RE: PESO - American Fence
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 11 January 2007 01:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence This is well, just wrong. The methods of how diseases were transmitted just wasn't well enough understood to run a campaign using such a weapon. You didn't need to do it on purpose, it seems that moderns have forgotten just virulent smallpox is and what it does to un-protected populations. Now killing the buffalo, that was well understood. People have been using diseases as biological weapons as far back as you care to go in history. At least since the plague of Athens and the siege of Caffa, when the bodies of plague victims were thrown over the walls to infect the enemy. Some people think that the ashes that God told Moses to sprinkle on Pharaoh (Exodus 9:8-9) is an example of anthrax used as a weapon. After the initial wave of the Black Death in the 14th century it chuntered on through Europe for 300 years. One of the reasons why it didn't continue to have the devastating consequences it did in the 14th century is that people fairly quickly came to understand the pattern of transmission, so they were able to take countermeasures whenever there was a new outbreak. By the time we arrived in the New World we had used germ warfare many times before, and certainly new enough about it to use it against the people in North America. There are several examples of it cited, including Sir Jeffrey Amherst deliberately giving tribal leaders blankets laced with smallpox crusts at Fort Pitt, Pennsylvania in 1763. http://www.college.ucla.edu/webproject/micro12/webpages/indianssmallpo x.html -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)
From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/11 Thu AM 03:38:14 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: OT: Only in England (revisited) I am sure this has been around a few times but don't remember if it made it onto PDML or not... Stan --- Very amusing but Longbenton is the Pensions Agency office. Unipart is a major car spare part supplier. Looks like an urban myth to me. If you want _real_ idiocy, how about the fact that HM Revenue and Customs (i.e the Taxman) recently sold all its buildings to a property developer and then leased them back, in the interests of efficiency. Idiotic enough, until it was made public that the parent company of the developer (to whom all the profits go) is based in a tax haven. Then to find out that the developer reneged on the deal unless the rent was increased. I often wonder who puts politicians' clothes on in the morning. They are certainly too stupid to put them on themselves. £7m cost of telling staff how to keep desks tidy By Paul Stokes Last Updated: 3:03am GMT 05/01/2007 Civil servants are being trained how to keep their desks tidy as part of a £7 million Government project described by one union as madness. Staff at one HM Revenue and Customs complex have had strips of black tape fixed to their desks to mark where items should be placed. The pilot study at the offices at Longbenton, Newcastle upon Tyne, is designed to improve efficiency by clearing clutter and keep computer keyboards, telephones and stationery in their optimum positions. It is included in a programme entitled Lean, introduced by consultants Unipart to improve the performance of public sector workers more used to dealing with red tape. HMRC would not disclose how much Unipart was being paid for its service but the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS) yesterday claimed that the dictum to desk-users was part of a £7.4 million national project. One Longbenton worker said: Telling people where they should place their telephone is demeaning and demoralising. It's absurd that all this public money is being spent on this when staff are quite capable of deciding for themselves how their desks should be organised. The union has had reports of staff in one office being asked if a banana was active or inactive, meaning it had to be cleared from a desk unless it was going to be eaten immediately. Kevin McHugh, the PCS branch secretary, said some staff at Longbenton share the same desk, and have to rearrange their workspace, regardless of the tape. He said. This office has been open for 60 years and people have managed to find their pens and staplers without consultants helping them in that time. They are trying to turn people into robots but the whole thing falls down because in certain areas we have hot-desking where different shifts come in and use the same desks. If the person coming in after you has slightly shorter arms, then the markers will be in the wrong place. Marking the desk tends to get members upset sometimes when they've got personal photographs on their desks and they have to move them around. A HMRC spokesman explained it was only right that staff sharing desk space be given advice and support on how to make the most efficient use of the space. She said: It will also help to make sure everyone has what they need to do their job effectively and in turn support working relationships. Staff can still move the things on their desk to positions that suit them best. Lean is all about how we can work more efficiently to deliver an even better service to our customers. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Hot Chocolate Recipe
On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:26 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Anyone got a recipe that they like for hot chocolate. It's cold @ Casa Belinkoff these mornings, and I'm not satisfied with the various recipes and techniques I have here for hot chocolate. I just fill a mug with milk, throw it into the microwave then add a decent heaped spoon of Cadbury Drinking Chocolate. On special occasions I'll top it with a little whipped cream and cinnamon, but it's not often we have cream. An alternative is to stir in a couple of tabs of Caramello instead of the drinking chocolate :)) Just the thing for cold rainy weather. The only real requirement for me is that it should be 100% milk, no water. I don't bother with marshmallows either, as they're too sweet for my liking. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Circles of Man
On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I like it--but what is it?? Tom's built a particle accelerator in his back yard. I think he's found the Higgs Boson. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:03 AM, K.Takeshita wrote: Flip side of this is, depending on the type of care, you may have to wait for a long time. For example, several years ago, MRI scan had a long waiting list up to 6 months etc simply because of insufficient number. Here the government was able to slash the number of people on waiting lists. They wrote to tell them that they're no longer on the list. I have private insurance. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:52 AM, Bob Shell wrote: Technically that's not a UFO. We know what it is. And it's debatable whether you could say it's flying. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:42 PM, mike wilson wrote: Isn't that what the Apache said? My Apache keeps saying 404. At least I don't have an Oracle. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)
On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Lean is all about how we can work more efficiently to deliver an even better service to our customers. I thought Lean Enterprise had come and gone. Last I heard it was 5S doing the rounds (not related to Six Sigma). - Dave (Lean Design Black Belt) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)
On 11/01/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They look high to me, unless Australian Dollerettes have lost lots of value lately. We've been riding relatively level against most world currencies recently, excepting the US$ which has of course diminished in value, so we are buying way more of them per $Oz compared to last year ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:48 AM, Steve Sharpe wrote: I think it will only be visible from the southern hemisphere starting sometime after the 12th. http://skytonight.com/observing/home/5133461.html Thanks for the info. I was hoping the sky would be clear by then, but the 5-day forecast is rain all the way :( - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)
On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:26 PM, John Francis wrote: http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/FatAlbert.jpg That evokes memories of low-flying Hercules. What an amazing noise they make. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
Fra: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:52 AM, Bob Shell wrote: Technically that's not a UFO. We know what it is. And it's debatable whether you could say it's flying. - Dave It's an Unterrestrial Falling Object. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Occupations?
