Re: PESO - Near Cannonville, Utah

[Bruce Dayton]

Here I grew up in Utah and have never heard of that town.  I do know
about Kodachrome basin, though, thanks to Bill Robb.

Interesting shot - somewhat reminds me of a couple of Joseph
Tainter's shots.  Are you considering a little series with this one
or just the one?

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:09:35 PM, you wrote:

DB> Taken a week or so ago in Utah, close to where we camped in  
DB> Kodachrome Basin:

DB> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=255

DB> thanks,

DB> Doug





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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Doug Franklin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think a big part of it is a change in the mindset of the
> "photographically aware", if you'll allow me a neologism.

Doug, I think that the age of film and the post-film era are separated
by rather large and definitely not to be neglected hybrid period where
people would scan their films (at home) and invoke PhotoShop.

> ... You can't switch from a roll
> of Provia to a roll of Kodacolor, but you can use different filters in
> post (processing).

Well, actually even with my MZ-6 it is doable, though laborious and
mildly unpleasant.

Of course arrival of very affordable high quality DSLRs changed the
world. But I still think that impact of this change on the community
such as PDML is greatly overestimated.


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Re: PESO - Near Cannonville, Utah

[Scott Loveless]

Doug Brewer wrote:
> Taken a week or so ago in Utah, close to where we camped in  
> Kodachrome Basin:
> 
> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=255
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
Very nice, Doug.  Did you shoot any Kodachrome while you were there?

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PESO - Near Cannonville, Utah

[Doug Brewer]

Taken a week or so ago in Utah, close to where we camped in  
Kodachrome Basin:

http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=255

thanks,

Doug


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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Doug Franklin]

Boris Liberman wrote:
> Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you.

I think a big part of it is a change in the mindset of the 
"photographically aware", if you'll allow me a neologism.

In the "age of film", the primary differences in captured quality 
occurred due to the film and glass chosen, given equal exposures, and 
ignoring all of the fancy stuff you could do /after/ you captured the 
original image, a la Saint Ansel, if you were an acolyte or a masochist 
or a perfectionist.

It the /post-film/ world, we've added the variable(s) of the camera body 
and sensor, since that aggregation roughly approximates the film+body 
situation /pre digitalis/.  In the "digital world", you can't just 
change film, but you can invoke Photoshop.  You can't switch from a roll 
of Provia to a roll of Kodacolor, but you can use different filters in 
post (processing).

But, I think the defining part of the equation is economic as much as it 
is technologic ... people view digital cameras through the same 
"price-performance-Moore's Law" "lens" that they use for computers.  I 
don't think that same psycho-dymamic is at play with film cameras, in 
large part due to the explicit and irreconcilable separation of the 
capture medium (film) and the capture "vehicle" (camera) that no longer 
exists with digital capture.

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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Christine Aguila]

From: "Jaume Lahuerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
>agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.

Jaume: No doubt you know it's a little dangerous to speak for other people. 
For the record, I'm extremely happy (not resigned) with my Pentax equipment.

>The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints 
>about present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have 
>faith in that their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look 
>for othe places to keep dreaming.

Yes, it's lots of fun to spend time dreaming about future camera features, 
and I even do this from time to time, but time spent dreaming about the 
perfect camera needs to be tempered with reality--the reality of the 
features that are included in the camera one currently owns (can aford to 
own) and what one can do with those features to make the best pictures 
possible.  For me, the camera is a wonderous tool merging art and 
science--and I think Pentax equipment has produced some beautiful 
photography.  Check out the Pentax Photo Gallery.  I know there have been 
complaints about the voting et al, but a good portion of the stuff that has 
been accepted into the gallery is beautiful--and a good many of the folks on 
this list have made beautiful pictures that have been accepted into the 
gallery--despite the camera feature complaints.  I'm not suggesting that 
photography is only about the final image:  in my view, it's not. 
Photography is, in equal measure, about the camera/equipment and the 
photographer's technique to produce a beautiful final image--thus, I'm glad 
this list talks, complains, dreams about old and future Pentax equipment as 
well as post PESOs & GESOs (and WRT the OTs:  do you really expect all 
humans to stay on-topic all the time.  I've never met a human being like 
that.)  If it was only about the equipment, I probably wouldn't have 
subscribed last December--I am a newcomer to the list.  As to faith about 
Pentax being "able to fight in the premier league", well, the good common 
sense I find on this list helps to sustain my faith in Pentax.


>The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
>friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and 
>convince new pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say 
>that there are far less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used 
>to have). And it is a pitty since I don't think that this is true at all 
>but that people here is really helpful.

I don't view this list as a "closed group."  Instead, I recognize that the 
folks on this list have been friends for many years, and any newbie is going 
to be the new kid on the block when they first subscribe.  And I've found 
everyone welcoming and helpful.  I do, however, don't ask as many novice 
questions as I'd like because if I asked every single question I wanted to 
ask I would present myself as such a pest ;-).  I do recognize people have 
limits to their degrees of helpfulness and politeness.

> No more bloody fights

I'm sure those fights had some kind of entertainment value for you, but for 
myself, I don't find them necessary.

Christine 



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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Boris Liberman]

Jaume, I most respectfully disagree with you.

Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't
> fully agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.

I am happy. I am still wishing for more, but I am pretty happy. I cannot 
talk for others though.

> The consequence is that thread about future features and/or
> complaints about present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers
> that still have faith in that their brand will be able to fight in
> the premier league look for other places to keep dreaming.

I think that future features complaint thread is no longer popular 
because in fact, the things that we're wishing are limited in numbers 
(no pun here) and they've been discussed many times over.

Further, in general, Pentax seems to be listening. I am really content 
with my K10D. I am so content that I will buy a new body either if 
(knock on wood of my head) mine breaks down or if a FF body that I can 
afford comes out. I don't suppose that we're on the brink of great 
revolution regarding the sensor design. As a photographic tool K10D is 
just about perfect.

> So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other
> thanks to their (current or past) relation with Pentax now share
> their pictures and have a good time talking about things related (or
> not) to photography. Yes, sometimes there is some equipment chat, but
> it is not the majority anymore.

I for one, admit that one of my favorite past times is to look through 
PESOs and read/write comments about them. I must admit that 
unfortunately I don't get enough opportunity to enjoy my favorite past 
time *sigh*.

> The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group
> of friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to
> orientate and convince new pentaxians that they have made the right
> choice (I would say that there are far less introductions and
> 'novice' questions that we used to have). And it is a pitty since I
> don't think that this is true at all but that people here is really
> helpful.

It is only natural that if one is a list member for many years, one gets 
  to know their fellow list-mates. And of course it would appear for an 
outsider that this is a closed group, etc.

However, I think you couldn't possibly disagree that if a question is 
posted to the list - it gets very thorough and extremely useful set of 
answers. Thus, the only thing the prospective newcomer has to do is to 
overcome their shyness. The rest will really be extremely easy.

In fact, if an outside will have a look in the list archives, they will 
immediately see how amazingly friendly the atmosphere here is. Which I 
would imagine could be an attractive factor.

> Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for
> advice/information about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have
> been reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that
> is is getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep
> reading...;-) )

Yes, there're other places. This one is still my favorite by a huge margin.

> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day

;-)

Boris




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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Ken Waller]

>> OMG, you photoshopped it!

MARK !

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)


> 
> On May 28, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> 
>> OMG, you photoshopped it!
> 
> Didn't we see already the comment, "Photoshop is not a verb"?
> 
> G


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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Brian Walters]

OK, Thanks.

I'll have to take another look at the specs although the buffer isn't a
major limitation to me.

I expect to be buying towards the end of the life cycle of the current
models so (hopefully) the price factor might not be so significant by
then.  At the moment the Australian price for a K20D with kit lens
(which I don't need) is around $A2000 compared with the 200D at $A1200
with the same lens.   That's enough to make me want to consider the
options carefully.

I know the viewfinder is an issue as well although I've used by son's DL
and didn't find it noticeably different to my DS.


Cheers

Brian

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On Wed, 28 May 2008 21:56:25 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no
> justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to
> 4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant
> price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and
> not the most capable). It's also overpriced considering the rest of
> its spec. The similar spec Sony A200 is significantly cheaper, has at
> least 50% more buffer in RAW (6 shot)with a slow card and as  much as
> 3x the RAW buffer with a UDMA card (Sony's write speeds on their
> current cameras are fastest in class and add significantly to RAW
> buffering, as much as doubling it on the A200 with a 300x card) and
> JPEG buffering is infinite at 3.0fps (to the K200D's 2.8fps) AND the
> Sony A200's AF is comparable in performance to the K20D. The Sony does
> lack the sealing,  but that's no excuse for the K200D to have a buffer
> spec that was obsolete on the Digital Rebel 4 years ago. Not to
> mention that currently the Nikon D80 sells for only slightly more than
> the K200D with kit lens, and it completely destroys the K200D in most
> regards (Faster AF, far better viewfinder, comparable IQ, much better
> flash system, better AF, much deeper buffer) as it's generally
> comparable to the K10D and exceeds the K10D in some regards (AF, Flash
> system, high ISO) while the K10D offered weather sealing and SR in
> response.
> 
> Pentax made the opposite mistake with the K200D (too much money,
> uncompetitive spec) as they did with the K10D (too little money,
> over-specced).
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
> >
> > I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
> > comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."
> >
> > What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
> > $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?
> >
> > I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either
> > a 200D or a 20D later in the year.  Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D
> > seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've
> > read).  About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the
> > extra resolution.  I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of
> > photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm
> > finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a
> > lens or two I'd like as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >> Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
> >> three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
> >> available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
> >> of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
> >> when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
> >> good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
> >> same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
> >> as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[pnstenquist]

 -- Original message --
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 
> I remember those days.
> 
> Pentax is in deep doo doo now.

