Re: Gallery Rejects
So what about all the dragonflies and other kinds of flies? Even more numerous. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:57:20 AM, you wrote: MR Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the MR kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. MR I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this MR week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman MR holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Untitled
Hello Cotty, The 3D effect is very cool on this one. Nice work! -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, June 21, 2008, 9:28:55 AM, you wrote: C Having seen yet again what superb work can be achieved in the hands of C capable nature photographers at this year's Grandfather Mountain NPW, C I've decided to try and improve my (in)abilites. Hopefully the first of many: C http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/nature/images/pic34.html C Canon EOS-1D mark II and Pentax SMC-A* 85mm 1.4 C ISO 200, 1/2000th at f/1.4 C Serious advice gratefully received. If anyone can ID the plant, I would C be grateful. C -- C Cheers, C Cotty C ___/\__ C || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche C ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com C _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Gallery Rejects
Doesn't work in English, Bob. We say Van Goff. Doesn't work in Dutch either, where they say Fan Hookh. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 21 June 2008 15:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects Bob, Is that the one where they say... Pack all your stuff up in that Van and Go Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, they judges could be like the curators who rejected the Impressionists, failing to recognise the new wave. The Impressionists also established a Salon des Refuses. But if you think that you are in that position, be careful - you could be suffering from the Van Gogh fallacy. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Cadiz
http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=cadiz I'm shooting a lot with the M8, although the K10D with 12-24 comes with me always, just for when I need a wider perspective. The first picture of the set is with the K10D. Comments welcome, I think it's fair to say that most, if not all of us, are not only awestruck with your work, but actually just a tiny bit envious. Tiny? I hate the s*d for his talent which should be mine! I'm editing my Solstice photos at the moment, so I dare not look at Juan's gallery until afterwards. Otherwise I'll just get depressed and burn everything. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: PDML mascot sighted...
That's rather disappointing - I was expecting it to be wearing a Groucho moustache and glasses. Try a bit harder next time. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin Sent: 21 June 2008 06:16 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: PDML mascot sighted... ... in Costa Rican rain forest last week. Wearing a disguise. http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/?photo=h38E321E7#954409447 stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
So the English are not agog about Van Gogh. Fair enuff... :-) 2008/6/22 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Doesn't work in English, Bob. We say Van Goff. Doesn't work in Dutch either, where they say Fan Hookh. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 21 June 2008 15:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects Bob, Is that the one where they say... Pack all your stuff up in that Van and Go Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, they judges could be like the curators who rejected the Impressionists, failing to recognise the new wave. The Impressionists also established a Salon des Refuses. But if you think that you are in that position, be careful - you could be suffering from the Van Gogh fallacy. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
I've sometimes wondered why they don't prune the gallery once in a while. In particular, I think the Premier Collection would benefit from a time-limited election. I know Pentax Norway refer people to the Gallery when they get questions like whether a particular lens is good for whatever. From their POV, good shots made with new lenses should appear without any particular regard to the uniqueness of the shot as such. Peer review effectively prohibits that... Perhaps some fast-track solution for shots made with novelty lenses would balance that one, but it still doesn't solve the general crowding. Jostein 2008/6/22 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The gallery i's not a teaching tool, so it shouldn't be expected to educate. And part of the problem with an overwhelming majority of rejects lies in the fact that the gallery is quite full. I'm sure they dont' want to add work endlessly. So, at this point, uniqueness counts more than it might under normal circumstances. -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think many have any idea of what is good and, therefore, have no basis for editing. Posting to the Gallery will not teach them anything as they have no clue as to why they are being rejected. Jack --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 9:29 AM On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. Even worse: Seventy-five shots of the same subject (say, a waterfall) all bullseyed but at different focal lengths by the same photographer. Learn to edit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off to NC again...
On 21/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Only this time it's for *vacation*. Especially needed by Dr. Lisa who's put in a string of weeks with 14-hour (or more) days. We'll do some hiking (probably one or two days at/near GFM) and I'm bringing a load of camera gear. I'm going to pack the 67 as well as the digital kit. We'll see if anything comes of it... Then there's the Blood, Sweat Gears 100-mile bicycle ride next Saturday. 102 miles forward with 13,000 feet of climb. Wish me luck. Hope you two have a good time - and of course good luck with the B,S and G. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/22 Sun AM 05:33:41 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz Hope she remembered to buckle up. Hate if she fell and Bruch her bones sorry about that, couldn't resist. ;^) Long time PDML fan and lurker. Fan Nic Walking in the centre of The Hague yesterday, I heard this Chopin Waltz coming along, obviously part of a music festival activity. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/2581285273/ I wonder if she remembered her Chopin Liszt ? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Cadiz
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/22 Sun AM 07:15:17 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: GESO: Cadiz http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=cadiz I'm shooting a lot with the M8, although the K10D with 12-24 comes with me always, just for when I need a wider perspective. The first picture of the set is with the K10D. Comments welcome, I think it's fair to say that most, if not all of us, are not only awestruck with your work, but actually just a tiny bit envious. Tiny? I hate the s*d for his talent which should be mine! I'm editing my Solstice photos at the moment, so I dare not look at Juan's gallery until afterwards. Otherwise I'll just get depressed and burn everything. You have time to edit? I hate you. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Filly Loo
On Friday I went to Ashmore, a village in Dorset, to photograph their midsummer festival, which is called Filly Loo. The festival takes place around the village pond, a dew pond which supposedly goes back to before Roman times. The festival itself seems to go back a very long time too, and is a very enjoyable occasion, almost like being in Thomas Hardy's day: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ After this I went over to Stonehenge for the solstice, and will post a gallery later. These 2 events were my first serious attempt to use 2nd-curtain slow-synch flash, so I made a lot of technical errors, but it's a useful technique on a wet midsummer's eve, and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Comments welcome, of course. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz
Long time PDML fan and lurker. Fan Fan (n.). [1] Bladed device for circulating air. [2] Anyone who doesn't send me hate mail. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz
On 22/6/08, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Fan Sure. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01033b.jpg -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
On 22/6/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: On Friday I went to Ashmore, a village in Dorset, to photograph their midsummer festival, which is called Filly Loo. The festival takes place around the village pond, a dew pond which supposedly goes back to before Roman times. The festival itself seems to go back a very long time too, and is a very enjoyable occasion, almost like being in Thomas Hardy's day: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ After this I went over to Stonehenge for the solstice, and will post a gallery later. These 2 events were my first serious attempt to use 2nd-curtain slow-synch flash, so I made a lot of technical errors, but it's a useful technique on a wet midsummer's eve, and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Comments welcome, of course. Some lovely shots in there Bob. English nutters at their best. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:11:19 +0100, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Friday I went to Ashmore, a village in Dorset, to photograph their midsummer festival, which is called Filly Loo. The festival takes place around the village pond, a dew pond which supposedly goes back to before Roman times. The festival itself seems to go back a very long time too, and is a very enjoyable occasion, almost like being in Thomas Hardy's day: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ After this I went over to Stonehenge for the solstice, and will post a gallery later. These 2 events were my first serious attempt to use 2nd-curtain slow-synch flash, so I made a lot of technical errors, but it's a useful technique on a wet midsummer's eve, and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Comments welcome, of course. Nice work even though the festival looks a bit like a set from Midsomer Murders I particularly liked 6207778 with the two girls by the lake and 6207752 with the creature from the black lagoon Looking forward to seeing the Stonehenge set. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
Yes. And I doubt that a dragonfly would be accepted today. Unless it was an extraordinary dragonfly doing heroic things:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what about all the dragonflies and other kinds of flies? Even more numerous. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:57:20 AM, you wrote: MR Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the MR kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. MR I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this MR week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman MR holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off to NC again...
