Re: PESO - spider from the window
On Oct 8, 2006, at 18:58, Bruce Dayton wrote: Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider. Not too bad with the circumstances. Handholding with that a short of DOF is quite difficult. Way cooler than mine - all web and NO spider - but I kinda like mine anyways, if you don't mind peeking here: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_Photos/pages/page_64.html It was a lot harder than I thought it would be to photograph this web -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? Give it up will you? Locked exposure settings is manual By any standard. If you have to push a button everytime to Get the correct exposure its not AUTOmatic. Your playing The semantics game not me... My understanding (semantics) is that when in an automatic exposure mode, the camera will set one exposure parameter to compensate for the other one being adjusted by the user. The implementation on the PSLR cameras is that the user sets the aperture setting, and then pushes a button once. The camera then sets the shutter speed itself. I see what you are getting at that the user having to push a button means that the exposure is now manual, but the routine is closer to automatic than manual, since the camera is still doing all the exposure calculation. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation. Its a Totally different story. Canon went to a new mount for TECHNICAL IMPROVEMENTS. Pentax has not gone to a new mount at all for any technical Gain. Its pure LOSS. No progress. Get it? We didn't give up something To get something in exchange, we just lost features of damn nice lenses For ZERO technical reason or improvement. There were some pretty mad Canon users, no matter why the mount changed. And those old FD lenses have pretty much been rendered obsolete. The old Pentax lenses can still take fine pictures on modern equipment. Life is too short to wear too tight underwear all the time. If you really want to shoot with a DSLR using your old Pentax lenses, then pick up a Pentax DSLR and take pictures. Lots of people do that very thing. If you don't want to use a DSLR with your old Pentax glass, then don't. I doubt if anyone is going to come to your house and hold a gun to your head to force it upon you. This forum is probably the worst place for you to vent your spleen all over the issue. If Pentax does, in fact, read what we whine about, then what they are reading is one guy all pissfaced about compatability, a couple of guys who agree, but got on with life, and a whole bunch of users who consider it a non issue. Every time it comes up, that it is a non issue gets reinforced again. In other words, you are not helping your own cause, or the cause of the people who would like reinstatement of the aperture simulator, but aren't losing their minds about it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2 Any one on the list have any experience with this feature in PS CS2? Care to share your experiences - good/bad, suggestions. I'm going to try some of this in the coming week on images I intend to capture this week in the U. P. of Michigan. Thanks in advance I've found it works like a hot damn. Just use the autobracket when shooting, and give a fairly wide range between exposures. It won't work with 16 bit files, unfortunately. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harvest Moon
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon Shel, What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like. Put a picture up and we'll tell you where your are failing. Is that why we have PESO's? So we can frighten people off? What lurker is gonna put something out in this friendly forum? I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with your critique. Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it would be immediately panned. This is what I imagine the Leica list is like. Post your picture and we will tell you why it isn't good enough. Wow, I wish we were the old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and friendly advice. I don't feel that spirit in your comments. Respectfully, I disagree, I have had my share of offlist abuse tossed at me because I practice disagreement. For the most part, pictures posted to the list are greeted with oohs and aahs. Much nicer than any moon pic I have ever shot. Intriguing, dramatic. Excellent work IMO. Nice shot and an especially good conversion to BW... With the occassional constructive critisism: Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider. Not too bad with the circumstances. Handholding with that a short of DOF is quite difficult. Nice work That stops just short of a circle jerk. This is just not healthy. My mother taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, then say nothing. Is that what is expected? How can a person learn if they don't get told what they are doing wrong by their peers? If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out. If a person's work is developing a boring sameness, they should be told they are developing a genre unto themselves, to perhaps snap them out of the rut they are getting into. If a picture is technically perfect, but esthetically boring, should that go unstated? If you put a picture out there, and solicit comments, then take the good with the bad. It's not just about pleasing oneself, and just because oneself is pleased with a picture doesn't automatically make it a good picture. Shooting broadsides at a picture may be unkind, shooting broadsides at someone who had made an honest effort to critique a photo, whether or not the critique is nice, is unfair. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Original Message - From: Vic MacBournie Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? - Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new lenses... I may be wrong, but if you weren't forward thinking enough to get your non-AI Nikkor lenses modified, then you are pretty much hooped with Nikon digital as well. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others, seem to see this as a plus. It clearly isn't and it's hard to understand the attitude. Some people are nuts about it however, JCO even attacks people who support his argument on occasion. I certainly don't see it as a plus. I recall calling the istD a crippled whore because of K/M compatability. I decided, after being told by a couple of knowledgable people that the aperture simulator was gone, to get on with life and accept reality. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- Half a web...
