RE: Please wish me luck folks

[Bob W]

> 
> Tomorrow I'm having my first photo class,
> as a tutor :-)
> I know. I'm raving mad, so you don't need to tell me that.
> 
> We are a bunch who are starting a photo club, and somebody 
> got to do it :-)
> Me and a friend has been working a lot creating a PowerPoint 
> presentation.
> First lesson will be basic stuff, exposure and such.
> 
> But next session will be about basic composition. That's a 
> lot tougher.
> The good thing about it, is that I'll probably learn a lot.
> 
> Anybody got some ideas where to look for inspiration? Except from the
> obvious tip, to look at good pictures.
> 

Good luck. Some good books about composition and analysing pictures are, in
no particular order:

A primer of visual literacy, Dondis
Photo Design, Mante
Color Design, Mante
The photograph: composition and colour design, Mante
Learning to look at paintings, Acton
Point and line to plane, Kandinsky
Seeing is Believing, Berger
Introduction to Two-Dimensional Design, Bowers
How to Read a Photograph, Ian Jeffrey

Bob


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Re: PESO - Duck Train

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This one is nice, but not up to the other one.  Is this area heading
down 680 from 80 before getting to Benicia?  It is rather pretty.

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Eac> I went back to the Duck Club today and took some  more shots (working up 
to a
Eac> Duck Club GESO).

Eac> There was another train  there today -- an older train. 

Eac> Not saying this is as good as the shot  everyone loved, but somewhat nice, 
I
Eac> think.

Eac> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck2.htm

Eac> Should I  clone out the grass at the bottom right? 

Eac> Comments not turned  away.

Eac> Marnie aka Doe  :-)

Eac> -
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Re: PESO: White Orchid

[Bruce Dayton]

I like this shot - it is a rather pretty flower.

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DM> Another specimen from the National Botanical Garden, Washington, DC:

DM> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8778999


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Re: PESO - Lobelia Rust

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Yeah, this one feels a little busy - not a clear subject.

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Eac> Not totally successful, I think. Probably should  tone down the grass in
Eac> front. (I think the flower is  Lobelia.)

Eac> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/rust.htm

Eac> This  is the way California wildflowers grow, in bunch of weeds, so you can
Eac> rarely get  a clean shot of just flowers. Also taken at the Duck Club -- 
that
Eac> was the  roof of a car or tractor or something.

Eac> Comments  welcome.

Eac> Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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RE: Please wish me luck folks

[Bob W]

http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_pp

> 
> Tim,
> A co-worker responsible for a series of training classes had a sign
> above his desk.
> "The difference between an amateur and a pro is that the pro looks
> prepared and has powerpoint slides."
> I'm sure you can do that.
> Regards, Bob S.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Tim Øsleby 
>  wrote:
> > Tomorrow I'm having my first photo class,
> > as a tutor :-)
> > I know. I'm raving mad, so you don't need to tell me that.
> >
> > We are a bunch who are starting a photo club, and somebody 
> got to do it :-)
> > Me and a friend has been working a lot creating a 
> PowerPoint presentation.
> > First lesson will be basic stuff, exposure and such.
> >
> > But next session will be about basic composition. That's a 
> lot tougher.
> > The good thing about it, is that I'll probably learn a lot.
> >
> > Anybody got some ideas where to look for inspiration? 
> Except from the
> > obvious tip, to look at good pictures.
> >
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Re: GFM NPW registration

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>Online registration is open!

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Re: PESO: (not that) Big Ben :)

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eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Looks like you  really jazzed that up. I don't know, I think the sun is a bit 
much. I'd tone it  down. Was it blown out?


HTH, Marnie aka Doe  :-)

Even on the -2 EV shot it was blown out.

Cheers,
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Re: Shock

[Rick Womer]

Cotty, that is a brilliant video, in every way!  Both the mountain and your 
subject really shine through.

Rick

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> Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 7:05 PM
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Cotty
>  wrote:
> > 
> >
> > Timely, wouldn't you say ;-) hint hint
> 
> T - 5 hours!  Well, maybe.  Probably longer.
> 
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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[Rick Womer]

What a relief!  When I saw the subject line I was afraid you were hiring out on 
another ship!

Rick

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> From: Tim Øsleby 
> Subject: Please wish me luck folks
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 7:53 PM
> Tomorrow I'm having my first photo class,
> as a tutor :-)
> I know. I'm raving mad, so you don't need to tell
> me that.
> 
> We are a bunch who are starting a photo club, and somebody
> got to do it :-)
> Me and a friend has been working a lot creating a
> PowerPoint presentation.
> First lesson will be basic stuff, exposure and such.
> 
> But next session will be about basic composition.
> That's a lot tougher.
> The good thing about it, is that I'll probably learn a
> lot.
> 
> Anybody got some ideas where to look for inspiration?
> Except from the
> obvious tip, to look at good pictures.
> 
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RE: PESO - Duck Train

[Bob W]

> I went back to the Duck Club today and took some  more shots 
> (working up to a 
> Duck Club GESO).
> 
> There was another train  there today -- an older train. 
> 
> Not saying this is as good as the shot  everyone loved, but 
> somewhat nice, I  
> think.
> 
> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck2.htm
> 
> Should I  clone out the grass at the bottom right? 
> 
> Comments not turned  away.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)

I think you've missed the composition a bit there - it doesn't really cohere
properly. Rather than cloning the thing out you might consider a different
crop. I would start with a double square and place the horizon line right
along the middle of the frame, then kind of muck around a bit until it felt
right or I got bored.

Bob


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RE: Please wish me luck folks

[Bob W]

No more ships for Tim! He'll be flying everywhere from now on.