Enjoy. Dave On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only this time it's for *vacation*. Especially needed by Dr. Lisa who's put in a string of weeks with 14-hour (or more) days. We'll do some hiking (probably one or two days at/near GFM) and I'm bringing a load of camera gear. I'm going to pack the 67 as well as the digital kit. We'll see if anything comes of it... Then there's the Blood, Sweat Gears 100-mile bicycle ride next Saturday. 102 miles forward with 13,000 feet of climb. Wish me luck. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Cadiz
Ken Waller wrote: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: From: John Francis On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:04:59AM +1000, Derby Chang wrote: Cotty wrote: That was indeed a glue gun. Unplugged. You what you're telling us is that it was a stick up? He'll probably adhere to his statement. This is all very fastenating. His name is Bond, Juan Bond Epoxy on both your houses ... So much for the ties that bind OK - so basically what you're saying is that Juan was in a sticky situation. We better lay off or he might become unglued. I think that was a cut-and-paste job. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
Never heard about Fan Hookh. You will not be able to pronounce it, but if you wish to exercise, try as vaan ggogg as if using a gargle. Henk Bob W schreef: Doesn't work in English, Bob. We say Van Goff. Doesn't work in Dutch either, where they say Fan Hookh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: If you think...
...the 5D is too large a camera for you: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2600575676_c8a781205d_o.jpg If a 9 year old girl can use it, so can you. HTFU. Cheers, Dave :-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/22 Sun AM 09:27:59 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Filly Loo On 22/6/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: On Friday I went to Ashmore, a village in Dorset, to photograph their midsummer festival, which is called Filly Loo. The festival takes place around the village pond, a dew pond which supposedly goes back to before Roman times. The festival itself seems to go back a very long time too, and is a very enjoyable occasion, almost like being in Thomas Hardy's day: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ After this I went over to Stonehenge for the solstice, and will post a gallery later. These 2 events were my first serious attempt to use 2nd-curtain slow-synch flash, so I made a lot of technical errors, but it's a useful technique on a wet midsummer's eve, and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Comments welcome, of course. Some lovely shots in there Bob. English nutters at their best. The place seems to be suffering from a surfeit of comely maidens. Shame. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
It's just my theory, Ken. =) Jack --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 9:34 PM What you say sounds good but it isn't born out in the majority of what I see being submitted. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects Being involved in the gallery will expose folks to some very good work. Those examples will have their impact on anyone who is truly interested. The education comes as a result of the effort to have work accepted. As always, the greater the desire the more rewarded will be the effort. Jack --- On Sat, 6/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 5:19 PM The gallery i's not a teaching tool, so it shouldn't be expected to educate. And part of the problem with an overwhelming majority of rejects lies in the fact that the gallery is quite full. I'm sure they dont' want to add work endlessly. So, at this point, uniqueness counts more than it might under normal circumstances. -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think many have any idea of what is good and, therefore, have no basis for editing. Posting to the Gallery will not teach them anything as they have no clue as to why they are being rejected. Jack --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 9:29 AM On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. Even worse: Seventy-five shots of the same subject (say, a waterfall) all bullseyed but at different focal lengths by the same photographer. Learn to edit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
Paul, your early dragonfly offering (accepted in the Premiere Collection) set a very high standard for the rest of us. ;( Jack --- On Sun, 6/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 2:45 AM Yes. And I doubt that a dragonfly would be accepted today. Unless it was an extraordinary dragonfly doing heroic things:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what about all the dragonflies and other kinds of flies? Even more numerous. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:57:20 AM, you wrote: MR Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the MR kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. MR I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this MR week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman MR holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
Thanks Jack. Like so many shots, that dragonfly pic was a matter of being in the right place at the right time with the right equipment. It happens to everyone, and the more one shoots, the more it happens. Paul On Jun 22, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Paul, your early dragonfly offering (accepted in the Premiere Collection) set a very high standard for the rest of us. ;( Jack --- On Sun, 6/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 2:45 AM Yes. And I doubt that a dragonfly would be accepted today. Unless it was an extraordinary dragonfly doing heroic things:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what about all the dragonflies and other kinds of flies? Even more numerous. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:57:20 AM, you wrote: MR Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the MR kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. MR I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this MR week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman MR holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Filly Loo
http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ The place seems to be suffering from a surfeit of comely maidens. Shame. not any more. They were all sacrificed at Stonehenge later. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
Right, and quoting Ansel; when preparation meets opportunity. Jack --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:31 AM Thanks Jack. Like so many shots, that dragonfly pic was a matter of being in the right place at the right time with the right equipment. It happens to everyone, and the more one shoots, the more it happens. Paul On Jun 22, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Paul, your early dragonfly offering (accepted in the Premiere Collection) set a very high standard for the rest of us. ;( Jack --- On Sun, 6/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 2:45 AM Yes. And I doubt that a dragonfly would be accepted today. Unless it was an extraordinary dragonfly doing heroic things:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what about all the dragonflies and other kinds of flies? Even more numerous. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:57:20 AM, you wrote: MR Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the MR kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. MR I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this MR week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman MR holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Black-headed gull
2008/6/21 Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree, but I disagree. A lot technically excelent photos are made at Østensjøvannet. Some of them are interesting too. But this has something else, this is a moment of interaction. This picture tells a story. Give yourself a break, my friend. Pet your left shoulder, you deserve it :-) Hmmm... On the whole, it seems that people like this shot a lot more than I do, and therefore a lot more than I ever expected. While I'm very happy that people like what I do, I'm still somewhat puzzled by this. My own expectation is that it shouldn't be _that_ easy to take good bird shots... The dedicated bird photographers I know seem to put a lot of effort into it. But anyway, humble thanks to everyone who have voiced their appreciation for this shot. It certainly is encouraging for the trip the coming week-end. Now, if only the weather will cooperate... Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Black-headed gull
AlunFoto wrote: 2008/6/21 Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree, but I disagree. A lot technically excelent photos are made at Østensjøvannet. Some of them are interesting too. But this has something else, this is a moment of interaction. This picture tells a story. Joestein replied: Hmmm... On the whole, it seems that people like this shot a lot more than I do, and therefore a lot more than I ever expected. While I'm very happy that people like what I do, I'm still somewhat puzzled by this. But anyway, humble thanks to everyone who have voiced their appreciation for this shot. It certainly is encouraging for the trip the coming week-end. Now, if only the weather will cooperate... Jostein === Following Marnie's style of replying to make things clear... I read the few comments that were in my folder today and it seems that they all revolve around how well the lens/camera performs... So sharp, so much detail, etc... so I'll come over to your side, J. Most who know us both know I'm a devoted fan of your photography - there are a number of them that are burned into my memory because they are such strong representaions of what photos are about to me - not just sharp - good color nice bokeh , etc., but the interaction of all these things with a more ephemeral quality - emotion, perception, your view of the world around you... These gulls are so sharp they look like Betina Rheims placed them on the water stuck together... they would be fine in a bird field guide.. and the juxtaposition of the two birds is nice, but the lack of motion detracts from the impact . If I'm only looking at the geometry of the shot, I'd move the birds a bit over to the right and crop a bit off the top to keep the proportions the same It's a good stock photo because you can really see what the birds look like for identification and its a nice exhibit of what one can do with a camera and if I didn't know you were so much better I wouldn't say a thing. Yr friend and fan, annsan (who has been in lurk mode by necessity mostly these days) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
I'm interested in comments on what PDMLers think about extending the Pentax factory warranty (2 years in Canada) with an extended warranty. My impression is that Pentax lenses, especially such as the Limited ones, are very rugged and reliable and so an extended warranty is a waste of money. Background: I purchased a new SMC DA 2.8 35mm Macro Limited on Saturday. This was my first purchase from a particular large Canadian photo chain (Henry's). I was taken aback by how aggressively the sales guy was pushing Henry's extended warranties on stuff, even on the UV filter! The lens was $449 Ca, and they want $79 for a warranty that will push total coverage out to 5 years. I'm always leery of 3rd-party extended warranties on products that are generally solidly built and expected to last for a very long time, so I declined it. My take is that stores like this don't feel they're making enough on the bare products so they want to load the purchase with useless add-ons. (I know that many feel that UV filters themselves are useless add-ons.) So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now, or did I shrewdly avoid a store tax? Cheers! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off to NC again...
