Re: A couple of PESOs from the beach

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 07:13:46AM +0100, Bob W wrote:
> They are both extremely very excellent.
Thank you very much.

   Larry

> 
> B
> 
> > On 23 Sep 2013, at 02:52, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > 
> > I did get some fun photos. These two are likely the best of the more 
> > interesting photos:
> > 
> > Couple on the beach.  I had set the caemra up to do some long exposres
> > and this couple wandered into the frame, so I used them as a compositional
> > element.
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887455644/
> > 
> > Walking back to the car, I kept wanting to get some shots of the 
> > golden gate bridge, and resisting the impulse because it was 
> > after all, 3:30 am.  Finally a vista opened up that I couldn't 
> > resist.  I was so busy trying to get things set up and the 
> > shots taken quickly, that I didn't even notice the ship at the time.
> > 
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887568913/
> > 
> > If you're interested in the rest of the set (many shot with the IR 
> > flash)
> > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635783040256/
> > 
> > 
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Re: A couple of PESOs from the beach

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 07:43:23AM +0100, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> Both really good shots Larry.

Thanks Chris!

> Chris
> 
> On 23 September 2013 02:52, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > I went to a fun party last night in San Francisco. Apart from schlepping
> > everything from parking, down past the legion of honor down to the beach.
> > And back up.  That wasn't entirely fun.
> > I spent a big part of the evening helping a friend take videos of the
> > evening. She wanted to use my IR rig for video, and there were some
> > technical difficulties, in part because I neglected to recharge the
> > battery.
> >
> > I did get some fun photos. These two are likely the best of the more
> > interesting photos:
> >
> > Couple on the beach.  I had set the caemra up to do some long exposres
> > and this couple wandered into the frame, so I used them as a compositional
> > element.
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887455644/
> >
> > Walking back to the car, I kept wanting to get some shots of the
> > golden gate bridge, and resisting the impulse because it was
> > after all, 3:30 am.  Finally a vista opened up that I couldn't
> > resist.  I was so busy trying to get things set up and the
> > shots taken quickly, that I didn't even notice the ship at the time.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887568913/
> >
> > If you're interested in the rest of the set (many shot with the IR
> > flash)
> > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635783040256/
> >
> > And, yes, we did have a live band down at the beach.  The weather, to
> > my surprise, was also perfect.
> >
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Chris Mitchell]

On 22 September 2013 19:13, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 22/9/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I picked up a beat-up old Yamaha acoustic from a friend about a week ago
>>after I got hooked on playing another friend's Martin while house/dog
>>sitting.
>>
>>It's truly a beater, but it sounds good after a new set of strings and
>>just a touch of work on the nut to get the take out the buzz on the top
>>E string when played open. And I got it at a price that made rebuilding
>>the calluses on my fingers seem bearable.
>>
>>I'll probably be looking for something newer and nicer in the
>>not-too-distant future. Still, it's not a bad little starter guitar. And
>>it's in much better condition than the one Willie Nelson plays.
>
> Come on over and I'll get my mando out ;-)
>
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> Cheers,
>   Cotty

I've got a beaten up old Yamaha so I'll bring that along too.
Chris

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Re: A couple of PESOs from the beach

[Chris Mitchell]

Both really good shots Larry.
Chris

On 23 September 2013 02:52, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I went to a fun party last night in San Francisco. Apart from schlepping
> everything from parking, down past the legion of honor down to the beach.
> And back up.  That wasn't entirely fun.
> I spent a big part of the evening helping a friend take videos of the
> evening. She wanted to use my IR rig for video, and there were some
> technical difficulties, in part because I neglected to recharge the
> battery.
>
> I did get some fun photos. These two are likely the best of the more
> interesting photos:
>
> Couple on the beach.  I had set the caemra up to do some long exposres
> and this couple wandered into the frame, so I used them as a compositional
> element.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887455644/
>
> Walking back to the car, I kept wanting to get some shots of the
> golden gate bridge, and resisting the impulse because it was
> after all, 3:30 am.  Finally a vista opened up that I couldn't
> resist.  I was so busy trying to get things set up and the
> shots taken quickly, that I didn't even notice the ship at the time.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887568913/
>
> If you're interested in the rest of the set (many shot with the IR
> flash)
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635783040256/
>
> And, yes, we did have a live band down at the beach.  The weather, to
> my surprise, was also perfect.
>
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Zos Xavius]

You are correct, and with diffraction I think that 24-30mp is
approaching the limits of what aps-c can resolve. I know the
theoretical ceiling is much higher, but realistically we are reaching
the limits of current lenses. Look at the D800 for instance. So 18%
more resolution. I welcome that. Nearly 20% larger is still a sizable
increase IMO.

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Linear resolution is what counts with a 20mp sensor the linear resolution is
> increases by only 10%, with a 24mp sensor linear resolution is increased by
> 18%. To get a 33% increase in linear resolution you'll need a sensor of a
> bit more than 28mp. The "pixels" are getting pretty small at that point, on
> an APS-C sensor and the laws of physics that make high ISO with low noise
> problematic in small sensor cameras begin to rear their ugly heads.
>
>
>
> On 9/22/2013 1:25 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>
>> 33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
>> k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David J Brooks 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:


 http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html

 It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
 source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
 shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.
>>>
>>> Still nothing to get me excited to upgrade from my K-5
>>>
>>> Dave

 On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
 wrote:
>
> On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
>
>> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
>>
>>> Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to
>>> that they made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently 
>>> they
>>> marketed a Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice
>>> technology into them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat
>>> better tech and more features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice
>>> cameras, but there was always something off about their ergonomics.
>>>
>>> Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not
>>> that long ago actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area
>>> went out of business, (they had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was
>>> worried about getting it back, I did eventually), at their going out of
>>> business sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the model number, it 
>>> resembled
>>> a Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for setting 
>>> manual
>>> shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be pristine 
>>> condition
>>> and the price was certainly right, I was seriously considering buying 
>>> it as
>>> a body to carry where I didn't want to risk a LX or MX, when one of the
>>> buttons simply fell off.  The salesman who I knew, (it wasn't a paid
>>> liquidator running the sale), said, "That seems to happen a lot, it just
>>> snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.
>>>
>>> Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't
>>> remember when, exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as 
>>> when
>>> Yashica stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.
>>>
>>
>> I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string
>> brand but it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME
>> Super in a slightly larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it 
>> was
>> stolen in the mid 80s but, on the positive side, the theft brought me 
>> back
>> to Pentax :-)>
>>
>> I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.
>> They continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before
>> pulling the plug.
>
> You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most
> manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the
> right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, 
> which
> was specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control models.
> It was/is very successful even today as it is a very large diameter 
> bayonet
> flange on a relatively short mount register, allowing a smooth conversion 
> to
> digital capture. Nikon and everyone else without a purpose designed mount
> flange have struggled a bit.
>
> Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the
> student photo staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were 
> less
> expensive than Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the
> hands of a bunch of high school kids.
>
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Re: A couple of PESOs from the beach

[Bob W]

They are both extremely very excellent.

B

> On 23 Sep 2013, at 02:52, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I did get some fun photos. These two are likely the best of the more 
> interesting photos:
> 
> Couple on the beach.  I had set the caemra up to do some long exposres
> and this couple wandered into the frame, so I used them as a compositional
> element.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887455644/
> 
> Walking back to the car, I kept wanting to get some shots of the 
> golden gate bridge, and resisting the impulse because it was 
> after all, 3:30 am.  Finally a vista opened up that I couldn't 
> resist.  I was so busy trying to get things set up and the 
> shots taken quickly, that I didn't even notice the ship at the time.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887568913/
> 
> If you're interested in the rest of the set (many shot with the IR 
> flash)
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635783040256/
> 
> 

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Re: High diving giraffes

[Bob W]

You can tell it's fake because they're not wearing Speedos.

B

> On 23 Sep 2013, at 01:59, Bill  wrote:
> 
> 
> this is awesome
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v9zCEMEDWX0#t=128
> 
> bill

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Re: Peso - the editor

[David Mann]

On Sep 23, 2013, at 5:37 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside capture
> 
> 
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/930944460_kq2VWpr/Medium

"I can't decide... think I'll sleep on it."

Cheers,
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I never said that more resolution was a bad thing. I said it was no longer the 
limiting factor in the quality of a photograph. 

What is the quality of a photograph? Simple: a quality photograph captures your 
mind and holds you. It expresses something poignant, beautiful, interesting, 
etc. There's a baseline of technical quality required to achieve that, as well 
as a baseline of aesthetic impact. 

"I need more pixels for printing big" is such a shill. I don't find big 
photographs have any more quality than small ones. In most cases, they have 
less, but they impress just because they're BIG. Bloated, IMO. I very rarely 
print larger than what fits on a 13x19 piece of paper, and most commonly print 
in the 6x8 inch range. 

My most recent project was 52 prints, 4.25x3.50 inches in size with an image 
area 3x3 inch. Showed it at a group exhibition of fellow photographers ... It 
won three awards against the vast and gorgeous competition prints that others 
submitted. Yeah, I make exhibition prints up to 24x30 too, but rarely. I find 
them only occasionally interesting.

Capturing gesture, expression, emotion ... that's what quality photographs do. 
Not cover walls... 