> 
> What a relief!  When I saw the subject line I was afraid you 
> were hiring out on another ship!
> 
> Rick
> 
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 

> > Tomorrow I'm having my first photo class,
> > as a tutor :-)
> > I know. I'm raving mad, so you don't need to tell
> > me that.
> > 
> > We are a bunch who are starting a photo club, and somebody
> > got to do it :-)
> > Me and a friend has been working a lot creating a
> > PowerPoint presentation.
> > First lesson will be basic stuff, exposure and such.
> > 
> > But next session will be about basic composition.
> > That's a lot tougher.
> > The good thing about it, is that I'll probably learn a
> > lot.
> > 
> > Anybody got some ideas where to look for inspiration?
> > Except from the
> > obvious tip, to look at good pictures.
> > 
> > --
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GESO - Sping Blossoms

[Bruce Dayton]

Ok, here is the lot of them.  The trees are mine, right outside my
office, so rather handy.

All taken with Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro lens


http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0277.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0281.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0282.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0287.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0274a.htm


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PESO - Lily

[Bruce Dayton]

Needed a switch from white - so here you go.

Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm


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Re: Shock

[Cotty]

On 31/3/09, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Great vid - I can understand why you're so excited about this.

Thanks Bob. Believe it or not, I was using a borrowed entry level camera
that seriously restricted creative freedom. I can do a lot better than that.

The subject of photographers intrigues me. To follow them around and see
what makes them tick, to get inside their heads, to try and convey their
thought processes and aspirations is something that I would like to try
and grapple with in a documentary, or series of docs. I think it would
make interesting viewing.

I know it's al been done before, but this new aspect of a worldwide
community gathering in forums such as email lists and chat rooms where
pics can be shown around like prints at the camera club adds a new
dimension - and producing a book from remote points of the globe without
actually getting the bottom off the seat - again, pretty fascinating. I
think it would appeal to a wider viewing public, certainly with
international appeal.

That's the basic gist of what I have in mind. I'm working on it but
these things taking ridiculous amounts of time. If I had a spare 30
grand in the bank I'd take 6 months off and get going on it now...

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Re: PESO - Lily

[Cotty]

On 1/4/09, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Needed a switch from white - so here you go.
>
>Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro
>
>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm
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Bruce that is very very nice indeed.


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Showing up at Photoshow

[Dario Bonazza]

Hi all,

After the change of distributor for Pentax in Italy, I've been appointed for 
presenting products at Photoshow:

http://www.tvtech.it/video/321/pentax-una-gamma-completa-da-compatte-a-reflex/

And the press conference:
http://www.hwupgrade.it/minisiti/photoshow-2009/gallery/?gallery_id=9
(I'm the one standing in pics 1 and 4)

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Re: PESO - Duck Train

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/1/2009 12:37:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes:
This one is nice, but not up to the other  one.  Is this area heading
down 680 from 80 before getting to  Benicia?  It is rather pretty.

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Well, I can't turn out a fantastic photo  every time. ;-)

Yes. And yes, it's a very interesting area.

Thanks for  looking.

Marnie aka Doe 


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Eac> I went back to the Duck Club today and took some   more shots (working 
up to a
Eac> Duck Club GESO).

Eac> There was  another train  there today -- an older train. 

Eac> Not saying  this is as good as the shot  everyone loved, but somewhat 
nice,  I
Eac> think.

Eac>  http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck2.htm

Eac> Should I   clone out the grass at the bottom right? 

Eac> Comments not  turned  away.

Eac> Marnie aka Doe   :-)


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Re: PESO - Lobelia Rust

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In a message dated 4/1/2009 12:40:11 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes:
Yeah, this one feels  a little busy - not a clear subject.

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Yes, I thought so. Not close  enough.

Well, I'll try again. You'll all be thorough sick of the Duck  Club by the 
time I am done.

Heh. Thanks, Bruce.

Marnie  

Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 8:02:50 PM, you wrote:

Eac> Not  totally successful, I think. Probably should  tone down the grass  
in
Eac> front. (I think the flower is  Lobelia.)

Eac>  http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/rust.htm

Eac> This  is  the way California wildflowers grow, in bunch of weeds, so you 
can
Eac>  rarely get  a clean shot of just flowers. Also taken at the Duck Club 
--  that
Eac> was the  roof of a car or tractor or  something.

Eac> Comments  welcome.

Eac> Marnie aka  Doe   :-)


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PESO - High Street Lane

[Rick Womer]

One of several small lanes off Oxford's High Street:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8851078

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Re: GESO - Sping Blossoms

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In a message dated 4/1/2009 12:56:14 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes:
Ok, here is the lot  of them.  The trees are mine, right outside my
office, so rather  handy.

All taken with Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro  lens


http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0277.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0281.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0282.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0287.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0274a.htm


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==
Well, they are all very  nice. 

But the first is simply gorgeous. 

I also like the third  one quite a bit (the back of the blossoms). The second 
is fine, but I find the  white loops (back of other petals) at the top 
distracting -- needs cleaning up  to pop. I like the fourth, the one you just 
showed 
the least. Heh.

HTH,  Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO - Lily

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/1/2009 12:57:13 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes:
Needed a switch from  white - so here you go.

Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8  Macro

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm


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Ohh, lovely. Just  lovely. I really, really like it.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  Boy, it's  tough being on this list and even TRYING a 
flower shot oneself.  Heh.

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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[Tim Øsleby]

Leave ship? Is that an option?

I have thought about it. But I have realized that the reason I suck as
photographer is not my tools, it is my own limitation.

I've almost stopped blaming my tools.

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> Rick
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Re: GFM NPW registration

[Bob Sullivan]

Just registered this AM.
(Didn't wait long enough last night.)
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Re: PESO: Dave's Tulip

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Marnie. I too thought the white daisy background set it off.

Jack


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> Subject: Re: PESO: Dave's Tulip
> To: pdml@pdml.net
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> In a message dated 3/31/2009 12:07:07 P.M.  Pacific Daylight
> Time, 
> jdavi...@yahoo.com writes:
> Saw this a bit earlier  today in my friend Dave's well
> adorned front yard 
> flower garden. He once owned a  nursery, but is now retired
> and the neighborhood 
> go to when a plant starts to  look sick.
> Simple shot, but I liked the light. 
> 
> Jack
> 
> Comments  welcome of  course!
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=399
> 
> K10,  DA 16~45, hand held
> 
> ==
> Really beautiful, Jack. I like the  daisies in the
> background, really sets 
> off the red tulip. Good composition, good  shot!
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
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Re: *ist-D troubleshooting.. is it dying?