There's no real evidence to support that. Time will tell, but it's certainly 
not a given now. They're in better shape than they were in the final ugly days 
of the last film cameras.
Paul

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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[pnstenquist]

I think that's the industry standard for end of life. the Nikon D200 dropped a 
level at the end of its tenure as well.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> That it did, but I can't help but think Pentax would have done better
> with it if it had remained near its initial pricepoint rather than
> descending into K100D territory. By the end of its run it was only
> about $50 off a K100D kit in price, which is a bit non-sensical.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:06 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree in regard to the K200D, but I wouldn't call the K10D a mistake. It 
> represented great value for the money, and that helped put Pentax on the 
> consideration list for many buyers.
> > Paul
> >  -- Original message --
> > From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no
> >> justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to
> >> 4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant
> >> price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and
> >> not the most capable). It's also overpriced considering the rest of
> >> its spec. The similar spec Sony A200 is significantly cheaper, has at
> >> least 50% more buffer in RAW (6 shot)with a slow card and as  much as
> >> 3x the RAW buffer with a UDMA card (Sony's write speeds on their
> >> current cameras are fastest in class and add significantly to RAW
> >> buffering, as much as doubling it on the A200 with a 300x card) and
> >> JPEG buffering is infinite at 3.0fps (to the K200D's 2.8fps) AND the
> >> Sony A200's AF is comparable in performance to the K20D. The Sony does
> >> lack the sealing,  but that's no excuse for the K200D to have a buffer
> >> spec that was obsolete on the Digital Rebel 4 years ago. Not to
> >> mention that currently the Nikon D80 sells for only slightly more than
> >> the K200D with kit lens, and it completely destroys the K200D in most
> >> regards (Faster AF, far better viewfinder, comparable IQ, much better
> >> flash system, better AF, much deeper buffer) as it's generally
> >> comparable to the K10D and exceeds the K10D in some regards (AF, Flash
> >> system, high ISO) while the K10D offered weather sealing and SR in
> >> response.
> >>
> >> Pentax made the opposite mistake with the K200D (too much money,
> >> uncompetitive spec) as they did with the K10D (too little money,
> >> over-specced).
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >> > OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
> >> >
> >> > I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
> >> > comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."
> >> >
> >> > What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
> >> > $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?
> >> >
> >> > I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either
> >> > a 200D or a 20D later in the year.  Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D
> >> > seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've
> >> > read).  About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the
> >> > extra resolution.  I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of
> >> > photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm
> >> > finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a
> >> > lens or two I'd like as well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Brian
> >> >
> >> > ++
> >> > Brian Walters
> >> > Western Sydney Australia
> >> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >> >> Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
> >> >> three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
> >> >> available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
> >> >> of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
> >> >> when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
> >> >> good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
> >> >> same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
> >> >> as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Adam
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Jaume,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
> >> >> > Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
> >> >> > We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
> >> >> > So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
> >> >> > And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I hope we are still fri

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Adam Maas]

That it did, but I can't help but think Pentax would have done better
with it if it had remained near its initial pricepoint rather than
descending into K100D territory. By the end of its run it was only
about $50 off a K100D kit in price, which is a bit non-sensical.

-Adam

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:06 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree in regard to the K200D, but I wouldn't call the K10D a mistake. It 
> represented great value for the money, and that helped put Pentax on the 
> consideration list for many buyers.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no
>> justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to
>> 4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant
>> price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and
>> not the most capable). It's also overpriced considering the rest of
>> its spec. The similar spec Sony A200 is significantly cheaper, has at
>> least 50% more buffer in RAW (6 shot)with a slow card and as  much as
>> 3x the RAW buffer with a UDMA card (Sony's write speeds on their
>> current cameras are fastest in class and add significantly to RAW
>> buffering, as much as doubling it on the A200 with a 300x card) and
>> JPEG buffering is infinite at 3.0fps (to the K200D's 2.8fps) AND the
>> Sony A200's AF is comparable in performance to the K20D. The Sony does
>> lack the sealing,  but that's no excuse for the K200D to have a buffer
>> spec that was obsolete on the Digital Rebel 4 years ago. Not to
>> mention that currently the Nikon D80 sells for only slightly more than
>> the K200D with kit lens, and it completely destroys the K200D in most
>> regards (Faster AF, far better viewfinder, comparable IQ, much better
>> flash system, better AF, much deeper buffer) as it's generally
>> comparable to the K10D and exceeds the K10D in some regards (AF, Flash
>> system, high ISO) while the K10D offered weather sealing and SR in
>> response.
>>
>> Pentax made the opposite mistake with the K200D (too much money,
>> uncompetitive spec) as they did with the K10D (too little money,
>> over-specced).
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
>> >
>> > I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
>> > comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."
>> >
>> > What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
>> > $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?
>> >
>> > I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either
>> > a 200D or a 20D later in the year.  Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D
>> > seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've
>> > read).  About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the
>> > extra resolution.  I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of
>> > photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm
>> > finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a
>> > lens or two I'd like as well.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > ++
>> > Brian Walters
>> > Western Sydney Australia
>> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> >> Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
>> >> three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
>> >> available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
>> >> of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
>> >> when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
>> >> good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
>> >> same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
>> >> as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.
>> >>
>> >> -Adam
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Jaume,
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
>> >> > Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
>> >> > We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
>> >> > So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
>> >> > And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with
>> Pentax.
>> >> > In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early
>> >> > expertise for digital.
>> >> > It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is harder.
>> >> > The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and 
>> >> > printing.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,  Bob S.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ht

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "George Sinos" 
Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>Many years ago, when I first joined the list, it was the Pentax
>Discussion Mailing List that sometimes strayed into a discussion of
>photography.  I'm much happier that it now seems like the Photograph
>Discussion Mailing list that often times strays into a discussion of
>using Pentax equipment to make better photos.

>I'm fine with that.

I remember those days.

Pentax is in deep doo doo now.


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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[George Sinos]

Many years ago, when I first joined the list, it was the Pentax
Discussion Mailing List that sometimes strayed into a discussion of
photography.  I'm much happier that it now seems like the Photograph
Discussion Mailing list that often times strays into a discussion of
using Pentax equipment to make better photos.

I'm fine with that.

GS



On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
> agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
>
> The film SLR was an even more mature product, and here people keep wishing 
> the advent of the MZ-1, the flagship, the perfect mach for the 
> limiteds...that never showed up.
> So people here finally realized the limits of their favourite brand and that, 
> if they want/need certain features (high fps count, fast AF, full frame), 
> they have to move elsewhere (as many have already done).
>
> The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints about 
> present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have faith in 
> that their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look for othe 
> places to keep dreaming.
>
> So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other thanks to 
> their (current or past) relation with Pentax now share their pictures and 
> have a good time talking about things related (or not) to photography. Yes, 
> sometimes there is some equipment chat, but it is not the majority anymore.
>
> The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
> friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and 
> convince new pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say 
> that there are far less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used to 
> have). And it is a pitty since I don't think that this is true at all but 
> that people here is really helpful.
>
> Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for 
> advice/information about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been 
> reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that is is 
> getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>
> - Mensaje original 
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
>> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking
>> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site.
>> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
>>
>> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since 
>> the digital era took over.
>> Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
>> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
>> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
>> rather than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
>> So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
>> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
>> to) Pentax equipment.
>>
>> No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
>> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future 
>> developments...that's why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, 
>> eventually, report it here in case someone is still interested.
>
> That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
> Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
> the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
> from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
> wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the time.
> The advent of the SDM lenses removed another potential source
> of complaints, too.
>
> So while the K20D isn't perfect, it will do for now.  Pentax
> have intimated they are working on a model beyond the K20D,
> so there's room for speculating on future developments (will
> it have better build quality, a faster frame rate, faster AF,
> etc., etc.).  But most people don't care, because what they
> can get now is more than good enough to be useful.
>
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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Rick Womer]

Much better!

Welcome back!

(I haven't been around much myself lately--also
because of work)

Rick

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the
> universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this
> works better:
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:15:42 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> GD> On May 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> 
> >> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
> >> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
> >>
> >> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm
> 
> GD> I like it, but I think that central stripe
> behind the flower should  
> GD> be softened or lightened just a little bit.
> 
> GD> Godfrey
> 
> 
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[pnstenquist]

I agree in regard to the K200D, but I wouldn't call the K10D a mistake. It 
represented great value for the money, and that helped put Pentax on the 
consideration list for many buyers.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no
> justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to
> 4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant
> price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and
> not the most capable). It's also overpriced considering the rest of
> its spec. The similar spec Sony A200 is significantly cheaper, has at
> least 50% more buffer in RAW (6 shot)with a slow card and as  much as
> 3x the RAW buffer with a UDMA card (Sony's write speeds on their
> current cameras are fastest in class and add significantly to RAW
> buffering, as much as doubling it on the A200 with a 300x card) and
> JPEG buffering is infinite at 3.0fps (to the K200D's 2.8fps) AND the
> Sony A200's AF is comparable in performance to the K20D. The Sony does
> lack the sealing,  but that's no excuse for the K200D to have a buffer
> spec that was obsolete on the Digital Rebel 4 years ago. Not to
> mention that currently the Nikon D80 sells for only slightly more than
> the K200D with kit lens, and it completely destroys the K200D in most
> regards (Faster AF, far better viewfinder, comparable IQ, much better
> flash system, better AF, much deeper buffer) as it's generally
> comparable to the K10D and exceeds the K10D in some regards (AF, Flash
> system, high ISO) while the K10D offered weather sealing and SR in
> response.
> 
> Pentax made the opposite mistake with the K200D (too much money,
> uncompetitive spec) as they did with the K10D (too little money,
> over-specced).
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
> >
> > I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
> > comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."
> >
> > What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
> > $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?
> >
> > I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either
> > a 200D or a 20D later in the year.  Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D
> > seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've
> > read).  About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the
> > extra resolution.  I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of
> > photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm
> > finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a
> > lens or two I'd like as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >> Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
> >> three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
> >> available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
> >> of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
> >> when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
> >> good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
> >> same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
> >> as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Jaume,
> >> >
> >> > I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
> >> > Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
> >> > We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
> >> > So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
> >> > And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.
> >> >
> >> > I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with 
> Pentax.
> >> > In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early
> >> > expertise for digital.
> >> > It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is harder.
> >> > The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and 
> >> > printing.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,  Bob S.
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: Fishey-Hemi and DA10-17

[Walter Hamler]

Thanks for the link. I tried it and bought it. It really does work on
the portions of the images at the sides giving much better
presentation of people. It is also fun to play with the filters, using
the circular and cropped FE settings as well.
Nice plug-in!

