Re: Wagtail shops crop horror

2013-11-04 Thread Bob W
Thanks. Yes, it was very obediently behaving exactly as prescribed in the bird 
guides.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Grey_Wagtail

As for Mike's comment about velociraptors, I should very much like to see one 
at Canary Wharf, but that would probably involve going onto one of the offices 
during working hours, and I'd be unlikely to live to tell the tale.

B


 On 3 Nov 2013, at 22:21, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Nice to see - pretty tame little guy (given what lens you said you had)
 
 ann
 
 On 11/3/2013 16:30, Bob W wrote:
 While I was foraging for my lunch in the wilds of Canary Wharf today I
 noticed this jolly little creature doing likewise:
 
 http://www.web-options.com/Wagtail/
 
 The pictures are massively cropped - I took them from quite a distance with
 my Fuji X100, which has a 23mm lens. Not bad, considering.
 
 A lovely little bird and a pleasure to watch.
 
 B
 
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test

2013-11-04 Thread Attila Boros
PING 1383555316

Is this thing on?

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Re: test

2013-11-04 Thread Larry Colen
Nope

Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
PING 1383555316

Is this thing on?

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Re: test

2013-11-04 Thread Attila Boros
Thanks Larry, you may turn off the lights then:)


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 Nope


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K-3 mirror/shutter sound

2013-11-04 Thread Dario Bonazza
Hi all, this is a question to anybody owning a K-5 (or K-5II/K-5IIs) and the 
new K-3. How do new and older cameras compare about their shooting sound? 
From those online videos floating around I have a bad feeling of a sharper 
and more metallic click of the K-3 (sort of K20D-ish) as opposed to the 
softer, well-damped sound of the K-5 series. Is that true or were they just 
distorced sound recordings in online videos?
That's a very critical issue for the kind of shooting I usually do (theater 
and such) and could be decisive for a possible purchase on my side.
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Re: K-3 mirror/shutter sound

2013-11-04 Thread Dario Bonazza

Well, here is Imaging resource's take on that:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/pentax-k3/zk3aafilter1-20sec_raw.mp3
Where it does non sound as bad as I was afraid.
Dario

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Subject: K-3 mirror/shutter sound

Hi all, this is a question to anybody owning a K-5 (or K-5II/K-5IIs) and the
new K-3. How do new and older cameras compare about their shooting sound?

From those online videos floating around I have a bad feeling of a sharper

and more metallic click of the K-3 (sort of K20D-ish) as opposed to the
softer, well-damped sound of the K-5 series. Is that true or were they just
distorced sound recordings in online videos?
That's a very critical issue for the kind of shooting I usually do (theater
and such) and could be decisive for a possible purchase on my side.
Thanks a lot, Dario


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Re: On internet forums in our life

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Trying to create buzz on the internet around your brand is established
marketing practice.
Gorilla Marketing vs Guerilla Marketing...
Regards,  Bob S.

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 There is a reason that company representatives are viewed with
 skepticism on forums and why shills are treated with such contempt.

 It's doubtful that forum interaction by company reps would even be
 beneficial for them.  It's far more efficient to schmooze with
 industry pundits and PR flacks.

 On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 It would seem to me that at the end, what is written on the internet forums
 is in fact very important part of my routine as far as things discussed on
 the net go. Of course I wouldn't want to spend my time reading reviews of
 running shoes - I'd just go and choose a pair.

 However, it would seem that any serious company, even one such a Pentax,
 should be aware about its internet presence. Further, I think, in fact I'm
 pretty much sure, that their marketing department has people who frequent
 these forums and who may even try to influence the public opinion though
 these forums.

 I wonder what do you think on this matter.

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Re: PESO - Yosemite Valley I

2013-11-04 Thread Darren Addy
It is a bit over-processed looking for my taste, but I love the
subject,  composition, light, etc. If it were a bit more
photo-realistically I would say it  was one of the best images of the
year. It also looks like it has potential to be very Ansel Adam-ish if
rendered as a monochrome. Any interest in trying that?

On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Did you HDR?




 On 11/3/2013 7:12 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/yosemite-valley-i.html

 There'll be a few more from Yosemite down the line, as I get around to
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Re: PESO - Yosemite Valley I

2013-11-04 Thread Darren Addy
correction: photo-realistically RENDERED

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is a bit over-processed looking for my taste, but I love the
 subject,  composition, light, etc. If it were a bit more
 photo-realistically I would say it  was one of the best images of the
 year. It also looks like it has potential to be very Ansel Adam-ish if
 rendered as a monochrome. Any interest in trying that?

 On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Did you HDR?




 On 11/3/2013 7:12 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/yosemite-valley-i.html

 There'll be a few more from Yosemite down the line, as I get around to
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PESO - Working High

2013-11-04 Thread George Sinos
Some guys have all the fun.

I took this photo a few years ago with an old OptioMX.  I carried that
little camera around for a couple of years.  It was always in my car
or my computer bag.  Other than the tiny LCD, I really liked the
design.

http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/11/4/working-high

gs

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Re: November PUG is UP!

2013-11-04 Thread Darren Addy
A very nice gallery. (I've forgotten the theme, but I suppose it was
something to do with architecture?)

I really liked Ann's Manhattan Minimalism and Rick's Sacred and
Profane, as well as Don's The Library (Wow, this is REAL? It looks
like something from a movie set designer's imagination!). Also liked
Ken's Taos. Well done, all.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 aww
 good memory, Ken!

 ann


 On 11/3/2013 19:53, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

 Thanks ANN. I thought of you when I submitted it.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
 Subject: Re: November PUG is UP!


 Thanks Bulent!

 I really like Don's library  too..
 along with Ken's shot in Taos (architecture I'm very familiar with)

 The night shot of Singapore and the other of the Liverpool Cathedral
 (by two different Erics) stood out as new and interesting views to me.

 But a nice collection overall

 ann


 On 11/3/2013 12:34, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 My favorites:

 Manhatan Minimalism by Ann Sanfedele,
 The Library by Don Guthrie and
 Millenium Science Complex by Matthew Hunt.

 There few a few others that looked pleasing.

 Thanks to all contributors.

 Bulent
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 http://celasun.wordpress.com/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
 http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun


 2013/11/3 Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org:

 G'day all

 Another fine gallery and one of the largest this year.

 I like them all but Ken's 'Taos' is my favourite.  I like its
 simplicity and
 the combination of curves and straight lines - also, it brings back
 pleasant
 memories (I was there not long ago...)

 As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/

 (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery
 there).

 Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
 infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
 gallery, let me know.

 +

 Coming up for December is 'Chaos' - should be a piece of cake!

 Submit here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

 Submission Guidelines here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

 The main requirements are:
 * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
 * Max file size: 300k
 * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera
 body or
 lens used is Pentax.
 * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
 ensure that
 the image is displayed correctly on line.
 * Nominal closing date: 30 September.

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 Cheers

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Re: PESO - Yosemite Valley I

2013-11-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like it very Josteinish:-) Why be imitative?

Paul via phone

 On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is a bit over-processed looking for my taste, but I love the
 subject,  composition, light, etc. If it were a bit more
 photo-realistically I would say it  was one of the best images of the
 year. It also looks like it has potential to be very Ansel Adam-ish if
 rendered as a monochrome. Any interest in trying that?
 
 On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Did you HDR?
 
 
 
 
 On 11/3/2013 7:12 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
 
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/yosemite-valley-i.html
 
 There'll be a few more from Yosemite down the line, as I get around to
 processing.
 
 Jostein
 
 
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Re: PESO - Working High

2013-11-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
An interesting photo. Like it. 

Godfrey


 On Nov 4, 2013, at 6:23 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I took this photo a few years ago with an old OptioMX.  I carried that
 little camera around for a couple of years.  It was always in my car
 or my computer bag.  Other than the tiny LCD, I really liked the
 design.
 
 http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/11/4/working-high

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xkcd

2013-11-04 Thread Mark Roberts
http://xkcd.com/1286

As usual, reading the mouseover text is mandatory :)
 
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Re: PESO - Working High

2013-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
One of my favorites of yours, George! Great lighting choice!
 
Jack
 


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Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 6:23 AM
Subject: PESO - Working High

Some guys have all the fun.

I took this photo a few years ago with an old OptioMX.  I carried that
little camera around for a couple of years.  It was always in my car
or my computer bag.  Other than the tiny LCD, I really liked the
design.

http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/11/4/working-high

gs

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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread John

On 11/3/2013 7:17 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

But for a surprising number of lenses, the cost of replacing the front
element is less than the cost of a mediocre filter, so don't worry about
it.