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:28:33 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not sure if I like this shot, I'm not sure why I'm posting it, I'm not sure what anyones reaction will be... http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_halfaweb.html Hmm, the web itself is not bad, but the background is rather distracting with those huge extreme light/dark areas ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harvest Moon
Hi Shel, Well put! I found that others very often see minor or major flaws in your images that you overlook yourself, and find criticism very helpful in (slowly :-) getting better images ... Regards, JvW On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:52:16 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: As for me, a good, straight criticism, well thought out, is worth far more than a gratuitous pat on the back, or a comment that has no substance. We all need atta boys, but not to the extent that it supports mediocrity. We are here to learn, and to stretch our vision and our skills. How can anyone do that without honest comments from the others on the list, comments that aren't always complimentary. Of course, those comments are only opinions, but they are also ideas that may get others thinking about their next shot. -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PTTL flash metering
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006, Thibouille wrote: I know it uses the same system as without flash (wihch is why there is a preflash) but is it influenced by the choice between spot/CW/Matrix ? Can I shoot spot with flash? I also wondered about this. But then I realize AE-L is not supported in current implementation. So there is very little point of using spot, as it requires the spot you are interested in right at the center of the photo :-) -- --Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence -- --Tungsten T3 Enhanced DIA KeyboardNokia Ringtone Convertor-- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Ghostless Coating (was: D-Xenogon 35)
It's a variation of SMC, differently tuned for increasing light transmission at different wawelengths than SMC. It is used on some inner elements where reflections would lead to ghost images. You cannot use ghostless everywhere to replace smc, since you'd get a color cast on the lens, but when used where needed, it gives you further freedom from ghost images compared to using smc alone. It was developed by Pentax to supply a detection system capable to read front car plates at night (hence with front lights straight into the camera). Pentax was the only manufacturer capable to succeed in such a hard task. Then, Ghostless coating was also used on camera lenses for some inner elements of star lenses in early nineties (I think the FA* 85/1,4 the FA* 28-70/2.8, FA* 80-200/2.8 and so on). I've been told that by a Pentax designer several years ago. Dario - Original Message - From: Margus Männik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: Re: D-Xenogon 35 OK, can anyone explain more closely what is Ghostless Coating? Further development of SMC or just a marketing hype? BR, Margus Steve Jolly wrote: SMC was revolutionary 30-odd years ago, but these days anyone with the right software and a basic understanding of optics can design high performance multi-layer optical coatings. SMC is just a brand. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photokina visit (was: Re: K10 samples)
OK, now I understand. When you changed your planned visit, I was already unsubscribed and driving to Cologne, hence I couldn't know. Dario - Original Message - From: Jan van Wijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Photokina visit (was: Re: K10 samples) Hi Dario, On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:41:50 +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote: I was at Pentax booth to meet you the day and time planned (sep. 28 at 14:00), for about 45 minutes, but couldn't find you. Ah, there is the mixup then, I was there on Wednesday the 27th, at the Pentax booth a few times, including 14:00 for an hour. You must have missed or misread my final travel plans ... Never mind, would have been nice to meet you in person though. (stil have your nice Pentax poster hanging next to my equipment :-) Overwhelming amount of information to be had at photokina. We did just a dozen or so stands proper, and briefly browsed over a few more. I am sure we did see much less than half of what was out there :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
No K or M lens owner sees this as a plus. It is a pity Pentax dropped it. But we don't own or run Pentax. One of the advantages of growing up and becoming an adult is that one learns to take the rough with the smooth, and live with things one can't change. This is a process that JCO has somehow missed out on. Unless he really is only 14 years old, in which case in about seven years time we can look forward to a post from him on a different topic. Until then, he will continue to function as a boil on the collective PDML backside. John On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 03:15:28 +0100, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others, seem to see this as a plus. It clearly isn't and it's hard to understand the attitude. Some people are nuts about it however, JCO even attacks people who support his argument on occasion. Paul Stenquist wrote: There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The rest of us don't give a damn. Paul On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were happy about it not being there. Especially since it seems to be a purely marketing decision. John Forbes wrote: On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want the feature very much and I am Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to. Really? Rubbish! John -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 300*F4.5
On 09.10.2006, at 07:32 , John Francis wrote: Just rumour, at present. We won't know for sure until we see a DA* lens on the shelves (probably around March next year). It is possible we will know that by the end of this year when more detailed info about new lenses is expected. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Who's losing their minds? Not me. I want a better pentax Product and would be willing to pay enough for them to PROFIT on it. Secondly, this is pentax discuss, not pentax kiss-ass. I don't understand why there's anything wrong about Stating likes and dislikes and desires from Pentax. If they can implement Image stabilization in a $500 Camera they certainly can implement a simple cam sensor In their flagship at $1K jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation. Its a Totally different story. Canon went to a new mount for TECHNICAL IMPROVEMENTS. Pentax has not gone to a new mount at all for any technical Gain. Its pure LOSS. No progress. Get it? We didn't give up something To get something in exchange, we just lost features of damn nice lenses For ZERO technical reason or improvement. There were some pretty mad Canon users, no matter why the mount changed. And those old FD lenses have pretty much been rendered obsolete. The old Pentax lenses can still take fine pictures on modern equipment. Life is too short to wear too tight underwear all the time. If you really want to shoot with a DSLR using your old Pentax lenses, then pick up a Pentax DSLR and take pictures. Lots of people do that very thing. If you don't want to use a DSLR with your old Pentax glass, then don't. I doubt if anyone is going to come to your house and hold a gun to your head to force it upon you. This forum is probably the worst place for you to vent your spleen all over the issue. If Pentax does, in fact, read what we whine about, then what they are reading is one guy all pissfaced about compatability, a couple of guys who agree, but got on with life, and a whole bunch of users who consider it a non issue. Every time it comes up, that it is a non issue gets reinforced again. In other words, you are not helping your own cause, or the cause of the people who would like reinstatement of the aperture simulator, but aren't losing their minds about it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Spotmatics the camera did the metering calculation Too, it told you where to set the shutter dial via A match needle. That's what metering is. Just because The DSLRs set the speed for you one time doesn't make It AE because with AE you can change aperture setting And lighting ( shoot all day ) and still get corrected exposures Without having to repeatedly push buttons to update The shutter speed setting. This is getting old and Once again you are trying to somehow justify what Cant be justified just to argue. What the DSLRs do Is like AE LOCK, not AE which is a BTG difference. I want both. And I want it open aperture, not stop Down. If you don't care that's you, but don't pretend It's the same thing, that's absurd. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:43 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? Give it up will you? Locked exposure settings is manual By any standard. If you have to push a button everytime to Get the correct exposure its not AUTOmatic. Your playing The semantics game not me... My understanding (semantics) is that when in an automatic exposure mode, the camera will set one exposure parameter to compensate for the other one being adjusted by the user. The implementation on the PSLR cameras is that the user sets the aperture setting, and then pushes a button once. The camera then sets the shutter speed itself. I see what you are getting at that the user having to push a button means that the exposure is now manual, but the routine is closer to automatic than manual, since the camera is still doing all the exposure calculation. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2