G


On Sep 22, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Tom C  wrote:

> Here's where I coming from on this. To say one's images wouldn't or
> couldn't benefit from increased resolution is like saying they
> couldn't benefit by using a finer grained film (in the day) or a
> higher quality lens.
> 
> Maybe some figure they never print above size D x D, or display an
> image larger than P x P. That's fine maybe they don't *need* it.
> 
> Image capture is the start of the process. To belittle the idea that
> increased resolution is not a desirable thing is akin to saying you're
> quite willing to throwaway image information that was there for the
> taking. The principle is start out with the best achievable first gen
> image and the end result will be better as well.
> 
> There's tradeoffs of course in price, weight, flexibility, and each
> person is different.
> 
> I have a lot of 6MP captures I like too, but if I wanted to display or
> print large I'd be far happier to have captured them at 20, 24, or
> 36MP.


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Re: OT - 34th AC

[David Mann]

On Sep 23, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 22/9/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Not this time Kiwis ;-)
> 
> Nor this!
> 
> Go Oracle!!

Don't worry mate, I'm so sick of the obsessive reporting of these races that 
I'm starting to hope Oracle win too ;)  It'd certainly be one hell of a 
comeback.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[P.J. Alling]

Linear resolution is what counts with a 20mp sensor the linear 
resolution is increases by only 10%, with a 24mp sensor linear 
resolution is increased by 18%. To get a 33% increase in linear 
resolution you'll need a sensor of a bit more than 28mp. The "pixels" 
are getting pretty small at that point, on an APS-C sensor and the laws 
of physics that make high ISO with low noise problematic in small sensor 
cameras begin to rear their ugly heads.



On 9/22/2013 1:25 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:

http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html

It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.

Still nothing to get me excited to upgrade from my K-5

Dave

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:


Quoting "P.J. Alling" :


Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that they 
made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they marketed a 
Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice technology into 
them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat better tech and more 
features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice cameras, but there was always 
something off about their ergonomics.

Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that long ago 
actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went out of business, (they 
had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was worried about getting it back, I did 
eventually), at their going out of business sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the 
model number, it resembled a Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for 
setting manual shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be pristine 
condition and the price was certainly right, I was seriously considering buying it as a 
body to carry where I didn't want to risk a LX or MX, when one of the buttons simply fell 
off.  The salesman who I knew, (it wasn't a paid liquidator running the sale), said, 
"That seems to happen a lot, it just snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.

Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember when, 
exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when Yashica stopped 
making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.



I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string brand but 
it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME Super in a slightly 
larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it was stolen in the mid 80s 
but, on the positive side, the theft brought me back to Pentax :-)>

I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  They 
continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before pulling the 
plug.

You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, which was 
specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control models. It 
was/is very successful even today as it is a very large diameter bayonet flange 
on a relatively short mount register, allowing a smooth conversion to digital 
capture. Nikon and everyone else without a purpose designed mount flange have 
struggled a bit.

Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student photo 
staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were less expensive than 
Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the hands of a bunch of 
high school kids.

G
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Re: PAW194 - Spot

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

just lovely, Dag!

G

On Sep 22, 2013, at 1:38 PM, DagT  wrote:

> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
> Pentax K-5, DA*200mm 1/125s, f/3.5, ISO100


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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[P.J. Alling]

Ricewhine is as good a prognosticator as your average psychic, which is 
to say not very.  His last set of predictions included a FF 24mp DSLR 
and an Updated 645D, to be announced at the last Photokina  I was going 
to keep close track because Ricewhine just annoys me but I didn't bother 
because he's not worth the effort so I have to rely on my memory.  IIRC 
he was wrong on 8 of 10 predictions at that time. That's a lot worse 
than random chance.


Will there be an announcement soon?  The best predictor is what are the 
prices of Pentax Cameras doing, and you know they're holding pretty 
steady.  The street price of the K-5II keeps drifting lower, but that's 
what happens with pretty much every digital camera after it's released.


Sure Pentax is behind in the APS-C megapixel race, but you don't gain 
all that much by simply doubling the megapixel count on the same size 
sensor.  It gives a 18% larger print at identical resolutions, which 
isn't much, and that's only meaningful if the lens used can at least 
match resolution of the sensor. and or that 18% improvement in linear 
resolution you need to update imaging software, memory, if your picture 
processing machine is a bit older, you'll have to update the processor.  
Oh and don't forget storage space, all for a fairly small improvement in 
image size and maybe a decrease in over all quality.


On 9/22/2013 12:55 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html

It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:


Quoting "P.J. Alling" :


Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that they 
made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they marketed a 
Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice technology into 
them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat better tech and more 
features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice cameras, but there was always 
something off about their ergonomics.

Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that long ago 
actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went out of business, (they 
had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was worried about getting it back, I did 
eventually), at their going out of business sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the 
model number, it resembled a Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for 
setting manual shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be pristine 
condition and the price was certainly right, I was seriously considering buying it as a 
body to carry where I didn't want to risk a LX or MX, when one of the buttons simply fell 
off.  The salesman who I knew, (it wasn't a paid liquidator running the sale), said, 
"That seems to happen a lot, it just snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.

Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember when, 
exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when Yashica stopped 
making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.



I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string brand but 
it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME Super in a slightly 
larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it was stolen in the mid 80s 
but, on the positive side, the theft brought me back to Pentax :-)>

I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  They 
continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before pulling the 
plug.

You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, which was 
specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control models. It 
was/is very successful even today as it is a very large diameter bayonet flange 
on a relatively short mount register, allowing a smooth conversion to digital 
capture. Nikon and everyone else without a purpose designed mount flange have 
struggled a bit.

Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student photo 
staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were less expensive than 
Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the hands of a bunch of 
high school kids.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Tom C]

> From: Bruce Walker 
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> Paul, don't you ever print?
>
> I can often easily see the difference between my K100D 6MP shots and
> my K20D 15MP shots when printed at 10x15 inches, the smallest I ever
> go. Especially in auto detail type subjects where the stairsteps on
> diagonals are visible without a magnifying glass.
>
> The difference is barely apparent at web sizes (under 1kx1k), but
> readily apparent when retouching in Photoshop. The more detail you
> have to start with the easier and less obtrusive retouching will be.
>
> I am looking forward to a significant increase in useable resolution.
> My DA* glass is ready for it. I hope they deliver.
>

Here's where I coming from on this. To say one's images wouldn't or
couldn't benefit from increased resolution is like saying they
couldn't benefit by using a finer grained film (in the day) or a
higher quality lens.

Maybe some figure they never print above size D x D, or display an
image larger than P x P. That's fine maybe they don't *need* it.

Image capture is the start of the process. To belittle the idea that
increased resolution is not a desirable thing is akin to saying you're
quite willing to throwaway image information that was there for the
taking. The principle is start out with the best achievable first gen
image and the end result will be better as well.

There's tradeoffs of course in price, weight, flexibility, and each
person is different.

I have a lot of 6MP captures I like too, but if I wanted to display or
print large I'd be far happier to have captured them at 20, 24, or
36MP.

Tom C.

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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[P.J. Alling]

On 9/22/2013 4:15 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


The MX-1 is cute and retro, and K-01 is downright  funky.


I understand the odor goes away with time.



On 9/22/2013 4:15 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

I am not sold on any bridge camera, but if I get  Pentax, I think I will go
for the MX-1.

Mainly because it supports RAW  files. There are tons of nicer compact
cameras out there, some pretty pricey,  some not. Many of the ones people have
suggested to me. But I am coming from a  specialized place of starting from
another brand of DSLR to begin with and  wanting a Pentax to get in the PUG
occasionally and the annual. It looks like  the MX-1 is doable. OR... Heh, I
just found it on ebay, the K-01. (Think I was  off list when that debuted.)
The MX-1 is cute and retro, and K-01 is downright  funky.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 9/22/2013 10:02:05  A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
zosxav...@gmail.com writes:
Look at some 100%  samples from the X-5. I've owned some bridge cameras
and the panny ones were  always the best IMO with support for RAW and
great lenses. The X-5 samples  look pretty awful full size. Everything
looks like watercolors in a bad way.  You could do a whole lot better
for the price. I don't even think Pentax  manufactured the X-5 so don't
feel too bad about being unsupportive. The MX-1  on the other hand
looks pretty nice for a compact and arguable better than  the Q for a
lot of general shooting. Same sensor size and a really sharp  lens.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:04 AM,wrote:

I understand all that, but it also allows for  the PUG and  annual. Unless
the rules have changed. ?

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

In a message dated 9/22/2013 6:57:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight  Time,
a...@pobox.com writes:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013,  eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:

Thanks!, Mark. I've  really wondered about the Q.   Seems sort of like
Pentax's  answer to micro3/4 /compact cameras (well,  I see it  that

way).

Yes, it is, but even the Q7 only has 1/1.7"  sensor  (same size as the
P7100/P7800/DMC-LF1 I've been pushing), so  you're  limited to about ISO
800 for good quality.  And  there's no viewfinder,  no articulated

display.

You do gain some  low-light performance with the Q's  15-45/2.8 or a
honking big  K-mount lens, but that's also quite a bit larger  than the
  compacts.