On Jun 21, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Only this time it's for *vacation*. Especially needed by Dr. Lisa who's put in a string of weeks with 14-hour (or more) days. We'll do some hiking (probably one or two days at/near GFM) and I'm bringing a load of camera gear. I'm going to pack the 67 as well as the digital kit. We'll see if anything comes of it... Then there's the Blood, Sweat Gears 100-mile bicycle ride next Saturday. 102 miles forward with 13,000 feet of climb. Wish me luck. have fun, freak. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: K20D Extended Dynamic Range
Excellent!, Thank you Paul. Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To expand on my previous answer, one of the toughest parts of wedding photography is preserving texture in the white wedding gown without relegating the groom's black tux to shadow hell. I haven't had a lot of problems with this in the past, but EDR will be a plus in this regard. Paul -- Original message -- From: Angel Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry. Should say: . . . use the camera in normal mode? Angel Angel Ramos wrote: Paul, If you were doing or work in weddings would you use this function or you would use the camera in nomal mode? Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's active for RAW files. You can select it in the ISO function screen. It limits the range of choices, eliminating ISO 100 and ISO6399. This apparently has something to do with using that capacity to exend the range. Paul -- Original message -- From: George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul - Is the extended dynamic range active for raw files or is it part of the processing for a jpg? Thanks, gs On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Roman's point about extended dynamic range. I shoot in that mode almost continuously. About the only time I turn it off is if I need ISO 100 or 6400, and those times are rare. I've noticed considerably improvement in dynamic range over the K10D, but I was still surprised to see sky tones in this shot. In fact, I cropped it to leave a touch of blue at the top, although the part of the sky in frame was primarily white cloud. Thought it would be a complete burnout. There is a bit of flash fill here, which helps by boosting the foreground. But it's minimal as the shot is at 135mm, and the subject is quite distant. f3.2, 1/1250, ISO 200. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7434474 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
Very few extended warranties are worthwhile. You avoided a store tax. The only extended warranty I've ever purchased is AppleCare for Macs. I think that's a bit of a ripoff as well, but it's a necessary evil. Paul On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: I'm interested in comments on what PDMLers think about extending the Pentax factory warranty (2 years in Canada) with an extended warranty. My impression is that Pentax lenses, especially such as the Limited ones, are very rugged and reliable and so an extended warranty is a waste of money. Background: I purchased a new SMC DA 2.8 35mm Macro Limited on Saturday. This was my first purchase from a particular large Canadian photo chain (Henry's). I was taken aback by how aggressively the sales guy was pushing Henry's extended warranties on stuff, even on the UV filter! The lens was $449 Ca, and they want $79 for a warranty that will push total coverage out to 5 years. I'm always leery of 3rd-party extended warranties on products that are generally solidly built and expected to last for a very long time, so I declined it. My take is that stores like this don't feel they're making enough on the bare products so they want to load the purchase with useless add-ons. (I know that many feel that UV filters themselves are useless add-ons.) So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now, or did I shrewdly avoid a store tax? Cheers! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Black-headed gull
Jostein, my praise for the image is largely based on your able use of an outstanding lens. That, together with the unique positioning of the gulls, I consider to have been an extremely fortunate set of circumstances. Own it! Jack --- On Sun, 6/22/08, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - Black-headed gull To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 7:00 AM 2008/6/21 Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree, but I disagree. A lot technically excelent photos are made at Østensjøvannet. Some of them are interesting too. But this has something else, this is a moment of interaction. This picture tells a story. Give yourself a break, my friend. Pet your left shoulder, you deserve it :-) Hmmm... On the whole, it seems that people like this shot a lot more than I do, and therefore a lot more than I ever expected. While I'm very happy that people like what I do, I'm still somewhat puzzled by this. My own expectation is that it shouldn't be _that_ easy to take good bird shots... The dedicated bird photographers I know seem to put a lot of effort into it. But anyway, humble thanks to everyone who have voiced their appreciation for this shot. It certainly is encouraging for the trip the coming week-end. Now, if only the weather will cooperate... Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Filly Loo
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/22 Sun PM 01:40:05 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Filly Loo http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ The place seems to be suffering from a surfeit of comely maidens. Shame. not any more. They were all sacrificed at Stonehenge later. I suspected something grim was about to befall the place. Maybe an attack of sex-crazed vampires or an outbreak of facerot pox. Or even the glowing eyed kid syndrome. Solstice sacrifice is almost poetic after those possibilities. Your pictures are going to be interesting. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz
- Original Message - From: Nic Subject: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz Hope she remembered to buckle up. Hate if she fell and Bruch her bones sorry about that, couldn't resist. ;^) You seem to have a Handel on this stuff. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
From: Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/22 Sun PM 02:33:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while? I'm interested in comments on what PDMLers think about extending the Pentax factory warranty (2 years in Canada) with an extended warranty. My impression is that Pentax lenses, especially such as the Limited ones, are very rugged and reliable and so an extended warranty is a waste of money. Background: I purchased a new SMC DA 2.8 35mm Macro Limited on Saturday. This was my first purchase from a particular large Canadian photo chain (Henry's). I was taken aback by how aggressively the sales guy was pushing Henry's extended warranties on stuff, even on the UV filter! The lens was $449 Ca, and they want $79 for a warranty that will push total coverage out to 5 years. I'm always leery of 3rd-party extended warranties on products that are generally solidly built and expected to last for a very long time, so I declined it. My take is that stores like this don't feel they're making enough on the bare products so they want to load the purchase with useless add-ons. (I know that many feel that UV filters themselves are useless add-ons.) So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now, or did I shrewdly avoid a store tax? Don't need it in the UK. The law requires that goods sold are fit for purpose. That means that an expensive professional piece of equipment, that is not being (ab)used in a professional manner should last an exceedingly long time. Even better, if it does not live up to reasonable expectations, it is the _retailer_ that is responsible, as that is who you have a contract to supply with. I have taken things back to shops way out of any supplied guarantee and had replacements. On one occasion, there was no equivalent and I received a significant upgrade. The law was made in the 1890's... - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
Bob, Over here in the colonies, we like to pronounce things in our own ways. Eee Zed cleaners?!? Who would name their dry cleaners Eee Zed? It's EZ pronounced EASY over here. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't work in English, Bob. We say Van Goff. Doesn't work in Dutch either, where they say Fan Hookh. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 21 June 2008 15:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects Bob, Is that the one where they say... Pack all your stuff up in that Van and Go Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, they judges could be like the curators who rejected the Impressionists, failing to recognise the new wave. The Impressionists also established a Salon des Refuses. But if you think that you are in that position, be careful - you could be suffering from the Van Gogh fallacy. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
