Re: Trafalger Square, That's in London, right?

[Thomas Cakalic]

I think that amateur photgraphers, pros, however you define yourself,
should just continue to photograph and simply laugh when confronted.
The rights of citizens to approach and interact with the public at
large and to behave in a non-offensive manner have been established by
numerous legal precedents, camera aside.

Like many things in our society now, it seems to be assumed that a
show of  'official' force will make the individual cower.

I'm not a number, I'm a free man and so are you all.

Tom

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> I was in San Diego today.  As Lynn shopped in the Ralph's (Big
> Supermarket Chain), I went out to sit in the sunshine.  As I grew
> tired of waiting, I thought to take some photos.  Could I make one of
> those panning shots of the woman wrangling 6-8 carts back into the
> store.  So I took one...
> Up comes a guy with a missing front tooth.  If he didn't have the
> sportcoat with 'Security' on, I would have thought he was homeless.
> He explained that Ralph's considered everything on the property to be
> proprietary and didn't allow photos.  I explained that I was just
> waiting for my wife to finish shopping and it ended there.  20 minutes
> later he passed by again and made a gesture showing he was still
> watching me.
> Well, I did have a big lens on the camera, but this is getting kind of
> silly folks.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>> This might be of interest to our British compatriots.
>>
>> http://photographernotaterrorist.org/
>>
>>
>> William Robb
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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Thomas Cakalic]

Overall you can take a multitude of short exposure lower ISO shots,
avoiding the noise and software-stack them.

Noise is a factor, of course, but I'm sort of concluding that for
night/dark sky images that high-ISO performance is not the issue.  For
concerts or street scenes where one has one shot/exposure, yes it's a
factor.

The max you can go with a tripod, on a mount that doesn't track the
sky, for wide-field exposures of the heavens, is about 20 seconds
regardless of ISO, aperture, focal length, etc.

Tom

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> On Dec 24, 2009, at 16:54 , David Savage wrote:
>
>> But if you wanna' freeze the motion of stars high ISO performance is
>> critical.
>
> Aw, jess bring a huge field tripod with clock drive as for a Meade or
> Celestron 8" or larger SC mirror 'scope, a 12 volt car battery, then clamp
> that Pentax to it with some gaffer tape and let 'er rip! Take another shot
> with it unplugged for the foreground, then merge.
>
> :-)
>
> Merry Holidays and a fortune filled New Year to you all, stars or not!
>
>
>> 2009/12/25 Thomas Cakalic :
>>>
>>> I like by pictures taken in the dark to look that way, so I'd never
>>> use the high ISO settings.  :-)
>>>
>>> 2009/12/24 Margus Männik :

 Tim Bray wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash  wrote:
>
>>
>> ...and gives it a 'highly recommended':
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/
>>
>
> And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T
>

 Yes, and they're absolutely correct. I tested the camera for 3 weeks and
 as
 a result, K-7 doesn't impress me any more. It's dark here...
>>>
>
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OT PESO (x8) - Recent stuff

[David Savage]

Merry Christmas All,

Well Chrissy lunch is done & I'm about to enjoy my alcohol buzz by
watching Gran Torino. But before I do I thought I'd share some of my
recent stuff:

Frosted Glass


Fuel


Blue Metal (Zoolander reference)

(That's a SP BTW. Testing the Nikon SU-800 IR Flash Trigger & Lastolite Ezybox)

Browsing


Feisty


Barossa (South Australia's famous wine region)


Large(~300kb)


End of the tunnel


Under the Sea

My friends gave me an underwater bag for the G10 for my birthday. Came
in handy given I was going on a snorkelling trip the next day.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[David Savage]

Good stuff. It'll be our secret :-)



2009/12/25 Christian :
> Once we're in Manly I'll get shots of the "chicks" just don't tell my wife!
>
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> Christian
> http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/
>
>
> David Savage wrote:
>>
>> Dude!!! It's summer!!!
>>
>> You are photographing the wrong type of chick.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> 2009/12/25 Christian :
>>>
>>> http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html
>>>
>>> You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)
>>
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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[David Savage]

2009/12/25 frank theriault :
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Christian  wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks, frank!  I thought about photoshoping a santa hat on this guy...
>
> Well, you know me, usually I'm not into such manipulations, but what
> with it being Christmas and all, if it were done in a ~tasteful~ way
> it might work...

Might be good for a laugh...

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

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On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Christian  wrote:


> Thanks, frank!  I thought about photoshoping a santa hat on this guy...

Well, you know me, usually I'm not into such manipulations, but what
with it being Christmas and all, if it were done in a ~tasteful~ way
it might work...

;-)

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[Christian]

frank theriault wrote:

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Christian  wrote:

http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)


I was expecting a kangaroo wearing a set of antlers or maybe a Santa hat.

But this will do.

;-)

Lovely photo, Christian.  All the best to you and your family for your
Christmas Down Under!!

cheers,
frank



Thanks, frank!  I thought about photoshoping a santa hat on this guy...

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[Christian]

Once we're in Manly I'll get shots of the "chicks" just don't tell my wife!

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David Savage wrote:

Dude!!! It's summer!!!

You are photographing the wrong type of chick.

;-)

2009/12/25 Christian :

http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)




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Question about flags in LR-2

[Igor Roshchin]

I just discovered yesterday that in LR-2, when a photo is flagged, 
it is not always a global attribute.
If the photo is flagged within the directory (folder) that contains it,
that flag will be "global".
When you have a set of collections and flag the photo in the top set,
that flag will be visible in the sub-collections, but if you flag it
within a specific collection, that flag will not be visible in the
collection super-set or within the folder that contains the photo...

This feature doesn't allow to create smart collections based on the
flags that were set within collections...

If somebody knows an easy solution how to make "local" (i.e.
within-collection) flags to become "global", - let me know.

Thank you,

Igor



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Re: GESO: On Low Light

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:51 PM, William Robb  wrote:


> I suspect the Lumix isn't constrained by the ~45mm flange to focal plane
> distance.

Good answer.

Thanks.

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

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On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Thomas Cakalic wrote:

> Size consideration is for wimps. :-)
> 
I was being polite:-)
> Tom
> 
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>> 
>> On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>> 
>>> On 25/12/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
 I agree. That's not a big difference. But the big plus for me with the K7 
 has been the exposure accuracy. No comparison between that camera and the 
 20 in regards to nailing the exposure. The Kx doesn't have the same 
 metering system as the K20. It's considerably less sophisticated in that 
 regard. That would be the deal breaker for me. Plus, I think it's even 
 smaller. The K7 is borderline in that regard for me, even with the battery 
 grip installed. I need mass for handholding. As far as low light is 
 concerned, I've found the K7 to be quite adequate at 3200 with accurate 
 exposure, and that's all I need. My commercial work is never low light. I 
 do shoot lowlight snaps of Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't 
 critical.
>>> 
>>> It would be interesting to see some real life comparisons showing how
>>> the metering responds between the Kx and K7, I've not a fan of the
>>> K10/20 though I still have a 20. The K20 is a behemoth compared to the
>>> *ist D or Kx even without the grip. I bought the Kx so that I could
>>> retire my *ist D as my general duty (i'll take it because it's not too
>>> big) available light cam and so far it's doing the job well, it so
>>> nice having a screen that's bigger than a postage stamp, LV, video and
>>> much faster save times.
>>> 
>> If size is a consideration, the Kx is obviously a good choice. I have no 
>> idea how accurate the kx metering might be, but I know the K7 excels in that 
>> regard. In any case, it's my main tool for now. And I'll shoot the heck out 
>> of it:-). I'm already at 10,000 exposures, thanks to some marathon magazine 
>> shoots. It's a good hammer!
>> Paul
>>> Rob Studdert (Digital  Image Studio)
>>> Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours
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Re: GESO: On Low Light

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 19:17 , frank theriault wrote:


If the GF1 has a Lumix 20mm f1.7 pancake lens, why is the Pentax 21mm
Limited so slow?  There are several for sale on this list, and I have
to be honest I'm sooo interested, but I hesitate putting out that much
money for such a slow lens.

It's a perfect focal length for my street shooting, but as many of you
know I shoot a lot of night shots.  Right now my A50mm f1.7 is good,
but I want something wider.  The 21mm Limited is just too damned slow!
If Panasonic can do it, why can't Pentax?



Same reason it's easier to make and buy an ƒ1.4 to ƒ1.9 lens for a  
16mm Bolex, or a 1/2" sensor TV camera. Coverage, and lens to film/ 
sensor distance.


Joseph McAllister
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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[David Savage]

Speaking of which...

I got to hold an play with a K7 this week (nice camera, but I'd
forgotten how noisy the older in camera motor AF was). Jeeebus it
feels like a feather weight kids toy in my hand after about 18 months
of D700 usage.

