date:20091215

> 
> If ya have to ask, ya don't know...
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yctvg4l
> 
> 
> ye olde photo taken with 400mm pentax lens on my trusty LX 
> back in .. 1984
> 
> Think I have the nature calendar set...  
> 
> commerants ...mmm I mean...  comments, welcome
> 
> 
> ann
> http://annsan.smugmug.com
> 

That's a fantastic calendar Ann - it should sell really well.

Bob


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RE: PESO - Protesters

> 
>  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html
> 
> >>>
> >>> love the leather shoes :-) (duck, cover, 
> flame-retardant suit: 
> >>> ON!)
> >>
> >> Yes well, activism is only romantic until your personal comfort is 
> >> compromised.
> >> PETA is the biggest bunch of hypocritical wankers the 
> world has seen.
> >>
> > Can't argue with that. However, I belong to an organization with a 
> > similar name and related but distinctively different goals. It's 
> > called MEATA, which is an acronym for Men Eating All The Animals:-) 
> > Paul
> There's a place in the world for all of God's creatures, 
> right next to the mashed potatoes.

The same lame and predictable jokes every time this subject comes up. Come
on, guys, make an effort and think of something new and equally dumb to
substitute for careful thought.

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RE: PESO - Protesters

> > 
> > What species are PETA advocating the extinction of?  I 
> looked at their
> > website and didn't see anything about that.
> 
> Link:
> http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm
> 
> William Robb

As usual it is always useful to look at who is disseminating this kind of
information. In this case it is a front organisation for the alcohol,
tobacco and 'restaurant' (read McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's etc)
industry. This means, of course, that the information they provide is not
necessarily the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It's
propaganda (like the information that PETA puts out) and you would be wise
not to take it at face value.

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RE: Photographer arrested at mall

> 
> >Ouch...
> >
> >http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
> >  
> >
> wow thats creepy
> 
> ann
> 

People are getting stupidly paranoid



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Re: Back on faculty

2009-12-15 Thread John Francis

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:48:20AM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> Congratulations, Mark, on your new job. Boston is a cool city :-)

If not downright cold (especially at this time of year ...)

I miss New England in the fall.  Winter, though, you can keep.


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Re: Back on faculty

2009-12-15 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Dec 15, 2009, at 17:51 , Mark Roberts wrote:


OK, after moving to Boston and spending several months looking for a
job... I finally got one. I'll be teaching at Laselle College in
Newton (6 miles from where we now live) starting next semester.

When we first moved here, everyone said that there are so many
colleges in Boston that I'd have an easy time getting a job. What they
failed to take into account is the number of people who come here with
the same idea: The competition for academic jobs is pretty intense.
What I've got is only an adjunct position. But it's a start.

I'll be teaching a Photoshop course and a "Digital Design" course
(Photoshop, Illustrator and In-Design).

Now I have syllabi to prepare!


Congratulations, Mark. Not a bad college to be working for. Been  
around forever.


And right next door to Wellesley, were I grew up  (well, got old  
enough to leave home)!


If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Dec 15, 2009, at 15:23 , frank theriault wrote:


Seriously, when I went vegan, a vegan acquaintance of mine asked, "So
when are you having your leather-disposal party?"  She got quite upset
when I told her that I wasn't having one.

My attitude is that having already bought leather products, it would
be wasteful to dispose of them before they're worn out, to buy
replacement items derived from non-animal sources.  As my leather
items wear out, their replacements will be made from cruelty-free
resources.

I think that's responsible, and so do many other vegans and
animal-welfare advocates.



You realize, don't you, if we all went vegan to "save the animals",  
there would not be enough flora food on the earth to feed us, and we'd  
go back to killing animals for food, if they hadn't already all been  
killed to turn their grazing land into farmland.


:-)


(undocumented supposition)


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The Big Bang was silent, and probably invisible.
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Re: Back on faculty

2009-12-15 Thread Scott Loveless

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:35 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> OK, after moving to Boston and spending several months looking for a
>> job... I finally got one. I'll be teaching at Laselle College in
>> Newton (6 miles from where we now live) starting next semester.

Yay!

> Congrats on the new position, Mark.  Six miles is too close to ride
> your bike - you won't even work up a sweat - better run to work.

Or get a fixie.  You'll like it now that you don't have to deal with
Pittsburgh's particular brand of topography.  The Raleigh One-Way has
a nice geometry that is particularly suited for a porteur rack.  And a
porteur rack is particularly suited for carrying your laptop, camera
and lunch for, oh, about 6 miles.  :)

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Re: Photographer arrested at mall




Igor Roshchin wrote:


Ouch...

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
 


wow thats creepy

ann



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Re: Back on faculty

2009-12-15 Thread Boris Liberman

:-)

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:35 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> Syllabi?  Syllabuses?
>
> Spellcheck likes the latter, but I'm with you.  Syllabi sounds ever so
> much more educated.
>
> ;-)

I thought that syllabi were supposed to be sang, not prepared...

Congratulations, Mark, on your new job. Boston is a cool city :-)
(speaking from short first-hand experience)...

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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread David Mann

On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:49 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> If true [...]

It's on the internet, it must be true.

Dave

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Photographer arrested at mall

2009-12-15 Thread Igor Roshchin


Ouch...

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794


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double-sided inkjet media recommendations?

2009-12-15 Thread David Bliss

Hi All,

Can anybody recommend some good double-sided media that comes in a 16" or
17" roll, for use with my Epson 4880?  I normally love Epson's PLPP260
and I'm not a fan of matte papers normally, so any luster/semi media
recommendations would be particularly welcome, but I'm not sure any exist,
so I'm happy to have advice on matte too.

B&H only carries Moab Kayenta -- any experiences with that?

(I'm going to be printing some calendars, so I need something that will
fold/score well, too...)

thanks!
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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread P. J. Alling


frank theriault wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:43 PM, William Robb  wrote:

  

Link:
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm



I did not know that.

If true, that would make PETA hypocritical scumbags, wouldn't it?

Thanks for the info, Bill.  I really appreciate it.

cheers,
frank
  

Actually not all are hypocritical sucmbags, some are unknowing dupes...



  



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Re: OT: Know when to get out of the way... (cool pictures)




frank theriault wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:

...although he ended up with some great shots, he could also just as easily 
ended up dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234929/Cheating-death-The-moment-British-photographer-narrowly-escapes-crushed-runaway-drag-race-car.html


Now ~that's~ dedication!  Or stupidity.


Or he was too scared to move.


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Re: GESO - Dancing

Rick Womer wrote:
My daughter has developed an interest in competitive ballroom dancing. This is interesting: my complete klutziness is clearly a recessive trait.

Speaking of genetics, judging by your daughter your wife must be
stunningly beautiful.

The studio she and her dance partner have been using put on a show Sunday.
Shooting dancing is hard! The light isn't too good, motion is fast and all
over the place, and if one's timing is off one can make the most graceful
people look like clods.

