Re: Galia and Boris 2012 Top 12 galleries

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Galia:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8360603208/in/set-72157632464751787/lightbox/
 
 Boris:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8359509329/in/set-72157632464678971/lightbox/
 
 Cheers!

There are some very fine photos in there.  Looking at the two sets, I'd say 
that Galia had a better photography teacher than you did. :-)

Seriously though, she is turning into a very fine photographer, without making 
any exceptions for her age.


 
 P.S. It turns out that Ricoh has taken the 8:4 lead this year...
 P.P.S. Number of photos above were posted as PESOs throughout the year...
 
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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 White balance lens cap...
 
 http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/default.aspx?searchinfo=vivicap

I've got something like that, but I find reflective white balance cards work a 
lot better for me.

 

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Re: PESO - Downtown Juneau Alasksa !

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang

That is a drink of cool water. It was a +40C scorcher today.

Makes me want to put on Twin Peaks.


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Image taken from a downtown city street in Juneau with a 120mm lens - 
ah the great outdoors!

K20D, 70-210mm F, 400 ISO

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16756414

Comments appreciated.

Kenneth Waller
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Re: OT: CS2 now a freebie!

2013-01-08 Thread John Francis

Adobe claim that only people with a pre-existing CS2 license are legally
entitled to download  install this software.

While that may be their intent, there's some doubt as to whether they
would be able to enforce this - apparently the license that comes with
these downloads only states that you must have obtained the software
from Adobe.  In any case, that's pretty much academic - the software can
be installed, and apparently runs just fine (though not on recent Macs,
and there is some question as to whether it works on 64-bit Windows 7).


On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:41:19PM -0400, Steve Sharpe wrote:
 http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/01/grab-photoshop-and-cs2-for-absolutely-free-right-now/
 
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Re: PESO - Supermacro hoarfrost

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


I love the toned look, with just a hint of rainbow. Very mysterious


On 3/01/2013 12:25 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
Larry and John's supermacro setups inspired me to get my ass off the 
chair and do something about the hoarfrost on the car outside today. 
Thanks guys! :-)


Here's one of the results:
http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/supermacro/20130102-0163-blogspot.jpg

Here's the setup:
http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/supermacro/20130102-0001-2-blogspot.jpg

In case you wondered g, it's the 645D. It is attached to a set of 
three extension tubes, a FA*300mm f/4 and a reversed FA 75mm f/2.8. 
The optics alone provide 4X, but cause some vignetting. The extension 
removes that, and add another X or so.


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Re: Stupid operator error.

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:06 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 
 I finally took a look at the shots on a computer and made a very important 
 discovery Shake Reduction® doesn't do anything for you IF YOU FORGET TO TURN 
 IT ON!

I had about an hour to kill before class at the dojo tonight, and since it was 
getting close to sunset, wandered out to the beach for a bit of cliche work.  
Going over the photos I noticed that I seem to have turned off the automatic 
horizon correction.  So P.J., I feel your pain.

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Re: I've been selected for a juried art show, VAM35

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang

Congrats. I think I remember the Trio shot. Cold, right?

I hope the show will be well documented.



On 5/01/2013 10:23 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

The new year was only a couple of days old when I got some great news:
I've had an image selected for the Visual Arts Mississauga 35th Annual
Juried Show of Fine Arts. The opening is January 17th, 6pm-8pm, Art
Gallery of Mississauga, in the City Hall. For anyone in the area who
can make it out, I would love to see you there.

Apparently there were an unprecedented 248 submissions from which 48
were selected for the show which will run until March 2.

Some of you have seen the winning shot, Trio, as I posted it here as
a PESO briefly in November. I had to quickly take it offline when I
decided to submit it to the show as their rules include not
previously published and I'm unsure how anal they are about it. (If
you're interested to see it write me and I'll send you a link.)

https://www.visualartsmississauga.com/news.php

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Re: PESO: one for the road...

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


Beautiful. Especially, how you've balanced the different colour 
temperatures.



On 5/01/2013 9:13 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

Last night of a two-week holiday in Dunkirk, France. *sniff*

Trawler Cap Nord from Boulogne has arrived yesterday for a paint job.
The photo shows it in the last active one of originally four dry docks
built in the late 19th century.

Yet another shot through a fence. At least, I was able to use it as a
support.

K-5, SMC-M 4.5/20 mm, f8, 1/3 sec. ISO 1600. No HDR!

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/29911981

Enjoy.

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Re: PAW Week 1-New Year! New Roads

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


Didn't look like our New Year roads, thats for sure.

Gorgeous grain. Hope you keep to your B+W goal.


On 7/01/2013 11:57 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Well, I'm going to give it a go.  I did 7 weeks of 2012, but  never finished 
the year like I did in 2011.  In 2012,  I wanted to do all black and white, so 
I decided to try for that in 2013.

http://www.caguila.com/paw2013/content/_IGP5362_large.html

Happy New Year!

Cheers, Christine/Chicago



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Re: Adventures in HTML5 video (work in progress)

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


This is one of the best advice posts on PDML I've had. So true. I was 
concentrating on the delivery vehicle, and missed working on the 
payload. Going with the gut is how it should be.


Not perfect yet, and I won't pollute the list with future iterations, 
but here is my current cut


http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/13/01/intimate_show/index.html

Cheers, Cotty
D




On 5/01/2013 9:59 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 4/1/13, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:


Retinstated files up now. Durrr, I realised VLC does OGG encoding - all
this time I thought it was just a player

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/13/01/intimate_show/index.html

If I may.

Rather than selecting a constant value in seconds between each mix
(picture mix - dissolve if you like) why not select the transition point
by feel. This is very hard to do because sometimes one gets so close to
it one loses the plot. the trick is to go with gut reaction then leave
it and look later. My gut reaction is that the individual stills are far
too short. Four seconds is simply not enough time to see the still. If
this means only including the strongest pictures to maintain overall
length, that can be a good thing.

Actual transition length should also come from the heart. And it is
quite possible that some images will mix through in shorter duration,
some even longer - depends on the images. When I use a mix, I look to
where my eye goes first as it leaves the outgoing shot.

As for estimating length of a shot and how long the transition takes to
the next - I do it by feel. That is, I will watch a shot in real time
(obviously my shots are usually moving and not still, but not always so)
and then as I feel the transition point approaching, where I would like
the mix to happen, I close my eyes slightly, almost like squinting (as
if that is the transition happening) for the duration of the transition
- eg say a 3 second mix. With my finger hovering over the stop button I
pause it. (most editing software is known as 'JKL' because the K key is
stop, the 'J' key is backwards at X1 [eg real time] and the 'L' key is
forwards at X1 speed [real time] and the more you press J and L the
faster you go in each direction. So I can alternate between J K and L to
go forward, stop, then if I'm not certain I go backwards a bit, stop,
then forwards again to have another 'imaginary transition'. This is just
as you would do it on a film editing Steenbeck machine.

Once the transition is visualised in the mind, it's just a case of
finding the middle of it. I do this in real time, eyes dimmed, and smack
the K key (although I always go back 2 frames as I've discovered over
the years that from the moment your brain tells your finger to stop the
player and actually hits the button to do it, it always seems to be 2
frames further on than thought. So in filming terms the hand is 2 frames
late ;-)

This system works for cuts also - in fact cuts especially. And to music.

As an editor I always say to people that there is no rule it - the true
test is that if it looks right then it is right. And always go for your
gut reaction to anything. You will put two shots next to each other and
watch them in juxtaposition, feel it's not quite right but leave it
anyway for now, arse about moving the in points and out points about,
then screw about with this and that, think it will do fine. Then much
later when you look through again and it will be startlingly obvious
that it doesn't work at all and you end up redoing the lot! Go with your
heart ;-)

BTW the audio, in this case the music, is much better - and as you have
discovered is crucial to the look and feel. I think it works well. Just
need a little longer on the pics :)

HTH






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Re: PESO - Winter Morning

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


So cinematic. Were you first out there? No other signs of life



On 3/01/2013 12:18 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Down by the Lake the morning before the New Year. It was cold, grey and 
definitely feeling like winter:

  http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/12/winter-morning.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Thanks in advance!

cheers,
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Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang

Me too. Did you see the split image focusing feature in the X100s?

http://www.petapixel.com/2013/01/07/a-hands-on-demo-of-fujifilms-new-split-image-manual-focusing-feature/#more-98771

That and the zippy AF has me in shut up and take my money mode already

The MX-1 looks lovely. Pricey for a small sensor cam, but I'm sure the 
price will become attractive soon, and I see myself rubbing the brass 
monkey to get that patina obsessively





On 8/01/2013 9:31 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

In actual fact, I'm really liking what Fuji are doing in their lineup at
the moment. They might not be doing it to the best of their ability just
yet, but that will come in time.

