomed. So they really have no choice for the dual format. Re the size, this should be what the 4/3 should have been. It does look too small, but the compact size has its own place in the market. All other 4/3, be it the body or the lenses, there is no size/weight advantage over the competitions, except the sensor size is small. Oly are an excellent company, one of the traditional camera/precision device mfrs like Pentax and Nikon. Hope they survive (in camera biz). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 14/09/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a really small camera. Pentax will be poohing themselves, who wears the crown now. LOL -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Does this mean what I think it means?
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/PentaxK10D/Images/Captures/TV2006090616253900-01.jpg This shot which illustrates the in camera RAW processing does indeed suggest setting ISO after the event? Or are they just misleading by using ISO in the display to mean brightness in general? Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: 13 September 2006 21:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Does this mean what I think it means? What program allows ISO changes during RAW conversion? Exposure yes, ISO no. -Adam Dario Bonazza wrote: ISO setting during PC conversion is common stuff. ISO seting during in-camera conversion is what they claim. Dario - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Does this mean what I think it means? Toralf Lund wrote: From the Pentax France Page: Le traitement interne des fichiers RAW permet d'agir sur la taille, la compression, la balance des blancs, le réglage des ISO (Pentax est le seul), le ton de l'image, la saturation, la netteté et le contraste. via Babelfish: The internal treatment of files RAW makes it possible to act on the size, compression, the balance of the white, the adjustment of the ISO (Pentax is only), the tone of the image, saturation, clearness and contrast. It sounds like ISO adjustment in post is possible with RAW files. That would be an earth-shaking capability. Really? I've always been thinking that since the lower few bits in current high-ISO shots is essentially just noise, you might get output of the same quality by shooting at a lower ISO (and under-exposing), then multiplying up the pixels from the RAW file... But what this sound like to me (who doesn't speak much French, either), is merely that details on the ISO setting that already was applied, will be stored in the tags of the file. (And maybe ISO adjustment will be a somewhat more complex operation in this camera?) - Toralf However, that would not be a 'Pentax Only' feature, which they are claiming. ISO adjustment in post would be. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 9/14/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/09/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a really small camera. Pentax will be poohing themselves, who wears the crown now. LOL Oly. can have it as far as I'm concerned. I find the D without grip too small. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
Nope, only Oly and Fuji use them that I know of. They also have not gotten cheap. Consider XD cards as being semi-proprietary. The C-5050Z was the first Oly to use the dual card setup. I still like mine. interestingly it will do about 90% of what I need/want a camera to do. The K10D looks like it would do about 95%. By comparison the MXen can do 98%, and the other 2% would require rather specialized equipment anyway. Somehow that other 5% seems awful expensive. Both the C-5050Z and the K10D are far too complicated in my opinion. Still, digital is darn convenient. Iffen I had the money I would buy a K10D anyway. BTW, I wonder when they will stop putting a D on the names? -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Cotty wrote: This is a small camera but still takes 2 card formats. Is xD compatible with SD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 14.09.2006, at 15:21 , Digital Image Studio wrote: Pentax will be poohing themselves, who wears the crown now. LOL At least until Optio-S-sized K1000D comes ;-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
Cotty wrote: This is a small camera but still takes 2 card formats. Is xD compatible with SD? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp All the recent Oly 4/3rds bodies take both. But it's certainly true that this is the first really small DSLR to do so. Bloody small, no North American release (Kinda surprising, with people over here actually complaining about the size of the XT). Old-fashioned layout too, much like a P-series Pentax. However, I suspect the high-ISO noise will be even worse than the older Oly's, unless Oly has finally figured out Noise Reduction. 10MP in the 4/3rds bitty sensor can't have good noise characteristics. All in all, I'd much rather have the K100D than this little body. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:43:13 +0200 schreef graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A K1000D is an obvious step. At PMA, when the K100 gets the 10Mp chip :o) -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
A K1000D is an obvious step. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Paul Stenquist wrote: On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Tom C wrote: Now, if they can just avoid downgrading it more than twice and concentrate on being forward looking... Tom C. Huh? There are already two other lower-spec K models. I would expect that any additional K10 models will be distinct upgrades. The *ist cameras were obviously a special case, dictated by having to lead with a nice camera and, subsequently, rapidly changing technology. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:03:26 +0200 schreef David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's a really small camera. I can feel my hands cramping up just looking at it. Huh? It's about the size of the M-, A-, or MZ-series, which is fine in my book. That K10, on the other hand, comes close to a Z-1. Definately on the large side... Either Pentax has given up on 'small', and concentrates on features now, or they have their work cut out for them for the K200 or K1000... I do wonder how they made the E-400 so light: at 380 grams it's much less than the K100. The size difference is not so large. -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Does this mean what I think it means?
