Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Larry Colen]

Bruce Walker wrote:



As a fellow Pentax user, what compact camera like this would you recommend?


Depending on your definition of pocketable, the K-r with a DA40/2.8 is 
surprisingly trim and capable. By pocketable, it will easily fit in 
cargo pockets or jacket pockets.


In that realm I recently bought an Olympus TG-4. On paper it looked very 
nice, small, waterproof, capable of doing both stills and video, and 
could produce raw files.


Unfortunately the video shut off after 21 minutes, rendering it useless 
for the things I wanted video for, and despite the zoom being f/2 at the 
wide end, it really rather sucked in even moderately low light. I 
returned it within a week.


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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very fine image indeed.


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On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Fascinating! Well done.
>
> Paul via phone
>
> On Nov 7, 2016, at 11:56 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>
> >> I guess for that Dragon the ice age cometh.
> >
> > Nah..., in an hour or two the sun rose, the Darner awakened, the dew was
> gone and the
> > darner flew off to face the days adventure.
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "P.J. Alling" <
> webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'
> >
> >
> >> I guess for that Dragon the ice age cometh.
> >>
> >>> On 11/7/2016 8:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> >>> Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)
> >>>
> >>> Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife
> Reserve on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro SMCP
> A*.  1/25 s at f4.0, 400 ISO.
> >>>
> >>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675
> >>>
> >>> Comments ?
> >>>
> >>> Kenneth Waller
> >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: It's time for a digital flash

[Larry Colen]

Collin B wrote:

I need to re-shoot some of my new daughter-in-law/her mother pre-wedding
shots.
The originals, not by me, were done with her mother's hair still in curlers.
My assigned task is to reshoot them.
But I really do want something better than the pop-up flash on the K5.
Lens will be either the F50/1.7 or the FA28/2.8, though the FA28-105 may be
used as it's respectable.
Anyway. I've not gotten a digital flash before.  What's a recommended unit
suitable for the K5 that will give quality results.


You're going to need a really big opener for that can of worms.

It's my experience that it's harder to learn to get good results from a 
flash, than it is to learn to use a camera.  Once again I'll suggest the 
book "Light, Science and Magic". I'll also suggest that if you can, you 
will want to get the flash off the camera and use radio triggers.  The 
yongnuo triggers are cheap and reliable.  Unfortunately I have not had 
nearly as good of luck with their speedlights. The YN560IV is an awesome 
manual flash, for about a month, until it stops working.


I had horrible luck with my fgz540, but other people have had better 
luck. I am curious about the fgz540-II.  I've got a metz 58, and it's 
serviceable.


If you don't need TTL, you may want to check out the lumopro
https://mpex.com/demo-lumopro-lp180-flash.html

Or their radio control version
https://mpex.com/lumopro-lp180r-off-camera-flash.html









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Re: PESO - NOLA at night

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice composition, and pleasing colors.


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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

>
> I just came back from a conference trip to New Orleans, LA.
> It could've been an "iconic" shot, but it was taken only last week:
> http://42graphy.org/misc/nola-37814.jpg .
> Taken handheld from a boat with K5-iiS and 31/1.8.
>
> All comments and suggestions are welcome.
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Re: PESO - Glance

[Larry Colen]

Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso31.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.


I've lost count, but it seems that you're well on you way with this 
theme to have enough for a show.




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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[Larry Colen]

Ken Waller wrote:

Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)

Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife
Reserve on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED Macro
SMCP A*. 1/25 s at f4.0, 400 ISO.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675

Comments ?


Nicely done.



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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[Paul Stenquist]

Fascinating! Well done.

Paul via phone

On Nov 7, 2016, at 11:56 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

>> I guess for that Dragon the ice age cometh.
> 
> Nah..., in an hour or two the sun rose, the Darner awakened, the dew was gone 
> and the
> darner flew off to face the days adventure.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "P.J. Alling" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'
> 
> 
>> I guess for that Dragon the ice age cometh.
>> 
>>> On 11/7/2016 8:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>>> Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)
>>> 
>>> Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife 
>>> Reserve on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro SMCP 
>>> A*.  1/25 s at f4.0, 400 ISO.
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675
>>> 
>>> Comments ?
>>> 
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[Ken Waller]

Thanks Bruce.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Walker" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'



Simply gorgeous, Ken.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)

Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife 
Reserve
on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro SMCP A*. 
1/25

s at f4.0, 400 ISO.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675

Comments ?

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http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[Ken Waller]

I guess for that Dragon the ice age cometh.


Nah..., in an hour or two the sun rose, the Darner awakened, the dew was 
gone and the

darner flew off to face the days adventure.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "P.J. Alling" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'



I guess for that Dragon the ice age cometh.

On 11/7/2016 8:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)

Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife 
Reserve on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro 
SMCP A*.  1/25 s at f4.0, 400 ISO.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675

Comments ?

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Re: PESO - NOLA at night

[Alan C]

Very smart. I see you caught Venus & the moon too. Venus ha been quite 
spectacular in the night sky of late.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Igor PDML-StR

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:29 AM
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Subject: PESO - NOLA at night


I just came back from a conference trip to New Orleans, LA.
It could've been an "iconic" shot, but it was taken only last week:
http://42graphy.org/misc/nola-37814.jpg .
Taken handheld from a boat with K5-iiS and 31/1.8.

All comments and suggestions are welcome.

Igor


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PESO - NOLA at night

[Igor PDML-StR]

I just came back from a conference trip to New Orleans, LA.
It could've been an "iconic" shot, but it was taken only last week:
http://42graphy.org/misc/nola-37814.jpg .
Taken handheld from a boat with K5-iiS and 31/1.8.

All comments and suggestions are welcome.

Igor


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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[ann sanfedele]

nice one - like the placementin the frame and the simplicity of it all

- I hope the little critter survived the dew drops

ann


On 11/7/2016 8:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)

Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife 
Reserve on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro 
SMCP A*.  1/25 s at f4.0, 400 ISO.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675

Comments ?