Which probably explains why my arms are looking so ripped :-)

DS

2009/12/25 Thomas Cakalic :
> Size consideration is for wimps. :-)
>
> Tom
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/12/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:
>>>
 I agree. That's not a big difference. But the big plus for me with the K7 
 has been the exposure accuracy. No comparison between that camera and the 
 20 in regards to nailing the exposure. The Kx doesn't have the same 
 metering system as the K20. It's considerably less sophisticated in that 
 regard. That would be the deal breaker for me. Plus, I think it's even 
 smaller. The K7 is borderline in that regard for me, even with the battery 
 grip installed. I need mass for handholding. As far as low light is 
 concerned, I've found the K7 to be quite adequate at 3200 with accurate 
 exposure, and that's all I need. My commercial work is never low light. I 
 do shoot lowlight snaps of Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't 
 critical.
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to see some real life comparisons showing how
>>> the metering responds between the Kx and K7, I've not a fan of the
>>> K10/20 though I still have a 20. The K20 is a behemoth compared to the
>>> *ist D or Kx even without the grip. I bought the Kx so that I could
>>> retire my *ist D as my general duty (i'll take it because it's not too
>>> big) available light cam and so far it's doing the job well, it so
>>> nice having a screen that's bigger than a postage stamp, LV, video and
>>> much faster save times.
>>>
>> If size is a consideration, the Kx is obviously a good choice. I have no 
>> idea how accurate the kx metering might be, but I know the K7 excels in that 
>> regard. In any case, it's my main tool for now. And I'll shoot the heck out 
>> of it:-). I'm already at 10,000 exposures, thanks to some marathon magazine 
>> shoots. It's a good hammer!
>> Paul

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[David Savage]

Dude!!! It's summer!!!

You are photographing the wrong type of chick.

;-)

2009/12/25 Christian :
> http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html
>
> You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)

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Re: GESO: On Low Light

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"


Subject: Re: GESO: On Low Light




If the GF1 has a Lumix 20mm f1.7 pancake lens, why is the Pentax 21mm
Limited so slow?  There are several for sale on this list, and I have
to be honest I'm sooo interested, but I hesitate putting out that much
money for such a slow lens.

It's a perfect focal length for my street shooting, but as many of you
know I shoot a lot of night shots.  Right now my A50mm f1.7 is good,
but I want something wider.  The 21mm Limited is just too damned slow!
If Panasonic can do it, why can't Pentax?

I suspect the Lumix isn't constrained by the ~45mm flange to focal plane 
distance.


William Robb 



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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 16:54 , David Savage wrote:

But if you wanna' freeze the motion of stars high ISO performance is  
critical.


Aw, jess bring a huge field tripod with clock drive as for a Meade or  
Celestron 8" or larger SC mirror 'scope, a 12 volt car battery, then  
clamp that Pentax to it with some gaffer tape and let 'er rip! Take  
another shot with it unplugged for the foreground, then merge.


:-)

Merry Holidays and a fortune filled New Year to you all, stars or not!



2009/12/25 Thomas Cakalic :

I like by pictures taken in the dark to look that way, so I'd never
use the high ISO settings.  :-)

2009/12/24 Margus Männik :

Tim Bray wrote:


On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash   
wrote:




...and gives it a 'highly recommended':

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/



And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T



Yes, and they're absolutely correct. I tested the camera for 3  
weeks and as

a result, K-7 doesn't impress me any more. It's dark here...




Joseph McAllister
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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Thomas Cakalic]

Size consideration is for wimps. :-)

Tom

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
>
> On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>
>> On 25/12/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. That's not a big difference. But the big plus for me with the K7 
>>> has been the exposure accuracy. No comparison between that camera and the 
>>> 20 in regards to nailing the exposure. The Kx doesn't have the same 
>>> metering system as the K20. It's considerably less sophisticated in that 
>>> regard. That would be the deal breaker for me. Plus, I think it's even 
>>> smaller. The K7 is borderline in that regard for me, even with the battery 
>>> grip installed. I need mass for handholding. As far as low light is 
>>> concerned, I've found the K7 to be quite adequate at 3200 with accurate 
>>> exposure, and that's all I need. My commercial work is never low light. I 
>>> do shoot lowlight snaps of Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't 
>>> critical.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see some real life comparisons showing how
>> the metering responds between the Kx and K7, I've not a fan of the
>> K10/20 though I still have a 20. The K20 is a behemoth compared to the
>> *ist D or Kx even without the grip. I bought the Kx so that I could
>> retire my *ist D as my general duty (i'll take it because it's not too
>> big) available light cam and so far it's doing the job well, it so
>> nice having a screen that's bigger than a postage stamp, LV, video and
>> much faster save times.
>>
> If size is a consideration, the Kx is obviously a good choice. I have no idea 
> how accurate the kx metering might be, but I know the K7 excels in that 
> regard. In any case, it's my main tool for now. And I'll shoot the heck out 
> of it:-). I'm already at 10,000 exposures, thanks to some marathon magazine 
> shoots. It's a good hammer!
> Paul
>> Rob Studdert (Digital  Image Studio)
>> Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours
>> Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio
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Re: GESO: On Low Light

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> An edu-piece with f2.0-or-wider shots at
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/12/18/Day-of-the-DMD
>
> I have this fairly-popular tech blog and occasionally I write
> general-photography pieces; geeks love hardware, including camera
> hardware, but a lot of them have never really looked much past the
> marketing, so from time to time I do survey pieces on the state of the
> camera art.  -T

Thanks for this interesting article.

Here's a related question (which maybe deserves its own SL and thread):

If the GF1 has a Lumix 20mm f1.7 pancake lens, why is the Pentax 21mm
Limited so slow?  There are several for sale on this list, and I have
to be honest I'm sooo interested, but I hesitate putting out that much
money for such a slow lens.

It's a perfect focal length for my street shooting, but as many of you
know I shoot a lot of night shots.  Right now my A50mm f1.7 is good,
but I want something wider.  The 21mm Limited is just too damned slow!
 If Panasonic can do it, why can't Pentax?

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Christian  wrote:
> http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html
>
> You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)

I was expecting a kangaroo wearing a set of antlers or maybe a Santa hat.

But this will do.

;-)

Lovely photo, Christian.  All the best to you and your family for your
Christmas Down Under!!

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Re: Sydney PDML Meet-up

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:52 +1100, "Peter McIntosh" 
wrote:
 
> The best laid plans...  I'm afraid I'm going to have to pike on this
> one - I've got a work trip to India later that week, and have got
> smeg-loads of stuff to do before I leave.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete in western Sydney



OK - you're excused. Provided, of course, we get to see some pics.

:-)>



Cheers

Brian

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> 2009/12/24 Brian Walters 
> >
> > G'day all
> >
> > Monday 4 January is the date for the meet up with Christian while he is
> > down under.  The venue and time will depend on who can make it.
> >
> > Looking back though earlier threads, Derby, Anthony, Pete McIntosh, Pete
> > Loveday, Rob and myself all indicated interest, subject to work
> > commitments, holidays, etc.  There may have been one or two others -
> > memory fails
> >
> > Rob and I are starters - Anyone else?  Please indicate Yea or Nay so we
> > can firm up details.
> >

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PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[Christian]

http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

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Re: Trafalger Square, That's in London, right?

[Bob Sullivan]

I was in San Diego today.  As Lynn shopped in the Ralph's (Big
Supermarket Chain), I went out to sit in the sunshine.  As I grew
tired of waiting, I thought to take some photos.  Could I make one of
those panning shots of the woman wrangling 6-8 carts back into the
store.  So I took one...
Up comes a guy with a missing front tooth.  If he didn't have the
sportcoat with 'Security' on, I would have thought he was homeless.
He explained that Ralph's considered everything on the property to be
proprietary and didn't allow photos.  I explained that I was just
waiting for my wife to finish shopping and it ended there.  20 minutes
later he passed by again and made a gesture showing he was still
watching me.
Well, I did have a big lens on the camera, but this is getting kind of
silly folks.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM, William Robb  wrote:
> This might be of interest to our British compatriots.
>
> http://photographernotaterrorist.org/
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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

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On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

> On 25/12/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> I agree. That's not a big difference. But the big plus for me with the K7 
>> has been the exposure accuracy. No comparison between that camera and the 20 
>> in regards to nailing the exposure. The Kx doesn't have the same metering 
>> system as the K20. It's considerably less sophisticated in that regard. That 
>> would be the deal breaker for me. Plus, I think it's even smaller. The K7 is 
>> borderline in that regard for me, even with the battery grip installed. I 
>> need mass for handholding. As far as low light is concerned, I've found the 
>> K7 to be quite adequate at 3200 with accurate exposure, and that's all I 
>> need. My commercial work is never low light. I do shoot lowlight snaps of 
>> Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't critical.
> 
> It would be interesting to see some real life comparisons showing how
> the metering responds between the Kx and K7, I've not a fan of the
> K10/20 though I still have a 20. The K20 is a behemoth compared to the
> *ist D or Kx even without the grip. I bought the Kx so that I could
> retire my *ist D as my general duty (i'll take it because it's not too
> big) available light cam and so far it's doing the job well, it so
> nice having a screen that's bigger than a postage stamp, LV, video and
> much faster save times.
> 
If size is a consideration, the Kx is obviously a good choice. I have no idea 
how accurate the kx metering might be, but I know the K7 excels in that regard. 
In any case, it's my main tool for now. And I'll shoot the heck out of it:-). 
I'm already at 10,000 exposures, thanks to some marathon magazine shoots. It's 
a good hammer!
Paul
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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[paul stenquist]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:00 PM, William Robb wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"
> Subject: Re: dpreview reviews the k-x
> 
> 
> 
> >I do shoot lowlight snaps of Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't
> critical.
> 
> She might not think so down the road.
> Don't you want her pictures of the good times with Grampa to be as sharp and
> clear as her memories>
> Really Paul, think of the children.
> 

