Re: Rumor Canon and Sony fighting over Pentax

[Brian Walters]

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:20 -0400, "P. J. Alling"
 wrote:
> http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/05/50d-going-away-hints/
> 
> I don't know what it means.  Have fun speculating.  I think I'm going to 
> bed.
> 



Is it April 1?

It's been a while since we had a good rumour to chew over. This one
sounds particularly stupid, but then again



Cheers

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Re: OT: Shootings in Cumbria

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:36 -0400, "Doug Brewer"  wrote:
> Please join me in wishing the best for those affected by the shooting 
> rampage. It is a dark day in Cumbria and the rest of Britain. My heart 
> goes out.
> 

Yes indeed.  A particularly pointless loss of life.


Cheers

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Re: OT: Shootings in Cumbria

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/3/2010 10:02 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:36 -0400, "Doug Brewer"  wrote:

Please join me in wishing the best for those affected by the shooting
rampage. It is a dark day in Cumbria and the rest of Britain. My heart
goes out.



Yes indeed.  A particularly pointless loss of life.


Cheers

Brian


Pointless indeed.

*sigh*

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Re: Pentax problems

[Boris Liberman]

For the record:

My *istD made about 10,000 exposures before we parted our ways. It was 
perfectly fine in all respects at that time. My K10D made about 23,000 
exposures so far and going strong. My K-7 made slightly more than 7,000 
exposures as well. No discernible problems just yet.


Boris

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Re: Shootings in Cumbria

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" 

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Subject: OT: Shootings in Cumbria


Please join me in wishing the best for those affected by the shooting 
rampage. It is a dark day in Cumbria and the rest of Britain. My heart 
goes out.



Indeed.  Sad news.


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Re: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks for posting, Dan, even as depressing as it is to see.  Cheers, 
Christine



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Subject: OT: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster



http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/

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Re: GESO - A day of dance

[Christine Aguila]

Those are fun, Chris.  Love the green fiddle being played by the person in 
blue in the 2nd picture.  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: GESO - A day of dance



WARNING: Contains images of gratuitous Morris dancing.


From Upton House and the village of Bampton in Oxfordshire:

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/

K7 and DA*50-135.

Sorry that there are no references to forgotten children - just thought 
I'd

be a bit controversial and post some pictures instead.

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Re: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries

[Christine Aguila]

Nice set, Paul.  The portrait of Ann is especially nice, and I agree with 
Bob Sullivan.  Your bean shot is very nice.  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: GESO - Probably the last of the Chicago galleries



A few from the gallery opening and Millennium Park...

http://www.studio1941.com/pdml_chicago/index.html

Pentax K-X w/ either FA 50/1.4 or Tamron 28-200

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Re: GESO - Chicago May 2010 - Day 1

[Christine Aguila]

That's fun, Tom.  Nice sense of pattern, shape, and color.  Cheers, 
Christine



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Subject: GESO - Chicago May 2010 - Day 1



http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=505078

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Re: Zombie Walk through Boston

[Christine Aguila]

Fun set, David.  You caught lots of great expressions, and the Zombie face 
painting is impressive.  Looks like a fun event to photograph.  Cheers, 
Christine



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Subject: GESO: Zombie Walk through Boston



http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157624039413171/

I attended a Zombie March through downtown Boston yesterday.  It was
tons of fun, and highly recommended if there is one in your area.

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Re: Pentax problems

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

MikeM  wrote:

> My K-100 lasted a couple of years before starting to reboot intermittently
> and Pentax said it needed the circuit board replaced. My K10 lasted a bit
> over a year before the shutter apparently starting sticking open. Now my K-x
> shutter button has started sticking down after it is pressed after a couple
> of months. Is Pentax quality control getting worse, or is it my luck that is
> getting worse?

My *istDS suffers from hang-ups and erratic operation of its controls,
most of all the thumbwheel. The K10D has been doing alright, so far. But
my K-7 has developed the sticky release button problem you're describing
for your K-x, after less than a year. Add to this a number of nagging
firmware probs with the K-7 that have not been corrected over several
releases and the overall picture isn't very favourable. Especially not
since the legendary Pentax service has been outsourced, last year, and
hasn't exactly been a model of customer care since.

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Re: PESO- Shafts

[Christine Aguila]

Beautiful!  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 6:19 PM
Subject: PESO- Shafts



On a campout over the weekend - early morning light cutting through
the trees.

Pentax K-x, DA *50-135/2.8 @ 50mm
ISO 1600, 1/400 sec @ f/7.1, Handheld

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00115-1.htm

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Re: Pentax problems

[Anthony Farr]

If I had such a run of bad luck I'd be looking for a common influence.
 How about a bad SD card that you've used in all the cameras?  Do you
download the cards with a card reader or by connecting your cameras to
your computer (possible bad usb ju-ju)?  Do you get funky humidity
where you live?  How about EMF interference?

I speak from experience.  A while ago my little family moved in with
the in-laws while our house was being renovated.  Every single piece
of computer gear that I ever plugged in there crapped out in the
following two years, and the computer itself had a power supply unit
fail and replaced while there.  My brother-in-law has had well above
the odds of premature failures himself.

regards, Anthony

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On 3 June 2010 15:42, MikeM  wrote:
> My K-100 lasted a couple of years before starting to reboot intermittently
> and Pentax said it needed the circuit board replaced. My K10 lasted a bit
> over a year before the shutter apparently starting sticking open. Now my K-x
> shutter button has started sticking down after it is pressed after a couple
> of months. Is Pentax quality control getting worse, or is it my luck that is
> getting worse?
>
> Could I expect other brands of DSLR to last any longer before repairs are
> needed?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
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Re: PAW21 - Another wet bike

[Christine Aguila]

That's great.  Love it!  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:33 PM
Subject: PAW21 - Another wet bike



Spring picture
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA*16-50mm, @16mm, 1/90, f/13, ISO200

The previous PAWs are here:
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/page7.html

DagT

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Re: GESO Kaye Bohler at JJ's blues

[Christine Aguila]

That's a very nice set, Larry.  BW renderings look nice too.Nice work. 
Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
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Subject: GESO Kaye Bohler at JJ's blues


I went to JJ's blues last night. There wasn't anyone to dance with, so I 
played with the camera.  K-x with FA 77.


The light balance at JJ's seems to have been scientifically engineered to 
make it impossible to get decent photos, without actually doing anything 
at all artistic or creative.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624167766640/
but you may find this link easier to look at
http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624167766640/

As usual, it seems that once I threw away all the ones that were total 
trash I was left with my choice of a sharp photo, or a good moment.


These were tough because she had come down off the stage, out of the 
light, into the crowd and the guy was about two feet from me, which is a 
bit close for the 77:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4653730416/in/set-72157624167766640/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4653113687/in/set-72157624167766640/

I didn't have time to bump the ISO, so I just cranked the shutter speed 
down "enough" which ended up being 1/8 second.

Despite the blur, I kind of like them.