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Bill]

On 11/7/2016 5:21 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 7/11/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:


Finally, a quick shout out for another camera that will easily satisfy
your requirements


Size hints





More size hints:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/xt-1pron1.html

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Bill]

On 11/7/2016 12:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bill  wrote:

On 11/5/2016 8:17 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


So what I'd like is pocketable and with the "feel" of an old school
film camera.


If you have big pockets, the Fuji T-T2 with the 35mm lens would be an
excellent choice.


Pocket-wise, it's about the same size as my K-3, a little thinner I
guess. My clothing won't accommodate either. :)



It's about the same size as a Pentax ME-Super. A little bigger than 
that, not as big as an LX. They are not a big camera. Couple it with a 
35mm f/2 WR and you have a very compact high quality camera



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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[Bruce Walker]

Simply gorgeous, Ken.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)
>
> Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife Reserve
> on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro SMCP A*.  1/25
> s at f4.0, 400 ISO.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675
>
> Comments ?
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Re: More Birdies, different converters

[P.J. Alling]

On 11/7/2016 7:34 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Someone has to maintain the standards around here! :-)


You mean the list has standards ? ;-)


They are rather low, but, yes I guess we do.



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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 
Subject: Re: More Birdies, different converters


Yeah, the 28000 shot  is extreme, especially since it is about a 50% 
crop. Bit I'm okay with noisy pics as long as they're sharp. The 
noise is no more pronounced than Tri-x grain at ISO 800. Printed and 
viewed from a normal distance, this type shot is fine by me. But I 
think you're more particular than I am. That could be a good thing. 
Someone has to maintain the standards around here! :-)


Paul via phone


On Nov 6, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Big improvement in noise with the second shot - 28000 vs 1500.

I would consider the one at 28000 just about unusable.

Nice lighting on the second one - nicely caught eye highlight.

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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 


Subject: More Birdies, different converters


This appears to be a finch, and I shot it with the D FA 150-450 and 
the A2X S converter. Like the other pic I posted it’s f8, 1/320th 
and about ISO 28,00


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307583=lg

For this one I put on the DA 1.4 AF converter and slowed the 
shutter speed down to 1/80th, I was able to get the ISO down to 
about 1500. (The bird, a Junko, was also in better light.)


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307586=lg

The much slower shutter speed works fine if the bird down’t move, 
but if he takes off I’ll lose what might be a good shot.


Tons of fun in the backyard.I shot the pics sitting in a lawn chair 
with the camera on a tripod. I think sitting s a plus because it 
minimizes my size.


Paul






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Re: PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[P.J. Alling]

I guess for that Dragon the ice age cometh.

On 11/7/2016 8:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)

Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife 
Reserve on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro 
SMCP A*.  1/25 s at f4.0, 400 ISO.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675

Comments ?

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[P.J. Alling]

That seems to be the problem, what you gain with the tiny body you lose 
with the adapter, or vice versa.


On 11/7/2016 6:21 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 7/11/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:


Finally, a quick shout out for another camera that will easily satisfy
your requirements

Size hints






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PESO - 'Not ready for takeoff'

[Ken Waller]

Its a Darner of undetermined Genus. (possibly a Fawn Darner)

Taken late Auguest in the U P of Michigan in Seney National Wildlife Reserve 
on a dewey, cool, early morning with K3, 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro SMCP A*.  1/25 
s at f4.0, 400 ISO.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307675

Comments ?

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> On 7 Nov 2016, at 19:04, Bruce Walker  > wrote:
>> 
>>> What Bruce really wants, deep in his heart of hearts, is a Leica M typ 262. 
>>> He should bite the bullet, and go out and buy one. And some lenses too.
>> 
>> You know something crazy? I see that you are right. The Leica is just
>> about perfect for what I'm looking for, size and price aside.
>> 
> I suspect the target market for the Fujis is largely made up of Leica 
> wannabes and Olympus Trip has-beens. Problem is, they don't fully deliver on 
> their promise. At least, not to me. The key thing about the Leicas is 
> simplicity; not getting in the way, as Godfrey puts it.

There is no digital camera simpler and more akin to the film camera experience 
than a Leica M-D (typ 262). The only settings it has other than ISO, focus, 
shutter time, and aperture are for the clock. There's no LCD … and it feels 
substantively smaller than any of the other digital Ms without it. It captures 
only raw files so just like with film, everything past the capture is done in 
processing and rendering the photo. The M-D gets out of the way instantly, it 
returns you to a time before digital, before chimping, before user settings and 
multi-mode this and that. Yet brings you all the advantages of a digital sensor 
without the disadvantages. 

I absolutely adore this camera. 

My bag has in it the M-D, a 1972 Summilux 35 that's been coded so the camera 
recognizes it, a Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4. Perfect setup for 99% of my shooting. 
Sometimes I swap those two lenses out for a Color Skopar 28/3.5 and a Color 
Skopar 50/2.5. These work well asides from color shading issues; I render only 
to B with them. There's plenty more space in the bag … it's a Tenba DNA8 … 
and it could easily fit the camera and all four of those lenses, plus an iPad 
mini. One charge on the battery is good for 500-700 exposures; a 16G card is 
good for around 800 exposures. Good match. And the default rendering of the DNG 
files in Lightroom has that beautiful feel of a Leica film camera exposure.

If you want a digital camera that gives you as close to the film experience as 
you can get, this is the one. Yes, it costs a bit; no, it won't fit in your 
pocket. It's worth it. 

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 7/11/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Micro Four Thirds, so a large range of lenses available - including some
>>manual Voigtlander f/0.95 lenses (1 in your range) - as well as a number
>>of adapters for legacy lenses like Pentax.
>
> Voila
>
> 

This is really appealing. :)

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 5/11/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>So what I'd like is pocketable and with the "feel" of an old school
>>film camera. That is, simple ergonomics. Simple interface, with
>>buttons and dials for the important most-used functions.
>
> If you're considering Leicas then, I might have gotten the wrong end of
> the stick.

No Cotty, you had the right end of the stick. But it's a forked stick. :)


> I assumed you were looking for something genuinely pocketable. My
> definition of pocketable is the rear pocket on a pair of Levis. YMMV.

