RE: Oh so OT - Car rental in Italy
The mafia need someone to pay off. Do they have police in Italy? I thought that there are no rules on the road, so what is the point of police? stan On May 8, 2009, at 2:08 AM, Bob W wrote: It might be needed if you're stopped by the police. Northern Italy. I pre-booked a car with a local agency. Website clearly stated - International Driver's Permit Required. So I got one. Went to pick up the car. All they were interested in was my credit card. I tried showing my U.S. license, my International Permit. They didn't care. YMMV. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DA* 60-250 at BH
$1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I don't think it's all that terrible much. The Canon 70-200/4L IS runs about $1,100. Both lenses are weather-sealed f/4. The Canon has IS built in. But the Pentax offers 10mm wider and 50mm longer range. If I were still shooting for newspapers I would be chomping at the bit to get this lens. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: DAMN steep, you can get a nice clean smc-A 70-210/4 for 1/10 the price. How would that compare? Id love to see a good aperture for aperture test. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Kingfisher Reprise
Thanks Christine. Best regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila [cagu...@earthlink.net] Sent: 09 May 2009 00:19 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Kingfisher Reprise Wow, John, that's pretty! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Kingfisher Reprise Had better light this time around and more reach. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9135252size=lg Pentax K20D, Battery Grip, SMC Pentax DA*300/4, Kenko AF 1.5x SHQ Teleconverter, f/5.6, 1/750th sec, ISO 560 Best regards, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Kingfisher Reprise
Thanks Cotty. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty [cotty...@mac.com] Sent: 08 May 2009 22:09 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Kingfisher Reprise On 8/5/09, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: Had better light this time around and more reach. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9135252size=lg Pentax K20D, Battery Grip, SMC Pentax DA*300/4, Kenko AF 1.5x SHQ Teleconverter, f/5.6, 1/750th sec, ISO 560 Best regards, Great job John. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
$1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? Hmm... Are these both new prices, or are you comparing new with used here? Can one still get the A70-210 new? - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: tungsten gels for flashes
Basically I downloaded this brochure (~2MB): http://www.leefilters.com/lighting/downloads/ref:T46DECC859D799/ ...on the second to last page they list their various swatch books. I used the contact us portion of the website to request the one I wanted. Several weeks later I received a package containing the swatch book from an Australian distributor. Cheers, Dave 2009/5/8 Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net: Do you have a link to the page to order samples? I searched the US site and was not able to find it. TIA -p David Savage wrote: 2009/5/7 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com: 2009/5/7 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: tungsten gels for flashes I recently took delivery of a Lee filter Designers Edition sample book which contains various CTO gels. I requested it via their website it arrived about 3-4 weeks later. Good deal. How big are the samples? The Rosco book that I got (also free) is a little small for my Matz 60 head. I'll check when I get home but they're about 35-40mm x 70-75mm I just measured them the sample gels are 38x90mm. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
JC OConnell wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson Yes, please. Don't forget to leave yours out in the rain overnight. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I don't think it's all that terrible much. The Canon 70-200/4L IS runs about $1,100. Both lenses are weather-sealed f/4. The Canon has IS built in. But the Pentax offers 10mm wider and 50mm longer range. If I were still shooting for newspapers I would be chomping at the bit to get this lens. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: DAMN steep, you can get a nice clean smc-A 70-210/4 for 1/10 the price. How would that compare? Id love to see a good aperture for aperture test. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DA* 60-250 at BH
well if I made that dumb mistake, I could could buy nine more. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH JC OConnell wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson Yes, please. Don't forget to leave yours out in the rain overnight. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I don't think it's all that terrible much. The Canon 70-200/4L IS runs about $1,100. Both lenses are weather-sealed f/4. The Canon has IS built in. But the Pentax offers 10mm wider and 50mm longer range. If I were still shooting for newspapers I would be chomping at the bit to get this lens. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: DAMN steep, you can get a nice clean smc-A 70-210/4 for 1/10 the price. How would that compare? Id love to see a good aperture for aperture test. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DA* 60-250 at BH
the a70-210 hasnt been available new for many years but you can buy them like new condition on ebay all the time for the figure quoted. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Peter Loveday Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:07 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? Hmm... Are these both new prices, or are you comparing new with used here? Can one still get the A70-210 new? - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML members' web sites
Mark Roberts wrote: I've just done some updates to my site, including the page of PDML members' web sites: http://www.robertstech.com/pdml.htm If you have a page that's not listed and would like me to add it, just pipe up! Piping up: http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/ Thanks, Mark. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML members' web sites
Mark Roberts wrote: I've just done some updates to my site, including the page of PDML members' web sites: http://www.robertstech.com/pdml.htm If you have a page that's not listed and would like me to add it, just pipe up! I'd like to be on the list.. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML members' web sites
Here's mine: http://www.repiuk.nl Toine Kuiper 2009/5/8 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: I've just done some updates to my site, including the page of PDML members' web sites: http://www.robertstech.com/pdml.htm If you have a page that's not listed and would like me to add it, just pipe up! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
For what it is, no it is not that much. And no, I'm not particularly interested in seeing quality comparisons. My el-cheapo 18-55 lens regularly knocks my socks off in terms of image quality. I'm sure the $1,200 lens will be just fine. Sure and I know that the 70-210A are great lenses. But they aren't brand-new, they aren't weather sealed and they aren't autofocus. I wonder if anyone would care to figure out how much the A70-210 went for brand-new and adjust that for inflation? I'd bet there wouldn't be that big a difference. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:56 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I don't think it's all that terrible much. The Canon 70-200/4L IS runs about $1,100. Both lenses are weather-sealed f/4. The Canon has IS built in. But the Pentax offers 10mm wider and 50mm longer range. If I were still shooting for newspapers I would be chomping at the bit to get this lens. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: DAMN steep, you can get a nice clean smc-A 70-210/4 for 1/10 the price. How would that compare? Id love to see a good aperture for aperture test. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:56 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson When the A70-210 AF's in a downpour, I'll consider it a valid comparison. I like the A70-210, but it's only very generally comparable to the DA*60-250. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 13
Am interested in knowing what it is. I like it..for some reason. ;) BTW, been away for a couple days. Trying to catch up a bit. Jack --- On Thu, 5/7/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: PESO: 13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 6:18 PM http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9071107 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kingfisher Reprise
I agree, much better, John. Personality bird shot. :) Jack --- On Fri, 5/8/09, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote: From: John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk Subject: Kingfisher Reprise To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:45 AM Had better light this time around and more reach. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9135252size=lg Pentax K20D, Battery Grip, SMC Pentax DA*300/4, Kenko AF 1.5x SHQ Teleconverter, f/5.6, 1/750th sec, ISO 560 Best regards, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