Sure it's not a Leica (and nor is it meant to be, nor to aspire to be)
but the X100 has benchmarked a fundamental concelt in terms of marrying
optical viewfinders with electronic ones. That can only develop and progress.

I have an X10 and it is superb - love it to bits. The only thing
everyone says is 'yeah great but there's no info in the viewfinder'. You
know what? That's one of the reasons I like it. When I look through the
finder I get a 4X3 viewing area (admittedly only 85% of full but still
very usable) without any distractions. The AF works as I want, I would
say about 90% of the time.

But guess what, Fuji are bringing out a new model this week called the
X20 and among the improvements (if you can call it that) is the addition
of (ta-d) info in the optical viewfinder.

My point is, the cameras look and feel like good quality photographic
tools, and they look and feel as if they have been designed by
photographers. They have *heart*.

Yes, that's my perception - but I stand by it.

I said the same thing about Pentax cameras when I chose way back in 1980
to buy a camera. I didn't buy a Canon or a Nikon or an Olympus (although
it was very close with the Oly I have to say) but rather a Pentax.
Could only afford the MX but I would have had a pair of LX's faster than
you could say Ni.

I'm having so much fun with the X10 - I can't tell you. Not since I got
my first DSLR (Canon D60) have I smiled so much while shooting.

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Re: PESO: King Herod's View

2013-01-08 Thread Boris Liberman

You should have let me know... :-(

On 12/27/2012 8:02 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

This is the view from King Herod's palace. We had the pleasure of visiting
Caesarea in April 2011 while on a Grand World Voyage.

http://photo.psgv.ca/king-herods-view/


Looking over Boris's galleries reminded me of your visit.

Gerrit





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PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen
I had some free time this afternoon, it looked like it would be a nice sunset, 
and I was a mile or two from Natural Bridges.  When I got there, I found out 
that I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360036091/

If you are in the mood for a huge pile of cliche, here's the whole set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632470459006/

The photographer in several of them was some guy named Scott.  As I told him, 
he made a great compositional balance.  Rather than just a picture of the 
landscape, I felt having him in there helped to tell a story.

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Re: Poll - Have You Done a Photo Book (Or Thinking About It)?

2013-01-08 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 6 January 2013 19:59,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Looking it seems doing a blurb book is cheaper  than it once was.

 So just curious, because I've been thinking about it  (Derby got me
 thinking)... and wondering who has done it. Don't think I'd do it  now, but I 
 could
 bear it in mind for my shooting this coming year and then later  compile
 from several years. Or do that several years in a row, think about a  book
 while shooting.

 Have you ever done a photo book of your own photos?


 Are you thinking about it?


 If you have done it, do you  just give it to friends or do you sell it too?


 If you have sold, how  many copies and/or how do you promote it?


 Thanks, Marnie aka  Doe   (Not thinking I'd sell it, myself, just curious.
 BTW, PDML  annual doesn't count, as that's everyone or everyone CAN be
 included.)


Marnie - I've done several, mainly albums for Christmas presents for
family members and specials for friends so don't have experience of
doing them for sale. It was great fun working with Christine on her
PDML and the North project. Initially I was quite happy using the
Blurb Booksmart software, but now there's a whole lot more flexibility
with LR4.

I've also used MyPublisher through Costco. Cheap and cheerful, but the
print quality is variable from good to just about acceptable in my
experience.

Good luck and have fun!

Chris

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Re: I've been selected for a juried art show, VAM35

2013-01-08 Thread Bruce Walker
Yup. It's your basic bleak trees and dense fog shot.

Thanks, Derby.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Congrats. I think I remember the Trio shot. Cold, right?

 I hope the show will be well documented.




 On 5/01/2013 10:23 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 The new year was only a couple of days old when I got some great news:
 I've had an image selected for the Visual Arts Mississauga 35th Annual
 Juried Show of Fine Arts. The opening is January 17th, 6pm-8pm, Art
 Gallery of Mississauga, in the City Hall. For anyone in the area who
 can make it out, I would love to see you there.

 Apparently there were an unprecedented 248 submissions from which 48
 were selected for the show which will run until March 2.

 Some of you have seen the winning shot, Trio, as I posted it here as
 a PESO briefly in November. I had to quickly take it offline when I
 decided to submit it to the show as their rules include not
 previously published and I'm unsure how anal they are about it. (If
 you're interested to see it write me and I'll send you a link.)

 https://www.visualartsmississauga.com/news.php

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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


How about

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/716958-REG/WhiBal_WB7_KC_G7_Key_Chain_White.html



On 8/01/2013 5:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger than a business 
card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in 
weird lighting than in standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently 
realized that it would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches and 
fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I take a photo of it next 
to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance reference, I'd also have something to give a good 
size reference.
The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
markings along the edge.

Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.

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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 2:59 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

 
 How about
 
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/716958-REG/WhiBal_WB7_KC_G7_Key_Chain_White.html

That looks good, though I'd probably want the slightly larger one:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/768395-REG/WhiBal_WB7_PC_G7_White_Balance_Pocket.html

Unfortunately, it only has the distance scale on the short end.

 
 
 
 On 8/01/2013 5:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger 
 than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance 
 reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting than in 
 standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently realized that it 
 would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches 
 and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I 
 take a photo of it next to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance 
 reference, I'd also have something to give a good size reference.
 The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
 markings along the edge.
 
 Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
 grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.
 
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Re: PESO - Winter Morning

2013-01-08 Thread Rob Studdert
You succeeded most impressively in creating the winter mood Frank,
nice (particularly after the temperatures in Sydney today :(

Cheers,

On 3 January 2013 12:18, knarftheria...@gmail.com
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Down by the Lake the morning before the New Year. It was cold, grey and 
 definitely feeling like winter:

  http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/12/winter-morning.html?m=1

 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Thanks in advance!

 cheers,
 frank

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Re: Orion Starblast vs 500mm mirror

2013-01-08 Thread Jostein Øksne

Hi Luiz,
My experience so far does not cover your alternatives, but I dare a comment 
anyway.


I would suggest you find a manual focus mirror tele lens to try out first 
since it's the cheapest option and since it probably is easier to sell again 
if it proves to be the wrong choice.


I've done a couple of astrophotos with the K-5 and the O-GPS-1, and can 
vouch for its convenience. But then again I'm a noob at astrophoto... :-)


Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: luiz felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br

To: pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:57 PM
Subject: Orion Starblast vs 500mm mirror


ok, I'm twice bitten. for the second time in my lifetime, I'm willing to 
enter astrophoto with more than casual approach. issue, the very same as 
30yrs ago - still have less cash to use than a proper gear requires, 
problem added by the higher prices of BR stores. trying to fill gaps in my 
photo bag and start a more serious star trek, I'm considering both a 500mm 
mirror lens and a Starblast 4.5 by Orion. using the 500mm to shoot stars 
is far easier than using a reflector telescope to catch a sunset, mainly 
due to image orientation - something the Starblast would require an 
accesory to do, probably losing the image quality its simple construction 
offers. theory... I'd not try to handhold either, anyway.


do you PDML'ers have any experience with 500mm mirror teles and astropix? 
would someone by chance have used both some 500mm mirror and a smaller 
telescope, and care to comment?


optics is a small part of the star problem - I'm currently trying to start 
a home-made tracker, suitable I hope for my current lenses and the 500mm. 
so I'm avoiding more expensive glass as not sure of being able to track 
well enough to make the difference. well, even smaller steps count.


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Re: PAW157 - Feather

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


Pristine. It would be really beautiful to look at wall-size


On 7/01/2013 8:04 AM, DagT wrote:

http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
Pentax K-5, D-FA100mm, f/13, 0.8s, ISO100.

Happy New Year!

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Re: OT - Learning how to choose your best work

2013-01-08 Thread Derby Chang


Geez, could there be two more opposite audiences to present yourself to 
and expect feedback.


* I'm hungry, quite possibly thirsty, and a random guy's art is hanging 
over the tops of my fellow diners' heads. I shall make a grand 
proclamation on the worthiness of his art to said fellow diners. Artist 
notes well.


* I am a time-harried photo editor, trying to meet a printing deadline, 
and a random guy cold calls and wants me to give free advice. I will 
gladly give him my time, so he can sell his prints elsewhere.


Moose is a commercial artist, and both avenues probably work for him 
since is he well-known and sells. But he is a 1 percenter.


The quality over quantity message is good, though. I'll give him that.


On 6/01/2013 8:19 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Moose Peterson discusses how to edit; ie: learning how to choose just
your best work.

I like his suggestion of getting work on a restaurant wall and then
observing people's reactions to it. Could be a cringe-worthy exercise!

http://www.moosepeterson.com/blog/2013/01/04/to-share-or-not-to-share/

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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think 207 and 151 are worthy shots, but you need to edit the set yourself. 
Landscapes don't change. Photographing them once again isn't necessarily wrong 
or cliched, particularly when the photographer brings his own vision to bear on 
the scene. Both of these shots are interesting and well done, with 207 being 
the best in my opinion.