Walt

On 5/28/08, Toine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you have a DA10-17 and people before your lens at 10mm this
> photoshop plugin is a must have (I think)
>
> http://www.imagetrendsinc.com/products/prodpage_hemi.asp
>
> It works perfectly and I couldn't resist for 20 euros...
>
> Toine
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Adam Maas]

The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no
justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to
4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant
price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and
not the most capable). It's also overpriced considering the rest of
its spec. The similar spec Sony A200 is significantly cheaper, has at
least 50% more buffer in RAW (6 shot)with a slow card and as  much as
3x the RAW buffer with a UDMA card (Sony's write speeds on their
current cameras are fastest in class and add significantly to RAW
buffering, as much as doubling it on the A200 with a 300x card) and
JPEG buffering is infinite at 3.0fps (to the K200D's 2.8fps) AND the
Sony A200's AF is comparable in performance to the K20D. The Sony does
lack the sealing,  but that's no excuse for the K200D to have a buffer
spec that was obsolete on the Digital Rebel 4 years ago. Not to
mention that currently the Nikon D80 sells for only slightly more than
the K200D with kit lens, and it completely destroys the K200D in most
regards (Faster AF, far better viewfinder, comparable IQ, much better
flash system, better AF, much deeper buffer) as it's generally
comparable to the K10D and exceeds the K10D in some regards (AF, Flash
system, high ISO) while the K10D offered weather sealing and SR in
response.

Pentax made the opposite mistake with the K200D (too much money,
uncompetitive spec) as they did with the K10D (too little money,
over-specced).

-Adam

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
>
> I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
> comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."
>
> What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
> $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?
>
> I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either
> a 200D or a 20D later in the year.  Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D
> seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've
> read).  About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the
> extra resolution.  I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of
> photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm
> finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a
> lens or two I'd like as well.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
>> three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
>> available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
>> of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
>> when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
>> good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
>> same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
>> as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > Jaume,
>> >
>> > I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
>> > Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
>> > We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
>> > So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
>> > And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.
>> >
>> > I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with 
>> > Pentax.
>> > In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early
>> > expertise for digital.
>> > It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is harder.
>> > The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and printing.
>> >
>> > Regards,  Bob S.
>> >
>> >
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[pnstenquist]

Build quality and viewfinder. 
That's a lot.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Brian Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...
> 
> I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
> comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."
> 
> What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
> $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?
> 
> I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either
> a 200D or a 20D later in the year.  Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D
> seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've
> read).  About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the
> extra resolution.  I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of
> photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm
> finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a
> lens or two I'd like as well.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
> > three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
> > available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
> > of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
> > when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
> > good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
> > same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
> > as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.
> > 
> > -Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Jaume,
> > >
> > > I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
> > > Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
> > > We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
> > > So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
> > > And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.
> > >
> > > I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with 
> Pentax.
> > > In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early
> > > expertise for digital.
> > > It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is harder.
> > > The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and 
> > > printing.
> > >
> > > Regards,  Bob S.
> > >
> > >
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Brian Walters]

OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute...

I'm interested in your statement "cheap ones aren't as bad in
comparison as the K200D is to the K20D."

What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about
$600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D?

I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either
a 200D or a 20D later in the year.  Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D
seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've
read).  About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the
extra resolution.  I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of
photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm
finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a
lens or two I'd like as well.



Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/




On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
> three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
> available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
> of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
> when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
> good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
> same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
> as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Jaume,
> >
> > I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
> > Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
> > We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
> > So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
> > And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.
> >
> > I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with 
> > Pentax.
> > In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early
> > expertise for digital.
> > It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is harder.
> > The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and printing.
> >
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> >
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Fernando]

When I need some technical/photo related advice this list is the first
place I think of, could be that I know the names and respect the
opinions I get here better; I have a different theory about why you
find more of these discussions outside of PDML, I think most of the
equipment questions are from newcomers, and probably might be easier
to join and follow dpreview than an email based list; I know there are
PDML archives, and that joining is not hard at all (unless some secret
handshake was added that I'm not aware of), but the forum style might
be more familiar to other folks than an email list. Pentaxforums is
just a dpreview forum plan B (and place for refugee expatriates of
dpreview) and in photo.net there is no useful advice (I believe thanks
to the animosity of Philip Greenspun against anything Pentax).

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
> agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
>
> The film SLR was an even more mature product, and here people keep wishing 
> the advent of the MZ-1, the flagship, the perfect mach for the 
> limiteds...that never showed up.
> So people here finally realized the limits of their favourite brand and that, 
> if they want/need certain features (high fps count, fast AF, full frame), 
> they have to move elsewhere (as many have already done).
>
> The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints about 
> present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have faith in 
> that their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look for othe 
> places to keep dreaming.
>
> So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other thanks to 
> their (current or past) relation with Pentax now share their pictures and 
> have a good time talking about things related (or not) to photography. Yes, 
> sometimes there is some equipment chat, but it is not the majority anymore.
>
> The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
> friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and 
> convince new pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say 
> that there are far less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used to 
> have). And it is a pitty since I don't think that this is true at all but 
> that people here is really helpful.
>
> Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for 
> advice/information about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been 
> reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that is is 
> getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>
> - Mensaje original 
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
>> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking
>> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site.
>> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
>>
>> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since 
>> the digital era took over.
>> Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
>> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
>> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
>> rather than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
>> So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
>> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
>> to) Pentax equipment.
>>
>> No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
>> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future 
>> developments...that's why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, 
>> eventually, report it here in case someone is still interested.
>
> That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
> Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
> the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
> from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
> wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the time.
> The advent of the SDM lenses removed another potential source
> of complaints, too.
>
> So while the K20D isn't perfect, it will do for now.  Pentax
> have intimated they are working on a model beyond the K20D,
> so there's room for speculating on future developments (will
> it have better build quality, a faster frame rate, faster AF,
> etc., etc.).  But most people don't care, because what they
> can get now is more than good enough to be useful.
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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If one of you kind Canadians would be so inclined, I'd love to have a  
Canadian $2 coin ...
email off list..

G



On May 28, 2008, at 2:38 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> Hey Knarf - isn't a looney a $2.00 canadian bill ?
>
> A looney is a $1 coin, so called because there's an image of a loon on
> one side (I can never remember which is obverse and which is reverse -
> the Queen's on one side and a loon the other;  you figure out which is
> which).
>
> The $2 coin has a polar bear on it (and the Queen on 't'other side),
> but it's called a tooney.  As in a two-dollar-looney.  Aren't we
> clever?
>
> Our $1 bill went out of circulation maybe 20 years ago, the $2 bill
> maybe 10 years ago...
>
> cheers,
> frank
>

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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)


>  Pentax Forum is even worse, and the Pentax forum on photo.net is clueless.

I've had a guy respnd to one of my postings telling me that monitor calibration 
is unimportant 
with B&W digital printing.
I'm not sure what to say..

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Re: PESO: Prairie Country

[Jack Davis]

Good perspective, Dave. Some other options; in order to see more of the fence 
line and allow a clear view if the farm might be accomplished by a move to the 
right and elevating yourself to shoot over the fence.
Another thought, perhaps shooting from the other side of the fence, remaining 
at a lower angle and, again, including a view the farm.
Shot has lots of potential.

Jack


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> From: David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: Prairie Country
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 7:23 AM
> G'day All,
> 
> I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday
> last year to
> the US & Canada with the aim of putting together a
> photo book.
> 
> Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):
> 
> 
> 
> K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)
> 
> Any & all comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 
Subject: Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!



> ps:  seriously, Norm's a great guy who posts about 4 times a year,
> shoots with a great honking beautiful brassing-at-the-corners 6x7,
> flies into GFM at about 10 pm each Saturday night, then flies out
> about 9am Sunday - usually from Brazil or New York or someplace
> exotic.

Norm is the kind of person we prairie people refer to as "The Finest Kind".

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 
Subject: Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!


> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Norman Baugher wrote:
>> Frank, are you listed in Toronto?
>> Norm
> 
> Norm,
> 
> I believe I already told you what to do in somewhat more explicit
> terms when you e-mailed me off-list yesterday, asking for my number...
> 
> your buddy,
> frank, from whom you'll NEVER get my number

Norm, you can get Frank at this number most evenings
 (416)857-1483

Your friend,
WW

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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)


> OMG, you photoshopped it!
> It does look better, but that's against the photographer's code.
> You'll have to turn in your film cameras...;-)

I think the whole FoundView thing came to a crashing end when digital became 
mainstream.
There must be a God somewhere..
Thank Thibouille, I believe he is a minor diety at the very least.

William Robb

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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)


> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm

Now I don't like the crop; sniveling, whiney little bugger that I am.