It is indeed a challenge. You did a very credible job of it.

Fortunately Ellen and her partner performed about three-quarters of the way
through the afternoon, so I had some time to practice and sort out technique.
They performed a very intricate waltz, which her partner had choreographed.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=946280

(K10D, DA 50-200; fixed manual exposure of f/4.5 @ 1/45, ISO 1100. Used a
one-stop gradient filter in LR to lighten the top 1/3 or so of most of the
shots).

I suspect that you're beginning to gain an appreciation of my
fascination for fast glass. If you can shoot them practicing sometime,
you might want to try a 50/1.4. Even an old supertak on an adapter can
do a very credible job, and if you're shooting wide open the lack of
auto stop down is no issue. If you need to crop, just think of it as
trading resolution for speed (f/1.4) and depth of field (since you
aren't zooming).

My one quibble with this set is that it looks like the color balance is
a touch off.

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Re: GESO - Dancing

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> My daughter has developed an interest in competitive ballroom dancing.  This 
> is interesting: my complete klutziness is clearly a recessive trait.
>
> The studio she and her dance partner have been using put on a show Sunday.  
> Shooting dancing is hard!  The light isn't too good, motion is fast and all 
> over the place, and if one's timing is off one can make the most graceful 
> people look like clods.
>
> Fortunately Ellen and her partner performed about three-quarters of the way 
> through the afternoon, so I had some time to practice and sort out technique. 
>  They performed a very intricate waltz, which her partner had choreographed.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=946280
>
> (K10D, DA 50-200; fixed manual exposure of f/4.5 @ 1/45, ISO 1100.  Used a 
> one-stop gradient filter in LR to lighten the top 1/3 or so of most of the 
> shots).
>

Very nice set, Rick!

I especially like this one:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10351076

They seemed to have "a moment" - almost as if they were alone in front
of the crowd - and I really like seeing the onlookers' reflected in
the mirror.

Brilliantly composed and framed.

cheers,
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GESO - Dancing

2009-12-15 Thread Rick Womer

My daughter has developed an interest in competitive ballroom dancing.  This is 
interesting: my complete klutziness is clearly a recessive trait.  

The studio she and her dance partner have been using put on a show Sunday.  
Shooting dancing is hard!  The light isn't too good, motion is fast and all 
over the place, and if one's timing is off one can make the most graceful 
people look like clods.

Fortunately Ellen and her partner performed about three-quarters of the way 
through the afternoon, so I had some time to practice and sort out technique.  
They performed a very intricate waltz, which her partner had choreographed.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=946280

(K10D, DA 50-200; fixed manual exposure of f/4.5 @ 1/45, ISO 1100.  Used a 
one-stop gradient filter in LR to lighten the top 1/3 or so of most of the 
shots).

Rick



  


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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:57 PM, William Robb  wrote:

> I like to believe it's true because I happen to like eating a nice steak,
> and sharing the fatty bits with my pet dog, and anyone who gets in the way
> of that is the enemy.

Whether PETA are a bunch of hypocritical scumbags has nothing to do
with whether it's ethical to eat meat.  Whether the consumption of
animal flesh is right or wrong has nothing to do with PETA, just as
(for instance) the issue of whether God exists has nothing to do with
organized religion.

That being said, my veganism is a personal choice and I don't judge
others for their dietary choices.  Enjoy your steak, Bill!  ;-)

Speaking about feeding your pet dog, I was at a vegetarian festival
(it was about as much fun as it sounds) a couple of years ago and
someone was actually selling vegan cat and dog food.  Now ~that's~
wrong - talk about going against nature!

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Protesters

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"

Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters

Link:
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm

I did not know that.

If true, that would make PETA hypocritical scumbags, wouldn't it?

I think it would, but this is not to imply that I (or you) are calling them 
hypocritical scumbags, only that it would be our shared opinion, if in fact 
it is true.

Thanks for the info, Bill.  I really appreciate it.

My goal is to better serve humanity...

Please note, I haven't checked to make sure that web page represents the 
truth, though given how long it has been up, i suspect if it was a lie, PETA 
would have forced a takedown.
I like to believe it's true because I happen to like eating a nice steak, 
and sharing the fatty bits with my pet dog, and anyone who gets in the way 
of that is the enemy.

William Robb

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Re: PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies

2009-12-15 Thread Ken Waller

Very well seen & captured.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies

Dont know why - but my tiny url picked up that whole gallery suddenly... 
hmmm..

maybe because I moved pics around...

here is the one to Just the Cormies and Herons

http://tinyurl.com/ydggz99

(i hope) well here is the long link

Thanks for kudos Paul, Mark

ann

Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:

If ya have to ask, ya don't know...

http://tinyurl.com/yctvg4l

ye olde photo taken with 400mm pentax lens on my trusty LX back in .. 
1984

Think I have the nature calendar set...
commerants ...mmm I mean...  comments, welcome

Cormorant WIN!
. 

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Re: From: John Francis

2009-12-15 Thread Rick Womer

If you're adjusting the finder lens (diopter), don't use an image through the 
lens on the camera.  Use instead the lines on the focusing screen.  There may 
be a considerable difference.

Modern focusing screens transmit more light directly than the ground-glass 
screens of yore, for the sake of a brighter image--but less accurate manual 
focusing.

Rick

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> From: Boris Liberman 
> Subject: Re: From: John Francis
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 1:30 PM
> On 12/15/2009 8:11 PM, John Francis
> wrote:
> > Well, in the world where the laws of physics and
> optics apply, that
> > is nothing to do with the diopter.  If there is a
> sharp image on the
> > focussing screen, but not at the same point as on the
> film/sensor plane,
> > that's caused by a problem with the placement of the
> focussing screen.
> > 
> > All the diopter does is to make it easier for your
> eyes to focus on the
> > image on the viewfinder screen.  A poorly
> adjusted diopter can make it
> > impossible for you to see *anything* in focus, but it
> can't make part
> > of the image on the focussing screen appear sharper
> than it really is.
> 
> Since my eyesight slowly but surely deteriorates I suppose
> it would make no harm for me to take a sharp lens, say FA 43
> or FA 77 and auto-focus it on something easy, say, a target
> recommended by Larry. Then I will see if my diopter is set
> properly.
> 
> Boris
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Re: OT: Know when to get out of the way... (cool pictures)

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> ...although he ended up with some great shots, he could also just as easily 
> ended up dead.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234929/Cheating-death-The-moment-British-photographer-narrowly-escapes-crushed-runaway-drag-race-car.html

Now ~that's~ dedication!  Or stupidity.

Or both.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:43 PM, William Robb  wrote:

> Link:
> http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm

I did not know that.

If true, that would make PETA hypocritical scumbags, wouldn't it?

Thanks for the info, Bill.  I really appreciate it.

cheers,
frank

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Re: GESO 2009 - 199-206 - GDG




frank theriault wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

I capture what I try to see,
sometimes it captures me.