  





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Re: Peso - the editor

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 9/22/2013 16:09, Bruce Walker wrote:

I'll forgive the darkside capture if you'll forgive another cat pic
I'm about to post. ;-)


THe more the merrier -- cats, that is - not darkside captures
OR should I say the more the meowier??

ann



The editor is being honest and brutal, Ann. Love it!

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside capture


http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/930944460_kq2VWpr/Medium

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Re: Peso - the editor

[Ann Sanfedele]

Indeed, JAck
and that would be "she"

ann

On 9/22/2013 15:33, Jack Davis wrote:

I think he's passing judgment on your work?

Jack ;-)


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taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside capture


http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/930944460_kq2VWpr/Medium

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Re: Peso - Ludington Dunes

[Ann Sanfedele]

That's a seriously spooky place - the IR makes it look like a night shot 
- which I thought it was until I read your equipment list.


ah good ol LX'en

ann



On 9/22/2013 21:00, Mark C wrote:

Thanks, Paul - I never visited there before, but it is a strip of sand
dunes a few miles across between the two lakes - neat place!

Mark

On 9/22/2013 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Superb!

Paul via phone


On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Mark C  wrote:

Another shot from my trip up north a few weeks ago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes

Pentax LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in
HC110 1:100 for 1 hour.

I'm not too happy with the results but used the image as a means to
publish what I consider to be pretty good development time /
technique. C&C welcome.

Mark

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Re: PESO Repurposed

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Bruce Walker :

Or: "6-in-1 Reflector". Taffy has another use for my Westcott 5-in-1  
reflector:


http://flic.kr/p/g4cRBi




Very nice.  Cute puss.



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Re: PESO -- Waiting

[Brian Walters]

Quoting "P.J. Alling" :

Well I've gotten almost no comments on the last few PESOs.  But  
here's a test, (of software actually).  First acceptable, at least I  
think it's acceptable, rendering with DXOMark Filmpack 3, Emulating  
TriX, 35mm grain, and a green filter.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20waiting.html



I've no idea if that replicates TriX, having never used the stuff, but  
I like the tone in the image.


I downloaded Filmpack 3 but yet to give it a try.  Looks like it could be fun.



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Re: PESO - Anna at the window

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Doug Brewer :


For your Friday evening viewing

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/D1Q99RWiQnd

enjoy



I'm a bit late but that's superb.  The way the light falls off to the  
left adds a bit of mystery.


A lovely portrait.



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Re: PESO: Jacquie and Elvio

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Philip Northeast :


Last weekend  with the K10D and DA* 50-135mm zoom

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27281712@N08/9848692955/




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Re: PESO - Absaroka Range

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

Many thanks for the comments Paul, Attila, Jack, John, Bruce, Mark,  
Dan, Bob W, Chris - much appreciated.


A few other specific responses:

Quoting eactiv...@aol.com:


Nice one. If it was me, I'd lighten up the hills  in the back a tad. Yes,
raining and all that, but I still would - to make  rainbow pop a bit more.



Thanks for the suggestion, Marnie.  I'll give that a try.


Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :


Very nice!

Is there a part of Montana that is not rural?  I didn't find it.  



Thanks, Dan.  Missoula was the largest town we stayed at.  I'd call it  
urban, but that's by Australian standards...



Quoting David Mann :

Two thumbs up.  Actually that looks a lot like it could be in the  
Canterbury foothills here in NZ.


Makes me want to put some boots on and go exploring :)



What's stopping you?  :-)>



Cheers

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On 21 September 2013 13:23, Brian Walters  wrote:

G'day all

Just a late afternoon scene in rural Montana:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3638-K5-1peso.html

Comments welcome.






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A couple of PESOs from the beach

[Larry Colen]

I went to a fun party last night in San Francisco. Apart from schlepping
everything from parking, down past the legion of honor down to the beach.
And back up.  That wasn't entirely fun.  
I spent a big part of the evening helping a friend take videos of the
evening. She wanted to use my IR rig for video, and there were some
technical difficulties, in part because I neglected to recharge the 
battery.  

I did get some fun photos. These two are likely the best of the more 
interesting photos:

Couple on the beach.  I had set the caemra up to do some long exposres
and this couple wandered into the frame, so I used them as a compositional
element.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887455644/

Walking back to the car, I kept wanting to get some shots of the 
golden gate bridge, and resisting the impulse because it was 
after all, 3:30 am.  Finally a vista opened up that I couldn't 
resist.  I was so busy trying to get things set up and the 
shots taken quickly, that I didn't even notice the ship at the time.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9887568913/

If you're interested in the rest of the set (many shot with the IR 
flash)
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635783040256/

And, yes, we did have a live band down at the beach.  The weather, to 
my surprise, was also perfect.

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Re: Peso - Ludington Dunes

[Mark C]

Thanks, Marne -  Indeed - film!

I tried running it through DXO Filmpack but nothing much happened...

Mark

On 9/22/2013 7:49 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Hey, that looks like film! Uh, so it  is.

Nice.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

In a message dated 9/22/2013  3:54:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pdml-m...@charter.net writes:
Another  shot from my trip up north a few weeks  ago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes

Pentax  LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in
HC110  1:100 for 1 hour.

I'm not too happy with the results but used the image  as a means to
publish what I consider to be pretty good development time /  technique.
C&C welcome.

Mark





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Re: Peso - Ludington Dunes

[Mark C]

Thanks, Cotty - the LX is indeed a magical instrument...

On 9/22/2013 6:58 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 22/9/13, Mark C, discombobulated, unleashed:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes

Pentax LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in
HC110 1:100 for 1 hour.

I'm not too happy with the results but used the image as a means to
publish what I consider to be pretty good development time / technique.
C&C welcome.

Mark, I absolutely love it. Fantastic!

And taken with the LX - the camera that entices its owner into a state
of semi-euphoria to the point where everything is fine with the
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Re: Peso - Ludington Dunes

[Mark C]

Thanks, Paul - I never visited there before, but it is a strip of sand 
dunes a few miles across between the two lakes - neat place!


Mark

On 9/22/2013 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Superb!

Paul via phone


On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Mark C  wrote:

Another shot from my trip up north a few weeks ago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes

Pentax LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in HC110 1:100 
for 1 hour.

I'm not too happy with the results but used the image as a means to publish what I 
consider to be pretty good development time / technique. C&C welcome.

Mark

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High diving giraffes

[Bill]

this is awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v9zCEMEDWX0#t=128

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Re: Failure Notices

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From: "Mark Roberts" 

Subject: Re: Failure Notices



Stan Halpin wrote:

Bob W wrote

 wrote:

Jack Davis  wrote:

"Blacklisted?" Sounds like we're back in the McCarthy era.


It's a .commie website.


Shouldn't it be redlined?


They are collectively working on it.


I'm waiting for someone to suggest this be added to the annual
Quotations List by adding "Marx!"



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Re: PESO - Alex and Sarah

[Brendan MacRae]

Nice one, Frank.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> That photo really tells a story  - great!
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 9/18/2013 10:20 PM, knarf wrote:
>>
>> Something tells me Alex' smug grin is about to disappear:
>>
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/09/alex-and-sarah.html?m=1
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Failure Notices

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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Mark Roberts
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> Stan Halpin wrote:
>>>Bob W wrote
 wrote:
> Jack Davis  wrote:
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> "Blacklisted?" Sounds like we're back in the McCarthy era.

 It's a .commie website.
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>>> Shouldn't it be redlined?
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>>They are collectively working on it.
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> I'm waiting for someone to suggest this be added to the annual
> Quotations List by adding "Marx!"

You're Stalin our thunder.

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Re: PAW193 - Grab

[Brendan MacRae]

Very Nice!

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM, DagT  wrote:
> Thanks Dan and Godfrey :-)
>
> DagT
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> 16. sep. 2013 kl. 02:43 skrev Daniel J. Matyola :
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>> It's a Trap!
>>
>> Dan Matyola
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>>
>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, DagT  wrote:
>>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
>>> Pentax K-5, DA*16-50mm@19mm, 1/60s, f/5.6, ISO400, tripod
>>>
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Re: Failure Notices

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Stan Halpin wrote:
>>Bob W wrote
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 "Blacklisted?" Sounds like we're back in the McCarthy era.
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>>> It's a .commie website.
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>> Shouldn't it be redlined?
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Re: Failure Notices

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On Sep 22, 2013, at 7:45 PM,  wrote:

>> It's a .commie website.
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> Shouldn't it be redlined?
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They are collectively working on it.

stan

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>> It's a .commie website.
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>>> On 22 Sep 2013, at 20:27, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>>> "Blacklisted?" Sounds like we're back in the McCarthy era.
>>> 
>>> Jack
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>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
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>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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>>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:21 AM
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>>> on 2013-09-21 18:13 Jack Davis wrote
 Lately I've been getting Failure Notices on some of my PDML responses. 
 Anyone else?
 Hasn't happened in the past.
 When this happens, I've been simply forwarding them from my Sent folder 
 and they go. Strange!!
>>> 
>>> the details in those failure messages may be diagnostic; i note you are 
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>>> Yahoo which (among other mail services) has been blacklisted a few times 
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Re: OT - 34th AC

[kwaller]

YES!
I didn't think Oracle could do it after the first 5 or 6 races but MY how 
things have changed!