William Robb

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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement


>
>> Hey Knarf - isn't a looney a $2.00 canadian bill ?
>
> A looney is a $1 coin, so called because there's an image of a loon on
> one side (I can never remember which is obverse and which is reverse -
> the Queen's on one side and a loon the other;  you figure out which is
> which).
>
> The $2 coin has a polar bear on it (and the Queen on 't'other side),
> but it's called a tooney.  As in a two-dollar-looney.  Aren't we
> clever?
>
> Our $1 bill went out of circulation maybe 20 years ago, the $2 bill
> maybe 10 years ago...

I wanted the Two nicknamed the "Twoodle", but failed in the attempt.
It was quite amusing when they switched out the dollar bill for the dollar 
coin. I was working 
for Astral Photo at the time as a retail drone. The amount of abuse we took was 
astounding. The 
bank branches kept dollar bills for as long as they could because no one wanted 
the coins, 
people would refuse to take them as change, sometimes refusing the entire 
tansaction unless we 
were able to give them back anything other than the coins.
At the same time as the mint put the dollar coin on out, they flooded the 
market with two dollar 
bills so that stores wouldn't have to give people as many coins as change.
In Regina, the two dollar bill has a rather colourful history, so we also had 
people being 
offended when we tried to give them two dollar bills as change too.
It was quite the gong show at times.

William Robb


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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jaume Lahuerta"
Subject: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)




>No more bloody fights


They got my meds stabilized and someone kidnapped Norm and gave us the Scott 
and Dave show 
instead.

William Robb




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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 28, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> OMG, you photoshopped it!

Didn't we see already the comment, "Photoshop is not a verb"?

G

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Re: PESO: Prairie Country

[pnstenquist]

I like this one a lot. I might have preferred it a bit more to the right as 
Brian says, but Im not sure. In any case, the green fields and dramatic sky are 
great. No split ND filter, I assume. You obviously achieved an exposure that 
allowed you to balance the elements correctly. Excellent.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Brian Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi Dave
> 
> Nice perspective although I would liked to have seen more fence posts. 
> Perhaps a shooting position a bit further to the right?
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney, Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 22:23:43 +0800, "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
> > G'day All,
> > 
> > I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday last year to
> > the US & Canada with the aim of putting together a photo book.
> > 
> > Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)
> > 
> > Any & all comments welcome.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[pnstenquist]

I'm happy with my K20D, but that's because it meets my needs for the kind of 
photography I do. It hasn't failed me yet. Like you, I'm interested in the 
technical discussions, and I do stop in at dpreview from time to time to see 
what's up. But the discussions usually aren't very intelligent or factual. More 
often than not, I'd rather read the "digested" versions here. Pentax Forum is 
even worse, and the Pentax forum on photo.net is clueless. 

Yes, there are other cameras that could serve me somewhat better than my K10D 
and K20D, but they cost a heck of a lot more, and I need at least two bodies. 
And the Pentax lenses are still as good as anything out there. Better than 
most. There were some quality control problems with the DA*16-50, but the good 
samples are great. It's just a matter of analyzing your equipment when it's 
purchased. 

I'm on a new job now, three days a week. Photography is part of it. My boss 
shoots a Canon 1DS M3 and some medium format digital, which I can't describe 
accurately. I've turned some RAW files over to him that I shot at 1600 with the 
DA* 50-135. He was very impressed. " I can match that performance with the 
Canon," he said. "But I'm not sure I can better it. At least not for practical 
purposes."

Enough said.

Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
> agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
> 
> The film SLR was an even more mature product, and here people keep wishing 
> the 
> advent of the MZ-1, the flagship, the perfect mach for the limiteds...that 
> never 
> showed up.
> So people here finally realized the limits of their favourite brand and that, 
> if 
> they want/need certain features (high fps count, fast AF, full frame), they 
> have 
> to move elsewhere (as many have already done).
> 
> The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints about 
> present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have faith in 
> that 
> their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look for othe places 
> to 
> keep dreaming.
> 
> So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other thanks to 
> their 
> (current or past) relation with Pentax now share their pictures and have a 
> good 
> time talking about things related (or not) to photography. Yes, sometimes 
> there 
> is some equipment chat, but it is not the majority anymore.
> 
> The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
> friends, 
> with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and convince new 
> pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say that there are 
> far 
> less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used to have). And it is a 
> pitty since I don't think that this is true at all but that people here is 
> really helpful.
> 
> Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for 
> advice/information 
> about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been reading the list for so 
> many 
> years that it is hard to admit that is is getting less interesting for me 
> lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
> 
> - Mensaje original 
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
> 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> > >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking 
> > occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. 
> > News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
> > 
> > Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus 
> > since 
> the digital era took over.
> > Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
> rather 
> than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
> > So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
> to) 
> Pentax equipment.
> > 
> > No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future developments...that's 
> why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, eventually, report it here 
> in 
> case someone is still interested.
> 
> That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
> Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
> the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
> from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
> wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the tim

Re: PESO: Prairie Country

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
Evocative view of the prairie.
I like the fence starting in the lower left corner,
and the tiny buildings on the horizon.
Lots greener than OZ.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Dave
>
> Nice perspective although I would liked to have seen more fence posts.
> Perhaps a shooting position a bit further to the right?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney, Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>
>
>
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 22:23:43 +0800, "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
>> G'day All,
>>
>> I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday last year to
>> the US & Canada with the aim of putting together a photo book.
>>
>> Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):
>>
>> 
>>
>> K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)
>>
>> Any & all comments welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Bob Sullivan]

OMG, you photoshopped it!
It does look better, but that's against the photographer's code.
You'll have to turn in your film cameras...;-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:15:42 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> GD> On May 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>
>>> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
>>> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
>>>
>>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm
>
> GD> I like it, but I think that central stripe behind the flower should
> GD> be softened or lightened just a little bit.
>
> GD> Godfrey
>
>
>
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Adam Maas]

Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than
three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly
available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most
of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500
when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the
good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the
same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't
as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D.

-Adam



On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jaume,
>
> I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
> Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
> We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
> So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
> And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.
>
> I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with Pentax.
> In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early
> expertise for digital.
> It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is harder.
> The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and printing.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
>> agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
>>
>> The film SLR was an even more mature product, and here people keep wishing 
>> the advent of the MZ-1, the flagship, the perfect mach for the 
>> limiteds...that never showed up.
>> So people here finally realized the limits of their favourite brand and 
>> that, if they want/need certain features (high fps count, fast AF, full 
>> frame), they have to move elsewhere (as many have already done).
>>
>> The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints about 
>> present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have faith in 
>> that their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look for othe 
>> places to keep dreaming.
>>
>> So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other thanks to 
>> their (current or past) relation with Pentax now share their pictures and 
>> have a good time talking about things related (or not) to photography. Yes, 
>> sometimes there is some equipment chat, but it is not the majority anymore.
>>
>> The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
>> friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and 
>> convince new pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say 
>> that there are far less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used to 
>> have). And it is a pitty since I don't think that this is true at all but 
>> that people here is really helpful.
>>
>> Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for 
>> advice/information about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been 
>> reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that is is 
>> getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>>
>> - Mensaje original 
>> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
>> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
>>> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking
>>> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site.
>>> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
>>>
>>> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus 
>>> since the digital era took over.
>>> Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
>>> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
>>> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
>>> rather than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular 
>>> anymore.
>>> So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
>>> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
>>> to) Pentax equipment.
>>>
>>> No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
>>> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future 
>>> developments...that's why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, 
>>> eventually, report it here in case someone is still interested.
>>
>> That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
>> Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
>> the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
>> from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
>> wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the time.
>> The advent of th

Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Bob Sullivan]

Jaume,

I agree with you that the list has changed with digital.
Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished.
We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy.
So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera.
And some are posting lots of pictures because they can.

I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with Pentax.
In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early
expertise for digital.
It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is harder.
The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and printing.

Regards,  Bob S.


On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
> agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
>
> The film SLR was an even more mature product, and here people keep wishing 
> the advent of the MZ-1, the flagship, the perfect mach for the 
> limiteds...that never showed up.
> So people here finally realized the limits of their favourite brand and that, 
> if they want/need certain features (high fps count, fast AF, full frame), 
> they have to move elsewhere (as many have already done).
>
> The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints about 
> present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have faith in 
> that their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look for othe 
> places to keep dreaming.
>
> So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other thanks to 
> their (current or past) relation with Pentax now share their pictures and 
> have a good time talking about things related (or not) to photography. Yes, 
> sometimes there is some equipment chat, but it is not the majority anymore.
>
> The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
> friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and 
> convince new pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say 
> that there are far less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used to 
> have). And it is a pitty since I don't think that this is true at all but 
> that people here is really helpful.
>
> Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for 
> advice/information about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been 
> reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that is is 
> getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>
> - Mensaje original 
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
>> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking
>> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site.
>> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
>>
>> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since 
>> the digital era took over.
>> Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
>> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
>> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
>> rather than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
>> So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
>> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
>> to) Pentax equipment.
>>
>> No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
>> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future 
>> developments...that's why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, 
>> eventually, report it here in case someone is still interested.
>
> That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
> Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
> the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
> from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
> wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the time.
> The advent of the SDM lenses removed another potential source
> of complaints, too.
>
> So while the K20D isn't perfect, it will do for now.  Pentax
> have intimated they are working on a model beyond the K20D,
> so there's room for speculating on future developments (will
> it have better build quality, a faster frame rate, faster AF,
> etc., etc.).  But most people don't care, because what they
> can get now is more than good enough to be useful.
>
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Re: New chalenge ( prawns included ;)

[Tim Øsleby]

A 1mm transparent object? Hmmm.
Cook them. They will probably turn into a nice pink objects :-)

MaritimTim, the Barbarian

2008/5/26 Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I found something to do to surpass myself and motive myself to become
> better than I am (which shouldn't be all that difficult, Hmmm).
>
> I have a couple prawns in my aquarium and as I hoped, they did have
> sex together ;)
> I found 4-5 (at the very least) of those "mini-prawns" on the floor of
> the aquarium, happily eating what they could find at their size.
>
> The problem is exactly that one. I dunno if any of you ever saw baby
> prawns: the wole thing isn't any longer than 1 milimeter and btw
> totally transparent.
> Imagine how difficult to find one. Now how to take a picture of one
> and being able to actually recognize the baby prawn on the picture
> will be an interesting challenge IMO.
>
> I do not have a very good macro setup, unfortunately: K10D + FA100/3.5
> macro (or Tammy SP70-210/3.5-4 macro). Both being 1:2 lenses and a
> couple of macro filters of very low quality :|
>
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Re: PESO: Prairie Country

[Brian Walters]

Hi Dave

Nice perspective although I would liked to have seen more fence posts. 
Perhaps a shooting position a bit further to the right?