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Re: Geso - Chigago - few more shots (couple of pdmlers there)

[Christine Aguila]

Another very nice set of Chicago.  That Meg is delightfully photogenic--nice 
job, Sasha!  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: Geso - Chigago - few more shots (couple of pdmlers there)



http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=chicago&d=posted-20100525-20100525&ss=2&ct=0&mt=photos&w=31026628%40N04&adv=1

will appear eventually on flickriver as well:

http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/

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Re: Rumor Canon and Sony fighting over Pentax

[Anthony Farr]

How sweet, they're fighting over us.

Actually, it seems that Sony is just fighting Pentax and everyone else
besides for their customers.  Canon, like a lot of businesses, would
be open to the idea of absorbing any small competitor but Hoya has
already 'mopped up' Pentax.  It's always possible that Hoya has got
what it wanted from Pentax and is ready to spit out the husk.

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On 3 June 2010 13:20, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/05/50d-going-away-hints/
>
> I don't know what it means.  Have fun speculating.  I think I'm going to
> bed.
>
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Re: Diner and Hot Dog Stand

[Christine Aguila]

Love it!  Nice one, Dan.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO: Diner and Hot Dog Stand



>From our visit to The Big Apple this weekend:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070367

Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, and Abuse are Welcome!

Dan

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Re: Approaching GFM

[Cotty]

On 2/6/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Don Nelson, the organizer of the Nature Photography Weekend, was there,
>having arrived yesterday. Many of you will have heard much about him
>over the years and seen the video of the tribute they/we held for him
>last year after his long and grueling bout with Hodgkin's Lymphoma.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Cotty]

On 2/6/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've yet to see any of them to get an image to open in Photoshop on
>first try. Same problems I have ... Oops I clicked it and it's opened
>the wrong program. Close that one and drag it onto the Photoshop icon.

Bizarre. Something drastically wrong here, I have no such problems

>
>Where did the toolbar go? Where did the file land when it fell off the
>mouse pointer on the desktop? Finally got it open, did what I wanted to
>do to it, and want to save it to a certain location.

When you first got in a car, I presume you had no instruction whatsoever
and simple put your hands on the steering wheel expecting it to make a
loud noise and move forward?

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Cotty]

On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.

All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke.

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RE: Early 1900s in Colour

[Bob W]

for the record, Tone sent the link

> 
> Bob,  thanks for that link -
> wonderful stuff
[...]
> >>>By Albert Kahn:
> >>>
> >>>http://citynoise.org/article/10598
> >>>
> >>>Toine


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Rob Studdert]

On 03/06/2010, Cotty  wrote:

> When you first got in a car, I presume you had no instruction whatsoever
> and simple put your hands on the steering wheel expecting it to make a
> loud noise and move forward?

Fortunately no license is required to operate a toaster.

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RE: Are cameras the new guns?

[Bob W]

> 
> http://m.gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns
> 

the answer to that is No. If you carry a camera you get arrested
immediately. If you carry a gun you can drive around the countryside
shooting people at random.




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On topic of lenses and enablement, for a change

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

I'm thinking of two things that I might want to do next with my gear 
cabinet.


1. Galia seems to have a liking of shooting small things. I seem to have 
a liking of making her use 50 mm lens, to which she does not really 
protest. Adding these two, I am thinking of buying a 50 mm macro lens 
for her. The alternatives are FA 50/2.8 and DFA 50/2.8. Except price, 
weight and build differences - is there any sense to prefer one to 
another? I am leaning towards FA variety, but I am open to opinions.


2. Call me a snob, but I want to replace my Tamron 28-75/2.8 with Pentax 
FA* 28-70/2.8. A number of issues here. They seem to be on sale on 
eekbay for a bit over USD 1k.


Would anyone from USA agree to buy one for me, test it properly and then 
send it along? I realize it is a lot of hassle should the specific 
sample proves suboptimal, so that feel free to keep your silence. If you 
decide to talk - let it be off list.


Another issue is mechanical longevity. Tamron's made is said to be more 
towards the consumer grade - plastic and such. What about Pentax? What 
are the chances that buying one, I'd end up with pile of mechanical issues?


And finally, if any one from the list want to enable be with any of the 
above, I would gladly consider the offer. It is because, obviously, 
dealing with PDML is much more reliable and pleasant than eekbay adventures.


Thanks in advance.

Boris

P.S. Immediately or even along with going about FA* 28-70/2.8 I will be 
selling my Tamron 28-75/2.8... So you have an opportunity here as well.


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Rob Studdert]

On 03/06/2010, Cotty  wrote:
> On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.
>
> All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke.

And be forced to use a Mac for eternity I figure, dog help us.

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RE: OT - Abobe Woes

[Bob W]

> 
> >OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.
> 
> All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke.
> 

I'll be ok, I have a fire-retardant black polo-neck.



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Cotty]

On 3/6/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'll be ok, I have a fire-retardant black polo-neck.

Any true mac fan has the apple logo branded on his chest. Across a nipple.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[David Mann]

On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:17 AM, steve harley wrote:

> On 2010-06-02 04:06 , David Mann wrote:
>> For something that was created on a Mac, the system stores extra data that 
>> associates the file with the program that created it.
> 
> this was true until 10.6 ... starting with Snow Leopard, the creator code 
> associations are no longer respected by the system and the filename extension 
> rules all; this is a huge step backward, imo, because many workflows involve 
> the same _types_ of files opening in different applications

Damn, I used to use that all the time on my workstation.  I used to associate 
big jpg files with Photoshop and small ones with Preview.

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RE: Are cameras the new guns?

[Malcolm Smith]

> Bob W wrote:

> > http://m.gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns
> >
> 
> the answer to that is No. If you carry a camera you get arrested
> immediately. If you carry a gun you can drive around the countryside
> shooting people at random.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/388599576_54671e13e7.jpg

I have one of these in a box somewhere upstairs. Goodness knows where I
could use it now in this day and age.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/3/2010 11:05 AM, Cotty wrote:

On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:


OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.


All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke.


See you there ;-).

Boris

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 Joseph McAllister :
>> Doesn't say a thing about the quality of the system, of course. But
>> Apple will eventually find itself in trouble if they don't deliver to
>> this group.
>>
> They do.
>
> You can use your Mac (iMac, MacBook, Whatever) right out of the box. Just
> like you can drive a new car off the lot without looking at the manual. But
> just like your car, you had better sit down and read the owner's manual and
> get an inkling of when to change the oil, where the fuse panel is, and a
> plethora of other niceties that will make your ownership for the life of the
> product more enjoyable and comfortable to operate.

The comparison to car driving crossed my mind too. Computers are
becoming tools every bit as ubiquitous as cars. However, most
societies require drivers to prove their skills by obtaining a license
before they can legally drive out of that parking lot. Maybe that
should be introduced for computers as well.

> Many new Mac users do not read manuals until something goes wrong. It's in
> their genes, and external programming that makes them think it is so.

Apart from the genes thing, that's exactly my point. A system
cushioning the users with the impression that everything about the
system is simple and intuitive doesn't help the situation one bit.

