RE: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[Bob W]

awesome - well done

> 
> Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of
25,
> (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
Michigan'
> summer photo contest.
> 
> check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to
> view the 25 images up for voting.
> 
> Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the
good
> old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.
> 
> Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say
in
> Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
> Votes may be cast thru October 15th
> 
> Thanks for looking & voting..
> 
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
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Re: Photographers profiles (Chicago)

[mike wilson]

Rob Studdert wrote:

Hi Team,

Did anything ever happen re: publishing the profiles that were used
for the photogs who's works were hung in the Dank Haus Gallery? I'd
love to see them as it's something that I have to do and I really
haven't a clue where to start without sounding like a tosser ;-)


If you do work out how, please advise..

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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[mike wilson]

kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of 
25, (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure 
Michigan' summer photo contest.


check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to 
view the 25 images up for voting.


Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the 
good old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.


Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they 
say in Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.

Votes may be cast thru October 15th

Thanks for looking & voting..


Interesting link on the "thank you" page.  "Vote again for the top 25 
people's choice award"  And you can!  8-)))


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RE: Photographers profiles (Chicago)

[Bob W]

> Hi Team,
> 
> Did anything ever happen re: publishing the profiles that were used for
the
> photogs who's works were hung in the Dank Haus Gallery? I'd love to see
> them as it's something that I have to do and I really haven't a clue where
to
> start without sounding like a tosser ;-)
> 

Rob, this is the PDML. We all sound like tossers.

Bob


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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[mike wilson]

Joseph McAllister wrote:


/mild rant on\


Very little for me to disagree with.

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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/3/2010 2:09 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

/mild rant on\
rant snipped
\mild rant off/


Joe, I agree with most of what you said. I do tend to think that I care 
about FF but otherwise, I am getting progressively disillusioned about 
the practical improvements in image taking and resulting image quality 
that new bodies may/will provide on top of the current ones /for my 
particular style and-or level of shooting/.


As a matter of fact, my K-7 is approaching the 10,000 shutter actuations 
and I am planning to write a blog entry on that occasion. It seems to me 
now that for most part it is going to be in lines with your "mild rant".


Boris

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/2/2010 11:09 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Had the same experience. Applied for and after a couple days,
received a welcome and an "Artist's Code." No idea if possible to
re-access said code. Looking forward to your offerings, Walter!

Jack


Thanks, Jack... As usual I am overly hmmm sensitive to these matters...

Boris

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PESO - The Way

[frank theriault]

Ventured downtown yesterday and saw this signpost for life at Yonge
and Dundas in the heart of the shopping district:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/way.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESOs from decompression

[Jack Davis]

Very nice, Larry! 

Jack

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, Larry Colen  wrote:

> From: Larry Colen 
> Subject: PESOs from decompression
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 7:56 PM
> There are a lot of burning man
> parties a few weeks after that are called "decompression
> parties". I stopped by the Santa Cruz decompression party
> this afternoon for a while, before coming home to wrestle
> with yardwork.
> 
> I did, however, get a few shots while I was there.
> 
> Eye of the dragon:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610651/in/set-72157625082869380/
> 
> Good Times:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610343/in/set-72157625082869380/
> 
> Center of Gravity:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/
> 
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> sent from i4est
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - The Way

[David J Brooks]

I like the tilt on this

Dave

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:38 AM, frank theriault
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> Ventured downtown yesterday and saw this signpost for life at Yonge
> and Dundas in the heart of the shopping district:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/way.html
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[David J Brooks]

All nice photos.

Voting done

Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:50 PM,   wrote:
> Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of 25,
> (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
> Michigan' summer photo contest.
>
> check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to view
> the 25 images up for voting.
>
> Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the good
> old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.
>
> Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say in
> Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
> Votes may be cast thru October 15th
>
> Thanks for looking & voting..
>
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Re: GESO Strange Heros at BB&BBQ 2010

[David J Brooks]

Great shots.

Dave

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Theodore Beilby  wrote:
> Last night was the first night of Bikes, Blues, & BBQ 2010. I braved the 
> crowds
> and noise to shoot Strange Heros, a friends band. Shots were done with my K-7,
> 21, 40, 70 Limited, and DA16-45, on a monopod. I have never had much luck 
> using
> a monopod but was pleasently surprised how these came out. Some of the shots
> have some post work done in LR2 and others are straight out of the camera. I
> have never had much luck with performance pictures before. Comments welcomed 
> and
> appriciated.
>
>
> I didn't forget the URL this time:
>
> http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/2010/09/strange-heros-at-bikes-blues-bbq-2010.html
>
>
>
> Ted
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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

[David J Brooks]

Other than being a tad dark on my laptop, good first try.

Dave

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert  wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
> This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I got my
> K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't bring
> myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever captured
> that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was absolutely
> horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x standards.  I
> messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent mix of brown, green,
> rust, and yellow originally) until I finally decided it looked best with
> everything desaturated out, except for the red of the bird.  I'm still
> trying to deal with some ugliness on the beak, but I'm slowly getting it out
> of there.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
> K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec
>
> It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  And this
> is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor cropping (I'm
> trying to stay as close to the original resolution as possible for now).
>  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, to make it a more
> effective image?
>
> Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.
>
> Best,
>
> Walt
>
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Re: ISBN and self-published books

[Mark Roberts]

David Parsons wrote:

>Why would you get an ISBN if you are self publishing a single book?

The most common reason is to get it sold on Amazon.com or other book
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Re: PESO - The Way

[drd1135]

I like the composition. The other people in the shot, especially the one 
leaving stage left, adds an element of contrast to this one focused guy. 
-Original Message-
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Subject: PESO - The Way

Ventured downtown yesterday and saw this signpost for life at Yonge
and Dundas in the heart of the shopping district:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/way.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Boris Liberman]

Without knowing zilch about studio lighting I can only suggest that you 
compare the price of replacement bulbs and the longevity of them for 
both outfits. Given that you're starting on this route, you may want to 
start with something that is cheaper to maintain in order to get you 
through the learning curve. Afterwards you can reconsider.


Boris



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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[Bob Sullivan]

Ken,
It makes me smile every day when I see it.
Regards, Bob S.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> Wasn't "Backseat Driver" in the PDML book?  I love that image.
>
> Yes, it was also in the Chicago Gallery, another PDML'er liked it enough to
> purchase it.
>
> It was taken at the 75 anniversary of the 32 Ford - the Deuce - in Dearborn,
> Michigan.
>
> Thanks Dan.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> 
> Subject: Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion
>
>
>> Wasn't "Backseat Driver" in the PDML book?  I love that image.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:50 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of
>>> 25,
>>> (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
>>> Michigan' summer photo contest.
>>>
>>> check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to view
>>> the 25 images up for voting.
>>>
>>> Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the
>>> good
>>> old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.
>>>
>>> Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say
>>> in
>>> Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
>>> Votes may be cast thru October 15th
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking & voting..
>>>
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
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Spotmatic prototypes

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

 Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
- Logo "eye", no AoCo
- No name "SP" on top
- Serial number on the back
- No switch for manual use
Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460

See links for large images.

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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[Boris Liberman]

Congratulations...

I went to that link, but couldn't find your photos though :-(.

Boris

On 10/3/2010 1:50 AM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of
25, (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
Michigan' summer photo contest.

check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to
view the 25 images up for voting.

Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the
good old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.

Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they
say in Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
Votes may be cast thru October 15th

Thanks for looking & voting..


Kenneth Waller
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Re: monitor shopping

[Christine Nielsen]

Thanks, Bob -- I'll check into that model too, especially since I'll
need the calibrating/profiling set-up as well.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Bob Rapp  wrote:
> Hi Christine,
>   The NEC P221 has been on my radar for some time. It should calibrate just
> fine. My other option would be to spring for the NEC PA241W-BK-SV, which
> includes profiling software and puck. The software programs the monitor's
>  internal LTU.
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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

 Le 03/10/2010 15:35, Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit :



 Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
- Logo "eye", no AoCo
- No name "SP" on top
- Serial number on the back
- No switch for manual use
Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460

See links for large images.

Michel


Other:
- Logo and "Spotmatic" green tinted
- Screw on the right flank
- Apparent device in the viewfinder (cell?)
- Screw-mount set from the front (4 screws, such as SPF)



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Re: monitor shopping

[Christine Nielsen]

Yes, NEC appears to have some well-regarded models out right now... I
found two in this "top 5" list from cnet.com
http://reviews.cnet.com/2795-3174_7-450.html?tag=centerColumnArea1.2

Decisions, decisions...