Gosh, gee. Sorry.
Seriously, I'm okay at up to 3200 with the k7, and that's fine for room light 
most of the time. Underexposure is the main culprit when it comes to noise, and 
I can count on the K7 to nail the exposures.
Paul
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Re: OT - Epic journey to Oz

[David Savage]

A small quantity of vodka in his juice will fix that :-)



2009/12/25 Rob Studdert :
> On 25/12/2009, John Sessoms  wrote:
>
>> I don't know if there's any reason not to just assign a maximum weight of
>> carry-on for each passenger instead of a maximum weight per bag and a two
>> bag limit, other than if someone *IS* going to drop their bag on me trying
>> to stuff it into the overhead, a 15 pound bag will hurt less than a 30 pound
>> bag.
>
> Apart from the obvious requirements to limit total weight I'd imagine
> that the bag weight limit is due to a combination of OH&S regulations
> and the practical safety aspects associated with overhead storage.
>
> Santa's been at my place, Jr got up at 3:30 and he's staying up!

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[David Savage]

But if you wanna' freeze the motion of stars high ISO performance is critical.

2009/12/25 Thomas Cakalic :
> I like by pictures taken in the dark to look that way, so I'd never
> use the high ISO settings.  :-)
>
> 2009/12/24 Margus Männik :
>> Tim Bray wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash  wrote:
>>>

 ...and gives it a 'highly recommended':

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/

>>>
>>> And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T
>>>
>>
>> Yes, and they're absolutely correct. I tested the camera for 3 weeks and as
>> a result, K-7 doesn't impress me any more. It's dark here...
>>
>> BR, Margus
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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Rob Studdert]

On 25/12/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:

> I agree. That's not a big difference. But the big plus for me with the K7 has 
> been the exposure accuracy. No comparison between that camera and the 20 in 
> regards to nailing the exposure. The Kx doesn't have the same metering system 
> as the K20. It's considerably less sophisticated in that regard. That would 
> be the deal breaker for me. Plus, I think it's even smaller. The K7 is 
> borderline in that regard for me, even with the battery grip installed. I 
> need mass for handholding. As far as low light is concerned, I've found the 
> K7 to be quite adequate at 3200 with accurate exposure, and that's all I 
> need. My commercial work is never low light. I do shoot lowlight snaps of 
> Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't critical.

It would be interesting to see some real life comparisons showing how
the metering responds between the Kx and K7, I've not a fan of the
K10/20 though I still have a 20. The K20 is a behemoth compared to the
*ist D or Kx even without the grip. I bought the Kx so that I could
retire my *ist D as my general duty (i'll take it because it's not too
big) available light cam and so far it's doing the job well, it so
nice having a screen that's bigger than a postage stamp, LV, video and
much faster save times.

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Trafalger Square, That's in London, right?

[William Robb]

This might be of interest to our British compatriots.

http://photographernotaterrorist.org/


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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist"

Subject: Re: dpreview reviews the k-x



>I do shoot lowlight snaps of Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't
critical.

She might not think so down the road.
Don't you want her pictures of the good times with Grampa to be as sharp and
clear as her memories>
Really Paul, think of the children.

William Robb


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RE: Best of the Season folks

[John Sessoms]

From: Bran Everseeking

hope every one has some relaxation over the the past while and the
while to come.

Bran


Thanks. My family has their get-together on Christmas Eve so my 
generation can spend the day with their significant others and their 
families. It's a family meal; a chance to catch up and see who's growing up.


We've gotten beyond the gift giving stage other than having something 
for the next generation. Christmas is for kids.


But I did get one marvelous gift. My mom found an old album she'd put 
together from picture postcards she got on a family vacation we took to 
California when I was 14. Once there were photos I had taken, but it 
looks like someone stripped them out years ago, except for 4 from Yosemite.


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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[paul stenquist]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

> On 25/12/2009, William Robb  wrote:
> 
>> I've come to prefer the K7 body, and while I like what I am seeing in the
>> K-x, I have no wish to go back to a 10mp camera. If they could get a 15mp
>> chip from Sony with K-x performance, that would be nice.
> 
> Honestly there's very little in it resolution wise, 14.6MP for the
> K20/7 or 12.4MP for the Kx, just set ACR to convert +1, the Kx files
> come out at 5120 x 3401 pixels.
> 
I agree. That's not a big difference. But the big plus for me with the K7 has 
been the exposure accuracy. No comparison between that camera and the 20 in 
regards to nailing the exposure. The Kx doesn't have the same metering system 
as the K20. It's considerably less sophisticated in that regard. That would be 
the deal breaker for me. Plus, I think it's even smaller. The K7 is borderline 
in that regard for me, even with the battery grip installed. I need mass for 
handholding. As far as low light is concerned, I've found the K7 to be quite 
adequate at 3200 with accurate exposure, and that's all I need. My commercial 
work is never low light. I do shoot lowlight snaps of Grace and pics for grins, 
but those aren't critical.
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Re: OT?: Wireless question

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 15:07 , steve harley wrote:


On 2009-12-24 16:02 , Joseph McAllister wrote:


Unless I'm confused (happens a lot) you could just move the Airport
Extreme to wherever the PC is going to be located and plug the PC  
into

it with your ethernet cable.


David said it's an Airport _Express_, though -- so there's only one  
ethernet jack, which i assumed that would have to be connected to  
the DSL router




True. I have a box of old 1k switches and hubs that could overcome  
that real fast.


So Dave, get a card for your old PC clone box (Does it even have USB  
for a plug-in WiFi?) and get cracking in old Windows XP until the HTML  
email's hidden Javascript and invisible calls trash it, forcing you  
back to the MacBook!   :-0



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Re: OT?: Wireless question

[steve harley]

On 2009-12-24 16:02 , Joseph McAllister wrote:


Unless I'm confused (happens a lot) you could just move the Airport
Extreme to wherever the PC is going to be located and plug the PC into
it with your ethernet cable.


David said it's an Airport _Express_, though -- so there's only one 
ethernet jack, which i assumed that would have to be connected to the 
DSL router



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Re: OT?: Wireless question

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:55 , steve harley wrote:


On 2009-12-24 08:02 , David J Brooks wrote:

Right now, i have a 25' phone cable coming out of the airport express
or dsl modem to a phone jack down stairs. If i move the PC i think i
might need a longer cable, which apparently is a no no at the  
lenght i

have now.


as has been noted, you already have a wireless router (the Airport  
Express), which apparently works with your iBook, so it should need  
no further configuration; you'll just need to set up your Windows  
machine to for wifi (which i won't attempt to explain)


alternatively, it sounds like you may have a working ethernet  
connection to the Windows machine for wifi, perhaps from an ethernet  
port on the back of the DSL modem; if so, then you could just run a  
longer ethernet cable to the DSL modem -- these cables can be very  
long without degrading the signal as can happen with long telephone  
cables


Unless I'm confused (happens a lot) you could just move the Airport  
Extreme to wherever the PC is going to be located and plug the PC into  
it with your ethernet cable. The MacBook could use the DSL router and  
connect to the PC via the Airport Extreme. Saves having to run any  
cables anywhere, and from buying a WiFi card for the PC.


Is the DSL Modem wireless? Have a Router built in? More savings in  
setup.


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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Rob Studdert]

On 25/12/2009, William Robb  wrote:

> I've come to prefer the K7 body, and while I like what I am seeing in the
> K-x, I have no wish to go back to a 10mp camera. If they could get a 15mp
> chip from Sony with K-x performance, that would be nice.

Honestly there's very little in it resolution wise, 14.6MP for the
K20/7 or 12.4MP for the Kx, just set ACR to convert +1, the Kx files
come out at 5120 x 3401 pixels.

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Re: Sydney PDML Meet-up

[Peter McIntosh]

2009/12/24 Brian Walters 
>
> G'day all
>
> Monday 4 January is the date for the meet up with Christian while he is
> down under.  The venue and time will depend on who can make it.
>
> Looking back though earlier threads, Derby, Anthony, Pete McIntosh, Pete
> Loveday, Rob and myself all indicated interest, subject to work
> commitments, holidays, etc.  There may have been one or two others -
> memory fails
>
> Rob and I are starters - Anyone else?  Please indicate Yea or Nay so we
> can firm up details.
>

The best laid plans...  I'm afraid I'm going to have to pike on this
one - I've got a work trip to India later that week, and have got
smeg-loads of stuff to do before I leave.