I'm totally mesmerized by the boat speed and the quickness of the maneuvers. 
And to think those tiny daggerboards/foils can lift a 13 ton boat up out of 
the water.


Totally fascinating especially with the computer graphics.

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Subject: Re: OT - 34th AC



On 22/9/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:


Not this time Kiwis ;-)


Nor this!

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Re: Peso - the editor

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Too tough an editor for me.

Marnie aka  Doe ;-)

In a message dated 9/22/2013 10:37:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
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taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside  capture


http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/93
0944460_kq2VWpr/Medium

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Re: PESO - Tim, Manchester, 2013

[Eactivist]

I don't know why, but doesn't quite work for me.  (But everyone else will 
love it, I bet.)

HTH, Marnie aka Doe 

In a  message dated 9/22/2013 3:24:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
co...@seeingeye.tv  writes:
Tim, a writer, visiting Manchester from  Chicago.

http://cottycam.posthaven.com/tim-manchester-2013

Fuji  X-10, curry house lighting.

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Re: PESO. A gesture. (Dog content!)

[Eactivist]

First link doesn't work for me, second does.  Nice dog portrait.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 9/22/2013  12:25:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
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The  image:
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Smaller  image within the  blog:
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Suggestions  for a title are most welcome :)

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Re: Peso - Ludington Dunes

[Eactivist]

Hey, that looks like film! Uh, so it  is.

Nice.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Another  shot from my trip up north a few weeks  ago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes

Pentax  LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in 
HC110  1:100 for 1 hour.

I'm not too happy with the results but used the image  as a means to 
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C&C welcome.

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Re: PAW194 - Spot

[Eactivist]

Heheheheheh. Oddly, I like it.

M aka D  :-)

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http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
Pentax  K-5, DA*200mm 1/125s, f/3.5, ISO100

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Re: Failure Notices

[kwaller]

It's a .commie website.


Shouldn't it be redlined?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 

Subject: Re: Failure Notices



It's a .commie website.


On 22 Sep 2013, at 20:27, Jack Davis  wrote:

"Blacklisted?" Sounds like we're back in the McCarthy era.

Jack


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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Failure Notices

on 2013-09-21 18:13 Jack Davis wrote
Lately I've been getting Failure Notices on some of my PDML responses. 
Anyone else?

Hasn't happened in the past.
When this happens, I've been simply forwarding them from my Sent folder 
and they go. Strange!!


the details in those failure messages may be diagnostic; i note you are 
using
Yahoo which (among other mail services) has been blacklisted a few times 
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Bruce Walker]

Paul, don't you ever print?

I can often easily see the difference between my K100D 6MP shots and
my K20D 15MP shots when printed at 10x15 inches, the smallest I ever
go. Especially in auto detail type subjects where the stairsteps on
diagonals are visible without a magnifying glass.

The difference is barely apparent at web sizes (under 1kx1k), but
readily apparent when retouching in Photoshop. The more detail you
have to start with the easier and less obtrusive retouching will be.

I am looking forward to a significant increase in useable resolution.
My DA* glass is ready for it. I hope they deliver.


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I agree . Some of my best prints were made from istD images. Hard to see a 
> difference between those 6 megapixel pics and today's 16 megapixel k5 photos. 
> But I will buy the new camera so I can retire my backup, a noisy k7.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>>
>> Resolution is important for images the need high resolution. IMO, most 
>> images don't. Depends on the subject matter and the intent of the photo. 
>> Again, my opinion, but most images will benefit first from lack of noise and 
>> sharp edges (acutance) and than from increased resolution. But people have 
>> been trained to want more of what-ever and so focus on things that can be 
>> measured and and quantified as "more" because then the marketers can trot 
>> out a new thing and say "See - it's got more!"
>>
>> So bring on the megapixels, Jack!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/22/2013 1:56 PM, steve harley wrote:
>>>
>>> resolution doesn't scale linearly with the number of pixels; with perfect 
>>> lenses and sensors, it scales with the square root of the number of pixels; 
>>> then you add the real world factors
>>
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Re: PESO. A gesture. (Dog content!)

[kwaller]

Suggestions for a title are most welcome :)


You looking at me?

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Subject: PESO. A gesture. (Dog content!)



The image:
http://celasun.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/imgp6057_g_sm.jpg

Smaller image within the blog:
http://celasun.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/communication/

Suggestions for a title are most welcome :)

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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Eactivist]

Thanks. Not a bad review, at all.

M aka  D

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Re: Peso - Ludington Dunes

[Paul Stenquist]

Superb!

Paul via phone

> On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Another shot from my trip up north a few weeks ago:
> 
> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes
> 
> Pentax LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in HC110 
> 1:100 for 1 hour.
> 
> I'm not too happy with the results but used the image as a means to publish 
> what I consider to be pretty good development time / technique. C&C welcome.
> 
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Re: Peso - Ludington Dunes

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On 22/9/13, Mark C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes
>
>Pentax LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in 
>HC110 1:100 for 1 hour.
>
>I'm not too happy with the results but used the image as a means to 
>publish what I consider to be pretty good development time / technique. 
>C&C welcome.

Mark, I absolutely love it. Fantastic!

And taken with the LX - the camera that entices its owner into a state
of semi-euphoria to the point where everything is fine with the
worldyep, the LX wink ->  ;-)

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Peso - Ludington Dunes

[Mark C]

Another shot from my trip up north a few weeks ago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/ludington-dunes

Pentax LX, FA 28-105 f4.-56 PZ,,  Rollei IR 400, stand processed in 
HC110 1:100 for 1 hour.


I'm not too happy with the results but used the image as a means to 
publish what I consider to be pretty good development time / technique. 
C&C welcome.


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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/9/13, Walt Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>If I ever make it to GFM and you're there, 
>I'll have to take you up on that offer.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Paul Stenquist]

I agree . Some of my best prints were made from istD images. Hard to see a 
difference between those 6 megapixel pics and today's 16 megapixel k5 photos. 
But I will buy the new camera so I can retire my backup, a noisy k7.

Paul via phone

> On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Resolution is important for images the need high resolution. IMO, most images 
> don't. Depends on the subject matter and the intent of the photo. Again, my 
> opinion, but most images will benefit first from lack of noise and sharp 
> edges (acutance) and than from increased resolution. But people have been 
> trained to want more of what-ever and so focus on things that can be measured 
> and and quantified as "more" because then the marketers can trot out a new 
> thing and say "See - it's got more!"
> 
> So bring on the megapixels, Jack!
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/22/2013 1:56 PM, steve harley wrote:
>> 
>> resolution doesn't scale linearly with the number of pixels; with perfect 
>> lenses and sensors, it scales with the square root of the number of pixels; 
>> then you add the real world factors
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PESO - Tim, Manchester, 2013

[Steve Cottrell]

Tim, a writer, visiting Manchester from Chicago.



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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Mark C]

Resolution is important for images the need high resolution. IMO, most 
images don't. Depends on the subject matter and the intent of the photo. 
Again, my opinion, but most images will benefit first from lack of noise 
and sharp edges (acutance) and than from increased resolution. But 
people have been trained to want more of what-ever and so focus on 
things that can be measured and and quantified as "more" because then 
the marketers can trot out a new thing and say "See - it's got more!"


So bring on the megapixels, Jack!

Mark



On 9/22/2013 1:56 PM, steve harley wrote:


resolution doesn't scale linearly with the number of pixels; with 
perfect lenses and sensors, it scales with the square root of the 
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Mark C]

On 9/21/2013 6:10 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting "P.J. Alling" :


Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't 
remember when, exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such 
as when Yashica stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, 
making SLRs.


Actually - they announced in 2003 that they would discontinue all film 
cameras in March 2004, and by implication stopped SLR production at that 
time. The move got some press, mostly because it marked how quickly 
digital was capturing the photography market.


Mark

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Re: OT - 34th AC

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/9/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Not this time Kiwis ;-)

Nor this!

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Re: PESO Repurposed

[Jack Davis]

That shade fur should shed very nicely on black.
 
Jack


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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:14 PM
Subject: PESO Repurposed

Or: "6-in-1 Reflector". Taffy has another use for my Westcott 5-in-1 reflector:

http://flic.kr/p/g4cRBi

K100D, DA 18-55 @ 55, f:6.3, 1/60th, ISO 1600; Lightroom.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Tom C]

> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> IMO, we passed the point a long, long time ago (around 5-10 Mpixel 
> resolution) where, assuming a quality sensor, it was anything like a limiting 
> factor in the quality of a
> photograph.
>
> I am still perfectly happy and confident shooting with my lovely old 2003 
> Olympus E-1. 5 glorious Mpixels. Yeah, my other cameras are now all 8 to 18 
> Mpixel, but the E-1 still
> produces beautiful photographs competitive with the best of them.
>
> G

What is the "quality of a photograph"?

"Competitive with the best of them", in what way?

Preface: I know I'm not telling you things you don't already know.

Millions of people loved the quality of their Brownie Hawkeyes and
Instamatics, or Polaroids for that matter. I agree that a 'pleasing'
image is possible with any camera.