Slideshow:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157623009332080/show/

Set:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157623009332080/

comments and critique always appreciated. thanks for looking!


I quite like the ones with the brightly colored leaves.



I love this series, Godfrey!


Yes, I agree.



I especially like Reach - reminds me of a Japanese painting.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Protesters



- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters






What species are PETA advocating the extinction of?  I looked at their
website and didn't see anything about that.


Link:
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm

William Robb

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Re: PESO - Protesters

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"

Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:56 PM, William Robb  wrote:

Consider that they are, as a group, both advocating treating animals
"ethically" (whatever that means), but at the same time are advocating 
the

extinction of many, many species of animals.
This is not the most stable of temperments.

This is really getting off topic now, and I know I really shouldn't
ask, but I can't resist:

What species are PETA advocating the extinction of?  I looked at their
website and didn't see anything about that.

Since they don't want us to eat meat, keep pets (PETA is, according to the 
web page inked below, one of the biggest pet animal euthanizers in the USA), 
or wear furs, if we follow their edicts, there won't be any point in keeping 
domestic meat animals, pet animals or fur farm animals in existence.
Since domestic animals can't really exist in the wild, their species' would 
dead end.
Goodbye dogs and cats, sayonara, you old cow, time for Miss Piggy's final 
curtain call.

William Robb

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Re: GESO 2009 - 199-206 - GDG

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I capture what I try to see,
> sometimes it captures me.
>
> Slideshow:
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157623009332080/show/
>
> Set:
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157623009332080/
>
> comments and critique always appreciated. thanks for looking!

I love this series, Godfrey!

I especially like Reach - reminds me of a Japanese painting.

cheers,
frank


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Re: PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> I absolutely agree with Paul.. VERY nice work!

I agree with Jack and Paul.  That's one beautiful calendar!

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Re: PESO: Grossmünster-2

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Subash  wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:17:55 -0800 (PST)
> Jack Davis  wrote:
>
>> While clean and simple, it feels sort of empty. I'd crop the sky
>> quite a bit and the water some. Should allow the elements to present
>> themselves a little more effectively. Love the canoe.
>
> Jack, i have made a (rather heavy) crop of the original keeping your
> suggestion in mind.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5415458892034949586
>
> do tell me what you think.

I like the first one better.

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Re: Back on faculty

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> OK, after moving to Boston and spending several months looking for a
> job... I finally got one. I'll be teaching at Laselle College in
> Newton (6 miles from where we now live) starting next semester.
>
> When we first moved here, everyone said that there are so many
> colleges in Boston that I'd have an easy time getting a job. What they
> failed to take into account is the number of people who come here with
> the same idea: The competition for academic jobs is pretty intense.
> What I've got is only an adjunct position. But it's a start.
>
> I'll be teaching a Photoshop course and a "Digital Design" course
> (Photoshop, Illustrator and In-Design).
>
> Now I have syllabi to prepare!

Syllabi?  Syllabuses?

Spellcheck likes the latter, but I'm with you.  Syllabi sounds ever so
much more educated.

;-)

Congrats on the new position, Mark.  Six miles is too close to ride
your bike - you won't even work up a sweat - better run to work.

Seriously, that's great news!

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Re: PESO: self-propelled

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:22 PM, paul stenquist
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> DA* 16-50/2.8, k7D, f4, 1/15th, ISO 800, 50mm. A bit of motion blur here, but 
> I like the pic:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10356032

Reminds me of Beany of the Beany and Cecil Show.  Anyone here remember that?

When I was like 6 years old I wanted an official Beany with a
propeller on it ~s~ bad, but we couldn't get them in Canada.  I
was so bummed.

;-)

Another cute pic of Grace.  The motion blur doesn't hide the beautiful
smile, so I can live with it.

;-)

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PESO - Precious Cargo

PETT (People for the Ethical Treatment of Trees) are going to be all
over my ass for this one, but I like it anyway.  You know, for its
artistic value, not for it's glorification of tree murderers:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/precious-cargo.html

;-)

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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:56 PM, William Robb  wrote:

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> Consider that they are, as a group, both advocating treating animals
> "ethically" (whatever that means), but at the same time are advocating the
> extinction of many, many species of animals.
> This is not the most stable of temperments.

This is really getting off topic now, and I know I really shouldn't
ask, but I can't resist:

What species are PETA advocating the extinction of?  I looked at their
website and didn't see anything about that.

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Re: PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies

2009-12-15 Thread Jack Davis

I absolutely agree with Paul.. VERY nice work!

Jack

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> Subject: Re: PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies
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> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:47 PM
> Excellent shot. 
> Paul
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> 
> > If ya have to ask, ya don't know...
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/yctvg4l
> > 
> > 
> > ye olde photo taken with 400mm pentax lens on my
> trusty LX back in .. 1984
> > 
> > Think I have the nature calendar set...  
> > commerants ...mmm I mean...  comments, welcome
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Re: PESO - Protesters

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin"

Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters

I've found many of the PETA people to be among the wackiest I've ever met, 
in /any/ environment, for or against /any/ cause.

Consider that they are, as a group, both advocating treating animals 
"ethically" (whatever that means), but at the same time are advocating the 
extinction of many, many species of animals.

This is not the most stable of temperments.

William Robb 

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Re: Back on faculty

2009-12-15 Thread Doug Brewer


Mark Roberts wrote:

OK, after moving to Boston and spending several months looking for a
job... I finally got one. I'll be teaching at Laselle College in
Newton (6 miles from where we now live) starting next semester.

When we first moved here, everyone said that there are so many
colleges in Boston that I'd have an easy time getting a job. What they
failed to take into account is the number of people who come here with
the same idea: The competition for academic jobs is pretty intense.
What I've got is only an adjunct position. But it's a start.

I'll be teaching a Photoshop course and a "Digital Design" course
(Photoshop, Illustrator and In-Design). 


Now I have syllabi to prepare!


are you finished with my copy of Photoshop for Dummies?

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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2009-12-15 19:08, Mark Roberts wrote:

Doug Franklin wrote:


You won't last long in any community of fanatics doing crazy stuff like
trying to apply common sense and reasoning to the matter closest to
their hearts. :-)


Are you talking about vegans or photographers?
;-)


Either.  Both.  Among others.  Any community of fanatics, of whatever 
stripe.  It may reflect my "upbringing" more than anything else, but 
I've found many of the PETA people to be among the wackiest I've ever 
met, in /any/ environment, for or against /any/ cause.


However, cephalopods "using tools" (in the strict, biology research 
sense) is a pretty amazing thing, witnessed only recently for the first 
time and reported this week.


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Re: PESO - Protesters


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> - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - 
> Protesters
> 
> 
>> 
>> There's a place in the world for all of God's creatures, right next to the 
>> mashed potatoes.
> 
> Except cat.
> 
Correct. The cat goes next to the shrimp fried rice.
Paul

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From: "P. J. Alling" 
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There's a place in the world for all of God's creatures, right next to 
the mashed potatoes.