:)
-c

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:43 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> No knowledge of this particular model but in my job before last, I
> purchased numerous different NEC displays for the marketing dept. and
> they were always quite to very much pleased with them. NEC as a brand
> was definitely a good choice during that time.
> Ecke
>
> 2010/10/2 Christine Nielsen :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop & get a real monitor, to
>> be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
>> are my back & eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
>> chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
>> could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.
>>
>> I've done some research, and though I still feel a bit out of my depth
>> on this topic, my initial inclination is toward a NEC P221W
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBar&A=getItemDetail&Q=&sku=602072&is=REG&si=rev#anchorToReadReviews
>>
>> The price is right, and it comes well-recommended.  Anyone care to
>> disabuse me of this notion?  What am I missing by not going with a
>> $1000+ model, like a higher-end NEC, or Apple Cinema display, or Dell
>> Ultra Sharp...?  Are there others I should consider?  (I think we can
>> safely leave Eizo out of the discussion for now...)
>>
>> I'd also welcome any suggestions for other resources (online or in
>> print) to educate myself better on the whole topic.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> -c
>>
>> ps:  thank you to Fernando for raising the calibration question in a
>> recent thread... I have taken notes...
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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

[Bob Sullivan]

Great danger of fraud on these, especially at a $2000 price!
And a ebayer who calls himself Coopiecat ! ? ? ?
I have a collection of 'post' Ashiflex bodies, collected cheap on ebay.
Most do not show the wear of these.
Regards,  Bob S.

2010/10/3 Michel Carrère-Gée :
>  Le 03/10/2010 15:35, Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit :
>>
>>
>>  Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
>> - Logo "eye", no AoCo
>> - No name "SP" on top
>> - Serial number on the back
>> - No switch for manual use
>> Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460
>>
>> See links for large images.
>>
>> Michel
>>
> Other:
> - Logo and "Spotmatic" green tinted
> - Screw on the right flank
> - Apparent device in the viewfinder (cell?)
> - Screw-mount set from the front (4 screws, such as SPF)
>
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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,
Look again!  Ken's photos are the 7th, 15th, 19th, and 21st.
And being from Chicago, I voted again too!
I kind of like those old Shell gas pumps.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Congratulations...
>
> I went to that link, but couldn't find your photos though :-(.
>
> Boris
>
> On 10/3/2010 1:50 AM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
>>
>> Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of
>> 25, (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
>> Michigan' summer photo contest.
>>
>> check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to
>> view the 25 images up for voting.
>>
>> Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the
>> good old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.
>>
>> Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they
>> say in Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
>> Votes may be cast thru October 15th
>>
>> Thanks for looking & voting..
>>
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

Without knowing zilch about studio lighting I can only suggest that you 
compare the price of replacement bulbs and the longevity of them for both 
outfits. Given that you're starting on this route, you may want to start 
with something that is cheaper to maintain in order to get you through the 
learning curve. Afterwards you can reconsider.




I'm going to respectfully disagree. Most every studio photographer I know, 
whether they are pro or interested amateur has gone through a similar 
equipment list, starting with hot lights in reflectors, moving to shoe mount 
flashes that have been Rube Goldberged into working, and from there to some 
sort of studio flash system.
I figure buy what you are going to end up with anyway right off the get go 
and learn how to use it.


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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

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On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:11 AM, William Robb wrote:



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Without knowing zilch about studio lighting I can only suggest that  
you compare the price of replacement bulbs and the longevity of  
them for both outfits. Given that you're starting on this route,  
you may want to start with something that is cheaper to maintain in  
order to get you through the learning curve. Afterwards you can  
reconsider.




I'm going to respectfully disagree. Most every studio photographer I  
know, whether they are pro or interested amateur has gone through a  
similar equipment list, starting with hot lights in reflectors,  
moving to shoe mount flashes that have been Rube Goldberged into  
working, and from there to some sort of studio flash system.
I figure buy what you are going to end up with anyway right off the  
get go and learn how to use it.




I agree. With hot lights you'll only learn that you should have  
purchased a studio flash system. And since the technique differs, some  
of the skills learned with hot lights don't transfer.

Paul

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Bong Manayon]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:34 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Re: About Studio Lighting kinds
>
> First year students get to work with REALLY OLD Studio Hot Lights, and I
> mean HOT, HOT, HOT - gloves & hot pads mandatory. The stuff you see in old
> Hollywood movie stills.
>
> Although, they do get introduced to some Speedotrons, Photogenics & Alien
> Bees during Summer Semester just before second year begins. We also used
> Vivitar 285s & dedicated speed lights (if you could afford them).
>
> Second year students can also use hot lights if they want to, as long as
> they don't deprive the first year students.
>

Yup, this is what we do in school too, but not necessarily to punish
the freshmen but to help them visualize their photos.  Which is
ultimately the advantage of continuous lighting; pure strobes (i.e.,
flash) does not give you that unless it has a modeling light--which
the Falconeyes provide (which I have experience with).

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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[P N Stenquist]

I voted five times now. More soon.
Paul

On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Boris,
Look again!  Ken's photos are the 7th, 15th, 19th, and 21st.
And being from Chicago, I voted again too!
I kind of like those old Shell gas pumps.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Boris Liberman   
wrote:

Congratulations...

I went to that link, but couldn't find your photos though :-(.

Boris

On 10/3/2010 1:50 AM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:


Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a  
group of
25, (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a  
'Pure

Michigan' summer photo contest.

check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to
view the 25 images up for voting.

Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for  
the

good old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.

Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as  
they

say in Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
Votes may be cast thru October 15th

Thanks for looking & voting..


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller




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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

[Bong Manayon]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Walter Gilbert  wrote:
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> Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.
>
> Best,
>
> Walt
>

I know that an endorsement from someone already in the gallery helps.
Let me know if you need a word drop to webmasters.

Bong

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Re: monitor shopping

[Bob Rapp]

Christine,
   Choice of the NEC models should hinge on the intended use. DisplayPort 
is the new thing and some video card manufacturers support it and its use of 
10-bit color vs. 8-bit color with the other interfaces. To future-proof your 
decision, the NEC PA series with colorimeter and software would be a costly 
but worthwhile decision.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Nielsen" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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Subject: Re: monitor shopping


Yes, NEC appears to have some well-regarded models out right now... I
found two in this "top 5" list from cnet.com
http://reviews.cnet.com/2795-3174_7-450.html?tag=centerColumnArea1.2

Decisions, decisions...

:)
-c

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:43 PM, eckinator  wrote:

No knowledge of this particular model but in my job before last, I
purchased numerous different NEC displays for the marketing dept. and
they were always quite to very much pleased with them. NEC as a brand
was definitely a good choice during that time.
Ecke

2010/10/2 Christine Nielsen :

Hi all,

I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop & get a real monitor, to
be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have. Not only
are my back & eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.

I've done some research, and though I still feel a bit out of my depth
on this topic, my initial inclination is toward a NEC P221W
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBar&A=getItemDetail&Q=&sku=602072&is=REG&si=rev#anchorToReadReviews

The price is right, and it comes well-recommended. Anyone care to
disabuse me of this notion? What am I missing by not going with a
$1000+ model, like a higher-end NEC, or Apple Cinema display, or Dell
Ultra Sharp...? Are there others I should consider? (I think we can
safely leave Eizo out of the discussion for now...)

I'd also welcome any suggestions for other resources (online or in
print) to educate myself better on the whole topic.

Thanks in advance,

-c

ps: thank you to Fernando for raising the calibration question in a
recent thread... I have taken notes...

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Thibouille]

Bong, since you have experience with FalconEyes, what do you think about them ?
The units considered are 2x TE300 model units.
Good enough fo a couple years or not worth considering? Interfit etc.
are nice but price is... well out of my range.!

Thank you.