However, at face value this argument implies there was no benefit to
medium format film over 24 x 36, or 4 x 5 over that, or 8 x 10 over
that - and that there's no benefit to increased digital resolution.

I see things the other way around. Given a competent photographer
behind the viewfinder, a system with increased resolution serves to
capture more detail and a physically larger sensor likely reduces
noise and increases dynamic range. The higher resolution capture
provides more data to the system. The more data, the more accurate and
detailed the image can/will be.

Compare images from a 6MP *istD and a higher resolution K whatever.
There's a difference. Compare to a 36MP D800E. There's a difference.

If one only views at web size it may not be quite as apparent, the
same way in which a 24 x 36 and medium format image might not look too
strikingly different printed at 4" x 6".
Start viewing at closer to 100% capture resolution, however and the
difference quickly shows up. I'd argue that it can be detectable even
at small sizes, though not as readily apparent.

The benefits of higher resolution are obvious to many. If one doesn't
need it or want it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Can one capture pleasing images with just about any digital camera at
any resolution? Yes. No argument whatsoever.

That is not the same question as: Will one's images likely benefit
from increased resolution? The answer to that is also yes.

Tom C.

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Re: PESO: Real Games

[Mark C]

Cool - nice photo and it works perfectly in the ad.

Mark

On 9/19/2013 8:00 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

Hi,

Several months ago, I heard from a youth hockey program in Minnesota,
asking to use one of my images in an ad campaign that they were
developing... It was a photo of my daughter from my (long-neglected)
blog, taken a few years ago... Anyway, they sent me the ad recently...
Nothing fancy, but I think it's pretty cool.  Hope you enjoy:

http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h738701aa#h738701aa

:)
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Re: PESO: Jacquie and Elvio

[Mark C]

Very nice - perfectly executed and nice expressions and poses.

Mark

On 9/21/2013 3:51 AM, Philip Northeast wrote:


Last weekend  with the K10D and DA* 50-135mm zoom

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27281712@N08/9848692955/





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Re: PAW194 - Spot

[Attila Boros]

Well spotted! :)
Absolute minimalist and very effective.

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PAW194 - Spot

[DagT]

http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
Pentax K-5, DA*200mm 1/125s, f/3.5, ISO100

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Re: PESO Repurposed

[Attila Boros]

Too cute:)

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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

You might be interested to look at this short thread on GetDPI.com:
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/pentax/43010-new-pentax-mx-1-a.html

G

On Sep 22, 2013, at 1:15 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

> I am not sold on any bridge camera, but if I get  Pentax, I think I will go 
> for the MX-1. 
> 
> Mainly because it supports RAW  files. There are tons of nicer compact 
> cameras out there, some pretty pricey,  some not. Many of the ones people 
> have 
> suggested to me. But I am coming from a  specialized place of starting from 
> another brand of DSLR to begin with and  wanting a Pentax to get in the PUG 
> occasionally and the annual. It looks like  the MX-1 is doable. OR... Heh, I 
> just found it on ebay, the K-01. (Think I was  off list when that debuted.) 
> The MX-1 is cute and retro, and K-01 is downright  funky.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)


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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Eactivist]

I am not sold on any bridge camera, but if I get  Pentax, I think I will go 
for the MX-1. 

Mainly because it supports RAW  files. There are tons of nicer compact 
cameras out there, some pretty pricey,  some not. Many of the ones people have 
suggested to me. But I am coming from a  specialized place of starting from 
another brand of DSLR to begin with and  wanting a Pentax to get in the PUG 
occasionally and the annual. It looks like  the MX-1 is doable. OR... Heh, I 
just found it on ebay, the K-01. (Think I was  off list when that debuted.) 
The MX-1 is cute and retro, and K-01 is downright  funky.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 9/22/2013 10:02:05  A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
zosxav...@gmail.com writes:
Look at some 100%  samples from the X-5. I've owned some bridge cameras
and the panny ones were  always the best IMO with support for RAW and
great lenses. The X-5 samples  look pretty awful full size. Everything
looks like watercolors in a bad way.  You could do a whole lot better
for the price. I don't even think Pentax  manufactured the X-5 so don't
feel too bad about being unsupportive. The MX-1  on the other hand
looks pretty nice for a compact and arguable better than  the Q for a
lot of general shooting. Same sensor size and a really sharp  lens.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:04 AM,wrote:
> I understand all that, but it also allows for  the PUG and  annual. Unless
> the rules have changed. ?
>
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2013 6:57:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight  Time,
> a...@pobox.com writes:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013,  eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks!, Mark. I've  really wondered about the Q.   Seems sort of like
>> Pentax's  answer to micro3/4 /compact cameras (well,  I see it  that  
way).
>
> Yes, it is, but even the Q7 only has 1/1.7"  sensor  (same size as the
> P7100/P7800/DMC-LF1 I've been pushing), so  you're  limited to about ISO
> 800 for good quality.  And  there's no viewfinder,  no articulated 
display.
> You do gain some  low-light performance with the Q's  15-45/2.8 or a
> honking big  K-mount lens, but that's also quite a bit larger  than the
>  compacts.
>
>  


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PESO Repurposed

[Bruce Walker]

Or: "6-in-1 Reflector". Taffy has another use for my Westcott 5-in-1 reflector:

http://flic.kr/p/g4cRBi

K100D, DA 18-55 @ 55, f:6.3, 1/60th, ISO 1600; Lightroom.

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Re: Peso - the editor

[Bruce Walker]

I'll forgive the darkside capture if you'll forgive another cat pic
I'm about to post. ;-)

The editor is being honest and brutal, Ann. Love it!

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside capture
>
>
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/930944460_kq2VWpr/Medium
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Re: Failure Notices

[Bob W]

It's a .commie website.

> On 22 Sep 2013, at 20:27, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> "Blacklisted?" Sounds like we're back in the McCarthy era.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: steve harley 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Failure Notices
> 
> on 2013-09-21 18:13 Jack Davis wrote
>> Lately I've been getting Failure Notices on some of my PDML responses. 
>> Anyone else?
>> Hasn't happened in the past.
>> When this happens, I've been simply forwarding them from my Sent folder and 
>> they go. Strange!!
> 
> the details in those failure messages may be diagnostic; i note you are using 
> Yahoo which (among other mail services) has been blacklisted a few times 
> recently
> 
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Re: PESO - Trolley and Shadows

[Mark C]

Well seen - nice patterns intersecting.

Mark

On 9/19/2013 7:55 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

 From my walk to work Tuesday morning:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17532915

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17532915-lg.jpg

(K-5, FA 28/2.8)

Comments?

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Re: Peso - the editor

[Jack Davis]

I think he's passing judgment on your work?
 
Jack ;-)


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Subject: Peso - the editor

taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside capture


http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/930944460_kq2VWpr/Medium

ann

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Re: PESO - Romeo's (redux)

[Mark C]

Cool and colorful place. I like this crop better - the first one seemed 
to be two photos competing for attention, and the actual stand (vs the 
mural) was the stronger of the two. It has a kinda of carribean feel to 
it, though I guess that it was taken in Canada...


Mark

On 9/19/2013 7:03 PM, knarf wrote:

I decided to try a tighter shot of Romeo's Fruit Stand. It's actually a 
different frame which was tighter in the camera then cropped:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/09/romeos-redux.html?m=1

By way of comparison here's the original post from a couple days ago:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/09/romeos-fruit-stand.html?m=1

I like the new one better. Thoughts? Other suggestions?

Thanks!

Cheers,
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Re: Failure Notices

[Jack Davis]

"Blacklisted?" Sounds like we're back in the McCarthy era.

Jack


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Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Failure Notices

on 2013-09-21 18:13 Jack Davis wrote
> Lately I've been getting Failure Notices on some of my PDML responses. Anyone 
> else?
> Hasn't happened in the past.
> When this happens, I've been simply forwarding them from my Sent folder and 
> they go. Strange!!

the details in those failure messages may be diagnostic; i note you are using 
Yahoo which (among other mail services) has been blacklisted a few times 
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Re: PESO - Alex and Sarah

[Mark C]

That photo really tells a story  - great!

Mark

On 9/18/2013 10:20 PM, knarf wrote:

Something tells me Alex' smug grin is about to disappear:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/09/alex-and-sarah.html?m=1

;-)

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

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PESO. A gesture. (Dog content!)

[Bulent Celasun]

The image:
http://celasun.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/imgp6057_g_sm.jpg

Smaller image within the blog:
http://celasun.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/communication/

Suggestions for a title are most welcome :)

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:56 AM, steve harley  wrote:

>> 33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
>> k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.
> 
> resolution doesn't scale linearly with the number of pixels; with perfect 
> lenses and sensors, it scales with the square root of the number of pixels; 
> then you add the real world factors

IMO, we passed the point a long, long time ago (around 5-10 Mpixel resolution) 
where, assuming a quality sensor, it was anything like a limiting factor in the 
quality of a photograph. 

I am still perfectly happy and confident shooting with my lovely old 2003 
Olympus E-1. 5 glorious Mpixels. Yeah, my other cameras are now all 8 to 18 
Mpixel, but the E-1 still produces beautiful photographs competitive with the 
best of them. 