Like some other people in this list, I also write software for a living, working at a telecommunications company. In the past I had a part time job as a system administrator, but decided that having no free time makes me no good, so I quit. I like what I do, but having two jobs at the same time seemed to be too much. I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Computer Science, so I'm actually working in my field. Nowadays I try not to work overtime, to drink less coffe, take more photos and keep up with the list traffic:) -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
I like both the original and the rework. Different effect, but both work well. I suppose the BW might have a tad more aesthetic appeal for most viewers. Paul On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:31 AM, Mike Hamilton wrote: I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) Enjoy. -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Occupations?
Attila, Nowadays I try not to work overtime, to drink less coffe, take more photos and keep up with the list traffic:) This sounds awfully like a new year resolution to me ;-). -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)
mike wilson wrote: Looks like an urban myth to me. Sadly, not: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6230629.stm Though it's worth noting that the £7.4 million price figure is alleged by the union that opposes it, not an official figure. I expect it is exaggerated somewhat. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Circles of Man
This list has way too much education. I haven't thought about bosons for years... Bob S. On 1/11/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I like it--but what is it?? Tom's built a particle accelerator in his back yard. I think he's found the Higgs Boson. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)
On 11/01/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, not: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6230629.stm Mmm, there's nothing quite like an active banana! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Off to Florida
Leaving tonight to visit my brother in Ocala, Florida for a few days. Hoping to do some photography for the first time in a *long* while. (Man, this college professor sh*t is time consuming! And school starts again on Tuesday.) So anyway... I'm taking the K10D, four Ltd lenses (21, 31, 43, 77) and the 80-200/2.8. Can't justify the size/weight of a 300/2.8 for this trip so I'm gonna take the 1.7x teleconverter to use with the 80-200 if I need something long. Hope to bring back some photos. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is well, just wrong. The methods of how diseases were transmitted just wasn't well enough understood to run a campaign using such a weapon. You didn't need to do it on purpose, it seems that moderns have forgotten just virulent smallpox is and what it does to un-protected populations. Now killing the buffalo, that was well understood. Just because they didn't have the same knowledge that we do about disease transmission doesn't mean that it wouldn't have been well known that certain diseases were communicable. I'm sure that it wouldn't have been difficult to notice that those in contact with someone with smallpox seem to have a much higher chance of contracting it themselves. They may not have been sophisticated, but they weren't stupid. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
Excellent job re-rendering that shot. I distinctly like the BW better as it seems sharper and with more texture, although the light is gorgeous on the colour shot. -Adam Mike Hamilton wrote: I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) Enjoy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, David Savage wrote: On 1/11/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Of course I know that, Bob. I just used that term to get everyone's attention. Just living up to my reputation as a PITA. I like PITA bread sandwiches. Should I respond with Bite mine? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
Ken, Is it your feeling that theses rebated apply only to purchases directly from Pentax? I don't see them associated with a couple I checked at BH. Jack --- K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
List Owner
My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Occupations?
Hello Boris, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 2:36:48 PM, you wrote: BL Attila, Nowadays I try not to work overtime, to drink less coffe, take more photos and keep up with the list traffic:) BL This sounds awfully like a new year resolution to me ;-). Whoops, I wasn't even thinking it may sound like that before you pointed it out! Now I have to look for some fine quality green tea g. -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
On 11/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ So if Pentax is doing as well as everyone suggests why do they continuously resort to hideous rebate schemes? Why not just set appropriate prices? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
Shel Belinkoff wrote: My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? Shel It's easy to tell us apart. Doug is taller. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
At 10:16 PM +1300 1/11/07, David Mann wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:48 AM, Steve Sharpe wrote: I think it will only be visible from the southern hemisphere starting sometime after the 12th. http://skytonight.com/observing/home/5133461.html Thanks for the info. I was hoping the sky would be clear by then, but the 5-day forecast is rain all the way :( I saw it last night from work. Gorgeous! Tonight if it stays clear I'm going to try and photograph it. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
Hello Mike, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 7:31:14 AM, you wrote: MH I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am MH trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW MH conversions. MH Tell me what you think. MH http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 MH (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) MH Enjoy. MH -- MH -- MH Cheers, MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] MH MichaelHamilton.ca The BW version is much improved, sharper and with more visible detail, but the color version has a very nice moody light, so I can't say which one I like better. Maybe you should try to improve the color version also, the sharpening seems to be very different on that one. -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Could you post them? Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got some rather gory pictures here showing what happens when a black bear catches a man. It isn't pretty. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
On 1/11/07 9:07 AM, Jack Davis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it your feeling that theses rebated apply only to purchases directly from Pentax? I don't see them associated with a couple I checked at BH. http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ Jack, as far as I can see, this is just another rebate programme and applies to any purchase from legitimate retailer. I do not even know if Pentax make direct sale in U.S.A. I noticed that they have a tracking system now. It was just announced and it might show up in BH site soon. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
David Mann wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:42 PM, mike wilson wrote: Isn't that what the Apache said? My Apache keeps saying 404. At least I don't have an Oracle. I just wear a RedHat. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
On 1/11/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? Brewer -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
Mike Hamilton wrote: I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 I like the BW image better (better perceived sharpness and contrast). It almost has an IR look to it. Nice composition, regardless of BW or color. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
On 1/11/07 9:20 AM, Digital Image Studio, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Pentax is doing as well as everyone suggests why do they continuously resort to hideous rebate schemes? Why not just set appropriate prices? I thought you were claiming that they set the price deliberately low :-). Rebate programme is as common as dog sxxx in streets. Everybody does that for whatever reasons. So why question? :-). At least they are not jacking up the price. Perhaps K100D is now dated. One thing I am a bit worried about is a fair size rebate for 3 Limited musketeers. There has been a constant rumours of them being discontinued (I do not believe so, though), and I have yet to buy a 31mm. Otherwise, I do not care much about why they are doing a rebate programme. The cheaper, the better. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