Hi Kenneth, On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:14:42 -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote: Any one on the list have any experience with this feature in PS CS2? Care to share your experiences - good/bad, suggestions. Just started experimenting with this feature about two weeks back, shooting an indoor scene with a light-bulb in it :-) It does work reasonably well, but I found it hard to get a natural looking end result with enough detail in all areas ... Of course the dynamic range in these shots was rather extreme. This is using the 'combine as HDR' feature from the browser, which uses a few actions in PS2 to do the work. I may want to play with doing it manually as well, to get a better feel with the involved manipulations. I'm going to try some of this in the coming week on images I intend to capture this week in the U. P. of Michigan. I want to try using it on a HDR shot of a half-moon, see if I can include some 'dark side' :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
At 03:35 PM 9/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Who's losing their minds? Not me. I want a better pentax Product and would be willing to pay enough for them to PROFIT on it. Secondly, this is pentax discuss, not pentax kiss-ass. I don't understand why there's anything wrong about Stating likes and dislikes and desires from Pentax. If they can implement Image stabilization in a $500 Camera they certainly can implement a simple cam sensor In their flagship at $1K jco Maybe they can't. Because of SR they had to drop the pop up flash as wireless trigger feature. BTW, know one has a problem with you stating you're personal preference. It's the way you go about it that pisses people off. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
re: Ebay frustration
It's not only Ebay, it's every purchase you make overseas. For instance I bought Tamron 70-300mm for $281 in store here while it's available for $108-$160 in the U.S. Purchasing it through Adorama or BH will make $80-90 postage and packaging. This speaks for itself, although Tamron makes good lenses, ones I like better than Pentax own close counterparts. Frustrating is how european headquarters of these companies do nothing to enable less expensive imports of these products assembled in China or Philippines anyway. Everything comes from the U.S. your ass. -- home http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Go about it. I NEVER do any personal attacks unless Someone personally attacks me first. Youre probably Mistaking my verbal abuse as first strikes when They are not. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:58 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? At 03:35 PM 9/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Who's losing their minds? Not me. I want a better pentax Product and would be willing to pay enough for them to PROFIT on it. Secondly, this is pentax discuss, not pentax kiss-ass. I don't understand why there's anything wrong about Stating likes and dislikes and desires from Pentax. If they can implement Image stabilization in a $500 Camera they certainly can implement a simple cam sensor In their flagship at $1K jco Maybe they can't. Because of SR they had to drop the pop up flash as wireless trigger feature. BTW, know one has a problem with you stating you're personal preference. It's the way you go about it that pisses people off. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Screw you. You guys accept mediocrity for no reason? WHY? Pentax has supported legacy products whenever Technically economically possible and its certainly technically And economically possible. Its not some fact of life that this situation cant change ( new better higher models WITH full KM support). Don't you understand what the difference Between good and bad customer support companies? Good Ones don't abandon support of legacy products for no reason And good ones make products their customers want. Pentax Is going down the tubes if this attitude continues. Whats next? Abandon A and F And FA just because they are old. Really dumb argument. You must be 9 years old.. Pentax has made some Killer K lenses for many many years. To not support them ALL fully like the way cheaper A bodies did starting over 20 years ago on $1K bodies really sucks IMHO. I simply do not accept the fact that everything has to get worse with time. Things can get better. You are just a jaded pessimist. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Forbes Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? No K or M lens owner sees this as a plus. It is a pity Pentax dropped it. But we don't own or run Pentax. One of the advantages of growing up and becoming an adult is that one learns to take the rough with the smooth, and live with things one can't change. This is a process that JCO has somehow missed out on. Unless he really is only 14 years old, in which case in about seven years time we can look forward to a post from him on a different topic. Until then, he will continue to function as a boil on the collective PDML backside. John On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 03:15:28 +0100, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others, seem to see this as a plus. It clearly isn't and it's hard to understand the attitude. Some people are nuts about it however, JCO even attacks people who support his argument on occasion. Paul Stenquist wrote: There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The rest of us don't give a damn. Paul On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were happy about it not being there. Especially since it seems to be a purely marketing decision. John Forbes wrote: On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want the feature very much and I am Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to. Really? Rubbish! John -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Duck!
It might have been a better pic had you been able to get a shot that showed a pattern amongst the ducks. As it is, it's just a nice snap of a group of ducks Shel Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Duck!
Not bad for a webshot. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/09 Mon AM 02:21:22 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Duck! Yep they're ducks... Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185size=lg -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/09 Mon AM 04:18:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:32 AM, William Robb wrote: You aren't saying anything new. This is pretty much a dead topic. Sorry but topics only die when someone either quotes definitions from a dictionary or invokes Godwin's Law. In this case I wouldn't know as I'm skipping 90% of this thread :) How can you maintain context if you miss _all_ of JCO's posts? - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
6x7 Mirror and lense problems
As luck would have it I found a lovely shot and as I hit the trigger on the cable release the mirror went up, but failed to come back down. I figgled(tm) with it and cannot seem to be able to get it to return into the down position. Another item broken is my 6x7 135mm lens. The focos no longer works on it. The barrel still rotates, but the focus does not change. Is there a simple fix? If I need to put these into a shop, where can I find one in Australia that will service this lovely piece. Kind regards Kevin -- -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems
Since I'm researching Pentax 6x7s at the moment hoping to buy one...I've read the user manual I found on the web. Apparently if you try to take a shot when the battery hasn't got enough juice left, that can happen. Replace the battery and press the mirror reset button, on the front of the camera, to the right of the lens mount below the shutter release (roughly). This should reset the mirror and spring the shutter, resulting in one wasted frame. Hopefully it is as simple as a dead battery. Hope this helps. James - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:07 PM Subject: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems As luck would have it I found a lovely shot and as I hit the trigger on the cable release the mirror went up, but failed to come back down. I figgled(tm) with it and cannot seem to be able to get it to return into the down position. Another item broken is my 6x7 135mm lens. The focos no longer works on it. The barrel still rotates, but the focus does not change. Is there a simple fix? If I need to put these into a shop, where can I find one in Australia that will service this lovely piece. Kind regards Kevin -- -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems
thanks, will give that a shot Kind regards Keivn On 10/9/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I'm researching Pentax 6x7s at the moment hoping to buy one...I've read the user manual I found on the web. Apparently if you try to take a shot when the battery hasn't got enough juice left, that can happen. Replace the battery and press the mirror reset button, on the front of the camera, to the right of the lens mount below the shutter release (roughly). This should reset the mirror and spring the shutter, resulting in one wasted frame. Hopefully it is as simple as a dead battery. Hope this helps. James - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:07 PM Subject: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems As luck would have it I found a lovely shot and as I hit the trigger on the cable release the mirror went up, but failed to come back down. I figgled(tm) with it and cannot seem to be able to get it to return into the down position. Another item broken is my 6x7 135mm lens. The focos no longer works on it. The barrel still rotates, but the focus does not change. Is there a simple fix? If I need to put these into a shop, where can I find one in Australia that will service this lovely piece. Kind regards Kevin -- -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Duck!
