Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread P. J. Alling
The local Audubon shop is a Pentax dealer.  So some of Pentax's 
offerings are probably suitable for birding.


I have an older version of their UFC 16x25, (the newer ones are 
waterproof, I think, mine aren't), that work well enough.


They're not particularly expensive, pretty regularly on sale for about 
$160.00.  I have no Idea what they are at regular price. They're light 
weight and fairly sharp.


I also have a pair of compact Nikon binoculars I keep in the glove 
compartment of my car, which are somewhat lower power, and pare of 
conventional design Bushnell glasses that I don't use much.


The most annoying thing about the Pentax glasses is that the rear lens 
caps don't stay on particularly well, always falling off.


On 4/16/2011 11:25 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for birding. Something 
in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50 compact everyday binocs 
we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious birder" category.

My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things equal. 
But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding magazine) put 
Pentax toward the bottom of the list. And I don't want to buy a clearly 
inferior product just for the Pentax name.

So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me that 
I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that concerned 
with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if there is a Pentax 
model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and performance to 
something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. I just don't want 
to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly inferior. And I don't 
have any local stores where I can go and see and try out any of those I am 
thinking about.

I am also toying with the notion of a spotting scope, and Pentax has an 
eyepiece adapter that converts their scopes to a 780mm or 1000mm f/12 K-mount 
lens. But, again, the reviews put Pentax spotting scopes toward the bottom of 
the list. Anyone here with experience with this class of product?

Any information, opinions (informed or otherwise), pointers to good web 
resources, etc. would be greatly appreciated!

stan



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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread Stan Halpin

On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Jim King wrote:

> 
> Stan Halpin wrote on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:25:56 -0700
> 
>> 
>> So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
>> comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me 
>> that 
>> I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that concerned 
>> with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if there is a 
>> Pentax 
>> model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and performance to 
>> something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. I just don't 
>> want 
>> to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly inferior. And I 
>> don't 
>> have any local stores where I can go and see and try out any of those I am 
>> thinking about.
>> 
> 
> Stan, I bought a pair of Pentax DCF SP 8x43 binoculars which were in your 
> price range several years ago and have found them very satisfactory.  I did 
> some web research and found a site with useful info and reviews:  
> http://www.birdwatching.com/index.html
> 
> Regards, Jim 
> 

Thanks all for your comments so far. Jim and Bob, the two Pentax models you 
mention are two that are on my list; I am glad to hear of your positive 
experience! And thanks all for the several new websites for me to check out.
>From what I have read and seen so far, it seems that the Nikon Monarch series 
>is the default choice for many beginning birders ($300 range); Leupold is 
>another brand getting frequent mention for usability and image quality. 

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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread Stan Halpin
On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:18 AM, John Francis wrote:

> 
> So what do $500 binoculars offer that $100 (or $50) ones don't?
> 
> When I wanted something halfway decent I sprang for a pair of
> Minolta 10x50, which set me back something around $80-$100 IIRC.
> They're about as heavy as I'd like to carry around full-time,
> so going for larger front elements wouldn't appeal to me. And
> going for greater than 10x magnification makes for a darker
> image, and more problems hand-holding for a steady view.
> 
> Once you get away from obvious distortions, chromatic aberration,
> and vignetting, the human eye is remarkably accomodating. While
> you don't want a camera to degrade the corners of the image, that's
> a whole lot less important for binoculars; they're a real-time
> device, so you're practically always limiting yourself to using the
> centre of the field of view; if you're interested in something off
> to one side, you just point the binoculars at the area of interest.
> 
Based on limited experience and what I have read (and heard from birders), some 
of what you get for more money is a more solid durable build (the very top end 
have 25 year or lifetime no-questions-asked warranties), waterproof fog free 
construction, multi-coating on inner as well as outer lens surfaces, superior 
ergonomics (comfortable to hold, smooth focus adjustment, solid diopter setting 
that doesn't accidentally move, good eye relief for those who wear glasses), 
less color distortion, less distortion of other kinds. With only brief 
experience with better binocs, I can easily tell the difference between the 
low-end casual user type and a more expensive pair, both in the feel and the 
quality of the image. I suspect that the difference between a $500 pair and a 
$2250 pair may be less dramatic.

stan


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Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera

2011-04-16 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 16, 2011, at 6:55, John Sessoms wrote:

> My FIRST Super Program was packed inside a rucksack that bounced out the back 
> of an Army 5-ton truck during a convoy movement. The rucksack was run over by 
> the next truck in line.
> 

I didn't miss my Super Program when it got stolen.  The LCD displays for the 
readouts were completely useless for night-time and cold-weather photography.

 -Charles

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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 09:23:18PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > 0.25% on $100,000 is $250 for a full year.  A partial year is less.
> > I stopped worrying about squeezing the last $1,000 out of the checking 
> > account
> > so I could earn more interest in the longer term accounts.  Just not worth 
> > it.
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> The way I see the division of labor is that John lets his wife handle all of 
> the financial details, this frees him up to make the important decisions, 
> such as which lenses to buy.
> 

And bodies ...   Mind you, it does mean she decides *when* to buy them.

While we probably don't squeeze the last dollar out of the system, it
certainly isn't difficult to get a whole lot more than 0.25% more than
what you would get from lending the money to the government. And while
that only means an average of $5 per $1000 for each percentage point,
it can still add up to a measurable sum.  Not enough for a K-5, but for
the amount of time she actually spends doing it it's a decent return.

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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Larry,
Weren't you married once upon a time?
You know better than to float this kind of an idea!  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>> John,
>> 0.25% on $100,000 is $250 for a full year.  A partial year is less.
>> I stopped worrying about squeezing the last $1,000 out of the checking 
>> account
>> so I could earn more interest in the longer term accounts.  Just not worth 
>> it.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> The way I see the division of labor is that John lets his wife handle all of 
> the financial details, this frees him up to make the important decisions, 
> such as which lenses to buy.
>
>
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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread Jim King

Stan Halpin wrote on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:25:56 -0700

> Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for 
> birding. 
> Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50 
> compact everyday binocs we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious 
> birder" category.
> 
> My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things 
> equal. 
> But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding magazine) put 
> Pentax toward the bottom of the list. And I don't want to buy a clearly 
> inferior product just for the Pentax name.
> 
> So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
> comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me 
> that 
> I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that concerned 
> with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if there is a 
> Pentax 
> model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and performance to 
> something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. I just don't 
> want 
> to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly inferior. And I don't 
> have any local stores where I can go and see and try out any of those I am 
> thinking about.
> 
> I am also toying with the notion of a spotting scope, and Pentax has an 
> eyepiece adapter that converts their scopes to a 780mm or 1000mm f/12 K-mount 
> lens. But, again, the reviews put Pentax spotting scopes toward the bottom of 
> the list. Anyone here with experience with this class of product?
> 
> Any information, opinions (informed or otherwise), pointers to good web 
> resources, etc. would be greatly appreciated!

Stan, I bought a pair of Pentax DCF SP 8x43 binoculars which were in your price 
range several years ago and have found them very satisfactory.  I did some web 
research and found a site with useful info and reviews:  
http://www.birdwatching.com/index.html

I didn't buy from that site; found the model I wanted for less at another 
online store.