I am looking for something pocketable, it's just that since I've been
finding that my needs for the elusive perfect camera aren't being met,
I'm expanding the search radius and considering alternatives.

Pocketable for me is actually bigger than your Levis back pocket
standard. A coat pocket, or a small fanny pack in the summer.


> Finally, a quick shout out for another camera that will easily satisfy
> your requirements - although (like the Leica) will not fit in a pair of
> Levis with a lens attached) - the Olympus Pen F.

Now this is a worthy beastie for consideration. Thank you!


> My advice: buy an X20 for under 400 bucks as you mentioned. If you can't
> get on with it, eBay it back into the system and put some wedge into a
> Leica system. If you've got the funds, go for it.

Sound advice, Cotty. Still the most likely outcome.

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Re: More Birdies, different converters

[Ken Waller]

Someone has to maintain the standards around here! :-)


You mean the list has standards ? ;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: More Birdies, different converters


Yeah, the 28000 shot  is extreme, especially since it is about a 50% crop. 
Bit I'm okay with noisy pics as long as they're sharp. The noise is no 
more pronounced than Tri-x grain at ISO 800. Printed and viewed from a 
normal distance, this type shot is fine by me. But I think you're more 
particular than I am. That could be a good thing. Someone has to maintain 
the standards around here! :-)


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On Nov 6, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Big improvement in noise with the second shot - 28000 vs 1500.

I would consider the one at 28000 just about unusable.

Nice lighting on the second one - nicely caught eye highlight.

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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 
Subject: More Birdies, different converters


This appears to be a finch, and I shot it with the D FA 150-450 and the 
A2X S converter. Like the other pic I posted it’s f8, 1/320th and about 
ISO 28,00


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307583=lg

For this one I put on the DA 1.4 AF converter and slowed the shutter 
speed down to 1/80th, I was able to get the ISO down to about 1500. (The 
bird, a Junko, was also in better light.)


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307586=lg

The much slower shutter speed works fine if the bird down’t move, but if 
he takes off I’ll lose what might be a good shot.


Tons of fun in the backyard.I shot the pics sitting in a lawn chair with 
the camera on a tripod. I think sitting s a plus because it minimizes my 
size.


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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Bob W-PDML]

On 7 Nov 2016, at 23:22, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 7/11/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Finally, a quick shout out for another camera that will easily satisfy
>> your requirements
> 
> Size hints
> 
> 

I think the message there is buy an MX...

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/11/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Finally, a quick shout out for another camera that will easily satisfy
>your requirements

Size hints



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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/11/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Micro Four Thirds, so a large range of lenses available - including some
>manual Voigtlander f/0.95 lenses (1 in your range) - as well as a number
>of adapters for legacy lenses like Pentax.

Voila



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Re: Advice on large format photography

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent!

Paul via phone

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 7/11/16, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I'm retired, so I now work only about 7 hours a day! Wouldn't have it
>> any other way.
> 
> Haha! Love it.
> 
> If you want an idea of what I'll be filling my time with, these Youtube
> videos will give a good hint ;-)
> 
>  M1B9aJc=PLvD5qlROxJu3r8aIu4JitzFHsqu1pxDAO>
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Re: Advice on large format photography

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/11/16, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>M1B9aJc=PLvD5qlROxJu3r8aIu4JitzFHsqu1pxDAO>

or this



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Re: Advice on large format photography

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/11/16, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm retired, so I now work only about 7 hours a day! Wouldn't have it
>any other way.

Haha! Love it.

If you want an idea of what I'll be filling my time with, these Youtube
videos will give a good hint ;-)




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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/11/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So what I'd like is pocketable and with the "feel" of an old school
>film camera. That is, simple ergonomics. Simple interface, with
>buttons and dials for the important most-used functions.

If you're considering Leicas then, I might have gotten the wrong end of
the stick.

I assumed you were looking for something genuinely pocketable. My
definition of pocketable is the rear pocket on a pair of Levis. YMMV.

I can squeeze the X20 (with it's easily understood and used UI - by me
at any rate) into my Levis at a push. I wouldn't sit down though.

It will easily fit in any jacket or coat pocket, lens retracted and
powered down.

I dare say a Leica will as well - but I defy you to get a Leica M Typ
26anything into a pair of Levis - with lens attached

Finally, a quick shout out for another camera that will easily satisfy
your requirements - although (like the Leica) will not fit in a pair of
Levis with a lens attached) - the Olympus Pen F.

Micro Four Thirds, so a large range of lenses available - including some
manual Voigtlander f/0.95 lenses (1 in your range) - as well as a number
of adapters for legacy lenses like Pentax.

My entire camera bag now consists of a Fuji X20 (zoom range equiv of
28-112), Olympus Pen F, Samyang 12/2 (24 equiv), Pentax 24/2.8 (48
equiv), Pentax 50/1.4 (100 equiv) and Tokina AT-X 90/2.5 macro (180 equiv).

That's all I've got. I have plans to replace some of the lenses with
Voigtlanders eventually, but I love the simplicity of this kit, and both
cameras tick the bill regarding old school feel. The Oly is an extremely
capable camera with large pixel count and 5 axis IS etc - so quite a
machine. Again, if `I have to take one in a pocket, it's the Fuji X20
every time.

My advice: buy an X20 for under 400 bucks as you mentioned. If you can't
get on with it, eBay it back into the system and put some wedge into a
Leica system. If you've got the funds, go for it.

I find the Leicas simply too big. And the X-Pro 1 and 2. Too big for
what I wanted. LOVE the X100T but restricted by lens for what I wanted to do.

That's why I got the Olympus.

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Re: Advice on large format photography

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I'm retired, so I now work only about 7 hours a day! Wouldn't have it any other 
way.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 7/11/16, Bulent Celasun, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I am about to retire...
> 
> I am envious! And about 18 months behind you.
> 
> Good luck!
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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6/11/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>These two Fujis are not, in my opinion, simple to use. The menus and
>user interface are a mess. It's all to easy to change settings
>inadvertently, without any warning, and I find it really confusing and
>difficult to restore them to what I like. They are also not good for
>manual focusing because although you can do it, there is no indication
>in the optical finder of what you're focused on. On the X20 you can do
>focus peaking in the optical finder, but to get it you have to do
>without other settings (or absence of) which I find useful.