I told them where I wanted them to stand, but they acted like they didn't eve hear me:-). On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It might have been a better pic had you been able to get a shot that showed a pattern amongst the ducks. As it is, it's just a nice snap of a group of ducks Shel Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems
Sounds like the battery is dead. Paul On Oct 9, 2006, at 5:07 AM, Kevin Waterson wrote: As luck would have it I found a lovely shot and as I hit the trigger on the cable release the mirror went up, but failed to come back down. I figgled(tm) with it and cannot seem to be able to get it to return into the down position. Another item broken is my 6x7 135mm lens. The focos no longer works on it. The barrel still rotates, but the focus does not change. Is there a simple fix? If I need to put these into a shop, where can I find one in Australia that will service this lovely piece. Kind regards Kevin -- -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Street corner Romeo Julia
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060829171511 ^^^ Random shots at the street corner -- home http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
On 9/10/06, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: Go about it. I NEVER do any personal attacks unless Someone personally attacks me first. Youre probably Mistaking my verbal abuse as first strikes when They are not. Thanks for clearing that one up ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
P. J. Alling has a legitimate gripe, but remember that the K10D is not the flagship. Perhaps the coming flagship, the so called K1D, will finally permit manual/AV with pre-A lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't outright agree with him. What he does not seem to realize is that we all agree with him but are not willing to forego shooting digital because of the minor inconvenience it brings. JCO I think very few people are arguing with you about whether you are right or wrong, they just don't think it's worth giving up on Pentax digital as a result. If I were you and I loved those old lenses so much, I would stock up on LXs and MZS's and get myself a good slide and negative scanner. Voila - full support cameras and digital to boot. By the way that's exactly what I have done. Problem is i still use the istD 90 per cent of the time... Vic On 9-Oct-06, at 4:12 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Go about it. I NEVER do any personal attacks unless Someone personally attacks me first. Youre probably Mistaking my verbal abuse as first strikes when They are not. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems
Kevin, I have had excellent service from CR Kennedy in Melbourne with my 6x7s so I would be talking to them about the 135 macro. On the other hand it is just a lens, so any competent repairer should be able to tackle it. Regards, Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Waterson Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:25 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems thanks, will give that a shot Kind regards Keivn On 10/9/06, J and K Messervy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I'm researching Pentax 6x7s at the moment hoping to buy one...I've read the user manual I found on the web. Apparently if you try to take a shot when the battery hasn't got enough juice left, that can happen. Replace the battery and press the mirror reset button, on the front of the camera, to the right of the lens mount below the shutter release (roughly). This should reset the mirror and spring the shutter, resulting in one wasted frame. Hopefully it is as simple as a dead battery. Hope this helps. James - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:07 PM Subject: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems As luck would have it I found a lovely shot and as I hit the trigger on the cable release the mirror went up, but failed to come back down. I figgled(tm) with it and cannot seem to be able to get it to return into the down position. Another item broken is my 6x7 135mm lens. The focos no longer works on it. The barrel still rotates, but the focus does not change. Is there a simple fix? If I need to put these into a shop, where can I find one in Australia that will service this lovely piece. Kind regards Kevin -- -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - spider from the window
On 10/9/06, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 8, 2006, at 18:58, Bruce Dayton wrote: Way cooler than mine - all web and NO spider - but I kinda like mine anyways, if you don't mind peeking here: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_Photos/pages/page_64.html I think I like yours better too. :-) -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - spider from the window
On 10/9/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't get it to load is it gone again, mat? http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/testscans/IMGP0281- Still there, Ann. No idea why you can't load it. :-( -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? (fwd)
But you're a digital newbie. Give it time. It's no big deal. If you can shoot with a Barnack Leica or a Spotmatic, the green button kludge is no big deal. It *is* a bit deal in the following situations: - Available light low: Stopping down drops off the end of the metering range. Open-aperture metering still within range. - Manual-focus aid screens: Stopping down to anything smaller and f/5.6 or f/8 blacks out the center. CW metering is standard with MF lenses, so metering exposure is off even at moderate apertures with fast glass. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? (fwd)
If you feel that strongly, write a letter to Pentax Japan. I have... multiple times. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
Actually, you get matrix metering with A lenses even if using the aperture ring (And pre-A lenses can be modified to support matrix metering) ...which does not appear to work on my -DS. I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care that the identification insulators are there... still stuck in CW metering. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
Cory Papenfuss wrote: I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care that the identification insulators are there... still stuck in CW metering. That's why my web page has the following note on the lens mod page: It will not have any effect on any of the Pentax digital cameras -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? (fwd)
From: Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/09 Mon PM 01:45:20 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? (fwd) But you're a digital newbie. Give it time. It's no big deal. If you can shoot with a Barnack Leica or a Spotmatic, the green button kludge is no big deal. It *is* a bit deal in the following situations: - Available light low: Stopping down drops off the end of the metering range. Open-aperture metering still within range. - Manual-focus aid screens: Stopping down to anything smaller and f/5.6 or f/8 blacks out the center. CW metering is standard with MF lenses, so metering exposure is off even at moderate apertures with fast glass. Also: Rapid light changes combined with a rapidly moving subject. One of my nest boxes is in dappled shade. With the LX, I can make many more exposures with each fleeting visit than I can with the DSLR and they are mostly accurate. The light can easily change by the time I take with the DSLR. The exposures are mostly inaccurate. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Vic MacBournie Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? - Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new lenses... I may be wrong, but if you weren't forward thinking enough to get your non-AI Nikkor lenses modified, then you are pretty much hooped with Nikon digital as well. William Robb Nah, you can still get AI conversions done pretty cheap, about $35/lens. The big kicker is that many non-factory conversions need to be done again, as many of them just clear the AI tab and are actually out of spec for AI, so the rest of the aperture ring needs t be trimmed to fit the lower-end bodies. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
That's pretty much it. I'd rather see an aperture simulator, and would even pay a mild price increase for it. But I'm also damned glad that they gave us something, unlike Nikon (Who expects you to buy a $1699 body if you want that). -Adam Who also has a LOT of Nikon gear, mostly AI/AI-S Vic MacBournie wrote: I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't outright agree with him. What he does not seem to realize is that we all agree with him but are not willing to forego shooting digital because of the minor inconvenience it brings. JCO I think very few people are arguing with you about whether you are right or wrong, they just don't think it's worth giving up on Pentax digital as a result. If I were you and I loved those old lenses so much, I would stock up on LXs and MZS's and get myself a good slide and negative scanner. Voila - full support cameras and digital to boot. By the way that's exactly what I have done. Problem is i still use the istD 90 per cent of the time... Vic On 9-Oct-06, at 4:12 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Go about it. I NEVER do any personal attacks unless Someone personally attacks me first. Youre probably Mistaking my verbal abuse as first strikes when They are not. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - spider from the window