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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> John,
> 0.25% on $100,000 is $250 for a full year.  A partial year is less.
> I stopped worrying about squeezing the last $1,000 out of the checking account
> so I could earn more interest in the longer term accounts.  Just not worth it.
> Regards,  Bob S.

The way I see the division of labor is that John lets his wife handle all of 
the financial details, this frees him up to make the important decisions, such 
as which lenses to buy.


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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread John Francis

So what do $500 binoculars offer that $100 (or $50) ones don't?

When I wanted something halfway decent I sprang for a pair of
Minolta 10x50, which set me back something around $80-$100 IIRC.
They're about as heavy as I'd like to carry around full-time,
so going for larger front elements wouldn't appeal to me. And
going for greater than 10x magnification makes for a darker
image, and more problems hand-holding for a steady view.

Once you get away from obvious distortions, chromatic aberration,
and vignetting, the human eye is remarkably accomodating. While
you don't want a camera to degrade the corners of the image, that's
a whole lot less important for binoculars; they're a real-time
device, so you're practically always limiting yourself to using the
centre of the field of view; if you're interested in something off
to one side, you just point the binoculars at the area of interest.


On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:25:50PM -0400, Stan Halpin wrote:
> Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for 
> birding. Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the 
> $40-50 compact everyday binocs we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ 
> "serious birder" category.
> 
> My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things 
> equal. But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding magazine) 
> put Pentax toward the bottom of the list. And I don't want to buy a clearly 
> inferior product just for the Pentax name.
> 
> So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
> comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me 
> that I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that 
> concerned with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if there 
> is a Pentax model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and 
> performance to something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. I 
> just don't want to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly 
> inferior. And I don't have any local stores where I can go and see and try 
> out any of those I am thinking about.
> 
> I am also toying with the notion of a spotting scope, and Pentax has an 
> eyepiece adapter that converts their scopes to a 780mm or 1000mm f/12 K-mount 
> lens. But, again, the reviews put Pentax spotting scopes toward the bottom of 
> the list. Anyone here with experience with this class of product?
> 
> Any information, opinions (informed or otherwise), pointers to good web 
> resources, etc. would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> stan 
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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
John,
0.25% on $100,000 is $250 for a full year.  A partial year is less.
I stopped worrying about squeezing the last $1,000 out of the checking account
so I could earn more interest in the longer term accounts.  Just not worth it.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:02 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>
> I was using that as a generic term.  In fact she can play games
> moving virtual cash between different investment accounts, so
> the end result is a higher balance in our longer-term, higher-
> interest accounts.  Like I said - she's the professional here.
>
> In any case, just about any strategy beats letting the feds
> have the use of the money for any longer that necessary.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:40:03PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>> Not much interest on those accounts these days.
>> You may need to re-think that strategy...
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:33 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>> >
>> > My wife the accountant decided that this year it was worth paying
>> > a professional Tax preparer, rather than using TurboTax again;
>> > this year filing was a whole lot more complicated than last year.
>> > I don't argue with her when it comes to decisions like that.
>> >
>> > I'm pretty sure the fees we were charged were somewhat less than
>> > the savings from a couple of allowances we weren't claiming before.
>> > The fees were certainly less than 10x the tax bill we ended up with;
>> > we try not to make loans to the government, so we generally have to
>> > send off a four-figure sum with the return (we aim for as large an
>> > amount due as possible without the risk of incurring penalties).
>> > Rather than let the government take it off our payroll checks,
>> > my wife will stick the funds in a short-term investment account.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 04:15:49PM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> >> Yup - been using TurboTax for close to 20 years. ?Happy with the
>> >> results and it's sure cheaper than paying a preparer.
>> >>
>> >> -p
>> >>
>> >> On 4/16/2011 2:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> >> >Turbo Tax Home and Business
>> >> >
>> >> >On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>The cost of the ?tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
>> >> >>taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
>> >> >>If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
>> >> >>buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
>> >> >>little.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts 
>> >> >>?wrote:
>> >> >>>Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
>> >> >>>today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
>> >> >>>Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
>> >> >>>and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...
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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Stan,
I am very happy with my Pentax 8x42 DCF HR II binoculars.
Phase coated, nitrogen filled, water proof, and astoundingly bright!
I liked them so much, I bought a 2nd pair so we both have them.
You won't be happy with Bushnel and I don't know about Nikon or Canon.
See the write-ups at Willowby's in NYC.
Regards,  Bob and Lynn

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for 
> birding. Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the 
> $40-50 compact everyday binocs we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ 
> "serious birder" category.
>
> My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things 
> equal. But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding magazine) 
> put Pentax toward the bottom of the list. And I don't want to buy a clearly 
> inferior product just for the Pentax name.
>
> So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
> comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me 
> that I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that 
> concerned with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if there 
> is a Pentax model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and 
> performance to something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. I 
> just don't want to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly 
> inferior. And I don't have any local stores where I can go and see and try 
> out any of those I am thinking about.
>
> I am also toying with the notion of a spotting scope, and Pentax has an 
> eyepiece adapter that converts their scopes to a 780mm or 1000mm f/12 K-mount 
> lens. But, again, the reviews put Pentax spotting scopes toward the bottom of 
> the list. Anyone here with experience with this class of product?
>
> Any information, opinions (informed or otherwise), pointers to good web 
> resources, etc. would be greatly appreciated!
>
> stan
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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread John Francis

I was using that as a generic term.  In fact she can play games
moving virtual cash between different investment accounts, so
the end result is a higher balance in our longer-term, higher-
interest accounts.  Like I said - she's the professional here.

In any case, just about any strategy beats letting the feds
have the use of the money for any longer that necessary.


On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:40:03PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Not much interest on those accounts these days.
> You may need to re-think that strategy...
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:33 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> >
> > My wife the accountant decided that this year it was worth paying
> > a professional Tax preparer, rather than using TurboTax again;
> > this year filing was a whole lot more complicated than last year.
> > I don't argue with her when it comes to decisions like that.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the fees we were charged were somewhat less than
> > the savings from a couple of allowances we weren't claiming before.
> > The fees were certainly less than 10x the tax bill we ended up with;
> > we try not to make loans to the government, so we generally have to
> > send off a four-figure sum with the return (we aim for as large an
> > amount due as possible without the risk of incurring penalties).
> > Rather than let the government take it off our payroll checks,
> > my wife will stick the funds in a short-term investment account.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 04:15:49PM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> >> Yup - been using TurboTax for close to 20 years. ?Happy with the
> >> results and it's sure cheaper than paying a preparer.
> >>
> >> -p
> >>
> >> On 4/16/2011 2:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >> >Turbo Tax Home and Business
> >> >
> >> >On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>The cost of the ?tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
> >> >>taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
> >> >>If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
> >> >>buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
> >> >>little.
> >> >>
> >> >>On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts 
> >> >>?wrote:
> >> >>>Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
> >> >>>today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
> >> >>>Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
> >> >>>and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...
> >> >>--
> >> >>Godfrey
> >> >> ? godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com
> >> >>
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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread Phil Northeast
I use a pair of Pentax binoculars XCF  10x50.  I think there were a 
little bit cheaper than your price range.