Cheers

Brian

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On Wed, 28 May 2008 22:23:43 +0800, "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> G'day All,
> 
> I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday last year to
> the US & Canada with the aim of putting together a photo book.
> 
> Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):
> 
> 
> 
> K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)
> 
> Any & all comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[frank theriault]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm
>

It was lovely before.  Now it's more lovely!!

Nice to see you again, Bruce.  I was just thinking the other day that
we hadn't seen you for a while...

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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Jaume Lahuerta]

People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.

The film SLR was an even more mature product, and here people keep wishing the 
advent of the MZ-1, the flagship, the perfect mach for the limiteds...that 
never showed up.
So people here finally realized the limits of their favourite brand and that, 
if they want/need certain features (high fps count, fast AF, full frame), they 
have to move elsewhere (as many have already done).

The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints about 
present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have faith in that 
their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look for othe places to 
keep dreaming.

So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other thanks to 
their (current or past) relation with Pentax now share their pictures and have 
a good time talking about things related (or not) to photography. Yes, 
sometimes there is some equipment chat, but it is not the majority anymore.

The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and 
convince new pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say that 
there are far less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used to have). 
And it is a pitty since I don't think that this is true at all but that people 
here is really helpful.

Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for advice/information 
about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been reading the list for so 
many years that it is hard to admit that is is getting less interesting for me 
lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )

Regards,

Jaume in their yearly eloquent day

- Mensaje original 
De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking 
> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. 
> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
> 
> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since 
> the digital era took over.
> Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
> rather than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
> So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
> to) Pentax equipment.
> 
> No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future developments...that's 
> why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, eventually, report it here 
> in case someone is still interested.

That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the time.
The advent of the SDM lenses removed another potential source
of complaints, too.

So while the K20D isn't perfect, it will do for now.  Pentax
have intimated they are working on a model beyond the K20D,
so there's room for speculating on future developments (will
it have better build quality, a faster frame rate, faster AF,
etc., etc.).  But most people don't care, because what they
can get now is more than good enough to be useful.


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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[frank theriault]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Knarf - isn't a looney a $2.00 canadian bill ?

A looney is a $1 coin, so called because there's an image of a loon on
one side (I can never remember which is obverse and which is reverse -
the Queen's on one side and a loon the other;  you figure out which is
which).

The $2 coin has a polar bear on it (and the Queen on 't'other side),
but it's called a tooney.  As in a two-dollar-looney.  Aren't we
clever?

Our $1 bill went out of circulation maybe 20 years ago, the $2 bill
maybe 10 years ago...

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Fishey-Hemi and DA10-17

[Toine]

If you have a DA10-17 and people before your lens at 10mm this
photoshop plugin is a must have (I think)

http://www.imagetrendsinc.com/products/prodpage_hemi.asp

It works perfectly and I couldn't resist for 20 euros...

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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[Ken Waller]

Hey Knarf - isn't a looney a $2.00 canadian bill ?

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement


>
>>
>> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/05/28 Wed PM 12:27:09 GMT
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>> > Uh, no.  The markings are different.  The common loon
>> > has a black ring around its neck.
>> >
>> > (Sheesh. Dumb Canucks!) ;-)
>>
>> I know a loon when I see it...
>>
>> cheers,
>> the dumb Canuck
>>
>> ;-)
>
> I've been lectured to by this looney.
> http://www.bookfinder.com/author/john-henry-h-looney/
>
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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Ken Waller]

A definite improvement.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)


> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:15:42 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> GD> On May 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> 
>>> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
>>> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
>>>
>>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm
> 
> GD> I like it, but I think that central stripe behind the flower should  
> GD> be softened or lightened just a little bit.
> 
> GD> Godfrey


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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[frank theriault]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Christine  Aguila
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> don't know who Norm Baugher is, but I'm new, so it's to be expected.

Consider yourself lucky...

cheers,
frank

;-)

ps:  seriously, Norm's a great guy who posts about 4 times a year,
shoots with a great honking beautiful brassing-at-the-corners 6x7,
flies into GFM at about 10 pm each Saturday night, then flies out
about 9am Sunday - usually from Brazil or New York or someplace
exotic.

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Norman Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank, are you listed in Toronto?
> Norm

Norm,

I believe I already told you what to do in somewhat more explicit
terms when you e-mailed me off-list yesterday, asking for my number...

your buddy,
frank, from whom you'll NEVER get my number

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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/05/28 Wed PM 12:27:09 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement
> 
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Uh, no.  The markings are different.  The common loon
> > has a black ring around its neck.
> >
> > (Sheesh. Dumb Canucks!) ;-)
> 
> I know a loon when I see it...

As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted by the webmail interface..

I have been lectured to by this looney.
http://www.bookfinder.com/author/john-henry-h-looney/
He is, of course, Canadian.


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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/05/28 Wed PM 12:27:09 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement
> 
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Uh, no.  The markings are different.  The common loon
> > has a black ring around its neck.
> >
> > (Sheesh. Dumb Canucks!) ;-)
> 
> I know a loon when I see it...
> 
> cheers,
> the dumb Canuck
> 
> ;-)

I've been lectured to by this looney.
http://www.bookfinder.com/author/john-henry-h-looney/


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Re: When art walks a moral fine line

[P. J. Alling]

I have to agree mostly.

AlunFoto wrote:
> Well said, Bob.
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/5/23 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> Some people think there's no difference between nakedness and
>> pornography. Some people think that being a politician or a policeman
>> qualifies them to decide what is and isn't art. When the 2 groups
>> intersect, trouble ensues.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of David Savage
>>> Sent: 23 May 2008 02:01
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: When art walks a moral fine line
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>>> >> dd/2008/05/23/1211183044543.html>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Tim Øsleby]

+47 98056108
Send my regards to Mr. Cod, will you?
(My phone is at the bottom of Barents sea)

MaritimTim

2008/5/28 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>> 2008/5/28 ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Scott Loveless wrote:
>>>
 ann sanfedele wrote:


> I'll be thinking about you - and am glad I'm in the same time zone
> incase you guys actually miss me.
>
>
 That never stopped us before.



>>> Hey - I'm happy to get the call - just not at 3 AM :)
>>>
>>
>> Is 4:AM better?
>>
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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yes, that improves it nicely. :-)

G

On May 28, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm
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Re: 20 Pentax lenses tested on K20D by Chasseur D'images

[Mat Maessen]

On 5/22/08, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...Or perhaps even better, to contemplate the psychologial
>  implications of an unbendable urge to photograph backlit twigs at
>  f/2.8.

MARK!

(oh wait, he's riding at the moment)

STUNT-MARK!

-Mat

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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Christine Aguila]

Very nice, Bruce.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)


> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:15:42 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> GD> On May 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>
>>> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
>>> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
>>>
>>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm
>
> GD> I like it, but I think that central stripe behind the flower should
> GD> be softened or lightened just a little bit.
>
> GD> Godfrey
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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[pnstenquist]

Much better. I like it.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
> have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm
> 
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> 
> 
> Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:15:42 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> GD> On May 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> 
> >> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
> >> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
> >>
> >> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm
> 
> GD> I like it, but I think that central stripe behind the flower should  
> GD> be softened or lightened just a little bit.
> 
> GD> Godfrey
> 
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Re: A mildly amusing sign

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:24 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The stream breaks up into discreet pieces, so it would take extremely
> bad luck to have that happen...

I think you mean "discrete".  If you're pissing in subway station,
you've abandoned discretion.

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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque (Rev 2)

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks to all for your comments.  Based on the universal feeling, I
have worked the image over a bit.  Hopefully, this works better:

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968a.htm

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 10:15:42 AM, you wrote:


GD> On May 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
>> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm

GD> I like it, but I think that central stripe behind the flower should  
GD> be softened or lightened just a little bit.

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Re: A mildly amusing sign

[P. J. Alling]

Electric fences are quiet, how shall I say this, fragile.  I'm surprised 
you didn't do permanent damage to the transformer.

Scott Loveless wrote:
> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>   
>> They tested this one on Mythbusters.  The stream breaks up into droplets
>> before it makes contact with the rail so there is not continuous
>> electrical path. 
>>
>> 
> The transformer for an electric fence is designed for high voltage and 
> low amperage.  It's painful but it won't typically injure someone.  If 
> you're brave (stupid) enough you can grab one and see how long you can 
> stand to hold on.  I know.  I've done it.
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Re: A mildly amusing sign

[P. J. Alling]

The stream breaks up into discreet pieces, so it would take extremely 
bad luck to have that happen...

ann sanfedele wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>
>   
>> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  
>>
>> 
>>> http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00026.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> I heard if one pees on the third rail of an electric railway or
>> subway, they'll get electricuted (I've also heard that's an urban myth
>> with no basis in fact).  So if one really does piss on the indicated
>> platforms and electricutes one's self, will those who put up that sign
>> be liable?
>>
>> Hilarious sign!
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>  
>>
>> 
> what frank said!
> ann
>
>
>   
>>  
>>
>> 
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Re: 20 Pentax lenses tested on K20D by Chasseur D'images

[P. J. Alling]

I guess you always decline when the ask you to drop by for tea...