I'm afraid they just tore it. Jack --- On Fri, 5/8/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: DA* 60-250 at BH To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 5:59 PM It's listed now and in stock. $1395. Steep for an f4 lens. I'm torn. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bluebell Conversation
Nicely done. Rick, I did not know that Tokina also made 100/3.5 macro lens. Is it in any way similar to Pentax FA 100/3.5 macro and its Cosina siblings? Boris Rick Womer wrote: Okay, I'm obsessed with bluebells. Fortunately we have a few of them in our back garden. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9114695size=lg (K10D, Tokina 100/3.5 macro) Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - White
Dag, I have to say I am puzzled. On one hand you put the road sign on the left part of the frame, yet it points rightwards. Now, tell me - where do you position yourself along the political spectrum? ;-) Seriously, however, I'd gladly make a big print of this photo and hang it on the wall either at home or in the office. Boris DagT wrote: Spring is here, but I found this going through the pictures from this winter. http://dag.foto.no/cgi-bin/portfolio/layout1/show_kategori_image.cgi?brukerid=158serieid=139bildeid=58639 K20D and DA*16-50 DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Dandyhorse (take II)
May I please suggest that you take the crop from the b/w photo and colors from the color photo and put them together in one frame? ;-) Boris frank theriault wrote: When I showed yesterday's version of this: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/dandyhorse.html Ken suggested cropping a bit off the bottom. As I was doing that, I thought I'd keep cropping so that the corners of the mag were at frame's edge. Then I wondered how it would look it BW. Here's the result: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/05/dandyhorse.html Comments are appreciated. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Another Dipper
I second what Graydon said. Boris Graydon wrote: On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 12:14:12AM +0200, Tim Øsleby scripsit: http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?act=attachtype=postid=297880 Today we had one brief moment of good light. Nothing special except from the light. And heavily overcropped. But I like it anyway. Overcropped or not, that's excellent feather detail. Completely convincing water, also, which is not always the case in pictures of water pouring over stones. Can quite see why you like it! -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Sunday at The Sun
Rick, this photo made me think of Good old times and time travel. Boris Rick Womer wrote: Sunday afternoon at The Sun, one of Hook Norton's public houses. Nice place, nice people, great food, and wonderful beer. Can one of the Brits tell me what game they're playing? It looks like dominoes, but the tiles are white without markings. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9083772size=lg Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: View from The Pavilion
Paul, like photo Rick posted, yours also made me think of time travel, but this time into the future... And it is not too difficult for me to imagine really big print made of this one. Boris Paul Stenquist wrote: While shooting virtual tours for real estate, I sometimes come across unusual buildings. I shot tours at a building in downtown Detroit the other day that surprised me. Built in 1957, it struck me as having been well ahead of its time. The architectural style looked familiar, so I checked when I got home and discovered that it was designed by Mies van der Rohe and is on the National Register of Historic Places. The exterior of the 20 story apartment building is mostly windows, framed in metal. The lobby is all black marble. It's in excellent condition and 95% occupied. The building is situated at the eastern edge of downtown, and its framed by a nice little park. The attached pic is the view from a 15th floor apartment. You can see the GM building (formerly the Renaissance Center and quite possibly soon to be something else) at the far left. Ford Field, the domed stadium, is at the far right. The shot is a composite of three frames from the pano I shot in this apartment. They're 16mm verticals, f13 @ about 1/4 second, ISO 200. Click to make it larger: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9074706 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Badbury Clump
Wow! Boris Rick Womer wrote: Fourteen years ago, I accidentally came upon this place at the height of bluebell season. It is a beech wood on the site of an Iron Age hill fort, about 25 miles southwest of Oxford. I thought it was magical, and have been looking forward to getting back ever since. This past weekend we spent an hour there. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9069212size=lg (K10D and DA 16-45) Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DA* 60-250 at BH
Like I said earlier, you can get smc-A/70-210mm/4 lenses in LIKE NEW stone mint condition for $139 fairly easily on ebay. Sure, weather sealing, greater zoom range, and AF definately add value to the DA lens but it would NOT add over a $1200 value to a $139 lens to ME if the image quality was only the same in the DA lens. To each his own. There is also the possiblility that the DA lens wont cover FF digital in the future as well as the A lens does. Thats a possible liability, not a plus for the DA lens. Bottom line is that I wouldnt pay the $1200 premium if the A70-210 was just as good optically for the DA60-250. The $1200 saved could buy to many other MUCH more valuable features to me like more good lenses and good DSLR bodies. To some, the extra things the DA60-250 does would be worth that premium, but not for me. We are talking 10 times the price or approx $1200 more for the DA lens vs the A lens mentioned. Thats really a huge difference in price to be considering. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:36 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH For what it is, no it is not that much. And no, I'm not particularly interested in seeing quality comparisons. My el-cheapo 18-55 lens regularly knocks my socks off in terms of image quality. I'm sure the $1,200 lens will be just fine. Sure and I know that the 70-210A are great lenses. But they aren't brand-new, they aren't weather sealed and they aren't autofocus. I wonder if anyone would care to figure out how much the A70-210 went for brand-new and adjust that for inflation? I'd bet there wouldn't be that big a difference. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:56 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I don't think it's all that terrible much. The Canon 70-200/4L IS runs about $1,100. Both lenses are weather-sealed f/4. The Canon has IS built in. But the Pentax offers 10mm wider and 50mm longer range. If I were still shooting for newspapers I would be chomping at the bit to get this lens. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: DAMN steep, you can get a nice clean smc-A 70-210/4 for 1/10 the price. How would that compare? Id love to see a good aperture for aperture test. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DA* 60-250 at BH
Im not pretending they are the exact same thing, its just the added features of the 60-250 simply dont even come close to adding up to $1200 added value over $139 70-210/4/A lens price to ME. Thats the math I did. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:08 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:56 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson When the A70-210 AF's in a downpour, I'll consider it a valid comparison. I like the A70-210, but it's only very generally comparable to the DA*60-250. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