G
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Re: Peso - the editor

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

LOL! One energetic kitty ... :-)

Godfrey

> On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside capture
> 
> 
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/930944460_kq2VWpr/Medium

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Larry Colen]

Real world factors? You mean like most photographers don't have the skill to be 
limited by the performance of a Holga?

steve harley  wrote:
>on 2013-09-22 11:25 Zos Xavius wrote
>> 33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
>> k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.
>
>resolution doesn't scale linearly with the number of pixels; with
>perfect 
>lenses and sensors, it scales with the square root of the number of
>pixels; 
>then you add the real world factors

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Walt Gilbert]

On 9/22/2013 1:13 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 22/9/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:


I picked up a beat-up old Yamaha acoustic from a friend about a week ago
after I got hooked on playing another friend's Martin while house/dog
sitting.

It's truly a beater, but it sounds good after a new set of strings and
just a touch of work on the nut to get the take out the buzz on the top
E string when played open. And I got it at a price that made rebuilding
the calluses on my fingers seem bearable.

I'll probably be looking for something newer and nicer in the
not-too-distant future. Still, it's not a bad little starter guitar. And
it's in much better condition than the one Willie Nelson plays.

Come on over and I'll get my mando out ;-)

Ha! Believe it or not, you're the second mandolin player to extend a 
jam-session invitation since I got the guitar. The other is an old high 
school classmate.


I've still got a LOT to remember and even more to learn. But it really 
is nice to be playing again. If I ever make it to GFM and you're there, 
I'll have to take you up on that offer.


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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/9/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I picked up a beat-up old Yamaha acoustic from a friend about a week ago 
>after I got hooked on playing another friend's Martin while house/dog 
>sitting.
>
>It's truly a beater, but it sounds good after a new set of strings and 
>just a touch of work on the nut to get the take out the buzz on the top 
>E string when played open. And I got it at a price that made rebuilding 
>the calluses on my fingers seem bearable.
>
>I'll probably be looking for something newer and nicer in the 
>not-too-distant future. Still, it's not a bad little starter guitar. And 
>it's in much better condition than the one Willie Nelson plays.

Come on over and I'll get my mando out ;-)

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[steve harley]

on 2013-09-22 11:25 Zos Xavius wrote

33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.


resolution doesn't scale linearly with the number of pixels; with perfect 
lenses and sensors, it scales with the square root of the number of pixels; 
then you add the real world factors


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Re: PAW193 - Grab

[DagT]

Thanks Dan and Godfrey :-)

DagT

16. sep. 2013 kl. 02:43 skrev Daniel J. Matyola :

> It's a Trap!
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, DagT  wrote:
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
>> Pentax K-5, DA*16-50mm@19mm, 1/60s, f/5.6, ISO400, tripod
>> 
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Zos Xavius  wrote:

> There is a rumor the sensor can move around and the camera can combine
> the resulting shots into a higher MP image as well. 

Like fitting a  570hp AMG Mercedes with an afterburner. 

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Peso - the editor

[Ann Sanfedele]

taken in 2007 - forgive the darkside capture


http://annsan.smugmug.com/The-KItty-Corner/Ashley-helps/12891573_HbZMtd/1/930944460_kq2VWpr/Medium

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
> k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.

Bigger is not always better in my book. My lowly 2.74mp D1 and D1h
produce a nicer, cleaner, sharper photo than my D200 at 12??mp, so
there fore i look at big sensors with some reluctance.

Dave
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html
>>>
>>> It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
>>> source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
>>> shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.
>>
>> Still nothing to get me excited to upgrade from my K-5
>>
>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

 On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  
 wrote:

> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
>
>> Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that 
>> they made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they 
>> marketed a Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice 
>> technology into them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat 
>> better tech and more features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice 
>> cameras, but there was always something off about their ergonomics.
>>
>> Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that 
>> long ago actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went 
>> out of business, (they had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was 
>> worried about getting it back, I did eventually), at their going out of 
>> business sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the model number, it 
>> resembled a Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for 
>> setting manual shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be 
>> pristine condition and the price was certainly right, I was seriously 
>> considering buying it as a body to carry where I didn't want to risk a 
>> LX or MX, when one of the buttons simply fell off.  The salesman who I 
>> knew, (it wasn't a paid liquidator running the sale), said, "That seems 
>> to happen a lot, it just snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.
>>
>> Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember 
>> when, exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when 
>> Yashica stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.
>>
>
>
> I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string 
> brand but it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME 
> Super in a slightly larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it 
> was stolen in the mid 80s but, on the positive side, the theft brought me 
> back to Pentax :-)>
>
> I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  
> They continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before 
> pulling the plug.

 You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
 manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
 right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, 
 which was specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control 
 models. It was/is very successful even today as it is a very large 
 diameter bayonet flange on a relatively short mount register, allowing a 
 smooth conversion to digital capture. Nikon and everyone else without a 
 purpose designed mount flange have struggled a bit.

 Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student 
 photo staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were less 
 expensive than Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the 
 hands of a bunch of high school kids.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Zos Xavius]

There is a rumor the sensor can move around and the camera can combine
the resulting shots into a higher MP image as well. How this works
with APS-C designed lenses with a tight circle I have no idea, but I
guess we shall see if this rumor is correct.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
> k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html
>>>
>>> It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
>>> source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
>>> shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.
>>
>> Still nothing to get me excited to upgrade from my K-5
>>
>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

 On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  
 wrote:

> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
>
>> Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that 
>> they made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they 
>> marketed a Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice 
>> technology into them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat 
>> better tech and more features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice 
>> cameras, but there was always something off about their ergonomics.
>>
>> Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that 
>> long ago actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went 
>> out of business, (they had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was 
>> worried about getting it back, I did eventually), at their going out of 
>> business sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the model number, it 
>> resembled a Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for 
>> setting manual shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be 
>> pristine condition and the price was certainly right, I was seriously 
>> considering buying it as a body to carry where I didn't want to risk a 
>> LX or MX, when one of the buttons simply fell off.  The salesman who I 
>> knew, (it wasn't a paid liquidator running the sale), said, "That seems 
>> to happen a lot, it just snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.
>>
>> Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember 
>> when, exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when 
>> Yashica stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.
>>
>
>
> I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string 
> brand but it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME 
> Super in a slightly larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it 
> was stolen in the mid 80s but, on the positive side, the theft brought me 
> back to Pentax :-)>
>
> I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  
> They continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before 
> pulling the plug.

 You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
 manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
 right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, 
 which was specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control 
 models. It was/is very successful even today as it is a very large 
 diameter bayonet flange on a relatively short mount register, allowing a 
 smooth conversion to digital capture. Nikon and everyone else without a 
 purpose designed mount flange have struggled a bit.

 Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student 
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Zos Xavius]

33% more resolution and no AA filter? That's a big step up from the
k-5 on paper. We shall have to see what noise and DR looks like.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html
>>
>> It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
>> source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
>> shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.
>
> Still nothing to get me excited to upgrade from my K-5
>
> Dave
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>>>
 Quoting "P.J. Alling" :

> Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that 
> they made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they 
> marketed a Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice 
> technology into them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat 
> better tech and more features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice 
> cameras, but there was always something off about their ergonomics.
>
> Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that 
> long ago actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went 
> out of business, (they had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was 
> worried about getting it back, I did eventually), at their going out of 
> business sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the model number, it 
> resembled a Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for 
> setting manual shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be 
> pristine condition and the price was certainly right, I was seriously 
> considering buying it as a body to carry where I didn't want to risk a LX 
> or MX, when one of the buttons simply fell off.  The salesman who I knew, 
> (it wasn't a paid liquidator running the sale), said, "That seems to 
> happen a lot, it just snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.
>
> Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember 
> when, exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when 
> Yashica stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.
>


 I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string 
 brand but it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME 
 Super in a slightly larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it 
 was stolen in the mid 80s but, on the positive side, the theft brought me 
 back to Pentax :-)>

 I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  They 
 continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before pulling 
 the plug.
>>>
>>> You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
>>> manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
>>> right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, which 
>>> was specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control models. 
>>> It was/is very successful even today as it is a very large diameter bayonet 
>>> flange on a relatively short mount register, allowing a smooth conversion 
>>> to digital capture. Nikon and everyone else without a purpose designed 
>>> mount flange have struggled a bit.
>>>
>>> Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student 
>>> photo staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were less 
>>> expensive than Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the 
>>> hands of a bunch of high school kids.
>>>
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Re: PESO -- Another Satisfied Customer.

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Canon shooters should be easy to overcharge.

Make two signs.:-)

Dave
>
> Jack
>
>
> 
> From: P.J. Alling 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:37 AM
> Subject: PESO -- Another Satisfied Customer.
>
>
> Still mining the Polo match photos.
>
> This guy was seemed to be the official event photographer.  He bought
> one of our sandwichs.  I tried to get the cashier to charge him double.
> Oh, well.
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20anothersatisfiedcustomer.html
>
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>
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html
>
> It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
> source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
> shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.

Still nothing to get me excited to upgrade from my K-5

Dave
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
>>>
 Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that 
 they made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they 
 marketed a Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice 
 technology into them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat 
 better tech and more features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice 
 cameras, but there was always something off about their ergonomics.

 Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that 
 long ago actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went 
 out of business, (they had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was worried 
 about getting it back, I did eventually), at their going out of business 
 sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the model number, it resembled a 
 Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for setting manual 
 shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be pristine 
 condition and the price was certainly right, I was seriously considering 
 buying it as a body to carry where I didn't want to risk a LX or MX, when 
 one of the buttons simply fell off.  The salesman who I knew, (it wasn't a 
 paid liquidator running the sale), said, "That seems to happen a lot, it 
 just snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.

 Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember 
 when, exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when 
 Yashica stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.

>>>
>>>
>>> I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string 
>>> brand but it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME 
>>> Super in a slightly larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it 
>>> was stolen in the mid 80s but, on the positive side, the theft brought me 
>>> back to Pentax :-)>
>>>
>>> I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  They 
>>> continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before pulling 
>>> the plug.
>>
>> You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
>> manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
>> right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, which 
>> was specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control models. 
>> It was/is very successful even today as it is a very large diameter bayonet 
>> flange on a relatively short mount register, allowing a smooth conversion to 
>> digital capture. Nikon and everyone else without a purpose designed mount 
>> flange have struggled a bit.
>>
>> Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student 
>> photo staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were less 
>> expensive than Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the 
>> hands of a bunch of high school kids.
>>
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Re: Failure Notices

[steve harley]

on 2013-09-21 18:13 Jack Davis wrote

Lately I've been getting Failure Notices on some of my PDML responses. Anyone 
else?
Hasn't happened in the past.
When this happens, I've been simply forwarding them from my Sent folder and 
they go. Strange!!


the details in those failure messages may be diagnostic; i note you are using 
Yahoo which (among other mail services) has been blacklisted a few times recently




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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Zos Xavius]

Look at some 100% samples from the X-5. I've owned some bridge cameras
and the panny ones were always the best IMO with support for RAW and
great lenses. The X-5 samples look pretty awful full size. Everything
looks like watercolors in a bad way. You could do a whole lot better
for the price. I don't even think Pentax manufactured the X-5 so don't
feel too bad about being unsupportive. The MX-1 on the other hand
looks pretty nice for a compact and arguable better than the Q for a
lot of general shooting. Same sensor size and a really sharp lens.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:04 AM,   wrote:
> I understand all that, but it also allows for  the PUG and annual. Unless
> the rules have changed. ?
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2013 6:57:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> a...@pobox.com writes:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks!, Mark. I've really wondered about the Q.   Seems sort of like
>> Pentax's answer to micro3/4 /compact cameras (well,  I see it  that way).
>
> Yes, it is, but even the Q7 only has 1/1.7"  sensor (same size as the
> P7100/P7800/DMC-LF1 I've been pushing), so you're  limited to about ISO
> 800 for good quality.  And there's no viewfinder,  no articulated display.
> You do gain some low-light performance with the Q's  15-45/2.8 or a
> honking big K-mount lens, but that's also quite a bit larger  than the
> compacts.
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Zos Xavius]

http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2013/09/latest-k-3-technical-details-from-my.html

It sounds like an announcement is right around the corner. Photorumors
source says 20mp. Rice High's source says 24mp. I'm gonna take a wild
shot and bet on 24mp as 20mp is not competitive with the D7100.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>
>> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
>>
>>> Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that they 
>>> made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they marketed a 
>>> Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice technology into 
>>> them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat better tech and more 
>>> features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice cameras, but there was 
>>> always something off about their ergonomics.
>>>
>>> Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that 
>>> long ago actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went 
>>> out of business, (they had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was worried 
>>> about getting it back, I did eventually), at their going out of business 
>>> sale they had a used Ricoh, I forget the model number, it resembled a 
>>> Pentax A3 but included a ME Super style button system for setting manual 
>>> shutter speeds IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be pristine 
>>> condition and the price was certainly right, I was seriously considering 
>>> buying it as a body to carry where I didn't want to risk a LX or MX, when 
>>> one of the buttons simply fell off.  The salesman who I knew, (it wasn't a 
>>> paid liquidator running the sale), said, "That seems to happen a lot, it 
>>> just snaps back on." I decided to take a pass.
>>>
>>> Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember 
>>> when, exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when Yashica 
>>> stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string brand 
>> but it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME Super in 
>> a slightly larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it was stolen 
>> in the mid 80s but, on the positive side, the theft brought me back to 
>> Pentax :-)>
>>
>> I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  They 
>> continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before pulling 
>> the plug.
>
> You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
> manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
> right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, which 
> was specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control models. It 
> was/is very successful even today as it is a very large diameter bayonet 
> flange on a relatively short mount register, allowing a smooth conversion to 
> digital capture. Nikon and everyone else without a purpose designed mount 
> flange have struggled a bit.
>
> Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student 
> photo staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were less expensive 
> than Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the hands of a 
> bunch of high school kids.
>
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

> Quoting "P.J. Alling" :
> 
>> Ricoh used to make a line of second string K mount SLRs, prior to that they 
>> made a line of second string m42 mount SLRs, and apparently they marketed a 
>> Nikon mount SLR, made by Mamiym.  They put some pretty nice technology into 
>> them, often the K mount bodies seemed to have somewhat better tech and more 
>> features than Pentax, and they were pretty nice cameras, but there was 
>> always something off about their ergonomics.
>> 
>> Back when Pentax still had a presence in most Cameras stores, (not that long 
>> ago actually), one of the best local camera stores in the area went out of 
>> business, (they had one of my LXen in for repair, and I was worried about 
>> getting it back, I did eventually), at their going out of business sale they 
>> had a used Ricoh, I forget the model number, it resembled a Pentax A3 but 
>> included a ME Super style button system for setting manual shutter speeds 
>> IIRC.  This particular camera seemed to be pristine condition and the price 
>> was certainly right, I was seriously considering buying it as a body to 
>> carry where I didn't want to risk a LX or MX, when one of the buttons simply 
>> fell off.  The salesman who I knew, (it wasn't a paid liquidator running the 
>> sale), said, "That seems to happen a lot, it just snaps back on." I decided 
>> to take a pass.
>> 
>> Ricoh abandoned the SLR market sometime in the 90's.  I don't remember when, 
>> exactly.  I don't remember any big announcement, such as when Yashica 
>> stopped making cameras, Ricoh just sort of stopped, making SLRs.
>> 
> 
> 
> I had a Ricoh XR-2 in the 1970s/80s.  It may have been a second-string brand 
> but it was an excellent camera - functionally equivalent to the ME Super in a 
> slightly larger body and without the push buttons.  Sadly, it was stolen in 
> the mid 80s but, on the positive side, the theft brought me back to Pentax 
> :-)>
> 
> I think Ricoh decided not to get involved in the SLR autofocus race.  They 
> continued to make a few manual focus SLRs until the mid 90s before pulling 
> the plug.

You're probably right. The conversion to AF SLRs was difficult for most 
manufacturers. Canon was roundly despised by their user base for doing the 
right thing and obsoleting the FL/FD mount in favor of the EOS mount, which was 
specifically designed for the future AF and electronic control models. It 
was/is very successful even today as it is a very large diameter bayonet flange 
on a relatively short mount register, allowing a smooth conversion to digital 
capture. Nikon and everyone else without a purpose designed mount flange have 
struggled a bit. 

Ricoh made an excellent line of SLRs. We used to buy them for the student photo 
staff/camera club when I was in high school as they were less expensive than 
Pentax and seemed to need service much less often in the hands of a bunch of 
high school kids. 

G
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Walt]

Somewhat coincidentally, I've been trying to learn that song on the 
guitar for the past few days.


I picked up a beat-up old Yamaha acoustic from a friend about a week ago 
after I got hooked on playing another friend's Martin while house/dog 
sitting.


It's truly a beater, but it sounds good after a new set of strings and 
just a touch of work on the nut to get the take out the buzz on the top 
E string when played open. And I got it at a price that made rebuilding 
the calluses on my fingers seem bearable.


I'll probably be looking for something newer and nicer in the 
not-too-distant future. Still, it's not a bad little starter guitar. And 
it's in much better condition than the one Willie Nelson plays.


-- Walt

On 9/21/2013 8:01 AM, John wrote:
Apropos nothing Willie Nelson singing "Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain" 
started playing as soon as I began reading this message...


On 9/20/2013 7:27 PM, Tanya Love wrote:

Oh, one other thing - it will likely be  a Ricoh branded camera, with
"Pentax" as the model, much the same way as Canon has "EOS".  If they 
don't

do this in time for the K3, it will be on all future models though.

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin
Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2013 7:16 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...

That is a combination I have thought about Paul. And it would require 
much

less up-front investment than a new camera body or two . . .

stan

On Sep 20, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:


How about this...

Eye-Fi Pro card - set to transfer only JPGs

Shoot RAW+JPG with JPGs set to smallest file size

Let the built-in wi-fi transfer from the card to the iPad.  No need 
for a

card reader and the small JPGs transfer fairly quickly.


Then run the JPGs through Photosmith as planned.

-p

On 9/20/2013 1:58 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:



I have been thinking through "issues" with my workflow when I travel.