On Jun 22, 2008, at 5:11 AM, Bob W wrote: On Friday I went to Ashmore, a village in Dorset, to photograph their midsummer festival, which is called Filly Loo. The festival takes place around the village pond, a dew pond which supposedly goes back to before Roman times. The festival itself seems to go back a very long time too, and is a very enjoyable occasion, almost like being in Thomas Hardy's day: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ After this I went over to Stonehenge for the solstice, and will post a gallery later. These 2 events were my first serious attempt to use 2nd-curtain slow-synch flash, so I made a lot of technical errors, but it's a useful technique on a wet midsummer's eve, and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Comments welcome, of course. Bob Dear Bob at domain name, I thought of you when I saw a headline about gatherings at Stonehenge for the Solstice, wondered if you were going to shoot it. I look forward to your interpretation. Sort of disappointed you didn't join in the Antler Dance, but I understand. Objectivity, and all that, right? Some of the images are stronger than others here, but there are none I dislike. Of particular note are numbers 7, 8, 15 and 27. Thanks for posting this. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Cadiz
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Re: GESO: Cadiz Ken Waller wrote: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: From: John Francis On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:04:59AM +1000, Derby Chang wrote: Cotty wrote: That was indeed a glue gun. Unplugged. You what you're telling us is that it was a stick up? He'll probably adhere to his statement. This is all very fastenating. His name is Bond, Juan Bond Epoxy on both your houses ... So much for the ties that bind OK - so basically what you're saying is that Juan was in a sticky situation. We better lay off or he might become unglued. I think that was a cut-and-paste job. I wonder if his name is Elmer? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
- Original Message - From: Bruce Walker Subject: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while? I'm interested in comments on what PDMLers think about extending the Pentax factory warranty (2 years in Canada) with an extended warranty. My impression is that Pentax lenses, especially such as the Limited ones, are very rugged and reliable and so an extended warranty is a waste of money. Background: snip So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now, or did I shrewdly avoid a store tax? If a lens works flawlessly for the first couple of years of it's life, the odds are pretty much 100% that anything that derails it after that will be something that voids the warranty anyway (impact, for example), so you are going to have an expensive repair bill, warranty or no warranty. If you really want insurance, bump up your homeowners package instead, and make sure that your camera equipment is covered for all losses. Extended warranties are, for the most part, a waste of money. When I sold camera for Astral Photo, they pushed us really hard to sell extended warranties, IIRC, one Christmas season the spiff on a warranty was close to 30%, and we were told that it was a pure profitmaker, as the claims % was really small. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
Few of these store or extended warranty policies are worth anything other than as profit to the company and to the store. Lenses rarely break unless you damage them, and damage of that sort is never covered. If you want extended warranty protection, check your credit cards and see if any offer it as a service. I always buy with a card that at least doubles the manufacturers' warranty. Some cards also offer loss or damage reimbursement for a period of time ... American Express reimbursed the $900+ it cost to fix a camera that was flung from my hands when a small child ran into me while I was taking a photo from a stone bridge while in Italy. I'd only just purchased the camera two weeks before, while in the UK. Paul mentioned AppleCare (Apple Protection Plan). In the course of my time at Apple Computer, I worked extensively with the group defining that program to make it as good a value to the customers as possible. It's still a huge profit center for Apple ... but I feel good enough about my work there to the extent that I buy it for my systems and recommend it for my clients when they are looking to buy new Apple systems. It has paid off and proved a major savings for both myself and for several clients over the years. A necessary evil? well, I question the necessary part, but it has certainly done good for me. G On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: I'm interested in comments on what PDMLers think about extending the Pentax factory warranty (2 years in Canada) with an extended warranty. My impression is that Pentax lenses, especially such as the Limited ones, are very rugged and reliable and so an extended warranty is a waste of money. Background: I purchased a new SMC DA 2.8 35mm Macro Limited on Saturday. This was my first purchase from a particular large Canadian photo chain (Henry's). I was taken aback by how aggressively the sales guy was pushing Henry's extended warranties on stuff, even on the UV filter! The lens was $449 Ca, and they want $79 for a warranty that will push total coverage out to 5 years. I'm always leery of 3rd-party extended warranties on products that are generally solidly built and expected to last for a very long time, so I declined it. My take is that stores like this don't feel they're making enough on the bare products so they want to load the purchase with useless add-ons. (I know that many feel that UV filters themselves are useless add-ons.) So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now, or did I shrewdly avoid a store tax? Cheers! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Cadiz
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: GESO: Cadiz Cotty wrote: That was indeed a glue gun. Unplugged. You what you're telling us is that it was a stick up? He'll probably adhere to his statement. This is all very fastenating. His name is Bond, Juan Bond Epoxy on both your houses ... So much for the ties that bind OK - so basically what you're saying is that Juan was in a sticky situation. We better lay off or he might become unglued. I think that was a cut-and-paste job. I wonder if his name is Elmer? This is Krazy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
While Henry's Extended Warranty is excellent (I've received at least two free CLA's from it, and several replacements, in the mountain of used gear I've bought from them over the years) I wouldn't bother getting it with new gear where you have a manufacturer's wwarranty unless the manufacturer in question is known for screwing around with warranty claims. -Adam On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in comments on what PDMLers think about extending the Pentax factory warranty (2 years in Canada) with an extended warranty. My impression is that Pentax lenses, especially such as the Limited ones, are very rugged and reliable and so an extended warranty is a waste of money. Background: I purchased a new SMC DA 2.8 35mm Macro Limited on Saturday. This was my first purchase from a particular large Canadian photo chain (Henry's). I was taken aback by how aggressively the sales guy was pushing Henry's extended warranties on stuff, even on the UV filter! The lens was $449 Ca, and they want $79 for a warranty that will push total coverage out to 5 years. I'm always leery of 3rd-party extended warranties on products that are generally solidly built and expected to last for a very long time, so I declined it. My take is that stores like this don't feel they're making enough on the bare products so they want to load the purchase with useless add-ons. (I know that many feel that UV filters themselves are useless add-ons.) So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now, or did I shrewdly avoid a store tax? Cheers! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Filly Loo
http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ Sort of disappointed you didn't join in the Antler Dance, but I understand. Objectivity, and all that, right? thanks Doug, but in my little white Jane Austen dress I would have looked silly with antlers. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
Bob: When I read the subject line, I thought this was going to be something about the women's bathrooms; My disparate colloquial vernaculars must be clashing clanging this morning;-). Anyway, of this group I like 22, 50, 81, 84 (using last 2 numbers from the link id). For the kids shots, I'd get a little lower, then shoot. Looking forward to the Stonehenge gallery! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:11 AM Subject: Filly Loo On Friday I went to Ashmore, a village in Dorset, to photograph their midsummer festival, which is called Filly Loo. The festival takes place around the village pond, a dew pond which supposedly goes back to before Roman times. The festival itself seems to go back a very long time too, and is a very enjoyable occasion, almost like being in Thomas Hardy's day: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ After this I went over to Stonehenge for the solstice, and will post a gallery later. These 2 events were my first serious attempt to use 2nd-curtain slow-synch flash, so I made a lot of technical errors, but it's a useful technique on a wet midsummer's eve, and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Comments welcome, of course. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Portraits