Microsoft does try to catch up with Apple at every new OS launch,
though. Marketing dept's are the same everywhere i guess... But the
system most successfully getting the "simple" message across, will
also attract the "simplest" users.

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Re: Milton Keynes PDML meeting

[mike wilson]

On 2 June 2010 19:47, Chris Mitchell  wrote:
> Just a reminder - we're going to Bletchley Park on Sunday 6 June (D-Day).
> www.bletchleypark.org.uk
>
> At the moment it's just Bob W and me (Cotty has found a lame excuse related
> to earning money).
>
> So any other UK (or nearby) PDMLers who want to rescue me from spending the
> day on my own with the charming and erudite Bob Walkden, please form an
> orderly queue.

This onerous duty falls to all of us, in time.  Highly unlikely that I
will be able to attend but will call Bob if opportunity presents.

>
> I'll be picking Bob up from MK railway station at approx 11am and handing
> over his signed copy of the PDML book [the one which says "what a shame you
> couldn't come to Chicago instead of Chris" ;-) ]. We'll see some MK sights,
> have the traditional PDML spot of lunch and go to Bletchley Park afterwards.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 Cotty :
> On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.
>
> All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke.

Sometimes it really gives a better perspective being atheist.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/2 steve harley :
> i think Apple attempts to address these needs with an "appliance" approach
> rather than "study the user manual, practice, stress about it and maybe
> you'll get it right"; i personally believe that simplicity is overrated, but
> i also see that Apple's (and Microsoft's, and others') attempts in these
> areas do actually help people; for example the fact that Time Machine kicks
> in automatically on Macs means that a lot of people who would be haphazard
> or completely negligent with backups are actually getting decent backups
> without much effort; i have read many testimonials that "Time Machine saved
> my butt"

Many products will do the same for PCs, despite not being made by the OS vendor.


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Re: Are cameras the new guns?

[Cotty]

On 3/6/10, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/388599576_54671e13e7.jpg
>
>I have one of these in a box somewhere upstairs. Goodness knows where I
>could use it now in this day and age.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/2 steve harley :

> however Macs are extremely configurable for those who learn how; for example
> Time Machine may not be the best solution for photographers; among other
> reasons, those who use Lightroom or Aperture may wind up storing versions of
> databases that store versions, or users may already be exploiting backup
> features in these applications ... so photographers need to know how to
> configure Time Machine to avoid redundant redundancy, or how to choose an
> alternate backup scheme

For those who learn how, nothing is difficult. My gripe with this was
that Apple seem to attract the users least likely to be bothered with
just that. Such a trust in any computer system seems quite unhealthy
to me.

Or are there any Mac users here who can stand up and guarantee that a
Mac and a Time Machine will provide adequate backup of all user data
straight out of the box. From reading that famous document, the
manual, I'm not convinced.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Cotty]

On 3/6/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

>For those who learn how, nothing is difficult. My gripe with this was
>that Apple seem to attract the users least likely to be bothered with
>just that. Such a trust in any computer system seems quite unhealthy
>to me.

Strange as it may seem, there are plenty of people in the world who
would like to use a computer for various tasks - say, accessing the
internet, Skyping distant relatives, writing a letter to the bank - but
who are not the least bit interested in understanding how it works, how
to manage it better, how to improve it, how to accomplish other tasks
with it. In my opinion, the Mac can appeal to this type of person *as
well as* the complete opposite.

I first bought a computer not because I wanted to get 'into computing',
rather because I wanted to achieve something specific: scanning and
printing negatives. I'm not the slightest bit interested in how it
works, as long as it works.

Along the way, I have since learned of other things I can accomplish
using the computer, and these include using a spreadsheet for my
accounts, writing letters, and editing video to name a few. I've learned
how to backup my vital data (like my video files and important letters
and accounts) because if the computer crashes, I still want my important bits.

I built 2 web sites but haven't touched the HTML. Sure they are limited
in scope, but they do what I want them to do.

That fact that Apple (seems to) attracts users least likely to be
bothered with learning 'how' is far from a gripe - it is actually a big
selling point, and indeed was such when the Mac was first launched.

Apologies - time to go soothe the nipple ;)

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Re: Rumor Canon and Sony fighting over Pentax

[eckinator]

One comment from the post:
"Catastrophile says:
May 28, 2010 at 1:24 am
Pentax has an upcoming camera with a detachable sensor that can be
manually shifted for stabilization! That’s why Canon and Sony want to
buy it."
Almost worthy of a Mark...
Cheers
Ecke
BTW IMHO if there is any truth to this, why think so far - why would
not one company increase its marketshare by owning a 2nd one. Plus you
can lose some aspects in your ex-competitor's line-up that hurt your
sales. If I were to think what's top on the hit list, I'd say
affordable weather sealing.

2010/6/3 Anthony Farr :
> How sweet, they're fighting over us.
>
> Actually, it seems that Sony is just fighting Pentax and everyone else
> besides for their customers.  Canon, like a lot of businesses, would
> be open to the idea of absorbing any small competitor but Hoya has
> already 'mopped up' Pentax.  It's always possible that Hoya has got
> what it wanted from Pentax and is ready to spit out the husk.
>
> regards, Anthony
>
>    "Of what use is lens and light
>    to those who lack in mind and sight"
>                                               (Anon)
>
>
>
> On 3 June 2010 13:20, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/05/50d-going-away-hints/
>>
>> I don't know what it means.  Have fun speculating.  I think I'm going to
>> bed.
>>
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Re: Are cameras the new guns?

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2010/6/3 Cotty :
> On 3/6/10, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/388599576_54671e13e7.jpg
>>
>>I have one of these in a box somewhere upstairs. Goodness knows where I
>>could use it now in this day and age.
>
> Aircraft photography?

Definitely, and a green laser scope for that perfect shot, too...
you'd be shot in the back from a distance 41 times for resisting
arrest for sure...

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 Cotty :
> That fact that Apple (seems to) attracts users least likely to be
> bothered with learning 'how' is far from a gripe - it is actually a big
> selling point, and indeed was such when the Mac was first launched.

My comment was not about the quality of the _system_ but an
observation about a sample of its users. This is only a problem for
the system insofar as it does not live up to the user's expectations.
It is generally true that the less knowledge one has, the more
unrealistic one's expectations will be. Partly because expectations
are tempered by marketing lingo. So Apple's toting of their system as
"simple" has set unrealistic expectations with the least competent
users.

Of course it's a good selling point for Apple, and they're hyping it
for all it's worth. In my opinion for more than it's really worth. At
the end of the day there's no substitute for knowing what you're doing
with a computer, regardless of brand.