Regards,

Pete in western Sydney

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Re: PESO - The Christmas Window

[David J Brooks]

Thats a wonderful shot, sort of "Its a wonderful Life" type.

Dave

,snipped>On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:

> As I said, Toronto has one grand old department store left:  it was
> once Robert Simpson's, now it's the flagship store for the Bay
> (Hudson's Bay Company).  I saw this mother and daughter enjoying one
> of their windows, and the memories came flooding back:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/christmas-window.html
>
> I would have liked to taken a few more than this one, but the fur
> protesters caught my attention, and the one I took of them was the
> last of the roll.
>
> Leica CL, Summicron C 40mm, Ilford HP5+
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
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Re: Wireless question

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> Adding to all other replies, LinkSys has some good video tutorials on
> networking here...
>
> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/learningcenter
>
> If your Mac already works wireless, you already have a wireless router built
> into the modem.  Unless your motherboard has on-board wireless, you will
> need a wireless card and its software to add to your PC.  BTW, if the
> install instructions tell you to run the CD software before you install the
> card, be sure to do it that way, otherwise you'll spend a bunch of time
> trying to figure out why things aren't working.   ;>)
>
> -p

Thanks, i'll have a look.

I should have mentioned its a PC clone with Windows XP home, and was
built in 2002 by MDG of that makes a difference. I;ll have to fire it
up and see if i find a wireless card, but i doubt it.

Thanks for all the help so far every one
Dave
>
> William Robb wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks"
>> Subject: Re: Wireless question
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, William Robb  wrote:
>>> So, i'll need to add a card to the PC, is that correct.??
>>>
>>> I have read some of the flyers and plan to get one w=that allows firewall
>>> etc.
>>
>> Check your motherboard specs. Some (like my old ASUS) had wireless built
>> in,
>> others (like my new Gigabyte) don't.
>> Odds are you will be adding a card though.
>> I think all routers these days have built in firewalls. Doesn't help
>> unless
>> you password protect the network though.
>> If you want to be really anal, you can close down your network to just the
>> MAC addresses of your individual computers.
>> Note, PC's have MAC addresses. It stands for Media Access Control address.
>> I've found WinXP pro to be very easy to make work on a wireless network,
>> it wants to be networked.
>> Vista wasn't so easy, it wants to network but is afraid of the
>> consequences so it won't actually do it unless you talk really nice and
>> reassure it that it will be OK.
>>
>> William Robb
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: OT?: Wireless question

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Graydon  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:55:37PM -0700, steve harley scripsit:
>> alternatively, it sounds like you may have a working ethernet connection
>> to the Windows machine for wifi, perhaps from an ethernet port on the
>> back of the DSL modem; if so, then you could just run a longer ethernet
>> cable to the DSL modem -- these cables can be very long without
>> degrading the signal as can happen with long telephone cables
>
> If you get "plenum" rated ethernet cable you can even use a fish and
> pull it through your hot air ducts (if hot air ducts there be) and avoid
> some tripping hazard.
>
> -- Graydon

That is how i have run my cable for the TV's throught the cold air
return duct work.

Dave
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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Joseph McAllister]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:15 , Mark Roberts wrote:


John Sessoms wrote:


I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread.


You're not.



We lazy sots who take what is thrown at us without so much as a  
whimper applaud you.


Mainly for freeing up bandwidth so our trash isn't slowed by your usage.

[ I will say that an hour of due diligence day before yesterday has  
cut my "Junk" mail folder down to only 4 messages in the past 24 hours  
vs 50 - 100 previously. Sodahead, Borders, Pottery Barn, and the daily  
msg message from some chick's name via hotmail, gmail, yahoo or msn  
mail telling me about the photo album she wants to share with me.  
Borders & Pottery Barn should stop in a day or so, Sodahead I'll take  
a look at today. The spam from this hot chick who wants me to look at  
her albums seems to be very low on the list of spam that any of the  
aforementioned sites care to try to block. Each is accompanied by  
Microsoft's notice of respect for me - "Change who can send you  
invitations and requests
Microsoft respects your privacy. To learn more, read our privacy  
statement. Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA  
98052" - which is worth zippo in my book. ]


Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

There is no off position to the genius switch.
Genius can, however, be observed as insanity.


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Graydon]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 04:21:44PM -0600, Stan Halpin scripsit:
> On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Graydon wrote:
>> -- Graydon (who is typing this using Vim; lots of people would   consider
>> that Going Too Far)
> The first "computer" I programmed (aka IBM 1470 Accounting Machine) had a 
[snip]
> a good thing (tm). I wouldn't say the you are "going too far" with mutt 
> and Vim; rather you haven't come nearly far enough!  ;-)

Nah; the clicky stuff is slow and doesn't provide a mechanism for doing
what I want, just what the folks as wrote it thought I would want to do.

Those are strangely disjoint sets from time to time. :)

-- Graydon

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mat Maessen"

Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card



On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, William Robb  wrote:

You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is that the
virus writers mostly leave you guys alone.


This whole thread reminded me of one of the other advantages of Macs.

I have never had to deal with a malfunctioning device driver. No pain,
it just works.


Lets stay away from religion, this is a technical issue.

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Margus Männik"

Subject: Re: dpreview reviews the k-x



Dario Bonazza wrote:

Tim Bray wrote:


On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash  wrote:

...and gives it a 'highly recommended':

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/


And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T


And a lot better! For that reason, some time ago I wrote I'd love a K-7 
with the K-x sensor.


Dario

... and K20D body, please!



I've come to prefer the K7 body, and while I like what I am seeing in the 
K-x, I have no wish to go back to a 10mp camera. If they could get a 15mp 
chip from Sony with K-x performance, that would be nice.


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Stan Halpin]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Graydon wrote:


...
I use a program called mutt to read email; it's a command-line only
console email application for unixes.  HTML mail gets rendered into
plain text through a text-only browser that has no awareness of what
javascript *is*, never mind support for it, and no plugin
infrastructure.

Links are displayed in a format I can open in the regular browser if I
want to; images get dropped on the floor.

-- Graydon (who is typing this using Vim; lots of people would  
consider

that Going Too Far)


The first "computer" I programmed (aka IBM 1470 Accounting Machine)  
had a board about 18"x 24" that was mounted in a rack on the side. To  
program you pulled out that board, 10 lbs or so, then proceed to  
install jumpers across the 80 columns of holes in the board. E.g., a  
jumper from col 7 to col 8 in row 2 would indicate that cols 7-8 were  
to be considered a two digit number. A jumper from col 8 to col 9 in  
row 3 indicated that there was a virtual decimal point between those  
two columns. You could do addition, subtraction, multiplication, ...  
And no viruses to worry about. But I moved on to job control language,  
then Fortran, some attempts at writing print drivers and designing  
menu-based interfaces for MS-DOS machines. But I moved on. GUIs and  
all of their associated baggage and all of the bloated word processors  
and their baggage, and all of the other manifestations of current  
computer products really are, on balance, a good thing (tm). I  
wouldn't say the you are "going too far" with mutt and Vim; rather you  
haven't come nearly far enough!  ;-)


stan

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[steve harley]

On 2009-12-24 10:39 , Stan Halpin wrote:

There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along java
etc may insert nasties into your system.


i can manage the nasties by being aware of what links i follow (mostly 
not) and what images i load (mostly not); it's the tracking that i don't 
like:


when an email doesn't make sense unless you "load remote images", that 
means XYZ Online Store Service wants to know i read their email at 
exactly 12:52 a.m. and that i preferred the green button to the orange 
one; ABC Online Marketing Service, which actually sends the emails, can 
also then aggregate my behavior in response to emails from multiple 
senders, so they can tell BZF Product Specialists that i tend to respond 
better to XYZ Online Store than i do to IMO Worldwide Sales


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[steve harley]

On 2009-12-24 10:15 , Scott Loveless wrote:

On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist  wrote:


  On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one

who just deletes HTML email unread.




  Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-).