John: Many of the portraits are playful fun--except the gloomier ones ;-). Very nice set. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: GESO: Portraits Recently started posting pics from 2003 in my gallery, and yesterday was Portrait Day. Please ignore the blog-babble at the beginning of the post: http://www.neovenator.com/2008/06/watching-lot-of-movies-last-couple.html Or view them in the actual gallery, without my comments: http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=454 Thanks, now back to lurking. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cadiz
Juan: A very powerful set of pictures. I think 23 is my fav followed by 32 (using the last 2 numbers of the link id.). Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: GESO: Cadiz Hello all, This is my typical post that happens every one or two months. Apologies for the on/off lurking. I'm just finished with a workshop with Alex Webb and Rebecca Norris Webb in Cadiz, Spain. We shot for four days, and these are my pictures for that time: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=cadiz I'm shooting a lot with the M8, although the K10D with 12-24 comes with me always, just for when I need a wider perspective. The first picture of the set is with the K10D. Comments welcome, j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Extended Dynamic Range
Paul: Very impressive-- the extended comments on this thread were very helpful! Thanks Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: PESO: K20D Extended Dynamic Range To Roman's point about extended dynamic range. I shoot in that mode almost continuously. About the only time I turn it off is if I need ISO 100 or 6400, and those times are rare. I've noticed considerably improvement in dynamic range over the K10D, but I was still surprised to see sky tones in this shot. In fact, I cropped it to leave a touch of blue at the top, although the part of the sky in frame was primarily white cloud. Thought it would be a complete burnout. There is a bit of flash fill here, which helps by boosting the foreground. But it's minimal as the shot is at 135mm, and the subject is quite distant. f3.2, 1/1250, ISO 200. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7434474 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Landscape School of Photography
King Silly--You've done it again! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 3:37 AM Subject: PESO: Landscape School of Photography G'day All, One from today for your consideration (~150kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2597448874_777e8c7568_o.jpg K20D, DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 10mm, 1/125 @ f5.6, ISO 400. Any all comments welcome. CHeers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - What is it?
It must be Cone Season. We have lots of those sighted around here too. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM, George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's orange, pops up on sunny days, and slows you down? Hint: this was shot through the windshield. http://www.crankygreek.com GS http://georgesphotos.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Lines and Shadows
Thanks for the info, Brian. I'll give it a go. Pat On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the image, a quick dab with a clone tool in any image editing program will get rid of it. On the camera (I have an *ist DS too), I use a 3 step process to handle dust: 1. A squeeze-type blower; if that doesn't work 2. A good quality artists nylon brush lightly brushed across the sensor; if that doesn't work. 3. A wet swab method using Pec pads and Eclipse liquid (I've only needed to do this 3 or 4 times since I've had the DS). Cloning out the odd dust spot in software is easier. See: http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/ for good information on sensor cleaning. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I am such a terrible businessperson
Argh. The owner of the vacant house two doors down has been renovating it so he can sell it. Two days ago he caught me leaning out the window with the 400mm lens, and shouted up to ask a favour of me. He wanted me to shoot the house for a web site. My automatic answer was, Yeah, I could do that. Half an hour later it finally occurred to me that maybe, just maybe, I should have made a suggestion involving money. Today was the shoot (I had to use the point-and-shoot for a few rooms because I don't have a wide enough lens for the Pentax -- getting those shots to not look jarringly different will be interesting). At the end, he brought up the money. I felt like I'd already screwed up by not raising the money issue at the beginning, and really am not sure how much I should've been asking in the first place, so I told him to figure out how much he thought the photos were worth to him when I give them to him, and pay me that plus advertise me to folks I can charge a more professional rate. Someday -- sooome dy -- I may learn to let the business part of my brain speak before the artist part. In the meantime, any of y'all have any pointers for me as to what someone might expecte to pay for a photographer to come in and document a house for a sales brochure and a web site? Should I just think in terms of reasonable hourly rate and keep track of how long the editing takes me? It's a rather pretty house, by the way. Where mine is a prime candidate for restoration (if I ever win the lottery), his is a good argument for renovation. Removing all the interior walls on the ground floor really brightens up the kitchen and dining room a lot (as well as, of course, making them feel more spacious), and the funky geometry of these houses still suggests a sort of demarkation between kitching/dining room and living room even without the walls. On the second floor, sacrificing part of one abnormally large bedroom to make space for a really fancy bathroom works out; the amount of bedroom left would look like an ordinary-size bedroom if I didn't know how large the same room is in my house. -- Glenn -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Ads for Pentax
There's been lots of discussion on this list and others regarding purchasing equipment from local BM stores vs on-line; small, independent retailers vs large retailers. Several weeks ago, I was wandering through a Ritz Camera store perusing the bag section when the Pentax display case caught my eye. The K200D the K20D were already on the market, but the store only had a K110D and a broken K100D Super on display (LCD didn't function, shutter did not work). The staff member told me that they did have a K10D at one point but after it was sold corporate didn't send them a replacement. When I inquired about the current line (K200D K20D), the member supposed that the management was waiting for the summer to be over and sell out all of the existing stock of K1x0 stock. However, I was told that I could order the K200D or K20D on-line with Ritz. If I wanted to buy on-line, I told him that there were probably several places that had it cheaper than Ritz and that the BM store was losing customers. He didn't disagree. There was another customer who came in for a Canon lens, but the store didn't have that in stock either. It was apparently a special order item. In the Ritz insert to Sunday's paper, I see they are advertising the Pentax K110D Super Digital SLR as a Blow Out Sale. Was there ever such a K110D Super? What would be the point in losing the business of walk-in customers by selling them out of date merchandise? Of course, there is always the option of taking your purchase on-line, but is that what this has come to? Pat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I am such a terrible businessperson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) Someday -- sooome dy -- I may learn to let the business part of my brain speak before the artist part. Two parts to your brain? Luxury.. Is that why you sign yourself.. -- Glenn -- Glenn? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Stonehenge
Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ads for Pentax
From: gldnbearz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/22 Sun PM 05:26:01 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Ads for Pentax There's been lots of discussion on this list and others regarding purchasing equipment from local BM stores vs on-line; small, independent retailers vs large retailers. Several weeks ago, I was wandering through a Ritz Camera store perusing the bag section when the Pentax display case caught my eye. The K200D the K20D were already on the market, but the store only had a K110D and a broken K100D Super on display (LCD didn't function, shutter did not work). The staff member told me that they did have a K10D at one point but after it was sold corporate didn't send them a replacement. When I inquired about the current line (K200D K20D), the member supposed that the management was waiting for the summer to be over and sell out all of the existing stock of K1x0 stock. However, I was told that I could order the K200D or K20D on-line with Ritz. If I wanted to buy on-line, I told him that there were probably several places that had it cheaper than Ritz and that the BM store was losing customers. He didn't disagree. There was another customer who came in for a Canon lens, but the store didn't have that in stock either. It was apparently a special order item. In the Ritz insert to Sunday's paper, I see they are advertising the Pentax K110D Super Digital SLR as a Blow Out Sale. Was there ever such a K110D Super? What would be the point in losing the business of walk-in customers by selling them out of date merchandise? Of course, there is always the option of taking your purchase on-line, but is that what this has come to? Well.. For the first time I can remember, there is a rebate on Pentax kit in the UK. I walked past an outlet of one of our biggest retail photography chains this afternoon, in a shopping centre that is one of the biggest on the country. In contrast to the huge boards spelling out the rebates on Canon and Nikon gear, the Pentax stuff had store-printed A4 sheets quoting the full retail price. As far as anything other than the big two is concerned (and, even then, just the mainstream stuff) it makes no sense whatsoever to buy equipment fron the High Street in the UK. As model changes accelerate, this will only get worse. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/22 Sun PM 06:11:50 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: Stonehenge Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ Some really interesting effects, there. Standouts for me are the hulas, the skull, one or two of the portraits and the mix of flash and ambient in 949. Excellent set. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Cadiz