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Re: On topic of lenses and enablement, for a change

[eckinator]

Hi Boris,
I could hook you up with a DFA 50. I'd say LNIB to LNIB-. Please
contact me offlist if you're interested.
Cheers
Ecke

2010/6/3 Boris Liberman :
> Hi!
>
> I'm thinking of two things that I might want to do next with my gear
> cabinet.
>
> 1. Galia seems to have a liking of shooting small things. I seem to have a
> liking of making her use 50 mm lens, to which she does not really protest.
> Adding these two, I am thinking of buying a 50 mm macro lens for her. The
> alternatives are FA 50/2.8 and DFA 50/2.8. Except price, weight and build
> differences - is there any sense to prefer one to another? I am leaning
> towards FA variety, but I am open to opinions.
>
> 2. Call me a snob, but I want to replace my Tamron 28-75/2.8 with Pentax FA*
> 28-70/2.8. A number of issues here. They seem to be on sale on eekbay for a
> bit over USD 1k.
>
> Would anyone from USA agree to buy one for me, test it properly and then
> send it along? I realize it is a lot of hassle should the specific sample
> proves suboptimal, so that feel free to keep your silence. If you decide to
> talk - let it be off list.
>
> Another issue is mechanical longevity. Tamron's made is said to be more
> towards the consumer grade - plastic and such. What about Pentax? What are
> the chances that buying one, I'd end up with pile of mechanical issues?
>
> And finally, if any one from the list want to enable be with any of the
> above, I would gladly consider the offer. It is because, obviously, dealing
> with PDML is much more reliable and pleasant than eekbay adventures.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Boris
>
> P.S. Immediately or even along with going about FA* 28-70/2.8 I will be
> selling my Tamron 28-75/2.8... So you have an opportunity here as well.
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Re: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster

[eckinator]

Ouch... ty Dan!
This should be used in schools al lover the world imvho
Cheers
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2010/6/3 Christine  Aguila :
> Thanks for posting, Dan, even as depressing as it is to see.  Cheers,
> Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> 
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>> http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/
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Re: OT: Shootings in Cumbria

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Nothing we can do will help the dead so I pray for the living and hope
there will be something learned on the way to one day keeping one from
falling into such depths of despair as to see no other way out.

Ecke

2010/6/3 Doug Brewer :
> Please join me in wishing the best for those affected by the shooting
> rampage. It is a dark day in Cumbria and the rest of Britain. My heart goes
> out.
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Re: OT GPS Devices

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2010/6/3 Adam Maas :
>>>
>>> Every *IDIOT* I see on the roads now-a-days has a GPS stuck to their
>>> windshield.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's cause & effect (either direction), but there IS for
>>> sure a very strong correlation.
>>
>> right, the smart people drive with a sextant because they're the ones who
>> really understand how navigation works
>
> The smart people drive with a route list made in advance. Simple, easy
> and FAR less distracting. Runs on paper.

One would think that of all people the SMART ones would be the ones
OPEN to diversity and variety of opinion...

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Re: Diner and Hot Dog Stand

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Cool shot, Dan. Are they giving you free dogs anywhere yet?
Cheers
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2010/6/3 Christine  Aguila :
> Love it!  Nice one, Dan.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> 
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> Subject: PESO: Diner and Hot Dog Stand
>
>
>> >From our visit to The Big Apple this weekend:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070367
>>
>> Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, and Abuse are Welcome!
>>
>> Dan
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[paul stenquist]

On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:18 AM, AlunFoto wrote:

> 2010/6/2 steve harley :
> 
>> however Macs are extremely configurable for those who learn how; for example
>> Time Machine may not be the best solution for photographers; among other
>> reasons, those who use Lightroom or Aperture may wind up storing versions of
>> databases that store versions, or users may already be exploiting backup
>> features in these applications ... so photographers need to know how to
>> configure Time Machine to avoid redundant redundancy, or how to choose an
>> alternate backup scheme
> 
> For those who learn how, nothing is difficult. My gripe with this was
> that Apple seem to attract the users least likely to be bothered with
> just that. Such a trust in any computer system seems quite unhealthy
> to me.
> 
> Or are there any Mac users here who can stand up and guarantee that a
> Mac and a Time Machine will provide adequate backup of all user data
> straight out of the box. From reading that famous document, the
> manual, I'm not convinced.
> 
> Jostein
> 
I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without difficulty. It 
seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any real action. It even 
backs up my encrypted files and enables restoration of them if they're lost or 
inadvertently altered. 

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RE: Are cameras the new guns?

[Malcolm Smith]

> Cotty wrote:

> >I have one of these in a box somewhere upstairs. Goodness knows where
> I
> >could use it now in this day and age.
> 
> Aircraft photography?

Surrounded by other photographers you might get away with that, but given
recent events, anything that looks slightly different from a normal camera
might be more problematical in use.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 paul stenquist :
> I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without difficulty. 
> It seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any real action. It 
> even backs up my encrypted files and enables restoration of them if they're 
> lost or inadvertently altered.

Thanks Paul. :-)

two questions...
I know you're an advanced user... Have you verified, by manual means
or otherwise, that all the data you wish to back up are being
included?

The ultimate purpose of a backup is restore. Do you have any
experience with restoring data from a Time Machine (TM)?

Jostein

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:15 -0400, "paul stenquist"
 wrote:
> 
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:18 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
> 
> > 2010/6/2 steve harley :
> > 
> >> however Macs are extremely configurable for those who learn how; for 
> >> example
> >> Time Machine may not be the best solution for photographers; among other
> >> reasons, those who use Lightroom or Aperture may wind up storing versions 
> >> of
> >> databases that store versions, or users may already be exploiting backup
> >> features in these applications ... so photographers need to know how to
> >> configure Time Machine to avoid redundant redundancy, or how to choose an
> >> alternate backup scheme
> > 
> > For those who learn how, nothing is difficult. My gripe with this was
> > that Apple seem to attract the users least likely to be bothered with
> > just that. Such a trust in any computer system seems quite unhealthy
> > to me.
> > 
> > Or are there any Mac users here who can stand up and guarantee that a
> > Mac and a Time Machine will provide adequate backup of all user data
> > straight out of the box. From reading that famous document, the
> > manual, I'm not convinced.
> > 
> > Jostein
> > 
> I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without
> difficulty. It seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any
> real action. It even backs up my encrypted files and enables restoration
> of them if they're lost or inadvertently altered. 
> 


Hmmm.

I somewhaty innocently started this thread so I dip in now and then to
try to understand how it's managed to develop into such a monolith.

The trouble is, now I have no idea at all what any of you are talking
about..



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PESO: Yosemite

[Jack Davis]

Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley. Spectacular under most any 
conditions, this past winter's extra moisture has added even more drama.
This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant pool of Merced River 
overflow along the edge of a meadow. A fortunate discovery.

Comments certainly welcome.

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Re: Pentax problems

[Jack Davis]

Depends on how unlucky you plan to be in the future. ;)
I think you're overdue for a luck change for the better.

Jack

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> Subject: Pentax problems
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:42 PM
> My K-100 lasted a couple of years
> before starting to reboot intermittently and Pentax said it
> needed the circuit board replaced. My K10 lasted a bit over
> a year before the shutter apparently starting sticking open.
> Now my K-x shutter button has started sticking down after it
> is pressed after a couple of months. Is Pentax quality
> control getting worse, or is it my luck that is getting
> worse?
> 
> Could I expect other brands of DSLR to last any longer
> before repairs are needed?
> 
> Thanks
> Mike 
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 Brian Walters :
> Hmmm.
>
> I somewhaty innocently started this thread so I dip in now and then to
> try to understand how it's managed to develop into such a monolith.
>
> The trouble is, now I have no idea at all what any of you are talking
> about..