Interesting.

My experience is slightly different. There are 2 user settings on the
main top dial (C1 and C2) and global camera settings can be concreted to
these to settings. Hence, my C1 setting is mono, high ISO, high
contrast, high everything for that gritty street look. C2 is mono, low
ISO, high quality for landscapes and suchlike. For colour I just turn to
either Program or Aperture priority

The menus are quite easy to understand and cycle through - but that said
I am used to the Fuji way - and now the Oly way as well, which isn't
hugely different. What I like to do is customise the external buttons
and dials as much as possible so I can quickly switch between settings
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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6/11/16, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I side with Cotty here - X20 is a good option.
>I must put one on my Christmas list...

Why Christopher I do believe this is a first ;-)

You been playing with Bob's ?

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Re: Advice on large format photography

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On 7/11/16, Bulent Celasun, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I am about to retire...

I am envious! And about 18 months behind you.

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

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On 7 Nov 2016, at 19:04, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
>> What Bruce really wants, deep in his heart of hearts, is a Leica M typ 262. 
>> He should bite the bullet, and go out and buy one. And some lenses too.
> 
> You know something crazy? I see that you are right. The Leica is just
> about perfect for what I'm looking for, size and price aside.
> 
I suspect the target market for the Fujis is largely made up of Leica wannabes 
and Olympus Trip has-beens. Problem is, they don't fully deliver on their 
promise. At least, not to me. The key thing about the Leicas is simplicity; not 
getting in the way, as Godfrey puts it.

I think you'd find that size is not much of an issue with the Leica Ms once you 
start to use them. I keep mine on a leather wrist strap, and I normally have a 
small shoulder bag for one or two extra lenses, a light meter and other 
paraphernalia. You could easily keep it all in a combat jacket if that happens 
to be your thing. You could also buy an old (or indeed new) collapsible Elmar 
lens to make it even smaller when not in use.

I find that I carry no more with the M than I would with one of the Fujis, 
since I keep them on a wrist strap too, and still need a small bag to keep my 
wallet, phone and glasses, and light meter if I take one. It's principally the 
glasses case that causes this, as my phone goes in my wallet anyway, and that 
could go in a pocket.

B

> I gently approached this concept with my wife this morning during our
> dog walk. I said, "it's a bit pricey." She said, "oh, what, like 600
> dollars?". I admitted that no, it's actually six thousand dollars.
> 
> She did not hit me with a blunt object, so I took that as a positive
> sign. I haven't mentioned lenses yet.
> 
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Re: PESO - Glance

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks, Dan.

m

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 4:22 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Great informal portrait.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
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> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
> 
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso31.html
>> 
>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>> 
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Re: PESO - Glance

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks, Jack!

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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> Actually a quality image, technically!
> 
> J
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>> 
>> Classic. Looks a bit like Boy George in his younger days! Did you try 
>> blowing it up to ID the camera?
>> 
>> Alan C
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>> -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 9:21 AM
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>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso31.html
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Re: PESO - Glance

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I didn’t blow it up, but I certainly can. In any case, thanks for the comments.

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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 5:55 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
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> Based on the shape of the prism housing the placement of the mode dial and 
> the articulating screen, it's most likely a Canon T6i (760D).  Camera 
> spotting a hobby?
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2016 4:14 AM, Alan C wrote:
>> Classic. Looks a bit like Boy George in his younger days! Did you try 
>> blowing it up to ID the camera?
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 9:21 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: PESO - Glance
>> 
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso31.html
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>> 
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Re: It's time for a digital flash

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You can use pretty much any modern auto-thyristor flash, if you set the 
aperture properly you'll get images pretty much as well exposed as you 
would with a fancy P-TTL capable flash.  The command interface on a late 
model AF280T is even partially supported so in the auto modes it will 
set the proper f stop and shutter speed.


On 11/7/2016 12:57 PM, Collin B wrote:

I need to re-shoot some of my new daughter-in-law/her mother pre-wedding
shots.
The originals, not by me, were done with her mother's hair still in curlers.
My assigned task is to reshoot them.
But I really do want something better than the pop-up flash on the K5.
Lens will be either the F50/1.7 or the FA28/2.8, though the FA28-105 may be
used as it's respectable.
Anyway. I've not gotten a digital flash before.  What's a recommended unit
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Re: Boris, a whole bunch of PESOs

[Boris Liberman]

Thank you very much, sir.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> It was easier to navigate to your blog main page and scroll down
> through the first two pages to treat it as a GESO.
>
> Hills of Galilee tickles my fancy, Boris. Fine shots.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I haven't been posting for a long while. Just recently we returned
>> from a whole week that we've spent in Galilee, Golan Heights and other
>> interesting places in Northern Israel. Here are a dozen PESOs, most of
>> which are from this trip:
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-33-different-interests.html
>> - different interests - one last PESO from the Live Sculptures
>> festival that takes place annualy in our town
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-34-in-flight.html - in
>> flight - some very fascinating birds are passing through Israel on
>> their way south for winter.
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-35-hula-valley-nature-reserve.html
>> - Hula Valley Nature Reserve - I certainly do wish I had a way longer
>> lens...
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-36-coming-in-for-landing.html
>> - coming in for landing - thought the symmetry was nice here...
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-37-in-flight.html - in
>> flight - after a long hiatus, my good friend lended me his Panasonic
>> 35-100/2.8 (EFL 70-200) lens... I had great time with it...
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-38-hula-valley-nature-reserve.html
>> - Hula Valley Nature Reserve - Golan Heights on the background
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-39-rehaniya.html -
>> Rehaniya - Circassian village, excellent food there :-).
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-40-hills-of-galilee.html
>> - Hills of Galilee
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-41-gamla-nature-reserve.html
>> - Gamla Nature Reserve - on the far background, you can probably see
>> the Sea of Galilee...
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-42-banias-stream.html -
>> Banias stream - the IBIS of my camera is exceptional... Shot handheld
>> and got this effect...
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-43-under-canopy.html -
>> under the canopy - we don't have golden autumn per se here, but we get
>> some nice light and some rather nice scenery too...
>>
>> Sorry for such a big post, but I haven't been posting in general and
>> PESOs in particular for quite some while...
>>
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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Boris Liberman]

Bruce, a friend of mine has one. I handled it briefly few times. It is
of course on the smallish size, but it has general gestalt of
rangefinder camera, as I see it. Here I have to admit that I only shot
one roll of film with Russian Leica clone, so I don't have that much
of a expertise as to how the rangefinder camera gotta handle. Yet, it
is a nice little camera with big sensor (relative to its size and
weight) and it is worth considering.