[tbeilby]

I had my *istD at George Ray's Dragstrip when it went wierd, and what had 
happened was the button battery cover had come off. I thought the camera was 
dead for sure. Ended shooting that day, but when I got a replacement from 
Pentax US (free, by the way,) the camera is still going. My wife even took 
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GFM Registration

[tbeilby]

Well, I finally did it, I registered for Grandfather Mountain. Very excited 
to be finally going to meet all and participate.


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Re: GESO - Sping Blossoms

[Jack Davis]

All good stuff Bruce, but the first is a stand-out. 

Jack


--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: GESO - Sping Blossoms
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:55 AM
> Ok, here is the lot of them.  The trees are mine, right
> outside my
> office, so rather handy.
> 
> All taken with Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro lens
> 
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0277.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0281.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0282.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0287.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0274a.htm
> 
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Re: PESO - Lily

[Jack Davis]

Beautiful form and lighting! I would like to have seen a sharp far edge of the 
blossom and a softer background. I know, next to impossible at those relative 
depths.

Jack


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> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: PESO - Lily
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:56 AM
> Needed a switch from white - so here you go.
> 
> Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm
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Re: GFM NPW registration

[Bob Sullivan]

Cotty,
Another award winning video from Seeing Eye Productions!
It does a fine job of capturing the spirit at NPW and Helen is charming.
Some of those stills are really nice as well.
You attending this year?
Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: Showing up at Photoshow

[Bob Sullivan]

Dario,
Congratulations
Who are the others pictured in the photos?
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Hi all,
>
> After the change of distributor for Pentax in Italy, I've been appointed for
> presenting products at Photoshow:
> http://www.tvtech.it/video/321/pentax-una-gamma-completa-da-compatte-a-reflex/
>
> And the press conference:
> http://www.hwupgrade.it/minisiti/photoshow-2009/gallery/?gallery_id=9
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Re: graphic converter question

[Nick Wright]

Well here's a screenshot:

http://is.gd/q3YT

I think I've got it all figured out except for these two items ...

What's the difference between QuickTime JPG and JPEG6.0?

And why in the world would there be an option to /not/ embed the sRGB profile?

Thanks again for your help.

Again, the only thing I need this program for is to write captions
into the image file for sending out to agencies and papers etc.
Graphic Converter is the least expensive program I've found yet that's
capable of doing this.

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> On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Nick Wright wrote:
>
>> So I'm looking at the Graphic Converter image editor.
>>
>> My one and only real interest in the program is its IPTC captioning
>> features.
>>
>> My question though is that when I go to save a copy to JPG there are a
>> whole lot more options than I am familiar with. Photoshop doesn't --
>> to my knowledge -- give as many options as Graphic Converter.
>>
>> Is anyone here familiar with the program? What do all those extra
>> options mean and which do I need in order to save the highest quality
>> jpg for sending out for printing?
>
>
> I don't know what options you're referring to. GC is a darn good tool for
> light editing work, but I don't think it's as powerful and useful as
> Photoshop Elements, Lightroom 2 or Photoshop CSx in this regard.
>
> If metadata editing is your primary interest, Photoshop CS2 and later come
> with a companion application called Bridge which is has more metadata
> editing features for IPTC than Graphic Converter.
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> http://www.iptc.org/cms/site/index.html;jsessionid=aNr2k_QWkLOe?channel=CH0089
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> They list a good number of IPTC compatible applications too:
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> http://www.iptc.org/cms/site/photometadatasupportlist.html?channel=CH0101
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Re: point and shoot

[Paul Stenquist]

touche
On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:49 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: 

Subject: Re: point and shoot



How strange. Did I really need a smiley?
Paul


Did I?  ;-)


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Re: GFM NPW registration

[Paul Stenquist]

I registered. That's my fourth time I believe, but I have yet to show  
up at the mountain. I'll try again. I'm now working freelance for an  
agency in Greensville, so that may improve the odds of my actually  
arriving on site.

Paul
On Apr 1, 2009, at 3:43 AM, Cotty wrote:


On 1/4/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:


Online registration is open!


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Re: Showing up at Photoshow

[Paul Stenquist]

Congratulations. That should be fun.
Paul
On Apr 1, 2009, at 3:55 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:


Hi all,

After the change of distributor for Pentax in Italy, I've been  
appointed for presenting products at Photoshow:

http://www.tvtech.it/video/321/pentax-una-gamma-completa-da-compatte-a-reflex/

And the press conference:
http://www.hwupgrade.it/minisiti/photoshow-2009/gallery/?gallery_id=9
(I'm the one standing in pics 1 and 4)

Cheers,

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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[Bob Sullivan]

Doug,
That sacrilege to those of us who revere Lincoln!  ;-)
I used to keep a copy of the Gettysburg Address posted on my office wall...
for those who couldn't keep their memos under 1 page.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Tim,
>> A co-worker responsible for a series of training classes had a sign
>> above his desk.
>> "The difference between an amateur and a pro is that the pro looks
>> prepared and has powerpoint slides."
>> I'm sure you can do that.
>> Regards, Bob S.
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Re: lawn darts

[Bob Sullivan]

Oh sure...
"Photographer killed at Grandfather Mountain"
A participant at this year's Nature Photography Weekend was killed in
a game gone bad.  A group of Pentax photographers camping overnight in
the picnic area played lawn darts well into the night.  In the wee
hours of Saturday night, an adjacent camper was pinned to the ground
by a lawn dart.  He was a Nikon user.

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> away in the closet/basement/garage?  Mind bringing them along?
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Re: PESO: Owl

[Brian Walters]

Well, it may be a bit soft but it's an image I'd be proud of.  Mother(?)
and chick!  Great stuff!