I use them at the local track for watching horse and dog racing from the 
judges tower.  I needed something to help identify colours of the 
jockeys and horse details. For the dogs it is the when the dogs cross 
the timing beams on the far side of the track, of the starting boxes 
start to open.


I find them quite satisfactory.


Phil


On 17/04/11 1:25 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for birding. Something 
in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50 compact everyday binocs 
we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious birder" category.

My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things equal. 
But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding magazine) put 
Pentax toward the bottom of the list. And I don't want to buy a clearly 
inferior product just for the Pentax name.

So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me that 
I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that concerned 
with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if there is a Pentax 
model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and performance to 
something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. I just don't want 
to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly inferior. And I don't 
have any local stores where I can go and see and try out any of those I am 
thinking about.

I am also toying with the notion of a spotting scope, and Pentax has an 
eyepiece adapter that converts their scopes to a 780mm or 1000mm f/12 K-mount 
lens. But, again, the reviews put Pentax spotting scopes toward the bottom of 
the list. Anyone here with experience with this class of product?

Any information, opinions (informed or otherwise), pointers to good web 
resources, etc. would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:

> Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for 
> birding. Something
> in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50 compact 
> everyday binocs
> we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious birder" category.
>
> My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things 
> equal. But the
> few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding magazine) put Pentax 
> toward the bottom
> of the list. And I don't want to buy a clearly inferior product just for the 
> Pentax name.

I've spent a good amount of time around very good birders; at Audubon
events in the Los Angeles area, and on our annual fall migration
vacation to Cape May, NJ. I cannot recall ever seeing a birder with
Pentax binoculars or scopes. At the top end, it's mostly Zeiss, Leica,
and Swarovski. At your price range, there may be good options from
Bushnell and Nikon. There may be useful information at Cape May Bird
Observatory's online store:

http://featheredgeoptics.com/

Another serious binocular vendor is Eagle Optics:

http://www.eagleoptics.com/

My own binoculars are Canon 12x36 Image Stabilized (the original
version, which is no longer on the market). Aside from being
ridiculously heavy, they work very well for me. The IS binocs never
gained much traction in the birding community, though.

For the average birder, I'd be looking for 8x32 or 8x42, with a wide
field of view, good optical quality (based on reviews), and good eye
relief if you wear eyeglasses. I like twist-out eyecups better than
fold-in eyecups, especially if you wear glasses and need to retract
the eyecups. Watch out for other ergonomic "gotchas"; for example, my
IS binoculars have a non-locking diopter setting that "adjusts" itself
randomly as the binoculars bounce around against my chest.

OpTech-style neoprene straps are nice, and make the binoculars feel lighter.

Since you won't be able to try-before-you-buy, make sure your vendor
has a generous return policy.

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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Not much interest on those accounts these days.
You may need to re-think that strategy...
Regards,  Bob S.

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> My wife the accountant decided that this year it was worth paying
> a professional Tax preparer, rather than using TurboTax again;
> this year filing was a whole lot more complicated than last year.
> I don't argue with her when it comes to decisions like that.
>
> I'm pretty sure the fees we were charged were somewhat less than
> the savings from a couple of allowances we weren't claiming before.
> The fees were certainly less than 10x the tax bill we ended up with;
> we try not to make loans to the government, so we generally have to
> send off a four-figure sum with the return (we aim for as large an
> amount due as possible without the risk of incurring penalties).
> Rather than let the government take it off our payroll checks,
> my wife will stick the funds in a short-term investment account.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 04:15:49PM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Yup - been using TurboTax for close to 20 years.  Happy with the
>> results and it's sure cheaper than paying a preparer.
>>
>> -p
>>
>> On 4/16/2011 2:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> >Turbo Tax Home and Business
>> >
>> >On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> >
>> >>The cost of the  tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
>> >>taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
>> >>If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
>> >>buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
>> >>little.
>> >>
>> >>On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> >>>Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
>> >>>today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
>> >>>Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
>> >>>and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...
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OT: Possible enablement - Pentax binoculars?

2011-04-16 Thread Stan Halpin
Meg and I will probably be buying at least one pair of binoculars for birding. 
Something in the $250-500 range - i.e., quite a bit better than the $40-50 
compact everyday binocs we have now, but not anything in the $1000+ "serious 
birder" category.

My inclination to brand loyalty tells me to buy Pentax, all other things equal. 
But the few reviews I have found (e.g., in Cornell's birding magazine) put 
Pentax toward the bottom of the list. And I don't want to buy a clearly 
inferior product just for the Pentax name.

So, anyone here with experience with Pentax binoculars? Can you provide any 
comparisons with other brands in the same price range? Can you convince me that 
I should (or should not) go for a Pentax? Note that I am not that concerned 
with the price as long as it is in my general price range; if there is a Pentax 
model that costs $499 that is equivalent in features and performance to 
something else that costs $349, I would probably buy Pentax. I just don't want 
to pay the same or more for the Pentax if it is clearly inferior. And I don't 
have any local stores where I can go and see and try out any of those I am 
thinking about.

I am also toying with the notion of a spotting scope, and Pentax has an 
eyepiece adapter that converts their scopes to a 780mm or 1000mm f/12 K-mount 
lens. But, again, the reviews put Pentax spotting scopes toward the bottom of 
the list. Anyone here with experience with this class of product?

Any information, opinions (informed or otherwise), pointers to good web 
resources, etc. would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: PESO: Table Mt. Barn

2011-04-16 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Steven and Dan! 

Jack

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> Subject: Re: PESO: Table Mt. Barn
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 5:53 PM
> That's very nice, especially the
> colors.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> > Discovered on a drive this PM.
> >
> > Cliche comments invited.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=590
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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 16, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> Amazing.  Entire set is impressive given the light,

Thanks.  While it's always easy to want a bit more performance, this camera 
certainly has good enough performance for just about any reasonable lighting 
condition.

> but my favs are
> the second side shot of the guy with the sax

I was torn between the sax shots. I liked the energy and composition of the 
first one the best, and the sharpness of the last one best.  Focusing on moving 
musicians in low light with a narrow depth of field lens is a bit of a 
challenge.

> and the "girl with the
> headphones" shots.

Brenda was DJing during band breaks and was picking music while the band played.