2010/10/3 Bong Manayon :
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:34 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> Re: About Studio Lighting kinds
>>
>> First year students get to work with REALLY OLD Studio Hot Lights, and I
>> mean HOT, HOT, HOT - gloves & hot pads mandatory. The stuff you see in old
>> Hollywood movie stills.
>>
>> Although, they do get introduced to some Speedotrons, Photogenics & Alien
>> Bees during Summer Semester just before second year begins. We also used
>> Vivitar 285s & dedicated speed lights (if you could afford them).
>>
>> Second year students can also use hot lights if they want to, as long as
>> they don't deprive the first year students.
>>
>
> Yup, this is what we do in school too, but not necessarily to punish
> the freshmen but to help them visualize their photos.  Which is
> ultimately the advantage of continuous lighting; pure strobes (i.e.,
> flash) does not give you that unless it has a modeling light--which
> the Falconeyes provide (which I have experience with).
>
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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/3/2010 4:04 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Boris,
Look again!  Ken's photos are the 7th, 15th, 19th, and 21st.
And being from Chicago, I voted again too!
I kind of like those old Shell gas pumps.
Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/3/2010 4:11 PM, William Robb wrote:

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Most every studio photographer I
know, whether they are pro or interested amateur has gone through a
similar equipment list, starting with hot lights in reflectors, moving
to shoe mount flashes that have been Rube Goldberged into working, and
from there to some sort of studio flash system.
I figure buy what you are going to end up with anyway right off the get
go and learn how to use it.

William Robb


I see your point, Bill. That's one way to put it - buy whatever is the 
ultimate kit 'cause you will want "ultimate" anyway. I wonder if in the 
world of studio flash systems there are smaller/less feature rich/less 
expensive/more bang for the back models... There ought to be such 
options for the beginner/on a budget shooter...


Boris


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Re: PESO - The Way

[Boris Liberman]

I say it is brilliant.

Boris


On 10/3/2010 12:38 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Ventured downtown yesterday and saw this signpost for life at Yonge
and Dundas in the heart of the shopping district:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/way.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: GESO Strange Heros at BB&BBQ 2010

[Boris Liberman]

On 9/30/2010 10:18 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote:

Shots were done with my K-7, 21, 40, 70 Limited, and DA16-45, on a
monopod. I have never had much luck using a monopod but was
pleasently surprised how these came out.

http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/2010/09/strange-heros-at-bikes-blues-bbq-2010.html


An attempt to hide behind your gear won't help you this time, mister 
;-). You did exceptionally well.


Boris

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Re: PESO: Saahwing, battah!

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/1/2010 4:45 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

I had the good fortune of getting tickets to a ballgame last night
from my company.

At one point I went a few rows forward.  Just a few.  I couldn't stay
there for the whole game, but they let me hang for a few minutes.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twins_game/content/IMGP5190_large.html


A question for your, Charles - did you use the rapid fire mode of your 
gun... errr... camera... Or did you just aim and shoot once?


Timing is absolutely accurate here, to the point of causing a mild case 
of hatred and envy ;-).


Boris

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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

[Steven Desjardins]

I admit that I am partial tot his kind of effect if it it is done
well.  Both of these are good efforts, but the car is wonderful.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:19 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>  Just to be annoying here's one of my efforts, I used a number of layers.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20chartreusecouperevisited%26revised.html
>
> On 10/3/2010 2:10 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>   Thanks, P.J.
>>
>> You're absolutely right.  I noticed the halo around the bird about ten
>> minutes after I'd uploaded it.  Only, I didn't use any layers.  I simply
>> desaturated the colors in the original.  I'll see if I can get rid of some
>> of that.
>>
>> -- Walt
>>
>> On 10/3/2010 12:54 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>
>>>  Imitation hand coloring of B&W can be effective, but you have to be
>>> careful to avoid halos around your colored layer.  Just think of it as a
>>> case of Less is More, unless you intended for it to look the way it does, in
>>> which case to quote Emily Litela .  /Nevermind/.
>>>
>>> On 10/3/2010 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Hi all,

 This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I got my
 K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't bring
 myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever captured
 that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was absolutely
 horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x standards.  I
 messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent mix of brown, 
 green,
 rust, and yellow originally) until I finally decided it looked best with
 everything desaturated out, except for the red of the bird.  I'm still
 trying to deal with some ugliness on the beak, but I'm slowly getting it 
 out
 of there.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
 K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec

 It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  And
 this is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor cropping
 (I'm trying to stay as close to the original resolution as possible for
 now).  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, to make it a 
 more
 effective image?

 Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.

 Best,

 Walt



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Re: GESO Strange Heros at BB&BBQ 2010

[Steven Desjardins]

Really nice.  Monopods work better than many give them credit for.  I
bet they would be even better with a a remote shutter release.

One question for those who might know.  You turn off SR with a tripod.
 How about a monopod?

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Theodore Beilby  wrote:
> Last night was the first night of Bikes, Blues, & BBQ 2010. I braved the 
> crowds
> and noise to shoot Strange Heros, a friends band. Shots were done with my K-7,
> 21, 40, 70 Limited, and DA16-45, on a monopod. I have never had much luck 
> using
> a monopod but was pleasently surprised how these came out. Some of the shots
> have some post work done in LR2 and others are straight out of the camera. I
> have never had much luck with performance pictures before. Comments welcomed 
> and
> appriciated.
>
>
> I didn't forget the URL this time:
>
> http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/2010/09/strange-heros-at-bikes-blues-bbq-2010.html
>
>
>
> Ted
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Re: GESO Igor's visit to Oz

[Boris Liberman]

Rob, some high class photography in that set. Igor, in turn, seems to be 
mostly smiling... I sure would like to shake his hand in person as well 
as yours...


Boris


On 9/29/2010 4:56 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Hi Team,

As you're likely aware Igor and Jane just spent a week in Sydney so
Brian, Anthony and myself tried to keep them out of trouble, which was
a lot of fun. Following is my pictorial record of our outings
together:

http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/September2010SydneyPDMLMeet?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGIqf7Zsu-G8QE#

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Re: PESO - The Way

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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:18 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I like the tilt on this
>

Tilt?  What tilt?

;-)

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Re: Boris and Galia - few PESOs

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On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> We've spent today in Caesaria historical park. I took Sigma 24-60 for a walk
> and Galia seems to have done really well with her "regular" lens (FA
> 50/1.4).
>
> #42: Two armies: (Galia and I)
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/09/peso-2010-42-two-armies.html
>
> #43: Wave study: (Galia)
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/09/peso-2010-43-wave-study.html
>
> #44: Chairs study: (I)
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/09/peso-2010-44-chairs-study.html


I love the two armies of ~each~ of you, and I really like Galia's Wave Study!

Excellent shots

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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[Steven Desjardins]

I got the K7 because it was much cheaper on the downward side of it
"production life".   I like it fine.  As time has gone by, I find
myself giving a chunk of my fun money to Harley-Davidson, so the
camera money I have will go to lenses.  Especially since i have now
decided to keep a DSLR and an EVIL system.  FF doesn't phase me at all
(although all of my remaining lenses are M or FA) probably because I'm
not a big wide angle guy.

Interesting question about Pentax "fixing" its problems under
warranty.  I do not have sufficient business experience to say for
sure, but it would not surprise me if this were no longer a viable
business model.  Companies need to release frequently to survive,
which affects extended testing and QC as the parts change a lot.  As
honest and fair-minded as warranty fixes of obvious problems would be,
Companies that do so may simply go out of business, just leaving the
ones that don't.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 10/3/2010 2:09 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
>>
>> /mild rant on\
>> rant snipped
>> \mild rant off/
>
> Joe, I agree with most of what you said. I do tend to think that I care
> about FF but otherwise, I am getting progressively disillusioned about the
> practical improvements in image taking and resulting image quality that new
> bodies may/will provide on top of the current ones /for my particular style
> and-or level of shooting/.
>
> As a matter of fact, my K-7 is approaching the 10,000 shutter actuations and
> I am planning to write a blog entry on that occasion. It seems to me now
> that for most part it is going to be in lines with your "mild rant".
>
> Boris
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Re: PESOs from decompression

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On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:39 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Very nice, Larry! 

Thanks

> 
> Jack
> 
> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> From: Larry Colen 
>> Subject: PESOs from decompression
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 7:56 PM
>> There are a lot of burning man
>> parties a few weeks after that are called "decompression
>> parties". I stopped by the Santa Cruz decompression party
>> this afternoon for a while, before coming home to wrestle
>> with yardwork.
>> 
>> I did, however, get a few shots while I was there.
>> 
>> Eye of the dragon:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610651/in/set-72157625082869380/
>> 
>> Good Times:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610343/in/set-72157625082869380/
>> 
>> Center of Gravity:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/
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Learning Lightroom

[Eric Weir]

The Kelbytrainging.com online courses and book have been recommended to me 
previously. I've been putting off getting started with Lightroom till I've 
gotten at least a bit of an education, especially about importing and 
organizing. And I'm putting off doing much shooting until I've done that. Not a 
good way to learn photography.