When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail.  It seems fewer
and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more
work.  I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text.


me too, essentially i prefer the purity of the written word displayed in 
the font, size and width i choose to the attention-grabbing and 
customer-tracking efforts of email marketers; i've been emailing for 
over 30 years, and HTML is a johnny-come-lately


but i do switch modes fairly often for various reasons (including that i 
work on software that handles email)



So all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is usually a
list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of
images.


i often trash those too, and i generally avoid loading or following the 
links as they are designed to let the sender track my interaction with 
the message


most of them come through the "up and up" bulk email services, like rs6; 
those services generally say that they provide their clients with the 
tools they need to create proper plain text alternatives, but when i've 
asked a few such senders why they didn't use those tools, they plead 
ignorance; i think the bulk email services should take the blame for not 
providing a practical solution to the problem


and then there are the doofuses who send a message with both plain text 
and HTML alternatives, but the plain text part is empty, or says 
something like "your email client is not configured properly" -- those 
are the ones that bug me most, although they are technically more 
standards-compliant than the HTML-only senders


email is fading away anyway; the youngsters see it as something old 
people do




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Re: OT?: Wireless question

[Graydon]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:55:37PM -0700, steve harley scripsit:
> alternatively, it sounds like you may have a working ethernet connection  
> to the Windows machine for wifi, perhaps from an ethernet port on the  
> back of the DSL modem; if so, then you could just run a longer ethernet  
> cable to the DSL modem -- these cables can be very long without  
> degrading the signal as can happen with long telephone cables

If you get "plenum" rated ethernet cable you can even use a fish and
pull it through your hot air ducts (if hot air ducts there be) and avoid
some tripping hazard.

-- Graydon

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Re: Wireless question

[Graydon]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 09:29:52AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
> If you want to be really anal, you can close down your network to just the
> MAC addresses of your individual computers.

I think you mean "minimally prudent"; no wireless protocol in current
use is secure or can be made secure.  Generally, it's best to avoid
wireless capability completely if you ever do anything important with
that computer (such as check your bank balance).  The femto-cell 3G
approach *can* be secure but isn't generally available in NorAm.

-- Graydon

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Re: Happy Holidays PDML!

[Stan Halpin]

Christine - I missed your original message as I transitioned from home  
computer to laptop enroute to Michigan for the holidays...

Very nice picture of the two of you. And the surroundings totally fit!

Happy holidays to you both, and to all others who are listening in.

stan

On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Subash wrote:


On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:12:27 -0600
"Christine  Aguila"  wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/ydp8q2v


happy holidays to you and darrel as well. that's a lot of books.
impressed :)


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Graydon]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:29:12PM -0500, P N Stenquist scripsit:
> I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this
> trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't
> present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or
> Linux thing?

It's an any computer thing.  To view HTML, something has to take the
(plain text, remember) HTML file, parse it, and render it.  This is a
(generally very considerable) security hole, and always will be, world
without end, amen, because HTML is a bletcherous and implausible
collection of historical bug-for-bug compatibility rendered by rendering
engines designed to show you *something* at any cost and entirely
promiscuous in their use and acceptance of plugins.  (This is,
tangentially, why you dare not trust "it renders in the browser" as a
testing tool; it's amazing what a modern browser can figure out how to
render.)

Reading your email in plain text could (it doesn't, or at least didn't
use to, in the case of Thunderbird) take that rendering step out of the
process and closes the security hole.

I use a program called mutt to read email; it's a command-line only
console email application for unixes.  HTML mail gets rendered into
plain text through a text-only browser that has no awareness of what
javascript *is*, never mind support for it, and no plugin
infrastructure.

Links are displayed in a format I can open in the regular browser if I
want to; images get dropped on the floor.

-- Graydon (who is typing this using Vim; lots of people would consider
that Going Too Far)

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Mat Maessen]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> And many other examples from across the printer universe.
> Some aspect(s) of the change to a 64-bit system apparently blew many/most
> existing print drivers away. And for companies like Epson, Canon, and HP
> with a huge long list of printer models, a one year advance notice from
> Apple apparently wasn't enough time. Or they didn't care.

I had an Epson printer driver for Windows XP that hosed my system to
the point that I needed to reinstall to get printing to work at all. I
still haven't seen anything that bad in the OS X world.

-Mat

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Stan Halpin]

Until recently, I would have totally agreed Matt. However,
Epson r2880 vs. OSX 10.6.x
And many other examples from across the printer universe.
Some aspect(s) of the change to a 64-bit system apparently blew many/ 
most existing print drivers away. And for companies like Epson, Canon,  
and HP with a huge long list of printer models, a one year advance  
notice from Apple apparently wasn't enough time. Or they didn't care.


stan

On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, William Robb   
wrote:
You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is  
that the

virus writers mostly leave you guys alone.


This whole thread reminded me of one of the other advantages of Macs.

I have never had to deal with a malfunctioning device driver. No pain,
it just works.

-Mat


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Mat Maessen]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, William Robb  wrote:
> You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is that the
> virus writers mostly leave you guys alone.

This whole thread reminded me of one of the other advantages of Macs.

I have never had to deal with a malfunctioning device driver. No pain,
it just works.

-Mat

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Margus Männik]

Dario Bonazza wrote:

Tim Bray wrote:


On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash  wrote:

...and gives it a 'highly recommended':

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/


And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T


And a lot better! For that reason, some time ago I wrote I'd love a 
K-7 with the K-x sensor.


Dario

... and K20D body, please!

Margus



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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Graydon]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:13:31AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
> - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts"
> Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
>> Interesting. My $94.00 ATI works just like your old nVidia.
> I'm sure the law of diminished returns comes into play here. I was, for 
> some reason, expecting that spending more would not give me less.

"That sounds like a bizarre driver issue" is something no one wants to
hear, but could well be the case.  94 dollar cards don't have driver
issues because the drivers are couple of years old and have all the bugs
hammered out.  400 dollar cards, not so much.  ATI releases drivers
monthly so it's probably a good idea to check for an update.

-- Graydon

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Re: GESO - A Marinoni for Christmas (caution: Bike Pron)

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:02 AM, David Mann  wrote:

> What a lovely frame.  I'm not sure how my partner would react if someone gave 
> me another bike :)
>
> My own dream would be a custom-made Llewellyn but really a bike is a bike and 
> if I'm riding I'm happy.

I have so many dream bikes, I don't dare start.  That being said, I've
always wanted a Marinoni, likely due to it's Italian heritage and
because they're made in Canada.  And, I've always loved lugged steel
road bikes.

In a month or two, once I get it put together I'll post some more pix.
 Absolutely nothing exotic going on it in the parts department - quite
the contrary, it'll be a mish-mash of Campy and Shimano, even Suntour
shifters!  One day I hope to get all Campy on it, but for now I just
want to get it on the road.

Thanks to all who commented!

cheers,
frank


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Re: PESO - Dropped Threads at Osgoode Station

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Christine  Aguila
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> That's fun, Frank!    Cheers, Christine

Thanks to everyone who commented.  I'm thinking that might be one of
the ones I submit to the Pentax Annual thingie that's upcoming soon...

cheers,
frank


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PESO - The Christmas Window

[frank theriault]

 As many of you know, when I was a kid I lived in Montreal.  There
were no less than four major department stores downtown back then
(don't know how many there are now, but I know that in Toronto there's
only one of the old stores left).  It was always a treat to be brought
downtown by my father during the Christmas season.  We always had to
walk by all four stores, to look at the Christmas windows.  Morgan's
was at one end of the shopping area of St. Catherine's Street (the
main drag), and we always started there and walked west to finish at
Ogilvy's.  Ogilvy's had to be last, because they always had the best
windows.  They alternated annually between two completely different
animated woodland scenes.

Sometimes the crowd was three or four thick in front of Ogilvy's
window - people stood there forever, just watching.  My dad would
always exhort me to push my way to the front;  being a kid had some
privileges, I guess.  He'd wait patiently at the back of the crowd for
me, never once telling me to hurry or that it was time to go.

I think he enjoyed it as much as me.

As I said, Toronto has one grand old department store left:  it was
once Robert Simpson's, now it's the flagship store for the Bay
(Hudson's Bay Company).  I saw this mother and daughter enjoying one
of their windows, and the memories came flooding back:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/christmas-window.html

I would have liked to taken a few more than this one, but the fur
protesters caught my attention, and the one I took of them was the
last of the roll.

Leica CL, Summicron C 40mm, Ilford HP5+

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

cheers,
frank



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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "P N Stenquist"

Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card




On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


On 12/24/09 12:39 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along 
java

etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of employment,  we
are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the mail server
strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if there is a  link
to an image associated with a news story, for example, the link is
rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply click to view.


HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs 
(individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript  and 
there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing  the true 
destination of links to much nastier stuff.


But frankly, sending HTML email is just plain rude unless someone's 
asked to get their email that way. Most places ask you which format  you 
want.


Though, come to think of it, everything I've ever received from B&H  has 
been in plain text (with the HTML version as an attachment).




Good to know. I've never had a problem that I'm aware of, so I  probably 
won't worry about it. But I appreciate the info.


You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is that the 
virus writers mostly leave you guys alone.


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Re: wow. was Re: two more years

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 
Subject: Re: wow. was Re: two more years




Almost hate to ask what we don't get for $40.00



I was wondering what 25 bucks would or wouldn't get.

William Robb

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[P N Stenquist]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


On 12/24/09 12:39 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along  
java
etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of employment,  
we

are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the mail server
strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if there is a  
link

to an image associated with a news story, for example, the link is
rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply click to view.


HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs  
(individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript  
and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing  
the true destination of links to much nastier stuff.


But frankly, sending HTML email is just plain rude unless someone's  
asked to get their email that way. Most places ask you which format  
you want.


Though, come to think of it, everything I've ever received from B&H  
has been in plain text (with the HTML version as an attachment).




Good to know. I've never had a problem that I'm aware of, so I  
probably won't worry about it. But I appreciate the info.

Paul



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Re: Happy Holidays PDML!

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Nice photo.
>>
>> Good to see i have a twin out there somewere.;-)
>
>  You don't look anything like Christine!
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank

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Re: wow. was Re: two more years

[David J Brooks]

Almost hate to ask what we don't get for $40.00

Dave

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> Sorry I haven't responded sooner. The whole family has been suffering some
> sort of vesuvian bug and we're just getting back on our feet. It's been
> quite disgusting.
>
> But anyway, I was not soliciting donations. You're all very nice, and I
> really thank those of you who actually sent me money. I'll add it to the
> PDML fund, and if I do ask for donations in future, I'll do it PBS-style,
> and offer some kind of reward, like for twenty bucks I'll send you a print
> or thirty bucks will save you from getting a print.
>
> But again, thank you for the funds. They'll pay for a couple more months.
>
> I wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season.
>
> Doug
>
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Re: Happy Holidays PDML!

[eactivist]

In a message dated 12/24/2009 12:31:37 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009  at 11:37 AM, David J Brooks  
wrote:
> Nice  photo.
>
> Good to see i have a twin out there  somewere.;-)

You don't look anything like  Christine!

;-)

cheers,
frank

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He's entitled  to a Xmas wish.

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Re: PESO - Two Towers

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Ira H. Bryant IV
 wrote:
>
> As the end of the year approaches I have been looking at the pictures I took 
> this year.  I have two I would like to share.  They don't have too much in 
> common, other than they both involve a tower and they were both taken with 
> the DA21.
>
> The first is from the bottom of a cellphone tower looking up.  If you look 
> closely you can see a man climbing down it.
>
> 
>
> The second is from the top of Macau Tower, looking down.
>
> 
>
> Thanks for looking, and I appreciate any feedback on the pictures.

Both are very good photos.  Can't really choose a fave, since they're
so different.  I like the perspective of the first one, how it gives
the impression of great height.

As for the second, I like the choice to go monochrome.  I also like
the composition, with all those curves, arcs and swirls, juxtaposed
against that bold geometric pattern .  Very dynamic!

Well done.

cheers,
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Re: OT?: Wireless question

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In a message dated 12/24/2009 11:55:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
p...@paper-ape.com writes:
as has been noted, you already have a wireless  router (the Airport 
Express), which apparently works with your iBook, so it  should need no 
further configuration; you'll just need to set up your  Windows machine 
to for wifi (which i won't attempt to  explain)

alternatively, it sounds like you may have a working ethernet  connection 
to the Windows machine for wifi, perhaps from an ethernet port on  the 
back of the DSL modem; if so, then you could just run a longer ethernet  
cable to the DSL modem -- these cables can be very long without  

==
Although, I sadly, I am apparently completely out of date  on setting up a 
home network, I still recommend a USB plug-in wireless adapter  for a 
Windows machine. Works fine and no cards to bother with.

Well, I  did set up my network a while back. But it also seems that these 
days I hit  the old fogey mark a lot sooner than I used to. 
 
marnie aka doe  :-(

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Re: Happy Holidays PDML!

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Nice photo.
>
> Good to see i have a twin out there somewere.;-)

 You don't look anything like Christine!

;-)

cheers,
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Re: wow. was Re: two more years

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> And thank you very much for all the effort you put into the PDML !

Second that!

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Re: OT?: Wireless question

[steve harley]

On 2009-12-24 08:02 , David J Brooks wrote:

Right now, i have a 25' phone cable coming out of the airport express
or dsl modem to a phone jack down stairs. If i move the PC i think i
might need a longer cable, which apparently is a no no at the lenght i
have now.


as has been noted, you already have a wireless router (the Airport 
Express), which apparently works with your iBook, so it should need no 
further configuration; you'll just need to set up your Windows machine 
to for wifi (which i won't attempt to explain)


alternatively, it sounds like you may have a working ethernet connection 
to the Windows machine for wifi, perhaps from an ethernet port on the 
back of the DSL modem; if so, then you could just run a longer ethernet 
cable to the DSL modem -- these cables can be very long without 
degrading the signal as can happen with long telephone cables




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Re: Carbon Fiber Tripod Recommendation?

[Mark Roberts]

eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 12/24/2009 5:17:14 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
>m...@robertstech.com writes:
>Steve Sharpe  wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know about the Flashpoint tripods from Adorama?  I'm 
>>considering  one.
>>
>>http://www.adorama.com/FPTPF1128.html
>
>Yes, I was just  about to post a note to Marnie recommending them. I
>have one and it'd very  good. Amazing value for the money.
>
>Oh, cool to  know. Thx.

The one I have is the 1328:
http://www.adorama.com/FPTPF1328.html?sid=126168217485783

Well-made, really solid, excellent value.


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Mark Roberts]

John Sessoms wrote:

> I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread.

You're not.


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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Thomas Cakalic]

I like by pictures taken in the dark to look that way, so I'd never
use the high ISO settings.  :-)

2009/12/24 Margus Männik :
> Tim Bray wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ...and gives it a 'highly recommended':
>>>
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/
>>>
>>
>> And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T
>>
>
> Yes, and they're absolutely correct. I tested the camera for 3 weeks and as
> a result, K-7 doesn't impress me any more. It's dark here...
>
> BR, Margus
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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Margus Männik]

Tim Bray wrote:

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash  wrote:
  

...and gives it a 'highly recommended':

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/



And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T
  
Yes, and they're absolutely correct. I tested the camera for 3 weeks and 
as a result, K-7 doesn't impress me any more. It's dark here...


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Re: Carbon Fiber Tripod Recommendation?

[Thomas Cakalic]

I suspect there is a huge markup over cost on these items by the mfr.
The technology is not rocket science (maybe came from it) at this
point in time.

Tom

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message - From: "Thomas Cakalic" 
>
>> Subject: Re: Carbon Fiber Tripod Recommendation?
>
> Snip
>
>> I understand where you're coming from.  If you're too tired out by the
>> time you reach your destination, it's unlikely you'll have the focus
>> to produce excellently composed photographs.
>
> Boy is that the truth !
>
> I've been using an old Gitzo (non CF) ever since I got my 600. After
> traipsing around Denali with it I upgraded to a Gitzo 1548 CF to save a few
> pounds. I recently sold the 1548 and a Bogen 3221 (used all other times) &
> got a Gitzo 3530LS that weighs less than either the 1548 or the Bogen - so
> one tripod for all usage and a   weight save to boot ! But that weight save
> doesn't come cheap.
>
>> Tom
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am thinking abot getting a carbon fiber tripod. My
>>> current one is too heavy, so I rarely use it (always makes me
>>> think that standard tripods are a "guy thing" -- i.e. lots
>>> of upper body strength to lug around).
>>> t
>>> Want light, want one that goes fairly tall (I am tall), and
>>> one that collapses to a fairly short length.
>>>
>>> And I want to keep it around $300 max.
>>>
>>> Don't want a lot, do I? ;-)
>>>
>>> I've been looking online and the Velbon El Carmagne seems
>>> doable. My hesitation is that I have a Velbon non-carbon
>>> fiber now and don't like it much (admittedly it was only
>>> about $70). I mean it's okay and workable, but the pan and
>>> tilt head moves even after I have it clamped all down and I
>>> have found that highly annoying. I don't like ball heads much.
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with it or some other that they can recommend?
>>
>> No experience with this, but some comments.
>>
>> You should be able to get the head separately from the legs, and choose
>> the
>> head you want. You have to spend a bit more to get a pan/tilt head that
>> doesn't shift slightly when you tighten it. At the price you're looking at
>> I
>> would expect to be able to choose the head separately from the legs.
>>
>> The legs you're looking at have 4 sections, and this can be a bit of a
>> pain
>> to put up and down. It also tends to mean that one of the sections my be a
>> bit thin and weak. I prefer to have 3 sections because it's easier to
>> handle
>> and stronger, although longer when folded.
>>
>> Bob
>
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Re: wow. was Re: two more years

[Ken Waller]

And thank you very much for all the effort you put into the PDML !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" 

Subject: wow. was Re: two more years


Sorry I haven't responded sooner. The whole family has been suffering some 
sort of vesuvian bug and we're just getting back on our feet. It's been 
quite disgusting.


But anyway, I was not soliciting donations. You're all very nice, and I 
really thank those of you who actually sent me money. I'll add it to the 
PDML fund, and if I do ask for donations in future, I'll do it PBS-style, 
and offer some kind of reward, like for twenty bucks I'll send you a print 
or thirty bucks will save you from getting a print.