On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 I had some free time this afternoon, it looked like it would be a nice 
 sunset, and I was a mile or two from Natural Bridges.  When I got there, I 
 found out that I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360036091/
 
 If you are in the mood for a huge pile of cliche, here's the whole set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632470459006/
 
 The photographer in several of them was some guy named Scott.  As I told him, 
 he made a great compositional balance.  Rather than just a picture of the 
 landscape, I felt having him in there helped to tell a story.
 
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Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread Bipin Gupta
Hello Larry, just take a fine point permanent marker, a millimeter
scale and mark your own scale on the card. To make it look pro, first
mark 3-horizontal guide lines with a pencil. Use the outer lines for
the centimeter mark and the top + center lines for the millimeter
mark.
And presto you have what you need for your macro work.
Regards. Bipin.
camp:Thornhill, Ontario, Canada  not from the far away enchanting land.

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Orion Starblast vs 500mm mirror

2013-01-08 Thread luiz felipe

Darren's words:
Tried the Orion Nebula with the 135/2.5 - too clear skies, lots of 
clouds,

bad results - and purple fringing.


I got to thinking that maybe you are referring to the Bayonet 135/2.5.
If so, the purple fringing is certainly understandable.
I'm talking about the last version of the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar
135mm f2.5, which also then became the original SMC K version (not the
same as the later Bayonet version).

The Bayonet version is a $50-60 lens. The v2 Takumar  SMC K version
are more like $175-225 but bargains can be found.



Darren, I'm talking exactly about the SMC Tak 135/2.5, m42  58mm 
filters. Mine gets purple fringes wide open, not so intense but 
noticeable. It's also rather battered, much used since 1976. Bought a K 
Takumar 135/ 2.5 but still got to test it - someday soon, not in a 
hurry... it's expected to be less than outstanding but useable. I'd 
delay my astro enablements if a VG K135/ 2.5 came my way... really like 
that lens and mine is getting old.


I'm trying to repeat photo and processing, and re-processing the first 
test - did it quickly and didn't enjoy the results.


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RE: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread John Sessoms

From: Larry Colen


I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit
larger than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white
balance reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting
than in standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently
realized that it would be really handy if the edges of the grey card
were marked in inches and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the
other.  That way, when I take a photo of it next to a flower, or a
bug, to get a white balance reference, I'd also have something to
give a good size reference. The ideal would be to have a grid of
inches or cms, with the fractional markings along the edge.

Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18%
neutral grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference
with me.


Ask and you shall receive:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/content_images_2/colorchecker-passport/3-way-open.jpg

The X-rite Color Checker Passport has a scale along one edge  the 
squares are all the same size which provides the grid.


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Orion Starblast vs 500mm mirror

2013-01-08 Thread luiz felipe

Jostein's words:

Hi Luiz,
My experience so far does not cover your alternatives, but I dare a 
comment

anyway.

I would suggest you find a manual focus mirror tele lens to try out 
first
since it's the cheapest option and since it probably is easier to sell 
again

if it proves to be the wrong choice.

I've done a couple of astrophotos with the K-5 and the O-GPS-1, and 
can
vouch for its convenience. But then again I'm a noob at astrophoto... 
:-)


Jostein



Glad you mention it, Jostein... been wondering about wich 500mm tele 
would you use in this scenario. The selling a failure idea is very 
interesting indeed - the fact some lens didn't work for me does not mean 
it won't be useful somewhere else. Come to think of it, the 500 mirror 
is probably easier to arrive safely and cheaper to ship... hmmm... I 
think I saw some 500mm f/6- somewhere.


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Re: Orion Starblast vs 500mm mirror

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/8/2013 9:20 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:03 PM, luiz felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote:

Tried the Orion Nebula with the 135/2.5 - too clear skies, lots of clouds,
bad results - and purple fringing.

I got to thinking that maybe you are referring to the Bayonet 135/2.5.
If so, the purple fringing is certainly understandable.
I'm talking about the last version of the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar
135mm f2.5, which also then became the original SMC K version (not the
same as the later Bayonet version).

The Bayonet version is a $50-60 lens. The v2 Takumar  SMC K version
are more like $175-225 but bargains can be found.



At $175-225 the SMC [K] 135mm lens is a bargain. If it were an A lens it 
would live on a camera as opposed to being used occasionally.


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Re: Adventures in HTML5 video (work in progress)

2013-01-08 Thread Bruce Walker
That's working better for me, Derby, and the presentation is very
good. The pacing is about right I think.

However streaming is still falling behind so it halts on me every 5
images or so. Minor thing: you have the video frame sized for 16:9 but
none of the images are HD aspect ratio so there's always
letter-boxing. You might consider doing a close-up crop every few
images to fill that frame.

It's unfortunate that HD is not a great format for exhibiting
photographs. SLR landscape format images (3:2) don't fill the frame,
and they become very small in portrait orientation.

Idea: pair two complementary portraits side-by-side now and then and
double the pause time before the transition.

Keep up the great work. I'm very interested to see how this all works out.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 This is one of the best advice posts on PDML I've had. So true. I was
 concentrating on the delivery vehicle, and missed working on the payload.
 Going with the gut is how it should be.

 Not perfect yet, and I won't pollute the list with future iterations, but
 here is my current cut

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/13/01/intimate_show/index.html

 Cheers, Cotty
 D





 On 5/01/2013 9:59 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

 On 4/1/13, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Retinstated files up now. Durrr, I realised VLC does OGG encoding - all
 this time I thought it was just a player

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/13/01/intimate_show/index.html

 If I may.

 Rather than selecting a constant value in seconds between each mix
 (picture mix - dissolve if you like) why not select the transition point
 by feel. This is very hard to do because sometimes one gets so close to
 it one loses the plot. the trick is to go with gut reaction then leave
 it and look later. My gut reaction is that the individual stills are far
 too short. Four seconds is simply not enough time to see the still. If
 this means only including the strongest pictures to maintain overall
 length, that can be a good thing.

 Actual transition length should also come from the heart. And it is
 quite possible that some images will mix through in shorter duration,
 some even longer - depends on the images. When I use a mix, I look to
 where my eye goes first as it leaves the outgoing shot.

 As for estimating length of a shot and how long the transition takes to
 the next - I do it by feel. That is, I will watch a shot in real time
 (obviously my shots are usually moving and not still, but not always so)
 and then as I feel the transition point approaching, where I would like
 the mix to happen, I close my eyes slightly, almost like squinting (as
 if that is the transition happening) for the duration of the transition
 - eg say a 3 second mix. With my finger hovering over the stop button I
 pause it. (most editing software is known as 'JKL' because the K key is
 stop, the 'J' key is backwards at X1 [eg real time] and the 'L' key is
 forwards at X1 speed [real time] and the more you press J and L the
 faster you go in each direction. So I can alternate between J K and L to
 go forward, stop, then if I'm not certain I go backwards a bit, stop,
 then forwards again to have another 'imaginary transition'. This is just
 as you would do it on a film editing Steenbeck machine.

 Once the transition is visualised in the mind, it's just a case of
 finding the middle of it. I do this in real time, eyes dimmed, and smack
 the K key (although I always go back 2 frames as I've discovered over
 the years that from the moment your brain tells your finger to stop the
 player and actually hits the button to do it, it always seems to be 2
 frames further on than thought. So in filming terms the hand is 2 frames
 late ;-)

 This system works for cuts also - in fact cuts especially. And to music.

 As an editor I always say to people that there is no rule it - the true
 test is that if it looks right then it is right. And always go for your
 gut reaction to anything. You will put two shots next to each other and
 watch them in juxtaposition, feel it's not quite right but leave it
 anyway for now, arse about moving the in points and out points about,
 then screw about with this and that, think it will do fine. Then much
 later when you look through again and it will be startlingly obvious
 that it doesn't work at all and you end up redoing the lot! Go with your
 heart ;-)

 BTW the audio, in this case the music, is much better - and as you have
 discovered is crucial to the look and feel. I think it works well. Just
 need a little longer on the pics :)

 HTH





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Re: Stupid operator error.

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/8/2013 3:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:06 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:


I finally took a look at the shots on a computer and made a very important 
discovery Shake Reduction® doesn't do anything for you IF YOU FORGET TO TURN IT 
ON!

I had about an hour to kill before class at the dojo tonight, and since it was 
getting close to sunset, wandered out to the beach for a bit of cliche work.  
Going over the photos I noticed that I seem to have turned off the automatic 
horizon correction.  So P.J., I feel your pain.


It's a lot easier to correct crooked horizons than motion blurred 
everything. I feel even dumber because the K20D has the SR switch on the 
back, where it's supposed to be.