On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:09 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> It was not, until just now. :) Thanks, Boris, under consideration.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Was Panasonic LX100 mentioned?

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[Bruce Walker]

It was not, until just now. :) Thanks, Boris, under consideration.


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Was Panasonic LX100 mentioned?
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, it's 35mm equivalent. I have a Fuji X100, which was the first 
>>> generation of that series. It's a nice camera, but my X20 sees far more 
>>> use, and I may sell the X100 to fund my French bicycle habit.
>>>
>>> These two Fujis are not, in my opinion, simple to use. The menus and user 
>>> interface are a mess. It's all to easy to change settings inadvertently, 
>>> without any warning, and I find it really confusing and difficult to 
>>> restore them to what I like. They are also not good for manual focusing 
>>> because although you can do it, there is no indication in the optical 
>>> finder of what you're focused on. On the X20 you can do focus peaking in 
>>> the optical finder, but to get it you have to do without other settings (or 
>>> absence of) which I find useful.
>>>
>>> Overall it is compromised in my opinion by its excessive complexity and its 
>>> attempt to do everything. They need me to tell them what it should be like.
>>>
>>> You can shoot some lovely black and white though, when you set it up right.
>>
>> I am both heartened and disheartened to hear this. I really dislike a
>> cranky UI, especially one that encourages random changes that are hard
>> to restore.
>>
>>
>>> What Bruce really wants, deep in his heart of hearts, is a Leica M typ 262. 
>>> He should bite the bullet, and go out and buy one. And some lenses too.
>>
>> You know something crazy? I see that you are right. The Leica is just
>> about perfect for what I'm looking for, size and price aside.
>>
>> I gently approached this concept with my wife this morning during our
>> dog walk. I said, "it's a bit pricey." She said, "oh, what, like 600
>> dollars?". I admitted that no, it's actually six thousand dollars.
>>
>> She did not hit me with a blunt object, so I took that as a positive
>> sign. I haven't mentioned lenses yet.
>>
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Re: Boris, a whole bunch of PESOs

[Bruce Walker]

It was easier to navigate to your blog main page and scroll down
through the first two pages to treat it as a GESO.

Hills of Galilee tickles my fancy, Boris. Fine shots.


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I haven't been posting for a long while. Just recently we returned
> from a whole week that we've spent in Galilee, Golan Heights and other
> interesting places in Northern Israel. Here are a dozen PESOs, most of
> which are from this trip:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-33-different-interests.html
> - different interests - one last PESO from the Live Sculptures
> festival that takes place annualy in our town
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-34-in-flight.html - in
> flight - some very fascinating birds are passing through Israel on
> their way south for winter.
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-35-hula-valley-nature-reserve.html
> - Hula Valley Nature Reserve - I certainly do wish I had a way longer
> lens...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-36-coming-in-for-landing.html
> - coming in for landing - thought the symmetry was nice here...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-37-in-flight.html - in
> flight - after a long hiatus, my good friend lended me his Panasonic
> 35-100/2.8 (EFL 70-200) lens... I had great time with it...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-38-hula-valley-nature-reserve.html
> - Hula Valley Nature Reserve - Golan Heights on the background
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-39-rehaniya.html -
> Rehaniya - Circassian village, excellent food there :-).
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-40-hills-of-galilee.html
> - Hills of Galilee
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-41-gamla-nature-reserve.html
> - Gamla Nature Reserve - on the far background, you can probably see
> the Sea of Galilee...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-42-banias-stream.html -
> Banias stream - the IBIS of my camera is exceptional... Shot handheld
> and got this effect...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-43-under-canopy.html -
> under the canopy - we don't have golden autumn per se here, but we get
> some nice light and some rather nice scenery too...
>
> Sorry for such a big post, but I haven't been posting in general and
> PESOs in particular for quite some while...
>
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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Boris Liberman]

Was Panasonic LX100 mentioned?

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's 35mm equivalent. I have a Fuji X100, which was the first 
>> generation of that series. It's a nice camera, but my X20 sees far more use, 
>> and I may sell the X100 to fund my French bicycle habit.
>>
>> These two Fujis are not, in my opinion, simple to use. The menus and user 
>> interface are a mess. It's all to easy to change settings inadvertently, 
>> without any warning, and I find it really confusing and difficult to restore 
>> them to what I like. They are also not good for manual focusing because 
>> although you can do it, there is no indication in the optical finder of what 
>> you're focused on. On the X20 you can do focus peaking in the optical 
>> finder, but to get it you have to do without other settings (or absence of) 
>> which I find useful.
>>
>> Overall it is compromised in my opinion by its excessive complexity and its 
>> attempt to do everything. They need me to tell them what it should be like.
>>
>> You can shoot some lovely black and white though, when you set it up right.
>
> I am both heartened and disheartened to hear this. I really dislike a
> cranky UI, especially one that encourages random changes that are hard
> to restore.
>
>
>> What Bruce really wants, deep in his heart of hearts, is a Leica M typ 262. 
>> He should bite the bullet, and go out and buy one. And some lenses too.
>
> You know something crazy? I see that you are right. The Leica is just
> about perfect for what I'm looking for, size and price aside.
>
> I gently approached this concept with my wife this morning during our
> dog walk. I said, "it's a bit pricey." She said, "oh, what, like 600
> dollars?". I admitted that no, it's actually six thousand dollars.
>
> She did not hit me with a blunt object, so I took that as a positive
> sign. I haven't mentioned lenses yet.
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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