Cheers

Brian

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On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:34 -0400, "John Sessoms" 
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> I've been looking for the owl I heard earlier this month, trying to get 
> some idea of its habits. Yesterday, I spotted it on the nest I thought 
> it might use, and came back today with my camera:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/3396685627/
> 
> K10D, Sigma 300 2.8 + Sigma APO 1.4x tele-converter, on a tripod ...
> ISO 400 (I think)
> 
> The image is a bit soft. I've noticed that whenever I use the 1.4x 
> converter, even though it's supposed to be matched to the lens.
> 
> It just kills me. Some guy came along with a Nikon D200 & 200 mm Nikon 
> IS lens and chimping what he got looked a whole lot sharper than what I 
> got.
> 
> But ... it's what I got.
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Re: GESO - Sping Blossoms

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Damn!  Those set the bar awfully high Bruce.
Really nice photos.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Ok, here is the lot of them.  The trees are mine, right outside my
> office, so rather handy.
>
> All taken with Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro lens
>
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0277.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0281.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0282.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0287.htm
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Re: (not that) Big Ben :)

[Christian]

It's a pretty cool dramatic rendering.  I like it.


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- Original Message - From: "Timbah!" 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: PESO: (not that) Big Ben :)



http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/3402241289/

Actually I was expecting something bigger, better, more monumental 
from the Big Ben... In reality it looks so small to me.

Anyway... I hope you like the picture :)

Made with Pentax DA 12-24 f4, -2 and +2 EV and some Lightroom + 
Photoshop post processing.


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Re: dev question for the film folks

[Scott Loveless]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Plus-X and Tri-X do well too, but compared to TMax 100/400 or Delta 100/400
> they simply don't compete on grain structure and tonal differentiation. They
> also don't push anywhere near as well.

I'm more likely to pull my film and prefer the look of "traditional"
film to T-grain film or whatever it's called.

> TMax 100 took me about 20 rolls to understand how to expose and process it
> properly. Before that I thought it was crap. Once I 'got' it, it does better
> than nearly anything else other than Agfapan APX25. A truly remarkable film.

While I prefer older style emulsions, I won't complain about TMax.  It
most definitely does handle tonal differentiation quite nicely.  I
just hate what it does to my fixer.  :)

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Re: PESO - Lily

[Christian]

Bruce Dayton wrote:

Needed a switch from white - so here you go.

Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm




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Re: GESO Walk the dog

[Toine]

Thanks Frank, I'm not surprised you like it :) It's also my favorite,
if only my dog would be a little sharper.

Toine

2009/3/30 frank theriault :
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Toine  wrote:
>> Our latest family expansion, a retired guide dog for the blind called Pepijn:
>>
>> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=83
>>
>> K20D DA16-45
>>
>
> I like them all, but especially the two dogs interacting (third shot).
>
> cheers,
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Re: GFM NPW registration

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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Mat Maessen  wrote:
> On 4/1/09, Scott Loveless  wrote:
>> Online registration is open!
>
> Not missing it this year! Registered!

:-(
:-(
:-(

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Re: lawn darts

[David J Brooks]

Do i need my goalie equipment this year.

Oh wait, can't go, so some one else gets stuck.:-)

Dave

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Re: Woo Hoo!!

[David J Brooks]

Sorry I won't get to met you this year John.

Dave

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:35 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Just received the following email
>
>> You are successfully registered for the Grandfather Mountain Nature
>> Photography Weekend.
>
> Checked the page to see if there was any updated information & there is now
> a link saying registration begins April 1.
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> Must have opened at 12:01 am EST.
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Re: PESO - Lily

[David J Brooks]

Beautiful.

Nice feel to it.

Dave

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> Needed a switch from white - so here you go.
>
> Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro
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Re: PESO - High Street Lane

[David J Brooks]

Nice.

Me things a B&W of this would looked good.

Dave

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> One of several small lanes off Oxford's High Street:
>
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Re: GESO - Sping Blossoms

[David J Brooks]

I really like the first two. Nice composition and detail.

Good exposure on the highlight ends.

Dave

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> Ok, here is the lot of them.  The trees are mine, right outside my
> office, so rather handy.
>
> All taken with Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro lens
>
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0277.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0281.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0282.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0287.htm
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Re: PESO - Lobelia Rust

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> Interesting how all colors and tones match up.
> Very well seen, Marnie.
> I like it!
>
> Jack

Agreed

Dave
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>
> --- On Tue, 3/31/09, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
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>> From: eactiv...@aol.com 
>> Subject: PESO - Lobelia Rust
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 8:02 PM
>> Not totally successful, I think. Probably should  tone down
>> the grass in
>> front. (I think the flower is  Lobelia.)
>>
>> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/rust.htm
>>
>> This  is the way California wildflowers grow, in bunch of
>> weeds, so you can
>> rarely get  a clean shot of just flowers. Also taken at the
>> Duck Club -- that
>> was the  roof of a car or tractor or something.
>>
>> Comments  welcome.
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
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Re: PESO - Duck Train

[David J Brooks]

In my opinion, yes, clone that bit out.

Nice angle on this one.

Dave

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM,   wrote:
> I went back to the Duck Club today and took some  more shots (working up to a
> Duck Club GESO).
>
> There was another train  there today -- an older train.
>
> Not saying this is as good as the shot  everyone loved, but somewhat nice, I
> think.
>
> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck2.htm
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> Should I  clone out the grass at the bottom right?
>
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Re: Showing up at Photoshow

[David J Brooks]

Knock em dead Dario:-)

Dave

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> presenting products at Photoshow:
> http://www.tvtech.it/video/321/pentax-una-gamma-completa-da-compatte-a-reflex/
>
> And the press conference:
> http://www.hwupgrade.it/minisiti/photoshow-2009/gallery/?gallery_id=9
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Re: Please wish me luck folks

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Tim,
> A co-worker responsible for a series of training classes had a sign
> above his desk.
> "The difference between an amateur and a pro is that the pro looks
> prepared and has powerpoint slides."
> I'm sure you can do that.
> Regards, Bob S.