So, if you needed to be frugal, and to chose one or the other, which would you 
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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Cotty]

One thing nobody has mentioned - if you want to shoot video with your
camera and you only have strobes, you're stuffed. Having said that,
those interfit lights are crap - don't waste your money. If stills is
what you shoot, then flash is what you need as everyone else has pointed out.

That said, a lot of people seem to think that incandescent lamps are the
arch enemy of the studio, creating heat and misery. I have to say this
is far from the truth. If you do need continuous lighting - as I do
constantly - then select very carefully the type of light and the
manufacturer. Simple bulb holders surrounded by a tin dish affair off
little control and create maximum heat - just what you don't want.

All my lights are Arri and good quality and excellent control. I have 2
open-faced 800w redheads, a 650w fresnel:



and a couple of smaller pups (or 'kickers')- small 300w open-faced. They
all have barn doors attached for maximum control, they all spot of
flood, the fresnel lamp especially good for this. I have coloured gels
and diffusers that attach to the doors with simple bulldog clips,
including 4400k (half-blue) and 5600k (full blue) gels to bring the
3200k neat light up to daylight. They're all used in conjunction with
RCDs and still going strong after ten years use, at least 3 times a
week. Sure you pay for it, but if you use lighting to make a living, it
must be reliable - otherwise you waste money in the long run. I would
imagine the same is true with flash.

There's a lot of old wives tales about tungsten lighting - don't let
people put you off, but don't buy interfit for god's sake!


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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/3/2010 5:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Interesting question about Pentax "fixing" its problems under
warranty.  I do not have sufficient business experience to say for
sure, but it would not surprise me if this were no longer a viable
business model.  Companies need to release frequently to survive,
which affects extended testing and QC as the parts change a lot.  As
honest and fair-minded as warranty fixes of obvious problems would be,
Companies that do so may simply go out of business, just leaving the
ones that don't.


My understanding, Steve, is that when you buy a piece of gear from a 
company, say, Pentax, the text on the warranty card and the proof of 
purchase together make it a legal contract between you and Pentax. It is 
therefore Pentax obligation under law to provide you with proper 
service. You might not be able to sue them to submission, but at least 
formally you're entitled to proper service as far as the written 
conditions thereof go. However I may be wrong.


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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Matthew Hunt]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Cotty  wrote:

> I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads

Lucky bastard.

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Cotty]

On 3/10/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

> they all spot of
>flood

spot *or* flood

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Re: Learning Lightroom

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

First off, you shouldn't put off making photos because you're not
ready to process them yet. Shooting is a different skill from
processing. I often don't process what I'm shooting for a long long
time!

Secondly, I find amongst my students that Lightroom is best learned
from watching how others operate it, either in person or using video
tutorials. Adobe offers, free of charge, a large number of good
tutorials directly from their website. Download and install LR, go to
the video tutorials and learn the basics. It's not hard. The more you
do, the more you try with it, the faster you learn.

Yes, you'll make mistakes. You'll want to reorganize things. Nothing
prevents you from fixing stuff, from re-organizing your work later.

Delaying getting started only delays learning.


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>
> The Kelbytrainging.com online courses and book have been recommended to me 
> previously. I've been putting off getting started with Lightroom till I've 
> gotten at least a bit of an education, especially about importing and 
> organizing. And I'm putting off doing much shooting until I've done that. Not 
> a good way to learn photography.
>
> So, if you needed to be frugal, and to chose one or the other, which would 
> you chose, the online courses or the book and CD? Or are both advised?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

[P. J. Alling]

 Bob you're looking at it the wrong way!  Pentax is like Leica now.  
Too bad the Russians didn't make a decent copy, and the Luftwaffe didn't 
buy Asahi.



On 10/3/2010 9:58 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Great danger of fraud on these, especially at a $2000 price!
And a ebayer who calls himself Coopiecat ! ? ? ?
I have a collection of 'post' Ashiflex bodies, collected cheap on ebay.
Most do not show the wear of these.
Regards,  Bob S.

2010/10/3 Michel Carrère-Gée:

  Le 03/10/2010 15:35, Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit :


  Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
- Logo "eye", no AoCo
- No name "SP" on top
- Serial number on the back
- No switch for manual use
Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460

See links for large images.

Michel


Other:
- Logo and "Spotmatic" green tinted
- Screw on the right flank
- Apparent device in the viewfinder (cell?)
- Screw-mount set from the front (4 screws, such as SPF)



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Re: PESO 2010 - 152, 153 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A couple of pictures, one of which asks whether there is space for
Ursus Marianus ...

http://gallery.me.com/godders#100135



On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> congratulations - enjoy.
>
>> thanks!
>> we're in at last, all keys and such for the apartment handed back.
>> wot a pain. but worth it.
>>
>> now to sort out the office and get back into business.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Rick Womer 
>> wrote:
>> > Good luck with the move!  We hate moving (once moved 5 times in 4
>> years), so we're very happy having been in the same place for 24 years.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> > http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> >> Subject: PESO 2010 - 152, 153 - GDG
>> >> To: "SeePhoto Talk" , "PAW Picture-A-Week
>> >> project" , baphotoshoot...@yahoogroups.com,
>> "DUG"
>> >> , "PDML List" 
>> >> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 12:02 PM A new blog post for your
>> >> enjoyment.
>> >>
>> >>   http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/moving
>> >>
>> >> Comments always appreciated, thanks for looking!
>> >>
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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[Steven Desjardins]

As you say, a warranty is a legal contract.  You can get from it what
you can under the law.  For example, many buildings come with
warranties of 25 years or so.  In practice, these warranties are only
good for the most major of problems since you inevitably have to sue
the builder to enforce the warranty.  "Legal" is what you can
practically get out of it.  The production of every item these days
has factored in the cost of legal issues.  If Pentax or any company
can get away with something, it will.  This may be cynical but I
trouble putting "corporate" and "ethical" together anymore and I deal
with them accordingly.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 10/3/2010 5:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>> Interesting question about Pentax "fixing" its problems under
>> warranty.  I do not have sufficient business experience to say for
>> sure, but it would not surprise me if this were no longer a viable
>> business model.  Companies need to release frequently to survive,
>> which affects extended testing and QC as the parts change a lot.  As
>> honest and fair-minded as warranty fixes of obvious problems would be,
>> Companies that do so may simply go out of business, just leaving the
>> ones that don't.
>
> My understanding, Steve, is that when you buy a piece of gear from a
> company, say, Pentax, the text on the warranty card and the proof of
> purchase together make it a legal contract between you and Pentax. It is
> therefore Pentax obligation under law to provide you with proper service.
> You might not be able to sue them to submission, but at least formally
> you're entitled to proper service as far as the written conditions thereof
> go. However I may be wrong.
>
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Re: Learning Lightroom

[Eric Weir]

On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Yes, you'll make mistakes. You'll want to reorganize things. Nothing
> prevents you from fixing stuff, from re-organizing your work later.

Thanks, Godfrey. Didn't know about the Adobe tutorials. I'll check them out.

A couple questions regarding the above -- answers probably obvious, but not 
knowing gives me pause: If I import junk, e.g., if I simply import everything 
from my card all at once into one folder, can I delete the junk without gumming 
up Lightroom's record keeping. Two, can I break such a global import down into 
categories after importing? I'm asking about the original images, not edited 
versions.

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Re: PESO - The Way

[P. J. Alling]

 Nicely done.

On 10/3/2010 6:38 AM, frank theriault wrote:

Ventured downtown yesterday and saw this signpost for life at Yonge
and Dundas in the heart of the shopping district:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/way.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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RE: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Bob W]

> > I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads
> 
> Lucky bastard.
> 

it's his fresnel they go for




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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/3/2010 6:21 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

"Legal" is what you can practically get out of it.  The production of
every item these days has factored in the cost of legal issues.  If
Pentax or any company can get away with something, it will.  This may
be cynical but I trouble putting "corporate" and "ethical" together
anymore and I deal with them accordingly.


Unfortunately this is the case. Among other things, the end user has to 
factor in (as you say) the quality and availability of local service 
center. For example, no matter how much I praise Pentax Israel for their 
service, I still would not want to have to deal with the re the infamous 
SDM problem...