Excellent, of course. I particularly like the one with the guy yawning - it reminded me of Paul Strand's photo of Wall Street, but having just looked again at Strand's photo I see they are quite different. Nevertheless, I think there is a line of descent there. There's also a famous photo taken in Chicago that this reminds me of, but I can't for the moment remember the photographer's name. How do other people on the workshops you take react to your photos? In particular, how do the leaders of the workshops react? I guess you must benefit from the workshops - you've done quite a few now. In what ways do you feel you've benefitted? Regards Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Buhler Sent: 20 June 2008 17:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: GESO: Cadiz Hello all, This is my typical post that happens every one or two months. Apologies for the on/off lurking. I'm just finished with a workshop with Alex Webb and Rebecca Norris Webb in Cadiz, Spain. We shot for four days, and these are my pictures for that time: http://www.jbuhler.com/photos/index.php?album=cadiz I'm shooting a lot with the M8, although the K10D with 12-24 comes with me always, just for when I need a wider perspective. The first picture of the set is with the K10D. Comments welcome, j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Filly Loo
Thanks. I don't know why it's called Filly Loo. Maybe it's something that dates back to the Bronze Age or something. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 22 June 2008 17:11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Filly Loo Bob: When I read the subject line, I thought this was going to be something about the women's bathrooms; My disparate colloquial vernaculars must be clashing clanging this morning;-). Anyway, of this group I like 22, 50, 81, 84 (using last 2 numbers from the link id). For the kids shots, I'd get a little lower, then shoot. Looking forward to the Stonehenge gallery! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: If you think...
Canons once were even bigger: http://www.vvork.com/?p=1127 and there was an even bigger Leica: http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/5-1934/big_camera.jpg but the biggest was a Nikon: http://www.oli.tudelft.nl/uselog/pictures/Big_camera.png regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2008 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: If you think... ...the 5D is too large a camera for you: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2600575676_c8a781205d_o.jpg If a 9 year old girl can use it, so can you. HTFU. Cheers, Dave :-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D Extended Dynamic Range
Thanks Christine. -- Original message -- From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul: Very impressive-- the extended comments on this thread were very helpful! Thanks Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: PESO: K20D Extended Dynamic Range To Roman's point about extended dynamic range. I shoot in that mode almost continuously. About the only time I turn it off is if I need ISO 100 or 6400, and those times are rare. I've noticed considerably improvement in dynamic range over the K10D, but I was still surprised to see sky tones in this shot. In fact, I cropped it to leave a touch of blue at the top, although the part of the sky in frame was primarily white cloud. Thought it would be a complete burnout. There is a bit of flash fill here, which helps by boosting the foreground. But it's minimal as the shot is at 135mm, and the subject is quite distant. f3.2, 1/1250, ISO 200. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7434474 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ads for Pentax
gldnbearz wrote: In the Ritz insert to Sunday's paper, I see they are advertising the Pentax K110D Super Digital SLR as a Blow Out Sale. Was there ever such a K110D Super? No. That's a misprint. What would be the point in losing the business of walk-in customers by selling them out of date merchandise? Maybe they've found that walk-in customers don't usually return for more stuff anyway? -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
I'd bet the name dates back no earlier that 1066 - my guess would be that it's an Anglicized version of a Norman French name, based on the sound. If asked to speculate further - how about fille et l'eau ? On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 07:30:17PM +0100, Bob W wrote: Thanks. I don't know why it's called Filly Loo. Maybe it's something that dates back to the Bronze Age or something. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 22 June 2008 17:11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Filly Loo Bob: When I read the subject line, I thought this was going to be something about the women's bathrooms; My disparate colloquial vernaculars must be clashing clanging this morning;-). Anyway, of this group I like 22, 50, 81, 84 (using last 2 numbers from the link id). For the kids shots, I'd get a little lower, then shoot. Looking forward to the Stonehenge gallery! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gallery Rejects
Just my observation Jack - YMMV ;+] Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects It's just my theory, Ken. =) Jack --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 9:34 PM What you say sounds good but it isn't born out in the majority of what I see being submitted. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects Being involved in the gallery will expose folks to some very good work. Those examples will have their impact on anyone who is truly interested. The education comes as a result of the effort to have work accepted. As always, the greater the desire the more rewarded will be the effort. Jack --- On Sat, 6/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 5:19 PM The gallery i's not a teaching tool, so it shouldn't be expected to educate. And part of the problem with an overwhelming majority of rejects lies in the fact that the gallery is quite full. I'm sure they dont' want to add work endlessly. So, at this point, uniqueness counts more than it might under normal circumstances. -- Original message -- From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think many have any idea of what is good and, therefore, have no basis for editing. Posting to the Gallery will not teach them anything as they have no clue as to why they are being rejected. Jack --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gallery Rejects To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 9:29 AM On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Commonplace subjects like flowers, children, lions in Africa - the kind of thing that can be well composed, focussed, exposed etc. but is no different from hundreds of others they've been looking at since the 19th century. I did a couple of sessions voting on photos in the Pentax Gallery this week and I can tell you that if I see another profile shot of woman holding a baby aloft I'm going to scream. Even worse: Seventy-five shots of the same subject (say, a waterfall) all bullseyed but at different focal lengths by the same photographer. Learn to edit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Filly Loo
Maybe, but it doesn't make much sense. Perhaps filer l'eau. Filer means (among other things) to spin, as in spinning cotton. Incidentally, most of the girls are apparently not from the village, but are part of a historical folk dance troupe called Steps in Time: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/stepstime/ Bob I'd bet the name dates back no earlier that 1066 - my guess would be that it's an Anglicized version of a Norman French name, based on the sound. If asked to speculate further - how about fille et l'eau ? On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 07:30:17PM +0100, Bob W wrote: Thanks. I don't know why it's called Filly Loo. Maybe it's something that dates back to the Bronze Age or something. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 22 June 2008 17:11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Filly Loo Bob: When I read the subject line, I thought this was going to be something about the women's bathrooms; My disparate colloquial vernaculars must be clashing clanging this morning;-). Anyway, of this group I like 22, 50, 81, 84 (using last 2 numbers from the link id). For the kids shots, I'd get a little lower, then shoot. Looking forward to the Stonehenge gallery! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