On 1/11/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? After all these years, Shel? :-) Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
On 1/11/07 9:45 AM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise, I do not care much about why they are doing a rebate programme. The cheaper, the better. And so far, it is just Pentax U.S.A doing this for whatever reason. Wish they do this in Canada. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than the were 150 years ago. Even in the 1960's one could buy buffalo meat in some areas, Yellowstone National park has a fair number of the creatures, and even Golden Gate Park in San Francisco has a small herd. Buffalo meat is now widely available in supermarkets in various parts of the US. In the forty years since I first tasted the meat the availability has spread widely. Buffalo meat is quite tasty, lower in fat than beef, and lower in cholesterol than some beef and other meat, and is not treated with hormones and crap like so much of the beef cattle is. If you're a meat eater, try to find some and enjoy a taste. You may find it preferable to a lot of the beef that's on the market. Interesting note: In the movie Dances With Wolves there are scenes depicting large numbers of buffalo being hunted. Amongst, and perhaps leading that group, was a small herd owned by Neil Young, the Canadian musician. Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita While this is wildly OT (usually, title and the contents part each other in a matter of hours in this list :-), this is interesting history, but sorry, I got lost somewhere. Are bison now extinct (or near extinct) or just endangered specie? I thought I saw a lot of them in western movies in their hey days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
On 1/11/07 9:49 AM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And so far, it is just Pentax U.S.A doing this for whatever reason. Wish they do this in Canada. Because it is from January to March, which is traditionally slow period, Pentax Imaging U.S.A. may simply wish to move the products without many other reasons (or they overstocked). Nothing to read much into it, I am convinced. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
Nice, but not lovely, as the original image is. The color adds a lot to this shot. Rick --- Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) Enjoy. -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
Ken? Your name sounds familiar - do I know you? Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita On 1/11/07, Shel Belinkoff wrote: My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? After all these years, Shel? :-) Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
On 1/11/07 10:06 AM, Shel Belinkoff, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken? Your name sounds familiar - do I know you? OK, LOL :-) Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
Pentax does allow product purchases, but at higher price levels. I just checked the DA 12~24 and noted their $100 current rebate offer. Their starting price, $899. Jack --- K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/07 9:07 AM, Jack Davis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it your feeling that theses rebated apply only to purchases directly from Pentax? I don't see them associated with a couple I checked at BH. http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ Jack, as far as I can see, this is just another rebate programme and applies to any purchase from legitimate retailer. I do not even know if Pentax make direct sale in U.S.A. I noticed that they have a tracking system now. It was just announced and it might show up in BH site soon. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Ken? Your name sounds familiar - do I know you? Shel My old friend Paul Klingenstein used to say that one of the advantages of getting old is that you meet new people every day. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
You will also find them in healthy numbers in Catalina Island, off the coast of Los Angeles. Hollywood put them there for movies also, now they are a tourist attraction and occasionally attack the wierd buses that take tourists up the road. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than the were 150 years ago. Even in the 1960's one could buy buffalo meat in some areas, Yellowstone National park has a fair number of the creatures, and even Golden Gate Park in San Francisco has a small herd. Buffalo meat is now widely available in supermarkets in various parts of the US. In the forty years since I first tasted the meat the availability has spread widely. Buffalo meat is quite tasty, lower in fat than beef, and lower in cholesterol than some beef and other meat, and is not treated with hormones and crap like so much of the beef cattle is. If you're a meat eater, try to find some and enjoy a taste. You may find it preferable to a lot of the beef that's on the market. Interesting note: In the movie Dances With Wolves there are scenes depicting large numbers of buffalo being hunted. Amongst, and perhaps leading that group, was a small herd owned by Neil Young, the Canadian musician. Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita While this is wildly OT (usually, title and the contents part each other in a matter of hours in this list :-), this is interesting history, but sorry, I got lost somewhere. Are bison now extinct (or near extinct) or just endangered specie? I thought I saw a lot of them in western movies in their hey days. -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
Let's put it more bluntly, this is a Pentax Camera list. The photography techniques are somewhat off-topic, and the photo-aesthetic stuff is completely off topic and actually belongs on some other list. The PDML has always been very tolerant of off-topic posts, but the suggestion that the on-topic stuff should be eliminated because someone is not interested in it is so far out it is rather humorous. -graywolf Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, let me then amend my post: I think he's more a technician than a photographer concerned with the aesthetics and creativity involved in photographing a subject. I believe Mr.Papanfuss has stated that as well, at least to some degree. Further - and this just may be me - I don't recall ever seeing any of his photographs posted here, although he does talk a lot of technical stuff. I guess given that it's a photographic list in which the participants have essentially come together on the basis of a brand of equipment then you have to expect a reasonable amount of purely technical discussion. If it were a street shooters list I'd expect the technical content to be less prevalent, though it may not be the case. And IMHO the fact that someone elects not to share their images with the list shouldn't deny them the label of photographer. There could be hundreds of reasons why it's not appropriate or it could be down to simple a lack of confidence. IMO, one may record a scene and be considered a photographer by some - and maybe just holding a camera and pushing the button makes one a photographer - but I think there's more to it than that, that some creativity beyond just recording a scene and looking for an accurate color reproduction contributes to the making of a photographer. But then, I have often been called an elitist snob Consider St Ansel, his style of technical picture making quite easily fits your criterion of what you may allude to as a not necessarily a photographer, however as you know for some that would be a near blasphemous suggestion :-) Of course, Rob, you're very technically oriented, and might that not color your opinions just as my limited technical expertise may color mine? I generally strive to manage to produce images that may be interesting to myself and potentially an audience and so I obviously have to consider the artsy side of the equation whilst capturing the image. However the areas of image making that I have control over I like to exercise full control over. I can't understand why anyone who has made a great effort to capture an image wouldn't wish to ensure that it was treated optimally throughout the remainder of the image making process should it be viable for them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I believe that Montana has had to initiate a bison hunting season to thin the herd. As expected, these creatures do quite well in their native habitat. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than the were 150 years ago. Even in the 1960's one could buy buffalo meat in some areas, Yellowstone National park has a fair number of the creatures, and even Golden Gate Park in San Francisco has a small herd. Buffalo meat is now widely available in supermarkets in various parts of the US. In the forty years since I first tasted the meat the availability has spread widely. Buffalo meat is quite tasty, lower in fat than beef, and lower in cholesterol than some beef and other meat, and is not treated with hormones and crap like so much of the beef cattle is. If you're a meat eater, try to find some and enjoy a taste. You may find it preferable to a lot of the beef that's on the market. Interesting note: In the movie Dances With Wolves there are scenes depicting large numbers of buffalo being hunted. Amongst, and perhaps leading that group, was a small herd owned by Neil Young, the Canadian musician. Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita While this is wildly OT (usually, title and the contents part each other in a matter of hours in this list :-), this is interesting history, but sorry, I got lost somewhere. Are bison now extinct (or near extinct) or just endangered specie? I thought I saw a lot of them in western movies in their hey days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
Mr Brewer is a rather nice guy in person, and nowhere near as taciturn as he is here on the list grin. Shel Belinkoff wrote: My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
They sell direct, but only limited items it seems. K.Takeshita wrote: On 1/11/07 9:07 AM, Jack Davis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it your feeling that theses rebated apply only to purchases directly from Pentax? I don't see them associated with a couple I checked at BH. http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ Jack, as far as I can see, this is just another rebate programme and applies to any purchase from legitimate retailer. I do not even know if Pentax make direct sale in U.S.A. I noticed that they have a tracking system now. It was just announced and it might show up in BH site soon. Ken -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
Their message is: Have you got the K100D (or K10D)? Now please buy genuine lenses and accessories (and keep me healthy). I understand they're mainly trying to get customers hooked. However, one should have plenty of products to sell, which I'm not sure is currently applicable to Pentax. I think they are increasing their manufacturing capabilities alongside such rebate strategy. That could make sense. Cheers, Dario - Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Pentax rebate programme started On 11/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ So if Pentax is doing as well as everyone suggests why do they continuously resort to hideous rebate schemes? Why not just set appropriate prices? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
LOL J --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Ken? Your name sounds familiar - do I know you? Shel My old friend Paul Klingenstein used to say that one of the advantages of getting old is that you meet new people every day. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax rebate programme started
Marketing. Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/rebates_offers/ So if Pentax is doing as well as everyone suggests why do they continuously resort to hideous rebate schemes? Why not just set appropriate prices? -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Off to Florida
Have a great trip. Looking forward to seeing some photos. On 1/11/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leaving tonight to visit my brother in Ocala, Florida for a few days. Hoping to do some photography for the first time in a *long* while. (Man, this college professor sh*t is time consuming! And school starts again on Tuesday.) So anyway... I'm taking the K10D, four Ltd lenses (21, 31, 43, 77) and the 80-200/2.8. Can't justify the size/weight of a 300/2.8 for this trip so I'm gonna take the 1.7x teleconverter to use with the 80-200 if I need something long. Hope to bring back some photos. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
Where and when was that suggested, and by whom? Shel [Original Message] From: graywolf Let's put it more bluntly, this is a Pentax Camera list. The photography techniques are somewhat off-topic, and the photo-aesthetic stuff is completely off topic and actually belongs on some other list. The PDML has always been very tolerant of off-topic posts, but the suggestion that the on-topic stuff should be eliminated because someone is not interested in it is so far out it is rather humorous. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Boz asking for help...
...to update the look of his K-mount page: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21622924 Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)
Digital Image Studio wrote: Mmm, there's nothing quite like an active banana! Damn! We're not even two weeks into the new year and the 2007 quotations list is well on its way! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Circles of Man
I drive by Lucky Peak Lake on the way to work every day. It's a reservoir that is filled in the spring/summer and then the water is released in the fall. People take their 4wd pickups, dirt bikes, and ATV's down in the bottom once the water's gone. What you're seeing is tire tracks in the mud, that have filled with snow and ice. I'm probably 200 feet above it at the time of taking the picture. Thanks for the comments. Tom C. From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Circles of Man Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:14:31 +1300 On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I like it--but what is it?? Tom's built a particle accelerator in his back yard. I think he's found the Higgs Boson. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
Thanks to all of you! The original photo was taken a year ago, and my PP has improved a lot since then. I honestly think that I didn't apply any USM to the original image. I have done so on the BW conversion, and it's obviously helped. This will be one of the images that I use for the show that I have planned this year. Mike On 1/11/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice, but not lovely, as the original image is. The color adds a lot to this shot. Rick --- Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) Enjoy. -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PAW 2007 - 01 - GDG
Very efficient composition, and you have treated the water reflections very well. I can smell the city, in a moment I will hear wet sound of wheels from the cars coming towards me too. But you need to clean up the sky. The grains are eating up the flag and the lamp poles, and the edges of the buildings. That's distracting. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 11. januar 2007 00:51 To: DUG; PDML List; PAW; SeePhoto Talk Subject: PAW 2007 - 01 - GDG I am still behind getting the rest of the 2006 weeks posted, but I'm almost recovered from my trip to Nashville TN and thought I should *start* 2007. Frankly, I was sick with a stomach flu most of the time I was there and took only a few photos. I like this street scene but didn't have the energy or chance to try to do it better. The Pentax K10D's water proofing did come in handy ... http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/01.htm The contrast range was extreme so I expected noise in sky and shadows at ISO 800 ... In the full resolution version going to a print, it's quite nice with a deep, grainy appeal, and I think it's ok on the small one. The half-rez scaling did a bit of ugliness to it. Anyway, although it's not the only picture I have from the week to post, it's the one that's most appealing to me in a pictorial way right now. I will likely do some more renderings ... there are some rather more 'processed' versions that I am beginning to like. ;-) Comments, critique, tomatoslinging all happily appreciated. enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Only in England (revisited)
On 1/11/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/01/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, not: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6230629.stm Mmm, there's nothing quite like an active banana! I think I've downloaded that movie. Dave :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
I think ~you~ are getting the Doug's confused... Norm graywolf wrote: Mr Brewer is a rather nice guy in person, and nowhere near as taciturn as he is here on the list grin. Shel Belinkoff wrote: My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?