Tim Øsleby wrote:
> Pooping in you own nest? Stupid thing to do.
> I prefer pooping in the neighbours well.
>
> MaritimTim
>
> 2008/5/22 AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> 2008/5/21 Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 
>>> Underexposing also gives more ISO noise,
>>> so this makes it a trade off situation between noise or fringing.
>>> Life ain't easy. The best thing is often to avoid the highlights.
>>>   
>> Life ain't easy. :-)
>>
>> In my opinion, the most salient point is as you say, to avoid the
>> highlights. Or perhaps even better, to contemplate the psychologial
>> implications of an unbendable urge to photograph backlit twigs at
>> f/2.8. I'd say the disposition of Fotozone looks unhealthy... :-)
>>
>> It is also worth noting that Fotozone have no mention of even
>> considering the same properties for comparable lenses from Nikon and
>> Canon. I've checked. And the sample photos does not include scenes
>> where PF may emerge. Until the next test of a similar lens from the
>> big two, I guess it's better to think that this property is something
>> hitherto unknown to Fotozone, and that a DA* attached to a K10D from
>> Pentax just happened to be the first lens/camera combo they made such
>> considerations for. If they ignore PF testing for other brands in the
>> future, however, they'll pretty much be as the ornithologist would
>> say, pooping in their own nest. :-)
>>
>> Jostein
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Re: The missing factor in K10D + Sigma EF500 flash metering: Distance

[P. J. Alling]

I believe the DS2 was pretty much the same, as far as hardware was 
concerned, the same as the DS which supported both Analog and Digital TTL.

Adam Maas wrote:
> Actually, that's not the case, the *istDS2 was the last camera from
> Pentax to support plain TTL (IIRC it used the PZ-era Digital TTL spec
> rather than the LX-era Analog TTL), the Samsung GX-1S was the last
> production camera to support it (It lasted longer than its sibling,
> the DS2).
>
> -Adam
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> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:00 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Rick,
>> The *istD was the last camera to support the old analogue TTL. For TTL
>> flash with K10D you need a P-TTL compatible flash.
>>
>> Jostein
>>
>> 2008/5/22 Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 
>>> I was wondering why the flash exposures I get with my
>>> K10D and Sigma EF500 DG Super aren't as reliable as
>>> those I got in the hazy past with my PZ-1(p) and
>>> ancient (but TTL capable) Sunpak flash.
>>>
>>> So I repeated an experiment I had performed with the
>>> PZ-1p and Sunpak:  I had two targets of similar shade,
>>> one close (~1.5m) and one distant (~5m) in the same
>>> ambient light in the same room.  Focusing on the near
>>> target and photographing it led to a perfectly exposed
>>> near target and underexposed distant target (which is
>>> as it should be).  Focusing on the distant target led
>>> to a perfectly exposed distant target and overexposed
>>> near target, even though the two targets had the same
>>> positions in the frame in the two situations.  This
>>> told me that the PZ-1(p) used distance information
>>> from the lens in calculating flash exposure.
>>>
>>> Last evening I performed the experiment with the K10D
>>> and Sigma flash.  No matter which target I focused on,
>>> the near target was always properly exposed and the
>>> distant target underexposed.  Thus it appears that
>>> this camera-flash combination does not use distance
>>> information in its flash exposure calculations.
>>>
>>> It would be interesting if someone with a Pentax 540
>>> flash would try the same experiment.  Is it the camera
>>> or the Sigma (reverse-engineered) flash that is unable
>>> to use the distance information?
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW
>>>
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Re: A mildly amusing sign

[P. J. Alling]

My how 16th century French...
(65 rooms in the Louvre, but nary a lou to be found, originally...)

Bob W wrote:
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

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Cotty wrote:
> On 28/5/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I was present for the saying of "ni!"  But don't tell Cotty.  Any 
>> revenge he's come up with hasn't affected me just yet and I'd like to 
>> keep it that way.
> 
> Like I'm not looking at the list or anything right now...
> 
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking 
> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. 
> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
> 
> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since 
> the digital era took over.
> Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
> rather than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
> So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
> to) Pentax equipment.
> 
> No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future developments...that's 
> why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, eventually, report it here 
> in case someone is still interested.

That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the time.
The advent of the SDM lenses removed another potential source
of complaints, too.

So while the K20D isn't perfect, it will do for now.  Pentax
have intimated they are working on a model beyond the K20D,
so there's room for speculating on future developments (will
it have better build quality, a faster frame rate, faster AF,
etc., etc.).  But most people don't care, because what they
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

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On 28/5/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I was present for the saying of "ni!"  But don't tell Cotty.  Any 
>revenge he's come up with hasn't affected me just yet and I'd like to 
>keep it that way.

Like I'm not looking at the list or anything right now...

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Cotty]

On 28/5/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>don't know who Norm Baugher is

Mark!

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Cotty]

On 28/5/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>But don't call Cotty, he won't answer

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Cotty]

On 27/5/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Like Jack, I'm all caught up in the excitement about the PDML trip to GFM, 
>so I'd like to wish all those in route safe travels, a great time, and happy 
>shooting.  Looking forward to the stories and photos. Maybe next year I'll 
>join you all.
>
>Drink a beer for me--I tend to like the darker ales! ;-)

Sitting at Newark waiting for my flight to Charlotte. I'll try and get
some pics up by Saturday night.


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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[AlunFoto]

Maybe I should give him a ring, then? Around breakfast? :-)

Jostein

2008/5/28 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> AlunFoto wrote:
>> 2008/5/28 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Is 4:AM better?

>>> Works for me.  What's your number, Tim?
>>>
>>
>> A couple of rascals phoned up Cotty a couple of years ago at what was
>> reasonable party time at GFM. Which of course was reasonable sleeping
>> time in GMT. :-)
>>
>> Cotty is going this year, though.
>>
> I was present for the saying of "ni!"  But don't tell Cotty.  Any
> revenge he's come up with hasn't affected me just yet and I'd like to
> keep it that way.
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

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AlunFoto wrote:
> 2008/5/28 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Is 4:AM better?
>>>
>> Works for me.  What's your number, Tim?
>>
> 
> A couple of rascals phoned up Cotty a couple of years ago at what was
> reasonable party time at GFM. Which of course was reasonable sleeping
> time in GMT. :-)
> 
> Cotty is going this year, though.
> 
I was present for the saying of "ni!"  But don't tell Cotty.  Any 
revenge he's come up with hasn't affected me just yet and I'd like to 
keep it that way.

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

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2008/5/28 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Is 4:AM better?
>>
> Works for me.  What's your number, Tim?
>

A couple of rascals phoned up Cotty a couple of years ago at what was
reasonable party time at GFM. Which of course was reasonable sleeping
time in GMT. :-)

Cotty is going this year, though.


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Re: Just ordered the KatzEye screen

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks Godfrey. Valuable info

MaritimTim

2008/5/28 Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> ON the DS, I found the screen quality not quite what I wanted for
> manual focusing as, at the time I got it, I was using older manual
> focus lenses more of the time. I wanted something with less clutter
> and a better focusing surface. My custom scribe lines were more of a
> "while I'm doing this anyway" kind of thing.
>
> I found the K10D screen to be as good for manual focusing as the
> KatzEye was on the DS, and also found that since I was using more
> recent, all AF lenses, that the additional markings for them were not
> as much of a distraction. (I still manually focus about the same
> amount of the time, but I often do so using the QS feature of the DA/
> DA* lenses rather than having to turn AF off.)
>
> I guess overall that by the time I had the K10D in my hands, it was
> no longer a priority worth spending $100+ to change.
>
> Godfrey
>
>
> On May 28, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
>
>> I remember you used it at the DS, and was happy with it.
>> Why didn't you get a new one for the K10/20D? Any particular reason?
>>
>> MaritimTim
>>
>> 2008/5/28 Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> My custom screen for the *ist DS was made without focusing aid,
>>> just a
>>> few scribed lines for horizontal/vertical reference and framing. I
>>> was
>>> quite happy with it.
>
>
> On May 28, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Axel Belinfante wrote:
>> Did you get it to avoid clutter,
>> or to improve ease of (manual?) focusing?
>>
>> I guess I'm echoing Tim here - wondering whether
>> there is a difference between ease of manual focus on
>> the matte of the Pentax and the KatzEye screens.
>>
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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[AlunFoto]

2008/5/28 frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What I've heard is that global warming is thought to be a major
> contributor to algal bloom in some Canadian lakes.  Since loons hunt
> fish by sight, if they can't see to catch fish, they won't populate
> those lakes with algal bloom, thus squeezing them out of longtime
> habitats.

hmmm... This is rather complex...

Algal blooms are most likely to occur after the springtime
full-circulation (in temperate/boreal regions, at least, which
includes most of Canada and Norway) because the water mixing brings up
fresh nutrients from the sediments and bottom water. To simplify
things a bit, let's consider that the amount of nutrients
redistributed in the water column is constant irrespective of
temperature. In most lakes where loons would be able to hunt in the
first place, it is also reasonable to assume that the amount of
nutrients is the limiting factor for algal growth irrespective of
temperature.

Even with these factors held constant, many things can happen when the
temperature goes up. One is that the full-circulation happens earlier
in spring, and thereby shifts the bloom to a different time relative
to the nesting season.

Another thing is that you actually increase the algal production
_rate_. But this also means the algae will run out of nutrients more
quickly. So effectively the algal bloom will become more intense, and
thus reduce visibility more than with lower temperatures, but be of
shorter duration.