Extended warranties are just another way for the retailer to make money. So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? No. Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now... Only if you don't take care of the lens like the fine piece it is. Now if you're a klutz, that's something else An issue caused by Pentax will most likely surface in the first few weeks of usage should be covered by Pentax's initial warranty. Now go out use that sucker ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while? I'm interested in comments on what PDMLers think about extending the Pentax factory warranty (2 years in Canada) with an extended warranty. My impression is that Pentax lenses, especially such as the Limited ones, are very rugged and reliable and so an extended warranty is a waste of money. Background: I purchased a new SMC DA 2.8 35mm Macro Limited on Saturday. This was my first purchase from a particular large Canadian photo chain (Henry's). I was taken aback by how aggressively the sales guy was pushing Henry's extended warranties on stuff, even on the UV filter! The lens was $449 Ca, and they want $79 for a warranty that will push total coverage out to 5 years. I'm always leery of 3rd-party extended warranties on products that are generally solidly built and expected to last for a very long time, so I declined it. My take is that stores like this don't feel they're making enough on the bare products so they want to load the purchase with useless add-ons. (I know that many feel that UV filters themselves are useless add-ons.) So, would you have taken the warranty on this lens? Am I leaving myself open to an expensive repair bill 3 years from now, or did I shrewdly avoid a store tax? Cheers! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz
Bob W wrote: Long time PDML fan and lurker. Fan Fan (n.). [1] Bladed device for circulating air. [2] Anyone who doesn't send me hate mail. Bob You mean there are people who don't send you hate mail? -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
Bob W wrote: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ The place seems to be suffering from a surfeit of comely maidens. Shame. not any more. They were all sacrificed at Stonehenge later. Bob I was going mention that possibility... -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz
A typicsl Britten character. Henk William Robb schreef: - Original Message - From: Nic Subject: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz Hope she remembered to buckle up. Hate if she fell and Bruch her bones sorry about that, couldn't resist. ;^) You seem to have a Handel on this stuff. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
The story is told in my opinion by the last shot in your set, the trash left behind. Bob W wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: If you think...
I wonder where they got the giant film cassettes processed... Anthony Farr wrote: Canons once were even bigger: http://www.vvork.com/?p=1127 and there was an even bigger Leica: http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/5-1934/big_camera.jpg but the biggest was a Nikon: http://www.oli.tudelft.nl/uselog/pictures/Big_camera.png regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2008 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: If you think... ...the 5D is too large a camera for you: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2600575676_c8a781205d_o.jpg If a 9 year old girl can use it, so can you. HTFU. Cheers, Dave :-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Extended store warranty on Pentax glass worth-while?
Businesses are not charities. They offer extended warranties because they expect to profit on them. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: K20D Extended Dynamic Range
Is the extended dynamic range active for raw files or is it part of the processing for a jpg? Some of us suspect that it is just a one-stop underexposure combined with a histogram adjustment. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
On 22/6/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. Good work Bob. 6217949 does it for me. I can't think of anything I'd rather *not* do than do what you did. If you get my drift! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
On Jun 22, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Bob W wrote: Maybe, but it doesn't make much sense. Perhaps filer l'eau. Filer means (among other things) to spin, as in spinning cotton. Incidentally, most of the girls are apparently not from the village, but are part of a historical folk dance troupe called Steps in Time: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/stepstime/ Bob seems a shame, having to import your sacrificial virgins. times are hard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
Great shots Bob! When I was in England, I wanted to closely examine Stonehenge, because of its scientific, historic and architectural interest. They wouldn't let me get anywhere near the actual structure. Had I only know that all I had to do was to pretend to be a hippie fakir in order to be allowed actual ruins! Dan M On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filly Loo
Very nice Bob. I didn't know what a dew pond was, however, and had to look it up. Dan On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday I went to Ashmore, a village in Dorset, to photograph their midsummer festival, which is called Filly Loo. The festival takes place around the village pond, a dew pond which supposedly goes back to before Roman times. The festival itself seems to go back a very long time too, and is a very enjoyable occasion, almost like being in Thomas Hardy's day: http://www.web-options.com/FL2008/ After this I went over to Stonehenge for the solstice, and will post a gallery later. These 2 events were my first serious attempt to use 2nd-curtain slow-synch flash, so I made a lot of technical errors, but it's a useful technique on a wet midsummer's eve, and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Comments welcome, of course. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
Very entertaining stuff! Henk Bob W schreef: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Doppler effect of a Chopin Waltz
On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Cotty wrote: On 16/6/08, Henk Terhell, discombobulated, unleashed: Walking in the centre of The Hague yesterday, I heard this Chopin Waltz coming along, obviously part of a music festival activity. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/2581285273/ I wonder if she remembered her Chopin Liszt ? if so, she'll have to come Bach. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Filly Loo
Incidentally, most of the girls are apparently not from the village, but are part of a historical folk dance troupe called Steps in Time: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/stepstime/ Bob seems a shame, having to import your sacrificial virgins. times are hard. at least they're not from Thailand Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
Governmental Regulation = Free Market? Interesting way to look at it. Dan M On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html I had heard about that initial trial -- three cheers, indeed! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Stonehenge
Dan, next time you're here book a private tour. You can pay for a visit inside the stones after the plebs have gone home (or before they've got up). http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.878 Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: 22 June 2008 22:11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stonehenge Great shots Bob! When I was in England, I wanted to closely examine Stonehenge, because of its scientific, historic and architectural interest. They wouldn't let me get anywhere near the actual structure. Had I only know that all I had to do was to pretend to be a hippie fakir in order to be allowed actual ruins! Dan M On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GIMP question
Is there a way in GIMP to tell the 'levels' tool, make this bit here look like this sample from that image over there? I know how to tell it, apply the same corrections to these two images, but not how to tell it, apply different corrections to these images in such a way that this patch of floor comes out the same in both. -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
Thanks for the tip, Bob. When we were there, we had a pretty tight schedule, as we were on our way to Bath, the Cotswalds and Wales, so we couldn't do that. I was actually underwhelmed by Stonehenge, and didn't think it nearly as interesting a Newgrange in Ireland. Dan On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, next time you're here book a private tour. You can pay for a visit inside the stones after the plebs have gone home (or before they've got up). http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.878 Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: 22 June 2008 22:11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Stonehenge Great shots Bob! When I was in England, I wanted to closely examine Stonehenge, because of its scientific, historic and architectural interest. They wouldn't let me get anywhere near the actual structure. Had I only know that all I had to do was to pretend to be a hippie fakir in order to be allowed actual ruins! Dan M On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