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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele

don't apologize for pretty sunset photos :-)

ann

On 1/8/2013 04:49, Larry Colen wrote:

I had some free time this afternoon, it looked like it would be a nice sunset, 
and I was a mile or two from Natural Bridges.  When I got there, I found out 
that I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360036091/

If you are in the mood for a huge pile of cliche, here's the whole set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632470459006/

The photographer in several of them was some guy named Scott.  As I told him, 
he made a great compositional balance.  Rather than just a picture of the 
landscape, I felt having him in there helped to tell a story.

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Re: AF 360 II

2013-01-08 Thread Darren Addy
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:41 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/ces-coming-up-new-af-360-ii-flash.html

 From the sky is falling crowd, seems swivel will be added to the
 updated AF360. That i like, as i like my 360 and did wish it had the
 swivil.

That's one of the reasons that I went with the Metz 58 AF-1 over the
Pentax flashes. The other was a guide no. of 58 instead of 36. I see
that Metz has an AF-2 now with a metal foot, which is also a good
idea.

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Re: Galia and Boris 2012 Top 12 galleries

2013-01-08 Thread Bruce Walker
Most impressive, Boris. What a killer team you two make!


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Galia:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8360603208/in/set-72157632464751787/lightbox/

 Boris:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8359509329/in/set-72157632464678971/lightbox/

 Cheers!

 P.S. It turns out that Ricoh has taken the 8:4 lead this year...
 P.P.S. Number of photos above were posted as PESOs throughout the year...

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PESO: First K-5 Sunset

2013-01-08 Thread Walt
I took the K-5 out at twilight last night and took a few snaps, thinking 
it would be interesting to see how it dealt with the relatively low 
light compared to the K20D at ISO 1600.


I am happy with its performance:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8360846807/

There is a little noise in the deep blue, but I suspect that's got more 
to with the guy behind the camera than anything inside or in front of 
it. The weather is supposed to be fairly nice for the next few days, so 
I'm going to see about taking a little photo walk. I just wish the 
scenery were a little nicer around here, but it sure gets awfully drab 
in winter months.


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Re: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

2013-01-08 Thread Rick Womer
Nice.

If you're shooting RAW, that noise in the deep blue cleans up beautifully in LR.

Rick
 
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:11 AM
Subject: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

I took the K-5 out at twilight last night and took a few snaps, thinking it 
would be interesting to see how it dealt with the relatively low light compared 
to the K20D at ISO 1600.

I am happy with its performance:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8360846807/

There is a little noise in the deep blue, but I suspect that's got more to with 
the guy behind the camera than anything inside or in front of it. The weather 
is supposed to be fairly nice for the next few days, so I'm going to see about 
taking a little photo walk. I just wish the scenery were a little nicer around 
here, but it sure gets awfully drab in winter months.

-- Walt

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Re: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Sharp and with dramatic colors. Would also, make a nice panorama.
 
Jack 

From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

I took the K-5 out at twilight last night and took a few snaps, thinking it 
would be interesting to see how it dealt with the relatively low light compared 
to the K20D at ISO 1600.

I am happy with its performance:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8360846807/

There is a little noise in the deep blue, but I suspect that's got more to with 
the guy behind the camera than anything inside or in front of it. The weather 
is supposed to be fairly nice for the next few days, so I'm going to see about 
taking a little photo walk. I just wish the scenery were a little nicer around 
here, but it sure gets awfully drab in winter months.

-- Walt

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Re: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

2013-01-08 Thread Walt

Thank you, Rick!

I still balk a little at LR -- especially when I just want to do 
quick-and-dirty editing. I'm /very/ slowly learning it, mostly because 
it seems a bit cumbersome on my laptop. That and the fact that I'm still 
a slave to my old workflow (which is an exceedingly generous 
description of how I go about editing photos). One of these days, I'm 
just going to have to take off the training wheels.


-- Walt


On 1/8/2013 10:25 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Nice.

If you're shooting RAW, that noise in the deep blue cleans up beautifully in LR.

Rick
  
http://photo.net/photos/RickW



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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:11 AM
Subject: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

I took the K-5 out at twilight last night and took a few snaps, thinking it 
would be interesting to see how it dealt with the relatively low light compared 
to the K20D at ISO 1600.

I am happy with its performance:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8360846807/

There is a little noise in the deep blue, but I suspect that's got more to with 
the guy behind the camera than anything inside or in front of it. The weather 
is supposed to be fairly nice for the next few days, so I'm going to see about 
taking a little photo walk. I just wish the scenery were a little nicer around 
here, but it sure gets awfully drab in winter months.

-- Walt

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Re: PESO - Downtown Juneau Alasksa !

2013-01-08 Thread Don Guthrie
It seems like Alaska is a travel photographer's dream location. Fine 
example and I am jealous for so many reasons.



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Subject: PESO - Downtown Juneau Alasksa !
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Image taken from a downtown city street in Juneau with a 120mm lens - ah the
great outdoors!
K20D, 70-210mm F, 400 ISO

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16756414

Comments appreciated.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller



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Re: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

2013-01-08 Thread Walt

Thank you, Jack!

Shooting that particular spot is a bit of a compositional challenge. I'm 
limited by an electric fence directly in front of me and some 
unappealing structures on either side -- a big pole barn and a couple of 
mobile homes to the right, and a free-standing carport and other clutter 
to the left.  One of these days, I'm going to spend an entire afternoon 
scouting good, unobstructed sunset locations. And then wait for a decent 
sunset.


Thanks again!

-- Walt


On 1/8/2013 10:27 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Sharp and with dramatic colors. Would also, make a nice panorama.
  
Jack


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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: PESO: First K-5 Sunset

I took the K-5 out at twilight last night and took a few snaps, thinking it 
would be interesting to see how it dealt with the relatively low light compared 
to the K20D at ISO 1600.

I am happy with its performance:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8360846807/

There is a little noise in the deep blue, but I suspect that's got more to with 
the guy behind the camera than anything inside or in front of it. The weather 
is supposed to be fairly nice for the next few days, so I'm going to see about 
taking a little photo walk. I just wish the scenery were a little nicer around 
here, but it sure gets awfully drab in winter months.

-- Walt

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Re:Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Don Guthrie
Cotty  You confused a bit here. You said you would be interested in 
option c mirrorless APC with optical finder then in later msg. you 
indicate you have finder-less Fuji you love.??


I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all. Every review I 
have read echos my experience. At the current low price for K-01 they 
are selling as fast as they are stocked. That indicates to me it was 
slightly over-designed and somewhat overpriced. But lack of a finder did 
not keep it from being a success.  I am not anti-finder having come from 
dlsr tradition from the start and only owned one point and shoot but I 
don't get the obsession with finders.



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:54:28 +
From: Steve Cottrellco...@seeingeye.tv
To: pentax listPDML@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New PENTAX MX-1
Message-ID:20130107215428.1356334...@newsmtp.blacknight.co.uk
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 7/1/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


I think that Pentax (for whatever definition of Pentax over the past
decade you want to use) understands that they will not survive as a me
too product.  If Pentax were simply to produce another Canon Rebel,
nobody would have any reason to buy it, rather than a Canon Rebel.  What
they seem to be doing is a spastic attempt at emulating Steve Jobs, or
at least Apple, in releasing different and innovative products in the
hopes that one of them will catch on.  If they release ten products, it
doesn't matter if nine of them are Lisas, if one of them is an iPod.

I think you've hit the nail on the head Lar.

To my mind there just isn't a coherent strategy with Pentax's products,
aside perhaps from the flagship DSLRs.

And to take a leaf out of Steve's book, get rid of all the mishmash and
consolidate the cameras into types, then have one camera to fit each
type. Keep it simple!

The MX-1 would be brilliant if it was in this lineup:

A - Full frame DSLR + lens system
B - APSC DSLR + lens system
C - Mirrorless APSC interchangeable lens system (Q with optical
viewfinder) (MX-1 style, bigger)
D - MX-1
E - smaller pocketable point n shoot

and er that's it

I'd be looking at C

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Re: AF 360 II

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I've been expecting the announcement of a 24mp DSLR (either aps-c or 
even better FF), before or at CES, so the sky may be falling.


Neither the AF360 II nor the MX-1, (which looks suspiciously like an 
Olympus ZX-2), seem to be actual Pentax RD. They're just repackaging of 
commodity products probably manufactured to Pentax specifications by 
third parties. I wouldn't be surprised if the MX-1 and ZX-2 were rolling 
off the same assembly line with the the only difference being different 
cosmetic top plates and lenses and slightly modified body shells.



On 1/8/2013 9:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/ces-coming-up-new-af-360-ii-flash.html

From the sky is falling crowd, seems swivel will be added to the
updated AF360. That i like, as i like my 360 and did wish it had the
swivil.