> 

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Re: Scavenger hunt II

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
Huzzah!  Looks pretty happy too.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:35 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 08:14:17PM -0400, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>> A smiling bronze statue of a horse?  I assume the balls would be cast.
>
>    http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0849&style=1
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Re: PESO: Surfer

2011-04-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I didn't see any signature, and I didn't make the connection, so I
referred to you by your

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Hey Dan,
>
> drd is Steve Desjardins(me).  It's my gmail handle.  ;-)
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> Thanks for the comments, Rick, Jack and drd.
>>
>>  I had to guess about shutter speed and aperture.  I was on a rise
>> I  Ho'opika Beach on the North Shore of Maui.  The sun was
>> very bright, and my eyesight is not what it used to be,  so my ability
>> to judge how the images were coming out was limited.  I was also quite
>> far away, using an 80-200 zoom.  Even then, This image has been
>> cropped quite a bit.  All in all, I am relatively happy with it,
>> although it could certainly be sharper.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:43 AM,   wrote:
>>> Classic and nicely done.
>>> --Original Message--
>>> From: Daniel J. Matyola
>>> Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> ReplyTo: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: PESO: Surfer
>>> Sent: Apr 15, 2011 11:22 PM
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12945067
>>>
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Re: PESO: Table Mt. Barn

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's very nice, especially the colors.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Discovered on a drive this PM.
>
> Cliche comments invited.
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=590
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Re: Surfer

2011-04-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Yes.  I left my 300mm home, and I regretted it for the hour I spent
watching the surfers.  With the new airline restrictions on check-in
bags and carry-on bags, I no longer take my big camera bag when we
travel;  just one body and two zooms.  Oh well.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Looks like you need more lens.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
> 
> Subject: PESO: Surfer
>
>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12945067
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
In the end, it probably doesn't matter. The Vegas statue is a replica and the 
image on the stamp is tiny. 
Paul
On Apr 16, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> The U.S. Postal Service wanted to make a "Statue of Liberty" stamp. So
> they bought a photo of the Statue of Liberty from a stock photo
> agency, made it into a stamp and printed three billion of them.
> 
> Turns out the photo was of the replica Statue of Liberty in Las Vegas,
> not the real thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13101814
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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 16, 2011, at 14:32, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing 
> that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when 
> there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some 
> cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it might 
> have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright lights in 
> the background out of clipping and into color.
> 
> pictures at:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
> or:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
> 

Fantastic-looking set of shots.  The noise, as you say, is "pretty freaking 
amazing".   You got far more "keepers" here, I would wager, than you would have 
gotten with a flash going off.

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Re: Adjustment surprise

2011-04-16 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> I finally got around to printing out a focus test chart, setting up
> the tripod, and setting the K-5 focus adjustment for my lenses.
> Strangely enough, they all seemed perfectly dialed-in, with the
> exception of a +3 bump for the Sigma 30mmF1.4.  This is more than a
> little strange because on the K20D, the 40mm pancake limited needed a
> big adjust and I'm pretty sure the Sigma was a little bit on the minus
> side.
> 
> So front/back focus is a function of the lens *and* the body...  -T

Definitely. My lenses were much closer on the K-5 than on either the K20 or the 
K-7. Most of mine required no adjustment on the K-5. The exceptions were the 
screw rive FA 35 and FA 50, which require a small amount of adjustment if I 
recall.
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Re: PESO: Table Mt. Barn

2011-04-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice composition, nice colors.

Dan

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Re: Table Mt. Barn

2011-04-16 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Ken! Yeah, the light was especially harsh and the image does suffer 
some as a result. It's just a quick spring souvenir.

Jack

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> From: Ken Waller 
> Subject: Re: Table Mt. Barn
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> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 4:58 PM
> The line of poppies gives this image
> a very 3 dimensional look & takes it out of the ordinary
> - too  bad about the harsh light.light.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: PESO: Table Mt. Barn
> 
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Adjustment surprise

2011-04-16 Thread Tim Bray
I finally got around to printing out a focus test chart, setting up
the tripod, and setting the K-5 focus adjustment for my lenses.
Strangely enough, they all seemed perfectly dialed-in, with the
exception of a +3 bump for the Sigma 30mmF1.4.  This is more than a
little strange because on the K20D, the 40mm pancake limited needed a
big adjust and I'm pretty sure the Sigma was a little bit on the minus
side.

So front/back focus is a function of the lens *and* the body...  -T

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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
Amazing.  Entire set is impressive given the light, but my favs are
the second side shot of the guy with the sax and the "girl with the
headphones" shots.

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> There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various 
> reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available light. 
> The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to boost 
> the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO 
> 20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but the 
> quality of the noise.
>
> With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the K-5 
> even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of those 
> paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling?  Impressionistic?
>
> Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing 
> that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when 
> there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some 
> cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it might 
> have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright lights in 
> the background out of clipping and into color.
>
> pictures at:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
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Re: peso: Turbulent Waters

2011-04-16 Thread Tim Bray
Man, this kind of thing is why I love PDML.  I had never seen a
picture remotely like that nor imagined such a thing.  Great shot
Steve, thanks for the surprise.  -T

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> including so local flooding.  Of course, some idiot always brings his
> camera.  This one is right over the edge of the bridge, which was
> still barely above water.
>
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's right!  Damn you!  God damn you all to hell . . .

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>>I thought the Statue of Liberty was in Vegas . . .
>
> You're thinking of the Planet of the Apes movie, I think.
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Desjardins" 

Subject: Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies



I thought the Statue of Liberty was in Vegas . . .


And I thought it was Polish.



On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:09 PM, William Robb
 wrote:

On 16/04/2011 4:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


The U.S. Postal Service wanted to make a "Statue of Liberty" stamp. So
they bought a photo of the Statue of Liberty from a stock photo
agency, made it into a stamp and printed three billion of them.

Turns out the photo was of the replica Statue of Liberty in Las Vegas,
not the real thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13101814
:-)



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Re: Table Mt. Barn

2011-04-16 Thread Ken Waller
The line of poppies gives this image a very 3 dimensional look & takes it 
out of the ordinary - too  bad about the harsh light.light.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 

Subject: PESO: Table Mt. Barn



Discovered on a drive this PM.

Cliche comments invited.

Jack

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Re: PESO: Surfer

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
Hey Dan,

drd is Steve Desjardins(me).  It's my gmail handle.  ;-)

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Thanks for the comments, Rick, Jack and drd.
>
>  I had to guess about shutter speed and aperture.  I was on a rise
> overlooking Ho'opika Beach on the North Shore of Maui.  The sun was
> very bright, and my eyesight is not what it used to be,  so my ability
> to judge how the images were coming out was limited.  I was also quite
> far away, using an 80-200 zoom.  Even then, This image has been
> cropped quite a bit.  All in all, I am relatively happy with it,
> although it could certainly be sharper.
>
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:43 AM,   wrote:
>> Classic and nicely done.
>> --Original Message--
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>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12945067
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RE: peso: Turbulent Waters

2011-04-16 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Baking batter or chocolate milk... 

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Subject: peso: Turbulent Waters

As you may have heard, we had some bad storms in Virginia today, including
so local flooding.  Of course, some idiot always brings his camera.  This
one is right over the edge of the bridge, which was still barely above
water.

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1254227545_dFk9Lv
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread William Robb

On 16/04/2011 5:26 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I thought the Statue of Liberty was in Vegas . . .



You are thinking of the Statuesque of Liberty.

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Re: Surfer

2011-04-16 Thread Ken Waller

Looks like you need more lens.

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Subject: PESO: Surfer



http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12945067

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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Steven Desjardins wrote:

>I thought the Statue of Liberty was in Vegas . . .

You're thinking of the Planet of the Apes movie, I think.
 
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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread John Francis

My wife the accountant decided that this year it was worth paying
a professional Tax preparer, rather than using TurboTax again;
this year filing was a whole lot more complicated than last year.
I don't argue with her when it comes to decisions like that.

I'm pretty sure the fees we were charged were somewhat less than
the savings from a couple of allowances we weren't claiming before.
The fees were certainly less than 10x the tax bill we ended up with;
we try not to make loans to the government, so we generally have to
send off a four-figure sum with the return (we aim for as large an
amount due as possible without the risk of incurring penalties).
Rather than let the government take it off our payroll checks,
my wife will stick the funds in a short-term investment account.