Except cat.

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PESO: self-propelled

DA* 16-50/2.8, k7D, f4, 1/15th, ISO 800, 50mm. A bit of motion blur here, but I 
like the pic:
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Re: PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies

Dont know why - but my tiny url picked up that whole gallery suddenly... 
hmmm..

maybe because I moved pics around...

here is the one to Just the Cormies and Herons

http://tinyurl.com/ydggz99

(i hope) well here is the long link



Thanks for kudos Paul, Mark

ann


Mark Roberts wrote:


ann sanfedele wrote:

 


If ya have to ask, ya don't know...

http://tinyurl.com/yctvg4l


ye olde photo taken with 400mm pentax lens on my trusty LX back in .. 1984

Think I have the nature calendar set...  


commerants ...mmm I mean...  comments, welcome
   



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Re: Back on faculty

2009-12-15 Thread Bob Sullivan

Good start Mark.  You have some unique talents and they should lead to
some unique opportunities.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> OK, after moving to Boston and spending several months looking for a
> job... I finally got one. I'll be teaching at Laselle College in
> Newton (6 miles from where we now live) starting next semester.
>
> When we first moved here, everyone said that there are so many
> colleges in Boston that I'd have an easy time getting a job. What they
> failed to take into account is the number of people who come here with
> the same idea: The competition for academic jobs is pretty intense.
> What I've got is only an adjunct position. But it's a start.
>
> I'll be teaching a Photoshop course and a "Digital Design" course
> (Photoshop, Illustrator and In-Design).
>
> Now I have syllabi to prepare!
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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread P. J. Alling


P N Stenquist wrote:


On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:53 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Christian"
Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters



frank theriault wrote:



http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html



love the leather shoes :-) (duck, cover, flame-retardant suit: ON!)


Yes well, activism is only romantic until your personal comfort is 
compromised.

PETA is the biggest bunch of hypocritical wankers the world has seen.

Can't argue with that. However, I belong to an organization with a 
similar name and related but distinctively different goals. It's 
called MEATA, which is an acronym for Men Eating All The Animals:-)

Paul
There's a place in the world for all of God's creatures, right next to 
the mashed potatoes.



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Re: Film Réalité

2009-12-15 Thread P. J. Alling


What? No Zipper?

Walter Hamler wrote:

Paul, here's one just for you!  The surgeon will be happy :-)

Walt

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/Other/ByPass/10656889_xitJf#741624618_VGWZd-L-LB
  



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Re: Back on faculty

Congratulations! Sounds like fun.
Paul
On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> OK, after moving to Boston and spending several months looking for a
> job... I finally got one. I'll be teaching at Laselle College in
> Newton (6 miles from where we now live) starting next semester.
> 
> When we first moved here, everyone said that there are so many
> colleges in Boston that I'd have an easy time getting a job. What they
> failed to take into account is the number of people who come here with
> the same idea: The competition for academic jobs is pretty intense.
> What I've got is only an adjunct position. But it's a start.
> 
> I'll be teaching a Photoshop course and a "Digital Design" course
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> 
> Now I have syllabi to prepare!
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Back on faculty

OK, after moving to Boston and spending several months looking for a
job... I finally got one. I'll be teaching at Laselle College in
Newton (6 miles from where we now live) starting next semester.

When we first moved here, everyone said that there are so many
colleges in Boston that I'd have an easy time getting a job. What they
failed to take into account is the number of people who come here with
the same idea: The competition for academic jobs is pretty intense.
What I've got is only an adjunct position. But it's a start.

I'll be teaching a Photoshop course and a "Digital Design" course
(Photoshop, Illustrator and In-Design). 

Now I have syllabi to prepare!


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Re: Grossmünster-2

2009-12-15 Thread Subash

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:08:14 -0500
"Ken Waller"  wrote:

> Much improved.

Ken, Paul and Dave, thanks for looking. appreciate it..

regards, subash

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Re: PESO: Grossmünster-2

2009-12-15 Thread Subash

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:03:41 -0800
Larry Colen  wrote:

> 
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > I do like this better. My crop suggestion was vague, but I was  
> > thinking of considerably less crop to the bottom. Doing so would  
> > allow more wake to show and restore it to a vertical frame. Also,  
> > while I'm sure it would be of no consequence to many, doing so
> > would take the horizon out of the center.
> 
> I didn't comment earlier because pretty much everything I was going
> to say had been said.  I love the first shot, but my gut feels that
> it is cropped wrong.
> 
> I think that I agree with Jack, to crop the sky, probably between
> the tops of the towers near the little wisp of cloud at 2 O'Clock,
> just above and to the right of the towers. That'll move horizon up to
> the 2/3 part of the frame.   The water is interesting, there's a lot
> going on in it. The dark bit at that bottom also sort of frames the
> picture.

thanks for looking and commenting Larry. based on Jack's views am
working on a different crop. I too had a feeling the water was
interesting, not 'empty'. :) 

regards, subash

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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:


> Are you talking about vegans or photographers?

I figured he was talking about vegan photographers...

;-)

cheers,
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GESO 2009 - 199-206 - GDG

2009-12-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


I capture what I try to see,
sometimes it captures me.

Slideshow:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157623009332080/show/

Set:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157623009332080/

comments and critique always appreciated. thanks for looking!

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Re: PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies

Excellent shot. 
Paul
On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> If ya have to ask, ya don't know...
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yctvg4l
> 
> 
> ye olde photo taken with 400mm pentax lens on my trusty LX back in .. 1984
> 
> Think I have the nature calendar set...  
> commerants ...mmm I mean...  comments, welcome
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ann sanfedele wrote:

>If ya have to ask, ya don't know...
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yctvg4l
>
>
>ye olde photo taken with 400mm pentax lens on my trusty LX back in .. 1984
>
>Think I have the nature calendar set...  
>
>commerants ...mmm I mean...  comments, welcome

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Re: PESO - Protesters

Doug Franklin wrote:

>On 2009-12-15 18:23, frank theriault wrote:
>
>> I think that's responsible [...]
>
>You won't last long in any community of fanatics doing crazy stuff like 
>trying to apply common sense and reasoning to the matter closest to 
>their hearts. :-)

Are you talking about vegans or photographers?
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Re: Testing the sigma 20/1.8 a few galleries of test snapshots



On Dec 15, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


On 12/15/09 4:29 PM, Carlos R wrote:


you must be sure you
disengage AF by using both the camera AF/MF switch and also by  
pushing

the focusing ring on the lens towards the camera body, as,
unfortunately, these Sigma lenses can't deactivate the AF motor in  
the

camera body only by using the lens clutch, like genuine Pentax FA*
lenses do (FA* 24 mm. 2.0, FA* 300 mm. 4.5, FA* 80-200 mm. 2.8 and  
some

others).