No worries, mate.

Some just found it odd  how mr. Butzi blamed Adobe exclusively, when
an Apple upgrade precipitated his problem. From there it branched out
in various facets of Apple/Microsoft/Adobe bashing. It has been mostly
about OS'es, a little bit about DRM, and not at all about photography.

I made a snide remark implying that Apple attract the most
tecnologiacally ignorant users by marketing their system as simpler
than the competition, and have questioned (with examples) whether
Apple can actually deliver enough to take away the need for computer
competance all together. Some arguments have been made to the
contrary, but either way it's not convincing anyone to change their
stance.

Oh, and Joe McAllister has tried to win some branch of argument by
message precision bombing, I think.

All in good fun and religious reverie. :-)


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Re: On topic of lenses and enablement, for a change

[Jack Davis]

Boris, this Pentax lens is an extremely well made "tank." I enjoyed one for 
several years and sold in for a bit over $1,000 USD a couple years ago. I felt 
it somewhat heavy and "sides" all this new D glass was out.
I bought the DA* 50~135, did some semi serious comparisons with the FA 28~70 
f/2.8 and decided to let it go. I'm sure it's pleasing it's current owner 
somewhere.

Jack

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> Subject: On topic of lenses and enablement, for a change
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 1:08 AM
> Hi!
> 
> I'm thinking of two things that I might want to do next
> with my gear cabinet.
> 
> 1. Galia seems to have a liking of shooting small things. I
> seem to have a liking of making her use 50 mm lens, to which
> she does not really protest. Adding these two, I am thinking
> of buying a 50 mm macro lens for her. The alternatives are
> FA 50/2.8 and DFA 50/2.8. Except price, weight and build
> differences - is there any sense to prefer one to another? I
> am leaning towards FA variety, but I am open to opinions.
> 
> 2. Call me a snob, but I want to replace my Tamron
> 28-75/2.8 with Pentax FA* 28-70/2.8. A number of issues
> here. They seem to be on sale on eekbay for a bit over USD
> 1k.
> 
> Would anyone from USA agree to buy one for me, test it
> properly and then send it along? I realize it is a lot of
> hassle should the specific sample proves suboptimal, so that
> feel free to keep your silence. If you decide to talk - let
> it be off list.
> 
> Another issue is mechanical longevity. Tamron's made is
> said to be more towards the consumer grade - plastic and
> such. What about Pentax? What are the chances that buying
> one, I'd end up with pile of mechanical issues?
> 
> And finally, if any one from the list want to enable be
> with any of the above, I would gladly consider the offer. It
> is because, obviously, dealing with PDML is much more
> reliable and pleasant than eekbay adventures.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Boris
> 
> P.S. Immediately or even along with going about FA*
> 28-70/2.8 I will be selling my Tamron 28-75/2.8... So you
> have an opportunity here as well.
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Re: Are cameras the new guns?

[eckinator]

Yes and be on the lookout for any Apaches hovering on the horizon.
Anything longer than 70 mm might be mistaken for an AK or an RPG... =(

2010/6/3 Malcolm Smith :
>> Cotty wrote:
>
>> >I have one of these in a box somewhere upstairs. Goodness knows where
>> I
>> >could use it now in this day and age.
>>
>> Aircraft photography?
>
> Surrounded by other photographers you might get away with that, but given
> recent events, anything that looks slightly different from a normal camera
> might be more problematical in use.
>
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P. J. Alling]

So you admit that Mac worship is a religion?

On 6/3/2010 12:35 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

On Jun 2, 2010, at 19:22 , P. J. Alling wrote:


This still cracks me up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWxC8ezE4Dk



Every religion (W)(A) is filled with crackpots who deride other's in 
hopes you will follow their ideas, usually to your detriment in the 
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 AlunFoto :
> I made a snide remark implying that Apple attract the most
> tecnologiacally ignorant users by marketing...

Technologically, that would be. Fell under a spell, I guess... :-)


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Re: Early 1900s in Colour

[eckinator]

sweet - thank yo ufor sharing =)
ecke

2010/6/2 Toine :
> By Albert Kahn:
>
> http://citynoise.org/article/10598
>
> Toine
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 12:34 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 03/06/2010, Joseph McAllister  wrote:

   

God, the rigidity of the mind of one who is schooled in the way of Windows
before seeing the true enlightened way of the Mac!
 

OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.

   

Well now you know.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 4:55 AM, AlunFoto wrote:

2010/6/3 Cotty:
   

On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

 

OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.
   

All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke.
 

Sometimes it really gives a better perspective being atheist.

   

Linux user then?

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Re: Rumor Canon and Sony fighting over Pentax

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 3:01 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:20 -0400, "P. J. Alling"
  wrote:
   

http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/05/50d-going-away-hints/

I don't know what it means.  Have fun speculating.  I think I'm going to
bed.

 



Is it April 1?

It's been a while since we had a good rumour to chew over. This one
sounds particularly stupid, but then again
   


Hey, I was bored, I decided to see if there were any rumors about a new 
K-7 successor or a K-[?] above it in the line and I found this.


I don't make up the news I just report it.




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Re: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster

[P. J. Alling]

Since when have /you/ been /very/ /humble/?

On 6/3/2010 6:13 AM, eckinator wrote:

Ouch... ty Dan!
This should be used in schools al lover the world imvho
Cheers
Ecke

2010/6/3 Christine  Aguila:
   

Thanks for posting, Dan, even as depressing as it is to see.  Cheers,
Christine


- Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:44 PM
Subject: OT: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster


 

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Re: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster

[eckinator]

Think I should humble down a bit then? If so , please say so.

2010/6/3 P. J. Alling :
> Since when have /you/ been /very/ /humble/?
>
> On 6/3/2010 6:13 AM, eckinator wrote:
>>
>> Ouch... ty Dan!
>> This should be used in schools al lover the world imvho
>> Cheers
>> Ecke
>>
>> 2010/6/3 Christine  Aguila:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting, Dan, even as depressing as it is to see.  Cheers,
>>> Christine
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>>> 
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:44 PM
>>> Subject: OT: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 4:05 AM, Cotty wrote:

On 3/6/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

   

OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.
 

All Windows users will burn in hell - no joke.
   


No they won't they /know/ they've served their time in hell.


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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 7:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley. Spectacular under most any 
conditions, this past winter's extra moisture has added even more drama.
This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant pool of Merced River 
overflow along the edge of a meadow. A fortunate discovery.

Comments certainly welcome.

Jack

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Dammit, I'm really unlikely to get to Yosemite any time soon...