I rather like it, too. Nice shot. I'm curious if you found the web loaded with dew like that or helped it a bit. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, October 8, 2006, 11:03:12 PM, you wrote: CR On Oct 8, 2006, at 18:58, Bruce Dayton wrote: Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider. Not too bad with the circumstances. Handholding with that a short of DOF is quite difficult. CR Way cooler than mine - all web and NO spider - but I kinda like mine CR anyways, if you don't mind peeking here: CR http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_Photos/pages/page_64.html CR It was a lot harder than I thought it would be to photograph this CR web CR -Charles CR -- CR Charles Robinson CR [EMAIL PROTECTED] CR Minneapolis, MN CR http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care that the identification insulators are there... still stuck in CW metering. That's why my web page has the following note on the lens mod page: It will not have any effect on any of the Pentax digital cameras I was too excited to read the fine print... either that or it wasn't there 18 months ago when I did it. Just figured I'd clarify in the post here. Didn't want people to think it was doable with the digital ones. Again... no GOOD reason for it. Either marketing or engineering oversight probably the former. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems
- Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson Subject: 6x7 Mirror and lense problems As luck would have it I found a lovely shot and as I hit the trigger on the cable release the mirror went up, but failed to come back down. I figgled(tm) with it and cannot seem to be able to get it to return into the down position. Another item broken is my 6x7 135mm lens. The focos no longer works on it. The barrel still rotates, but the focus does not change. Is there a simple fix? If I need to put these into a shop, where can I find one in Australia that will service this lovely piece. Can't help with the lens, but replace the battery in the camera, and then press the mirror return button (it's on the front of the body below the shutter button). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? Secondly, this is pentax discuss, not pentax kiss-ass. I don't understand why there's anything wrong about Stating likes and dislikes and desires from Pentax. It's becaue you are a one trick pony. It's pretty much a rerun on what you said last time, every time. After a while, it gets boring. Anyway, I'm bowing out on this one. If you want to consider it a win, you go right ahead. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
Cory Papenfuss wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care that the identification insulators are there... still stuck in CW metering. That's why my web page has the following note on the lens mod page: It will not have any effect on any of the Pentax digital cameras I was too excited to read the fine print... either that or it wasn't there 18 months ago when I did it. Just figured I'd clarify in the post here. Didn't want people to think it was doable with the digital ones. Again... no GOOD reason for it. Either marketing or engineering oversight probably the former. No, there's a good reason for it: The matrix metering algorithms need to know not only the maximum aperture of the lens (which it gets from the ID Insulators, but also the actual shooting aperture, which it can determine from the non-linear movement of the diaphragm actuator arm on A Series and later lenses. (Well, the movement is linear with respect to aperture *area* on A lenses. On K and M lenses it's linear with respect to diameter but not to area. I think I've got that right) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Way OT
For those of you in the big cities, this is probably a small thing, but Regina managed to persuade the Rolling Stones to play two shows here, one on Friday, the other last night. I went to last nights show. Heck of a good concert. No, I didn't try to smuggle a camera in. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
This is the whole crux of the matter, there shouldn't be any Need to give up PK/PKM PENTAX glass with full lens capability Just because its digital capture. Its totally unrelated. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vic MacBournie Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:16 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't outright agree with him. What he does not seem to realize is that we all agree with him but are not willing to forego shooting digital because of the minor inconvenience it brings. JCO I think very few people are arguing with you about whether you are right or wrong, they just don't think it's worth giving up on Pentax digital as a result. If I were you and I loved those old lenses so much, I would stock up on LXs and MZS's and get myself a good slide and negative scanner. Voila - full support cameras and digital to boot. By the way that's exactly what I have done. Problem is i still use the istD 90 per cent of the time... Vic On 9-Oct-06, at 4:12 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Go about it. I NEVER do any personal attacks unless Someone personally attacks me first. Youre probably Mistaking my verbal abuse as first strikes when They are not. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
No, there's a good reason for it: The matrix metering algorithms need to know not only the maximum aperture of the lens (which it gets from the ID Insulators, but also the actual shooting aperture, which it can determine from the non-linear movement of the diaphragm actuator arm on A Series and later lenses. Ah... my bad. The cause/effect is a bit off though, no? The non-linear movement of the diagphram arm is what the *body decides* to do if A or later. The shooting aperture is determined from the aperture simulator in K/M/A-in-non-A. I still say the green-button trick could be made to work better and allow these things, even without the aperture simulator. If one could manually set the max aperture of a K/M lens, the body would know. Hitting the green button could then be used to compute the *difference* between wide-open and shooting. Then you'd only have to hit the button if you change the lens aperture... not if the lighting changes. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
You're not one who I think sees it as a plus. There are a couple of people posting here who seem positively giddy about it whenever the defend Pentax's actions in the matter. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others, seem to see this as a plus. It clearly isn't and it's hard to understand the attitude. Some people are nuts about it however, JCO even attacks people who support his argument on occasion. I certainly don't see it as a plus. I recall calling the istD a crippled whore because of K/M compatability. I decided, after being told by a couple of knowledgable people that the aperture simulator was gone, to get on with life and accept reality. William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
I agree with you, there is no reason why the shutter Speed MUST stay locked ( although that should still Remain an option) after taking a reading. But the Easiest and best solution is to just put the cam Sensor back in their because it solves all the AE Issues and avoids stopping down the lens altogeher. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cory Papenfuss Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd) No, there's a good reason for it: The matrix metering algorithms need to know not only the maximum aperture of the lens (which it gets from the ID Insulators, but also the actual shooting aperture, which it can determine from the non-linear movement of the diaphragm actuator arm on A Series and later lenses. Ah... my bad. The cause/effect is a bit off though, no? The non-linear movement of the diagphram arm is what the *body decides* to do if A or later. The shooting aperture is determined from the aperture simulator in K/M/A-in-non-A. I still say the green-button trick could be made to work better and allow these things, even without the aperture simulator. If one could manually set the max aperture of a K/M lens, the body would know. Hitting the green button could then be used to compute the *difference* between wide-open and shooting. Then you'd only have to hit the button if you change the lens aperture... not if the lighting changes. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 300*F4.5
Two have sold on ebay UK in the past two years, both for less than GBP450 (say USD 850). Peter - Original Message - From: David S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: 300*F4.5 Vic MacBournie wrote: Do you have a link for that? On 8-Oct-06, at 10:44 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record??? Vic - There's a thread on it over at dpreview. My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with their camera. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280033701440 I saw info afout this on another forum yesterday. I bought one of these, also in near mint condition about 6 years ago through ebay for about 1/2 this price. These kind of prices makes us have to rethink insurance values for some of our lenses. -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I can't imagine that anyone sees the lack of the simulator as a plus. However, I was quite pleased when the firmware was revised to enable the green button. That was a plus. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're not one who I think sees it as a plus. There are a couple of people posting here who seem positively giddy about it whenever the defend Pentax's actions in the matter. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others, seem to see this as a plus. It clearly isn't and it's hard to understand the attitude. Some people are nuts about it however, JCO even attacks people who support his argument on occasion. I certainly don't see it as a plus. I recall calling the istD a crippled whore because of K/M compatability. I decided, after being told by a couple of knowledgable people that the aperture simulator was gone, to get on with life and accept reality. William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Duck!