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Re:Galia and Boris 2012 Top 12 galleries

2013-01-08 Thread Don Guthrie
Ah two talented photographers in the family but I will give a slight 
edge to your selections.



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Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:07:17 +0200
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Subject: Galia and Boris 2012 Top 12 galleries
Message-ID:50eba985.3060...@gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Galia:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8360603208/in/set-72157632464751787/lightbox/

Boris:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8359509329/in/set-72157632464678971/lightbox/

Cheers!

P.S. It turns out that Ricoh has taken the 8:4 lead this year...
P.P.S. Number of photos above were posted as PESOs throughout the year...



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OT Fuji invents electronic rangefinder display

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling

For those who really wanted a leica anyway...

http://www.petapixel.com/2013/01/07/a-hands-on-demo-of-fujifilms-new-split-image-manual-focusing-feature/#more-98771


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Re: Galia and Boris 2012 Top 12 galleries

2013-01-08 Thread Walt

Both are seriously impressive, Boris.

As Larry said, Galia's talent stands on its own.

-- Walt

On 1/7/2013 11:07 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Galia:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8360603208/in/set-72157632464751787/lightbox/ 



Boris:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/8359509329/in/set-72157632464678971/lightbox/ 



Cheers!

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PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. Actually had 
forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple shots in.
The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught a bit 
of the bright sky.
Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
Shot 1/7/13
 
C  C welcome
 
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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Walt
That is one great capture, Jack! The kind of thing that no hawk will 
*ever* do for me.


-- Walt


On 1/8/2013 11:41 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. Actually had 
forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple shots in.
The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught a bit 
of the bright sky.
Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
Shot 1/7/13
  
C  C welcome
  
Jack
  
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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Well they've been frustrating me for such a long time, they owed me a lucky 
pose. ;-)
Thanks, Walt.

Jack
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From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com
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Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail

That is one great capture, Jack! The kind of thing that no hawk will *ever* do 
for me.

-- Walt


On 1/8/2013 11:41 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. Actually 
 had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple shots in.
 The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught a 
 bit of the bright sky.
 Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
 Shot 1/7/13
  C  C welcome
  Jack
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K5 discontinued at BH Photo for the third time.

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I wonder if they will begetting more in so they can discontinue it yet 
again.


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Re: K5 discontinued at BH Photo for the third time.

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
I see the K-5 is listed for $744 at Adorama.
I much prefer BH, but I'd gladly help anyone enjoy a K-5.

Jack   

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Subject: K5 discontinued at BH Photo for the third time.

I wonder if they will begetting more in so they can discontinue it yet again.

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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Bruce Walker
That's a hell of a pose, Jack. Great capture!

Shame about the softness from noise. I'd try bumping up the contrast,
let the shadow tones darken up, and increase the Clarity some
(assuming Lr). Or use the high-pass filter  Overlay layer trick to
sharpen it up some.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. Actually 
 had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple shots in.
 The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught a 
 bit of the bright sky.
 Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
 Shot 1/7/13

 C  C welcome

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Re: Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all.

Have you tried attaching something long and heavy like a DA* 50-135 to
a K-01 and hand-holding it?


 I don't get the obsession with finders.

You likely will when you need reading glasses to see close up. I
cannot work a camera without a finder in any practical way. I have no
plans to get contacts or laser surgery.

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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Eactivist
Bravo! Of course, it could be less noisy but  that is great capture with 
feet and claws extended. Good timing.

Marnie  aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 1/8/2013 9:41:42 A.M. Pacific Standard  Time, 
jdavi...@yahoo.com writes:
Posting this due to the hawk's completely  accidental dynamic pose. 
Actually had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so  only got a couple shots 
in.
The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot  metering having caught a 
bit of the bright sky.
Not displeased, however, at  what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
Shot 1/7/13

C  C  welcome

Jack

K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800,  f/8

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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Bruce!
That noise is the result of attempting to salvage a barely decent image from 
a seriously murky, under exposure.
I did offer it to PPG, but have no further plans for it. Did apply clarity 
and contrast. 
 
Jack

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From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail

That's a hell of a pose, Jack. Great capture!

Shame about the softness from noise. I'd try bumping up the contrast,
let the shadow tones darken up, and increase the Clarity some
(assuming Lr). Or use the high-pass filter  Overlay layer trick to
sharpen it up some.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. Actually 
 had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple shots in.
 The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught a 
 bit of the bright sky.
 Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
 Shot 1/7/13

 C  C welcome

 Jack

 K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800, f/8

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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciate it, Marnie! It was close, huh?

Jack
 
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Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail

Bravo! Of course, it could be less noisy but  that is great capture with 
feet and claws extended. Good timing.

Marnie  aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 1/8/2013 9:41:42 A.M. Pacific Standard  Time, 
jdavi...@yahoo.com writes:
Posting this due to the hawk's completely  accidental dynamic pose. 
Actually had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so  only got a couple shots 
in.
The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot  metering having caught a 
bit of the bright sky.
Not displeased, however, at  what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
Shot 1/7/13

C  C  welcome

Jack

K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800,  f/8

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Re: K5 discontinued at BH Photo for the third time.

2013-01-08 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:30 , Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I see the K-5 is listed for $744 at Adorama.
 I much prefer BH, but I'd gladly help anyone enjoy a K-5.
 

Aaargh!

I've got a green-light to purchase a K5 after we do our taxes (and regardless 
of the outcome).  

No W2s in the mailbox yet, though.  It's gonna be a close one.

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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Kenneth Waller
I see Scott also bought the wrong tripod - too short!


-Original Message-
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Subject: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

I had some free time this afternoon, it looked like it would be a nice sunset, 
and I was a mile or two from Natural Bridges.  When I got there, I found out 
that I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360036091/

If you are in the mood for a huge pile of cliche, here's the whole set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632470459006/

The photographer in several of them was some guy named Scott.  As I told him, 
he made a great compositional balance.  Rather than just a picture of the 
landscape, I felt having him in there helped to tell a story.

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Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 8/1/13, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.petapixel.com/2013/01/07/a-hands-on-demo-of-fujifilms-new-
split-image-manual-focusing-feature/#more-98771

That and the zippy AF has me in shut up and take my money mode already

I am literally gagging for it now.

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OT: 30 floor hotel in 15 days

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

Ann was recently talking about how quickly a building went up.  I was just sent 
a link to this video of a construction project in China:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/GVUsIlwWWM8?rel=0

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Re: K5 discontinued at BH Photo for the third time.

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't sweat it too much, BH was first reported to have listed the K-5 
as discontinued sometime in October. Less than 24 hours later they had 
more in stock and it was recontinued. I expect that they will be made an 
offer they can't refuse by Pentax on a shipment of K-5 cameras so it 
will be recontinued at least once more before it disappears from 
Pentaximmaging.com http://www.pentaximaging.com/dslr/K-5_Black 
(navigate to choose you camera-Advanced to see it with it's brothers). 
I say this because Pentax is probably discounting the K-5 much more 
heavily than the retailers are currently reflecting in their prices. 
It's a bargain at $750 for the image quality it delivers.



On 1/8/2013 2:39 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:30 , Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:


I see the K-5 is listed for $744 at Adorama.
I much prefer BH, but I'd gladly help anyone enjoy a K-5.


Aaargh!

I've got a green-light to purchase a K5 after we do our taxes (and regardless 
of the outcome).

No W2s in the mailbox yet, though.  It's gonna be a close one.

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Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 8/1/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty  You confused a bit here. You said you would be interested in 
option c mirrorless APC with optical finder then in later msg. you 
indicate you have finder-less Fuji you love.??

The Fuji I love does have an optical viewfinder. I use the OVF a lot,
but not exclusively. Sometimes I use the rear LCD, when the situation
suits. If I have a preference it is for the OVF.

I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all. Every review I 
have read echos my experience. At the current low price for K-01 they 
are selling as fast as they are stocked. That indicates to me it was 
slightly over-designed and somewhat overpriced. But lack of a finder did 
not keep it from being a success.  I am not anti-finder having come from 
dlsr tradition from the start and only owned one point and shoot but I 
don't get the obsession with finders.

I have tried quite a few cameras, some with no OVF. I wouldn't buy one.
As a family, we own two. I don't use them.

I don't have an obsession with finders, I have a preference. As you, I
have owned and used many different film and digital stills cameras over
the years, the vast majority with optical viewfinders. I also use a
video camera most days, with a very high res electronic viewfinder
(actually a small cathode ray tube, mono) so am very used to looking
down one. This perhaps explains my preference for them? That said, there
are some shots where it is much easier to flip out the LCD from the side
and use that, if the situation arises., like filming football (soccer).
It is impractical to film this using the finder, as peripheral vision
here is crucial in seeing and anticipating where the ball is going next.