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> Yup - been using TurboTax for close to 20 years.  Happy with the
> results and it's sure cheaper than paying a preparer.
> 
> -p
> 
> On 4/16/2011 2:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >Turbo Tax Home and Business
> >
> >On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >
> >>The cost of the  tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
> >>taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
> >>If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
> >>buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
> >>little.
> >>
> >>On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> >>>Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
> >>>today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
> >>>Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
> >>>and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
I thought the Statue of Liberty was in Vegas . . .

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 7:09 PM, William Robb
 wrote:
> On 16/04/2011 4:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> The U.S. Postal Service wanted to make a "Statue of Liberty" stamp. So
>> they bought a photo of the Statue of Liberty from a stock photo
>> agency, made it into a stamp and printed three billion of them.
>>
>> Turns out the photo was of the replica Statue of Liberty in Las Vegas,
>> not the real thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13101814
>> :-)
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peso: Turbulent Waters

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
As you may have heard, we had some bad storms in Virginia today,
including so local flooding.  Of course, some idiot always brings his
camera.  This one is right over the edge of the bridge, which was
still barely above water.

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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread William Robb

On 16/04/2011 4:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

The U.S. Postal Service wanted to make a "Statue of Liberty" stamp. So
they bought a photo of the Statue of Liberty from a stock photo
agency, made it into a stamp and printed three billion of them.

Turns out the photo was of the replica Statue of Liberty in Las Vegas,
not the real thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13101814
:-)



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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
that is both funny and sad.

G

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 3:56 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> awesome. nice job =)
>
> 2011/4/17 Mark Roberts :
>> The U.S. Postal Service wanted to make a "Statue of Liberty" stamp. So
>> they bought a photo of the Statue of Liberty from a stock photo
>> agency, made it into a stamp and printed three billion of them.
>>
>> Turns out the photo was of the replica Statue of Liberty in Las Vegas,
>> not the real thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13101814
>> :-)
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Re: Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread eckinator
awesome. nice job =)

2011/4/17 Mark Roberts :
> The U.S. Postal Service wanted to make a "Statue of Liberty" stamp. So
> they bought a photo of the Statue of Liberty from a stock photo
> agency, made it into a stamp and printed three billion of them.
>
> Turns out the photo was of the replica Statue of Liberty in Las Vegas,
> not the real thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13101814
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Re: PESO Virtual tours

2011-04-16 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-04-16 5:56 AM, Toine wrote:

I'm currently 100% into panoramamode. Next year our libraries all move
to a new building and I want to document everything with virtual
tours. The first one is now ready after I solved how to do it:

http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/182-virtual-tours

Toine


That was fun!  Though I was hoping to find a mailbox or an Elvish sword 
of great antiquity.


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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread mike wilson

On 16/04/2011 21:32, Larry Colen wrote:

There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various reasons 
I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available light. The 
musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to boost the ISO 
to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO 20,00. The 
thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but the quality of 
the noise.

With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the K-5 
even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of those 
paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling?  Impressionistic?


Pointillism.  You're not quite there, as you can see from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointillism  You are, indeed, closer to 
stippling.


One of the best-known examples:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/A_Sunday_on_La_Grande_Jatte%2C_Georges_Seurat%2C_1884.jpg

Nearest I've seen photographically were slides from Agfa ASA1000.



Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing that 
I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when there are 
bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some cases I get 
this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it might have 
something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright lights in the 
background out of clipping and into color.

pictures at:
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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've done the same for many years, but I closed two businesses last
year and the complexity of the filing instructions got to me. Making a
mistake would cost me a lot more than having a preparer do the job,
and/or support me if I needed help during editing and with resultant
penalties.

I don't enjoying paying the bill for a preparer, but there are times
when it is the right thing to do.


On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> Yup - been using TurboTax for close to 20 years.  Happy with the results and
> it's sure cheaper than paying a preparer.
>
> -p
>
> On 4/16/2011 2:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> Turbo Tax Home and Business
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>>> The cost of the  tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
>>> taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
>>> If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
>>> buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
>>> little.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts
>>>  wrote:

 Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
 today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
 Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
 and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...
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Re: PDML Annual Received

2011-04-16 Thread Christine Nielsen
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> When I ordered mine they gave an expected ship date of April 20. I
> just checked and they've already shipped. Should arrive on the 19th
> (it probably would be on the 18th except that it's a holiday in
> Massachusetts).

Mine arrived today!  Looks great.

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PESO: Table Mt. Barn

2011-04-16 Thread Jack Davis
Discovered on a drive this PM.

Cliche comments invited.

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=590

K-5, DA 16-45@45mm, f/13, 1/800, ISO 800, bean bag resting on a strand of 
barbed wire.

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Another reason not to buy photos from stock agencies

2011-04-16 Thread Mark Roberts
The U.S. Postal Service wanted to make a "Statue of Liberty" stamp. So
they bought a photo of the Statue of Liberty from a stock photo
agency, made it into a stamp and printed three billion of them.

Turns out the photo was of the replica Statue of Liberty in Las Vegas,
not the real thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13101814
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Re: 645D pro-grade service arrangement

2011-04-16 Thread eckinator
Want me to payJens Petersen a visit and tell him to hurry up?
It is only a 10 minute drive ]=)
Cheers
Ecke

2011/4/16 AlunFoto :
> My 645D is currently in Belgium for realignment of the mirror and/or
> matte screen position. There was a mismatch between viewfinder focus
> and AF focus. The AF was correct, so it took me a while to realise
> there actually was a problem. It was negligable at normal focal
> lenghts, noticeable at 300mm, and a true nightmare for macro focusing.
>
> According to the repair guy, mirror/matte misalignment is one of the
> most common problems with both Nikon and Pentax in general (those are
> the only brands he repairs), and that it is an easy fix on most
> cameras. However, he said, he was not allowed to do his magic on the
> 645D. The camera had to go to a contracted repair shop authorised by
> Pentax. Since I really trust the skills of our local repair guy,
> that's a downer. The good news is that he told me he has a special
> padded suitcase with prearranged express delivery reserved for the
> 645D. There is apparently also a policy to keep workshop time down to
> max 3 days.
>
> To me this sounds like the kind of pro-grade service arrangement that
> we have often lamented the lack of. I guess Pentax would really shoot
> themselves in the foot if no such thing was arranged for the 645D, but
> it can't hurt to spread the rumor of its actual excistence either.
>
> If the camera is back in my hands before Easter, I may even resort to
> being impressed. :-)
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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris,
I like that 2nd one much better than your tree leaves photo.
The wavey surface of the water makes for interesting reflections.
And the majority of the information confined to the top is a good composition.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in the club. So here
> is my contribution:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html
>
> Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for you to look at:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html
>
> Be brutal and honest.
>
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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Paul Sorenson
Yup - been using TurboTax for close to 20 years.  Happy with the results 
and it's sure cheaper than paying a preparer.


-p

On 4/16/2011 2:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Turbo Tax Home and Business

On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


The cost of the  tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
little.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...