For older lenses, front elements may now longer be available. Then what?



Then, you have to decide for yourself whether it needs protecting  how 
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Re: Wagtail shops crop horror

2013-11-04 Thread John

Maybe later. Firefox can't find the server right now.

On 11/3/2013 4:30 PM, Bob W wrote:

While I was foraging for my lunch in the wilds of Canary Wharf today I
noticed this jolly little creature doing likewise:

http://www.web-options.com/Wagtail/

The pictures are massively cropped - I took them from quite a distance with
my Fuji X100, which has a 23mm lens. Not bad, considering.

A lovely little bird and a pleasure to watch.

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Re: full frame??

2013-11-04 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 4/11/13, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty, can't you just recall that the obligation of yours was time 
limited by 2010. We're well in the second decade of the so called twenty 
first century :-).

I don't recall the time limit - but am happy to go along with consensus :)

It would be a pity if, by the time a premium 36X24 sensor camera is
released, one would be hard pressed to actually find the word 'Pentax'
on it...

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Re: GESO 2013 - 116 to 127 - GDG

2013-11-04 Thread Steve Cottrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/10656219874/lightbox

Really like this

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Re: Fall color 2013

2013-11-04 Thread Don Guthrie


Bob, thanks for taking time to look. Glad you saw  couple you liked. I 
know it seemed like a vacation slideshow. Sorry.


Message: 7
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 16:36:19 -0500
From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: Fall color 2013

Don,
There are some good images in there, but 66 is to many!!!
Show us the best 8-10, in your opinion.
Regards,  Bob S.


Thanks Attila for your comments. I hope you took that walk

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:39:35 +0200
From: Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com

This year you had a very productive fall, lots of colorful images. I
would pick 3:

http://donspix.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Seasons/In-The-Fall32937524_w6833x#!i=2854133502k=5DmgrpW
Nice and clean composition with a lovely bokeh.

http://donspix.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Seasons/In-The-Fall/32937524_w6833x#!i=2854129608k=3c99Gtj
This just tells me I need to drag my butt out and take a walk before
fall is over:)

http://donspix.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Seasons/In-The-Fall/32937524_w6833x#!i=2871599674k=WvQXJC9
Nice misty atmosphere.

_

Brian, Yes sorry for the overload but thanks for taking time to pick out 
a couple you like. #2 was taken in the manner you surmised. I think the 
white fence was a concrete road but you are right it is too bright . I 
will go back  darken that a little.


From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Fall color 2013

 http://donspix.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Seasons/In-The-Fall/32937524_w6833x

I agree with Bob - really need to see a more concise set.

I like the idea in No 2 - presumably vertical movement of the camera
during exposure - although the white fence is distracting.

No. 62 is appealing as well.


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Thanks Chris, Fog  Fall go together well.

Message: 10
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 08:05:59 +
From: Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net
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Subject: Re: Fall color 2013

Some excellent shots. I particularly like the misty ones, 61 and 62
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Re: GESO: Sunset in Akaroa

2013-11-04 Thread Don Guthrie

Nice, I believe #2 is my favorite.

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:49:05 +1300
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Subject: GESO: Sunset in Akaroa
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When we stayed in Akaroa we had a nice sunset.  Here are 11 photos of it.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/46/#geso

My server has been playing up a bit today so I apologise if you have problems 
(please let me know if you do).

Comments welcome, as always.

Cheers,
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First impressions

2013-11-04 Thread Stan Halpin
The K-3 looks like the various pictures of it that you have all seen.
The K-3 looks very much like the K-5/K-5ii/K-5iis, with the exception of the 
few obvious changes in button location, the infamous headphone connector bulge, 
etc. It is different but in very subtle ways. The RRS L-bracket for the K-5 
fits, but not quite exactly. I haven't tried the Kirk standard bracket yet.
The changes in button design and location are all good IMHO.
A few quirks/changes in standard functions. E.g., when Reviewing an image, the 
Up and Down arrow buttons are used to change the display rather than repeated 
presses on the Info button. No big deal, just a minor difference.

Reports on whether it actually takes decent images will need to wait until 
after I do some raking and bagging of leaves on the lawn. 

The AF540FGZ II is very nearly the exact size as my AF360FGZ (which I believe 
was smaller than the AF540FGZ).
The AF540FGZ II control panel is laid out quite differently from the AF360FGZ. 
A glance at the manual however leads me to believe that while the UI has 
changed, nothing has changed in the basic functionality.
The manual is both English and Japanese and is thus twice the size it would 
need to be for one language. 

I suspect it is going to take some study and experimentation before I get 
comfortable with this unit. It was only recently that I started using my 
AF360FGZ and am still a novice with flash, particularly off-camera wireless 
flash. We'll see if I can integrate the two units together . . .

And now to tackle those wonderful fall-color leaves that are burying my yard.

stan
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Re: xkcd

2013-11-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 10:44:55AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
 http://xkcd.com/1286
 
 As usual, reading the mouseover text is mandatory :)

explain xkcd is pretty interesting today, including the discussion
http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

  
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Pentax webstores in Europe

2013-11-04 Thread Attila Boros
Might be of interest to some members:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.eu/en/stores.html

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Re: full frame??

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/4/2013 6:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

I don't recall the time limit - but am happy to go along with consensus :)

It would be a pity if, by the time a premium 36X24 sensor camera is
released, one would be hard pressed to actually find the word 'Pentax'
on it...


That would be another legit escape path if you ask my opinion...

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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/4/2013 8:41 AM, John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 09:15:51PM -0800, Aahz Maruch wrote:


Pieces of seven!  Pieces of seven!  Parroty error!


Actually, seven has the same 'parroty' as eight.

You might want to try Pieces of nine! instead;
it's just as good as the original, and keeps the geeks quiet.



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Re: First impressions

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Congratulations, Stan. It would seem that you're among the earliest 
adopters...


On 11/4/2013 7:33 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

The K-3 looks like the various pictures of it that you have all seen.
The K-3 looks very much like the K-5/K-5ii/K-5iis, with the exception of the 
few obvious changes in button location, the infamous headphone connector bulge, 
etc. It is different but in very subtle ways. The RRS L-bracket for the K-5 
fits, but not quite exactly. I haven't tried the Kirk standard bracket yet.
The changes in button design and location are all good IMHO.
A few quirks/changes in standard functions. E.g., when Reviewing an image, the 
Up and Down arrow buttons are used to change the display rather than repeated 
presses on the Info button. No big deal, just a minor difference.

Reports on whether it actually takes decent images will need to wait until 
after I do some raking and bagging of leaves on the lawn.

The AF540FGZ II is very nearly the exact size as my AF360FGZ (which I believe 
was smaller than the AF540FGZ).
The AF540FGZ II control panel is laid out quite differently from the AF360FGZ. 
A glance at the manual however leads me to believe that while the UI has 
changed, nothing has changed in the basic functionality.
The manual is both English and Japanese and is thus twice the size it would 
need to be for one language.

I suspect it is going to take some study and experimentation before I get 
comfortable with this unit. It was only recently that I started using my 
AF360FGZ and am still a novice with flash, particularly off-camera wireless 
flash. We'll see if I can integrate the two units together . . .

And now to tackle those wonderful fall-color leaves that are burying my yard.

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Re: On internet forums in our life

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman
David, who said that you would announce yourself as being 
Pentax/Nikon/Sony/Canon/etc representative???


On 11/4/2013 7:17 AM, David Parsons wrote:

There is a reason that company representatives are viewed with
skepticism on forums and why shills are treated with such contempt.

It's doubtful that forum interaction by company reps would even be
beneficial for them.  It's far more efficient to schmooze with
industry pundits and PR flacks.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:


It would seem to me that at the end, what is written on the internet forums
is in fact very important part of my routine as far as things discussed on
the net go. Of course I wouldn't want to spend my time reading reviews of
running shoes - I'd just go and choose a pair.

However, it would seem that any serious company, even one such a Pentax,
should be aware about its internet presence. Further, I think, in fact I'm
pretty much sure, that their marketing department has people who frequent
these forums and who may even try to influence the public opinion though
these forums.

I wonder what do you think on this matter.

Boris

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Re: On internet forums in our life

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman
It would seem that ever so gentle public manipulations against the 
competing brands is rapidly becoming an even more established practice.


On 11/4/2013 3:43 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Trying to create buzz on the internet around your brand is established
marketing practice.
Gorilla Marketing vs Guerilla Marketing...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:17 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:

There is a reason that company representatives are viewed with
skepticism on forums and why shills are treated with such contempt.