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Re: Pentax problems

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 1:42 AM, MikeM wrote:
My K-100 lasted a couple of years before starting to reboot 
intermittently and Pentax said it needed the circuit board replaced. 
My K10 lasted a bit over a year before the shutter apparently starting 
sticking open. Now my K-x shutter button has started sticking down 
after it is pressed after a couple of months. Is Pentax quality 
control getting worse, or is it my luck that is getting worse?


Could I expect other brands of DSLR to last any longer before repairs 
are needed?


Thanks
Mike




I don't have any data on the earlier Ks but both *ist-D needs a circute 
board, (but the fact that I dropped it a couple of times probably 
accounts for that.  The *ist-Ds had been well used and AFAIKT dispite 
beign a bit scruffy works perfectly.  The K20D has to go to repar, the 
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Anthony Farr]

On 3 June 2010 22:47, P. J. Alling  wrote:

>>
>> OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.
>>
>>
>
> Well now you know.
>

This guy already knew, and dressed appropriately:

http://poorlydressed.com/2010/01/19/fashion-fail-think-different-but-not-that-different/

or

http://tinyurl.com/y94va9e

regards, Anthony

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to those who lack in mind and sight"
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Re: Pentax problems

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 3:39 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

MikeM  wrote:

   

My K-100 lasted a couple of years before starting to reboot intermittently
and Pentax said it needed the circuit board replaced. My K10 lasted a bit
over a year before the shutter apparently starting sticking open. Now my K-x
shutter button has started sticking down after it is pressed after a couple
of months. Is Pentax quality control getting worse, or is it my luck that is
getting worse?
 

My *istDS suffers from hang-ups and erratic operation of its controls,
most of all the thumbwheel. The K10D has been doing alright, so far. But
my K-7 has developed the sticky release button problem you're describing
for your K-x, after less than a year. Add to this a number of nagging
firmware probs with the K-7 that have not been corrected over several
releases and the overall picture isn't very favourable. Especially not
since the legendary Pentax service has been outsourced, last year, and
hasn't exactly been a model of customer care since.

Ralf

   
Get some "tuner cleaner",  I was looking for a non lubricating, but 
couldn't find any so settled on a lubricating variety, solved the 
thumbwheel problems with the *ist-Ds.  I haven't had problems with the 
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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Oh, wow, that is just stunning.  I think that the dead tree takes its
out of the ordinary "postcard pretty" category and makes it much more
interesting.

Dan

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:01 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> On 6/3/2010 7:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>
>> Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley. Spectacular under
>> most any conditions, this past winter's extra moisture has added even more
>> drama.
>> This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant pool of Merced River
>> overflow along the edge of a meadow. A fortunate discovery.
>>
>> Comments certainly welcome.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=511
>>
>> K20, da16...@24mm, f/11, 1/45, ISO 200, Manfrotto 3001 tripod w/med ball
>> head.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Dammit, I'm really unlikely to get to Yosemite any time soon...
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Re: Milton Keynes PDML meeting

[Doug Brewer]

Chris Mitchell wrote:

Just a reminder - we're going to Bletchley Park on Sunday 6 June (D-Day).
www.bletchleypark.org.uk

At the moment it's just Bob W and me (Cotty has found a lame excuse related
to earning money).

So any other UK (or nearby) PDMLers who want to rescue me from spending the
day on my own with the charming and erudite Bob Walkden, please form an
orderly queue.

I'll be picking Bob up from MK railway station at approx 11am and handing
over his signed copy of the PDML book [the one which says "what a shame you
couldn't come to Chicago instead of Chris" ;-) ]. We'll see some MK sights,
have the traditional PDML spot of lunch and go to Bletchley Park afterwards.

Chris





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PESO Japanese Iris

[Bruce Walker]

Took this shot a week ago and mostly forgot about it until Dominique 
commented on it favourably at Flickr.


http://decluttr.com/4643613382

K20D, smc P-DA* 55mm F1.4 SDM, 1/60th, f/8.0, ISO 200.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 9:03 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:

On 3 June 2010 22:47, P. J. Alling  wrote:

   

OMG it is a religion! I thought the concept was a joke.


   

Well now you know.

 

This guy already knew, and dressed appropriately:

http://poorlydressed.com/2010/01/19/fashion-fail-think-different-but-not-that-different/

or

http://tinyurl.com/y94va9e
   


Well, gee thanks for that, now I must really go wash my eyes out with 
bleach.



regards, Anthony

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2010 2:01 AM, Cotty wrote:



When you first got in a car, I presume you had no instruction whatsoever
and simple put your hands on the steering wheel expecting it to make a
loud noise and move forward?



My understanding is that is more or less how Macs are sold.
"They just work"

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Re: Pentax problems

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 9:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

On 6/3/2010 1:42 AM, MikeM wrote:
My K-100 lasted a couple of years before starting to reboot 
intermittently and Pentax said it needed the circuit board replaced. 
My K10 lasted a bit over a year before the shutter apparently 
starting sticking open. Now my K-x shutter button has started 
sticking down after it is pressed after a couple of months. Is Pentax 
quality control getting worse, or is it my luck that is getting worse?


Could I expect other brands of DSLR to last any longer before repairs 
are needed?


Thanks
Mike




I don't have any data on the earlier Ks but both *ist-D needs a 
circute board, (but the fact that I dropped it a couple of times 
probably accounts for that.  The *ist-Ds had been well used and AFAIKT 
dispite beign a bit scruffy works perfectly.  The K20D has to go to 
repar, the SD card door latch snapped off, but that was my fault.




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Re: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster

[AlunFoto]

Original post didn't make it to my inbox, but thanks for posting, Dan!
Got me curious about big it is in a historic perspective. There's a
list of large spills on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_spill#Largest_oil_spills

The Deepwater Horizon is definately a big one. It looks set to make
top five, maybe even top three.

Very, very sad.

Jostein

2010/6/3 Christine  Aguila :
> Thanks for posting, Dan, even as depressing as it is to see.  Cheers,
> Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:44 PM
> Subject: OT: Visualizing the BP Oil Disaster
>
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>> http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P. J. Alling]

On 6/3/2010 9:19 AM, William Robb wrote:

On 03/06/2010 2:01 AM, Cotty wrote:



When you first got in a car, I presume you had no instruction whatsoever
and simple put your hands on the steering wheel expecting it to make a
loud noise and move forward?



My understanding is that is more or less how Macs are sold.
"They just work"



As you know, cars just work too.

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Re: PESO Japanese Iris

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is just super!  Great color, nice patterns, wonderful composition.

Dan

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Took this shot a week ago and mostly forgot about it until Dominique
> commented on it favourably at Flickr.
>
> http://decluttr.com/4643613382
>
> K20D, smc P-DA* 55mm F1.4 SDM, 1/60th, f/8.0, ISO 200.
>
> I stood on tippy toes straight above it while my wife kindly held the
> AF-540FGZ a little above to the left. I'd attached to the flash a Honl Speed
> Snoot unrolled as a reflector.
>
> -bmw
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2010 5:56 AM, AlunFoto wrote:


I made a snide remark implying that Apple attract the most
tecnologiacally ignorant users


And I confirmed it with another snide remark.
Don't forget about that


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Re: Pentax problems

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Whoa is me!