I'll second that. Both the Sigma EX lenses I've owned worked this  
way: You need to switch off AF on the camera body and pull the lens  
focus ring toward you. Works very well then. Not as convenient as  
the Pentax FA* lenses, but then again, they're about half the price  
of equivalent Pentax FA* glass :)


I've got no problems with the functionality.  It seemed odd,  
especially since the AF/M ring on my bigma disengages the drive gear.


It's just got a horribly lumpy feel in manual focus.  They said it'll  
take 3-4 weeks for them to repair it, so I'll send it in after the  
holidays.  I've got too much need of it right now.



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On 12/15/09 4:29 PM, Carlos R wrote:


you must be sure you
disengage AF by using both the camera AF/MF switch and also by pushing
the focusing ring on the lens towards the camera body, as,
unfortunately, these Sigma lenses can't deactivate the AF motor in the
camera body only by using the lens clutch, like genuine Pentax FA*
lenses do (FA* 24 mm. 2.0, FA* 300 mm. 4.5, FA* 80-200 mm. 2.8 and some
others).


I'll second that. Both the Sigma EX lenses I've owned worked this way: 
You need to switch off AF on the camera body and pull the lens focus 
ring toward you. Works very well then. Not as convenient as the Pentax 
FA* lenses, but then again, they're about half the price of equivalent 
Pentax FA* glass :)



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PESO - a couple of "our" favorite birdies


If ya have to ask, ya don't know...

http://tinyurl.com/yctvg4l


ye olde photo taken with 400mm pentax lens on my trusty LX back in .. 1984

Think I have the nature calendar set...  


commerants ...mmm I mean...  comments, welcome


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Santa Cruz photo outing Sunday 27 December

A friend is visiting between boxing day and new years eve. She wants  
to do some group photo outings.


The first one planned will be Sunday 27 December, we'll meet at my  
house and head out from there.  I'm not sure of all of the details,  
like what time we'll start or where, specifically we'll go, but there  
is a lot to photograph in the area:


Bonny Doon Beach
Panther beach
various vinyards (which also do wine tasting)
Roaring camp rail road (especially the service yard)
covered bridge
Fall creek lime kilns
There are various roads with lots of cool little photo opportunities  
around

Boomer's castle

Send me a note if you're interested.  I can easily set up my van to  
carry 8, and with a bit more work, 12.


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Re: OT: TechnoJeep

2009-12-15 Thread Scott Loveless

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Chris Mitchell
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> >From the same source as the balancing cat. Specially for Sandra...
>
> http://www.wimp.com/technojeep/

I think we just located Paul's stolen Jeep.

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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2009-12-15 18:23, frank theriault wrote:


I think that's responsible [...]


You won't last long in any community of fanatics doing crazy stuff like 
trying to apply common sense and reasoning to the matter closest to 
their hearts. :-)


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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread Scott Loveless

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, frank theriault
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>
> My attitude is that having already bought leather products, it would
> be wasteful to dispose of them before they're worn out, to buy
> replacement items derived from non-animal sources.  As my leather
> items wear out, their replacements will be made from cruelty-free
> resources.
>
> I think that's responsible, and so do many other vegans and
> animal-welfare advocates.

A good friend of mine is a vegan, and she works in a restaurant.  She
has one pair of leather shoes to wear to work because she says
everything else she's tried just didn't hold up.  She also eats honey,
which probably means she's going straight to vegan hell.

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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2009-12-15 11:44, John Sessoms wrote:


PETA is the biggest bunch of hypocritical wankers the world has seen.



They're not the BIGGEST.


In the US, it'd have to be the government that gets credit as the 
"biggest bunch of hypocritical wankers the world has seen".  At least 
until the next election, when we replace them with an even bigger bunch 
of more hypocritical, more nearly perfect wankers.


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Re: PESO - awwwwww

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Cute and clever!

Agreed!

What's a KKL?

cheers,
frank


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RE: Know when to get out of the way... (cool pictures)

2009-12-15 Thread John Coyle

Very cool photog!  Way back in the 1960's, then Daily Express photographer
and 'Amateur Photographer' columnist Vic Blackman was in the same situation
at a Mini rally, but did actually get hit by an out-of-control car which
came at him from behind.  Fortunately he was not seriously hurt and lived to
tell the tale.  Pictures (by another photographer) were published in AP of
the car rolling over him.

John in Brisbane

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Subject: OT: Know when to get out of the way... (cool pictures)

...although he ended up with some great shots, he could also just as easily
ended up dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234929/Cheating-death-The-moment-Br
itish-photographer-narrowly-escapes-crushed-runaway-drag-race-car.html

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Re: Film Réalité

2009/12/15 Walter Hamler :
> Paul, here's one just for you!  The surgeon will be happy :-)
>
> Walt
>
> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/Other/ByPass/10656889_xitJf#741624618_VGWZd-L-LB

With an Oly, Walt?

Tsk, tsk...

(yes, I know, hypocritical coming from Leica-boy)

;-)

Seriously, that's one major-league scar there!  Good to see you up and
about, though!

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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Is that bacon i see in that box.:-)
>
> Nice shot Frank, did they pose for you.

I asked them if I could take their pic and they agreed.  I don't know
if they "posed";  the way they're standing in the pic is the way they
were standing when I first saw them.

I know one of them has her eyes closed, but somehow I think that adds
to the photo (I'm sure not everyone agrees).  It was the last frame on
the roll, otherwise I'd have taken a couple - as it turned out that
was a one-shot deal.  And of course, I couldn't chimp to see if it
looked okay!  (I don't think that I mentioned in the post that it was
taken with the Leica CL/40mm Summicron C/TriX)

;-)

Thanks for looking and thanks for commenting, and thanks to everyone
else who looked and commented.

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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Christian  wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html
>>
>
> love the leather shoes :-) (duck, cover, flame-retardant suit: ON!)

Maybe they're "pleather"?

Seriously, when I went vegan, a vegan acquaintance of mine asked, "So
when are you having your leather-disposal party?"  She got quite upset
when I told her that I wasn't having one.

My attitude is that having already bought leather products, it would
be wasteful to dispose of them before they're worn out, to buy
replacement items derived from non-animal sources.  As my leather
items wear out, their replacements will be made from cruelty-free
resources.

I think that's responsible, and so do many other vegans and
animal-welfare advocates.

cheers,
frank

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Re: OT - Human Cat Perch

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, P. J. Alling
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> Cats are evil.

Yes, yes they are, We have 3;-)

dave
>
> Cotty wrote:
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> 
>>
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>>
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Re: OT - Human Cat Perch

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:55 +, "Cotty"  wrote:
>> LOL
>>
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> Don't all cats do that?

One out of three in our house do something like that.

Lucy, the three year old, pretty much lives on my shoulder. Had been
known to jump on me from her favorite sleeping spot.

Dave
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Re: Film Réalité

2009-12-15 Thread P N Stenquist



On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:44 PM, David J Brooks wrote:


Were you Reverend Jim on Taxi.??