Yet another effect of increased temperature will be a shift of
behaviour in the loon's prey species. Most of the charr species, for
example, prefer cold water and will move to deeper waters when the
temperature rise. As will the graylings and other salmonids. This
effect may be just as significant as the blooming, at least in
salmonid-dominated lakes.

On the whole, I think you may be right that global warming (or local
warming) could affect the loons. But some observational data on loon
distribution would be nice... :-)

Anyway I think Ken has a good point too, that the nutrients required
for blooming may well have been supplied by human activity in the
first place. I know there's a campaign going on towards farmers to
stop them from plowing their fields in the autumn. By waiting until
spring, they reduce the run-off of nutrients significantly. This is
both beneficial for the recipient water system and for the farmer
himself because it reduce the need for artificial fertiliser in the
growth season.

Jostein


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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Scott Loveless]

Tim Øsleby wrote:
> 2008/5/28 ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Scott Loveless wrote:
>>
>>> ann sanfedele wrote:
>>>
>>>
 I'll be thinking about you - and am glad I'm in the same time zone
 incase you guys actually miss me.


>>> That never stopped us before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hey - I'm happy to get the call - just not at 3 AM :)
>>
> 
> Is 4:AM better?
> 
Works for me.  What's your number, Tim?

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Norman Baugher]

Frank, are you listed in Toronto?
Norm

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>
>On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Christine  Aguila
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Like Jack, I'm all caught up in the excitement about the PDML trip to GFM,
>> so I'd like to wish all those in route safe travels, a great time, and happy
>> shooting.  Looking forward to the stories and photos. Maybe next year I'll
>> join you all.
>>
>> Drink a beer for me--I tend to like the darker ales! ;-)
>>
>> Big cheers, Christine
>
>BIG HINT:  If Norm Baugher asks for your phone number, don't give it.
>
>You've been warned.
>
>Ask Cotty if you don't believe me!
>
>cheers,
>frank
>
>ps:  safe travels to all (even Scott who was mean to me yesterday)  ;-)
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Tim Øsleby]

2008/5/28 ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>
>>ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'll be thinking about you - and am glad I'm in the same time zone
>>>incase you guys actually miss me.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That never stopped us before.
>>
>>
>>
> Hey - I'm happy to get the call - just not at 3 AM :)
>

Is 4:AM better?

MaritimTim

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Re: format SDHC card error

[Toine]

And I did. swapped it for another brand and now it's working. I now
have a Transcend class 6 card (very fast).

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> If your K10D firmware is up to date, I would.
>
> Toine wrote:
>> I got my first SDHC card (4GB) for the K10D.
>> If I format the card the K10D displays "memory card error". I don't
>> think it's normal but it does write images normally...
>>
>> Should I return it?
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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm

I like it, but I think that central stripe behind the flower should  
be softened or lightened just a little bit.

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Christine Aguila]

From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Christine  Aguila
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Like Jack, I'm all caught up in the excitement about the PDML trip to 
>> GFM,
>> so I'd like to wish all those in route safe travels, a great time, and 
>> happy
>> shooting.  Looking forward to the stories and photos. Maybe next year 
>> I'll
>> join you all.
>>
>> Drink a beer for me--I tend to like the darker ales! ;-)
>>
>> Big cheers, Christine
>
> BIG HINT:  If Norm Baugher asks for your phone number, don't give it.
>
> You've been warned.
>
> Ask Cotty if you don't believe me!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> ps:  safe travels to all (even Scott who was mean to me yesterday)  ;-)

Well, I'm clearly not in the GFM loop:  I don't get the time zone thing, 
don't know who Norm Baugher is, but I'm new, so it's to be expected. :-) 
But I'll hold close your warning about Norm: easily handled anyway.  Giving 
out bogus phone #'s is a woman's best strategy.  I'll just give him the 
numerical version of 1-NOW-AYB-UDZO ;-).
Cheers, Christine 



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Re: GESO: Fascinated with crops

[Boris Liberman]

Great many thanks, Ann. It feels almost as if we're talking in person 
and I am learning from you!

Much, much appreciated.

Boris


ann sanfedele wrote:
> Boris - I started with clicking on the most recent post in my mail box 
> which was Godder's comment on
> this one
> 
> http://boris.isra-shop.com/crops_2008/content/IGP08267_large.html
> 
> That is the 4th - readinga cross and then down on the index file)
> I pretty much concur that it is the "best" whatever that means :)
> 
> and I like one of the closeups as well -  the 6th one (1st in second 
> row) and the vertical closeup
> which is the 12th
> 6 is here
> http://boris.isra-shop.com/crops_2008/content/IGP08270_large.html
> 
> 12 is here
> http://boris.isra-shop.com/crops_2008/content/IGP08357_large.html
> 
> The 14th works as it is, although it isnt'a s interseting to me 
> personally as the others I mentioned.
> 
> 13 needs a bit of a crop (ohoh, pun alert!)  and 15 - well the light is 
> great but the background is too busy
> some cropping here .
> 
> I think those could tell the whole story...
> 
> here is the problem for most of them - the out of focus but not blurred 
> out enough backgrounds on most
> and the very washed out rim of sky beyond .
> 
> I'd prune this collection to 5 or 6 and then I think it would tell the 
> story with a greater impact.
> 
> Well - ya said to be brutal, my dear! :)
> 
> ann  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Another flash topic: Colortemp and filters

[P. J. Alling]

Color balancing flash filters are extinct, special effect flash filters 
still have their place even in the digital world.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yes. Flash filters are extinct.
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   
>>> So. I've heard some talk about using filters on the flash to ballanse
>>> the colour temp better
>>>   
>> Couldn't you achieve the same effect in post processing if you shoot RAW?
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Another flash topic: Colortemp and filters
>>
>>
>> 
>>> First some chit chat. For the unpatient readers: My question is at
>>> bottom of the post.
>>>
>>> I'm not much of a flash photographer. Generally I don't like flash.
>>> Bad flash photography is bad photography. But now I'm debating to buy
>>> a good all purpose flash, and see if I can make some decent use of it.
>>> I already have another thread going about Better Beamer and use of
>>> flash bracket.
>>> One of the weak side of flash photography is the mixed lighting it
>>> sometimes gives. To ballanse of the amount of light is one thing. The
>>> colour temp is another.
>>> So. I've heard some talk about using filters on the flash to ballanse
>>> the colour temp better.
>>>
>>> Ok. That's the background. My question is.
>>> How and where do I find suitable filters and filter solutions for at
>>> Pentax 540? Are there any dedicated units out there, or do I put
>>> filters inside ie. a Lumiquest soft box?
>>> -- 
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Ken Waller]

> Hey - I'm happy to get the call - just not at 3 AM :)

Sounds almost like a challenge to me.

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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!


> Scott Loveless wrote:
> 
>>ann sanfedele wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>I'll be thinking about you - and am glad I'm in the same time zone 
>>>incase you guys actually miss me.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That never stopped us before.
>>
>>  
>>
> Hey - I'm happy to get the call - just not at 3 AM :)
> 
> ann
> 
> BTW
> 
> I'm going to Boston to see a friend on Monday JUne 2nd  - having secured 
> a $3.00 round trip
> bus ticket!  that's to reward myself for not being able to go to GFM 
> my budget for the entire trip
> is $60.00  for 3 days.  
> 
> (it's called sponge off your friends)


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List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

[Jaume Lahuerta]

>>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking 
occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. 
News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.

Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since 
the digital era took over.
Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a main 
topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here seems a 
bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers rather than 
photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people talking 
on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used to) Pentax 
equipment.

No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture simulator') 
but also no more guru's anticipating future developments...that's why people 
has to look elsewhere to find it and, eventually, report it here in case 
someone is still interested.

Regards,
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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[Ken Waller]

> What I've heard is that global warming is thought to be a major
> contributor to algal bloom in some Canadian lakes.

In Michigan, I've heard Algae bloom also blammed on fertyilizer run off.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement


> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:52 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2008/5/28 frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>> Sadly, due to acid rain and global warming, loons are on the decline.
>>
>> I don't think global warming affects the loons in particular. AFAIK,
>> they're flexible in their climate requirements. Acid rain does,
>> however, because it diminish the fish populations that loons feed on.
>
> What I've heard is that global warming is thought to be a major
> contributor to algal bloom in some Canadian lakes.  Since loons hunt
> fish by sight, if they can't see to catch fish, they won't populate
> those lakes with algal bloom, thus squeezing them out of longtime
> habitats.
>
> cheers,
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Re: Prairie Country

[Ken Waller]

Nice as is but I think I would have tried different perspectives.  Something 
odd about the fence appearing to end in the sky. A higher perspective 
putting the top of the fence below the tree line might be an improvement.

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- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Prairie Country


> G'day All,
>
> I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday last year to
> the US & Canada with the aim of putting together a photo book.
>
> Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):
>
> 
>
> K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)
>
> Any & all comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement

[Ken Waller]

> Sadly, due to acid rain and global warming, loons are on the decline.

Not from what I can tell in Michigan - I'm seeing them in places I've never 
seen them before.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PESO - A week-end story of enablement


> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ooohhh!
>>
>> I love canoes.  We have a lovely red canoe we got each
>> other as a 10th anniversary present, almost 21 years
>> ago, and we love going out in it.  Last summer we had
>> my grandfather's 1906-vintage Old Town rehabbed, and
>> it is lovely.  I'll have to post some pics sometime.
>>
>> Your Black-Throated Diver looks very similar to one of
>> our Common Loons.  The loons' calls are amazing and
>> lovely on a quiet lake.
>
> You're right there, Rick.  The loons' calls (there are several)
> virtually define the wilderness in this part of the world.  They're
> haunting and beautiful.  I have memories of camping and cottaging on
> quiet lakes north of Toronto and Montreal, waking up at sunrise to
> hear their call.  In most cases they were several kilometres away, but
> the call carries across the glassy-still water, echoing off the
> surrounding hills.
>
> I remember one cool summer morning as a child, sitting with my father
> at the end of a dock, watching a loon dive for minutes at a time, then
> surface hundreds of metres away.  We sat there for a good hour
> watching it, not saying a word to each other, just pointing every few
> minutes when it surfaced:  "There it is!", then remaining quiet again
> until the next sighting.
>
> It was pretty cool.
>
> Sadly, due to acid rain and global warming, loons are on the decline.
>
> cheers,
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Re: GFM and the Carolina's in summer

[Ken Waller]

Let me know if you go - I'll point out some of my favs.