Dan

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:23 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> On 6/3/2010 9:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> On 6/3/2010 1:42 AM, MikeM wrote:
>>>
>>> My K-100 lasted a couple of years before starting to reboot
>>> intermittently and Pentax said it needed the circuit board replaced. My K10
>>> lasted a bit over a year before the shutter apparently starting sticking
>>> open. Now my K-x shutter button has started sticking down after it is
>>> pressed after a couple of months. Is Pentax quality control getting worse,
>>> or is it my luck that is getting worse?
>>>
>>> Could I expect other brands of DSLR to last any longer before repairs are
>>> needed?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't have any data on the earlier Ks but both *ist-D needs a circute
>> board, (but the fact that I dropped it a couple of times probably accounts
>> for that.  The *ist-Ds had been well used and AFAIKT dispite beign a bit
>> scruffy works perfectly.  The K20D has to go to repar, the SD card door
>> latch snapped off, but that was my fault.
>>
>
> The spell checker failed me!  Oh woe, Oh woe...
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Re: Diner and Hot Dog Stand

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Christine and Ecke!

Dan

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, eckinator  wrote:
> Cool shot, Dan. Are they giving you free dogs anywhere yet?
> Cheers
> Ecke
>
> 2010/6/3 Christine  Aguila :
>> Love it!  Nice one, Dan.  Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>> 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:53 PM
>> Subject: PESO: Diner and Hot Dog Stand
>>
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>>> >From our visit to The Big Apple this weekend:
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070367
>>>
>>> Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, and Abuse are Welcome!
>>>
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2010 7:25 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:



As you know, cars just work too.

Interestingly enough, I had to take my truck back to the dealer during 
it's first rainstorm because I both couldn't get the windshield wipers 
to work and also couldn't figure it out from the little drawing in the 
manual.

It was a brain fart of massive proportions, but there you go...

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Re: Early 1900s in Colour

[mike wilson]

Anyone recognise the biplane about halfway down?  The flechettes on
the ground in front of it suggest _very_ early WWI.  Or are they
beumbs?

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Re: Pentax problems

[Bruce Dayton]

Can't answer as to quality control.  For my own personal experience:
*ist D X 2 - both with over 50K exposures, both still work.  1 K10D
about 25K exposures - still works. 1 K20D about 17K exposures - still
works.  1 K-x about 15K exposures - still works.

Seems to be about the opposite experience to yours.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:42:34 PM, you wrote:

M> My K-100 lasted a couple of years before starting to reboot intermittently
M> and Pentax said it needed the circuit board replaced. My K10 lasted a bit
M> over a year before the shutter apparently starting sticking open. Now my K-x
M> shutter button has started sticking down after it is pressed after a couple
M> of months. Is Pentax quality control getting worse, or is it my luck that is
M> getting worse?

M> Could I expect other brands of DSLR to last any longer before repairs are
M> needed?

M> Thanks
M> Mike 






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Re: Early 1900s in Colour

[Bong Manayon]

Timely!  I'm teaching History of Photography!  Thanks!

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Toine  wrote:
> By Albert Kahn:
>
> http://citynoise.org/article/10598
>
> Toine
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Re: Pentax problems

[Roman Melihhov]

It's your karma. Only problem I had with my K20D was one hard dust
particle that stuck to the sensor. Thanks to the dust alert I'd located
it at removed with sticky silicone sticks (or whatever they call these
dust removal sticks). And I thought I'd never have to touch sensor
low-pass glass again since *istDL.

;)




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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[P N Stenquist]

On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:40 AM, AlunFoto wrote:


2010/6/3 paul stenquist :
I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without  
difficulty. It seems to do an excellent job without my having to  
take any real action. It even backs up my encrypted files and  
enables restoration of them if they're lost or inadvertently altered.


Thanks Paul. :-)

two questions...
I know you're an advanced user... Have you verified, by manual means
or otherwise, that all the data you wish to back up are being
included?

The ultimate purpose of a backup is restore. Do you have any
experience with restoring data from a Time Machine (TM)?



Im not really an advanced user in the manner of all the IT people that  
populate this list. I learn only what I need to know.
But Time Machine has worked fine for me. I restored my full startup  
drive after replacing a noisy unit, and every file and app performed  
flawlessly, as near as I could tell. Still running on the restored  
system and apps.


I have no idea if Time Machine is a perfect solution, but it works  
fine for me. I rely on it to back up the 600 gig startup drive only.  
and it writes to a second 500 gig drive. The startup drive is only  
about 1/3 full and it pretty much stays at that level. The Time  
Machine backup is 90% full, and it stays at that level. I believe it  
automatically discards the oldest backups at that point.


I keep my photo files on eight external drives. Two of the largest are  
backup only. I transfer critical files to those manually about once a  
week or whenever I have important files on hand. The most important  
files are on three drives. I also have a set of DVD backups for photo  
files. I also back up some critical files to on-line servers.

Paul



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 William Robb :
> And I confirmed it with another snide remark.
> Don't forget about that

Certainly not. Credits are due. :-)



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

Thanks Paul.
It's the best testimony for Time machine I've seen so far. :-)

Jostein

2010/6/3 P N Stenquist :
>
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:40 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
>
>> 2010/6/3 paul stenquist :
>>>
>>> I've restored from Time Machine on a number of occasions without
>>> difficulty. It seems to do an excellent job without my having to take any
>>> real action. It even backs up my encrypted files and enables restoration of
>>> them if they're lost or inadvertently altered.
>>
>> Thanks Paul. :-)
>>
>> two questions...
>> I know you're an advanced user... Have you verified, by manual means
>> or otherwise, that all the data you wish to back up are being
>> included?
>>
>> The ultimate purpose of a backup is restore. Do you have any
>> experience with restoring data from a Time Machine (TM)?
>>
>
> Im not really an advanced user in the manner of all the IT people that
> populate this list. I learn only what I need to know.
> But Time Machine has worked fine for me. I restored my full startup drive
> after replacing a noisy unit, and every file and app performed flawlessly,
> as near as I could tell. Still running on the restored system and apps.
>
> I have no idea if Time Machine is a perfect solution, but it works fine for
> me. I rely on it to back up the 600 gig startup drive only. and it writes to
> a second 500 gig drive. The startup drive is only about 1/3 full and it
> pretty much stays at that level. The Time Machine backup is 90% full, and it
> stays at that level. I believe it automatically discards the oldest backups
> at that point.
>
> I keep my photo files on eight external drives. Two of the largest are
> backup only. I transfer critical files to those manually about once a week
> or whenever I have important files on hand. The most important files are on
> three drives. I also have a set of DVD backups for photo files. I also back
> up some critical files to on-line servers.
> Paul
>
>
>> Jostein
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[Bruce Dayton]

Thursday, June 3, 2010, 1:15:18 AM, you wrote:

C> On 3/6/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>I'll be ok, I have a fire-retardant black polo-neck.