What, no mention of Nikon.:-)

Dave
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Tim Øsleby  wrote:
>> Tomorrow I'm having my first photo class,
>> as a tutor :-)
>> I know. I'm raving mad, so you don't need to tell me that.
>>
>> We are a bunch who are starting a photo club, and somebody got to do it :-)
>> Me and a friend has been working a lot creating a PowerPoint presentation.
>> First lesson will be basic stuff, exposure and such.
>>
>> But next session will be about basic composition. That's a lot tougher.
>> The good thing about it, is that I'll probably learn a lot.
>>
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>> obvious tip, to look at good pictures.
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Re: PESO: White Orchid

[David J Brooks]

Very pretty flower. I like the DOF used here.

Dave

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> Another specimen from the National Botanical Garden, Washington, DC:
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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[Luiz Felipe]

Tim, are you starting photo classes on april 1st??? Whyinhell that kind 
of opportunity don't come my way


Serious, I really wish you a very, very sucessful first day - and still 
more sucessful others following said first day.


...how much would the lessons cost to a brasilian student???

Tim, I'd try to point photos could be built - an idea I got from Michael 
Busselle books and some Life book on photo from the 70's. And the 
importance of paying attention to photo ops - and how easier to get the 
decisive moment if you happen to have the camera pointed the right way, 
just a little earlier.


There are lots of good sources, and I'm positive the other messages will 
present unusual sources as well... I'll be taking notes myself.


Congrats!

LF

Tim Øsleby escreveu:

Tomorrow I'm having my first photo class,
as a tutor :-)
I know. I'm raving mad, so you don't need to tell me that.

We are a bunch who are starting a photo club, and somebody got to do it :-)
Me and a friend has been working a lot creating a PowerPoint presentation.
First lesson will be basic stuff, exposure and such.

But next session will be about basic composition. That's a lot tougher.
The good thing about it, is that I'll probably learn a lot.

Anybody got some ideas where to look for inspiration? Except from the
obvious tip, to look at good pictures.

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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[Dario Bonazza]

Tim Øsleby wrote:


I've almost stopped blaming my tools.


Mark!

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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[Luka Knezevic-Strika]

good luck! I'm doing the same next monday. i was asked by a group of
students from a local 'tech-students club' (which i mentioned these
days, it was celebrating a 55th anniversary). i have no idea of their
level and tought of starting with presenting some good images in
different mediums (print, lousy print, slide, digital projection) and
than showing them some bad pictures just to confuse/amuse/amaze?? them
a little for a start. then i'm thinking to start as high or low as the
group seems to be.

cheers,
luka
ps probably will end up in a disaster, good thing i said i'll start
out for free :)

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> Leave ship? Is that an option?
>
> I have thought about it. But I have realized that the reason I suck as
> photographer is not my tools, it is my own limitation.
>
> I've almost stopped blaming my tools.
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> 2009/4/1 Rick Womer :
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>> What a relief!  When I saw the subject line I was afraid you were hiring out 
>> on another ship!
>>
>> Rick
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Re: GFM NPW registration

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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 1/4/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Online registration is open!
>
> If you're in two minds
>
> 

Holy cow!  It's full.  Less than 10 hours.

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PESO - Progress

[frank theriault]

Just what every neighbourhood needs:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/progress.html

Comments always welcome.

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Fw: Re: PESO - Lily

[Jack Davis]

Appears this didn't make it through to the list, so...

Jack


--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jack Davis  wrote:

> From: Jack Davis 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Lily
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:42 AM
> Beautiful form and lighting! I would like to have seen a
> sharp far edge of the blossom and a softer background. I
> know, next to impossible at those relative depths.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Bruce Dayton
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> 
> > From: Bruce Dayton 
> > Subject: PESO - Lily
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
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> > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:56 AM
> > Needed a switch from white - so here you go.
> > 
> > Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro
> > 
> > http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm
> > 
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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[mike wilson]

 "Tim Øsleby"  wrote: 

> Anybody got some ideas where to look for inspiration? Except from the
> obvious tip, to look at good pictures.

You live on the Norwegian coast.  Stop mocking us.

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Re: point and shoot

[mike wilson]

 Larry Colen  wrote: 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 08:54:16PM +0100, mike wilson wrote:
> > Larry Colen wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > >Writing software is a development cost not a production cost. NRE,
> > >Non-Recurring Expense. 
> > 
> > All I believe about Adobe is true then?
> 
> What do you believe about Adobe?
> 
> They seem to treat their employees well, a friend got laid off, but
> got an amazing severance package. They also let employees buy a finite
> number of copies of their software at about 10% of list (lightroom for
> $25, photoshop for $40, the big developer suite for $120).

Let me put it this way; those prices sound about right - maybe slightly high.

Anything I said further on the subject would just be interpreted as violently 
abusive.

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Re: GFM Registration

[Scott Loveless]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:32 AM,   wrote:
> Well, I finally did it, I registered for Grandfather Mountain. Very excited
> to be finally going to meet all and participate.

Are you planning to camp?  It's really the best way to experience the
PDML side of GFM.

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Re: PESO - Cherry Blossom Exuberance

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>
>> > Basically.  But with an artistic look
>> (painting/pastel/charcoal/stencil)
>> > rather than  photographic or illustration look.
>>
>> Oh dear.
>>
>> I don't want to go down that road...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>
> Go on, Frank! It's one small step for a man...

It seems to me that Marnie may be confusing media with product - or at
least she's confusing ~me~.  Photography, paint, charcoal and stencils
are merely media that may or may not produce art.  Taking photography
and doing something with it that makes it look like another media
doesn't make the original photograph any less "art".  Nor does
effecting those changes necessarily make the new thing "more arty"
than the original.  Different, yes.  More "arty"?  Not necessarily.

OTOH, since the faux change in media is certainly part of Marnie's
expression, the change is art, so perhaps her term "to artify" is
okay.  I guess what bothers me is the implication that the original
product is not art, or that it's "less" art than the finished product.