On 14/09/06, Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/PentaxK10D/Images/Captures/TV2006090616253900-01.jpg This shot which illustrates the in camera RAW processing does indeed suggest setting ISO after the event? Or are they just misleading by using ISO in the display to mean brightness in general? Yes, it's a bit confusing. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 9/14/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:03:26 +0200 schreef David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's a really small camera. I can feel my hands cramping up just looking at it. Huh? It's about the size of the M-, A-, or MZ-series Yeah. Too small for me to hold comfortably. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: popphoto.com k10D
On 9/14/06 9:43 AM, graywolf, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A K1000D is an obvious step. And there already are some talks in Japan of K1D to be launched in 2007. At this point, I of course have to regard it as rumours/speculations. But when Pentax reasonably complete their FDA line of lenses with SDM (or whatever they call it) . K series naming certainly suggests that K1D is Pentax's flagship (K100D entry level, K10D mid level).K1000D is also a good name :-). Well, for now, have to save up for K10D and coming 2.8 lenses. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
On 14/09/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the D without grip too small. I definitely wouldn't be fazed to own a larger camera, even 5D sized at this stage though the M8 does look tempting ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
David Savage wrote: On 9/14/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:03:26 +0200 schreef David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's a really small camera. I can feel my hands cramping up just looking at it. Huh? It's about the size of the M-, A-, or MZ-series Yeah. Too small for me to hold comfortably. Dave Ditto. Need to get the winder for my MX, it's really a bit too small. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PDML Mini-FAQ Link
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
More K10D tech details
237 RAW (PEF or DNG) files to a 4GB card The most likely sensor, matches most of the published camera specs plus pads visually match: http://www.sony.co.jp/Products/SC-HP/cx_pal/vol69/pdf/icx493aqa.pdf And it appears to utilize dual Nucore ADCs -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Tim Øsleby wrote: I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and ergonomics. I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the new body? From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be just me, and my habits. Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the trigger. What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup body. So much for great ergonomics. Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Single-wheel cameras always have differing user interfaces from dual-wheel cameras, this is a fact of life. At least we aren't dealing with 3 UI's like Canon and Nikon users (Single-wheel, Dual-wheel and Pro bodies all have differing interfaces from the Big Two). I've generally found that the current crop of single-wheel cameras are more compromised in their interface than the dual-wheel bodies, although Pentax got the Green Button location right this time, the D had a horrid location for it (If you use a handstrap, you couldn't reach the green button). I really don't mind the location on the K10D, it keeps both methods of metering with MF lenses right next to each other (DoF Preview and Green Button) and allows the AE Lock to be used solely for what it's intended for. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
Hands-on review here http://www.digit.no/wip4/detail.epl?id=98892 Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 14. september 2006 14:59 To: pentax list Subject: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF This is a small camera but still takes 2 card formats. Is xD compatible with SD? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06091401olympuse400.asp -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - new Oly takes xD and CF
For Cotty and anyone else who wants to know the reletive sizes of CF, SD, and XD cards a QD snapshot: http://www.graywolfphoto.com/digital/_images/Cards.jpg -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Anyone know what happened to Peter from sunny Brighton
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/14 Thu PM 12:34:19 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Anyone know what happened to Peter from sunny Brighton He got me and istD before they were available outside Japan last time, and was looking to get in touch again (for obvious reasons) but he doesn't seem to post on then list anymore and his email says he is away until march 2007. Is he off travelling or something? Home page is still up. http://www.camera-direct.com./default.asp His wife is Japanese. I think. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