It's doubtful that forum interaction by company reps would even be
beneficial for them.  It's far more efficient to schmooze with
industry pundits and PR flacks.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:


It would seem to me that at the end, what is written on the internet forums
is in fact very important part of my routine as far as things discussed on
the net go. Of course I wouldn't want to spend my time reading reviews of
running shoes - I'd just go and choose a pair.

However, it would seem that any serious company, even one such a Pentax,
should be aware about its internet presence. Further, I think, in fact I'm
pretty much sure, that their marketing department has people who frequent
these forums and who may even try to influence the public opinion though
these forums.

I wonder what do you think on this matter.

Boris

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PESO Yellow Rain

2013-11-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
The maple leaves were coming down like golden rain this morning. I snapped a 
pic with my iPhone5.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17586718size=lg
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Re: xkcd

2013-11-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote:

On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 10:44:55AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
 http://xkcd.com/1286
 
 As usual, reading the mouseover text is mandatory :)

explain xkcd is pretty interesting today, including the discussion
http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Really fascinating program on computer passwords on BBC 4 radio right
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Epson Perfection v500 and OSX Mavericks

2013-11-04 Thread Charles Robinson
There is software available at Epson for the v500 Perfection Photo scanner 
which purports to be what you need for OSX Mavericks

I will test and confirm.. fingers crossed!


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Re: November PUG is UP!

2013-11-04 Thread kwaller

Also liked Ken's Taos. Well done, all.


Thanks Darren, I appreciate the comment.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: November PUG is UP!



A very nice gallery. (I've forgotten the theme, but I suppose it was
something to do with architecture?)

I really liked Ann's Manhattan Minimalism and Rick's Sacred and
Profane, as well as Don's The Library (Wow, this is REAL? It looks
like something from a movie set designer's imagination!). Also liked
Ken's Taos. Well done, all.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

aww
good memory, Ken!

ann


On 11/3/2013 19:53, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:


Thanks ANN. I thought of you when I submitted it.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
Subject: Re: November PUG is UP!



Thanks Bulent!

I really like Don's library  too..
along with Ken's shot in Taos (architecture I'm very familiar with)

The night shot of Singapore and the other of the Liverpool Cathedral
(by two different Erics) stood out as new and interesting views to me.

But a nice collection overall

ann


On 11/3/2013 12:34, Bulent Celasun wrote:


My favorites:

Manhatan Minimalism by Ann Sanfedele,
The Library by Don Guthrie and
Millenium Science Complex by Matthew Hunt.

There few a few others that looked pleasing.

Thanks to all contributors.

Bulent
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2013/11/3 Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org:


G'day all

Another fine gallery and one of the largest this year.

I like them all but Ken's 'Taos' is my favourite.  I like its
simplicity and
the combination of curves and straight lines - also, it brings back
pleasant
memories (I was there not long ago...)

As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's 
not

infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Coming up for December is 'Chaos' - should be a piece of cake!

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera
body or
lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
ensure that
the image is displayed correctly on line.
* Nominal closing date: 30 September.

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Re: November PUG is UP!

2013-11-04 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:45:38 +0200 Attila Boros wrote:

Lots of good photos there.

Agree, as usual on the PUG :)

I like Dutch Architecture, with a nice Dutch field of flowers in the
foreground. The colors work very well together.

Thanks Attila, appreciate the kind words!

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San Diego PDML?

2013-11-04 Thread Richard Womer
I know that the notice is short, but…

I'll be in San Diego later this week for a meeting, and have Wednesday 
afternoon open (air travel willing).  It would be fun to meet another PDMLer 
for lunch and/or some walking and shooting.  I'll be at the Westin Gaslamp.

I'd also welcome some wandering/shooting suggestions.

Cheers,

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PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Actually a GESO, blogpost with six images.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-rim-fire.html

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SV: PESO - Red-tailed Hawk

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

I'm impressed you can tell from the web resolution!
I consulted a field handbook, but it wasn't specific to sex differences. 
Thanks Jack!


Jostein

-Opprinnelig melding- 
Fra: Jack Davis

Dato: 4. november 2013 01:21
Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Emne: Re: PESO - Red-tailed Hawk

Yeah, Jostein and it's a female. It, also, makes the picture.

Jack


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Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 3:23 PM
Subject: PESO - Red-tailed Hawk

At least I hope I got the species right... :-)

It is perched on a tree that was burned in a previous fire, not this year's
Rim Fire.

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/red-tailed-hawk.html

Jostein


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SV: PESO - Yosemite Valley I

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

We have different tastes, Darren. :-)
OTOH, I'm processing this on an old laptop with a wonky screen. Calibrated 
but still crap. I've already been thinking I might have to redo some of the 
more challenging renderings.


On a different note, you should know that the world at large was in 
monochrome until Technicolor was invented. After that, only the luddites 
looked back. :-)


Jostein


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Dato: 4. november 2013 15:16
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It is a bit over-processed looking for my taste, but I love the
subject,  composition, light, etc. If it were a bit more
photo-realistically I would say it  was one of the best images of the
year. It also looks like it has potential to be very Ansel Adam-ish if
rendered as a monochrome. Any interest in trying that?

On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

Did you HDR?




On 11/3/2013 7:12 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:


http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/yosemite-valley-i.html

There'll be a few more from Yosemite down the line, as I get around to
processing.

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SV: PESO - Yosemite Valley I

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Thanks Paul! :-)

And to Boris and Jack; yes it is HDR. I happen to think it is a much more 
flexible tool than those quaint filters with a straight horizontal gradient 
across. I used to apply graded grays alot in the Film days, but not anymore.


Jostein

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Dato: 4. november 2013 15:29
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I like it very Josteinish:-) Why be imitative?

Paul via phone


On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

It is a bit over-processed looking for my taste, but I love the
subject,  composition, light, etc. If it were a bit more
photo-realistically I would say it  was one of the best images of the
year. It also looks like it has potential to be very Ansel Adam-ish if
rendered as a monochrome. Any interest in trying that?

On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Did you HDR?





On 11/3/2013 7:12 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/yosemite-valley-i.html

There'll be a few more from Yosemite down the line, as I get around to
processing.

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SV: PESO - Yosemite Valley I

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Deliberately monkeying shots I've seen by others here... :-)

Jostein

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Dato: 4. november 2013 05:48
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On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no 
wrote:



http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/yosemite-valley-i.html

There'll be a few more from Yosemite down the line, as I get around to 
processing.


A lovely photo.
You chose an interesting rendering … very romantic.

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SV: PESO - Yosemite Valley I

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Thanks Ann,
And Chris, Attila, Larry, Paul, Jack, Ken, Godfrey, Steve, Boris and Darren 
for commenting. Much appreciated.


Jostein

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Dato: 3. november 2013 20:23
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Wow!
Just yummy!

ann

On 11/3/2013 12:12, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/yosemite-valley-i.html

There'll be a few more from Yosemite down the line, as I get around to
processing.

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GESO, new toy

2013-11-04 Thread Larry Colen
The pictures are crap, but the subject of them has been bringing 
me smiles since I got it last night:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157637291417553/

My neighbor's daughter bought it, and it was immaculate.
Six days later she put it up on it's side.  I sold them
a couple doors to get it back on the road.  She invested in 
hard top, roll bar, soft top with glass window, wheels, tires,
brakes ...

My neighbor called me about a week ago asking if I knew
anybody that would be interested in it for $2900. 
If it hadn't been wrecked it would be worth twice that.

Now we need to sell the beat up honda civic while it will
still pass smog.

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Re: PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Really nice set of Rim fire after effects. I envy your physical ability to 
cover such an area.
Especially like Torched II.
I was putting you on (kidding) with my female Red-tail comment. The lens 
resolution wasn't quite there.;-))
 
Jack 


 

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Actually a GESO, blogpost with six images.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-rim-fire.html

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Re: 11 pages of K-3 images

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 03/11/2013 9:01 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Don't know what you're looking at. The ISO 51,200 image of a night skyline on 
page 7 is presentable. The ISO 3200 version of the same shot shows little 
noise. The ISO 1600 BW street scene on page 2 is noise free. All very 
encouraging. Of course noise levels are highly dependent on rendering 
technique, so any final determination of how it compares to my K-5 will have to 
wait until I can use the camera.


Lets also not forget that downsampling the 24mp image to 16mp tends to 
reduce apparent noise as well. I'm going through work hell for the next 
couple of days, but perhaps I'll do a comparison between the K5 and K3 
at higher ISO just for giggles.