I think on of the main reasons I prefer a finder is to concentrate what
is in the frame, and exclude all else from the equation. With a
rangefinder camera, you get a bit more around the frame, which I find
neither here nor there. To me, it's what is happening in the frame, or
about to happen in the frame that demands my concentration. Maybe I'm
not very good at blocking out all the other things going on around me
while I'm taking pics!

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Re: OT Fuji invents electronic rangefinder display

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling

Damn, Derby posted this ahead of me.  f

On 1/8/2013 12:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

For those who really wanted a leica anyway...

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Re: and here´s my 12in12

2013-01-08 Thread Boris Liberman
You appear to have extreme affinity to minimalism, Dag. Among all the 
minimalistic photos I've seen here and elsewhere, yours are probably the 
best...


On 1/2/2013 9:39 PM, DagT wrote:

Sorry, but I think you have seen most of them before (and probably don´t agree 
with the selection :-)

http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/12in12/12in12.html

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No viewfinder but here's a CES announcement we can all get behind

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling

far, far behind

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34441_1-57562583/huge-mechanical-snake-brings-burning-man-vibe-to-ces/

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Re: Dan's 12 in 2012

2013-01-08 Thread Boris Liberman

Dan, my favorites are:

1. Snail and Trail. It can be rendered in even more fascinating manner, IMO.

2. Whale Tail. Well, obviously.

3. Pick-off. I couldn't possibly comprehend the baseball meaning of the 
word or photograph, but the split second you caught with your photograph 
is superb.


4. Dino Attack. For its sheer humor...

On 1/3/2013 6:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Better late than never.
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Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 8/1/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed:

I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all. Every review I 
have read echos my experience.

Just thinking further on this for a moment.

If optical viewfinders had never existed, we wouldn't miss them. Then
along came a camera with one built in, and you pick it up and tell us
that your new camera with no rear LCD is kinda cool, and you don't miss
it at all.

My point is, if the designers and manufacturers made only cameras with
no OVFs, then eventually people would accept it as the norm.

To a point, this has been happening - especially with the advent of
mobile (cell) phones becoming important cameras for most people. No room
for an OVF on a cell phone, no worries, they'll use the LCD screen.
Camera makers think hey! Make more cameras with no OVF - they don't need
them, they're happy using LCDs - look at them all using their phones
like that!

So more and more point n shoots with just LCDs, until they are virtually
ALL without OVFs.

Except one or two have decided 'actually no - the OVF is not actually
dead yet - there is still a desire out there for them'. And not just a
small hole with a couple of bits of plastic shoved in either end, but
actually usable optical finders that can display image and data info.

You want my take? In a year's time we'll see quite a few more
pointnshoots (and indeed slightly higher up the pecking order cameras)
coming out with an OVF. I would put money that the next gen of MX-1
camera will have one. Fuji are blazing quite a little trail here.



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Re: Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Don Guthrie
Not to be argumentative certainly not on this group anyway but ...yes. 
My favorite lens so far has been the 85mm f1.8 which is no lightweight. 
Also the 18-135 and 50-200. I had the 5lb Vivitar 100-400 zoom  on it 
(but only on tripod which is where lenses over 200mm belong) For macro 
work the rear viewer is a gift.


I posted the 85mm on here - cemetery photos. Others when I have time.

As for my eyesight I've worn trifocals for 30 years which is another 
reason I often prefer K-01 no pushing on the eyeglasses. Also it lets me 
take pix at odd angles and waist level (thumb on the shutter).


Having said that for fast action wildlife etc where my head needs to 
move yep give me my K-5 for sure. But at Christmas with the family this 
year I got a lot of great photos of the family and I didn't scare the 
women  children by looking like a cyborg with a camera for a right eye. 
The other day I was shooting some landscapes when 4 deer walked buy  I 
was very glad I had the k-5 on my other shoulder for them.


 And for walking around I certainly attract a lot less attention with 
K-01 and any prime lens. I would never sacrifice quality  just to use 
the K-01. I know it looks silly but it is a heck of a camera with many 
uses. One trick I like is that it is flat and four edges -so on the 
table instant tripod for many candid shots.


I don't think I need the MX-1 but I would not disqualify it for lack of VF.

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Message: 9 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:02:46 -0500 From: Bruce Walker
bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Re: New PENTAX MX-1 Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM,
Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:


I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all.

Have you tried attaching something long and heavy like a DA* 50-135 to
a K-01 and hand-holding it?



I don't get the obsession with finders.

You likely will when you need reading glasses to see close up. I
cannot work a camera without a finder in any practical way. I have no
plans to get contacts or laser surgery.

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Re: No viewfinder but here's a CES announcement we can all get behind

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 8/1/13, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

far, far behind


http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34441_1-57562583/huge-mechanical-snake-brings-
burning-man-vibe-to-ces/

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Re: OT Fuji invents electronic rangefinder display

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 8/1/13, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

For those who really wanted a leica anyway...


http://www.petapixel.com/2013/01/07/a-hands-on-demo-of-fujifilms-new-
split-image-manual-focusing-feature/#more-98771


PJ I can tell you that I actively do not want a Leica!

I'm saving for the new X100s - it's not ideal, but with the improvements
I'm hoping it will be just the trick.

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RE: and here´s my 12in12

2013-01-08 Thread Bob W
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman
 
 You appear to have extreme affinity to minimalism, Dag. Among all the
 minimalistic photos I've seen here and elsewhere, yours are probably
 the best...
 

He's the minimalist with the mostest.

B

 On 1/2/2013 9:39 PM, DagT wrote:
  Sorry, but I think you have seen most of them before (and probably
  don´t agree with the selection :-)
 
  http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/12in12/12in12.html
 
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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread kwaller

Ditto what Bruce said.

What lens ?

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Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail



That's a hell of a pose, Jack. Great capture!

Shame about the softness from noise. I'd try bumping up the contrast,
let the shadow tones darken up, and increase the Clarity some
(assuming Lr). Or use the high-pass filter  Overlay layer trick to
sharpen it up some.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. 
Actually had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple 
shots in.
The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught 
a bit of the bright sky.

Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
Shot 1/7/13

C  C welcome

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Re: Stupid operator error.

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:26 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 On 1/8/2013 3:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:06 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 
 I finally took a look at the shots on a computer and made a very important 
 discovery Shake Reduction® doesn't do anything for you IF YOU FORGET TO 
 TURN IT ON!
 I had about an hour to kill before class at the dojo tonight, and since it 
 was getting close to sunset, wandered out to the beach for a bit of cliche 
 work.  Going over the photos I noticed that I seem to have turned off the 
 automatic horizon correction.  So P.J., I feel your pain.
 
 It's a lot easier to correct crooked horizons than motion blurred everything. 
 I feel even dumber because the K20D has the SR switch on the back, where it's 
 supposed to be.

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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 don't apologize for pretty sunset photos :-)

Thanks Ann.


 
 ann
 
 On 1/8/2013 04:49, Larry Colen wrote:
 I had some free time this afternoon, it looked like it would be a nice 
 sunset, and I was a mile or two from Natural Bridges.  When I got there, I 
 found out that I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360036091/
 
 If you are in the mood for a huge pile of cliche, here's the whole set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632470459006/
 
 The photographer in several of them was some guy named Scott.  As I told 
 him, he made a great compositional balance.  Rather than just a picture of 
 the landscape, I felt having him in there helped to tell a story.
 
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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 I see Scott also bought the wrong tripod - too short!

At least he brought one.  The reason he kept picking it up was because a wave 
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Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 8/1/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed:

I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all. Every review I 
have read echos my experience.

Just thinking further on this for a moment.

If optical viewfinders had never existed, we wouldn't miss them. Then
along came a camera with one built in, and you pick it up and tell us
that your new camera with no rear LCD is kinda cool, and you don't miss
it at all.

My point is, if the designers and manufacturers made only cameras with
no OVFs, then eventually people would accept it as the norm.

It already is considered the norm my millions of people. Despite what
Don says, I read one review of the Pentax K-01 that put the lack of an
optical viewfinder as one of the big *positives* about the camera.
Amazing to me but that's the younger generation for you: they find an
optical viewfinder to be a colossal waste of space  money.

I got to play around with a K-01 at GFM last year. I loved everything
about it except the lack of viewfinder. Even at the blow-out prices
we've seen recently I couldn't convince myself to buy one because of
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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:36 AM, luiz felipe wrote:

 Larry, I like that set. one particular thing I'd try would be some 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360035843/in/set-72157632470459006/ 
 with long exposure - assuming the wind would allow it, never been there... 
 yet. Sure it's been done a lot, but I'd try it myself, (over) exposure on the 
 limit.

My friend Candice also asked about long exposure shots.Funny thing is that 
they don't do lots for me.

 
 How's that place at night?

It can be a lot of fun at night. The park closes at sunset, and I used to go 
down there at night fairly often about twenty years ago with a girlfriend. We 
didn't bring a camera though.