I use zooms for event coverage. I shoot with two cameras. One gets the wide: the DA* 16-50, the other gets a longer lens. For that I've been using the DA* 50-135. But I've found that I can't always get close enough for the 135 FOV. So I'd like to have better reach on my second camera. The 60-250 fills the bill perfectly. I wouldn't even consider a manual focus lens for this role. It's bang, bang, shoot them dead work. Fast is good. And my eyes are old. What's more, I've found that the DA* lenses deliver better image quality on my Pentax digitals than lenses that were designed for full-frame cameras. Yes, Pentax may some day introduced a larger sensor camera. But I live in the here and now, and I have to get the job done with the equipment that's available. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 9:55 AM, JC OConnell wrote: Like I said earlier, you can get smc-A/70-210mm/4 lenses in LIKE NEW stone mint condition for $139 fairly easily on ebay. Sure, weather sealing, greater zoom range, and AF definately add value to the DA lens but it would NOT add over a $1200 value to a $139 lens to ME if the image quality was only the same in the DA lens. To each his own. There is also the possiblility that the DA lens wont cover FF digital in the future as well as the A lens does. Thats a possible liability, not a plus for the DA lens. Bottom line is that I wouldnt pay the $1200 premium if the A70-210 was just as good optically for the DA60-250. The $1200 saved could buy to many other MUCH more valuable features to me like more good lenses and good DSLR bodies. To some, the extra things the DA60-250 does would be worth that premium, but not for me. We are talking 10 times the price or approx $1200 more for the DA lens vs the A lens mentioned. Thats really a huge difference in price to be considering. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:36 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH For what it is, no it is not that much. And no, I'm not particularly interested in seeing quality comparisons. My el-cheapo 18-55 lens regularly knocks my socks off in terms of image quality. I'm sure the $1,200 lens will be just fine. Sure and I know that the 70-210A are great lenses. But they aren't brand-new, they aren't weather sealed and they aren't autofocus. I wonder if anyone would care to figure out how much the A70-210 went for brand-new and adjust that for inflation? I'd bet there wouldn't be that big a difference. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:56 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I don't think it's all that terrible much. The Canon 70-200/4L IS runs about $1,100. Both lenses are weather-sealed f/4. The Canon has IS built in. But the Pentax offers 10mm wider and 50mm longer range. If I were still shooting for newspapers I would be chomping at the bit to get this lens. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: DAMN steep, you can get a nice clean smc-A 70-210/4 for 1/10 the price. How would that compare? Id love to see a good aperture for aperture test. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DA* 60-250 at BH
I clearly stated that the DA wouldnt be worth $1200 more to ME **IF** the image quality were the same as the A70-210/4. I didnt state the 70-210 **WAS** the same image quality as the DA60-250/4, that's still unknown to me at least. I would not assume they are the same IQ nor specualate which one's better IQ without serious testing and evaluation being done on them. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:08 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I use zooms for event coverage. I shoot with two cameras. One gets the wide: the DA* 16-50, the other gets a longer lens. For that I've been using the DA* 50-135. But I've found that I can't always get close enough for the 135 FOV. So I'd like to have better reach on my second camera. The 60-250 fills the bill perfectly. I wouldn't even consider a manual focus lens for this role. It's bang, bang, shoot them dead work. Fast is good. And my eyes are old. What's more, I've found that the DA* lenses deliver better image quality on my Pentax digitals than lenses that were designed for full-frame cameras. Yes, Pentax may some day introduced a larger sensor camera. But I live in the here and now, and I have to get the job done with the equipment that's available. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 9:55 AM, JC OConnell wrote: Like I said earlier, you can get smc-A/70-210mm/4 lenses in LIKE NEW stone mint condition for $139 fairly easily on ebay. Sure, weather sealing, greater zoom range, and AF definately add value to the DA lens but it would NOT add over a $1200 value to a $139 lens to ME if the image quality was only the same in the DA lens. To each his own. There is also the possiblility that the DA lens wont cover FF digital in the future as well as the A lens does. Thats a possible liability, not a plus for the DA lens. Bottom line is that I wouldnt pay the $1200 premium if the A70-210 was just as good optically for the DA60-250. The $1200 saved could buy to many other MUCH more valuable features to me like more good lenses and good DSLR bodies. To some, the extra things the DA60-250 does would be worth that premium, but not for me. We are talking 10 times the price or approx $1200 more for the DA lens vs the A lens mentioned. Thats really a huge difference in price to be considering. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:36 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH For what it is, no it is not that much. And no, I'm not particularly interested in seeing quality comparisons. My el-cheapo 18-55 lens regularly knocks my socks off in terms of image quality. I'm sure the $1,200 lens will be just fine. Sure and I know that the 70-210A are great lenses. But they aren't brand-new, they aren't weather sealed and they aren't autofocus. I wonder if anyone would care to figure out how much the A70-210 went for brand-new and adjust that for inflation? I'd bet there wouldn't be that big a difference. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:56 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Nick Wright Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I don't think it's all that terrible much. The Canon 70-200/4L IS runs about $1,100. Both lenses are weather-sealed f/4. The Canon has IS built in. But the Pentax offers 10mm wider and 50mm longer range. If I were still shooting for newspapers I would be chomping at the bit to get this lens. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: DAMN steep, you can get a nice clean smc-A 70-210/4 for 1/10 the price. How would that compare? Id love to see a good aperture for aperture test. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
RE: Kingfisher Reprise
Thanks Jack, I'm looking to enable myself with some longer glass, more LBA. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis [jdavi...@yahoo.com] Sent: 09 May 2009 13:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Kingfisher Reprise I agree, much better, John. Personality bird shot. :) Jack --- On Fri, 5/8/09, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote: From: John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk Subject: Kingfisher Reprise To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:45 AM Had better light this time around and more reach. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9135252size=lg Pentax K20D, Battery Grip, SMC Pentax DA*300/4, Kenko AF 1.5x SHQ Teleconverter, f/5.6, 1/750th sec, ISO 560 Best regards, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
- Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: DA* 60-250 at BH Im not pretending they are the exact same thing, its just the added features of the 60-250 simply dont even come close to adding up to $1200 added value over $139 70-210/4/A lens price to ME. Thats the math I did. John, why not drop it? It doesn't matter. People will buy what they are going to buy. Everyone else, why not drop it too? This will turn into a 500 post arguement. You won't get the last word. Been there, done that. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A70-210/4 assessment
I saw the A70-210/4 vs DA* 60-250 thread I have an A70-210/4 that I bought off of eBay a couple of years ago for around $120. It's in practically new condition, came with the original Pentax hard case, etc. Physical Characteristics: It has a full metal body with a built-in slide-out hood. It is long and heavy and has the classic one-touch control that you push-pull to zoom and twist to focus. Optical Characteristics: I haven't done formal tests, but I have shot detailed stuff at distance. At 200mm, it is quite sharp (even wide open) on my K10D. It has a nice close-focus macro mode. It does show some purple fringing in strong backlight situations. Usability: I tip my hat to everyone who ever did action/sports photography with manual focus zooms back in the day. It is difficult. The one-touch focus/zoom doesn't help me much, either. Without a focus aid like a split-prism screen, I find it hard to nail focus down exactly on my K10D (and *ist-Ds). My bottom line: For deliberate photography such as landscape, scenic, macro, posed portraits, and such, I think it is a great lens. The results are good and it's a stop faster than anything else short of $1000+ lenses. It doesn't work for me for fast-response photography (sports, chasing my kids around, action weddings, wildlife, etc.). So, depending on the application, I think that the 10x cost premium of the DA* 60-250 may not be worth it, or may be totally necessary. --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
I think most folks are going to continue this sort of discussion hoping to be convinced they should buy one. Having been convinced, they feel it may be of use when their wives launch. It won't be! 8-0 Jack --- On Sat, 5/9/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 8:22 AM - Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: DA* 60-250 at BH Im not pretending they are the exact same thing, its just the added features of the 60-250 simply dont even come close to adding up to $1200 added value over $139 70-210/4/A lens price to ME. Thats the math I did. John, why not drop it? It doesn't matter. People will buy what they are going to buy. Everyone else, why not drop it too? This will turn into a 500 post arguement. You won't get the last word. Been there, done that. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A70-210/4 assessment