Probably. Can't recall.
Paul


Dave

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:15 PM, P N Stenquist > wrote:

Reality is frightening:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10349812

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Re: PESO: Grossmünster-2

I think i prefer the orientation of the first shot, with a bit less
sky, as previously mentioned.
Love the rich blues i see

Dave

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Subash  wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:17:55 -0800 (PST)
> Jack Davis  wrote:
>
>> While clean and simple, it feels sort of empty. I'd crop the sky
>> quite a bit and the water some. Should allow the elements to present
>> themselves a little more effectively. Love the canoe.
>
> Jack, i have made a (rather heavy) crop of the original keeping your
> suggestion in mind.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5415458892034949586
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> do tell me what you think.
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Re: Film Réalité

Were you Reverend Jim on Taxi.??

Dave

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Re: Testing the sigma 20/1.8 a few galleries of test snapshots

2009-12-15 Thread Carlos R




Larry Colen escribió:



Because the manual focus on it feels horrible. It's "lumpy" getting 
stiff with every rotation of the auto focus drive screw, then loose on 
the other half. This also sort of makes it tough to focus accurately if 
the focus point is where it doesn't want to turn.


If the lens were bad optically, I'd just return it.  It's too much to 
ask that all lenses feel like a supertak 50, but this one is beyond 
reasonable.






I have the Sigma EX 28 mm. 1.8 macro. I know it isn't the same lens, but 
 it is closely related, and the manual focus feeling doesn't have 
anything to do with your experiences with the EX 24 mm. If you disengage 
 autofocus BOTH on the camera and lens, manual focusing with my lens 
isn't stiff at all, it is very fluid and nearly as good as with 
traditional manual focus lenses. So I'd say that your 24 lens is 
defective and you should exchange it.


Like I wrote in a previous message some days ago, you must be sure you 
disengage AF by using both the camera AF/MF switch and also by pushing 
the focusing ring on the lens towards the camera body, as, 
unfortunately, these Sigma lenses can't deactivate the AF motor in the 
camera body only by using the lens clutch, like genuine Pentax FA* 
lenses do (FA* 24 mm. 2.0, FA* 300 mm. 4.5, FA* 80-200 mm. 2.8 and some 
others).


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Re: Grossmünster-2

2009-12-15 Thread P N Stenquist


What Ken said. Huge improvement.
Paul
On Dec 15, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Ken Waller wrote:


Much improved.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - From: "Subash" 

Subject: PESO: Grossmünster-2



On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:17:55 -0800 (PST)
Jack Davis  wrote:


While clean and simple, it feels sort of empty. I'd crop the sky
quite a bit and the water some. Should allow the elements to present
themselves a little more effectively. Love the canoe.


Jack, i have made a (rather heavy) crop of the original keeping your
suggestion in mind.

http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5415458892034949586

do tell me what you think.

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Re: Grossmünster-2

2009-12-15 Thread Ken Waller


Much improved.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Subash" 


Subject: PESO: Grossmünster-2



On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:17:55 -0800 (PST)
Jack Davis  wrote:


While clean and simple, it feels sort of empty. I'd crop the sky
quite a bit and the water some. Should allow the elements to present
themselves a little more effectively. Love the canoe.


Jack, i have made a (rather heavy) crop of the original keeping your
suggestion in mind.

http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5415458892034949586

do tell me what you think.

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Re: PESO: Grossmünster

2009-12-15 Thread Ken Waller


Looks like nice subject matter but.

Too dark, too much water, too much blank sky for my taste.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 


Subject: RE: PESO: Grossmünster



hi,

a Peso from the visit to zurich last month. a view from the
limmat river.

http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5415307149025339618

K10D/FA 35/2. do tell me what you think.

regards, subash


Lovely colour - feels cold and fresh



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OT: TechnoJeep

2009-12-15 Thread Chris Mitchell

>From the same source as the balancing cat. Specially for Sandra...

http://www.wimp.com/technojeep/

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Re: Film Réalité

2009-12-15 Thread Walter Hamler

Much appreciated, Bob! :-)  I am down 32 lbs now. Other than the
bladder issue I do feel great however. I can honestly say that the
heart surgery was an absolute success and not as big a deal as I
expected. The technology is greatly improved, no question!

Walt

2009/12/15 Bob Sullivan :
> Walt,
>
> You look positively thin!
> I see they were not able to do the 'simpler' roto-rooter job.
> >From the scar, it looks like they opened you up for a look/see.
> Hope you are getting along well now.
>
> And once a photographer, always a photographer.
> I love how the strap for the Olympus is wrapped around your wrist,
> despite you sitting there naked in front of the mirror.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> 2009/12/15 Walter Hamler :
>> Paul, here's one just for you!  The surgeon will be happy :-)
>>
>> Walt
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Re: From: John Francis


On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:11 PM, John Francis wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19:24AM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
 May not have anything to do with it, but are you sure the diopter is 
 set  > correctly?
>> 
>>> 
>>> That's not how the diopter correction works.
>>> 
>>> There's nothing you can do with the adjustment to make an out-of-focus
>>> image on the focussing screen appear sharp.
>>> 
>> 
>> My understanding of how he described the problem he had a sharp image  
>> through the viewfinder when focusing manually, but the focus in the  
>> captured image wasn't where it was in the viewfinder.
>> 
>> That describes the problem I experienced with the diopter.
> 
> Well, in the world where the laws of physics and optics apply, that
> is nothing to do with the diopter.  If there is a sharp image on the
> focussing screen, but not at the same point as on the film/sensor plane,
> that's caused by a problem with the placement of the focussing screen.
> 
> All the diopter does is to make it easier for your eyes to focus on the
> image on the viewfinder screen.  A poorly adjusted diopter can make it
> impossible for you to see *anything* in focus, but it can't make part
> of the image on the focussing screen appear sharper than it really is.
> 
Obviously correct. When adjusting my diopter, I ignore the viewfinder image and 
concentrate on the sharpness of the lines on the focus screen. As you said, the 
diopter's only purpose is to focus the image of the screen. If the view through 
the lens is out of focus, a correctly adjusted diopter will provide a view of 
teh out of focus image, but any markings on the focus screen will be sharp.
Paul
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Re: Film Réalité

2009-12-15 Thread Walter Hamler

Thanks, Paul.
Actually, you and I probably have a lot in common, interest wise.
I love cars, especially the 50's to 70's. I even raced some NHRA stock
classes back in the early to mid 60's. Not much to talk about but did
have fun!
My dad grew up in MI after WWI before moving on to Chicago. He liked
MI but hated Chicago. Being a Polok in South Side during the
depression probably didn't help!