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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 03/11/2013 11:11 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 11/3/2013 9:42 PM, Bob W wrote:

My claim, and my years of experience back this up, is that for normal
purposes nobody will be able to see the degradation without the type
of equipment needed for conducting formal tests. Ergo for all intents
and purposes, it does not exist and the filter does no harm. Nobody,
in the 40 or so years I've been taking pictures, has ever looked at
one of my photos and pointed out an image quality problem
attributable to using a clear filter (other than internal
reflections. Once), and I suspect it has never happened to anyone
else either.


I couldn't agree more.



My A*600/6.6 came with a great big Tamron UV filter on it, which 
considering how much I paid for the bloody lens, I decided to leave on. 
I couldn't get a sharp image out of that lens no matter how hard I tried.
I wrote it off to having insufficient tripod and head, though I was 
using it on a Zone VI wood tripod and whatever the big Zone VI head is 
(some sort of rebadged Manfrotto). Eventually I twigged to the 
possibility the filter was causing the problem so I removed it, and 
viola! instant sharpness.
My wife has a little statuette of a Rottweiler puppy that now uses the 
122mm Tamron filter as a display base.


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Boris' Thread

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 03/11/2013 10:53 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

However
I think I should be starting my own thread now.


My gift to you, my dear friend

Let me present you with a thread to call your own.

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Re: K-3 mirror/shutter sound

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 04/11/2013 4:50 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

Hi all, this is a question to anybody owning a K-5 (or K-5II/K-5IIs) and
the new K-3. How do new and older cameras compare about their shooting
sound? From those online videos floating around I have a bad feeling of
a sharper and more metallic click of the K-3 (sort of K20D-ish) as
opposed to the softer, well-damped sound of the K-5 series. Is that true
or were they just distorced sound recordings in online videos?
That's a very critical issue for the kind of shooting I usually do
(theater and such) and could be decisive for a possible purchase on my
side.
Thanks a lot, Dario


It's really quiet. My X-Pro1 is louder.

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Re: 11 pages of K-3 images

2013-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Link...


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Subject: Re: 11 pages of K-3 images

On 03/11/2013 9:01 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Don't know what you're looking at. The ISO 51,200 image of a night skyline on 
 page 7 is presentable. The ISO 3200 version of the same shot shows little 
 noise. The ISO 1600 BW street scene on page 2 is noise free. All very 
 encouraging. Of course noise levels are highly dependent on rendering 
 technique, so any final determination of how it compares to my K-5 will have 
 to wait until I can use the camera.


Lets also not forget that downsampling the 24mp image to 16mp tends to 
reduce apparent noise as well. I'm going through work hell for the next 
couple of days, but perhaps I'll do a comparison between the K5 and K3 
at higher ISO just for giggles.

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SV: PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Thanks Jack.

Here's a 1:1 crop of the same boid.
Is it possible to confirm species based on this?
http://tinyurl.com/RedTailHawk4Jack

Jostein

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Fra: Jack Davis

Dato: 4. november 2013 23:33
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Emne: Re: PESO - The Rim Fire

Really nice set of Rim fire after effects. I envy your physical ability to 
cover such an area.

Especially like Torched II.
I was putting you on (kidding) with my female Red-tail comment. The lens 
resolution wasn't quite there.;-))


Jack




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Actually a GESO, blogpost with six images.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-rim-fire.html

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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Rob Studdert
My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in there,
will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)


On 4 November 2013 11:29,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Interestingly, along a similar lines, my 600 (and other Pentax lenses with
 drop in filters) requires a filter in place for optimum performance although
 I've never tested to see effects without a filter.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
 Subject: Re: Filters?



 Yup he lists exactly the situation I said you would see effects in. Other
 than that has any one actually done any side by side testing to see if they
 see any differences? Or is it just more fun to argue without being hampered
 by facts?

 And I mean test with one filter, not ten stacked up.

 Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 Here's the article I was referring to earlier:

 http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-feb-05.shtml



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Re: K-3 mirror/shutter sound

2013-11-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 November 2013 09:50, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's really quiet. My X-Pro1 is louder.

Excellent, I'm often surprised by the apparent loudness of the
shutters of the Nikon/Canon cameras that I find myself shooting
beside.


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SV: PESO - Working High

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Glad it wasn't me. Especially not the guy leaning over the edge on the roof.

Nice composition. Very telling for the story!

Jostein

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Fra: George Sinos

Dato: 4. november 2013 15:23
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Emne: PESO - Working High

Some guys have all the fun.

I took this photo a few years ago with an old OptioMX.  I carried that
little camera around for a couple of years.  It was always in my car
or my computer bag.  Other than the tiny LCD, I really liked the
design.

http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/11/4/working-high

gs

George Sinos

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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Bruce Walker
Guaranteed, if it's a Kenny Boy brand filter. Choose the Awesome model
for best results.


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in there,
 will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)


 On 4 November 2013 11:29,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Interestingly, along a similar lines, my 600 (and other Pentax lenses with
 drop in filters) requires a filter in place for optimum performance although
 I've never tested to see effects without a filter.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
 Subject: Re: Filters?



 Yup he lists exactly the situation I said you would see effects in. Other
 than that has any one actually done any side by side testing to see if they
 see any differences? Or is it just more fun to argue without being hampered
 by facts?

 And I mean test with one filter, not ten stacked up.

 Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 Here's the article I was referring to earlier:

 http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-feb-05.shtml



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Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne


I just had an hour's visit to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop. 
http://www.mountainlight.com


To those of you unfamiliar with it, it's the official gallery of 
photographer Galen Rowell. Rowell has been one of my heroes for more than 
twenty years. More so than Ansel Adams, for example. It was great to have 
the opportunity to see some of his work printed large and hung on walls.


It was also interesting to see so many of his shots hung together. He was 
very much a colour photographer, often accused of practicing velvia 
aesthetics. While I usually fail to understand why that is a derogatory 
term, I did become a bit overwhelmed after perusing the fifth wall of 
prints.


Then I stumbled upon one of his books My Tibet, for which the Dalai Lama 
had provided the text. It had a bundle of those typical colour photos I know 
him for, including the iconic picture of the rainbow coming down on the 
Palace in Lhasa (P19 on this page: http://mountainlight.com/posters.html ). 
What dominated the book, however, were pictures of people. More subtly 
rendered, but with a lot of impact.


Are some of you folks familiar with this book? What are your thoughts about 
it?


I'd like to hear your opinions about Galen Rowell in general too, of course.

Right now I'm wondering whether I'll be able to fit the book into my luggage 
for the return flight. That seems to be the only thing stopping me from 
buying it at the moment; along with a retrospective book that's fairly new. 
:-)


Jostein 



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PESO - Lady of the Lake

2013-11-04 Thread Bruce Walker
My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C
down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have
qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus
flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few
sharp ones.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/

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Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake

2013-11-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Beautiful.

Paul via phone

 On Nov 4, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C
 down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have
 qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus
 flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few
 sharp ones.
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/
 
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Re: SV: PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Wow, that actually is pretty good resolution. From the chest markings, my guess 
is that it's a Red-shoulder hawk. But?
What camera?
 
Jack


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Subject: SV: PESO - The Rim Fire

Thanks Jack.

Here's a 1:1 crop of the same boid.
Is it possible to confirm species based on this?
http://tinyurl.com/RedTailHawk4Jack

Jostein

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Fra: Jack Davis
Dato: 4. november 2013 23:33
Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Emne: Re: PESO - The Rim Fire

Really nice set of Rim fire after effects. I envy your physical ability to 
cover such an area.
Especially like Torched II.
I was putting you on (kidding) with my female Red-tail comment. The lens 
resolution wasn't quite there.;-))

Jack




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Subject: PESO - The Rim Fire

Actually a GESO, blogpost with six images.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-rim-fire.html

Jostein


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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread kwaller

Does your 600 have a drop in filter. If so is the filter in place?

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Filters?



On 03/11/2013 11:11 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 11/3/2013 9:42 PM, Bob W wrote:

My claim, and my years of experience back this up, is that for normal
purposes nobody will be able to see the degradation without the type
of equipment needed for conducting formal tests. Ergo for all intents
and purposes, it does not exist and the filter does no harm. Nobody,
in the 40 or so years I've been taking pictures, has ever looked at
one of my photos and pointed out an image quality problem
attributable to using a clear filter (other than internal
reflections. Once), and I suspect it has never happened to anyone
else either.


I couldn't agree more.