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Re: PESO: Surfer

2011-04-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for the comments, Rick, Jack and drd.

 I had to guess about shutter speed and aperture.  I was on a rise
overlooking Ho'opika Beach on the North Shore of Maui.  The sun was
very bright, and my eyesight is not what it used to be,  so my ability
to judge how the images were coming out was limited.  I was also quite
far away, using an 80-200 zoom.  Even then, This image has been
cropped quite a bit.  All in all, I am relatively happy with it,
although it could certainly be sharper.

Dan

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> Classic and nicely done.
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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-04-16 3:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the K-5 
even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of those 
paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling?  Impressionistic?


It's really important with higher ISO noise on the K20 to crank the 
Colour noise slider up a bunch in ACR or LR. Sometimes just pulling it 
up to 50 fixes any colour aberrations without messing up detail.


I always found the noise dithering to be already fairly film-like in the 
K20. Your examples in the K-5 show me that Pentax has continued that 
process and improved it.


Very nice!

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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like the composition of the parachute flyer. It's not a cliche by any means. 
A slightly longer lens would have made it even better, but it's a worthy photo 
as shown.
The reflection is a decent abstraction. Doesn't blow me away, but it's 
definitely worth a look. 
Paul
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> Hi!
> 
> If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in the club. So here is 
> my contribution:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html
> 
> Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for you to look at:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html
> 
> Be brutal and honest.
> 
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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Some nice shots here.

Thanks.  

> I continue to be impressed by the K-5's capabilities.


Same here, for values of impressed -> blown away.

I did find myself wishing I had an 85/1.4 just for that extra 2/3 of a stop.

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RE: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Sorry I should have made that statement more clear I didn't mean that since
it was a cliché photo that it could not be a nice image. I was confused as
to what was supposed to be cliché about the photo itself.



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On 4/16/2011 19:49, Jeffery Johnson wrote:
> Maybe it is me but Boris how is the first one a cliché? It is a nice 
> capture.

Jeffery, the simple seascape with blue water and sky is probably very
cliche. A para glider is also very much cliche in certain places where this
is being practiced. I think that cliche background plus cliche subject still
produce a cliche image.

It does not mean however, that cliche image cannot be nice...

Boris

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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Some nice shots here. I continue to be impressed by the K-5's capabilities.

Paul
On Apr 16, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various 
> reasons I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available light. 
> The musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to boost 
> the ISO to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO 
> 20,00. The thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but the 
> quality of the noise.
> 
> With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the K-5 
> even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of those 
> paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling?  Impressionistic?
> 
> Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing 
> that I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when 
> there are bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some 
> cases I get this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it might 
> have something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright lights in 
> the background out of clipping and into color.
> 
> pictures at:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Turbo Tax Home and Business

On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> The cost of the  tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
> taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
> If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
> buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
> little.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
>> today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
>> Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
>> and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...
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Re: K5 hanged and a question about it

2011-04-16 Thread Bulent Celasun
I agree with what Cory has already said.
Nothing to worry about... yet !

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Re: K5 hanged and a question about it

2011-04-16 Thread Cory Waters
I don't think I'd worry about it.  My *istD did this a few times.  The 
K10 has done it too.
Remember, you're carrying around a *computer*.  Sometimes, the best 
advice is a clean reboot.


You might want to keep track of when it happens though in case it starts 
to do this regularly.


Cory


On 4/16/2011 12:58 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

We had a fun day in the company where I work last Thursday. Towards the
evening the impromptu basket ball game came about. I decided I ought to
have my portion of fun shooting it... So I turned my camera to
continuous AF mode and metering to sport program and went on. Towards
the end of the game the camera froze. I was following some action with
shutter button half pressed and suddenly I noticed no response
whatsoever. Had to take out the battery. No damage was done to the
images on the card and after re-start camera worked properly.

Any ideas if it is just a passing event or is there anything specific I
might wanna check with my K-5? The firmware is the latest version from
Pentax Japan site.

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Re: High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Bulent Celasun
Those are certainly the best photos I have seen until now at that ISO.
Some are plain beautiful. I believe they allow some perfect B&W prints
to be made.


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High ISO noise on the K-5

2011-04-16 Thread Larry Colen
There was a live band at the weekly blues dance last night. For various reasons 
I decided not to shoot with flash, but just go with available light. The 
musicians would nod their heads fast enough that I kept having to boost the ISO 
to get a fast enough shutter speed, and ended up shooting at ISO 20,00. The 
thing that impresses me the most isn't the lack of noise, but the quality of 
the noise.

With my K20 the noise was mostly blue, which just looked bad.  With the K-5 
even when the noise is really obvious, it looks almost like one of those 
paintings that are done with making little dots. Stippling?  Impressionistic?

Mind you, for ISO 20,000, the noise is pretty freaking amazing.  The thing that 
I notice more than the noise in some shots is the dynamic range, when there are 
bright lights in the background, posterization abounds. In some cases I get 
this weird halo effect around the people, I suspect that it might have 
something to do with the out of focus blur bringing the bright lights in the 
background out of clipping and into color.

pictures at:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/
or:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157626511238830/

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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The cost of the  tax preparer this year outstripped what I owed in
taxes by almost 10:1. Grr.
If it had been more reasonable, I would likely have used the money to
buy a plane ticket somewhere ... Oh well. That will have to wait a
little.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Noticed that my income tax refund had appeared on my bank statement
> today. And it was several hundred dollars *more* than I'd asked for.
> Seems I made a mistake in the government's favor and they caught it
> and corrected it. I suspect some enablement may result...

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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I like the "cliche" very much.  The other I don't understand and don't
know what to make of it.  But then, what the hell do I know?

Dan M

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> Hi!
>
> If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in the club. So here
> is my contribution:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html
>
> Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for you to look at:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html
>
> Be brutal and honest.
>
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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> If I grok rightly,

Is this the place to discuss whether you grok grok?

> there is a "cliche" theme going on in the club. So here is my contribution:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html

I don't think this quite falls into cliche.   It is nice.  

I'd crop a bit of the sky above the parachute, maybe even a little bit of the 
sea and get a square format.
> 
> Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for you to look at:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html

This works a lot better than the reflections of the tree. It's a lot less 
cluttered. Write a paragraph about your feelings as you took  it and it'll be 
downright Godfreyesque. In a good way, that is.

> 
> Be brutal and honest.
> 
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Re: PESO Virtual tours

2011-04-16 Thread Bulent Celasun
This is lovely and informative.
A perfect utilisation of the technique...

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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Rick Womer
You keep wanting brutality for some reason.  Well, if you insist...



Boris, you photographic chimpanzee, you have failed miserably in creating a 
truly trite photo.  The subject matter is =interesting=, dammit, and if the 
shot is to be truly trite the subject matter has to be commonplace.  Yellow 
flower on a blue background, trite.  Powered yellow hang glider over the sea 
and against the sky, not trite. Sheesh.  You clearly need a lobotomy to produce 
adequate triteness.

Sneering nastily,

Rick

 



I would enjoy the second photo more if I could identify what is being reflected.