Hi John, On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:06:40 -0500, John Francis wrote: There's a zip file, with sources, for anyone who wants it at: http://www.pdml.us/raw/ShowTags.zip OK, got it ... I've built and tested the program on Windows and on Linux, so it should be straightforward to build it for other platforms. Compiled it without any modifications for the OS/2 (or eCS :-) platform. using the OpenWatcom C++ compiler Works just fine. I was pleasantly surprised that it supports K10D compressed PEF, as well as uncompressed ANF compressed DNG files! Noticed a weird Lens-identicfication issue though, in mis-interprets the lens-ID for the DA-21mm, lists it as the DA 16-45mm instead. The code for the lens is listed as 07F4 (7 244 decimal) which is indeed listed in the HTML table I have as being the DA 16-45 However, the DA 16-45 is ALSO listed as 04FE (4 254) while the DA 21mm is listed there as 04F4 (4 244) Perhaps the 07F4 really is the DA21mm and 07FE would be 16-45 ? Otherwise, great program for further study of the RAW info! (unfortunately, the MakerNotes are not preserved when creating a JPG, otherwise it would be easy to display the lensname on a website automatically using some PHP code :-) Regards, JvW PS: I could send you the output for some images made with the DA 21mm if you want to dig into the details ... -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
On 1/11/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Hamilton wrote: Thanks to all of you! The original photo was taken a year ago, and my PP has improved a lot since then. I don't think I want to see this photo. Haha! Don't worry, I'll preface those sorts of photos with NSFW... ;) -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
Mike Hamilton wrote: Thanks to all of you! The original photo was taken a year ago, and my PP has improved a lot since then. I don't think I want to see this photo. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - American Fence
Hi- I'm not sure where this thread is going, thought I'd do a test posting on an account I just set up. Bison are fairly common in the parts of northern Canada. In the Northwest Territories, there are significant free-ranging herds near the communities of Fort Providence and Fort Liard. Encounters between vehicles and bison are commonplace. The critters are also free to roam in the communities themselves. Range of the herds is expanding. Many years ago I went cross-country skiing among herds of bison in a national park quite regularly. They simply ignored me. Anyhow, here's the link to a shot I did a couple of years ago. A common sight along certain NWT highways- a small herd crossing the road. (It's really easy to get close to the critters if you stay in your car and approach slowly.) http://picasaweb.google.com/Gabriolaphoto/JohnPoirierPentaxImages/photo#5018 825172355102226 John Poirier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 11, 2007 8:25 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence I believe that Montana has had to initiate a bison hunting season to thin the herd. As expected, these creatures do quite well in their native habitat. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than the were 150 years ago. Even in the 1960's one could buy buffalo meat in some areas, Yellowstone National park has a fair number of the creatures, and even Golden Gate Park in San Francisco has a small herd. Buffalo meat is now widely available in supermarkets in various parts of the US. In the forty years since I first tasted the meat the availability has spread widely. Buffalo meat is quite tasty, lower in fat than beef, and lower in cholesterol than some beef and other meat, and is not treated with hormones and crap like so much of the beef cattle is. If you're a meat eater, try to find some and enjoy a taste. You may find it preferable to a lot of the beef that's on the market. Interesting note: In the movie Dances With Wolves there are scenes depicting large numbers of buffalo being hunted. Amongst, and perhaps leading that group, was a small herd owned by Neil Young, the Canadian musician. Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita While this is wildly OT (usually, title and the contents part each other in a matter of hours in this list :-), this is interesting history, but sorry, I got lost somewhere. Are bison now extinct (or near extinct) or just endangered specie? I thought I saw a lot of them in western movies in their hey days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
On Jan 11, 2007, at 8:23, Steve Sharpe wrote: I saw it last night from work. Gorgeous! Clouds in the West last night... Clouds in the East this morning. Aaaargh! I want to see it too. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
Weather here has just been plain wrong to see it, low clouds on the horizon before dawn yesterday and snow today, and I would have a great view. Tomorrow AM is supposed to be mostly sunny though... Tom C. From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO? Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:48:34 -0600 On Jan 11, 2007, at 8:23, Steve Sharpe wrote: I saw it last night from work. Gorgeous! Clouds in the West last night... Clouds in the East this morning. Aaaargh! I want to see it too. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
graywolf wrote: Mr Brewer is a rather nice guy in person, and nowhere near as taciturn as he is here on the list grin. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 06:04:42PM +0100, Jan van Wijk wrote: Hi John, On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:06:40 -0500, John Francis wrote: There's a zip file, with sources, for anyone who wants it at: http://www.pdml.us/raw/ShowTags.zip Compiled it without any modifications for the OS/2 (or eCS :-) platform. using the OpenWatcom C++ compiler Works just fine. Good. I thought I knew how to write platform-independent portable code by now, but it's nice to receive independent confirmation. I was pleasantly surprised that it supports K10D compressed PEF, as well as uncompressed AND compressed DNG files! The compression only affects the layout of the actual raw sensor data, not the metadata, so that really shouldn't be too much of a surprise; ShowTags is only looking at the metadata. I haven't yet looked at a compressed PEF from the K10D, but I suppose one of these days I'll have to see if I can reverse-engineer their compression algorithm. But that can wait until I want to play with the actual image data. One thing I haven't checked is whether I got things totally right for PEFs from the K10D. The low-numbered tags in the MakerNote will be fine, but it's possible that I got the data offset wrong. Could you take a look at the BlackPoint/WhitePoint tags (tag codes 512 and 513) in one of your files, and see if they look reasonable? The BlackPoint should be an array of four small numbers (either zero or 127/128), and the white point should be four numbers somewhere around 8192 (except the first one is more likely to be something like 12000). Noticed a weird Lens-identicfication issue though, in mis-interprets the lens-ID for the DA-21mm, lists it as the DA 16-45mm instead. The code for the lens is listed as 07F4 (7 244 decimal) which is indeed listed in the HTML table I have as being the DA 16-45 However, the DA 16-45 is ALSO listed as 04FE (4 254) while the DA 21mm is listed there as 04F4 (4 244) Perhaps the 07F4 really is the DA21mm and 07FE would be 16-45 ? That sounds plausible. Perhaps some other DA21 (and DA 16-45) owners could provide a little more supporting information? Otherwise, great program for further study of the RAW info! (unfortunately, the MakerNotes are not preserved when creating a JPG, otherwise it would be easy to display the lensname on a website automatically using some PHP code :-) That depends on the program you use to create the JPEG - I'm sure some image editors will preserve all tags from the EXIF IFD. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I just had some buffalo chilli and it was great! -Brendan --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than the were 150 years ago. Even in the 1960's one could buy buffalo meat in some areas, Yellowstone National park has a fair number of the creatures, and even Golden Gate Park in San Francisco has a small herd. Buffalo meat is now widely available in supermarkets in various parts of the US. In the forty years since I first tasted the meat the availability has spread widely. Buffalo meat is quite tasty, lower in fat than beef, and lower in cholesterol than some beef and other meat, and is not treated with hormones and crap like so much of the beef cattle is. If you're a meat eater, try to find some and enjoy a taste. You may find it preferable to a lot of the beef that's on the market. Interesting note: In the movie Dances With Wolves there are scenes depicting large numbers of buffalo being hunted. Amongst, and perhaps leading that group, was a small herd owned by Neil Young, the Canadian musician. Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita While this is wildly OT (usually, title and the contents part each other in a matter of hours in this list :-), this is interesting history, but sorry, I got lost somewhere. Are bison now extinct (or near extinct) or just endangered specie? I thought I saw a lot of them in western movies in their hey days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
???! -Brendan --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Like I said before, even if some anthropologist comes across evidence of the most brutal tribe in the history of man, They already have. I won't be swayed on my belief that Native Americans were a remarkable people. Besides, looking at such things now with modern eyes ... Or with rose-colored glasses? Yes, it's better to ignore the scientific evidence and instead subscribe to the popular PC myths. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
You're not the only one... Doug Brewer wrote: Mike Hamilton wrote: Thanks to all of you! The original photo was taken a year ago, and my PP has improved a lot since then. I don't think I want to see this photo. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO-- Reworking an old image
I like it Mike. It's a simple and pleasing composition. I like the contrast as well. Tom C. From: Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO-- Reworking an old image Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:31:14 -0700 I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) Enjoy. -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Responses (for the last time) are interspersed below - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Ken, I see what you're saying. Or at least I hope I do. However the phrase I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their country with them., I should have elaborated stated I detest their efforts to bring their country ( customs) with them enforce them on the rest of us. which I guess you remember, evidently can be understood in more than one way. I am very much willing to accept that the way I understood it was wrong. More below. Enjoy your celebrate your heritage cultural values, but I don't want (not specifically you Boris) you to impose your cultural values on me. I won't. Why would I want to impose on you anything except the laws of your own country should I find that you break them? Perhaps if you lived in the U.S. of A you'd feel different if you experienced things here. But then again, if you come to visit my house expect to see things done my way which of course is *not* going to be designed to offend you in any possible way. It's your house you should be able to do what you want - within reason. If I find something there offensive I can either keep my mouth shut, tell you about it or leave. I do apologize profoundly, but I am both Jewish and Russian, and neither of which I am going to be willing to abandon in any foreseeable future. If you thought that I implied that you're wrong. Good, then you and I are definitely on the same side of the dispute here. I think if this was a face to face conversation we would have already moved on to other things - in other word we both would have seen the other side's view before now. I should also say that I am very surprised to see how much mutual intolerance there is among the members of this very friendly community should it touch the national symbols and citizenship. Is a discussion of viewpoints really intolerance? Have I abused someone on this list? I have had a private off-list conversation with another list member who also participated in this thread. He seems to agree with my point of view. Again, it definitely could be that you, Ken, did not express intolerance, but generally I stand by what I am saying. Folks, the world is diverse. It is so for the reason. So let us not try to force the same suit on everyone. Do you really think I was trying to do that. America is a melting pot or whatever is the name. So everyone who comes in *is supposed* to melt and transform to something different. I find it rather poor approach. Whether you find it a poor appproach or not, that is the way it was in the U. S. of A. Apart from differences in language it seems that you and I have great many things in common though. Which is a good thing, I say. Same here. Cheers! And of course I'd be glad to shake your hand in person or otherwise on the list ;-). I hope I get the opportunity! Boris Now we both should go and take some images. Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:40:10 -0800 (PST) I just had some buffalo chilli and it was great! -Brendan Yeah, but you covered up the taste of the buffalo. BTW, I had Buffalo Wings recently. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Bob, Bob Sullivan wrote: I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids would have been met with a loaded gun. Regards, Bob S. Some years ago Solzhenitzin (never mind the spelling) produced a book called (Russians and Jews,) Two Hundred Years Together. It was written like a historical kind of work. You know with references and all such. I read the first volume. I decided to keep away from the second. In simple words, this work is basis for so called intellectual anti-semitism where the anti-semite does not just say that he or she despises Jews, but rather gives very thorough, intellectual, logical proof why this is the right thing to do. Since then, I have very little sentiment for the man. Just to make sure this little detail is known to the list. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Done right they taste like buffalo chili. Tom C wrote: From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:40:10 -0800 (PST) I just had some buffalo chilli and it was great! -Brendan Yeah, but you covered up the taste of the buffalo. BTW, I had Buffalo Wings recently. Tom C. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO-- Reworking an old image
Nice Mike. Both color B+W. Only nit I have is I'd like to see a little more space between the trees the L R edges of the image. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO-- Reworking an old image I've been lacking inspiration or motivation these days, and so I am trying to re-work older images. Also trying to improve my BW conversions. Tell me what you think. http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=162 (original image located at http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/?p=62) Enjoy. -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I heard you once had a Mohawk. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:42 PM, mike wilson wrote: Isn't that what the Apache said? My Apache keeps saying 404. At least I don't have an Oracle. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
200+ Megapixels
in the very same picture. http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misc/200mpix.jpg BR, Margus :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?