But again, thank you for the funds. They'll pay for a couple more months.

I wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season.

Doug


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[John Francis]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:29:12PM -0500, P N Stenquist wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this trouble 
> to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't present any 
> problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or Linux thing?
> Paul

I can't speak for others, but in my case I read my email on a BSD system
and/or a linux box.  In each case I'm just using a dumb text terminal on
the remote system (even if it ends up in a window on my home notebook).

I could also point out the the RFCs for email transmission mandate a
plain text alternative be available.  Unfortunately far too many mail
clients choose to ignore this when sending messages.


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

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On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist  wrote:
> >
>  I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this trouble to
> avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't present any problem.
> Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or Linux thing?

Why not shoot Canon or Nikon?  Why use a Mac?  It's a matter of
preference.  I prefer my information intake raw and will tune out the
dancing, shiny, noisy crap.  Besides the security risks that have
already been mentioned, some of us are not impressed by "advertising".
 In other words, for a small minority, if you want to market something
to us you'd better do it as simply and unobtrusively as possible.
Otherwise, we'll just turn you off and go do something else.

Companies like B&H and Campmor have figured this out.  B&H sends along
an HTML attachment that I can choose to never see.  Campor's HTML
messages degrade very nicely into a human readable plain text format.
It doesn't take much more effort on their part, and they are able to
market to those of us who don't want to see, or who can't see, the
HTML message.

Mark mentioned that most businesses will give you the option of
choosing HTML vs. plain text.  I think this isn't as widespread as it
used to be.  Unfortunately.

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Re: wow. was Re: two more years

[eactivist]

In a message dated 12/24/2009 10:31:41 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
d...@alphoto.com writes:
I wish everyone a happy and  healthy holiday season.

Doug

=
Ugh, sorry re bug,  same to you Doug!

Marnie aka Doe ;-) Though I still think condemning us  to two more years of 
this is cruel and unusual.  

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Re: Cheap battery grip

[Boris Liberman]

On 12/22/2009 6:32 PM, William Robb wrote:

It's not just about battery life. Shoot a lot of verticlas and you will
learn very quickly to like the grip. I'd buy (and did buy) the Pentax
one on general principals, but the price difference isn't as great here,
either.

William Robb


On the other side, my K-7 and Galia's K10D barely fit together into my 
bag. Since I don't want to buy another bag we get to save the money and 
we also shoot without grips...


The killer feature for the grip is vertical shooting with 0.5 kg of 
flash attached for, say, 2 hours. Your wrist will thank you for not 
forcing it to hold the camera vertically without the grip.


Boris


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wow. was Re: two more years

[Doug Brewer]

Sorry I haven't responded sooner. The whole family has been suffering 
some sort of vesuvian bug and we're just getting back on our feet. It's 
been quite disgusting.


But anyway, I was not soliciting donations. You're all very nice, and I 
really thank those of you who actually sent me money. I'll add it to the 
PDML fund, and if I do ask for donations in future, I'll do it 
PBS-style, and offer some kind of reward, like for twenty bucks I'll 
send you a print or thirty bucks will save you from getting a print.


But again, thank you for the funds. They'll pay for a couple more months.

I wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season.

Doug


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Re: OT - Samsung NX10

[Boris Liberman]

On 12/24/2009 8:20 PM, Jim King wrote:

That would be Pentax, who have their hands full making their own lenses
today. (The Samsung Schneider lenses are just rebadged versions of
Pentax lenses.)

Regards, Jim


Jim, I am thinking that as long as Pentax gains from this whatever 
profit they are set out to gain, they will produce more Schneider badged 
lenses "happily thereafter"...


Boris





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Best of the Season folks

[Bran Everseeking]

hope every one has some relaxation over the the past while and the
while to come.

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Re: Carbon Fiber Tripod Recommendation?

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Cakalic" 



Subject: Re: Carbon Fiber Tripod Recommendation?


Snip


I understand where you're coming from.  If you're too tired out by the
time you reach your destination, it's unlikely you'll have the focus
to produce excellently composed photographs.


Boy is that the truth !

I've been using an old Gitzo (non CF) ever since I got my 600. After 
traipsing around Denali with it I upgraded to a Gitzo 1548 CF to save a few 
pounds. I recently sold the 1548 and a Bogen 3221 (used all other times) & 
got a Gitzo 3530LS that weighs less than either the 1548 or the Bogen - so 
one tripod for all usage and a   weight save to boot ! But that weight save 
doesn't come cheap.



Tom




On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Bob W  wrote:

I am thinking abot getting a carbon fiber tripod. My
current one is too heavy, so I rarely use it (always makes me
think that standard tripods are a "guy thing" -- i.e. lots
of upper body strength to lug around).
t
Want light, want one that goes fairly tall (I am tall), and
one that collapses to a fairly short length.

And I want to keep it around $300 max.

Don't want a lot, do I? ;-)

I've been looking online and the Velbon El Carmagne seems
doable. My hesitation is that I have a Velbon non-carbon
fiber now and don't like it much (admittedly it was only
about $70). I mean it's okay and workable, but the pan and
tilt head moves even after I have it clamped all down and I
have found that highly annoying. I don't like ball heads much.

Anyone have experience with it or some other that they can recommend?


No experience with this, but some comments.

You should be able to get the head separately from the legs, and choose 
the

head you want. You have to spend a bit more to get a pan/tilt head that
doesn't shift slightly when you tighten it. At the price you're looking at 
I

would expect to be able to choose the head separately from the legs.

The legs you're looking at have 4 sections, and this can be a bit of a 
pain

to put up and down. It also tends to mean that one of the sections my be a
bit thin and weak. I prefer to have 3 sections because it's easier to 
handle

and stronger, although longer when folded.

Bob



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Re: OT - Samsung NX10

[Jim King]

John Sessoms wrote on Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:15:44 -0800

(snip)
I think Samsung Corporation owns Schneider, or owns the Schneider  
brand name. I'd think whoever made the Schneider D-Xenon and D- 
Xenogon lenses for them can provide whatever they need for this mount.


That would be Pentax, who have their hands full making their own  
lenses today.  (The Samsung Schneider lenses are just rebadged  
versions of Pentax lenses.)


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Re: Wireless question

[Paul Sorenson]

Adding to all other replies, LinkSys has some good video tutorials on 
networking here...


http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/learningcenter

If your Mac already works wireless, you already have a wireless router 
built into the modem.  Unless your motherboard has on-board wireless, 
you will need a wireless card and its software to add to your PC.  BTW, 
if the install instructions tell you to run the CD software before you 
install the card, be sure to do it that way, otherwise you'll spend a 
bunch of time trying to figure out why things aren't working.   ;>)


-p

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks"
Subject: Re: Wireless question



On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, William Robb  wrote:
So, i'll need to add a card to the PC, is that correct.??

I have read some of the flyers and plan to get one w=that allows 
firewall

etc.


Check your motherboard specs. Some (like my old ASUS) had wireless 
built in,

others (like my new Gigabyte) don't.
Odds are you will be adding a card though.
I think all routers these days have built in firewalls. Doesn't help 
unless

you password protect the network though.
If you want to be really anal, you can close down your network to just 
the

MAC addresses of your individual computers.
Note, PC's have MAC addresses. It stands for Media Access Control 
address.
I've found WinXP pro to be very easy to make work on a wireless 
network, it wants to be networked.
Vista wasn't so easy, it wants to network but is afraid of the 
consequences so it won't actually do it unless you talk really nice 
and reassure it that it will be OK.


William Robb





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Re: PESO - Two Towers

[Ira H. Bryant IV]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:12:29 -0500
John Sessoms  wrote:

 
> What? No Orcs?  ;-D
> 

Sorry, the ring has already been destroyed. Thanks to you, Jack, Bob, David, 
and everyone else who looked and commented.

Ira

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Re: PESO - Two Towers

[Ira H. Bryant IV]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:56:33 -0800
Tim Bray  wrote:

> 
> Both way cool, especially the graceful curves and clouds of the first.
>  And more evidence, were any needed, that the DA21 is *the* Pentax
> lens. -T
> 

Thanks Tim. The DA21 is my favorite lens. It renders colors beautifully.

Ira

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

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In a message dated 12/24/2009 8:02:26 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:
> And I'm not  complaining about B&H, I was only comparing their email  
>  marketing to what I received from Tiger Direct.

===
Frankly, I  don't care about spam. When it comes to buying camera 
equipment, I care about  pricing, that they have what I want in stock, and that 
they 
mail quickly. And,  well, that they don't mess up my orders. 

I've mainly ordered from  Adorama in the past (because they are usually 
slightly lower than B&H), but  I've also ordered from B&H too. No complaints 
about either -- both have  handled my orders well. I've even canceled orders 
twice with Adorama, with no  problems. No spam from either that I recall, 
except for receiving slow mail  brochures, which I don't mind paging through 
now and then.

There must be  someway to tell them you don't want emails. I always check 
the no box anytime I  order anything from anyone online (re wanting updates, 
etc.). So there must be a  place to say no.