Or maybe I'm just being too picky.

That's all.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - High Street Lane

[Bruce Dayton]

The small alley is pretty cool.  Having someone walking in it really
helps with perspective.  The thing that bothers me a bit is it seems
too dark for the conditions - I'd like to see a little better in that
alley.  Maybe just a brightening would do the trick.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:08:07 AM, you wrote:


RW> One of several small lanes off Oxford's High Street:

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RW> (K10D and DA 16-45)

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Re: lawn darts

[Doug Brewer]

Bob Sullivan wrote:

Oh sure...
"Photographer killed at Grandfather Mountain"
A participant at this year's Nature Photography Weekend was killed in
a game gone bad.  A group of Pentax photographers camping overnight in
the picnic area played lawn darts well into the night.  In the wee
hours of Saturday night, an adjacent camper was pinned to the ground
by a lawn dart.  He was a Nikon user.


yeah, like arming all those guys with laser pointers isn't dangerous enough.

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Re: Showing up at Photoshow

[Dario Bonazza]

http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/fotografia-digitale/tra-fowa-e-pentax-nasce-una-nuova-partnership_28518.html

Left to right:
Mr. Luca Tosetti (Fowa product manager).
Mr. Andreas Middeke (international business manager at Pentax Europe)
Mrs. Helga Winkler (Fowa boss)
Mr. Tiziano Gaspari (Fowa sales director)

Dario

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Dario,
Congratulations
Who are the others pictured in the photos?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Dario Bonazza  
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Hi all,

After the change of distributor for Pentax in Italy, I've been appointed 
for

presenting products at Photoshow:
http://www.tvtech.it/video/321/pentax-una-gamma-completa-da-compatte-a-reflex/

And the press conference:
http://www.hwupgrade.it/minisiti/photoshow-2009/gallery/?gallery_id=9
(I'm the one standing in pics 1 and 4)

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Spring Rain

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Graydon  wrote:

>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/sunday-morning-rain.html
>
> I do hope you were not standing in the street to take that!

Actually I was.  It was Sunday morning and there wasn't much traffic.
As you can see there was nothing within eyeshot coming up Parliament
towards me in the lane I was standing in, so I was pretty safe.  Wet
but safe...

;-)

> It's the very thing, though, Toronto street in the rain, beer store and
> all.  (Beer store signs in black and white look ... off, they're
> supposed to be that shade of unnatural orangish-beige.)


The orange in the Beer Store sign is certainly distinctive.  I still
have trouble calling it the Beer Store, though.  Once in a while I
still call it the Brewers' Retail (Dave Brooks will remember that
one).  Or sometimes the In and Out store.

Showing my age, I guess...

;-)

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PESO - Duck Train II

[Eactivist]

See if anyone likes this better.

This has  an odd crop because the bottom was shadow, which didn't add a thing.

But  I walked out as far as I wanted, and about as far as I'd go without hip  
boots.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck3.htm

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)  Not that I have hip boots. Also,  those aren't  ducks.

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Re: PESO - Lily

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> Needed a switch from white - so here you go.
>
> Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm

Beautiful!

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Re: ping

[David Savage]

Pong

2009/4/1 Dario Bonazza :
> ping

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Re: ping

[Scott Loveless]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Dario Bonazza  wrote:
> ping

ack

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Re: PESO - Progress

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In a message dated 4/1/2009 8:48:50 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
Just what every neighbourhood  needs:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/progress.html

Comments  always welcome.

cheers,
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==
LOL. Good one,  frank. Some graffiti genius was right on.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO - Lily

[Bruce Walker]

Bruce Dayton wrote:

Needed a switch from white - so here you go.

Pentax K20D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0288.htm


M!  Great colour definition, and I *really* like your background here.

-bmw

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Re: lawn darts

[David Savage]

2009/4/1 Doug Brewer :
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Oh sure...
>> "Photographer killed at Grandfather Mountain"
>> A participant at this year's Nature Photography Weekend was killed in
>> a game gone bad.  A group of Pentax photographers camping overnight in
>> the picnic area played lawn darts well into the night.  In the wee
>> hours of Saturday night, an adjacent camper was pinned to the ground
>> by a lawn dart.  He was a Nikon user.
>
> yeah, like arming all those guys with laser pointers isn't dangerous enough.

Laser target designators...Check
Air strikePending

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Re: graphic converter question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Nick Wright wrote:


Well here's a screenshot:

http://is.gd/q3YT

I think I've got it all figured out except for these two items ...

What's the difference between QuickTime JPG and JPEG6.0?


GC has embedded within it a JPEG 6.0 implementation. It allows you to  
use its embedded implementation or the one that Apple supplies using  
the QuickTime JPEG codec. Which one is better or how do they differ?  
No idea really. You have more explicit controls available when you use  
their implementation as they can control the JPEG compression  
parameters of their own implementation.


And why in the world would there be an option to /not/ embed the  
sRGB profile?


There are people in the world who strip all profiles and metadata ...  
to what purpose I couldn't say.



Again, the only thing I need this program for is to write captions
into the image file for sending out to agencies and papers etc.
Graphic Converter is the least expensive program I've found yet that's
capable of doing this.


Whatever floats your boat...

I owned and used GraphicConverter for a while, but mostly for its  
ability to convert oddball image formats into standard image formats.  
I find it a very awkward tool to use for anything else.


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Re: PESO - Cherry Blossom Exuberance

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/1/2009 8:57:43 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
It seems to me that Marnie  may be confusing media with product - or at
least she's confusing ~me~.   Photography, paint, charcoal and stencils
are merely media that may or may  not produce art.  Taking photography
and doing something with it that  makes it look like another media
doesn't make the original photograph any  less "art".  Nor does
effecting those changes necessarily make the new  thing "more arty"
than the original.  Different, yes.  More  "arty"?  Not necessarily.