Cheers,

Rick

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--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Boris Liberman  wrote:

> From: Boris Liberman 
> Subject: Boris PESOs #10 and #11
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 12:41 PM
> Hi!
> 
> If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in
> the club. So here is my contribution:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html
> 
> Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for
> you to look at:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html
> 
> Be brutal and honest.
> 
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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> On 4/14/2011 07:22, Larry Colen wrote:
>> It took me a moment to figure out why the tree was not blurry, yet
>> not quite sharp.
>> 
>> It doesn't quite work for me, especially at the small size on your
>> first page.
>> 
>> The first thing I would try is flipping it upside down, so that the
>> tree is growing up rather than down.
>> 
>> Then, if I were to have the picture stand on it's own, I'd kodalith
>> it, dial the contrast to 11 so that it was either black or white, not
>> a shred of grey.
>> 
>> The other thing that I might do to it, is dial it down to the other
>> direction, so that it is just subtle shades of grey, and use it as a
>> computer background.
> 
> Thanks, Larry.
> 
> Some interesting suggestions that I would sure try.
> 
> What is it "kodalith"?

Kodalith is very high contrast film.  What I meant was to play with the curves, 
black point and exposure to get a pure black and white version of the photo.
Like I did with this one:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rainbeau-Pictures/196615353705392?ref=ts


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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Jack Davis
A wall space filler perhaps casually noticed out of the corner of ones eye. 
Won't stand critical review. 

Jack

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> Subject: Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions
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> On 4/13/2011 21:05, Jack Davis
> wrote:
> > Would work for me only as a peripherally detected
> black and white pattern.
> >
> > Jack
> 
> Hmmm... What do you mean by "peripherally detected"???
> Confuses me...
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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Jack Davis
First (top) image nicely composed and pleasingly toned.
Second image is a mystery. :)

Jack

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> Subject: Boris PESOs #10 and #11
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> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 9:41 AM
> Hi!
> 
> If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in
> the club. So here is my contribution:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html
> 
> Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for
> you to look at:
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html
> 
> Be brutal and honest.
> 
> Boris
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Re: K5 hanged and a question about it

2011-04-16 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
. Towards the end of the game the
> camera froze. I was following some action with shutter button half pressed
> and suddenly I noticed no response whatsoever.

Next time try using the "machine gun" style on the shutter release, in
AF-S. Thats how i do action photos, just keep tapping on the shutter
release until i see what i want then take the shot. No camera has hung
up on me this way. It could be something just hung up in the computing
end of it, to much focus info or such.

Dave
>
> Any ideas if it is just a passing event or is there anything specific I
> might wanna check with my K-5? The firmware is the latest version from
> Pentax Japan site.
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Re: K5 hanged and a question about it

2011-04-16 Thread David J Brooks
Maybe yours is dialed in for hockey, not basketball

Dave

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> Hi!
>
> We had a fun day in the company where I work last Thursday. Towards the
> evening the impromptu basket ball game came about. I decided I ought to have
> my portion of fun shooting it... So I turned my camera to continuous AF mode
> and metering to sport program and went on. Towards the end of the game the
> camera froze. I was following some action with shutter button half pressed
> and suddenly I noticed no response whatsoever. Had to take out the battery.
> No damage was done to the images on the card and after re-start camera
> worked properly.
>
> Any ideas if it is just a passing event or is there anything specific I
> might wanna check with my K-5? The firmware is the latest version from
> Pentax Japan site.
>
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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 4/16/2011 19:48, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Nice. I like the rich blues.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Dave, what if I told you that the next day (a.k.a. today) we had +36C around
> here?

To hot for this cowboy.:-)

Dave
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K5 hanged and a question about it

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

We had a fun day in the company where I work last Thursday. Towards the 
evening the impromptu basket ball game came about. I decided I ought to 
have my portion of fun shooting it... So I turned my camera to 
continuous AF mode and metering to sport program and went on. Towards 
the end of the game the camera froze. I was following some action with 
shutter button half pressed and suddenly I noticed no response 
whatsoever. Had to take out the battery. No damage was done to the 
images on the card and after re-start camera worked properly.


Any ideas if it is just a passing event or is there anything specific I 
might wanna check with my K-5? The firmware is the latest version from 
Pentax Japan site.


Boris

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Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/13/2011 23:24, Bulent Celasun wrote:

A fellow PDML member (Ms. Ann Sanfedele, if my memory is serving me
well) has suggested that I should submit more to PPG.


Most certainly you should, Bulent. Most certainly indeed.

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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/16/2011 19:48, David J Brooks wrote:

Nice. I like the rich blues.

Dave


Dave, what if I told you that the next day (a.k.a. today) we had +36C 
around here?


Boris

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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/16/2011 19:49, Jeffery Johnson wrote:

Maybe it is me but Boris how is the first one a cliché? It is a nice
capture.


Jeffery, the simple seascape with blue water and sky is probably very 
cliche. A para glider is also very much cliche in certain places where 
this is being practiced. I think that cliche background plus cliche 
subject still produce a cliche image.


It does not mean however, that cliche image cannot be nice...

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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/14/2011 07:20, Christine Aguila wrote:

That's interesting, Boris! I like it. Cheers, Christine


Thanks, Christine.

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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/14/2011 07:22, Larry Colen wrote:

It took me a moment to figure out why the tree was not blurry, yet
not quite sharp.

It doesn't quite work for me, especially at the small size on your
first page.

The first thing I would try is flipping it upside down, so that the
tree is growing up rather than down.

Then, if I were to have the picture stand on it's own, I'd kodalith
it, dial the contrast to 11 so that it was either black or white, not
a shred of grey.

The other thing that I might do to it, is dial it down to the other
direction, so that it is just subtle shades of grey, and use it as a
computer background.


Thanks, Larry.

Some interesting suggestions that I would sure try.

What is it "kodalith"?

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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/14/2011 01:13, Bob W wrote:

It looks like Pollocks.


I like it.


Hmmm. I take it you meant it as a compliment. On the other hand you 
produced a bit of serious critique. I appreciate that. You see, I was 
going after (post)impressionist effect due to the way the reflection off 
the water worked. But even if I did not hit the mark, looks like it was 
at least semi-successful...


Boris

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RE: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Maybe it is me but Boris how is the first one a cliché? It is a nice
capture.

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Hi!

If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in the club. So here
is my contribution:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html

Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for you to look at:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.
html

Be brutal and honest.

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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/14/2011 00:49, Rick Womer wrote:

It's too much of a jumble to work for me, Boris.

Rick


Thanks, Rick. Point taken!

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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/13/2011 21:05, Jack Davis wrote:

Would work for me only as a peripherally detected black and white pattern.

Jack


Hmmm... What do you mean by "peripherally detected"??? Confuses me...

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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/13/2011 20:08, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

That works nicely, Boris!


Thanks, Godfrey.


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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/13/2011 20:05, Bill Owens wrote:

Sorry, Boris, but doesn't do anything for me

Bill


Thanks, Bill. If you could elaborate a bit, it would be swell. You see, 
I think that negative feedback is most important as if taken properly it 
allows one to move forward.


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Re: Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread David J Brooks
Nice. I like the rich blues.