C> Any true mac fan has the apple logo branded on his chest. Across a nipple.

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C> Cheers,
C>   Cotty


Wow!  Mac fans have nipples?  And I thought they just had dual
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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[Jack Davis]

Non-expert consensus was (bunch of salivating photographers) that said 
conditions would last 'til through July (2010) at least.
You have time, Peter.
I appreciate your "damnit." ;)

Jack

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> Subject: Re: PESO: Yosemite
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:01 AM
> On 6/3/2010 7:47 AM, Jack Davis
> wrote:
> > Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley.
> Spectacular under most any conditions, this past winter's
> extra moisture has added even more drama.
> > This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant
> pool of Merced River overflow along the edge of a meadow. A
> fortunate discovery.
> >
> > Comments certainly welcome.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=511
> >
> > K20, da16...@24mm, f/11, 1/45, ISO 200, Manfrotto 3001
> tripod w/med ball head.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    
> Dammit, I'm really unlikely to get to Yosemite any time
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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[Bruce Dayton]

I love Yosemite!  This photo is a good example of why.  Very nicely
composed and shot.  The reflection pool is marvelous.

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Thursday, June 3, 2010, 4:47:24 AM, you wrote:

JD> Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley. Spectacular
JD> under most any conditions, this past winter's extra moisture has added even 
more drama.
JD> This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant pool of
JD> Merced River overflow along the edge of a meadow. A fortunate discovery.

JD> Comments certainly welcome.

JD> Jack

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=511

JD> K20, da16...@24mm, f/11, 1/45, ISO 200, Manfrotto 3001 tripod w/med ball 
head.


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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[Jack Davis]

Conditions disallowed anything but "stunning."
Thanks, however, Dan!

Jack

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Yosemite
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> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:09 AM
> Oh, wow, that is just stunning. 
> I think that the dead tree takes its
> out of the ordinary "postcard pretty" category and makes it
> much more
> interesting.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:01 AM, P. J. Alling 
> wrote:
> > On 6/3/2010 7:47 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> >>
> >> Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite
> Valley. Spectacular under
> >> most any conditions, this past winter's extra
> moisture has added even more
> >> drama.
> >> This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a
> vagrant pool of Merced River
> >> overflow along the edge of a meadow. A fortunate
> discovery.
> >>
> >> Comments certainly welcome.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=511
> >>
> >> K20, da16...@24mm, f/11, 1/45, ISO 200, Manfrotto
> 3001 tripod w/med ball
> >> head.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Dammit, I'm really unlikely to get to Yosemite any
> time soon...
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

[AlunFoto]

2010/6/3 Bruce Dayton :
> Wow!  Mac fans have nipples?  And I thought they just had dual
> 'cores'...

hehehe.

Apple + nipples = napples?


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Re: Early 1900s in Colour

[P. J. Alling]

It has the general layout of a Vickers F.B 12 but the wrong fuselage shape.

On 6/2/2010 4:42 PM, Toine wrote:

By Albert Kahn:

http://citynoise.org/article/10598

Toine

   



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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[Jack Davis]

Conditions could not have been any better for this time of year. You live even 
a little closer, so do an over-nighter.
Thanks very much, Bruce! 

Jack

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Yosemite
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> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:55 AM
> I love Yosemite!  This photo is
> a good example of why.  Very nicely
> composed and shot.  The reflection pool is marvelous.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Thursday, June 3, 2010, 4:47:24 AM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley.
> Spectacular
> JD> under most any conditions, this past winter's extra
> moisture has added even more drama.
> JD> This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant
> pool of
> JD> Merced River overflow along the edge of a meadow. A
> fortunate discovery.
> 
> JD> Comments certainly welcome.
> 
> JD> Jack
> 
> JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=511
> 
> JD> K20, da16...@24mm, f/11, 1/45, ISO 200, Manfrotto
> 3001 tripod w/med ball head.
> 
> 
> JD>       
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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[Rob Studdert]

On 03/06/2010, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley. Spectacular under most 
> any conditions, this past winter's extra moisture has added even more drama.
> This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant pool of Merced River 
> overflow along the edge of a meadow. A fortunate discovery.
>
> Comments certainly welcome.
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=511
>
> K20, da16...@24mm, f/11, 1/45, ISO 200, Manfrotto 3001 tripod w/med ball head.

Very impressive, Yosemite was on my have to see list but this is hard sell!

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Re: PESO Japanese Iris

[Jack Davis]

Wooh! Beautiful!!

Jack

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> From: Bruce Walker 
> Subject: PESO Japanese Iris
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> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:17 AM
> Took this shot a week ago and mostly
> forgot about it until Dominique commented on it favourably
> at Flickr.
> 
> http://decluttr.com/4643613382
> 
> K20D, smc P-DA* 55mm F1.4 SDM, 1/60th, f/8.0, ISO 200.
> 
> I stood on tippy toes straight above it while my wife
> kindly held the AF-540FGZ a little above to the left. I'd
> attached to the flash a Honl Speed Snoot unrolled as a
> reflector.
> 
> -bmw
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Re: Early 1900s in Colour

[mike wilson]

I'm assuming that it is French due to the lack of a roundel on the
fuselage (although I may be wreung) and that most British pushers had
bodies that sat on the wings.  The French, on the other hand

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/france/farman_f40.php


On 3 June 2010 15:01, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> It has the general layout of a Vickers F.B 12 but the wrong fuselage shape.
>
> On 6/2/2010 4:42 PM, Toine wrote:
>>
>> By Albert Kahn:
>>
>> http://citynoise.org/article/10598

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Re: PESO: Yosemite

[Jack Davis]

Much appreciated, Rob! The place is a photographer's treasure..but sounds like 
you already appreciate that. ;)

Jack

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Rob Studdert  wrote:

> From: Rob Studdert 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Yosemite
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 7:02 AM
> On 03/06/2010, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> > Just returned from a brief visit to Yosemite Valley.
> Spectacular under most any conditions, this past winter's
> extra moisture has added even more drama.
> > This is Upper Yosemite Falls reflected in a vagrant
> pool of Merced River overflow along the edge of a meadow. A
> fortunate discovery.
> >
> > Comments certainly welcome.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=511
> >
> > K20, da16...@24mm, f/11, 1/45, ISO 200, Manfrotto 3001
> tripod w/med ball head.
> 
> Very impressive, Yosemite was on my have to see list but
> this is hard sell!
> 
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Re: PESO Japanese Iris

[Rob Studdert]

On 03/06/2010, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Took this shot a week ago and mostly forgot about it until Dominique
> commented on it favourably at Flickr.
>
> http://decluttr.com/4643613382
>
> K20D, smc P-DA* 55mm F1.4 SDM, 1/60th, f/8.0, ISO 200.
>
> I stood on tippy toes straight above it while my wife kindly held the
> AF-540FGZ a little above to the left. I'd attached to the flash a Honl Speed
> Snoot unrolled as a reflector.

That's a pretty stunning flower shot, very nice.

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