Walt

2009/12/15 P N Stenquist :
> Looks like a good stitch job. Well done!
>
> I felt a tug of recognition when I saw your photo. Perhaps we're related way
> back there somewhere:-)!
> Paul
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:
>
>> Paul, here's one just for you!  The surgeon will be happy :-)
>>
>> Walt
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Re: From: John Francis

2009-12-15 Thread Boris Liberman


On 12/15/2009 8:11 PM, John Francis wrote:

Well, in the world where the laws of physics and optics apply, that
is nothing to do with the diopter.  If there is a sharp image on the
focussing screen, but not at the same point as on the film/sensor plane,
that's caused by a problem with the placement of the focussing screen.

All the diopter does is to make it easier for your eyes to focus on the
image on the viewfinder screen.  A poorly adjusted diopter can make it
impossible for you to see *anything* in focus, but it can't make part
of the image on the focussing screen appear sharper than it really is.


Since my eyesight slowly but surely deteriorates I suppose it would make 
no harm for me to take a sharp lens, say FA 43 or FA 77 and auto-focus 
it on something easy, say, a target recommended by Larry. Then I will 
see if my diopter is set properly.


Boris

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Re: PESO - Protesters

Is that bacon i see in that box.:-)

Nice shot Frank, did they pose for you.

Dave

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:00 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> The Hudson's Bay Company is Canada's oldest company, having started as
> a fur trading company in the late 17th Century.  Today it's a chain of
> stores.  It's flagship store here in Toronto is the city's largest
> department store.
>
> They still sell furs (although it's a very small part of their
> business) and so they attract protesters and picketers such as these
> two earnest looking ladies:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html
>
> Sort of Canadian Gothic feel to it, eh?  ;-)
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Guy and Jack's excellent S2 adventure

Jack and Guy both took my new writing classes.

Dave

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> The link below will take you to a review of the Leica S2 that attempts to 
> compare it to the Phase One P40 MF camera. it's from Guy Mancuso and Jack 
> Flesher. They're excellent photographers but can't write a lick, so you have 
> to kind of interpret what they're trying to say. But once you work your way 
> past the language, it's somewhat interesting.
>
> http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12243
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> Paul
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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-15 Thread Igor Roshchin


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:53 AM, William Robb 
wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Christian"
> Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters
>
>
>> frank theriault wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html
>>>
>>
>> love the leather shoes :-) (duck, cover, flame-retardant suit:
>> ON!)
>
> Yes well, activism is only romantic until your personal comfort is
> compromised.
> PETA is the biggest bunch of hypocritical wankers the world has seen.
>

PITA? ;-)



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Re: From: John Francis

2009-12-15 Thread John Francis

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19:24AM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
>>> May not have anything to do with it, but are you sure the diopter is 
>>> set  > correctly?
>
>>
>> That's not how the diopter correction works.
>>
>> There's nothing you can do with the adjustment to make an out-of-focus
>> image on the focussing screen appear sharp.
>>
>
> My understanding of how he described the problem he had a sharp image  
> through the viewfinder when focusing manually, but the focus in the  
> captured image wasn't where it was in the viewfinder.
>
> That describes the problem I experienced with the diopter.

Well, in the world where the laws of physics and optics apply, that
is nothing to do with the diopter.  If there is a sharp image on the
focussing screen, but not at the same point as on the film/sensor plane,
that's caused by a problem with the placement of the focussing screen.

All the diopter does is to make it easier for your eyes to focus on the
image on the viewfinder screen.  A poorly adjusted diopter can make it
impossible for you to see *anything* in focus, but it can't make part
of the image on the focussing screen appear sharper than it really is.

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OT: Know when to get out of the way... (cool pictures)

2009-12-15 Thread Charles Robinson

...although he ended up with some great shots, he could also just as easily 
ended up dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234929/Cheating-death-The-moment-British-photographer-narrowly-escapes-crushed-runaway-drag-race-car.html

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OT a very cool collection of vintage race photos


This came from another mailing list for "wheel to wheel racing".

Begin forwarded message:



Jim Bauder obtain permission from Al Clemens for me to create a  
Gallery on the DCTRA site for an incredible archive of over 1,200  
Vintage Racing, AutoX and Field event photos from the early through  
mid 60's.


Check out the close up candid photos captioned as Phil Hill  
(although it looks like Sterling Moss to me) and Innes Ireland at  
Sebring 1963.


Plus the upside down MGA in a canal in Palm Beach with Scuba Divers  
pulling the car out of the water.  Straight out of the Sly Stallone  
stinker "Driven"


Cool Go-Kart photos in the Lakeland Autocross gallery

Most of the photos are B&W with a few color shots.

http://www.dctra.org/?p=689




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Subject: [WtW] Any one notice this car

In the archive of Vintage photos that I posted the other day was a  
unique Corvette shown in the archive titled "courtland-al-race-6209"


http://www.dctra.org/?p=689

It looks like a 62 Vette with the exception of the heavily modified  
nose and the glass bubble top canopy


http://www.dctra.org/wp-content/gallery/VintageRacing/Races/Courtland%20AL%20Race%206209/Court%206209%2073.jpg

It interested me so I Googled "corvette bubble top" and found a  
flyer showing the car is the 1960 Show Car.


http://www.illustratedcorvetteseries.com/images/ICS_13_1960_XP-700.jpg

Searching for XP-700 led me to this write up about this one-off car

http://wikicars.org/en/Corvette_XP-700_concept

There are some real treasures in this archive of high quality photos.





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RE: Golden archaeology

> > Greenwich is a palimpsest. You only have to scratch the surface a 
> > little to reveal forgotten histories and to prove that 
> there really is 
> > nothing new under the sun. A Vietnamese restaurant which 
> has been here 
> > since before my time recently closed. Building work has revealed an 
> > unknown yet special source of historical wonderment:
> > http://www.web-options.com/IMAG0023.jpg
> 
> Perfect tittle
> 

Tattle do nicely.



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Re: Golden archaeology



On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Bob W wrote:

Greenwich is a palimpsest. You only have to scratch the surface a  
little to
reveal forgotten histories and to prove that there really is nothing  
new
under the sun. A Vietnamese restaurant which has been here since  
before my
time recently closed. Building work has revealed an unknown yet  
special

source of historical wonderment:
http://www.web-options.com/IMAG0023.jpg


Perfect tittle



Bob


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Re: PESO: Grossmünster-2



On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

I do like this better. My crop suggestion was vague, but I was  
thinking of considerably less crop to the bottom. Doing so would  
allow more wake to show and restore it to a vertical frame. Also,  
while I'm sure it would be of no consequence to many, doing so would  
take the horizon out of the center.


I didn't comment earlier because pretty much everything I was going to  
say had been said.  I love the first shot, but my gut feels that it is  
cropped wrong.


I think that I agree with Jack, to crop the sky, probably between the  
tops of the towers near the little wisp of cloud at 2 O'Clock, just  
above and to the right of the towers. That'll move horizon up to the  
2/3 part of the frame.   The water is interesting, there's a lot going  
on in it. The dark bit at that bottom also sort of frames the picture.