You should have tried their native tongue. Paul Stenquist wrote: I told them where I wanted them to stand, but they acted like they didn't eve hear me:-). On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It might have been a better pic had you been able to get a shot that showed a pattern amongst the ducks. As it is, it's just a nice snap of a group of ducks Shel Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
The JCO survey
On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 300*F4.5
So used lenses are selling for what 99% of their street price new? Ok, so in the UK the new price would be £999.00. So for you guys it's just a bargain. Peter Jordan wrote: Two have sold on ebay UK in the past two years, both for less than GBP450 (say USD 850). Peter - Original Message - From: David S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: 300*F4.5 Vic MacBournie wrote: Do you have a link for that? On 8-Oct-06, at 10:44 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record??? Vic - There's a thread on it over at dpreview. My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with their camera. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280033701440 I saw info afout this on another forum yesterday. I bought one of these, also in near mint condition about 6 years ago through ebay for about 1/2 this price. These kind of prices makes us have to rethink insurance values for some of our lenses. -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION
It doesn't work anymore but it is still good to know that it will work AFAIR with all AF bodies supporting matrix except *ist (and K...D) serie (analog and digital). MZ-S/Z1 etc will matrix fine :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
On the Ds at least, (I'll check the D later), you have the option of CW and Spot metering with K-M lenses. Not as nice in some circumstances as matrix metering but I most often find myself using CW anyway, at least I have some idea how the meter might be going wrong in difficult lighting, with matrix I have now clue how the scene is being evaluated, which makes it a bitch to correct. Cory Papenfuss wrote: Actually, you get matrix metering with A lenses even if using the aperture ring (And pre-A lenses can be modified to support matrix metering) ...which does not appear to work on my -DS. I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care that the identification insulators are there... still stuck in CW metering. -Cory -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
On 9/10/06, Vic MacBournie, discombobulated, unleashed: I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't outright agree with him. What he does not seem to realize is that we all agree with him but are not willing to forego shooting digital because of the minor inconvenience it brings. JCO I think very few people are arguing with you about whether you are right or wrong, they just don't think it's worth giving up on Pentax digital as a result. I think in Vic's way he is saying that he agrees with JCO ;-P If I were you and I loved those old lenses so much, I would stock up on LXs and MZS's and get myself a good slide and negative scanner. Voila - full support cameras and digital to boot. By the way that's exactly what I have done. Problem is i still use the istD 90 per cent of the time... Alternatively buy a Canon, saw the aperture couplers off the backs of your lenses and use them in full manual or AV stop-down metering mode...no green button :-)) ;-) -just in case -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT
On 9/10/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: For those of you in the big cities, this is probably a small thing, but Regina managed to persuade the Rolling Stones to play two shows here, one on Friday, the other last night. I went to last nights show. Heck of a good concert. No, I didn't try to smuggle a camera in. Hippy. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street corner Romeo Julia
They don't look happy... Roman wrote: http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060829171511 ^^^ Random shots at the street corner -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Aye! On 10/9/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: second Dario - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: The JCO survey On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PTTL flash metering
Yeah indeed if AE-L is not implemented it limits the usage. How about CW? Does it work ? 2006/10/9, Lawrence Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 8 Oct 2006, Thibouille wrote: I know it uses the same system as without flash (wihch is why there is a preflash) but is it influenced by the choice between spot/CW/Matrix ? Can I shoot spot with flash? I also wondered about this. But then I realize AE-L is not supported in current implementation. So there is very little point of using spot, as it requires the spot you are interested in right at the center of the photo :-) -- --Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence -- --Tungsten T3 Enhanced DIA KeyboardNokia Ringtone Convertor-- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
It diaphragm actuator may be linear in the K-M lenses in accordance with diameter, but it doesn't have to be, for the K specification only the simulator has to be accurate since the diaphragm actuator moves it's entire travel distance with each exposure. As long as the aperture stops closing at the stop specified on the aperture ring. Mark Roberts wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: Cory Papenfuss wrote: I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care that the identification insulators are there... still stuck in CW metering. That's why my web page has the following note on the lens mod page: It will not have any effect on any of the Pentax digital cameras I was too excited to read the fine print... either that or it wasn't there 18 months ago when I did it. Just figured I'd clarify in the post here. Didn't want people to think it was doable with the digital ones. Again... no GOOD reason for it. Either marketing or engineering oversight probably the former. No, there's a good reason for it: The matrix metering algorithms need to know not only the maximum aperture of the lens (which it gets from the ID Insulators, but also the actual shooting aperture, which it can determine from the non-linear movement of the diaphragm actuator arm on A Series and later lenses. (Well, the movement is linear with respect to aperture *area* on A lenses. On K and M lenses it's linear with respect to diameter but not to area. I think I've got that right) -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
second Dario - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: The JCO survey On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