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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Thibouille]

Interesting Cotty.
I won't shoot Video, at least I do not intend to. Now in 3 years when
my photo courses will be over, I may begin 3 years Video courses but
that is another story altogether :)
Got the message about Interfit. Is it supposed to be any good at all
?? (by 'supposed' I mean, sometimes things are known to be best thing
since sliced bread but really they are not)
Or is Interfit really a piece of crap ?

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Re: PESOs from decompression

[Cotty]

On 2/10/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Center of Gravity:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/

What voluptuous wristbands.

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Cotty]

On 3/10/10, Thibouille, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Got the message about Interfit. Is it supposed to be any good at all
>?? (by 'supposed' I mean, sometimes things are known to be best thing
>since sliced bread but really they are not)
>Or is Interfit really a piece of crap ?

Actually I'm being bit cavalier - Interfit as a brand is fine as long as
you understand that it is a budget range. If I had to buy a light to
once or twice a year, Interfit would be a good choice. If I had to buy a
light to use once or twice a day, Interfit would be a bad choice (IMO!)
although there are probably plenty of Interfit lighting users out there
who are quite happy with their lot. That's because they haven't used
anything better!

I think it's the design I'm slating more than the brand - with
continuous lighting, it's all about design and control. If you put a
large metal dish in front of a bulb, guess what - it's going to radiate
heat, lots of it. If you design a way to control the light but take the
heat elsewhere rather than beam it at the subject, then that's got to be
a Good Thing (tm).

HTH

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Cotty]

>> > I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads
>>
>> Lucky bastard.
>>
>
>it's his fresnel they go for

It hits the spot.



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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[P. J. Alling]

 On 10/3/2010 12:03 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 10/3/2010 5:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Interesting question about Pentax "fixing" its problems under
warranty.  I do not have sufficient business experience to say for
sure, but it would not surprise me if this were no longer a viable
business model.  Companies need to release frequently to survive,
which affects extended testing and QC as the parts change a lot.  As
honest and fair-minded as warranty fixes of obvious problems would be,
Companies that do so may simply go out of business, just leaving the
ones that don't.


My understanding, Steve, is that when you buy a piece of gear from a 
company, say, Pentax, the text on the warranty card and the proof of 
purchase together make it a legal contract between you and Pentax. It 
is therefore Pentax obligation under law to provide you with proper 
service. You might not be able to sue them to submission, but at least 
formally you're entitled to proper service as far as the written 
conditions thereof go. However I may be wrong.


Boris

The discussion seems to have become about Pentax, or any other 
manufacturer for that matter, unilaterally extending warranty on product 
with a /very/ large number of defective samples.  The contract on the 
card is no longer in question.  Pentax has been honoring that.  It's 
really become a question of how much is the customers good will worth.  
I'd really like to get a DA 17-70mm.  But from all accounts that 
particular lens is poorly designed from a manual focusing standpoint, 
making reliable auto focus a must.  The SDM controversy  just becomes 
one more reason for my money to stay in my pocket.


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RE: monitor shopping

[Chris Mitchell]

Christine Nielsen wrote:
> Sent: 02 October 2010 15:56
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: monitor shopping
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop & get a real monitor, to
> be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
> are my back & eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
> chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
> could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.
> 
> I've done some research, and though I still feel a bit out of my depth
> on this topic, my initial inclination is toward a NEC P221W
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBar&A=getItemDetai
> l&Q=&sku=602072&is=REG&si=rev#anchorToReadReviews
> 
> The price is right, and it comes well-recommended.  Anyone care to
> disabuse me of this notion?  What am I missing by not going with a
> $1000+ model, like a higher-end NEC, or Apple Cinema display, or Dell
> Ultra Sharp...?  Are there others I should consider?  (I think we can
> safely leave Eizo out of the discussion for now...)
> 
> I'd also welcome any suggestions for other resources (online or in
> print) to educate myself better on the whole topic.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -c
> 
> ps:  thank you to Fernando for raising the calibration question in a
> recent thread... I have taken notes...
> 
Hi Christine. I've got an NEC P221W connected to my desktop PC and I'm very
happy with it indeed. It works well in my calibrated workflow (I use a
Spyder 3 for the monitor).

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/3/2010 6:35 PM, Cotty wrote:



I have 2 open-faced 800w redheads


Lucky bastard.



it's his fresnel they go for


It hits the spot.





You obviously mean "heats" not "hits", right, Cotty???

:-)

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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[Steven Desjardins]

I have bought no SDM lenses.  I would no doubt be angry if they didn't
work properly, especially if I bought them for that reason.  I'm
certainly not defending Pentax.  I expect the worst and am usually
rewarded accordingly.  ;-)

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:41 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
>  On 10/3/2010 12:03 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>> On 10/3/2010 5:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting question about Pentax "fixing" its problems under
>>> warranty.  I do not have sufficient business experience to say for
>>> sure, but it would not surprise me if this were no longer a viable
>>> business model.  Companies need to release frequently to survive,
>>> which affects extended testing and QC as the parts change a lot.  As
>>> honest and fair-minded as warranty fixes of obvious problems would be,
>>> Companies that do so may simply go out of business, just leaving the
>>> ones that don't.
>>
>> My understanding, Steve, is that when you buy a piece of gear from a
>> company, say, Pentax, the text on the warranty card and the proof of
>> purchase together make it a legal contract between you and Pentax. It is
>> therefore Pentax obligation under law to provide you with proper service.
>> You might not be able to sue them to submission, but at least formally
>> you're entitled to proper service as far as the written conditions thereof
>> go. However I may be wrong.
>>
>> Boris
>>
> The discussion seems to have become about Pentax, or any other manufacturer
> for that matter, unilaterally extending warranty on product with a /very/
> large number of defective samples.  The contract on the card is no longer in
> question.  Pentax has been honoring that.  It's really become a question of
> how much is the customers good will worth.  I'd really like to get a DA
> 17-70mm.  But from all accounts that particular lens is poorly designed from
> a manual focusing standpoint, making reliable auto focus a must.  The SDM
> controversy  just becomes one more reason for my money to stay in my pocket.
>
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> moral bankruptcy."
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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

[Cotty]

On 3/10/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>If I had to buy a light to
>once or twice a year, Interfit would be a good choice.


If I had to buy a light to *use* once or twice a year, Interfit would be
a good choice.


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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/3/2010 6:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

The discussion seems to have become about Pentax, or any other
manufacturer for that matter, unilaterally extending warranty on product
with a /very/ large number of defective samples. The contract on the
card is no longer in question. Pentax has been honoring that. It's
really become a question of how much is the customers good will worth.
I'd really like to get a DA 17-70mm. But from all accounts that
particular lens is poorly designed from a manual focusing standpoint,
making reliable auto focus a must. The SDM controversy just becomes one
more reason for my money to stay in my pocket.


Peter, since you're talking about post-warranty period and substantial 
number of defective units, I wonder, what would have to happen for 
Pentax to be legally forced to admit that they "dropped an egg" like 
Bill Robb keeps saying???


Although some people vote with their pockets by walking away, there are 
still many who bought these lenses and suffered the consequences...


Boris


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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

[P. J. Alling]

I didn't think you got the true Chicago voting experience until after 
you died.


On 10/3/2010 10:04 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Boris,
Look again!  Ken's photos are the 7th, 15th, 19th, and 21st.
And being from Chicago, I voted again too!
I kind of like those old Shell gas pumps.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

Congratulations...

I went to that link, but couldn't find your photos though :-(.

Boris

On 10/3/2010 1:50 AM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of
25, (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
Michigan' summer photo contest.

check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to
view the 25 images up for voting.

Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the
good old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.

Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they
say in Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
Votes may be cast thru October 15th

Thanks for looking&  voting..


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Re: ISBN and self-published books

[Mark Roberts]

mike wilson wrote:

>David Parsons wrote:
>
>> Why would you get an ISBN if you are self publishing a single book?
>
>It isn't called vanity publishing for nothing.

It's called vanity publishing because one usually does it in vain. But
hope springs eternal, doesn't it? ;-)

My local book shops don't want to stock anything without an ISBN: All
their inventory and sales tracking is done based on this number.