Marnie aka Doe  

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[Rob Studdert]

On 25/12/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:

> I haven't had time to read the entire review. Does dpreview quantify the 
> difference in noise? I know my k7 is better than my k20.

Glad you made sense of my previous post, I couldn't after the fact ;-)

The review states more than once that they think the Kx offers better
low light/high ISO performance than the K7 and it seems to be
corroborated with numerous anecdotal reports. Ceheck the following
user test under the headding "Dynamic range (revisited)", it looks
like the Kx's DR is similar to the Nikon D700 at low ISO's some feat.

http://falklumo.blogspot.com/2009/12/lumolabs-sensors-of-nikon-d700-d5000.html

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Mark Roberts]

On 12/24/09 12:39 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along java
etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of employment, we
are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the mail server
strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if there is a link
to an image associated with a news story, for example, the link is
rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply click to view.


HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs 
(individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and 
there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true 
destination of links to much nastier stuff.


But frankly, sending HTML email is just plain rude unless someone's 
asked to get their email that way. Most places ask you which format you 
want.


Though, come to think of it, everything I've ever received from B&H has 
been in plain text (with the HTML version as an attachment).



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Re: OT - Epic journey to Oz

[Rob Studdert]

On 25/12/2009, John Sessoms  wrote:

> I don't know if there's any reason not to just assign a maximum weight of
> carry-on for each passenger instead of a maximum weight per bag and a two
> bag limit, other than if someone *IS* going to drop their bag on me trying
> to stuff it into the overhead, a 15 pound bag will hurt less than a 30 pound
> bag.

Apart from the obvious requirements to limit total weight I'd imagine
that the bag weight limit is due to a combination of OH&S regulations
and the practical safety aspects associated with overhead storage.

Santa's been at my place, Jr got up at 3:30 and he's staying up!

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Re: OT?: Wireless question

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In a message dated 12/24/2009 7:03:01 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
pentko...@gmail.com writes:
Do i just plug in the  wireless router and it will feed to the dsl
modem.?? If so, i can move the  modems down stairs, use a shorter
cable.

Any help is  appreciated.

Dave



Basically, yes. But you may have  to play around and put it in various 
places to see where the signal is strongest  (usually there will be something 
on 
your computer's status bar -- ie software --  that shows how strong the 
signal is so you can compare spots). Think of the  signal as a straight line. I 
put an aluminum foil lined "hood" on one antenna of  my router to help 
focus the signal (and that actually works).  

http://lifehacker.com/296367/boost-your-wireless-signal-with-a-homemade-wifi
-extender
(Though  mine doesn't look like that, I made square angle of cardboard and 
put aluminum  foil on one side, you can google that too. I needed to do it 
because initially  my signal was too weak.) 

I found the signal to be the weakest when what  would be the line of sight 
of the signal passed through the area of the kitchen  that the refrigerator 
is in. I also found that a lot of closed doors between the  router and the 
computers sometimes cut down on the signal strength.

For  my desktops I got a wireless adaptors (little things that plug into 
USB ports,  my desktops had no wireless hardware inside). I have two different 
brands, and  both seem to work equally well. So probably any old wireless 
adapter is fine. It  does seem to help if the router isn't too far from the 
wireless adapters,  though.

Actually, the software is the toughest part. Windows XP and above  comes 
with wireless software built-in, but setting up a home network with it can  be 
a bitch. Do a lot of googling to search for some tutorials (i.e. My Network 
 Places). That is, if you have Windows.

Hope that helps.

Marnie aka  Doe :-)

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Stan Halpin]

There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along  
java etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of  
employment, we are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the  
mail server strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if  
there is a link to an image associated with a news story, for example,  
the link is rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply  
click to view.


stan

On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:29 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:



On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:


On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist  wrote:


On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the  
only one

who just deletes HTML email unread.




Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-).


When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail.  It seems fewer
and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more
work.  I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text.  So
all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is  
usually a

list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of
images.  If I can't make out what message was about without clicking
on a bunch of crap it goes to /dev/null and I'll attempt to
unsubscribe.  Campmor's advertising degrades quite nicely and I can
read them just fine as plain text.  They seem to be the exception.

I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this  
trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't  
present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or  
Linux thing?

Paul



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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[P N Stenquist]

On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:


On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist  wrote:


On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the  
only one

who just deletes HTML email unread.




Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-).


When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail.  It seems fewer
and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more
work.  I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text.  So
all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is usually a
list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of
images.  If I can't make out what message was about without clicking
on a bunch of crap it goes to /dev/null and I'll attempt to
unsubscribe.  Campmor's advertising degrades quite nicely and I can
read them just fine as plain text.  They seem to be the exception.

I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this  
trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't  
present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or  
Linux thing?

Paul



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Re: Carbon Fiber Tripod Recommendation?

[eactivist]

In a message dated 12/24/2009 5:17:14 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
m...@robertstech.com writes:
Steve Sharpe  wrote:

>Does anyone know about the Flashpoint tripods from Adorama?  I'm 
>considering  one.
>
>http://www.adorama.com/FPTPF1128.html

Yes, I was just  about to post a note to Marnie recommending them. I
have one and it'd very  good. Amazing value for the money.


=
Oh, cool to  know. Thx.

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Re: OT - Samsung NX10

[Dario Bonazza]

John Sessoms wrote:



From: "Dario Bonazza"

Martin Trautmann wrote:



> Brian Walters wrote:
>

>> Just came across this while looking for something else.
>>
>> 
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pentax-samsung-dslr/163567-samsung-nx10.html
>>
>> Does this have basically the same sensor as the K20/K7?

>
> What puzzles me more: what kind of mount is this? I can't imagine that 
> Samsung does want to build a full range of lenses on their own.


No big problem in my opinion, because:

1) They probably need just 4 lenses in their range (a standard zoom, a 
tele zoom, a pancake prime and a superzoom for video). That's the way 
consumer electronics companies think about photography. See Panasonic.


2) Samsung will subcontract lens manufacturing to any company capable and 
willing to do that.


I think Samsung Corporation owns Schneider, or owns the Schneider brand 
name. I'd think whoever made the Schneider D-Xenon and D-Xenogon lenses 
for them can provide whatever they need for this mount.


;-) True, and that falls into No.2 above.

Dario 



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Re: OT - Samsung NX10

[John Sessoms]

From: "Dario Bonazza"

Martin Trautmann wrote:



> Brian Walters wrote:
>

>> Just came across this while looking for something else.
>>
>> 
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pentax-samsung-dslr/163567-samsung-nx10.html
>>
>> Does this have basically the same sensor as the K20/K7?

>
> What puzzles me more: what kind of mount is this? I can't imagine that 
> Samsung does want to build a full range of lenses on their own.


No big problem in my opinion, because:

1) They probably need just 4 lenses in their range (a standard zoom, a tele 
zoom, a pancake prime and a superzoom for video). That's the way consumer 
electronics companies think about photography. See Panasonic.


2) Samsung will subcontract lens manufacturing to any company capable and 
willing to do that.


I think Samsung Corporation owns Schneider, or owns the Schneider brand 
name. I'd think whoever made the Schneider D-Xenon and D-Xenogon lenses 
for them can provide whatever they need for this mount.


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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[Scott Loveless]

On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist  wrote:
>
>  On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> >
> > I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one
> who just deletes HTML email unread.
> >
> >
>  Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-).

When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail.  It seems fewer
and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more
work.  I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text.  So
all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is usually a
list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of
images.  If I can't make out what message was about without clicking
on a bunch of crap it goes to /dev/null and I'll attempt to
unsubscribe.  Campmor's advertising degrades quite nicely and I can
read them just fine as plain text.  They seem to be the exception.

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Re: OT - Epic journey to Oz

[Cotty]

On 24/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

> if someone *IS* going to drop their bag on me
>trying to stuff it into the overhead, a 15 pound bag will hurt less than
>a 30 pound bag.

But not as much as a 45 lb bag ;-)

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Re: OT?: Wireless question

[Cotty]

On 24/12/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Anyway, if/when i finally get the computer out of the dining room, i
>think it would be best to go wireless on the PC. I already have
>airport on the iBook.
>
>What is involved in setting this up. I'm clueless to this and was
>hoping to get some advice before i wonder into Future shop or Best buy
>etc.
>
>Right now, i have a 25' phone cable coming out of the airport express
>or dsl modem to a phone jack down stairs. If i move the PC i think i
>might need a longer cable, which apparently is a no no at the lenght i
>have now.
>Do i just plug in the wireless router and it will feed to the dsl
>modem.?? If so, i can move the modems down stairs, use a shorter
>cable.

Since you already have an Airport wireless system in place, why not just
get a wi-fi card for the PC? I assume this would mean an aerial and
associated electronics in the form of a wi-fi card either inside the PC
or externally?

If it is a relatively new PC it may even have a wi-fi card in it?

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