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On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>
> Yes, it's 35mm equivalent. I have a Fuji X100, which was the first generation 
> of that series. It's a nice camera, but my X20 sees far more use, and I may 
> sell the X100 to fund my French bicycle habit.
>
> These two Fujis are not, in my opinion, simple to use. The menus and user 
> interface are a mess. It's all to easy to change settings inadvertently, 
> without any warning, and I find it really confusing and difficult to restore 
> them to what I like. They are also not good for manual focusing because 
> although you can do it, there is no indication in the optical finder of what 
> you're focused on. On the X20 you can do focus peaking in the optical finder, 
> but to get it you have to do without other settings (or absence of) which I 
> find useful.
>
> Overall it is compromised in my opinion by its excessive complexity and its 
> attempt to do everything. They need me to tell them what it should be like.
>
> You can shoot some lovely black and white though, when you set it up right.

I am both heartened and disheartened to hear this. I really dislike a
cranky UI, especially one that encourages random changes that are hard
to restore.


> What Bruce really wants, deep in his heart of hearts, is a Leica M typ 262. 
> He should bite the bullet, and go out and buy one. And some lenses too.

You know something crazy? I see that you are right. The Leica is just
about perfect for what I'm looking for, size and price aside.

I gently approached this concept with my wife this morning during our
dog walk. I said, "it's a bit pricey." She said, "oh, what, like 600
dollars?". I admitted that no, it's actually six thousand dollars.

She did not hit me with a blunt object, so I took that as a positive
sign. I haven't mentioned lenses yet.

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Boris, a whole bunch of PESOs

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

I haven't been posting for a long while. Just recently we returned
from a whole week that we've spent in Galilee, Golan Heights and other
interesting places in Northern Israel. Here are a dozen PESOs, most of
which are from this trip:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-33-different-interests.html
- different interests - one last PESO from the Live Sculptures
festival that takes place annualy in our town

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-34-in-flight.html - in
flight - some very fascinating birds are passing through Israel on
their way south for winter.

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-35-hula-valley-nature-reserve.html
- Hula Valley Nature Reserve - I certainly do wish I had a way longer
lens...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-36-coming-in-for-landing.html
- coming in for landing - thought the symmetry was nice here...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-37-in-flight.html - in
flight - after a long hiatus, my good friend lended me his Panasonic
35-100/2.8 (EFL 70-200) lens... I had great time with it...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-38-hula-valley-nature-reserve.html
- Hula Valley Nature Reserve - Golan Heights on the background

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-39-rehaniya.html -
Rehaniya - Circassian village, excellent food there :-).

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-40-hills-of-galilee.html
- Hills of Galilee

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-41-gamla-nature-reserve.html
- Gamla Nature Reserve - on the far background, you can probably see
the Sea of Galilee...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-42-banias-stream.html -
Banias stream - the IBIS of my camera is exceptional... Shot handheld
and got this effect...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2016/11/2016-43-under-canopy.html -
under the canopy - we don't have golden autumn per se here, but we get
some nice light and some rather nice scenery too...

Sorry for such a big post, but I haven't been posting in general and
PESOs in particular for quite some while...

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Re: Thoughts: pocketable compact with filmic ergonomics?

[Bruce Walker]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 11/5/2016 8:17 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> So what I'd like is pocketable and with the "feel" of an old school
>> film camera.
>
> If you have big pockets, the Fuji T-T2 with the 35mm lens would be an
> excellent choice.

Pocket-wise, it's about the same size as my K-3, a little thinner I
guess. My clothing won't accommodate either. :)

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Did Cesar move to Ohio?

[Collin B]

http://dayton.craigslist.org/pho/5858860154.html

Some interesting skins on a couple of these


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Re: Advice on large format photography

[Collin B]

> I should be grateful indeed if you could share your experiences and
>give me some advice on this.
>Or, in other words, would you like to push me or stop me?
>
>Bulent

I would recommend against a 5x7 camera for practical reasons.
1) if you're shooting 4x5, the camera is a lot bigger
2) if you're able to find 5x7 film ... good for you. It's hard to find.
You'll end up with a bulky 4x5.

That said ...
4x5 results are awesome.
8x10 is, too.

But ... up to 16x20 it's tough to see the different between a quality medium
format shot (like a Blad, Mamiya RZ, or Fuji) and a 4x5.
So if you're printing 11x14 and you're not needing to do any lens movements
a medium format might be a better bet.
If you're shooting landscapes or table-top stills where you want some rise
or tilt, then consider a 4x5 body with a roll back.
But then you'll have to spend a good amount on quality lenses lest your
shots look a bit low in contrast or detail.  (IOW, avoid the old 50s & 60s
vintage Schneiders.)

Of course a medium format with everything might be the Fuji GX680 series.
Quality glass and solid hardware. Plus all the movements you'll probably
need.  And it's a lot easier to process file medium format negs.

My thoughts are then:
First) 4x5. You'll be able to do medium format as well as sheet film. Not
very heavy but holders can be bulky.
Second) Medium format will let you do everything a 4x5 will. More weight on
the hardware side, less work in the darkroom.
Third) 8x10. Make your time worthwhile and just print contacts. You'll not
be disappointed. But you'll spend a bunch per shot so make 'em count.



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It's time for a digital flash

[Collin B]

I need to re-shoot some of my new daughter-in-law/her mother pre-wedding
shots.
The originals, not by me, were done with her mother's hair still in curlers.
My assigned task is to reshoot them.
But I really do want something better than the pop-up flash on the K5.
Lens will be either the F50/1.7 or the FA28/2.8, though the FA28-105 may be
used as it's respectable.
Anyway. I've not gotten a digital flash before.  What's a recommended unit
suitable for the K5 that will give quality results.