My A*600/6.6 came with a great big Tamron UV filter on it, which 
considering how much I paid for the bloody lens, I decided to leave on. 
I couldn't get a sharp image out of that lens no matter how hard I tried.
I wrote it off to having insufficient tripod and head, though I was 
using it on a Zone VI wood tripod and whatever the big Zone VI head is 
(some sort of rebadged Manfrotto). Eventually I twigged to the 
possibility the filter was causing the problem so I removed it, and 
viola! instant sharpness.
My wife has a little statuette of a Rottweiler puppy that now uses the 
122mm Tamron filter as a display base.


bill



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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread kwaller

My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in there,
will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)


No you'll have to press the shutter release ;+)

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Filters?



My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in there,
will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)


On 4 November 2013 11:29,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Interestingly, along a similar lines, my 600 (and other Pentax lenses 
with
drop in filters) requires a filter in place for optimum performance 
although

I've never tested to see effects without a filter.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Subject: Re: Filters?



Yup he lists exactly the situation I said you would see effects in. 
Other
than that has any one actually done any side by side testing to see if 
they
see any differences? Or is it just more fun to argue without being 
hampered

by facts?

And I mean test with one filter, not ten stacked up.

Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:


Here's the article I was referring to earlier:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-feb-05.shtml




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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Most definitely familiar and a fan..

I have Mountain Light, but not the Tibetian book...

Also have a calendar and I think a book on Alaska with his photos

I take it you already own Mountain LIght?

Glad you are having fun out west - await more photos

ann


On 11/4/2013 18:44, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:


I just had an hour's visit to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop.
http://www.mountainlight.com

To those of you unfamiliar with it, it's the official gallery of
photographer Galen Rowell. Rowell has been one of my heroes for more
than twenty years. More so than Ansel Adams, for example. It was great
to have the opportunity to see some of his work printed large and hung
on walls.

It was also interesting to see so many of his shots hung together. He
was very much a colour photographer, often accused of practicing velvia
aesthetics. While I usually fail to understand why that is a derogatory
term, I did become a bit overwhelmed after perusing the fifth wall of
prints.

Then I stumbled upon one of his books My Tibet, for which the Dalai
Lama had provided the text. It had a bundle of those typical colour
photos I know him for, including the iconic picture of the rainbow
coming down on the Palace in Lhasa (P19 on this page:
http://mountainlight.com/posters.html ). What dominated the book,
however, were pictures of people. More subtly rendered, but with a lot
of impact.

Are some of you folks familiar with this book? What are your thoughts
about it?

I'd like to hear your opinions about Galen Rowell in general too, of
course.

Right now I'm wondering whether I'll be able to fit the book into my
luggage for the return flight. That seems to be the only thing stopping
me from buying it at the moment; along with a retrospective book that's
fairly new. :-)

Jostein



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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 12:44:24AM +0100, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
 
 Right now I'm wondering whether I'll be able to fit the book into my
 luggage for the return flight. That seems to be the only thing
 stopping me from buying it at the moment; along with a retrospective
 book that's fairly new. :-)

Buy the book, and if it doesn't fit in your luggage, you can just 
leave it at my house until your next trip to the states. :-)

Seriously though, just plan on shipping a box home with stuff you
don't want to carry on the plane.

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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread kwaller
I visited his former shop in Berkley, Ca., I believe, and was also awed 
seeing his work in person. I was glad to hear it was going to continue after 
his demise


His 'Velvia aesthetics' were/are shared by many pro outdoor photogs, as I'm 
sure you know, and I have no issues with them.


Galen played a role in the development of split neutral density filters and 
I remember buying several when I visited his shop.


I'm not familiar with the book My Tibet.

Are you headed into the Alabama Hills?

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no

Subject: Your opinion on mr Rowell?




I just had an hour's visit to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop. 
http://www.mountainlight.com


To those of you unfamiliar with it, it's the official gallery of 
photographer Galen Rowell. Rowell has been one of my heroes for more than 
twenty years. More so than Ansel Adams, for example. It was great to have 
the opportunity to see some of his work printed large and hung on walls.


It was also interesting to see so many of his shots hung together. He was 
very much a colour photographer, often accused of practicing velvia 
aesthetics. While I usually fail to understand why that is a derogatory 
term, I did become a bit overwhelmed after perusing the fifth wall of 
prints.


Then I stumbled upon one of his books My Tibet, for which the Dalai Lama 
had provided the text. It had a bundle of those typical colour photos I 
know him for, including the iconic picture of the rainbow coming down on 
the Palace in Lhasa (P19 on this page: 
http://mountainlight.com/posters.html ). What dominated the book, however, 
were pictures of people. More subtly rendered, but with a lot of impact.


Are some of you folks familiar with this book? What are your thoughts 
about it?


I'd like to hear your opinions about Galen Rowell in general too, of 
course.


Right now I'm wondering whether I'll be able to fit the book into my 
luggage for the return flight. That seems to be the only thing stopping me 
from buying it at the moment; along with a retrospective book that's 
fairly new. :-)


Jostein



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Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake

2013-11-04 Thread kwaller

Wonderful capture!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com

Subject: PESO - Lady of the Lake



My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C
down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have
qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus
flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few
sharp ones.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/

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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread Darren Addy
I like Galen Rowell, Eliot Porter, and (less known) Bill Atkinson (the
inventor of the old Mac application HyperCard).

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:07 PM,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 I visited his former shop in Berkley, Ca., I believe, and was also awed
 seeing his work in person. I was glad to hear it was going to continue after
 his demise

 His 'Velvia aesthetics' were/are shared by many pro outdoor photogs, as I'm
 sure you know, and I have no issues with them.

 Galen played a role in the development of split neutral density filters and
 I remember buying several when I visited his shop.

 I'm not familiar with the book My Tibet.

 Are you headed into the Alabama Hills?

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne
 p...@alunfoto.no
 Subject: Your opinion on mr Rowell?




 I just had an hour's visit to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop.
 http://www.mountainlight.com

 To those of you unfamiliar with it, it's the official gallery of
 photographer Galen Rowell. Rowell has been one of my heroes for more than
 twenty years. More so than Ansel Adams, for example. It was great to have
 the opportunity to see some of his work printed large and hung on walls.

 It was also interesting to see so many of his shots hung together. He was
 very much a colour photographer, often accused of practicing velvia
 aesthetics. While I usually fail to understand why that is a derogatory
 term, I did become a bit overwhelmed after perusing the fifth wall of
 prints.

 Then I stumbled upon one of his books My Tibet, for which the Dalai Lama
 had provided the text. It had a bundle of those typical colour photos I know
 him for, including the iconic picture of the rainbow coming down on the
 Palace in Lhasa (P19 on this page: http://mountainlight.com/posters.html ).
 What dominated the book, however, were pictures of people. More subtly
 rendered, but with a lot of impact.

 Are some of you folks familiar with this book? What are your thoughts
 about it?

 I'd like to hear your opinions about Galen Rowell in general too, of
 course.

 Right now I'm wondering whether I'll be able to fit the book into my
 luggage for the return flight. That seems to be the only thing stopping me
 from buying it at the moment; along with a retrospective book that's fairly
 new. :-)

 Jostein



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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Stan Halpin
Possibly. My understanding is that lenses with back-end filter drawers have 
their optics designed with the expectation that another piece of glass will be 
in the path of the photons streaming toward their final destination. Having no 
filter there is possibly degrading your images. 

On the other hand, I don't believe that more typical lenses with front-mounted 
filters are necessarily designed with the same assumption. So I wouldn't draw 
the conclusion that filters are universally a good thing.

I've always assumed that the design compensation for a rear filter was a 
trade-off. Such lenses tend to require huge (expensive) filters. So, rather 
than make you bear the cost of expensive add-ons, they assume a (rear) filter 
will be in place and compensate for it. And probably design a set of the 
necessary high-quality filters that fit the drawer and conform to their 
design. Maybe I am giving the lens designers too much credit . . .

stan

On Nov 4, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

 My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in there,
 will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)
 
 
 On 4 November 2013 11:29,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Interestingly, along a similar lines, my 600 (and other Pentax lenses with
 drop in filters) requires a filter in place for optimum performance although
 I've never tested to see effects without a filter.
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
 - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
 Subject: Re: Filters?
 
 
 
 Yup he lists exactly the situation I said you would see effects in. Other
 than that has any one actually done any side by side testing to see if they
 see any differences? Or is it just more fun to argue without being hampered
 by facts?
 
 And I mean test with one filter, not ten stacked up.
 
 Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 
 Here's the article I was referring to earlier:
 
 http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-feb-05.shtml
 
 
 
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Re: GESO: Sunset in Akaroa

2013-11-04 Thread David Mann
Thanks, Don... that one is one of my favourites as well, although I wish I'd 
pointed the camera a little further upwards (I cropped from the bottom as my 
original idea didn't quite work).