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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

[P. J. Alling]

 On 10/3/2010 12:54 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 10/3/2010 6:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

The discussion seems to have become about Pentax, or any other
manufacturer for that matter, unilaterally extending warranty on product
with a /very/ large number of defective samples. The contract on the
card is no longer in question. Pentax has been honoring that. It's
really become a question of how much is the customers good will worth.
I'd really like to get a DA 17-70mm. But from all accounts that
particular lens is poorly designed from a manual focusing standpoint,
making reliable auto focus a must. The SDM controversy just becomes one
more reason for my money to stay in my pocket.


Peter, since you're talking about post-warranty period and substantial 
number of defective units, I wonder, what would have to happen for 
Pentax to be legally forced to admit that they "dropped an egg" like 
Bill Robb keeps saying???


Although some people vote with their pockets by walking away, there 
are still many who bought these lenses and suffered the consequences...


Boris


I really don't have an answer to that.  Who would enforce it.  When 
you're dealing with a Government, it will be a matter health, safety and 
cost, and the company's defense will be one of statistics.


If people are dying and the perception is that the company simply 
doesn't care, there is no defense that can be reasonably raised, no 
matter what the actual facts.


If it just puts a bunch of /apparently/ well heeled geeks out of sorts 
and costs them a little more of their /probably ill gotten/ loot, and 
the company is making a reasonable effort within the existing framework, 
then the geeks can go pound sand.
Unfortunately for Bill, (and in a way the rest of us), that's almost 
exactly the situation.


Now that might be costing Pentax a lot of good will, but they may have 
statistics, that show their failure rate to be within the norm, even 
compared to Canon, Nikon, and Sigma, and they will stick to their position.


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Re: Learning Lightroom

[Eric Weir]

On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

> A couple questions regarding the above -- answers probably obvious, but not 
> knowing gives me pause: If I import junk, e.g., if I simply import everything 
> from my card all at once into one folder, can I delete the junk without 
> gumming up Lightroom's record keeping. Two, can I break such a global import 
> down into categories after importing? I'm asking about the original images, 
> not edited versions.

I went ahead and checked out the first two Adobe tutorials and answered my own 
questions. Time to get started. Hopefully future questions will be a little 
more advanced. [How could they *not* be?]

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Re: monitor shopping

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-10-02 10:56, Christine Nielsen wrote:


I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop&  get a real monitor, to
be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
are my back&  eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.


Don't overlook televisions.  I have a HP LP2475w 24" 1920 x 1200 IPS 
monitor for photo work and a couple of TFTs for regular work on my 
computers.  The HP cost me about US$ 600 a year or so ago.  They've 
since replaced it with another model (I can't remember what it is) 
that's about US$ 400 shipped.  They're excellent monitors with good 
gamut.  /Much/ better than the TFT monitors for photo work.


Then a few months ago I "inherited" a home theater PC that a friend was 
trying to build and having trouble with.  I got it working and hooked it 
up to my main A/V system.  It's driving a run-of-the-mill 40" LCD TV and 
the colors are *awesome*.  The blacks, for example, are far deeper than 
even on the HP, and the overall gamut seems to be larger.  That said, I 
haven't calibrated it yet.


But, take a look at some of the LCD TVs before settling on a $1000 
monitor.  If my TV is any guide, you can get great performance for 
photos at much lower price points in TVs than in computer monitors.


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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

[Walter Gilbert]

  Thanks for the kind offer, Bong!

If I haven't heard from someone at the gallery by Friday, I may very 
well take you up on that.


As I said, I don't know if I'll ever produce anything worthy of 
inclusion -- looking through the gallery can be pretty intimidating.  
But, I intend to give it my best.


Thanks again!

Walt


On 10/3/2010 9:27 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Walter Gilbert  wrote:

Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.

Best,

Walt


I know that an endorsement from someone already in the gallery helps.
Let me know if you need a word drop to webmasters.

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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

[Walter Gilbert]

  Thanks, Steven.

I really need to immerse myself in Photoshop in order to do anything 
approaching what P.J. did with that photo.  It really is nice, isn't it?


-- Walt



On 10/3/2010 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I admit that I am partial tot his kind of effect if it it is done
well.  Both of these are good efforts, but the car is wonderful.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:19 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

  Just to be annoying here's one of my efforts, I used a number of layers.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20chartreusecouperevisited%26revised.html

On 10/3/2010 2:10 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

   Thanks, P.J.

You're absolutely right.  I noticed the halo around the bird about ten
minutes after I'd uploaded it.  Only, I didn't use any layers.  I simply
desaturated the colors in the original.  I'll see if I can get rid of some
of that.

-- Walt

On 10/3/2010 12:54 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

  Imitation hand coloring of B&W can be effective, but you have to be
careful to avoid halos around your colored layer.  Just think of it as a
case of Less is More, unless you intended for it to look the way it does, in
which case to quote Emily Litela .  /Nevermind/.

On 10/3/2010 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Hi all,

This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I got my
K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't bring
myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever captured
that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was absolutely
horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x standards.  I
messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent mix of brown, green,
rust, and yellow originally) until I finally decided it looked best with
everything desaturated out, except for the red of the bird.  I'm still
trying to deal with some ugliness on the beak, but I'm slowly getting it out
of there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec

It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  And
this is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor cropping
(I'm trying to stay as close to the original resolution as possible for
now).  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, to make it a more
effective image?

Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.

Best,

Walt









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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

[Walter Gilbert]

  Thanks, David.

The shot is a near-perfect expression of myself as a photographer in 
that it's very much a work in progress, and in its early stages.


The most valuable lesson I've learned from this image is that, for all 
its wonders, Photoshop can't turn a crappy photographer into a good 
one.  :-)


Best,

Walt


On 10/3/2010 6:27 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Other than being a tad dark on my laptop, good first try.

Dave

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert  wrote:

  Hi all,

This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I got my
K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't bring
myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever captured
that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was absolutely
horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x standards.  I
messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent mix of brown, green,
rust, and yellow originally) until I finally decided it looked best with
everything desaturated out, except for the red of the bird.  I'm still
trying to deal with some ugliness on the beak, but I'm slowly getting it out
of there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec

It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  And this
is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor cropping (I'm
trying to stay as close to the original resolution as possible for now).
  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, to make it a more
effective image?

Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.

Best,

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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

[P. J. Alling]

 Don't sell yourself short, we're all crappy photographers, some are 
just better editors.  Right now I've just deleted about 100 shots of a 
doorknob I was shooting to test out a couple of lenses.  Some were even 
good photos of a doorknob, but...


On 10/3/2010 2:07 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Thanks, David.

The shot is a near-perfect expression of myself as a photographer in 
that it's very much a work in progress, and in its early stages.


The most valuable lesson I've learned from this image is that, for all 
its wonders, Photoshop can't turn a crappy photographer into a good 
one.  :-)


Best,

Walt


On 10/3/2010 6:27 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Other than being a tad dark on my laptop, good first try.

Dave

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert  
wrote:

  Hi all,

This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I 
got my

K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't bring
myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever 
captured
that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was 
absolutely
horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x 
standards.  I
messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent mix of 
brown, green,
rust, and yellow originally) until I finally decided it looked best 
with

everything desaturated out, except for the red of the bird.  I'm still
trying to deal with some ugliness on the beak, but I'm slowly 
getting it out

of there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec

It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  
And this
is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor 
cropping (I'm
trying to stay as close to the original resolution as possible for 
now).

  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, to make it a more
effective image?

Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.

Best,

Walt



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Re: PESOs from decompression

[Walter Gilbert]

   I like all three, but "Center of Gravity" is my favorite.  It's a 
poignant reminder of the changing of the seasons as summer gives way to 
autumn in the northern hemisphere, nicely symbolized in the sun-kissed 
southern hemispheres of a young female warrior whose countless noble 
causes are enumerated on her wrists.


-- Walt


On 10/2/2010 9:56 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

There are a lot of burning man parties a few weeks after that are called 
"decompression parties". I stopped by the Santa Cruz decompression party this 
afternoon for a while, before coming home to wrestle with yardwork.

I did, however, get a few shots while I was there.

Eye of the dragon:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610651/in/set-72157625082869380/

Good Times:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610343/in/set-72157625082869380/

Center of Gravity:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/

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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

[Walter Gilbert]

  Thanks for the encouragement, P.J.  I'll try to keep that in mind the 
next time I find myself deleting 100 pictures of a smashed aluminum can, 
not taken to test out a lens, but because I'd somehow convinced myself 
it'd make an interesting shot.  ;^)



On 10/3/2010 1:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 Don't sell yourself short, we're all crappy photographers, some are 
just better editors.  Right now I've just deleted about 100 shots of a 
doorknob I was shooting to test out a couple of lenses.  Some were 
even good photos of a doorknob, but...