OTOH, since the faux change in media is  certainly part of Marnie's
expression, the change is art, so perhaps her term  "to artify" is
okay.  I guess what bothers me is the implication that  the original
product is not art, or that it's "less" art than the finished  product.

Or maybe I'm just being too picky.

That's  all.

cheers,
frank
==
Don't think I had that  implication, that photography is less than. 

But you caught the jist -- a  change in apparent medium as to "how it looks." 
For me, my photography is less  than, so maybe you picked up on that. I am a 
better artist than a photographer,  and since I started late in life, probably 
always will be. And I am okay with  that, and I am not sure that I have the 
dedication to become a really GOOD  photographer. It's just a hobby for me and 
something I do when I have time.  Recently I've given thought to improving, 
like revisiting and revisiting the  Duck Club, until I experiment with DOF 
more, 
metering more, and get more of what  I want. Really exhaust the area.

And, to be totally truthful, I like the  mediums of art better than I like 
the mediums of photography -- more  paper/canvas styles, more rendering choices 
(pencil/paint, etc.), more depth on  surface, etc. 

But that is sure a strange argument, coming from you,  frank -- the 
non-artist.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  
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Re: Please wish me luck folks

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Tim Øsleby  wrote:
> Tomorrow I'm having my first photo class,
> as a tutor :-)
> I know. I'm raving mad, so you don't need to tell me that.
>
> We are a bunch who are starting a photo club, and somebody got to do it :-)
> Me and a friend has been working a lot creating a PowerPoint presentation.
> First lesson will be basic stuff, exposure and such.
>
> But next session will be about basic composition. That's a lot tougher.
> The good thing about it, is that I'll probably learn a lot.
>
> Anybody got some ideas where to look for inspiration? Except from the
> obvious tip, to look at good pictures.
>

I can't help you in any way except to wish you all the best in your endeavor.

cheers,
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TULIP9903474.web.jpg (JPEG Image, 800x533 pixels)

[Roman Melihhov]

http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/TULIP9903474.web.jpg
^^^ before this beauty dies. First tulips this year...



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Re: PESO - Lobelia Rust

[Brendan MacRae]

I think it was the time of day. The light is a bit too much to produce much 
contrast here.



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Subject: PESO - Lobelia Rust

Not totally successful, I think. Probably should  tone down the grass in 
front. (I think the flower is  Lobelia.)

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/rust.htm

This  is the way California wildflowers grow, in bunch of weeds, so you can 
rarely get  a clean shot of just flowers. Also taken at the Duck Club -- that 
was the  roof of a car or tractor or something.

Comments  welcome.

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Re: PESO - Duck Train II

[Christian]

eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

See if anyone likes this better.

This has  an odd crop because the bottom was shadow, which didn't add a thing.

But  I walked out as far as I wanted, and about as far as I'd go without hip  
boots.


http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck3.htm

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)  Not that I have hip boots. Also,  those aren't  ducks.




I wish I was there.  Looks like an awesome spot for wading birds! :-)


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Re: Showing up at Photoshow

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Dario Bonazza  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After the change of distributor for Pentax in Italy, I've been appointed for
> presenting products at Photoshow:
> http://www.tvtech.it/video/321/pentax-una-gamma-completa-da-compatte-a-reflex/
>
> And the press conference:
> http://www.hwupgrade.it/minisiti/photoshow-2009/gallery/?gallery_id=9
> (I'm the one standing in pics 1 and 4)
>

That's amazing news!  Great work, I'm sure you'll have fun.

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Re: TULIP9903474.web.jpg (JPEG Image, 800x533 pixels)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/1/2009 9:20:42 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
ro...@blakout.net  writes:
http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/TULIP9903474.web.jpg
^^^ before  this beauty dies. First tulips this year...


It's really  pretty, Roman, but I think you needed more light on the subject 
-- fill flash,  reflector, whatever.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO - Lobelia Rust

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In a message dated 4/1/2009 9:21:49 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
brendanmacrae1...@yahoo.com writes:
I think it was the time of  day. The light is a bit too much to produce much 
contrast  here.


It was a bit bright.

Well, I must admit  I was trying to beat rush hour traffic back. So it was 
late date, but not late  late day. I'll probably try again, soon. If not soon, 
lobelia will be  gone.

Thanks for the input.

Marnie aka Doe :-)


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Subject: PESO - Lobelia Rust

Not totally successful, I  think. Probably should  tone down the grass in 
front. (I think the  flower is   Lobelia.)

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/rust.htm

This   is the way California wildflowers grow, in bunch of weeds, so you can 
rarely  get  a clean shot of just flowers. Also taken at the Duck Club -- 
that  
was the  roof of a car or tractor or something.

Comments   welcome.

Marnie aka Doe   :-)


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Re: Shock

[Bruce Dayton]

That just goes to show that it is truly the person behind the camera
that makes the difference much more than the equipment itself.  Very
impressive work, Cotty!

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:57:11 AM, you wrote:
C> Thanks Bob. Believe it or not, I was using a borrowed entry level camera
C> that seriously restricted creative freedom. I can do a lot better than that.

C> The subject of photographers intrigues me. To follow them around and see
C> what makes them tick, to get inside their heads, to try and convey their
C> thought processes and aspirations is something that I would like to try
C> and grapple with in a documentary, or series of docs. I think it would
C> make interesting viewing.

C> I know it's al been done before, but this new aspect of a worldwide
C> community gathering in forums such as email lists and chat rooms where
C> pics can be shown around like prints at the camera club adds a new
C> dimension - and producing a book from remote points of the globe without
C> actually getting the bottom off the seat - again, pretty fascinating. I
C> think it would appeal to a wider viewing public, certainly with
C> international appeal.

C> That's the basic gist of what I have in mind. I'm working on it but
C> these things taking ridiculous amounts of time. If I had a spare 30
C> grand in the bank I'd take 6 months off and get going on it now...