Cheers,
Dave

On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:39 am, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice, I believe #2 is my favorite.
 
 pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
 Message: 5
 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:49:05 +1300
 From: David Manndmann...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
 Subject: GESO: Sunset in Akaroa
 Message-ID:3fbb8ddb-8e78-46e3-8d7c-00358b791...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 When we stayed in Akaroa we had a nice sunset.  Here are 11 photos of it.
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/46/#geso
 
 My server has been playing up a bit today so I apologise if you have 
 problems (please let me know if you do).
 
 Comments welcome, as always.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
I thought Galen to be a Nikon bigot and employed a swaggering literary style. I 
wrote and told him that some years prior to his death. I've been to his Bishop 
Mountain Light gallery and did enjoy some images. I'm familiar with Rowel's 
work you mentioned, however, I did find his work generally over saturated. 
Luckily, when I visited the gallery, some work of David Munch was hanging in 
the guest section of the gallery. It was a particular thrill for me to view a 
number of glorious large format prints done by a photographer who's work I'd 
admired for some time.
I happened to be at Maroon Bells, above Aspen Co., at a time when Galen and I 
were the only ones there. He was packing up when I arrived and in a few minutes 
announced he was going down canyon.
 
Jack
 
 


 

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Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 3:44 PM
Subject: Your opinion on mr Rowell?


I just had an hour's visit to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop. 
http://www.mountainlight.com/

To those of you unfamiliar with it, it's the official gallery of 
photographer Galen Rowell. Rowell has been one of my heroes for more than 
twenty years. More so than Ansel Adams, for example. It was great to have 
the opportunity to see some of his work printed large and hung on walls.

It was also interesting to see so many of his shots hung together. He was 
very much a colour photographer, often accused of practicing velvia 
aesthetics. While I usually fail to understand why that is a derogatory 
term, I did become a bit overwhelmed after perusing the fifth wall of 
prints.

Then I stumbled upon one of his books My Tibet, for which the Dalai Lama 
had provided the text. It had a bundle of those typical colour photos I know 
him for, including the iconic picture of the rainbow coming down on the 
Palace in Lhasa (P19 on this page: http://mountainlight.com/posters.html). 
What dominated the book, however, were pictures of people. More subtly 
rendered, but with a lot of impact.

Are some of you folks familiar with this book? What are your thoughts about 
it?

I'd like to hear your opinions about Galen Rowell in general too, of course.

Right now I'm wondering whether I'll be able to fit the book into my luggage 
for the return flight. That seems to be the only thing stopping me from 
buying it at the moment; along with a retrospective book that's fairly new. 
:-)

Jostein 


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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I think that's exactly right, Stan. Lens designers are quite smart. 

Godfrey


 On Nov 4, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 
 I've always assumed that the design compensation for a rear filter was a 
 trade-off. Such lenses tend to require huge (expensive) filters. So, rather 
 than make you bear the cost of expensive add-ons, they assume a (rear) filter 
 will be in place and compensate for it. And probably design a set of the 
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Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake

2013-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Fortunate moment. Well done, Bruce!
 
Jack


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Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: PESO - Lady of the Lake

My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C
down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have
qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus
flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few
sharp ones.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/

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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 04/11/2013 5:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in there,
will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)


Sure Rob. Your pictures need all the help they can get.

bill

you left yourself open for that one, didn't you?


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Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 04/11/2013 6:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C
down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have
qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus
flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few
sharp ones.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/

Comments welcome.


I wish I had a niece who was that pretty.
I'd take nice pictures of her, though probably not that good.

bill

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Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-04 Thread John

Don't look like nothing Earl Scheib can't handle for $29.95.

On 11/4/2013 5:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

The pictures are crap, but the subject of them has been bringing
me smiles since I got it last night:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157637291417553/

My neighbor's daughter bought it, and it was immaculate.
Six days later she put it up on it's side.  I sold them
a couple doors to get it back on the road.  She invested in
hard top, roll bar, soft top with glass window, wheels, tires,
brakes ...

My neighbor called me about a week ago asking if I knew
anybody that would be interested in it for $2900.
If it hadn't been wrecked it would be worth twice that.

Now we need to sell the beat up honda civic while it will
still pass smog.



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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 November 2013 13:00, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sure Rob. Your pictures need all the help they can get.

 bill

 you left yourself open for that one, didn't you?

I know, I do still shoot Pentax (their bodies only for the most part ;)

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Re: SV: PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-04 Thread John

Looks like a young Cooper's Hawk.

On 11/4/2013 6:07 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

Thanks Jack.

Here's a 1:1 crop of the same boid.
Is it possible to confirm species based on this?
http://tinyurl.com/RedTailHawk4Jack

Jostein

-Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Jack Davis
Dato: 4. november 2013 23:33
Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Emne: Re: PESO - The Rim Fire

Really nice set of Rim fire after effects. I envy your physical ability
to cover such an area.
Especially like Torched II.
I was putting you on (kidding) with my female Red-tail comment. The
lens resolution wasn't quite there.;-))

Jack




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Subject: PESO - The Rim Fire

Actually a GESO, blogpost with six images.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-rim-fire.html

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Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 09:06:43PM -0500, John wrote:
 Don't look like nothing Earl Scheib can't handle for $29.95.

Scheib painted my MG a little over 10 years ago, it was closer to $300.

But, I have considered that as an option, or just getting some paint
and a preval and doing it myself, just to get it close to one color.

 
 On 11/4/2013 5:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 The pictures are crap, but the subject of them has been bringing
 me smiles since I got it last night:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157637291417553/
 
 My neighbor's daughter bought it, and it was immaculate.
 Six days later she put it up on it's side.  I sold them
 a couple doors to get it back on the road.  She invested in
 hard top, roll bar, soft top with glass window, wheels, tires,
 brakes ...
 
 My neighbor called me about a week ago asking if I knew
 anybody that would be interested in it for $2900.
 If it hadn't been wrecked it would be worth twice that.
 
 Now we need to sell the beat up honda civic while it will
 still pass smog.
 
 
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Re: GESO, new toy

2013-11-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent! Cage or roll bar?

Paul via phone

 On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:06 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Don't look like nothing Earl Scheib can't handle for $29.95.
 
 On 11/4/2013 5:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 The pictures are crap, but the subject of them has been bringing
 me smiles since I got it last night:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157637291417553/
 
 My neighbor's daughter bought it, and it was immaculate.
 Six days later she put it up on it's side.  I sold them
 a couple doors to get it back on the road.  She invested in
 hard top, roll bar, soft top with glass window, wheels, tires,
 brakes ...
 
 My neighbor called me about a week ago asking if I knew
 anybody that would be interested in it for $2900.
 If it hadn't been wrecked it would be worth twice that.
 
 Now we need to sell the beat up honda civic while it will
 still pass smog.
 
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PESO: Moonrise Over Akaroa

2013-11-04 Thread David Mann
My wife took this one with her iPhone, which takes better pics than my 
cellphone.  I wasn't carrying my SLR so this is all I have :(

I've cropped and made a couple of minor adjustments in Photoshop.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/688/#peso

Missing this one was the reason why I took the Pentax out to take sunset photos 
the following day (see the gallery I posted yesterday for those).

Cheers,
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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread John

I wish he were still around.

The shop there at Mountain Light should be able to ship the book home
for you so you don't have to worry about fitting it into your luggage.


On 11/4/2013 6:44 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:


I just had an hour's visit to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop.
http://www.mountainlight.com

To those of you unfamiliar with it, it's the official gallery of
photographer Galen Rowell. Rowell has been one of my heroes for more
 than twenty years. More so than Ansel Adams, for example. It was
great to have the opportunity to see some of his work printed large
and hung on walls.

It was also interesting to see so many of his shots hung together. He
 was very much a colour photographer, often accused of practicing
velvia aesthetics. While I usually fail to understand why that is a
derogatory term, I did become a bit overwhelmed after perusing the
fifth wall of prints.

Then I stumbled upon one of his books My Tibet, for which the Dalai
 Lama had provided the text. It had a bundle of those typical colour
 photos I know him for, including the iconic picture of the rainbow
coming down on the Palace in Lhasa (P19 on this page:
http://mountainlight.com/posters.html ). What dominated the book,
however, were pictures of people. More subtly rendered, but with a
lot of impact.

Are some of you folks familiar with this book? What are your thoughts
 about it?