Hi John, On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:18:03 -0500, John Francis wrote: Compiled it without any modifications for the OS/2 (or eCS :-) platform. using the OpenWatcom C++ compiler Works just fine. Good. I thought I knew how to write platform-independent portable code by now, but it's nice to receive independent confirmation. :-) I was pleasantly surprised that it supports K10D compressed PEF, as well as uncompressed AND compressed DNG files! The compression only affects the layout of the actual raw sensor data, not the metadata, so that really shouldn't be too much of a surprise; OK, did not know that ... snip One thing I haven't checked is whether I got things totally right for PEFs from the K10D. The low-numbered tags in the MakerNote will be fine, but it's possible that I got the data offset wrong. Could you take a look at the BlackPoint/WhitePoint tags (tag codes 512 and 513) in one of your files, and see if they look reasonable? The BlackPoint should be an array of four small numbers (either zero or 127/128), and the white point should be four numbers somewhere around 8192 (except the first one is more likely to be something like 12000). That looks fine to me, I checked all three (PEF, DNG compressed DNG) and they all are in the expected range. This is from the compressed PEF: MakerNote: BlackPoint512 3 4 @0x06FC 0 0 0 0 MakerNote: WhitePoint513 3 4 @0x0704 13312 8192 8192 9568 I have that original PEF file, together with the ShowTags output for that and two DNG files (11 megs total !) for download at: http://www.dfsee.com/download/k10dpef.zip snip (unfortunately, the MakerNotes are not preserved when creating a JPG, otherwise it would be easy to display the lensname on a website automatically using some PHP code :-) That depends on the program you use to create the JPEG - I'm sure some image editors will preserve all tags from the EXIF IFD. Well, perhaps I did not search enough, it may be there. I just tried to use 'ShowTags' on a JPG and it did not display anything :-) I am using Photoshop CS2 by the way, not the 'save for web' since that strips everything but a a regular 'save as' and then select JPG as output. The EXIF info is there, and perhaps the MakerNote is somewhere to be found too, will investigate that if I find some time ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Circles of Man
Great ! For a minute I thought you said bosoms. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - Circles of Man This list has way too much education. I haven't thought about bosons for years... Bob S. On 1/11/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I like it--but what is it?? Tom's built a particle accelerator in his back yard. I think he's found the Higgs Boson. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
Its JCO isn't it? ;+) Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: List Owner My apologies to all as I frequently get Doug Brewer and Doug Franklin mixed up - which is the list owner? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but........(update)
Ah, but I'm only showing you the shots that worked :-) Shh - that's a secret. Only show what you believe is your best work. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but(update) Ah, but I'm only showing you the shots that worked :-) I shot seven or more rolls of film that day at the animal park, and at least that many on almost all of the motorsports weekends. On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:05:12PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: I'd say not only is the lens pretty good but your technique is great to get what you got in those situations. Well done! Kenneth Waller (owner of a 600mmFA who's aware of some of the issues of successfully using a big lens.) - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but(update) On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 09:38:08AM +1000, jim wrote: Have found a site that has for sale several new lens for sale such as Pentax - SMC P-A 15mm F3.5 Lens for $3.146 aus Pentax - SMC P-A 50mm F1.2 Lens for $1.582 aus Pentax - SMC P-FA 250-600mm F5.6 ED IF Lens for $17.925 aus Are these prices about right? The finance and pleasure minister will need to approve first, tho she would like the long zoom just as much as i would The big zoom lists for around $12,000 US, with street prices in the region of $8000 US. It's a monster of a lens: http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap615.jpg (that's a PZ-1p hanging off the back of it, for a size check) but it certainly produces the results: http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap313.jpg http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap413.jpg or, for a change of pace: http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/FatAlbert.jpg The last two were taken with a *ist D; the others on film. The CityStreets shot was taken at 250; FatAlbert at 600. See also http://www.panix.com/~johnf/digital/250-600.html I was fortunate enough to be browsing this list a few years ago[1] when somebody mentioned that Charlotte Camera had a used 250-600 being listed at a mere $3200. Five minutes later I posted a followup message saying they didn't have one any longer. In the intervening years I've only seen one other used one being offered, and that went for something like $4000. [1] From the modified dates on those files, apparently it was back in 1999. That's somewhat more than a few years ago! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I've got some rather gory pictures here showing what happens when a black bear catches a man. It isn't pretty. Yeah, but are they artsy? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Could you post them? Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got some rather gory pictures here showing what happens when a black bear catches a man. It isn't pretty. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
For once you are correct! Let's get back on topic and start talking about guns, flags, health insurance and the general inferiority of the Canadian public. Norm J. C. O'Connell wrote: ...or he wouldnt have posted a bunch of unrelated stuff like optical quality, plastic, rubber, 50mms only, autofocus lenses, etc. All that is not even on topic. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
I thought this was a Pentax and all things photo related list. (I'm going to take out an insurance policy on my camera before I take a picture of my gun wrapped in a Canadian flag) Norm graywolf wrote: Let's put it more bluntly, this is a Pentax Camera list. The photography techniques are somewhat off-topic, and the photo-aesthetic stuff is completely off topic and actually belongs on some other list. The PDML has always been very tolerant of off-topic posts, but the suggestion that the on-topic stuff should be eliminated because someone is not interested in it is so far out it is rather humorous. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
It's true. The wing is the best part of the buffalo. -Brendan --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:40:10 -0800 (PST) I just had some buffalo chilli and it was great! -Brendan Yeah, but you covered up the taste of the buffalo. BTW, I had Buffalo Wings recently. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I saw the pic and can tell you that it was very creatively and artistically photographed, but it is not for publication on this forum based on previously posted pics. I'd like to have seen it in BW and with a tighter crop LOL. Cloning the legs and head back in place would have improved the symmetry, as would removing the coroner's gloved hand. Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller I've got some rather gory pictures here showing what happens when a black bear catches a man. It isn't pretty. Yeah, but are they artsy? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)