 I remember some photos you posted from a beach at night but can't place them 
 - there's a lot of coastline near you.
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RE: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Bob W
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
[...]
 Amazing to me but that's the younger generation for you: they find an
 optical viewfinder to be a colossal waste of space  money.
 

wait until they get into their 40s and can't focus on the damn thing without
reading glasses.

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Re: Stupid operator error.

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/8/2013 3:49 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:26 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:


On 1/8/2013 3:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:06 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:


I finally took a look at the shots on a computer and made a very important 
discovery Shake Reduction® doesn't do anything for you IF YOU FORGET TO TURN IT 
ON!

I had about an hour to kill before class at the dojo tonight, and since it was 
getting close to sunset, wandered out to the beach for a bit of cliche work.  
Going over the photos I noticed that I seem to have turned off the automatic 
horizon correction.  So P.J., I feel your pain.

It's a lot easier to correct crooked horizons than motion blurred everything. I 
feel even dumber because the K20D has the SR switch on the back, where it's 
supposed to be.

OK, you win.  You're stupider than me.



Oh, goody! I win... ah...


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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
DA 55~300...what else? ;-)

Jack
 
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Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail

Ditto what Bruce said.

What lens ?

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- Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail


 That's a hell of a pose, Jack. Great capture!
 
 Shame about the softness from noise. I'd try bumping up the contrast,
 let the shadow tones darken up, and increase the Clarity some
 (assuming Lr). Or use the high-pass filter  Overlay layer trick to
 sharpen it up some.
 
 
 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. Actually 
 had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple shots in.
 The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught a 
 bit of the bright sky.
 Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
 Shot 1/7/13
 
 C  C welcome
 
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 K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800, f/8
 
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Re: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/8/2013 3:51 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Steve Cottrell wrote:


On 8/1/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed:


I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all. Every review I
have read echos my experience.

Just thinking further on this for a moment.

If optical viewfinders had never existed, we wouldn't miss them. Then
along came a camera with one built in, and you pick it up and tell us
that your new camera with no rear LCD is kinda cool, and you don't miss
it at all.

My point is, if the designers and manufacturers made only cameras with
no OVFs, then eventually people would accept it as the norm.

It already is considered the norm my millions of people. Despite what
Don says, I read one review of the Pentax K-01 that put the lack of an
optical viewfinder as one of the big *positives* about the camera.
Amazing to me but that's the younger generation for you: they find an
optical viewfinder to be a colossal waste of space  money.

I got to play around with a K-01 at GFM last year. I loved everything
about it except the lack of viewfinder. Even at the blow-out prices
we've seen recently I couldn't convince myself to buy one because of
that.
  

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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:34 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 I think 207 and 151 are worthy shots,

Thanks.  Though 006 is the one with the cormy.

 but you need to edit the set yourself.

There's the rub, They all look to be of about equal quality to me, I tried to 
narrow it down to the best one or two of each type. I don't see what makes one 
better than the others.  Which is why I so much appreciate more detailed 
critique. A few of the photos have people, or birds, doing something, which I 
think makes the photo more interesting, it's not just of a pretty place, but 
it's of something happening at a pretty place. That's why I posted 022 as the 
PESO, because I found it amusing to see all these other guys out there taking 
pretty much the same photo as each other, which was pretty much the same photo 
as 006 or 151.   

 Landscapes don't change. Photographing them once again isn't necessarily 
 wrong or cliched, particularly when the photographer brings his own vision to 
 bear on the scene.

I joke a lot about cliche, but I am not ashamed to occasionally indulge in it.  
It is cliche for a reason. There are some photographers, like my mom, who 
seemed to only photograph sunsets at the beach.  

 Both of these shots are interesting and well done, with 207 being the best in 
 my opinion.

Thank you again.

 
 On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 I had some free time this afternoon, it looked like it would be a nice 
 sunset, and I was a mile or two from Natural Bridges.  When I got there, I 
 found out that I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360036091/
 
 If you are in the mood for a huge pile of cliche, here's the whole set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632470459006/
 
 The photographer in several of them was some guy named Scott.  As I told 
 him, he made a great compositional balance.  Rather than just a picture of 
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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread kwaller
Larry - there's nothing new under the sun - back in 1988, when I started 
doing vehicle inspections for product litigation, I used plastic 6 rulers 
with eight of an inch markings along one edge  the other edge marked in 
metric - while the entire ruler was essentially a grey card. With 2 of these 
in an image, at right angles, you not only could attain proper colors but 
also get accurate dimensions in 2 directions.


They are available at -
http://www.crimescene.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=53products_id=391

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com

Subject: Photo gadgets that I wish they made


I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger 
than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance 
reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting than in 
standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently realized that it 
would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches 
and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I 
take a photo of it next to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance 
reference, I'd also have something to give a good size reference.
The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
markings along the edge.


Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% 
neutral grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with 
me.


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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread John Sessoms

From: Jack Davis


Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose.
Actually had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a
couple shots in.
The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure,?to the spot metering having
caught a bit of the bright sky.
Not displeased, however,?at what the K-5's DR?allowed me to bring out.
Shot 1/7/13
?
C  C welcome
?
Jack
?
K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800, f/8
?
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=665


Very nice

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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Ditto what Bruce and Ken said!  And a fave birdie of mine too.

ann

On 1/8/2013 15:42, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Ditto what Bruce said.

What lens ?

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- Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail



That's a hell of a pose, Jack. Great capture!

Shame about the softness from noise. I'd try bumping up the contrast,
let the shadow tones darken up, and increase the Clarity some
(assuming Lr). Or use the high-pass filter  Overlay layer trick to
sharpen it up some.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose.
Actually had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a
couple shots in.
The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having
caught a bit of the bright sky.
Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
Shot 1/7/13

C  C welcome

Jack

K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800, f/8

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=665





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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 1:21 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

 Larry - there's nothing new under the sun - back in 1988, when I started 
 doing vehicle inspections for product litigation, I used plastic 6 rulers 
 with eight of an inch markings along one edge  the other edge marked in 
 metric - while the entire ruler was essentially a grey card. With 2 of these 
 in an image, at right angles, you not only could attain proper colors but 
 also get accurate dimensions in 2 directions.
 
 They are available at -
 http://www.crimescene.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=53products_id=391

Excellent!  Thanks!

 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
 - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
 Subject: Photo gadgets that I wish they made
 
 
 I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger 
 than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance 
 reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting than in 
 standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently realized that it 
 would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches 
 and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I 
 take a photo of it next to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance 
 reference, I'd also have something to give a good size reference.
 The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
 markings along the edge.
 
 Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
 grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.
 
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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

2013-01-08 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

 Hello Larry, just take a fine point permanent marker, a millimeter
 scale and mark your own scale on the card. To make it look pro, first
 mark 3-horizontal guide lines with a pencil. Use the outer lines for
 the centimeter mark and the top + center lines for the millimeter
 mark.
 And presto you have what you need for your macro work.

That's pretty much what I did, though not quite as cleanly as that.

 

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Re: PESO: Red Tail - Bruce

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Bruce, at your urging, I applied despeckle filter in addition to reduce 
noise filter and bumped the contrast a bit more.

I see some smoothing.

 Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=666

- Original Message -
From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail

That's a hell of a pose, Jack. Great capture!

Shame about the softness from noise. I'd try bumping up the contrast,
let the shadow tones darken up, and increase the Clarity some
(assuming Lr). Or use the high-pass filter  Overlay layer trick to
sharpen it up some.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose. Actually 
 had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a couple shots in.
 The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having caught a 
 bit of the bright sky.
 Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
 Shot 1/7/13

 C  C welcome

 Jack

 K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800, f/8

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=665

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Re: OT: CS2 now a freebie!

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Sharpe

Sounds like someone at Adobe screwed up big time.

At 3:32 AM -0500 1/8/13, John Francis wrote:

Adobe claim that only people with a pre-existing CS2 license are legally
entitled to download  install this software.

While that may be their intent, there's some doubt as to whether they
would be able to enforce this - apparently the license that comes with
these downloads only states that you must have obtained the software
from Adobe.  In any case, that's pretty much academic - the software can
be installed, and apparently runs just fine (though not on recent Macs,
and there is some question as to whether it works on 64-bit Windows 7).



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Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach

2013-01-08 Thread kwaller

I don't see what makes one better than the others


The 2 Paul called out, and I agree with him, are images in which there is no 
question in what you want the viewer to look at, the subject is isolated, 
simplified and defined. In some of the others, you've included other things 
that are distracting, IMO, and are calling for my eyes to pay attention to 
them.


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- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com

Subject: Re: PESO, I've got some time to kill, I'll head to the beach




On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:34 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


I think 207 and 151 are worthy shots,


Thanks.  Though 006 is the one with the cormy.


but you need to edit the set yourself.