On 10/3/2010 2:07 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Thanks, David.

The shot is a near-perfect expression of myself as a photographer in 
that it's very much a work in progress, and in its early stages.


The most valuable lesson I've learned from this image is that, for 
all its wonders, Photoshop can't turn a crappy photographer into a 
good one.  :-)


Best,

Walt


On 10/3/2010 6:27 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Other than being a tad dark on my laptop, good first try.

Dave

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert  
wrote:

  Hi all,

This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I 
got my
K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't 
bring
myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever 
captured
that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was 
absolutely
horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x 
standards.  I
messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent mix of 
brown, green,
rust, and yellow originally) until I finally decided it looked best 
with

everything desaturated out, except for the red of the bird.  I'm still
trying to deal with some ugliness on the beak, but I'm slowly 
getting it out

of there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec

It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  
And this
is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor 
cropping (I'm
trying to stay as close to the original resolution as possible for 
now).
  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, to make it a 
more

effective image?

Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.

Best,

Walt



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Re: monitor shopping

[Christine Nielsen]

Ah, very interesting, Doug!

It so happens my husband has a tv set-up as his monitor.  He bought a
Toshiba 32RV525RZ last year -- he likes the wide screen for his work.
It's an LCD panel... though I haven't been able to figure out exactly
which type.  Only a year old, but already discontinued... the new 40"
model appears to have an S-PVA panel...

I had dismissed his tv/monitor out of hand, as just a dumb television,
good enough for bit-twiddling, but not for my -ahem - art.  ;)  Now,
I'm having a second look...  Thanks for the suggestion.

-c

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Doug Franklin  wrote:
> On 2010-10-02 10:56, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>
>> I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop&  get a real monitor, to
>> be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
>> are my back&  eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
>> chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
>> could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.
>
> Don't overlook televisions.  I have a HP LP2475w 24" 1920 x 1200 IPS monitor
> for photo work and a couple of TFTs for regular work on my computers.  The
> HP cost me about US$ 600 a year or so ago.  They've since replaced it with
> another model (I can't remember what it is) that's about US$ 400 shipped.
>  They're excellent monitors with good gamut.  /Much/ better than the TFT
> monitors for photo work.
>
> Then a few months ago I "inherited" a home theater PC that a friend was
> trying to build and having trouble with.  I got it working and hooked it up
> to my main A/V system.  It's driving a run-of-the-mill 40" LCD TV and the
> colors are *awesome*.  The blacks, for example, are far deeper than even on
> the HP, and the overall gamut seems to be larger.  That said, I haven't
> calibrated it yet.
>
> But, take a look at some of the LCD TVs before settling on a $1000 monitor.
>  If my TV is any guide, you can get great performance for photos at much
> lower price points in TVs than in computer monitors.
>
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Re: monitor shopping

[steve harley]

On 2010-10-03 11:50 , Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2010-10-02 10:56, Christine Nielsen wrote:


I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop& get a real monitor, to
be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have. Not only
are my back& eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.


Don't overlook televisions. I have a HP LP2475w 24" 1920 x 1200 IPS
monitor for photo work and a couple of TFTs for regular work on my
computers. The HP cost me about US$ 600 a year or so ago. They've since
replaced it with another model (I can't remember what it is) that's
about US$ 400 shipped. They're excellent monitors with good gamut.
/Much/ better than the TFT monitors for photo work.


just a note to keep the terminology on course -- your IPS monitor is a 
TFT also, you are probably meaning to distinguish your two lower-end TN_ 
panels from your higher-end IPS panel




Then a few months ago I "inherited" a home theater PC that a friend was
trying to build and having trouble with. I got it working and hooked it
up to my main A/V system. It's driving a run-of-the-mill 40" LCD TV and
the colors are *awesome*. The blacks, for example, are far deeper than
even on the HP, and the overall gamut seems to be larger. That said, I
haven't calibrated it yet.


TVs are generally TN panels because TN is faster (more suitable for 
moving images) and cheaper; if you are on-center and fairly distant from 
a 40" panel, then the side-to-side variation in color won't have a big 
impact on your viewing, but if several people are watching, or if you 
are close (so you view the edges at a much different angle from the 
center) then TN's angle-of-view limitations will impact you


beyond that i don't feel i know enough to express more than caution 
about the gamut and the default settings of the TV; here is an 
fascinating article that i haven't yet had the patience to fully digest; 
among other things, though, it focuses on sRGB since it is essentially 
the gamut video is made for, where many photographers (and their 
software) are using wider gamuts:





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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

[paul stenquist]

Well done!
Paul
On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

>  Thanks, Steven.
> 
> I really need to immerse myself in Photoshop in order to do anything 
> approaching what P.J. did with that photo.  It really is nice, isn't it?
> 
> -- Walt
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/3/2010 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>> I admit that I am partial tot his kind of effect if it it is done
>> well.  Both of these are good efforts, but the car is wonderful.
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:19 AM, P. J. Alling  
>> wrote:
>>>  Just to be annoying here's one of my efforts, I used a number of layers.
>>> 
>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20chartreusecouperevisited%26revised.html
>>> 
>>> On 10/3/2010 2:10 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
   Thanks, P.J.
 
 You're absolutely right.  I noticed the halo around the bird about ten
 minutes after I'd uploaded it.  Only, I didn't use any layers.  I simply
 desaturated the colors in the original.  I'll see if I can get rid of some
 of that.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 10/3/2010 12:54 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>  Imitation hand coloring of B&W can be effective, but you have to be
> careful to avoid halos around your colored layer.  Just think of it as a
> case of Less is More, unless you intended for it to look the way it does, 
> in
> which case to quote Emily Litela .  /Nevermind/.
> 
> On 10/3/2010 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
>>  Hi all,
>> 
>> This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I got my
>> K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't bring
>> myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever captured
>> that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was absolutely
>> horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x standards.  
>> I
>> messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent mix of brown, 
>> green,
>> rust, and yellow originally) until I finally decided it looked best with
>> everything desaturated out, except for the red of the bird.  I'm still
>> trying to deal with some ugliness on the beak, but I'm slowly getting it 
>> out
>> of there.
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
>> K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec
>> 
>> It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  And
>> this is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor 
>> cropping
>> (I'm trying to stay as close to the original resolution as possible for
>> now).  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, to make it a 
>> more
>> effective image?
>> 
>> Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Walt
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
 
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PAW39 - Sunset

[DagT]

http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, da*16-5...@16mm, 1/90s, f/8, ISO200

DagT
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Re: monitor shopping

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-10-03 14:56, steve harley wrote:


just a note to keep the terminology on course -- your IPS monitor is a
TFT also, you are probably meaning to distinguish your two lower-end TN_
panels from your higher-end IPS panel


Sorry, you are correct, and I did mistype that.

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Re: Learning Lightroom

[drd1135]

I currently use Ps and PS elements but I really need to get LR so I can start 
shooting mostly with raw. It's only $99 after all and I'm just dragging my 
feet. 
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On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

> A couple questions regarding the above -- answers probably obvious, but not 
> knowing gives me pause: If I import junk, e.g., if I simply import everything 
> from my card all at once into one folder, can I delete the junk without 
> gumming up Lightroom's record keeping. Two, can I break such a global import 
> down into categories after importing? I'm asking about the original images, 
> not edited versions.

I went ahead and checked out the first two Adobe tutorials and answered my own 
questions. Time to get started. Hopefully future questions will be a little 
more advanced. [How could they *not* be?]

--
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Decatur, GA  USA
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RE: PAW39 - Sunset

[Bob W]

> http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K20D, da*16-5...@16mm, 1/90s, f/8, ISO200
> 
> DagT
> http://www.thrane.name/

brilliant.




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Re: PESOs from decompression

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What he said . . .
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I like all three, but "Center of Gravity" is my favorite.  It's a 
poignant reminder of the changing of the seasons as summer gives way to 
autumn in the northern hemisphere, nicely symbolized in the sun-kissed 
southern hemispheres of a young female warrior whose countless noble 
causes are enumerated on her wrists.