Dave

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in the club. So here
> is my contribution:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html
>
> Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for you to look at:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html
>
> Be brutal and honest.
>
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Re: The silliest thing you ever did with your camera

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/14/2011 21:30, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

I was in college and had shot 35mm during HS and had also made good
use of my GIII just before getting the K1000.  So when a popular
speaker came to the college I got there early and got a front-row
set.  Then I sat on the floor and shot up at him as he spoke, walked,
and gestured.  He got quite animated for the cameras.  (Some people
really enjoy being photographed.)

Anyway, afterward I noticed that the film rewound too quickly.  And
we all know what that means.  (Or is that assuming too much these
days?  Have people forgotten?)


Well, accidentally or incidentally or both similar thing happened to me 
and my Zenit ET camera. Once I misloaded the film, I got so upset I gave 
the camera away and eventually bought a point and shoot that had film 
loading automated. Then I got a video camera and finally I bought my 
first Pentax.


So, in a retrospect, I wouldn't probably call it the silliest thing, but 
it was pretty silly at the time...


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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM, William Robb
 wrote:
> On 16/04/2011 7:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>
>> i pay every year, part of the enablement
>>
>>  fund goes to our gov,
>
> Don't think of it as part of your enablement fund leaving, think of it as
> sharing in your good fortune to allow the government to have it's own
> enablement fund.

Ya, but they always buy the cheaper third party MF stuff.

Dave
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Boris PESOs #10 and #11

2011-04-16 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

If I grok rightly, there is a "cliche" theme going on in the club. So 
here is my contribution:


http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-11-cliche.html

Also, not totally un-cliche, but still, another image for you to look at:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-10-reflections-and-shades.html

Be brutal and honest.

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Re: Well this is interesting...

2011-04-16 Thread William Robb

On 16/04/2011 7:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:


i pay every year, part of the enablement

  fund goes to our gov,


Don't think of it as part of your enablement fund leaving, think of it 
as sharing in your good fortune to allow the government to have it's own 
enablement fund.


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Creating sun light in studio.

2011-04-16 Thread David J Brooks
This link was posted on Lightrooms face book site. Thought it was
interesting. Atleast you can see the step by step in the process.
There is a quick smart phone ad at the start.
http://www.learnmyshot.com/How-to-Create-Sunshine-Effect-in-Studio-with-Artificial-Sunlight

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Re: PESO Virtual tours

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Yes, Impressive!
I love the little jump icons that let you change rooms.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> to a new building and I want to document everything with virtual
> tours. The first one is now ready after I solved how to do it:
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/182-virtual-tours
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Re: PDML Annual Received

2011-04-16 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:

>On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> Well, heck.  Mine's not even supposed to ship until the 20th.
>>
>> Rick
>
>Same as mine

When I ordered mine they gave an expected ship date of April 20. I
just checked and they've already shipped. Should arrive on the 19th
(it probably would be on the 18th except that it's a holiday in
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Re: YouTube: Shooting snowboarding with the 645D

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
The old saying goes 'Any publicity is good publicity!'
Regards,  Bob S.

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> huge posters and wags his tail over not having to interpolate the
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>
> I share your sentiment on the publicity thing though. My guess is that
> his intended audience is either snowboarders and/or customers looking
> for ski sport photos, or maybe a community of photographers working in
> winter sports photography. Must be a pretty narrow niche whatever way
> you look at it...
>
> Jostein
>
> 2011/4/16 Rob Studdert :
>> On 16 April 2011 16:36, AlunFoto  wrote:
>>> I'll do the camera, so you do the snowboarding, Bob. :-)
>>>
>>> Some awesome light setup they got there. Wonder how many sherpas he
>>> actually employ...
>>
>> Honestly I can't see how the 645 would have been of significant
>> advantage for the reasons that he suggests in that clip. I don't know
>> if it's good or bad publicity, depends who you are trying to convince
>> I guess.
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Re: PESO: Surfer

2011-04-16 Thread Rick Womer
Very nice!  When I click on the pic to enlarge it, there is still some motion 
blur in the surfer, even at 1/750--might have traded a stop of aperture (was 
f/13) for a faster shutter.

Rick

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Re: YouTube: Shooting snowboarding with the 645D

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
Make that "Field" camera.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> I think it just enhances the reputation as a filed camera as opposed
> to a studio camera.  After all, he actually says that early on.  To
> me, the outdoor market has always been a target for the 645 and now
> the 645D.
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> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 3:06 AM, AlunFoto  wrote:
>> He mentions something about the number of pixels involved for doing
>> huge posters and wags his tail over not having to interpolate the
>> photo to get there.
>>
>> I share your sentiment on the publicity thing though. My guess is that
>> his intended audience is either snowboarders and/or customers looking
>> for ski sport photos, or maybe a community of photographers working in
>> winter sports photography. Must be a pretty narrow niche whatever way
>> you look at it...
>>
>> Jostein
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>> 2011/4/16 Rob Studdert :
>>> On 16 April 2011 16:36, AlunFoto  wrote:
 I'll do the camera, so you do the snowboarding, Bob. :-)

 Some awesome light setup they got there. Wonder how many sherpas he
 actually employ...
>>>
>>> Honestly I can't see how the 645 would have been of significant
>>> advantage for the reasons that he suggests in that clip. I don't know
>>> if it's good or bad publicity, depends who you are trying to convince
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Re: YouTube: Shooting snowboarding with the 645D

2011-04-16 Thread Steven Desjardins
I think it just enhances the reputation as a filed camera as opposed
to a studio camera.  After all, he actually says that early on.  To
me, the outdoor market has always been a target for the 645 and now
the 645D.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 3:06 AM, AlunFoto  wrote:
> He mentions something about the number of pixels involved for doing
> huge posters and wags his tail over not having to interpolate the
> photo to get there.
>
> I share your sentiment on the publicity thing though. My guess is that
> his intended audience is either snowboarders and/or customers looking
> for ski sport photos, or maybe a community of photographers working in
> winter sports photography. Must be a pretty narrow niche whatever way
> you look at it...
>
> Jostein
>
> 2011/4/16 Rob Studdert :
>> On 16 April 2011 16:36, AlunFoto  wrote:
>>> I'll do the camera, so you do the snowboarding, Bob. :-)
>>>
>>> Some awesome light setup they got there. Wonder how many sherpas he
>>> actually employ...
>>
>> Honestly I can't see how the 645 would have been of significant
>> advantage for the reasons that he suggests in that clip. I don't know
>> if it's good or bad publicity, depends who you are trying to convince
>> I guess.
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Re: Photographer wanted ad

2011-04-16 Thread John Sessoms

From: Rob Studdert


On 16 April 2011 13:57, Bran Everseeking  wrote:

> 
http://saskatoon.kijiji.ca/c-jobs-tv-media-fashion-Nightlife-Photographer-W0QQAdIdZ274599871
>
> I had to share this "Verb" is a weekly free publication here In
> Saskatoon but even so my reply would be "You're kidding right?"

Indeed, it sounds like heck of a lot of work/constraints for very
little cash, probably very low $/h when all time was accounted for. Of
course there's likely more than one sucker that will gladly comply.



Doesn't seem like a lot of work. Once a week, you have to go around to 
various honky-tonks, wear an orange T-shirt and take 15 "in focus" 
pictures of people getting drunk.


For which Verb pays $200/month.

If you're going out honky-tonkin' anyway, it's a little extra drinking 
money.


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