There's the rub, They all look to be of about equal quality to me, I tried 
to narrow it down to the best one or two of each type. I don't see what 
makes one better than the others.  Which is why I so much appreciate more 
detailed critique. A few of the photos have people, or birds, doing 
something, which I think makes the photo more interesting, it's not just 
of a pretty place, but it's of something happening at a pretty place. 
That's why I posted 022 as the PESO, because I found it amusing to see all 
these other guys out there taking pretty much the same photo as each 
other, which was pretty much the same photo as 006 or 151.


Landscapes don't change. Photographing them once again isn't necessarily 
wrong or cliched, particularly when the photographer brings his own 
vision to bear on the scene.


I joke a lot about cliche, but I am not ashamed to occasionally indulge in 
it.  It is cliche for a reason. There are some photographers, like my mom, 
who seemed to only photograph sunsets at the beach.


Both of these shots are interesting and well done, with 207 being the 
best in my opinion.


Thank you again.



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I had some free time this afternoon, it looked like it would be a nice 
sunset, and I was a mile or two from Natural Bridges.  When I got there, 
I found out that I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8360036091/

If you are in the mood for a huge pile of cliche, here's the whole set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157632470459006/

The photographer in several of them was some guy named Scott.  As I told 
him, he made a great compositional balance.  Rather than just a picture 
of the landscape, I felt having him in there helped to tell a story.


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RE: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bob W


From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts

[...]

Amazing to me but that's the younger generation for you: they find an
optical viewfinder to be a colossal waste of space  money.



wait until they get into their 40s and can't focus on the damn thing without
reading glasses.


Or their 60s when they can't focus on it even with the reading glasses.

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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Ann! As a result of what you, Bruce and Ken said, I've posted a do-over.
It's now showing some increased haloing. but somewhat less grain.
 
Jack
 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail

Ditto what Bruce and Ken said!  And a fave birdie of mine too.

ann

On 1/8/2013 15:42, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Ditto what Bruce said.

 What lens ?

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 - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail


 That's a hell of a pose, Jack. Great capture!

 Shame about the softness from noise. I'd try bumping up the contrast,
 let the shadow tones darken up, and increase the Clarity some
 (assuming Lr). Or use the high-pass filter  Overlay layer trick to
 sharpen it up some.


 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose.
 Actually had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a
 couple shots in.
 The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure, to the spot metering having
 caught a bit of the bright sky.
 Not displeased, however, at what the K-5's DR allowed me to bring out.
 Shot 1/7/13

 C  C welcome

 Jack

 K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800, f/8

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=665



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Re: PESO: Red Tail

2013-01-08 Thread Jack Davis
Thank you, John!

Jack
 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: Red Tail

From: Jack Davis

 Posting this due to the hawk's completely accidental dynamic pose.
 Actually had forgotten to set continuous shutter, so only got a
 couple shots in.
 The hawk was very dark due, I'm sure,?to the spot metering having
 caught a bit of the bright sky.
 Not displeased, however,?at what the K-5's DR?allowed me to bring out.
 Shot 1/7/13
 ?
 C  C welcome
 ?
 Jack
 ?
 K-5, 1/5000, ISO 800, f/8
 ?
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=665

Very nice

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Re: OT: CS2 now a freebie!

2013-01-08 Thread Darren Addy
I need Adobe Illustrator, but only occasionally here at work (usually
to convert something from or to vector graphics) so I'm downloading
Illustrator CS2 now. It says 7 minutes left to the download. My
workstation is 64-bit Windows 7, so I'll test that theory.

What seems strangest about this to me is that Adobe didn't require an
Adobe log-in (at a minimum) to get to the page. That way, they would
be able to follow-up with sales pitches for upgrades, etc. So
something is quite odd about this, but not complaining.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 Sounds like someone at Adobe screwed up big time.


 At 3:32 AM -0500 1/8/13, John Francis wrote:

 Adobe claim that only people with a pre-existing CS2 license are legally
 entitled to download  install this software.

 While that may be their intent, there's some doubt as to whether they
 would be able to enforce this - apparently the license that comes with
 these downloads only states that you must have obtained the software
 from Adobe.  In any case, that's pretty much academic - the software can
 be installed, and apparently runs just fine (though not on recent Macs,
 and there is some question as to whether it works on 64-bit Windows 7).


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Re: OT: CS2 now a freebie!

2013-01-08 Thread David Parsons
It installed and runs fine on 64-bit W8.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:32 AM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:

 Adobe claim that only people with a pre-existing CS2 license are legally
 entitled to download  install this software.

 While that may be their intent, there's some doubt as to whether they
 would be able to enforce this - apparently the license that comes with
 these downloads only states that you must have obtained the software
 from Adobe.  In any case, that's pretty much academic - the software can
 be installed, and apparently runs just fine (though not on recent Macs,
 and there is some question as to whether it works on 64-bit Windows 7).


 On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:41:19PM -0400, Steve Sharpe wrote:
 http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/01/grab-photoshop-and-cs2-for-absolutely-free-right-now/

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Re: OT: CS2 now a freebie!

2013-01-08 Thread Darren Addy
Yep, and Illustrator CS2 runs fine on 64-bit Windows 7. This is great.

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Re: Re: New , PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Don Guthrie

Picture clearer now. Understood  no argument. Preference better word.


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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:57:41 + From: Steve Cottrell
co...@seeingeye.tv To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: New
PENTAX MX-1 Message-ID:
20130108195741.1918932...@newsmtp.blacknight.co.uk Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 8/1/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated,
unleashed:

Cotty  You confused a bit here. You said you would be interested in
option c mirrorless APC with optical finder then in later msg. you
indicate you have finder-less Fuji you love.??

The Fuji I love does have an optical viewfinder. I use the OVF a lot,
but not exclusively. Sometimes I use the rear LCD, when the situation
suits. If I have a preference it is for the OVF.


I have tried the K-01 and do not miss the finder at all. Every review I
have read echos my experience. At the current low price for K-01 they
are selling as fast as they are stocked. That indicates to me it was
slightly over-designed and somewhat overpriced. But lack of a finder did
not keep it from being a success.  I am not anti-finder having come from
dlsr tradition from the start and only owned one point and shoot but I
don't get the obsession with finders.

I have tried quite a few cameras, some with no OVF. I wouldn't buy one.
As a family, we own two. I don't use them.

I don't have an obsession with finders, I have a preference. As you, I
have owned and used many different film and digital stills cameras over
the years, the vast majority with optical viewfinders. I also use a
video camera most days, with a very high res electronic viewfinder
(actually a small cathode ray tube, mono) so am very used to looking
down one. This perhaps explains my preference for them? That said, there
are some shots where it is much easier to flip out the LCD from the side
and use that, if the situation arises., like filming football (soccer).
It is impractical to film this using the finder, as peripheral vision
here is crucial in seeing and anticipating where the ball is going next.

I think on of the main reasons I prefer a finder is to concentrate what
is in the frame, and exclude all else from the equation. With a
rangefinder camera, you get a bit more around the frame, which I find
neither here nor there. To me, it's what is happening in the frame, or
about to happen in the frame that demands my concentration. Maybe I'm
not very good at blocking out all the other things going on around me
while I'm taking pics!

HTH



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Re: OT: 30 floor hotel in 15 days

2013-01-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Can't be China, I don't see any bamboo scaffolding!  (Yes, even at 30 stories.)

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 Ann was recently talking about how quickly a building went up.  I was just 
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PDML Photo Annual - Week 1

2013-01-08 Thread Mark Roberts
We've had 44 photos submitted so far and some cracking good shots
amongst them. Add yours to the roster:
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Re: PDML Photo Annual - Week 1

2013-01-08 Thread David J Brooks
I have min4 narrowed down to 6 sobut the cut is the hardest to do.

Dave

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Re: New , PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 8/1/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed:

Picture clearer now. Understood  no argument. Preference better word.

I prefer to agree with you ;-)

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Re: RE: New PENTAX MX-1

2013-01-08 Thread Don Guthrie
Wow guys I'm in my mid 60's and I need glasses to find my glasses and I 
have no problem focusing on the K-01. When I push the focus button the 
screen is bright and clear and will zoom in so I can see exactly what's 
in focus. There are issues -like battery suckage but not focus. I 
understand the preference to isolate your view. But in some situations 
it is good to be aware of the surroundings.



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Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 16:34:57 -0500
From: John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com
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Subject: RE: New PENTAX MX-1
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From: Bob W


From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts

[...]

Amazing to me but that's the younger generation for you: they find an
optical viewfinder to be a colossal waste of space  money.



wait until they get into their 40s and can't focus on the damn thing without
reading glasses.

Or their 60s when they can't focus on it even with the reading glasses.



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