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- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GFM and the Carolina's in summer


> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Have you thought about the east coast of Lake Michigan?  Ken Waller &
>>> Mark Cassino's territory?
>>
>> Or the Upper Peninsula of Michigan - should be familiar to you Dave since
>> you had so many traverses thru in the winter.
>
> Yup, made what 5-6 trips i think. Would not mind seeing that area and
> NOT having to shoot through the wind shield.
> I';ll mull that over with the treasury department. I could prpbably
> talk her into a 2-3 day drive tour and come home via Thunder Bay
>
> LOL
>
> Dave
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: GFM and the Carolina's in summer
>>
>>
>>> Dave,
>>> The Smokey Mountain National Park will be very busy.
>>> I imagine bumper to bumper traffic over the mountains thru the gap (RT
>>> 441).
>>> Gatlinburg is worse with tourists and Pigeon Forge is 'the pits'.
>>> Gas prices should put all of the Ohio valley there this summer for a
>>> local vacation.
>>> Have you thought about the east coast of Lake Michigan?  Ken Waller &
>>> Mark Cassino's territory?
>>> I could do that.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
 I';m still a bit miffed at having to miss this years gala, and have
 tossed
 this idea around with the treasury department.

 Once school is out for July and August, the only work i'll have is
 my horse shows, weekends, but i do have 2 maybe 3 free weekends to do
 some travel.

 I suppose i could also do it during the week, now that i think about 
 it.

 I know what the are is like this time of year, lots of weather
 changes, lots of mist in the hills, etc,
 but whats it like in that neck of the woods in summer.

 Would one still get the "ahhh" factor.?? How busy would the parkway
 be. I'll assume very.

 Dave


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Re: PESO - Dayton-esque

[Ken Waller]

Very nice Bruce, but I find the central vertical line competing somewhat for 
my eye.
I like the simplicity & colorful background.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO - Dayton-esque


> It may seem like I have fallen off the edge of the world, but I
> assure you that I am still alive.  I have been extremely busy with
> work this past while and have not been able to participate as I would
> like.  Hopefully, I'll be able to participate more.
>
> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
> ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5968.htm
>
>
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Re: format SDHC card error

[P. J. Alling]

If your K10D firmware is up to date, I would.

Toine wrote:
> I got my first SDHC card (4GB) for the K10D.
> If I format the card the K10D displays "memory card error". I don't
> think it's normal but it does write images normally...
>
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[pnstenquist]

I agree. I go to dpreview myself from time to time. I realize it has some 
value. But so many things get blown out of proportion that the annoyance factor 
is huge.

The initial posts about the hot pixel/mirror lockup link seem to suggest that 
the hot pixel/mirror lockup problem only happens when shooting jpegs. Or 
perhaps it's only visible then due to conversion fixes? In any case, I've used 
mirror lockup a few times with no visible problems. However, I only shoot RAW. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Apparently a firmware problem.
> We'll see.
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=28085894
> 
> William Robb
> 
> -
> 
> I hope it is indeed firmware. (Pentax corporate HQ is not always honest, 
> and Pentax reps are not always knowledgeable.)
> 
> I shot some RAW photos the other day with my K20D using two-second 
> delay. Looking at the images in Pentax's browser (no RAW conversion), I 
> don't see the hot pixel problem that others have seen.
> 
> BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking 
> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. 
> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
> 
> Joe
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Re: PESO: Prairie Country

[Bruce Dayton]

This one almost grabs me.  I'm trying to decide what doesn't quite
work.  It might be the fence in the lower left - perhaps it gets a
bit lost there or weakens the composition.  Also could be that near
horizon point, the buildings are just too small to grab my attention
- making the grass be the subject.  It needs something else, me
thinks.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 7:23:43 AM, you wrote:

DS> G'day All,

DS> I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday last year to
DS> the US & Canada with the aim of putting together a photo book.

DS> Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):

DS> 

DS> K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)

DS> Any & all comments welcome.

DS> Cheers,

DS> Dave




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Re: OT: Mini SD Cards

[Bruce Dayton]

I have one 4gb and two 2gb micro SD cards - I got them for use with
cell phones but have put them in adapters and tried them in the K10D.
They worked just fine there.  All mine are Kingston brand.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 6:41:24 AM, you wrote:

DJM> Has anyone used this type of card?  does it work?

DJM> http://www.woot.com/




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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Joseph Tainter]

Apparently a firmware problem.
We'll see.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=28085894

William Robb

-

I hope it is indeed firmware. (Pentax corporate HQ is not always honest, 
and Pentax reps are not always knowledgeable.)

I shot some RAW photos the other day with my K20D using two-second 
delay. Looking at the images in Pentax's browser (no RAW conversion), I 
don't see the hot pixel problem that others have seen.

BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking 
occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site. 
News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.

Joe

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Re: PESO: Prairie Country

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Overall I like the concept, but I think the OOF lines of the barbed  
wire in the foreground-lower portion of the frame are a bit too heavy  
and distracting. They draw my eye downwards and off the image.  
Creating a vignette combining blur and more darkening of that area,  
and maybe cropping a little off the top, might do the trick ... worth  
a try.

I'm still working my way through the 2006 trip to the UK!

Godfrey

On May 28, 2008, at 7:23 AM, David Savage wrote:

> I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday last year to
> the US & Canada with the aim of putting together a photo book.
>
> Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):
>
> 
> K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)
>

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[Scott Loveless]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Christine  Aguila
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Like Jack, I'm all caught up in the excitement about the PDML trip to GFM,
>> so I'd like to wish all those in route safe travels, a great time, and happy
>> shooting.  Looking forward to the stories and photos. Maybe next year I'll
>> join you all.
>>
>> Drink a beer for me--I tend to like the darker ales! ;-)
>>
>> Big cheers, Christine
> 
> BIG HINT:  If Norm Baugher asks for your phone number, don't give it.
> 
> You've been warned.
> 
> Ask Cotty if you don't believe me!

You better give your number to me.  You know, for safe keeping.

> cheers,
> frank
> 
> ps:  safe travels to all (even Scott who was mean to me yesterday)  ;-)

Sorry, Frank.  I'll try to be nice to you once or twice to make up for 
it.  :)

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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Christine  Aguila
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Like Jack, I'm all caught up in the excitement about the PDML trip to GFM,
>> so I'd like to wish all those in route safe travels, a great time, and happy
>> shooting.  Looking forward to the stories and photos. Maybe next year I'll
>> join you all.
>>
>> Drink a beer for me--I tend to like the darker ales! ;-)
>>
>> Big cheers, Christine
>
> BIG HINT:  If Norm Baugher asks for your phone number, don't give it.
>
> You've been warned.
>
> Ask Cotty if you don't believe me!

But don't call Cotty, he won't answer

Dave
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> ps:  safe travels to all (even Scott who was mean to me yesterday)  ;-)
>
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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[frank theriault]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Christine  Aguila
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like Jack, I'm all caught up in the excitement about the PDML trip to GFM,
> so I'd like to wish all those in route safe travels, a great time, and happy
> shooting.  Looking forward to the stories and photos. Maybe next year I'll
> join you all.
>
> Drink a beer for me--I tend to like the darker ales! ;-)
>
> Big cheers, Christine

BIG HINT:  If Norm Baugher asks for your phone number, don't give it.

You've been warned.

Ask Cotty if you don't believe me!

cheers,
frank

ps:  safe travels to all (even Scott who was mean to me yesterday)  ;-)

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Re: PESO - Hot Tea

[P. J. Alling]

I like that one, it's simple but effective.

frank theriault wrote:
> For a cool morning:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4f2cj4
>
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SDQTW_BRrfI/CFo/LMM_Oq4FhPk/s1600-h/may_20_08+011.jpg
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>   


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Re: PESO -- Grand Avenue Bridge II was [Re: PESO -- Grand Avenue Bridge]

[P. J. Alling]

As oil is clearly now in a bubble, (like tech, ah, dot com really, 10 
years ago, and housing up until a couple of years ago), I expect that 
the price of oil, and gasoline, will drop sometime in the relatively 
near future.  All bubbles burst in the long run.  (Just remember what 
Keynes said about the long run).  So I doubt there will be that large a 
resurgence in Bikes vs Cars.  The cars will just be smaller...

Scott Loveless wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> It's a swing bridge, and is slated for renovation sometime in the next 
>> two years, (as soon as they finish rebuilding the bridge about 1/2 mile 
>> down river).  I usually fear for these old monuments as the results have 
>> been about 50% complete removal and replacement. The entire road 
>> parallel to the river at that point is slated to be changed from 2 lanes 
>> to 4.  Now mind you this is to handle the increased traffic, which was 
>> wholly the result of the other bridge being reconstructed...
>>
>> 
> Give it a couple years.  That 4 lane road will feel roomy, what with 4 
> or 5 bikes to every car.
>
> Nice photo, BTW.
>
>   


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Re: Wishing the GFMers a great time!

[David Savage]

2008/5/28 ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> (it's called sponge off your friends)

Hey, that's what I did at GFM last year :-)

Cheers,

Dave

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