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RE: PESO: Watching me

[Malcolm Smith]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

Another sparrow, shot at a modest 1/80th second shutter speed and an ISO of 
about 1500. That seems to be a fast enough shutter to yield sharp results if 
the bird is perching. This is with the DA 1.4X converter and the D FA 150-450. 
The stop is f8 and the focal length is 630 mm.

I always wonder what the bird’s field of vision is like. They must see more 
than 180 degrees. 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18308070=lg


They must have good vision around here, as the cat population is so high. Great 
image, make the use of the warm weather whilst you can, the temperature has 
dipped noticeably here.

Malcolm  


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Re: PESO: Watching me

[Jack Davis]

Really nice grain free image, Paul.
Composition is ideal.

J

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Subject: PESO: Watching me

Another sparrow, shot at a modest 1/80th second shutter speed and an ISO of 
about 1500. That seems to be a fast enough shutter to yield sharp results if 
the bird is perching. This is with the DA 1.4X converter and the D FA 150-450. 
The stop is f8 and the focal length is 630 mm.

I always wonder what the bird’s field of vision is like. They must see more 
than 180 degrees. 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18308070=lg
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PESO: Watching me

[Paul Stenquist]

Another sparrow, shot at a modest 1/80th second shutter speed and an ISO of 
about 1500. That seems to be a fast enough shutter to yield sharp results if 
the bird is perching. This is with the DA 1.4X converter and the D FA 150-450. 
The stop is f8 and the focal length is 630 mm.

I always wonder what the bird’s field of vision is like. They must see more 
than 180 degrees. 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18308070=lg
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Re: PESO - "2x2 = 4to" (plus some curious engineering facts)

[P.J. Alling]

I don't really deserve thanks, I commented on a comment, not on the 
image.  Which is very nice by the way.  I think the title should be 
"Youth and Vanity vs Age and Acceptance".  Not that the younger woman is 
vain exactly, but she is certainly aware of her attractiveness.


On 11/7/2016 8:51 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Thank you, Larry, Malcolm, P.J., Marco, John, and 
John-wherever-you-are-now for looking and commenting! ;-)


I am back home from the last week's conference travel, - and by this 
time, people may have figured out that this picture has been taken at 
"GUM" - "Upper Trading Rows", and iconic store in Moscow, Russia:

http://pug.komkon.org/16nov/slides/IR-%20IconicPlaces-Igor_IR34361.html

I am not sure if anybody read the Wikipedia linked below that image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUM_%28department_store%29
It is a historic building with the first of its kind (at the time it 
was built - more than a century ago) engineering design.


Yet another structure built by the same engineer is the hyperboloid 
"Shukhov tower": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukhov_Tower

(on the UNESCO's "Endangered Buildings" list).
Unfortunately, I don't have any of my own photos of it.

A few interesting engineering facts about it:
Shukhov invented hyperboloid towers (Patent of 1899, applied 1896).
The original design called for 350 meters height, and that would weigh 
2200 tons (metric). For comparison, Eiffel Tower (324 meters) weighs
over 10 000 tons. Due to the shortage of steel, Shukhov's tower is 
only 160-meters tall.
Based on this idea, in 2005-2009, a 600-meter-high hyperboloid Canton 
tower was built in Guangzhou, China. (For a brief moment it was the 
tallest tower in the world, taking over that title from the CN Tower 
in Toronto.)


A curious fact:
 In 1941, a postal airplane that was expriencing technical problems, 
touched with its wing the cable that was going from the top of the 
tower to the ground (at an angle), - a leftover from the construction, 
which was hanging there for several years since the tower was built. 
That torn off the winch that was at the ground end, but the tower 
remained intact and did not need any repairs. The plane crashed into 
the nearby house's yard.


Cheers,

Igor



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"Oops, I did it again!"  ;-)

Thank you, Larry. For you others who still cannot read URLs through 
the brain-wave channel:


http://42graphy.org/galleries/2016-08-05-RedSquare/_IR34357.html

Cheers,

Igor



On Thu, 3 Nov 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




"2x2 = 4to"

Just a fun shot.

This photo is taken at an iconic place... The photo in the PUG will 
be the clue of where this happened.


All comments and suggestions are welcome.


Igor

PS. I am aware of the boy and his leg.
There was no opportunity/time to move to the side and "hide" him 
behind the man.










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Re: PESO - Glance

[P.J. Alling]

Based on the shape of the prism housing the placement of the mode dial 
and the articulating screen, it's most likely a Canon T6i (760D).  
Camera spotting a hobby?



On 11/7/2016 4:14 AM, Alan C wrote:
Classic. Looks a bit like Boy George in his younger days! Did you try 
blowing it up to ID the camera?


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Marco Alpert
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http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso31.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: PESO - "2x2 = 4to" (plus some curious engineering facts)

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Thank you, Larry, Malcolm, P.J., Marco, John, and 
John-wherever-you-are-now for looking and commenting! ;-)


I am back home from the last week's conference travel, - and by this time, 
people may have figured out that this picture has been taken at "GUM" - 
"Upper Trading Rows", and iconic store in Moscow, Russia:

http://pug.komkon.org/16nov/slides/IR-%20IconicPlaces-Igor_IR34361.html

I am not sure if anybody read the Wikipedia linked below that image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUM_%28department_store%29
It is a historic building with the first of its kind (at the time it was 
built - more than a century ago) engineering design.


Yet another structure built by the same engineer is the hyperboloid 
"Shukhov tower": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukhov_Tower

(on the UNESCO's "Endangered Buildings" list).
Unfortunately, I don't have any of my own photos of it.

A few interesting engineering facts about it:
Shukhov invented hyperboloid towers (Patent of 1899, applied 1896).
The original design called for 350 meters height, and that would weigh 
2200 tons (metric). For comparison, Eiffel Tower (324 meters) weighs
over 10 000 tons. Due to the shortage of steel, Shukhov's tower is only 
160-meters tall.
Based on this idea, in 2005-2009, a 600-meter-high hyperboloid Canton 
tower was built in Guangzhou, China. (For a brief moment it was the 
tallest tower in the world, taking over that title from the CN Tower in 
Toronto.)