Jack

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Subash  wrote:


From: Subash 
Subject: PESO: Grossmünster-2
To: "PDML" 
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 5:56 AM
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:17:55 -0800
(PST)
Jack Davis 
wrote:


While clean and simple, it feels sort of empty. I'd

crop the sky

quite a bit and the water some. Should allow the

elements to present

themselves a little more effectively. Love the canoe.


Jack, i have made a (rather heavy) crop of the original
keeping your
suggestion in mind.

http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/Peso#5415458892034949586

do tell me what you think.

regards, subash

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Re: Testing the sigma 20/1.8 a few galleries of test snapshots



On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Miserere wrote:


Larry,

I see nothing wrong with your test pics. Why is it exactly that you
want to return the lens or send it to Sigma?


Because the manual focus on it feels horrible. It's "lumpy" getting  
stiff with every rotation of the auto focus drive screw, then loose on  
the other half. This also sort of makes it tough to focus accurately  
if the focus point is where it doesn't want to turn.


If the lens were bad optically, I'd just return it.  It's too much to  
ask that all lenses feel like a supertak 50, but this one is beyond  
reasonable.




BTW, I really like the close-focus feature of my Sigma 24mm. I don't
know why most non-macro Pentax lenses don't focus closer than they do;
I like to get in really close with my wide angles.


The funny thing is that I wanted a longer macro lens, not a shorter one.



Now I feel like eating some mushrooms for lunch...  :-)

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2009/12/15 Larry Colen :
I've been putting the Sigma 20/1.8 through its paces today.  I need  
to
decide whether to return it, exchange it at 47st, or send it to  
Sigma for

repair.

Optically, I have no complaints. There are undoubtably sharper  
lenses of
about this length,  but there aren't many faster, at least not at a  
price I

can afford.

In theory, I could exchange it at 47st and have a replacement  
within a week,
but while it may be better, I suspect that it won't feel as good as  
I'd
like. I'm hoping that if I send it to sigma, they'll give it a  
little extra
attention and I'll get something back at the other end of the  
spectrum when

it comes to focus feel.

I'm afraid that rather than doing the things I ought to, I kept using
"testing the lens" as an excuse to spend "a few minutes" taking  
some test
photos. Here are some quick and dirty sets, minimal processing,  
everything
hand held, most at ISO 100 to get an idea of the performance of the  
Sigma.
I'm definitely satisfied with it. As a gallery, I should definitely  
toss the

shots that aren't as good, but it's a test of the lens, not the
photographer:

On my way back from mailing one of the packages, I took a short  
drive down
Lockhart Gulch road because I keep noticing scenic little bits  
there. I
uploaded those shots to flickr at full resolution for the pixel  
peepers:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622876841535/

There are some mushrooms growing on a stump in my front yard and  
did a side

by side between the sigma and my dfa 50 as macros:

Sigma
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622877880533/

Pentax
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623002486404/

I had to run to the lumber yard, took a few shots of the old  
sawdust burner
and decided to see if I could get any shots at Roaring Camp  
Railroad next

door:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623002558356/

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Re: Guy and Jack's excellent S2 adventure


Wonder what they used for the side by side comparison shots?

Bokeh was kinda harsh.

... and get rid of those pink shoes.

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Re: PESO - GFM sunset

Thanks Brian!  (and  Bill, Christine, Frank, Paul, and Dave who was 
there :-) ) for your input.


I rejected it in the first cut back in 2005 in favor of one I now 
consider too pedestrian, less interesting
to my eye than this one.  


best,
ann

Brian Walters wrote:


Really nice, Ann

Has a subtlety that you don't always see in sunsets and the diagonal
composition really works.


Cheers

Brian


On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:09 -0500, "ann sanfedele" 
wrote:
 


Another from 2005 - just a schmaltzy sunset.
I started gathering nature stuff for another calendar

http://tinyurl.com/y9ge97q

ann
http://annsan.smugmug.com


   





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Re: PESO - Protesters


From: "William Robb"

From: "Christian"



> frank theriault wrote:
>

>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html
>>

>
> love the leather shoes  :-)  (duck, cover, flame-retardant suit: ON!)


Yes well, activism is only romantic until your personal comfort is 
compromised.

PETA is the biggest bunch of hypocritical wankers the world has seen.

William Robb 


They're not the BIGGEST.

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Re: Film R?alit?

2009-12-15 Thread Jack Davis

I know..and at that time my hair was no better.. 

Jack

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: John Sessoms 
> Subject: Re: Film R?alit?
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:21 AM
> From: Jack Davis
> > You look a little like you frightened yourself. Don't
> worry about it,
> > I often have hair like that first thing on the
> AM.  ;) 
> > Jack
> 
> Date/Time stamp of the message is from the PM.  ;-D
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, P N Stenquist 
> wrote:
> > 
> >> > From: P N Stenquist 
> >> > Subject: Film R?alit?
> >> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> > Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 3:15 PM
> >> > Reality is frightening:
> >> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10349812
> 
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Re: Golden archaeology

2009-12-15 Thread Jack Davis

Ei, ei..o.

J

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> From: Mark Roberts 
> Subject: Re: Golden archaeology
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:01 AM
> P N Stenquist wrote:
> 
> >On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote:
> >
> >> Greenwich is a palimpsest. You only have to
> scratch the surface a  
> >> little to
> >> reveal forgotten histories and to prove that there
> really is nothing  
> >> new
> >> under the sun. A Vietnamese restaurant which has
> been here since  
> >> before my
> >> time recently closed. Building work has revealed
> an unknown yet  
> >> special
> >> source of historical wonderment:
> >> http://www.web-options.com/IMAG0023.jpg
> >>
> >Old Macdonald's no doubt.
> 
> Very old. Back in those days he had a farm.
> 
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Subject: Re: Film R?alit?


From: "Brian Walters"

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:12 -0500, "paul stenquist"
 wrote:
> 
> On Dec 14, 2009, at 7:58 PM, William Robb wrote:
> 
> > 
> > - Original Message - From: "P N Stenquist"

> > Subject: Film R?alit?
> > 
> > 

> >> Reality is frightening:
> >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10349812
> > 
> > My God man, you stole Bill Shatner's young TJ Hooker rug.
> > 

> Crap. I was hoping no one would notice. Don't tell Shatner.
> Paul




Now, let me see.  How does the song go?

Oh yes

"Tell me why (I bid on Shatner's old toupee)
They had it on eBay"

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/weirdalyankovic/ebay.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtlK7sn0JQ

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Re: Film R?alit?


From: Jack Davis

You look a little like you frightened yourself. Don't worry about it,
I often have hair like that first thing on the AM.  ;) 


Jack


Date/Time stamp of the message is from the PM.  ;-D




--- On Mon, 12/14/09, P N Stenquist  wrote:


> From: P N Stenquist 
> Subject: Film R?alit?
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 3:15 PM
> Reality is frightening:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10349812



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From: John Francis