I'd like to hear your opinions about Galen Rowell in general too, of
 course.

Right now I'm wondering whether I'll be able to fit the book into my
 luggage for the return flight. That seems to be the only thing
stopping me from buying it at the moment; along with a retrospective
book that's fairly new. :-)

Jostein



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Re: PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele

wow - how sad...
and ironically how beautiful and image Rim of the World is --
(not R of W II, which comes up first in the index)
 Like all the others but particulalry Rim of the World and
Scorched.

ann

On 11/4/2013 16:57, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

Actually a GESO, blogpost with six images.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-rim-fire.html

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OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-04 Thread John Celio
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/

In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
off?

John

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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread John

The manual for the A*300/2.8 doesn't say that it requires a filter in
there. I imagine if a place holder was required by the A*300, it would
have been supplied along with the lens.

I have a Sigma 300/2.8 that came with a filter in there. Also came
with a polarizer that fit in there  a pocket in the case to hold
whichever wasn't in the slot in the lens.

On 11/4/2013 6:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in
there, will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)


On 4 November 2013 11:29,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Interestingly, along a similar lines, my 600 (and other Pentax
lenses with drop in filters) requires a filter in place for optimum
performance although I've never tested to see effects without a
filter.

Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Subject: Re: Filters?




Yup he lists exactly the situation I said you would see effects
in. Other than that has any one actually done any side by side
testing to see if they see any differences? Or is it just more
fun to argue without being hampered by facts?

And I mean test with one filter, not ten stacked up.

Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:


Here's the article I was referring to earlier:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-feb-05.shtml




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PESO - Standing Up

2013-11-04 Thread knarf
Minor confrontation on Queen West here in Toronto:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2013/11/standing-up.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. 

Cheers,
frank
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Re: PESO - The Rim Fire

2013-11-04 Thread knarf
Amazing set, stark beauty.

Cheers,
frank

Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote:
Actually a GESO, blogpost with six images.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-rim-fire.html

Jostein 

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Re: PESO: Moonrise Over Akaroa

2013-11-04 Thread knarf
Lovely! Beautiful light.

Cheers,
frank

David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
My wife took this one with her iPhone, which takes better pics than my
cellphone.  I wasn't carrying my SLR so this is all I have :(

I've cropped and made a couple of minor adjustments in Photoshop.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/688/#peso

Missing this one was the reason why I took the Pentax out to take
sunset photos the following day (see the gallery I posted yesterday for
those).

Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Lady of the Lake

2013-11-04 Thread knarf
Gorgeous photo. 

Cheers,
frank

Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
My charming niece from back in August when it was about 10 degrees C
down by Lake Ontario. Taken 45 minutes *after* sunset -- would have
qualified for the long exposure PUG at 1/10th second I think. Plus
flash of course. Focussing was a Best Effort affair, sadly; very few
sharp ones.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10661004383/

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Re: OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-04 Thread Zos Xavius
It looks nice for sure. The controls look awkward and would require 2
hands in a lot of settings changes however. I think DSLRs have evolved
forward for a reason. I'm a huge fan of designs that allow one handed,
eye level settings changes.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM, John Celio
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 I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:

 http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/

 In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
 silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
 off?

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K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-04 Thread Mark C
The UPS truck finally pulled up around 9 PM this evening - I was 
starting to worry that my K-3 had gotten lost. Open the box, popped on a 
lens, dropped in a spare battery, set the date and time (but forgot to 
save them) Within about 2 minutes the first shot was snapped:


http://calarti.com/peso/IMGP0001.jpg

K-3 and FA 50 f1.7 / 1/30th @ F2.8.

I'm planning on taking another shot tomorrow :-)

Impressions:

1.  Slightly larger and noticeably heavier than the K-5, but feels great 
in the hand. The grip felt perfect. Build quality feels rock solid.


2.  Quiet shutter, quieter than the K-5.

3. Rear screen is excellent.

4. Slightly different layout of the controls / buttons, but totally 
intuitive. Haven't looked at the manual yet, though I'm probably missing 
stuff if I don't. The biggest challenge was disabling auto ISO, which 
took about 20 seconds to decipher.


5. AF is significantly improved - faster, more precise, locks on the 
subject quickly. I was shooting in rather dim light and it did hunt a 
bit here and there, especially with the black cats.


6.Auto white balance is good but not perfect.

7. I notice noise at ISO 1600. I took the same shot (minus the cat) with 
the K-5 and notice noise in it too. They seem comparable, but one shot 
is not much of a basis for comparison.


8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW) 
show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how 
conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file 
storage to be much higher.


I won't get a chance to really run it through its paces till this 
weekend, but I'm excited. Looks like an excellent upgrade over the K-5, 
which is no slouch of a camera...


Mark

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I don't test cameras

2013-11-04 Thread Bill
With that in mind, I invite you to click the link below, for your 
viewing pleasure:


WARNING: 12MP PAGE

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/k3k5/idonttestcameras.html

Don't crank at me if your browser hocks a loogie.

Anyway, it's fairly self explanatory.
I had noise reduction set to off on both cameras.
I downsized the 5% images by 50%, I downsized the K3 file to the same as 
the full K5 dimension, and then downsized it again by 50% to get the 
same length.

The K3 image is a little taller than the K5 image.
Images shot using a desk lamp for illumination, lens was the DFA 100/2.8 
macro at f/8.

The focus was about a third of the way from the trim ring to the tip.
I thought the K5 was pretty good at high ISO.
The K3 doesn't have to worry about high ISO performance.

What this set of images doesn't show, because it can't, is how much more 
of a pleasure to use the K3 is over the K5. Everything about the K3 is 
better in terms of usability. I'm super impressed with this camera so far.


bill

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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:


I just had an hour's visit to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop. 
http://www.mountainlight.com

Galen Rowell is one of those few photographers whose words are worth
as much attention as his photographs. He was a fascinating *thinker*
about photography. Mountain Light and The Inner Game of Outdoor
Photography are amongst my favorite photography books.
 
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Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 04/11/2013 9:29 PM, Mark C wrote:

The UPS truck finally pulled up around 9 PM this evening - I was
starting to worry that my K-3 had gotten lost. Open the box, popped on a
lens, dropped in a spare battery, set the date and time (but forgot to
save them) Within about 2 minutes the first shot was snapped:

http://calarti.com/peso/IMGP0001.jpg

K-3 and FA 50 f1.7 / 1/30th @ F2.8.

I'm planning on taking another shot tomorrow :-)

Impressions:

1.  Slightly larger and noticeably heavier than the K-5, but feels great
in the hand. The grip felt perfect. Build quality feels rock solid.

Yup


2.  Quiet shutter, quieter than the K-5.

Yup


3. Rear screen is excellent.

Yup


4. Slightly different layout of the controls / buttons, but totally
intuitive. Haven't looked at the manual yet, though I'm probably missing
stuff if I don't. The biggest challenge was disabling auto ISO, which
took about 20 seconds to decipher.
I'm glad it wasn't just me. The menu and controls seem much more 
ergonomic than the K5.


5. AF is significantly improved - faster, more precise, locks on the
subject quickly. I was shooting in rather dim light and it did hunt a
bit here and there, especially with the black cats.

Yup, and it appears colour blind too.


6.Auto white balance is good but not perfect.

Yup


7. I notice noise at ISO 1600. I took the same shot (minus the cat) with
the K-5 and notice noise in it too. They seem comparable, but one shot
is not much of a basis for comparison.
The K3 seems better to me, but I haven't (and won't) do any really 
scientific comparisons.


8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW)
show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how
conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file
storage to be much higher.
The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40 
MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO ones.


I won't get a chance to really run it through its paces till this
weekend, but I'm excited. Looks like an excellent upgrade over the K-5,
which is no slouch of a camera...


I'm a little floored by how much of an upgrade it appears to be over the K5.

bill


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Re: Your opinion on mr Rowell?

2013-11-04 Thread Bill

On 04/11/2013 7:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

I thought Galen to be a Nikon bigot and employed a swaggering literary style. I 
wrote and told him that some years prior to his death.

Galen Rowell is dead? That's very sad. He was a good photographer.

bill


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Re: 11 pages of K-3 images

2013-11-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Bill wrote:

Lets also not forget that downsampling the 24mp image to 16mp tends to 
reduce apparent noise as well.

Not very much, though. Ctein wrote about this a couple of years ago
when 24MP full-frame cameras started to hit the market. You need about
a 50% reduction in *linear* resolution to have an appreciable effect
on noise. That's like stepping down from 24 megapixels to 6
megapixels.
 