- Original Message - From: Mark Erickson Subject: A70-210/4 assessment I saw the A70-210/4 vs DA* 60-250 thread I have an A70-210/4 that I bought off of eBay a couple of years ago for around $120. It's in practically new condition, came with the original Pentax hard case, etc. and there was much snippage So, depending on the application, I think that the 10x cost premium of the DA* 60-250 may not be worth it, or may be totally necessary. I have a really old pre A series Tokina 80-200/2.8 lens. It's fabulously sharp, even wide open it's decent, it doesn't flare like crazy (good hood though), and I have yet to see any purple fringing. However, I have trouble tracking and keeping fast moving subjects such as my dogs in focus with it. I suspect a 60-250 is going to find its way into my kit. It's not that my 80-200 isn't a good imager, it's that I want what the 60-250 offers, and if can I justify the price of admission. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
- Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I think most folks are going to continue this sort of discussion hoping to be convinced they should buy one. Having been convinced, they feel it may be of use when their wives launch. It won't be! 8-0 Offer to renovate the bathroom. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A70-210/4 assessment
If you are going to use MF lenses, why not install a better manual focus screen? (Do they interfere with AF operation? I dont know, possibly alter stop down metering wtih K/M lenses) I put a split image RF with microprism focus screen in my istDS when I first got it a few years ago and havent missed many if any focus shots since. The one I got works well on quality F4 to F5.6 lenses or faster. I find the better the quality of the lens the clearer the split image seperates. This is one of the reasons I PREFER manual focus most of the time. I KNOW where I want to focus and I KNOW Im going to get that in focus, and easily. No, I dont do sports or reportage/action where AF really pays off, but I have NO difficulty nailing focus manually on static / slow subjects using the DS split screen in average to bright light, Id estimate my batting average as .999 or better. Out of focus is a virtual non issue for me on my type of shots shooting w manual focus. That said, I dont do very low light work either. I have been lately using a tamron sp 80-200/2.8 in the focal range we have been discussing but that lens is so bright and contrasty I can practically manual focus it in the dark with the split image rf screen in the DS. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Erickson Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:54 AM To: PDML Subject: A70-210/4 assessment I saw the A70-210/4 vs DA* 60-250 thread I have an A70-210/4 that I bought off of eBay a couple of years ago for around $120. It's in practically new condition, came with the original Pentax hard case, etc. Physical Characteristics: It has a full metal body with a built-in slide-out hood. It is long and heavy and has the classic one-touch control that you push-pull to zoom and twist to focus. Optical Characteristics: I haven't done formal tests, but I have shot detailed stuff at distance. At 200mm, it is quite sharp (even wide open) on my K10D. It has a nice close-focus macro mode. It does show some purple fringing in strong backlight situations. Usability: I tip my hat to everyone who ever did action/sports photography with manual focus zooms back in the day. It is difficult. The one-touch focus/zoom doesn't help me much, either. Without a focus aid like a split-prism screen, I find it hard to nail focus down exactly on my K10D (and *ist-Ds). My bottom line: For deliberate photography such as landscape, scenic, macro, posed portraits, and such, I think it is a great lens. The results are good and it's a stop faster than anything else short of $1000+ lenses. It doesn't work for me for fast-response photography (sports, chasing my kids around, action weddings, wildlife, etc.). So, depending on the application, I think that the 10x cost premium of the DA* 60-250 may not be worth it, or may be totally necessary. --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters, how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20382864 Maybe thats a better lens for possibly the same or less money? I dont know but it would be worth investigating, no? FWIW, There are other F4 or faster AF lenses out there by third parties too, some 60-300mm, some 75-300m some other 50/60/70/80 - 200/210/300mmm etc. There are lots of choices in F4 or faster long telezooms if you count the used market and everything ever made in that range. Its always been a popular range. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Market's Open
Here's some new photos from the first day of business for the new farmer's market. http://heartofliving.blogspot.com/2009/05/market-open.html -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 13
Christine Aguila wrote: Pretty cool, Paul. I was going to ask what is it? but I decided to check to see if you revealed the secret and you have. he did? Ok - looks like an abstract impressionist painting to me... I like it... but but it is still a secret to me :_) ann I like very much--nicely abstract to my eye! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: PESO: 13 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9071107 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters, how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8
It's also rather rare, lacks full-time focus override and weather sealing and probably AF's slower due to the large amount of glass and lack of SDM. Would be a good choice if you can actually find one though. -Adam On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:58 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20382864 Maybe thats a better lens for possibly the same or less money? I dont know but it would be worth investigating, no? FWIW, There are other F4 or faster AF lenses out there by third parties too, some 60-300mm, some 75-300m some other 50/60/70/80 - 200/210/300mmm etc. There are lots of choices in F4 or faster long telezooms if you count the used market and everything ever made in that range. Its always been a popular range. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 09:12:35AM +0100, mike wilson wrote: JC OConnell wrote: $1300+ is not that terrible much? Wouldnt you rather see a test comparison to the $139 typical smc-A/70-210/F4 before judging that $1300+ price? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson Yes, please. Don't forget to leave yours out in the rain overnight. And no cheating by 'helping' with the focussing, either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Galia PESO #017
Hi! This time I decided that I could post a PESO of exclusively Galia's shots. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-017.html For those who hadn't seen my face yet, there is one there... Be brutal and honest. Comments about my beard will be disregarded ;-). I am too lazy to shave. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Galia PESO #017
Hi! This time I decided that I could post a PESO of exclusively Galia's shots. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-017.html For those who hadn't seen my face yet, there is one there... Be brutal and honest. Comments about my beard will be disregarded ;-). I am too lazy to shave. Boris Galia has a very good eye for composition! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
LoL..she doubtless already has the new look in mind.() J --- On Sat, 5/9/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:11 AM - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I think most folks are going to continue this sort of discussion hoping to be convinced they should buy one. Having been convinced, they feel it may be of use when their wives launch. It won't be! 8-0 Offer to renovate the bathroom. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Galia PESO #017
Can see that she gets it. Well on her artistic way. Still thinking about your beard. |-\ Jack --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Galia PESO #017 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 10:14 AM Hi! This time I decided that I could post a PESO of exclusively Galia's shots. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-017.html For those who hadn't seen my face yet, there is one there... Be brutal and honest. Comments about my beard will be disregarded ;-). I am too lazy to shave. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Galia PESO #017
2009/5/9 Bob W p...@web-options.com: Galia has a very good eye for composition! She has indeed. Now she only has to learn how to remove facial hair in photoshop. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Galia PESO #017