The lists name is PDML not PCDML. So in my book Pentax photography (photography techniques and photo philosophy) is on topic. General photography is also on topic as long as what is discussed can be related to Pentax photography. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've only been here a year and a half. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 11. januar 2007 16:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) Let's put it more bluntly, this is a Pentax Camera list. The photography techniques are somewhat off-topic, and the photo-aesthetic stuff is completely off topic and actually belongs on some other list. The PDML has always been very tolerant of off-topic posts, but the suggestion that the on-topic stuff should be eliminated because someone is not interested in it is so far out it is rather humorous. -graywolf Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, let me then amend my post: I think he's more a technician than a photographer concerned with the aesthetics and creativity involved in photographing a subject. I believe Mr.Papanfuss has stated that as well, at least to some degree. Further - and this just may be me - I don't recall ever seeing any of his photographs posted here, although he does talk a lot of technical stuff. I guess given that it's a photographic list in which the participants have essentially come together on the basis of a brand of equipment then you have to expect a reasonable amount of purely technical discussion. If it were a street shooters list I'd expect the technical content to be less prevalent, though it may not be the case. And IMHO the fact that someone elects not to share their images with the list shouldn't deny them the label of photographer. There could be hundreds of reasons why it's not appropriate or it could be down to simple a lack of confidence. IMO, one may record a scene and be considered a photographer by some - and maybe just holding a camera and pushing the button makes one a photographer - but I think there's more to it than that, that some creativity beyond just recording a scene and looking for an accurate color reproduction contributes to the making of a photographer. But then, I have often been called an elitist snob Consider St Ansel, his style of technical picture making quite easily fits your criterion of what you may allude to as a not necessarily a photographer, however as you know for some that would be a near blasphemous suggestion :-) Of course, Rob, you're very technically oriented, and might that not color your opinions just as my limited technical expertise may color mine? I generally strive to manage to produce images that may be interesting to myself and potentially an audience and so I obviously have to consider the artsy side of the equation whilst capturing the image. However the areas of image making that I have control over I like to exercise full control over. I can't understand why anyone who has made a great effort to capture an image wouldn't wish to ensure that it was treated optimally throughout the remainder of the image making process should it be viable for them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: List Owner
On 1/11/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its JCO isn't it? ;+) Kenneth Waller Some days. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
200+ Megapixels
Am I missing something ?? Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 200+ Megapixels
Yes. -- Original message -- From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something ?? Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
On 11/1/07, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: Correct me if I'm wrong. I've only been here a year and a half. Wow, seems more like ten. ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Cotty wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong. I've only been here a year and a half. Wow, seems more like ten. ... [ka ching!] I've been here two years but I think it's aged me ten. Those who have been here for 8 years are probably over one hundred now, it's an e^x function ... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
New Canon to offer non-Bayer sensor?
What do you list techies think about this: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032message=21590547 It's an open secret that Canon has a new DSLR to be introduced for the PMA show, which means late February/early March. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - American Fence
We have buffalo roaming in Britain too. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 11 January 2007 15:00 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than the were 150 years ago. Even in the 1960's one could buy buffalo meat in some areas, Yellowstone National park has a fair number of the creatures, and even Golden Gate Park in San Francisco has a small herd. Buffalo meat is now widely available in supermarkets in various parts of the US. In the forty years since I first tasted the meat the availability has spread widely. Buffalo meat is quite tasty, lower in fat than beef, and lower in cholesterol than some beef and other meat, and is not treated with hormones and crap like so much of the beef cattle is. If you're a meat eater, try to find some and enjoy a taste. You may find it preferable to a lot of the beef that's on the market. Interesting note: In the movie Dances With Wolves there are scenes depicting large numbers of buffalo being hunted. Amongst, and perhaps leading that group, was a small herd owned by Neil Young, the Canadian musician. Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita While this is wildly OT (usually, title and the contents part each other in a matter of hours in this list :-), this is interesting history, but sorry, I got lost somewhere. Are bison now extinct (or near extinct) or just endangered specie? I thought I saw a lot of them in western movies in their hey days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Why we like Pentax in Norway?
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m265/dagthrane/_IGP0546K10D-vin.jpg So, should I drink it or wait some years before I sell it on ebay? I think I´ll go for the first option .-) Seriously, service was the reason why I didn´t switch years ago. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
Shouldn't that be Aaagh, bite mine matey! (opps, sorry, that was another thread) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, David Savage wrote: On 1/11/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Of course I know that, Bob. I just used that term to get everyone's attention. Just living up to my reputation as a PITA. I like PITA bread sandwiches. Should I respond with Bite mine? Bob -- Refinance Fast and Save! Free Quote Lower your rate, payment, and save. Free quotes from up to 4 lenders. http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/MhtYWUi3nBga2giJylt64slkKApSmAGJFmWNs/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
If you followed the post you would have known I was reffering only to the mechanical qualities of these lenses and his reply rebuttal post was about just about everything else. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norm Baugher Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 For once you are correct! Let's get back on topic and start talking about guns, flags, health insurance and the general inferiority of the Canadian public. Norm J. C. O'Connell wrote: ...or he wouldnt have posted a bunch of unrelated stuff like optical quality, plastic, rubber, 50mms only, autofocus lenses, etc. All that is not even on topic. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