On 9/10/06, Cory Papenfuss, discombobulated, unleashed: I was too excited to read the fine print Mark. Love it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Yes, I'd like that very much. Shel - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Third. On 10/9/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: second -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Boris Liberman wrote: Third. On 10/9/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: second Here here. Go ahead and add $100 to the MSRP for this function, Pentax. I guess we're past the only three people care point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Sign me up. On 10/9/06, Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Of course I want an aperture simulator. Trying to find a normal lens like the M 35mm f2.0 that complements the *ist-D/Ds in size, has a great manual focus feel, and is relatively fast would justify a $100.00 extra on any body they put aperture simulator on. Being able to use either the diaphragm ring or the aperture wheel on the *ist-D/K10D, or any other body with a similar control layout, depending on circumstances, just like the PZ-1p, on lenses that support aperture rings, would be well worth it. On the cameras like the Ds which doesn't have a second wheel would make even A lenses more desirable, but I don't think this will get past Pentax marketing. They want to sell lenses. Even if those lenses aren't available. Lon Williamson wrote: On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperture simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
The JCO Survey
Add another to the JCO list. JCO RULES! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO Survey
What does JCO Rules mean? I've heard this expression a number of time, but never understood it. Rules what? Rules who (or whom?) Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add another to the JCO list. JCO RULES! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Lon Williamson Subject: The JCO survey How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. Yup. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Of course I would. But I think you knew the result of your opoll didn't you ? :) 2006/10/9, Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: meeting pdml's in NZ AU
My wife and I are about 2 weeks away from a 3 week trip to New Zealand and Australia. Your pictures from NZ have convinced me to spend half of my time there, and AU is just too big to get serious about seeing in a short time. I'd be happy to have a beer with anyone who is around. The itinerary goes something like this: Chicago to LA to Auckland Fly to Queenstown Franz Joseph Punakiki Rocks Nelson Christchurch Fly to Melbourne Geelong ( Great Ocean Road) Port Campbell Halls Gap Melbourne Fly to Sydney Fly to Auckland Paihia Hokianga Aukland to LA to Chicago Unfortunately, I won't have the new K10D along. It looks like US delivery is delayed until we return from the trip. As I learn about how sparsely the south island of NZ is populated, I'm worried about the drive from Queenstown to Franz Joseph (thru the mountains and up the west coast) and Nelson to Christchurch. Any advice would be appreciated. Contact me directly for more details. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Lon Williamson wrote: On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon Put me on it too. I consider this a must-have for a flagship body. While I have no serious issues with a $1000 body lacking it, a $2000+ body damned well better have one. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Cotty wrote: On 9/10/06, Vic MacBournie, discombobulated, unleashed: I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't outright agree with him. What he does not seem to realize is that we all agree with him but are not willing to forego shooting digital because of the minor inconvenience it brings. JCO I think very few people are arguing with you about whether you are right or wrong, they just don't think it's worth giving up on Pentax digital as a result. I think in Vic's way he is saying that he agrees with JCO ;-P If I were you and I loved those old lenses so much, I would stock up on LXs and MZS's and get myself a good slide and negative scanner. Voila - full support cameras and digital to boot. By the way that's exactly what I have done. Problem is i still use the istD 90 per cent of the time... Alternatively buy a Canon, saw the aperture couplers off the backs of your lenses and use them in full manual or AV stop-down metering mode...no green button :-)) ;-) -just in case You don't even need to do that if you buy a 1.6x crop body. Cameraquest sells a (bloody expensive) adaptor that works with unmodified lenses on the 1.6x crop bodies. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
did a bad thing -- I calibrated my monitor using the custom settings and saved it as Adobe 1998 :( Now I'm getting confused -- For the stock stuff and stuff I want to print, I want the 1998 RGB adobe settings which I have in my camera. Im comfused about what is regulating the screen as opposed to what is regulating what i get when I print. I stumbled around getting the screen to look right to me, comparing it to the screen on my old computer that is sitting next to this one. another thing - if anyone is using the Microsoft Works word processor (it came installed and Word would have cost me) I can't find where to set the default font and size, nor can I get the stuff I'm typing to fill up the entire screen, as in WORD. also, if anyone has a corner of a server I could use to store the images I put up on ebay - at elast for a while - I'd appreciate it. Using the ebay picture thing the pics are much smaller than mine but I'd like not to have to use rcn anymore for that stuff. right now I'm hooked up on earthlink just as a connector - will be on RR on Friday. I do like the speed of the cable connection and it was certainly 10 times as fast getting stuff on ebay. I've hardly read anything on this list or my other ones during this time of turmoil but I havent' unsubbed - I'll be back eventually :) ann mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Of course it's desirable, that's a given. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson Subject: The JCO survey How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. Yup. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 11:33:41AM -0500, Ryan Brooks wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: Third. On 10/9/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: second Here here. Go ahead and add $100 to the MSRP for this function, Pentax. I sure as hell don't want to waste $100 on a feature I'd rarely (if ever) use. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Perry Pellechia wrote: The real question is how much would you be willing to pay extra for a camera that had the feature. No, the real question is how many camera sales might Pentax lose by not having this feature. It's been several years since the aperture simulator disappeared. They've figured out the answer at this point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO Survey
And if JCO doesn't respond positively to the survey, I, for one, am gonna feel hornswaggled wink. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add another to the JCO list. JCO RULES! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
The real question is how much would you be willing to pay extra for a camera that had the feature. If it added less than $100 to the cost and did not effect other features that I want, i.e., SR and SS motor lenses, then I would want it. I am not sure I would pay much more than $100 for full K/M support. I am sure the threshold would be different for others that have either a lot of K/M lens or had none. Perry. On 10/9/06, Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Duck!
-- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should have tried their native tongue. I once tried it in a Chinese restaurant. It was somewhat tough and sinewy. Not a lot unlike chicken tongue. Paul Stenquist wrote: I told them where I wanted them to stand, but they acted like they didn't eve hear me:-). On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It might have been a better pic had you been able to get a shot that showed a pattern amongst the ducks. As it is, it's just a nice snap of a group of ducks Shel Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 300*F4.5
What I can't understand is that while AF 35mm lenses are heading up in price, 645 lenses are vanishing through the floor. You can pick up some fantastic bargains now, and when the 645D hits the street, prices will rise again. In the meantime, you get that thrill of looking at 6x4.5 transparencies which make 35mm or digital seem very inferior in comparison. Peter - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: 300*F4.5 So used lenses are selling for what 99% of their street price new? Ok, so in the UK the new price would be £999.00. So for you guys it's just a bargain. Peter Jordan wrote: Two have sold on ebay UK in the past two years, both for less than GBP450 (say USD 850). Peter - Original Message - From: David S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: 300*F4.5 Vic MacBournie wrote: Do you have a link for that? On 8-Oct-06, at 10:44 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record??? Vic - There's a thread on it over at dpreview. My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with their camera. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280033701440 I saw info afout this on another forum yesterday. I bought one of these, also in near mint condition about 6 years ago through ebay for about 1/2 this price. These kind of prices makes us have to rethink insurance values for some of our lenses. -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO Survey
Hi, I thought I made it very clear I want it would pay more to get it, $100 would be nothing to me for that one. JCO. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lon Williamson Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:11 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO Survey And if JCO doesn't respond positively to the survey, I, for one, am gonna feel hornswaggled wink. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add another to the JCO list. JCO RULES! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
They have? Your conclusion is based on what? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey Perry Pellechia wrote: The real question is how much would you be willing to pay extra for a camera that had the feature. No, the real question is how many camera sales might Pentax lose by not having this feature. It's been several years since the aperture simulator disappeared. They've figured out the answer at this point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
I agree. BTW: What or who is JCO ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lon Williamson Sent: 9. oktober 2006 18:02 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: The JCO survey On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Seeing as how SR in lens isn't an option and may never be with Pentax, and SS uses the power zoom contacts for power and the digital channel for control both of which were available on the PZ-1p which also had the aperture simulator I expect that to be a non issue. The actual cost of the parts is probably measured in tens of cents per. unit, and the programming effort in thousands of dollars for the entire firmware release. If it cost more than $20 in the final cost of each camera I would be amazed. I'd be willing to pay $100 extra and buy the camera at release instead of waiting for a price drop. Perry Pellechia wrote: The real question is how much would you be willing to pay extra for a camera that had the feature. If it added less than $100 to the cost and did not effect other features that I want, i.e., SR and SS motor lenses, then I would want it. I am not sure I would pay much more than $100 for full K/M support. I am sure the threshold would be different for others that have either a lot of K/M lens or had none. Perry. On 10/9/06, Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, I propose the following question: How many people here would consider an aperature simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering in manual and AV modes a _highly_ desirable feature on the K1D? Put my name as the first on the list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
I miss the aperturesimulator too. Not that I use K and M lenses a lot. But isn't a mechanical thing, that transferes the info anout the lens aperture setting to the camera - a thing of the past. IMO it's not very likely that Pentax will make the cameras more expensive in order to accomodate a few hundred users of old lenses? Wouldn't it be more natural if this informaton about the lens aperture setting, was transferred to the camera body/lightmeter by using a electrical contact? This is actually what the KA lenses do, right? So, an aperture simulator is only needed for K and M-lenses, right? So what we really need is a device that will add the contacts to K- and M-lenses! On the other hand, I kinda miss the option to set the lens manyally (for flash photography etc.) in order to make sure the aperture setting STAYS in the right position and not by mistakedly gets knocked off. Would it be possible to mount a KA mount connected to the aperture ring setting on these lenses? This way, only those who wants this, have to pay for it. Anyway, that's not really my problem, is it? Heck, put me on the lsit as well. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Boris Liberman Sendt: 9. oktober 2006 18:20 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: The JCO survey Third. On 10/9/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: second -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Millions of these TOP QUALITY PENTAX BRAND PK/PKM Lenes are out there. The age is irrelavant And so is the fact that the coupling is Mechanical, ( so is the DSLR shutter which is Far more complex, so whats your point?) jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Bladt Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey I miss the aperturesimulator too. Not that I use K and M lenses a lot. But isn't a mechanical thing, that transferes the info anout the lens aperture setting to the camera - a thing of the past. IMO it's not very likely that Pentax will make the cameras more expensive in order to accomodate a few hundred users of old lenses? Wouldn't it be more natural if this informaton about the lens aperture setting, was transferred to the camera body/lightmeter by using a electrical contact? This is actually what the KA lenses do, right? So, an aperture simulator is only needed for K and M-lenses, right? So what we really need is a device that will add the contacts to K- and M-lenses! On the other hand, I kinda miss the option to set the lens manyally (for flash photography etc.) in order to make sure the aperture setting STAYS in the right position and not by mistakedly gets knocked off. Would it be possible to mount a KA mount connected to the aperture ring setting on these lenses? This way, only those who wants this, have to pay for it. Anyway, that's not really my problem, is it? Heck, put me on the lsit as well. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Boris Liberman Sendt: 9. oktober 2006 18:20 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: The JCO survey Third. On 10/9/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: second -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Leica has done something like that. For a few $$ they will upgrade older lenses to work automatically with the digital M. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt So what we really need is a device that will add the contacts to K- and M-lenses! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
GESO: Speaking of Ducks (Gang Rape)
Gang rape - that's what this is! http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594320086680/ (sorry if I posted this before) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 9. oktober 2006 19:16 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: PESO: Duck! -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should have tried their native tongue. I once tried it in a Chinese restaurant. It was somewhat tough and sinewy. Not a lot unlike chicken tongue. Paul Stenquist wrote: I told them where I wanted them to stand, but they acted like they didn't eve hear me:-). On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:11 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It might have been a better pic had you been able to get a shot that showed a pattern amongst the ducks. As it is, it's just a nice snap of a group of ducks Shel Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Pentax doesn't even need to do that, a better body Would solve the problem. No mods to lenses are even Necessary for full support on DSLR. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:33 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey Leica has done something like that. For a few $$ they will upgrade older lenses to work automatically with the digital M. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt So what we really need is a device that will add the contacts to K- and M-lenses! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Shel, The only addition is a set of colour codes on the mount that the camera reads to identify the lens. It pretty much only affects Leica's automatic vignetting compensation feature. The lenses retain all exposure functions on the M8 without it. Essentially you're paying to have a sticker added in the right spot. -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: Leica has done something like that. For a few $$ they will upgrade older lenses to work automatically with the digital M. Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt So what we really need is a device that will add the contacts to K- and M-lenses! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
300*F4.5
My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with their camera. Is that fact or rumor? Dave - Not exactly rumor, more like reasoned engineering analysis. I'm not an engineer, but a discussion over at dpreview convinced me that it would be technically difficult and expensive to include both autofocus mechanisms. I would be happy for this analysis to be wrong. Also, Pentax has recently been less than fully solicitous for users who have invested in things like pre-A lenses, aperture rings, TTL flashes, and CF cards--even customers who have bought equipment quite recently, like the MZ-S or the *ist D. So I would not be surprised if Pentax shafts us again, this time by unshafting us. BTW, the rumor from a Pentax guy at Photokina is that the DA* and D FA* lenses will have both in-lens motors and the older autofocus drive shaft. Make of that what you will. A Pentax guy also claimed that the K10D would be able to take replaceable batteries. We know how that turned out. I no longer trust reports from Pentax guys. I understand that at Photokina, Japanese employees set up the display for these lenses while the local Pentax employees were told to stay away. The most reliable early information these days is coming out of Malta. Go figure. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO Survey
And another On 9-Oct-06, at 12:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add another to the JCO list. JCO RULES! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