Considering how to leave behind my laptop and travel just with iPad. One
quite appealing approach is to shoot jpeg+RAW, download the jpeg's to 
the
iPad, tag and sort on the iPad (Photosmith app), then download the 
RAW files

to main computer back home and synch the metadata. All this is pretty
straightforward if there are two cards: RAW's go to one card, jpeg's 
to the

other.




but Pentax doesn't really need me, they need new customers, so it's
probably most important how it will appeal to people who haven't 
already got

a K-5-level camera





Something else that would interest me: remember tethering? Pentax 
used to

have tethering capability on early DSLR's. Top-end modern cameras have
wireless tethering to iPads or smartphones. It would be nice if 
Pentax were

to rediscover tethering and join that group . . .


stan









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Re: PESO -- Another Satisfied Customer.

[Jack Davis]

Canon shooters should be easy to overcharge. 

Jack



From: P.J. Alling 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List  
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: PESO -- Another Satisfied Customer.


Still mining the Polo match photos.

This guy was seemed to be the official event photographer.  He bought 
one of our sandwichs.  I tried to get the cashier to charge him double.  
Oh, well.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20anothersatisfiedcustomer.html

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PESO -- Another Satisfied Customer.

[P.J. Alling]

Still mining the Polo match photos.

This guy was seemed to be the official event photographer.  He bought 
one of our sandwichs.  I tried to get the cashier to charge him double.  
Oh, well.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20anothersatisfiedcustomer.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

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DXOMark Filmpack Tip.`

[P.J. Alling]

For anyone who's downloaded the "free" 3.0 version and hasn't played 
with it yet.  I've discovered a small glitch.  I created a couple of 
adjustments in Photoshop, then tried to open Filmpack 3 as a filter.  If 
you do this make sure that the active layer is not an adjustment layer 
and actually has image data on it or you'll get an error from Filmpack 3 
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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Eactivist]

I understand all that, but it also allows for  the PUG and annual. Unless 
the rules have changed. ?

Marnie aka Doe :-)  

In a message dated 9/22/2013 6:57:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
a...@pobox.com writes:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
>
> Thanks!, Mark. I've really wondered about the Q.   Seems sort of like 
> Pentax's answer to micro3/4 /compact cameras (well,  I see it  that way). 

Yes, it is, but even the Q7 only has 1/1.7"  sensor (same size as the
P7100/P7800/DMC-LF1 I've been pushing), so you're  limited to about ISO
800 for good quality.  And there's no viewfinder,  no articulated display.
You do gain some low-light performance with the Q's  15-45/2.8 or a
honking big K-mount lens, but that's also quite a bit larger  than the
compacts.  


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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Thanks!, Mark. I've really wondered about the Q.  Seems sort of like 
> Pentax's answer to micro3/4 /compact cameras (well, I see it  that way). 

Yes, it is, but even the Q7 only has 1/1.7" sensor (same size as the
P7100/P7800/DMC-LF1 I've been pushing), so you're limited to about ISO
800 for good quality.  And there's no viewfinder, no articulated display.
You do gain some low-light performance with the Q's 15-45/2.8 or a
honking big K-mount lens, but that's also quite a bit larger than the
compacts.
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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Eactivist]

Thanks!, Mark. I've really wondered about the Q.  Seems sort of like 
Pentax's answer to micro3/4 /compact cameras (well, I see it  that way). 

Nice shots. Especially like the brick reflection in  window.

You've raised my hopes, I will look into it. I wouldn't mind  owning a 
Pentax again. A small Pentax.

Later, Marnie aka Doe :-)   

In a message dated 9/22/2013 6:31:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
pdml-m...@charter.net writes:
I like the Q and expect that I'll like the Q-7  even more, though I have 
no plans on buying one immediately. I travel a lot  for work and the Q is 
a perfect travel kit - the Q,  2 zooms, normal  prime and fisheye fit in 
a case that is about the size of lens case for a  normal 35mm zoom. WHen 
I was in Chicaco a while back I carried a film kit,  but had the entire Q 
kit in one compartment of the bag. Nice to have a 12MP  digital and 
lenses covering the 35mm equivalent of 17 - 280 mm in one little  pack. I 
I want to go all out I carry a small  SLR bag with the whole Q  kit plus 
macro ring light, K-to Q apter and 50mm macro - which gives me an  uber 
macro setup. However - those aforementioned items take up about 2x the  
space of the whole Q system. The camera has its limits but for me that  
advantages outweigh those.

The disadvantages are that the Q with lens  is not completely pocketable 
- jacket pocket, OK, jeans, not so much; the IQ  is high end P&S quality, 
no viewfinder...  The Q7 has improvements  in IQ and autofocus.

Some sample shots  -

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/PentaxQ/

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/blog6.php/PQ/

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2012/09/01/first-shots-with
-pentax-q?blog=9

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2013/03/01/pentax-q-06-tele
photo-zoom?blog=9

On  9/21/2013 1:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> Should have put Q7 also in  subject  line.
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2013 10:01:53 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
> eactiv...@aol.com writes:
> Sort of  narrowing down my choices for my main   camera system.
>
>  But been looking at having a little fixed lens camera  for   travel
> situations (like Disneyland where you don't want to lug   around a big
> camera).
>
> The Pentax X-5 seems a lot of  value for a  little camera. Does  have a
> smaller sensor, but  supposed to take good  pics. If I my back-up camera 
is
> Pentax, I  can get in the PUG now and  then too. Heh.
>
> Anyway, anyone  have  one? Like it?
>
> The Pentax  Q might be an option  too, although I have my  doubts (yes, 
know
> it  takes  interchangeable lenses), but has the X-5 is a little  cheaper.
>  Heck, it's downright cheap.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>  


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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5? or Q7?

[Mark C]

I like the Q and expect that I'll like the Q-7 even more, though I have 
no plans on buying one immediately. I travel a lot for work and the Q is 
a perfect travel kit - the Q,  2 zooms, normal prime and fisheye fit in 
a case that is about the size of lens case for a normal 35mm zoom. WHen 
I was in Chicaco a while back I carried a film kit, but had the entire Q 
kit in one compartment of the bag. Nice to have a 12MP digital and 
lenses covering the 35mm equivalent of 17 - 280 mm in one little pack. I 
I want to go all out I carry a small  SLR bag with the whole Q kit plus 
macro ring light, K-to Q apter and 50mm macro - which gives me an uber 
macro setup. However - those aforementioned items take up about 2x the 
space of the whole Q system. The camera has its limits but for me that 
advantages outweigh those.


The disadvantages are that the Q with lens is not completely pocketable 
- jacket pocket, OK, jeans, not so much; the IQ is high end P&S quality, 
no viewfinder...  The Q7 has improvements in IQ and autofocus.


Some sample shots -

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/PentaxQ/

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/blog6.php/PQ/

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2012/09/01/first-shots-with-pentax-q?blog=9

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2013/03/01/pentax-q-06-telephoto-zoom?blog=9

On 9/21/2013 1:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Should have put Q7 also in subject  line.

In a message dated 9/21/2013 10:01:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
eactiv...@aol.com writes:
Sort of narrowing down my choices for my main   camera system.

But been looking at having a little fixed lens camera  for  travel
situations (like Disneyland where you don't want to lug  around a big
camera).

The Pentax X-5 seems a lot of value for a  little camera. Does  have a
smaller sensor, but supposed to take good  pics. If I my back-up camera is
Pentax, I can get in the PUG now and  then too. Heh.

Anyway, anyone have  one? Like it?

The Pentax  Q might be an option too, although I have my  doubts (yes, know
it  takes interchangeable lenses), but has the X-5 is a little  cheaper.
Heck, it's downright cheap.

Marnie aka Doe :-)





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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5?

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM,   wrote:
> Sort of narrowing down my choices for my main  camera system.
>
> But been looking at having a little fixed lens camera for  travel
> situations (like Disneyland where you don't want to lug around a big  camera).

My 6x7 is sitting unused if you want to try that one out.:-)

Dave
>
> The Pentax X-5 seems a lot of value for a little camera. Does  have a
> smaller sensor, but supposed to take good pics. If I my back-up camera is
> Pentax, I can get in the PUG now and then too. Heh.
>
> Anyway, anyone have  one? Like it?
>
> The Pentax Q might be an option too, although I have my  doubts (yes, know
> it takes interchangeable lenses), but has the X-5 is a little  cheaper.
> Heck, it's downright cheap.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>
>
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Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5?

[Alan C]

For what it's worth, my daughter has an S2980 & my wife an S4080. They 
function well & have excellent zoom capabilities + movie mode.


Alan

-Original Message- 
From: eactiv...@aol.com

Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:34 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Anyone have the Pentax X-5?

I mentioned Disneyland in particular. That is not a place you want a heavy
camera, going on rides, et. all.

For the Southwest, for sure, I'd want a  DSLR or something good.

HTH, Have a Nice Day! Marnie aka Doe ;-)

I think one of the Fujifilm Fine Pixs will work great as a little travel
camera. Decision made.

In a message dated 9/21/2013 3:29:01 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org writes:

That makes some sort of  sense. I've never understood why people want
a POS, ops, sorry,  P&S as a travel camera. When I go somewhere
interesting I  want to take my best camera.



I agree - especially if I'm going some  place that I'm unlikely to
return to.  Carting my K-5, backup  K200D and a few lenses around the
USA became tedious but I don't  regret it.


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