Very nice. You're right. Excellent compositions. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Bob W wrote: Hi! This time I decided that I could post a PESO of exclusively Galia's shots. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-017.html For those who hadn't seen my face yet, there is one there... Be brutal and honest. Comments about my beard will be disregarded ;-). I am too lazy to shave. Boris Galia has a very good eye for composition! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Triangulation Five
I ran across this pic earlier today when looking for something else. It's from November of 2007, and I like the bit of levity it brings to this series. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9142474 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - White
:-) Politically, it depends where you are. In Norway I´m on the right side as I don´t like too much government control and I´m very individualistic, but I guess I´m more liberal than conservative so by US standards I might be thought of differently there... As for the picture I say thanks! I´ll tell you off it looks good on a big print, so you can get one next time you come to Norway .-) DagT Den 9. mai. 2009 kl. 14.35 skrev Boris Liberman: Dag, I have to say I am puzzled. On one hand you put the road sign on the left part of the frame, yet it points rightwards. Now, tell me - where do you position yourself along the political spectrum? ;-) Seriously, however, I'd gladly make a big print of this photo and hang it on the wall either at home or in the office. Boris DagT wrote: Spring is here, but I found this going through the pictures from this winter. http://dag.foto.no/cgi-bin/portfolio/layout1/show_kategori_image.cgi?brukerid=158serieid=139bildeid=58639 K20D and DA*16-50 DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Triangulation Five
I like it too, Paul. KEEPER! Jack --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: PESO: Triangulation Five To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:37 AM I ran across this pic earlier today when looking for something else. It's from November of 2007, and I like the bit of levity it brings to this series. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9142474 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tactical Assault Camera
Yep. Zenit Fotosniper beats all those digital mumbo-jumbos hands down :) I have FS-12 (based on Zenit 12xp)... a real bazooka. Z-1p with DA*300/4 shoots much better, but doesn't catch the looks :) BTW, some information in english: http://www.commiecameras.com/sov/35mmsinglelensreflexcameras/cameras/photosniper/index.htm BR, Margus Igor Roshchin wrote: Look here as well: http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/fs/index.html (sorry, the text is in Russian, but you will be able to figure out the images) The first image of the Magazine gun camera produced by Sands Hunter, UK, 1885. (the date seems to be strange to me - I suspect a typo) (The image is taken from Amateur Photographer, October 20, 1976 issue, p. 84.) The rest of the images - are of the photo-sniper systems produced in Russia, baed on the Zenit cameras. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Triangulation Five
Haven't commented on any of your previous photos in the triangulation series, but I think this is a great addition. The eye contact makes it for me. Jostein 2009/5/9 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I ran across this pic earlier today when looking for something else. It's from November of 2007, and I like the bit of levity it brings to this series. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9142474 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
You supposed to have a gear shift on that? Looks like a hanger on the frame for a shift. Pretty bike... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FA* and DA* lenses (was Re: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters, how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8)
JC OConnell wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20382864 Maybe thats a better lens for possibly the same or less money? I dont know but it would be worth investigating, no? I had one--bought it from a member of this list (or its predecessor) for ~$1100 around 2000. Nice glass, but really big and really heavy. I sold it for $2000 on eBay in 2006 and bought my 31, 43, and 77 limited lenses with the $$$. I use them far more than I ever used my FA* 80-200 F2.8. I also had an FA* 28-70 F2.8 lens. It worked ok, but didn't seem all that durably built. Some other folks on this list had terrible troubles with theirs. I sold it for what I paid for it, so no net loss there. What keeps me from buying the 60-250 (besides the $$$) at this point is my lack of trust in the Pentax DA* lenses. I have no interest whatsoever in dropping more than $1000 for something that may or may not have a fatal design/manufacturing flaw. I have a 16-50. It went back to Pentax USA twice because of quality control problems. The second time they replaced it with a different copy. It seems ok, but I've lost some confidence. I decided to stay away from the 50-135 due to the rash of SDM failure reports at a couple of different forums. Pentax is going to have to convince me that they can reliably manufacture durable lenses before I buy another one. Maybe a year from now, if the 60-250's out in the wild are still working, I'll consider one. --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Dropped off some 120 E-6 at Ritz today
I stopped by Pittsburgh's sole surviving Ritz Photo today to get some Velvia from my Pentax 67 processed. They said it will take about two weeks as they now send out all their E-6. Last year they did it in house, as I recall. Virtually everything in the shop was marked down drastically. I don't think this store will survive long, even though it's not on the list of Ritz stores being closed as part of their restructuring. (http://mms.businesswire.com/bwapps/mediaserver/ViewMedia?mgid=178358vid=1download=1) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FA* and DA* lenses (was Re: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters, how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8)
- Original Message - From: Mark Erickson Subject: FA* and DA* lenses (was Re: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters,how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8) What keeps me from buying the 60-250 (besides the $$$) at this point is my lack of trust in the Pentax DA* lenses. I have no interest whatsoever in dropping more than $1000 for something that may or may not have a fatal design/manufacturing flaw. I have a 16-50. It went back to Pentax USA twice because of quality control problems. The second time they replaced it with a different copy. It seems ok, but I've lost some confidence. I decided to stay away from the 50-135 due to the rash of SDM failure reports at a couple of different forums. Pentax is going to have to convince me that they can reliably manufacture durable lenses before I buy another one. Maybe a year from now, if the 60-250's out in the wild are still working, I'll consider one. This is huge, actually. It's astounding how many SDM failures just all of a sudden have been reported. It's made worse by the fact that SDM isn't giving a significant performance increase (it's significanly slow on the 55/1.4), and if the lens has a screw drive, you can't switch over to it if the focus motor fails. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Honeywell Pentax Way
From: Bob W I can't wait for GFM--I am so ready to get out on the road, I can barely stand it. I want to drive fast and play my iPod at an ear-drum deafening volume. I want to have cheeseburger deluxes at greasy truck stops. I want the wind to blow hard on the open road. I want to buy cheap gas and cheap cigarettes. And I want to snuggle up to my husband in shady road-side motels. Ah, travel--don't ya'just love it! Ain't no cheap cigarettes nor cheap gas down this way anymore. Ah, road movies! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMG6t-vY19cfeature=related They're not all Harry and Sally, you know. Bob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BhR8X-B5Jofeature=related -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 60-250 at BH
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: Re: DA* 60-250 at BH I think most folks are going to continue this sort of discussion hoping to be convinced they should buy one. Having been convinced, they feel it may be of use when their wives launch. It won't be! 8-0 Offer to renovate the bathroom. Won't work until i finish the kitchen. Dave, all thumbs. Brooks William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Market's Open
Nice. Good shadow exposure. Dave On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote: Here's some new photos from the first day of business for the new farmer's market. http://heartofliving.blogspot.com/2009/05/market-open.html -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Triangulation Five
That is just to good. Dave On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I ran across this pic earlier today when looking for something else. It's from November of 2007, and I like the bit of levity it brings to this series. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9142474 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Galia PESO #017