On Jun 22, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Bob W wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob some very good shots here, and overall a hefty essay. favorites include 10, 11, 16, 26, and 27. 30 is a cracker. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: K20D Extended Dynamic Range
Some of us have seen that it works very well shooting RAW. Obviously, it's something rather simple, but it's quite functional. Paul -- Original message -- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is the extended dynamic range active for raw files or is it part of the processing for a jpg? Some of us suspect that it is just a one-stop underexposure combined with a histogram adjustment. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GIMP question
Please don't take offense, but the real question is why would any serious photographer subject their file to GIMP? Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) Is there a way in GIMP to tell the 'levels' tool, make this bit here look like this sample from that image over there? I know how to tell it, apply the same corrections to these two images, but not how to tell it, apply different corrections to these images in such a way that this patch of floor comes out the same in both. -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GIMP question
No, the levels tool is not a 'Smart' tool. -Adam On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 5:24 PM, D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way in GIMP to tell the 'levels' tool, make this bit here look like this sample from that image over there? I know how to tell it, apply the same corrections to these two images, but not how to tell it, apply different corrections to these images in such a way that this patch of floor comes out the same in both. -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
Fun stuff. I was hoping for naked witches:-). Seriously, you documented it well. Paul -- Original message -- From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 22, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Bob W wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob some very good shots here, and overall a hefty essay. favorites include 10, 11, 16, 26, and 27. 30 is a cracker. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GIMP question
Well, obviously it's free and open source, and it's not so hard on files, the photographer however may experience severe frustration. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't take offense, but the real question is why would any serious photographer subject their file to GIMP? Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) Is there a way in GIMP to tell the 'levels' tool, make this bit here look like this sample from that image over there? I know how to tell it, apply the same corrections to these two images, but not how to tell it, apply different corrections to these images in such a way that this patch of floor comes out the same in both. -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
I think we can all be grateful that the witches weren't naked. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fun stuff. I was hoping for naked witches:-). Seriously, you documented it well. Paul -- Original message -- From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 22, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Bob W wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob some very good shots here, and overall a hefty essay. favorites include 10, 11, 16, 26, and 27. 30 is a cracker. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO - more New York
http://www.alphoto.com/nyc08/index.html enjoy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Stonehenge
They're on the pay section of my site: www.flatasawitchestit.com/PStenq/ Bob Fun stuff. I was hoping for naked witches:-). Seriously, you documented it well. Paul -- Original message -- From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 22, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Bob W wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - more New York
Don't ask me why; but I really like the last one; Cheers Fernando On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alphoto.com/nyc08/index.html enjoy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
I enjoyed that Bob; nice shots Cheers Fernando On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stonehenge
Creepy On 6/22/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are my shots from Stonehenge over the solstice: http://www.web-options.com/SH2008/ As I said when I posted the Filly Loo shots, I made a number of technical mistakes, but thanks to Dr. Lightroom's Rescue Remedy I have managed to recover some of them. In any case, I now know a lot more about 2nd-curtain slow-sync flash than I did a couple of days ago. I'll go again next year, and hope to get it right. Comments welcome, of course. It was an extremely tiring time. I drove to Ashmore from London, arriving at about 6pm. Things started to kick off at 7pm and went on until about 10.30. From there I drove to Stonehenge, arriving at about 11.30pm. I left at about 6am, having been on my feet carrying a heavy camera bag with food and drink the whole time. It took a few hours to get back to London, which I really shouldn't have driven - I nearly nodded off at the wheel several times. When I got home I felt the urge for a fry-up so I went out to a café, ordered the full monty, and fell asleep at the table before I finished it! Anyway, it's interesting to compare this year's Stonehenge with the celebrations in gentler times, as shown on the Magnum site: http://tinyurl.com/2cn64b http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.Search01_V Page Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - more New York
On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Fernando wrote: Don't ask me why; but I really like the last one; Cheers Fernando On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alphoto.com/nyc08/index.html enjoy thanks, Fernando. While I was editing, I kept coming back to it, and finally decided to include it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
- Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg Governmental Regulation = Free Market? Interesting way to look at it. Think Microsoft, and how healty the computer marketplace would be if your government hadn't stepped in and shut down their free market policies. A Free market should not give companies the right to be so heavy handed that they eventually are the market. Even your government recognizes that, at least within your own country, though it isn't well practiced in international trade. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GIMP question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] opined: Please don't take offense, but the real question is why would any serious photographer subject their file to GIMP? Uh, because in addition to the other adjectives and nouns that describe me, 'broke' and 'poor' must be included. I'm trying to figure out how to pay my water bill and buy gasoline; the software budget has been empty for a very long time, alas. (Does Photoshop run under Linux? I'm short on processing power in my workstations, so I often run GIMP on a server downstairs and throw the interface to a machine upstairs using X. So I'm running it on more than one machine, sometimes under Windows, sometimes under Linux, and sometimes on a borrowed Mac when I'm visiting somebody else.) What's out there that's as serious as GIMP that's also free and cross-platform? (Really, I haven't been keeping up, so far all I know there might _be_ alternatives now.) -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GIMP question
I'm fairly ignorant in regard to operating systems, so my comment may be misguided. PhotoShop Elements comes free with a lot of hardware, but it doesn't run on LInux. I don't happen to have a free install at the moment, but someone else on the list might. Of course it doesn't run under Linux. Sorry if my post offended. Hope everything works out well for you. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] opined: Please don't take offense, but the real question is why would any serious photographer subject their file to GIMP? Uh, because in addition to the other adjectives and nouns that describe me, 'broke' and 'poor' must be included. I'm trying to figure out how to pay my water bill and buy gasoline; the software budget has been empty for a very long time, alas. (Does Photoshop run under Linux? I'm short on processing power in my workstations, so I often run GIMP on a server downstairs and throw the interface to a machine upstairs using X. So I'm running it on more than one machine, sometimes under Windows, sometimes under Linux, and sometimes on a borrowed Mac when I'm visiting somebody else.) What's out there that's as serious as GIMP that's also free and cross-platform? (Really, I haven't been keeping up, so far all I know there might _be_ alternatives now.) -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