-- Walt


On 10/2/2010 9:56 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> There are a lot of burning man parties a few weeks after that are called 
> "decompression parties". I stopped by the Santa Cruz decompression party this 
> afternoon for a while, before coming home to wrestle with yardwork.
>
> I did, however, get a few shots while I was there.
>
> Eye of the dragon:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610651/in/set-72157625082869380/
>
> Good Times:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610343/in/set-72157625082869380/
>
> Center of Gravity:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/
>
> --
> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

[Bob Sullivan]

PJ,
Well, not many people know that Herman Gouring made a secret trip to
Japan in 1943.
He shared lens and ariel photography expertise with the Japanese.
I have a special Asahiflex camera that he was given to commorate the visit.
My Uncle Bill acquired it when he served with US Army Counter Intelligence
in Germany (Bavaria?) after the war.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:06 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
>  Bob you're looking at it the wrong way!  Pentax is like Leica now.  Too bad
> the Russians didn't make a decent copy, and the Luftwaffe didn't buy Asahi.
>
>
> On 10/3/2010 9:58 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Great danger of fraud on these, especially at a $2000 price!
>> And a ebayer who calls himself Coopiecat ! ? ? ?
>> I have a collection of 'post' Ashiflex bodies, collected cheap on ebay.
>> Most do not show the wear of these.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> 2010/10/3 Michel Carrère-Gée:
>>>
>>>  Le 03/10/2010 15:35, Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit :

  Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
 - Logo "eye", no AoCo
 - No name "SP" on top
 - Serial number on the back
 - No switch for manual use
 Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460

 See links for large images.

 Michel

>>> Other:
>>> - Logo and "Spotmatic" green tinted
>>> - Screw on the right flank
>>> - Apparent device in the viewfinder (cell?)
>>> - Screw-mount set from the front (4 screws, such as SPF)
>>>
>>>
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Re: ISBN and self-published books

[Igor Roshchin]

> From: David J Brooks
> > and isbn is.
> >
> > Colour me stupid
> 
> International Standard Book Number
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number
> 
> Google "ISBN 9781450709507"
> 
> Not knowing something don't make you stupid. Not asking when you don't
> know does.

That reminded me of this image:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UqUwVPikChs/S4VEg-Fm4wI/MRk/kbVfxvS-w9I/s1600-h/I-will-use-google.gif

(short URL: http://tinyurl.com/I-will-use-google )

:-)

Igor
still jet-lagged and catching up on everything after
coming back from a wonderful trip to the Oz-land (photos are being
processed).



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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

[Dario Bonazza]

Thanks Michel. They look very interesting to me. I'm not thinking to compete 
on those items, but I'm very glad to see them and, as opposed to the 
immediate feeling developed here, I'm rather positive on the authenticity of 
those cameras, for a number of reasons including this one:

www.dariobonazza.com/public/Spotmatic_1963_01.jpg

Dario

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Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Spotmatic prototypes


 Le 03/10/2010 15:35, Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit :



 Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
- Logo "eye", no AoCo
- No name "SP" on top
- Serial number on the back
- No switch for manual use
Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460

See links for large images.

Michel


Other:
- Logo and "Spotmatic" green tinted
- Screw on the right flank
- Apparent device in the viewfinder (cell?)
- Screw-mount set from the front (4 screws, such as SPF)



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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

[eckinator]

2010/10/3 Bob Sullivan :
>
> I have a special Asahiflex camera that he was given to commorate the visit.

the missing link between Pentax and the commorants...

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PESO: Life Savers

[Walter Gilbert]

 Hi all,

Here's a shot I took back in mid-spring -- light streaming through 
stained glass windows onto the stone facade of a Methodist church in 
Paducah, KY.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5048501986/?v=1#/
K-x, Asahi Takumar (Taiwan) 135mm, f/2.8, ISO 200, 1/80 second, aperture 
priority


Comments, critiques, recommendations, and insider trading tips welcome.

Best,

Walt


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Re: PESO - The Way

[Nick Wright]

Very nice.

~Nick
http://blog.nickdavidwright.net/

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:20 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
>  Nicely done.
>
> On 10/3/2010 6:38 AM, frank theriault wrote:
>>
>> Ventured downtown yesterday and saw this signpost for life at Yonge
>> and Dundas in the heart of the shopping district:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/way.html
>>
>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
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Re: Photographers profiles (Chicago)

[Ken Waller]

Rob, this is the PDML. We all sound like tossers.


Hey, watch it, I resemble  that remark

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: "Bob W" 


Subject: RE: Photographers profiles (Chicago)



Hi Team,

Did anything ever happen re: publishing the profiles that were used for

the

photogs who's works were hung in the Dank Haus Gallery? I'd love to see
them as it's something that I have to do and I really haven't a clue 
where

to

start without sounding like a tosser ;-)



Rob, this is the PDML. We all sound like tossers.

Bob



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Peso - trooper

[paul stenquist]

This would have been aesthetically more pleasing as a square crop. But the lady 
with the baby on her chest is selling bread in a booth at a farmer's market, so 
i decided to leave a hint of her work environment in the foreground. She smiles 
through it all, btw. Amazing.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11740481
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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

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I don't understand. I get a picture of the camera surrounded by a bunch of 
Japanese.  
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Thanks Michel. They look very interesting to me. I'm not thinking to compete 
on those items, but I'm very glad to see them and, as opposed to the 
immediate feeling developed here, I'm rather positive on the authenticity of 
those cameras, for a number of reasons including this one:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/Spotmatic_1963_01.jpg

Dario

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  Le 03/10/2010 15:35, Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit :
>
>
>  Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
> - Logo "eye", no AoCo
> - No name "SP" on top
> - Serial number on the back
> - No switch for manual use
> Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460
>
> See links for large images.
>
> Michel
>
Other:
- Logo and "Spotmatic" green tinted
- Screw on the right flank
- Apparent device in the viewfinder (cell?)
- Screw-mount set from the front (4 screws, such as SPF)



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Re: Spotmatic prototypes

[Dario Bonazza]

I meant I have another source for such a camera.
Dario

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I don't understand. I get a picture of the camera surrounded by a bunch of 
Japanese.

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Thanks Michel. They look very interesting to me. I'm not thinking to compete
on those items, but I'm very glad to see them and, as opposed to the
immediate feeling developed here, I'm rather positive on the authenticity of
those cameras, for a number of reasons including this one:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/Spotmatic_1963_01.jpg

Dario

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From: "Michel Carrère-Gée" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Spotmatic prototypes


 Le 03/10/2010 15:35, Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit :



 Unusual Spotmatic prototype on Ebay (2,000 $ !!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059840
- Logo "eye", no AoCo
- No name "SP" on top
- Serial number on the back
- No switch for manual use
Other Spotmatic Motor Drive prototype:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270644059460

See links for large images.

Michel


Other:
- Logo and "Spotmatic" green tinted
- Screw on the right flank
- Apparent device in the viewfinder (cell?)
- Screw-mount set from the front (4 screws, such as SPF)



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Re: Life Savers

[Ken Waller]

Comments, critiques, recommendations, and insider trading tips welcome.


Buy low, sell high - psst, its a secret so keep it under your hat

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Walter Gilbert" 

Subject: PESO: Life Savers



 Hi all,

Here's a shot I took back in mid-spring -- light streaming through 
stained glass windows onto the stone facade of a Methodist church in 
Paducah, KY.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5048501986/?v=1#/
K-x, Asahi Takumar (Taiwan) 135mm, f/2.8, ISO 200, 1/80 second, aperture 
priority


Comments, critiques, recommendations, and insider trading tips welcome.

Best,

Walt



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Re: PAW39 - Sunset

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Stunning!

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> http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
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Re: PESO - The Way

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very effective, Frank.  It really grabs one's attention.

Dan

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:38 AM, frank theriault
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> Ventured downtown yesterday and saw this signpost for life at Yonge
> and Dundas in the heart of the shopping district:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/way.html
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> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>
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> frank
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Re: Peso - trooper

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is a lovely portrait.  The woman's personality certainly comes through.

Dan

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> This would have been aesthetically more pleasing as a square crop. But the 
> lady with the baby on her chest is selling bread in a booth at a farmer's 
> market, so i decided to leave a hint of her work environment in the 
> foreground. She smiles through it all, btw. Amazing.
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Re: Peso - trooper

[Rick Womer]

She smiles until she gets home, dumps the baby in the crib, and kicks the cat 
across the room, anyway...

Very nice shot.  The lighting is great--and the personalities of both the 
infant and the woman (at that moment, anyway!) come through nicely.

Rick


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