What Bob W said. Plus she keeps things level. Keep encouraging her. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: Galia PESO #017 Hi! This time I decided that I could post a PESO of exclusively Galia's shots. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-017.html For those who hadn't seen my face yet, there is one there... Be brutal and honest. Comments about my beard will be disregarded ;-). I am too lazy to shave. Boris Galia has a very good eye for composition! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Galia PESO #017
Tell her that me and Marit likes her pictures. Bad subject in #1, but what can she do? Tell her that I'm the odd smoking guy with the funny old car in the country of fiddly bits. You think she remembers me? Tim 2009/5/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hi! This time I decided that I could post a PESO of exclusively Galia's shots. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-017.html For those who hadn't seen my face yet, there is one there... Be brutal and honest. Comments about my beard will be disregarded ;-). I am too lazy to shave. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: FA* and DA* lenses (was Re: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters, how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8)
While I dont doubt you have enjoyed and used your 31,43, and 77 mm lenses more, but those are not valid arguments against the FA80-200/2.8 or the 70-210 or 60-250mm lenses, those are primes not zooms and with the exception of the 77mm lens are not even close to being same focal range as the 60-250 lens being considered. FWIW, there have been two recent clean used fa80-200/2.8 sales on ebay in the $1400-1600 range, not that far off the $1350 price(new) of the 60-250/4 and the focal range is somewhat similar. My tamron sp 80-200/2.8 is 1400g and not really that bad weight wise. the pentax FA 80-200/2.8 is 1500g which to me would not be that bad either for a lens of that speed and range. If size and weight is a primary concern, the A70-210/4 is only 2/3 the weight of the DA60-250 around 680g for the A70-210/4 vs ~1000g for the DA/60-250/4. For anyone on tight budget, the tamron sp 80-200/2.8 is a great value. I got mine for under $300 a few years ago. I think they are still fairly inexpensive. the performance is really outstanding and you can get a A version of the adaptall2 mount too. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Erickson Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:52 PM To: PDML Subject: FA* and DA* lenses (was Re: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters,how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8) JC OConnell wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=20382864 Maybe thats a better lens for possibly the same or less money? I dont know but it would be worth investigating, no? I had one--bought it from a member of this list (or its predecessor) for ~$1100 around 2000. Nice glass, but really big and really heavy. I sold it for $2000 on eBay in 2006 and bought my 31, 43, and 77 limited lenses with the $$$. I use them far more than I ever used my FA* 80-200 F2.8. I also had an FA* 28-70 F2.8 lens. It worked ok, but didn't seem all that durably built. Some other folks on this list had terrible troubles with theirs. I sold it for what I paid for it, so no net loss there. What keeps me from buying the 60-250 (besides the $$$) at this point is my lack of trust in the Pentax DA* lenses. I have no interest whatsoever in dropping more than $1000 for something that may or may not have a fatal design/manufacturing flaw. I have a 16-50. It went back to Pentax USA twice because of quality control problems. The second time they replaced it with a different copy. It seems ok, but I've lost some confidence. I decided to stay away from the 50-135 due to the rash of SDM failure reports at a couple of different forums. Pentax is going to have to convince me that they can reliably manufacture durable lenses before I buy another one. Maybe a year from now, if the 60-250's out in the wild are still working, I'll consider one. --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FA* and DA* lenses (was Re: A70-210/4 assessment- If AF matters, how about the SMC FA80-200/2.8)
I had to send my first DA* 16-50 back, but the replacement has been so good, it made me forget. I've shot over 10,000 frames with it for virtual tours, and every frame has been right on. My 50-135 has been great from the start. I hadn't heard of any focus problems. But the DP folks whine about everything so I wouldn't put much stock in it. I would guess that the long delay on the 60-250 had something to do with resolving quality control problems that arose with the DA*16-50. I'm not concerned about the quality, only the price. I know that if I buy from BH, and it's defective, they'll replace it. I looked at the Sigma 70-200/2.8. It's gotten some good reviews, and it's available for about $600. But it's not as long, and Sigma quality has always been a bit suspect. I'm leaning toward the 60-250. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Mark Erickson wrote: JC OConnell wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=20382864 Maybe thats a better lens for possibly the same or less money? I dont know but it would be worth investigating, no? I had one--bought it from a member of this list (or its predecessor) for ~$1100 around 2000. Nice glass, but really big and really heavy. I sold it for $2000 on eBay in 2006 and bought my 31, 43, and 77 limited lenses with the $$$. I use them far more than I ever used my FA* 80-200 F2.8. I also had an FA* 28-70 F2.8 lens. It worked ok, but didn't seem all that durably built. Some other folks on this list had terrible troubles with theirs. I sold it for what I paid for it, so no net loss there. What keeps me from buying the 60-250 (besides the $$$) at this point is my lack of trust in the Pentax DA* lenses. I have no interest whatsoever in dropping more than $1000 for something that may or may not have a fatal design/manufacturing flaw. I have a 16-50. It went back to Pentax USA twice because of quality control problems. The second time they replaced it with a different copy. It seems ok, but I've lost some confidence. I decided to stay away from the 50-135 due to the rash of SDM failure reports at a couple of different forums. Pentax is going to have to convince me that they can reliably manufacture durable lenses before I buy another one. Maybe a year from now, if the 60-250's out in the wild are still working, I'll consider one. --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: You supposed to have a gear shift on that? Looks like a hanger on the frame for a shift. Pretty bike... Regards, Bob S. Thanks, Bob. There are some cable guides, but it's a single speed at the moment. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Speaking of Bikes
I ought to start riding a bike. I run five days a week, but my knees and legs are getting too old for that. I have a Nishiki Colorado trail bike hanging in the garage. It's about 25 years old. Needs a fair amount of work. Is it worth fixing? Or should I just spring for something new? Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Excellent. Further proof that cycling helmets are only meant for children and Tour de France riders. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Speaking of Bikes
I ought to start riding a bike. I run five days a week, but my knees and legs are getting too old for that. I have a Nishiki Colorado trail bike hanging in the garage. It's about 25 years old. Needs a fair amount of work. Is it worth fixing? Or should I just spring for something new? Paul it appears to be a mountain bike, which may not be well suited for fitness cycling. I think a road bike would be better for fitness, but in any case you will have to cycle at fairly high speeds for long periods of time to get the kind of fitness benefit you get from running. I think the ratio is something like 4 miles of cycling for every mile of running, at the same heartrate, to get the same fitness benefit. If you have a heart rate monitor it might be worthwhile to measure yourself over your regular run, then take the bike out the following day instead of your run and try and cycle at the same heartrate and see if you can keep that up for the same length of time as your run. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On May 9, 2009, at 17:07, Bob W wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Some people in Minnesota go completely retro every Spring. http://www.3speedtour.com/ No lycra allowed! :-) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Speaking of Bikes