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GESO: Okains Bay

2013-11-04 Thread David Mann
A dozen photos from a sleepy little place where we stayed a few nights after 
our visit to Akaroa.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/47/#geso

While we were there I cycled across to Little Akaloa and back, which has to be 
one of the most enjoyable rides I've ever done.  But I didn't take any photos 
of it.

Cheers,
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Re: Boris' Thread

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/5/2013 12:48 AM, Bill wrote:

On 03/11/2013 10:53 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

However
I think I should be starting my own thread now.


My gift to you, my dear friend

Let me present you with a thread to call your own.

bill


Anything I said, Bill, or done that was terribly wrong?


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Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Love it! (The one on the left, that is)

ann

On 11/4/2013 22:44, Bill wrote:

On 04/11/2013 9:29 PM, Mark C wrote:

The UPS truck finally pulled up around 9 PM this evening - I was
starting to worry that my K-3 had gotten lost. Open the box, popped on a
lens, dropped in a spare battery, set the date and time (but forgot to
save them) Within about 2 minutes the first shot was snapped:

http://calarti.com/peso/IMGP0001.jpg

K-3 and FA 50 f1.7 / 1/30th @ F2.8.

I'm planning on taking another shot tomorrow :-)

Impressions:

1.  Slightly larger and noticeably heavier than the K-5, but feels great
in the hand. The grip felt perfect. Build quality feels rock solid.

Yup


2.  Quiet shutter, quieter than the K-5.

Yup


3. Rear screen is excellent.

Yup


4. Slightly different layout of the controls / buttons, but totally
intuitive. Haven't looked at the manual yet, though I'm probably missing
stuff if I don't. The biggest challenge was disabling auto ISO, which
took about 20 seconds to decipher.

I'm glad it wasn't just me. The menu and controls seem much more
ergonomic than the K5.


5. AF is significantly improved - faster, more precise, locks on the
subject quickly. I was shooting in rather dim light and it did hunt a
bit here and there, especially with the black cats.

Yup, and it appears colour blind too.


6.Auto white balance is good but not perfect.

Yup


7. I notice noise at ISO 1600. I took the same shot (minus the cat) with
the K-5 and notice noise in it too. They seem comparable, but one shot
is not much of a basis for comparison.

The K3 seems better to me, but I haven't (and won't) do any really
scientific comparisons.


8. Two 32 gig cards (I was lucky and got the free card deal from BW)
show up with a nominal storage count of ~1200 DNG files. Given how
conservative Pentax is with their storage estimates I expect actual file
storage to be much higher.

The files are pretty big. The few DNGs I've shot have ranged from 29-40
MB. I don't know why the huge bloat, the bigger files are the high ISO
ones.


I won't get a chance to really run it through its paces till this
weekend, but I'm excited. Looks like an excellent upgrade over the K-5,
which is no slouch of a camera...


I'm a little floored by how much of an upgrade it appears to be over the
K5.

bill




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Re: OT: Nikon Df

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

LOL, Zos. It means you're not proper Pentax fan, you know.

Back in the days when people were busy comparing Kodak and Fuji films, 
Nikon had F70 which had modern electronic hard to understand UI and 
Pentax OTOH introduced MZ-5 and later MZ-5n which was absolutely 
brilliant instant cult classic camera. Why - just because instead of the 
electronic gizmotry it had pretty much the same dial controls as this 
Nikon. You had aperture ring on the lens with A position in case you 
wanted the camera to do the choosing for you. You had a shutter speed 
ring on top of the camera with A position in case you did not want to 
bother with that. You had exposure compensation ring... Ultimately you 
would look on top plate of the camera and see on the spot everything you 
needed to know in terms of photographic settings.


I think this camera is absolutely brilliant. It does pretty much exactly 
what Pentaxians were asking for so long and probably won't see happen - 
a photographic camera (no video, thank you) with proper mechanical 
controls (no 12 page menu system, thank you so much) for the important 
settings that is as compatible as Nikon cameras can possibly be, 
including but not limited to the oldest Nikon mount lenses ever produced.


It has sensibly few pixels on its sensor, it is not too big or too heavy 
and I reckon, given Nikon brilliance in all things mechanical as far as 
their top tier models go, it will also be rather reliable and joyful to 
operate.


I have Pentax MX and it is extremely easy to operate without taking eyes 
off the viewfinder.


The only downsize of this camera is rather high price, but I am sure 
soon enough it would be possible to have it for less money.


All in all - Nikon is doing right things.

On 11/5/2013 5:14 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

It looks nice for sure. The controls look awkward and would require 2
hands in a lot of settings changes however. I think DSLRs have evolved
forward for a reason. I'm a huge fan of designs that allow one handed,
eye level settings changes.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM, John Celio
neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/

In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
off?

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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/5/2013 12:45 AM, Bill wrote:

My A*600/6.6 came with a great big Tamron UV filter on it, which
considering how much I paid for the bloody lens, I decided to leave on.
I couldn't get a sharp image out of that lens no matter how hard I tried.
I wrote it off to having insufficient tripod and head, though I was
using it on a Zone VI wood tripod and whatever the big Zone VI head is
(some sort of rebadged Manfrotto). Eventually I twigged to the
possibility the filter was causing the problem so I removed it, and
viola! instant sharpness.
My wife has a little statuette of a Rottweiler puppy that now uses the
122mm Tamron filter as a display base.

bill


I had similar problem with one of my lenses - it flared for as long as I 
had a rather cheap filter attached to it. Once removed, I kind of 
learned the hard way that the lens was rather flare resistant.



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Re: Filters?

2013-11-04 Thread kwaller
The 'operating manual' that came with my 600 FA states that the front glass 
is called the PF (protect front) filter and is there to protect the front 
element. The PF filter is always recommended for use as it is designed to 
work as the part of the optical system.


It makes no mention about the need to use a filter in the rear filter 
holder. The lens comes with 7 43mm filters including a normal, skylight, 
cloudy and UV along with yellow, orange and red.


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- Original Message - 
From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info

Subject: Re: Filters?


Possibly. My understanding is that lenses with back-end filter drawers 
have their optics designed with the expectation that another piece of 
glass will be in the path of the photons streaming toward their final 
destination. Having no filter there is possibly degrading your images.


On the other hand, I don't believe that more typical lenses with 
front-mounted filters are necessarily designed with the same assumption. 
So I wouldn't draw the conclusion that filters are universally a good 
thing.


I've always assumed that the design compensation for a rear filter was a 
trade-off. Such lenses tend to require huge (expensive) filters. So, 
rather than make you bear the cost of expensive add-ons, they assume a 
(rear) filter will be in place and compensate for it. And probably design 
a set of the necessary high-quality filters that fit the drawer and 
conform to their design. Maybe I am giving the lens designers too much 
credit . . .


stan

On Nov 4, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:


My A*300/2.8 has a filter drawer but has never had a filter in there,
will my images magically improve if I put one in? :)


On 4 November 2013 11:29,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Interestingly, along a similar lines, my 600 (and other Pentax lenses 
with
drop in filters) requires a filter in place for optimum performance 
although

I've never tested to see effects without a filter.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Subject: Re: Filters?



Yup he lists exactly the situation I said you would see effects in. 
Other
than that has any one actually done any side by side testing to see if 
they
see any differences? Or is it just more fun to argue without being 
hampered

by facts?

And I mean test with one filter, not ten stacked up.

Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:


Here's the article I was referring to earlier:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-feb-05.shtml




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Re: PESO: Moonrise Over Akaroa

2013-11-04 Thread David Mann
Thanks, Frank.  It was really one of those had-to-be-there moments as it looked 
stunning (there were more sunset-lit hill peaks to the right).

Cheers,
Dave

On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:06 pm, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lovely! Beautiful light.
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 My wife took this one with her iPhone, which takes better pics than my
 cellphone.  I wasn't carrying my SLR so this is all I have :(
 
 I've cropped and made a couple of minor adjustments in Photoshop.
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/688/#peso
 
 Missing this one was the reason why I took the Pentax out to take
 sunset photos the following day (see the gallery I posted yesterday for
 those).
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
 
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Re: K-3 First Shot and Impressions

2013-11-04 Thread David Mann
On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:29 pm, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

 The UPS truck finally pulled up around 9 PM this evening - I was starting to 
 worry that my K-3 had gotten lost. Open the box, popped on a lens, dropped in 
 a spare battery, set the date and time (but forgot to save them) Within 
 about 2 minutes the first shot was snapped:
 
 http://calarti.com/peso/IMGP0001.jpg

It's unusual to see a cat sitting beside a box...

Cheers,
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