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Re: dev question for the film folks

[Adam Maas]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Godfrey.  That helps quite a bit.  I've been digging through
>> photos, mainly on flickr, looking at different films souped in Xtol.
>> There's obviously the possibility of lots of editing, but I'm seeing
>> similarities, too.  Just ordered a bunch of Plus-X.  And I think I
>> have some TMAX around here, so I'll do some comparisons.
>
> Plus-X and Tri-X do well too, but compared to TMax 100/400 or Delta 100/400
> they simply don't compete on grain structure and tonal differentiation. They
> also don't push anywhere near as well.
>
> TMax 100 took me about 20 rolls to understand how to expose and process it
> properly. Before that I thought it was crap. Once I 'got' it, it does better
> than nearly anything else other than Agfapan APX25. A truly remarkable film.
>
> Godfrey
>

On the subject of Tonal Differentiation and pushing Tri-X beats both
TMax 400 and Delta 400 silly. My experience with the modern emulsions
are that they have extremely poor midtone seperation unless you are
using per-sheet development compensation to deal with known SBR's and
using N-1 or N-2 tiimes to stretch the midtones out. As to TMax 100,
try some Neopan Acros, all the strengths of TMax 100 without the
excessive sensitivity to slight changes in development, better
midtones and no reciprocity failure until 2 minutes.

As to pushing, both of the modern emulsions are good for a 2-3 stop
push max, while Tri-X can be pulled as far as 100 and pushed to 6400
fairly easily, and at least in 120 EI 12800 or 25600 are attainable
(But at the edge of sanity). Of course, my results are in TMax Dev and
Rodinal 1:100 stand developed not X-Tol.

Both Delta and TMax seem to be to be ideal films for anyone using the
full zone system, or who does heavy dev-time or darkroom/PS
manipulation.


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Re: lawn darts

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Brewer wrote:

Bob Sullivan wrote:

Oh sure...
"Photographer killed at Grandfather Mountain"
A participant at this year's Nature Photography Weekend was killed in
a game gone bad.  A group of Pentax photographers camping overnight in
the picnic area played lawn darts well into the night.  In the wee
hours of Saturday night, an adjacent camper was pinned to the ground
by a lawn dart.  He was a Nikon user.


yeah, like arming all those guys with laser pointers isn't dangerous 
enough.


"Make it a clean shot!"


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Re: GFM NPW registration

[Mark Roberts]

Scott Loveless wrote:

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Cotty  wrote:

On 1/4/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:


Online registration is open!

If you're in two minds




Holy cow!  It's full.  Less than 10 hours.


It's the recession: Last year took only about 5 hours, IIRC.



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Re: Showing up at Photoshow

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, I couldn't understand what you said, but your Italian is great!
Congrats on the opportunity.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:55:49 AM, you wrote:

DB> Hi all,

DB> After the change of distributor for Pentax in Italy, I've been appointed for
DB> presenting products at Photoshow:
DB> 
http://www.tvtech.it/video/321/pentax-una-gamma-completa-da-compatte-a-reflex/

DB> And the press conference:
DB> http://www.hwupgrade.it/minisiti/photoshow-2009/gallery/?gallery_id=9
DB> (I'm the one standing in pics 1 and 4)

DB> Cheers,

DB> Dario 


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Re: PESO - High Street Lane

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>
> One of several small lanes off Oxford's High Street:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8851078
>
> (K10D and DA 16-45)
>
> Rick

I like it.  I'm sure it really feels like you're at the bottom of a
deep dark trench, and you've captured that very well.  Nice
composition, too.

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Re: PESO - Progress

[Bruce Dayton]

Gave me a chuckle.  Even wider may have worked to show the
surroundings.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:28:44 AM, you wrote:

ft> Just what every neighbourhood needs:

ft> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/progress.html

ft> Comments always welcome.

ft> cheers,
ft> frank





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Re: GFM NPW registration

[Cotty]

On 1/4/09, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You attending this year?

It would be my sincerest wish to come along. Just have to wait and see
what the airline fairies bring me.

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Re: ping

[Scott Loveless]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:51 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> 
>
> Pong

Boing!

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Re: GFM Registration

[Cotty]

On 1/4/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Are you planning to camp?  It's really the best way to experience the
>PDML side of GFM.

I have to say that Scotty's breakfast is worth the journey alone

More appetite-whetting:



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Re: PESO - Duck Train

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM,   wrote:
> I went back to the Duck Club today and took some  more shots (working up to a
> Duck Club GESO).
>
> There was another train  there today -- an older train.
>
> Not saying this is as good as the shot  everyone loved, but somewhat nice, I
> think.
>
> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck2.htm
>
> Should I  clone out the grass at the bottom right?
>
> Comments not turned  away.

I think I'd crop out the clump of grass.  Maybe crop out 1/2 the water
at the bottom.

Mind you that's probably not what you'd like to do, otherwise you
wouldn't be asking about cloning, you'd be asking about a crop.

;-)

cheers,
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Re: PESO: Another over processed picture of Lyndsaye

[William Robb]

Thanks all for the looks and comments.

William Robb

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Re: ping

[Cotty]

On 1/4/09, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

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Laddy, you're going in the right direction. Keep em coming.

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Re: ping

[David J Brooks]

Lovely Dave

Oh, bong

Dave

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Re: PESO - Duck Train II

[Bruce Dayton]

The crop works pretty well.  Train on top left with reflection, wind farm
on top right, birds on bottom right.  I rather like this one.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:48:55 AM, you wrote:

Eac> See if anyone likes this better.

Eac> This has  an odd crop because the bottom was shadow, which didn't add a 
thing.

Eac> But  I walked out as far as I wanted, and about as far as I'd go without 
hip
Eac> boots.

Eac> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/duck3.htm

Eac> Comments  welcome.

Eac> Marnie aka Doe  :-)  Not that I have hip boots. Also,  those aren't  ducks.

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Re: GFM Registration

[David J Brooks]

Frank and I will not be there, so it should be pretty boring.:-)

Some one else can hold all the beer in their truck, John S i think was
on for this year. Its a thankless job,

Dave

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