Thanks Bob. Good information. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Bob W wrote: I ought to start riding a bike. I run five days a week, but my knees and legs are getting too old for that. I have a Nishiki Colorado trail bike hanging in the garage. It's about 25 years old. Needs a fair amount of work. Is it worth fixing? Or should I just spring for something new? Paul it appears to be a mountain bike, which may not be well suited for fitness cycling. I think a road bike would be better for fitness, but in any case you will have to cycle at fairly high speeds for long periods of time to get the kind of fitness benefit you get from running. I think the ratio is something like 4 miles of cycling for every mile of running, at the same heartrate, to get the same fitness benefit. If you have a heart rate monitor it might be worthwhile to measure yourself over your regular run, then take the bike out the following day instead of your run and try and cycle at the same heartrate and see if you can keep that up for the same length of time as your run. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Speaking of Bikes
On 5/9/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I ought to start riding a bike. I run five days a week, but my knees and legs are getting too old for that. I have a Nishiki Colorado trail bike hanging in the garage. It's about 25 years old. Needs a fair amount of work. Is it worth fixing? Or should I just spring for something new? Paul Your Nishiki has a very nicely made CroMo frame. If the drive train is in good condition it's definitely worth fixing up. Maybe new tires, tubes, brake pads and perhaps some new cabling. Having this done at a bike shop isn't cheap, but it will still be considerably less expensive than a new bike. If your drive train needs major work, e.g. new bottom bracket, chain rings, cassette, etc., it's going to become a labor of love and you're probably better off just buying something new. I do this sort of thing all the time, but I have the tools for it and a pretty good supply of old bikes coming in. Turning 3 or 4 of them into one decent bike is fun. I doubt I'd do it if I had to buy new parts for everything. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Jersey Drivers
... and all the argument about when to merge came home yesterday. As I came home from work yesterday, there was a traffic accident in street ahead. Fire truck and several police cars blocking the center left turn lane and the left lane; traffic had to merge right to clear the accident. Everyone seemed to be doing a good job, the people already IN the right lane were making room for the people in the left lane and the people in the left lane were going ahead and merging to keep traffic flowing. Then when the left lane was clear ahead to the point of the accident, some *ASSHOLE* in a big black SUV, tinted windows, vanity license plate BUNCO-something or other, pulls out and passes everybody, forces a merge at the last instant before slamming into the stopped fire truck - the rest of the traffic in the right lane has to slam on brakes to avoid a chain collision ... S.O.B. should be shot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Some people in Minnesota go completely retro every Spring. http://www.3speedtour.com/ No lycra allowed! :-) Lycra should never be allowed. Ever. On anyone. Except for that lady a few doors down who never wears lycra. She should be required. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Jersey Drivers
On 5/9/09, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Then when the left lane was clear ahead to the point of the accident, some *ASSHOLE* in a big black SUV, tinted windows, vanity license plate BUNCO-something or other, pulls out and passes everybody, forces a merge at the last instant before slamming into the stopped fire truck - the rest of the traffic in the right lane has to slam on brakes to avoid a chain collision ... I'm sure it wasn't his fault. After all, he's entitled. S.O.B. should be shot. Agreed. Or tied to a bumper and dragged a few miles. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Speaking of Bikes
Thanks Scott. I think most of it is good. I'll have the local bike shop take a look at it. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 5/9/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I ought to start riding a bike. I run five days a week, but my knees and legs are getting too old for that. I have a Nishiki Colorado trail bike hanging in the garage. It's about 25 years old. Needs a fair amount of work. Is it worth fixing? Or should I just spring for something new? Paul Your Nishiki has a very nicely made CroMo frame. If the drive train is in good condition it's definitely worth fixing up. Maybe new tires, tubes, brake pads and perhaps some new cabling. Having this done at a bike shop isn't cheap, but it will still be considerably less expensive than a new bike. If your drive train needs major work, e.g. new bottom bracket, chain rings, cassette, etc., it's going to become a labor of love and you're probably better off just buying something new. I do this sort of thing all the time, but I have the tools for it and a pretty good supply of old bikes coming in. Turning 3 or 4 of them into one decent bike is fun. I doubt I'd do it if I had to buy new parts for everything. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Jersey Drivers
That's bad form to be sure. But everyone could have merged at the point where two lanes became one. That would have left no room for assholes and kept things moving smoothly. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 7:18 PM, John Sessoms wrote: ... and all the argument about when to merge came home yesterday. As I came home from work yesterday, there was a traffic accident in street ahead. Fire truck and several police cars blocking the center left turn lane and the left lane; traffic had to merge right to clear the accident. Everyone seemed to be doing a good job, the people already IN the right lane were making room for the people in the left lane and the people in the left lane were going ahead and merging to keep traffic flowing. Then when the left lane was clear ahead to the point of the accident, some *ASSHOLE* in a big black SUV, tinted windows, vanity license plate BUNCO-something or other, pulls out and passes everybody, forces a merge at the last instant before slamming into the stopped fire truck - the rest of the traffic in the right lane has to slam on brakes to avoid a chain collision ... S.O.B. should be shot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Jersey Drivers
On May 9, 2009, at 16:27 , Scott Loveless wrote: On 5/9/09, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Then when the left lane was clear ahead to the point of the accident, some *ASSHOLE* in a big black SUV, tinted windows, vanity license plate BUNCO-something or other, pulls out and passes everybody, forces a merge at the last instant before slamming into the stopped fire truck - the rest of the traffic in the right lane has to slam on brakes to avoid a chain collision ... I'm sure it wasn't his fault. After all, he's entitled. Right! One of those idiots in the right hand lane probably shot ahead and closed the gap he was aiming for to teach him a lesson. Just as I would have done. S.O.B. should be shot. I believe pilloried at the head of the lane he was speeding down so each of the right hand lane drivers could smack his hands with their rear-views, and run over his toes. Spitting optional. OMG, I'm becoming jco! Sorry... Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: New Jersey Drivers
That would have left no room for assholes Somehow there's always room for more assholes. Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: 10 May 2009 00:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New Jersey Drivers That's bad form to be sure. But everyone could have merged at the point where two lanes became one. That would have left no room for assholes and kept things moving smoothly. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 7:18 PM, John Sessoms wrote: ... and all the argument about when to merge came home yesterday. As I came home from work yesterday, there was a traffic accident in street ahead. Fire truck and several police cars blocking the center left turn lane and the left lane; traffic had to merge right to clear the accident. Everyone seemed to be doing a good job, the people already IN the right lane were making room for the people in the left lane and the people in the left lane were going ahead and merging to keep traffic flowing. Then when the left lane was clear ahead to the point of the accident, some *ASSHOLE* in a big black SUV, tinted windows, vanity license plate BUNCO-something or other, pulls out and passes everybody, forces a merge at the last instant before slamming into the stopped fire truck - the rest of the traffic in the right lane has to slam on brakes to avoid a chain collision ... S.O.B. should be shot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Jersey Drivers
On 5/9/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: That would have left no room for assholes Somehow there's always room for more assholes. MAAARK!!! -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Excellent. Further proof that cycling helmets are only meant for children and Tour de France riders. Found that one guy who didn't get the memo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225419029/in/set-72157612934832373/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [k10d] replicating custom white balance in kelvin + offsets?
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 10:14:51AM -0400, Doug Brewer wrote: G-M means Green - Magenta. The other one is Blue - Amber. When you set manual white balance, you choose a Kelvin value, and then can set both of these two axes between -3 and +3. (The same adjustment grid that you use to tweak the pre-set white balance.) The question is: -3 to +3 *what*? now, see, I had considered that this might have been the case, then tried to over-complicate it. :) I guess the way to figure -3 to +3 what? would be to establish the zero point (what is the Kelvin value of zero in this instance?) then look to see what the Kelvin values are at +1, -1, etc, and the interval would establish what they (Pentax) consider the units. Make sense? Yeah, it makes sense, but for two things. First, the kelvin value displayed doesn't actually change -- the G-M/B-A grid is over to the right of that value and appears completely independent. And that's the second thing: the Kelvin scale measures along a blue-red axis. The green-magenta axis isn't related to that, so it makes sense that the Kelvin values aren't changed by it. But the blue-amber axis, by virtue of including blue, seems like it must have a complicated relationship with the Kelvin number. And I guess that's the third thing: it's hard to measure the actual impact of changes here. I suppose the test is to shoot a gray card with the custom white balance set to the card itself, and then see what divergence I get by changing the scale on *that* screen around. But even then, that's only part of the puzzle, and it seems like it should be the *harder* part, when I haven't even solved the easier part. Namely, once one has set the white balance with the gray card, there's no way to get a display of what Kelvin value that represents -- let alone the other offsets. I could buy an expensive color meter, of course, but that seems really weird to have to do when the camera clearly has one _built in_. Why can't it just display its readings? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [k10d] replicating custom white balance in kelvin + offsets?
When I have to do a custom white balance, which of course is only when shooting jpegs, I just use the grey card or a white card for that matter. If I don't like the results, I use the -3 +3 adjustments. It doesn't really mater what the Kelvin temp might be if the shots look good. The only time I shoot jpegs is for virtual tours. But many of these involve complex lighting: windows, tungsten, sometimes even some fluorescent. But the data is irrelevant. Only the results matter. Paul On May 9, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 10:14:51AM -0400, Doug Brewer wrote: G-M means Green - Magenta. The other one is Blue - Amber. When you set manual white balance, you choose a Kelvin value, and then can set both of these two axes between -3 and +3. (The same adjustment grid that you use to tweak the pre-set white balance.) The question is: -3 to +3 *what*? now, see, I had considered that this might have been the case, then tried to over-complicate it. :) I guess the way to figure -3 to +3 what? would be to establish the zero point (what is the Kelvin value of zero in this instance?) then look to see what the Kelvin values are at +1, -1, etc, and the interval would establish what they (Pentax) consider the units. Make sense? Yeah, it makes sense, but for two things. First, the kelvin value displayed doesn't actually change -- the G-M/B-A grid is over to the right of that value and appears completely independent. And that's the second thing: the Kelvin scale measures along a blue-red axis. The green-magenta axis isn't related to that, so it makes sense that the Kelvin values aren't changed by it. But the blue-amber axis, by virtue of including blue, seems like it must have a complicated relationship with the Kelvin number. And I guess that's the third thing: it's hard to measure the actual impact of changes here. I suppose the test is to shoot a gray card with the custom white balance set to the card itself, and then see what divergence I get by changing the scale on *that* screen around. But even then, that's only part of the puzzle, and it seems like it should be the *harder* part, when I haven't even solved the easier part. Namely, once one has set the white balance with the gray card, there's no way to get a display of what Kelvin value that represents -- let alone the other offsets. I could buy an expensive color meter, of course, but that seems really weird to have to do when the camera clearly has one _built in_. Why can't it just display its readings? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
My order is in
After considering all the alternatives, I ordered the DA* 60-250 when BH opened tonight. One important factor is that it leaves only a small gap of non-coverage when teamed with the DA* 16-50. An 80-200 leaves a much larger gap. I was also influenced by the test shots I've seen. The performance appears to be extremely good. So in a few days I can see for myself. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I reskinned my MX
I remember them well, Cesar. Now I know they feel as good as they look. Am definitely going to work on getting a patina on mine D Cesar Matamoros II wrote: Great job Derby. It is like one of my reskinned LXen. I should take a picture of how it looks now with its 'patina'. But for now I can point you to: http://cesar_abdul.home.mindspring.com/LX_skin.html for a trip back to 2002. Cesar Panama City, Florida Derby Chang wrote: http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_newskin/index.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESOs - Blissful, Green Void
Two little PESOs to finish off the week... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_greenvoid/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_blissful/01.htm A comment about the new-to-me DA14mm that I haven't read on the interwebs...what a nice focus mechanism. Not quite the buttery feel of ye olde manual focus lenses, but so nicely damped, it almost could be. Well done, Pentax dudes. -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Galia PESO #017
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! This time I decided that I could post a PESO of exclusively Galia's shots. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-017.html For those who hadn't seen my face yet, there is one there... Be brutal and honest. Comments about my beard will be disregarded ;-). I am too lazy to shave. Boris She's going to thank you in years to come for encouraging her, Boris. Nice. I shoot, I don't test either. But for the common good, those DA tests are coming up. I'd have them now, but the Noritsu at my local has gone kaput, so they have to send out the film while they source a new machine. There are some surprises in there I think (to me at least). -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