A curious fact:
 In 1941, a postal airplane that was expriencing technical problems, 
touched with its wing the cable that was going from the top of the tower 
to the ground (at an angle), - a leftover from the construction, which was 
hanging there for several years since the tower was built. That torn off 
the winch that was at the ground end, but the tower remained intact and 
did not need any repairs. The plane crashed into the nearby house's yard.


Cheers,

Igor



On Thu, 3 Nov 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



"Oops, I did it again!"  ;-)

Thank you, Larry. For you others who still cannot read URLs through the 
brain-wave channel:


http://42graphy.org/galleries/2016-08-05-RedSquare/_IR34357.html

Cheers,

Igor



On Thu, 3 Nov 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




"2x2 = 4to"

Just a fun shot.

This photo is taken at an iconic place... The photo in the PUG will be the 
clue of where this happened.


All comments and suggestions are welcome.


Igor

PS. I am aware of the boy and his leg.
There was no opportunity/time to move to the side and "hide" him behind the 
man.







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Re: PESO: Wall Art

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Malcolm.  It certainly caught my eye.


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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Malcolm Smith 
wrote:

> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
> Abstract art on the outside of an adobe building in Santa Fe:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307660=lg
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>
> That is indeed curious. An interesting abstract.
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Re: More Birdies, different converters

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Malcolm. I do love that lens. Normally it would be far too cold here as 
well for enjoyable outdoor afternoons, but we've been blessed with a warm 
autumn.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:25 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
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> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> This appears to be a finch, and I shot it with the D FA 150-450 and the A2X S 
> converter. Like the other pic I posted it’s f8, 1/320th and about ISO 28,00
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307583=lg
> 
> For this one I put on the DA 1.4 AF converter and slowed the shutter speed 
> down to 1/80th, I was able to get the ISO down to about 1500. (The bird, a 
> Junko, was also in better light.)  
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307586=lg
> 
> The much slower shutter speed works fine if the bird down’t move, but if he 
> takes off I’ll lose what might be a good shot.
> 
> Tons of fun in the backyard.I shot the pics sitting in a lawn chair with the 
> camera on a tripod. I think sitting s a plus because it minimizes my size. 
> +
> 
> Great images, it's now too cold to sit in the garden here. I can see major 
> expense coming up as I love that D FA 150-450.
> 
> I'm also impressed at how well the picture holds up at 28000 ISO. At this 
> time of year, I'm often only able to get out when it's getting dark, and high 
> ISO ability is often the only way I'm going to get the picture I want. It's 
> opened up a new world for me with street photography. 
> 
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Re: PESO - Glance

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Great informal portrait.


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Re: Geso late fall colours

[Paul Stenquist]

Some excellent shots here. Looks like you had a great day.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:58 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> thanks for the comments and look see's. Appreciated
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> Nice collection.
>> 
>> I'm a sucker for a nice road shot which you have captured nicely
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
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>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Geso late fall colours
>> 
>> 
>>> A fine collection of images for a day's work!
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM, David J Brooks 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 did a drive around with some members of the passingshow
 (http://www.thepassingshow.com/) , a small group of photographers and
 writers. I'm not a writer but more of a jotter downer.
 
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-durham/album/index.html
 
 K-5 with Sigma 17-70 and cpol
 
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Re: Geso late fall colours

[David J Brooks]

thanks for the comments and look see's. Appreciated

Dave

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>
> I'm a sucker for a nice road shot which you have captured nicely
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> Kenneth Waller
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> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
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> Subject: Re: Geso late fall colours
>
>
>> A fine collection of images for a day's work!
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM, David J Brooks 
>> wrote:
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>>> did a drive around with some members of the passingshow
>>> (http://www.thepassingshow.com/) , a small group of photographers and
>>> writers. I'm not a writer but more of a jotter downer.
>>>
>>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-durham/album/index.html
>>>
>>> K-5 with Sigma 17-70 and cpol
>>>
>>> Dave
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Re: November PUG - 'Iconic Places' - is up

[Jan van Wijk]

Thanks Ann!

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 08:03:02 -0500 ann sanfedele wrote:
>
>Really interesting gallery-  much loveliness
>
>My favorites are those that are "somewhere I have never traveled" images
>
>- The Kelpies - very powerful image but somewhat disturbing - I prefer my 
>horses undecapitated.
>
>The one's I'd like most to have hanging on my wall are Igor's GUM,  what a 
>beautiful place!, Phillips "Destination" is gorgeous
>
>and most of all, Jan's  serene Zaanse Schans, would work for the "less is 
>more" theme too... I could look at it all day.

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Re: Advice on large format photography

[Boris Liberman]

Bulent,

I have 6x6 folder laying around... Can be yours if you feel like it.

On 7 Nov 2016 12:48, "Bulent Celasun"  wrote:

> I am about to retire...
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> I will be having (hopefully) more time to devote to myself.
> And myself considers reading / writing / photographing more
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> Incidentally, I can get a 5x7 Arca Swiss (older type) in very good
> condition with a new bellows for an acceptable (not very low) price.
> The lens is a 180/5.6 Schneider.
> A lens plate for macrophotography for mounting a reversed enlarger
> lens may be supplied later.
> The rear standard well be equipped with 4x5 adapter (film is a lot
> easier to find for this) and probably another one for Fuji GX680. I
> happen to have a Fuji GX680 to Hasselblad CFV-39 digital back...
>
> ...
>
> I should be grateful indeed if you could share your experiences and
> give me some advice on this.
> Or, in other words, would you like to push me or stop me?
>
> Bulent
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Re: Advice on large format photography

[Alan C]

I sure hope it works out that way, Bulent. I seem to have been so busy in 
rtirement I sometimes wonder how I ever found time to work.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Bulent Celasun

Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 12:47 PM
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Subject: Advice on large format photography

I am about to retire...

I will be having (hopefully) more time to devote to myself.
And myself considers reading / writing / photographing more
productively in the coming years.
Incidentally, I can get a 5x7 Arca Swiss (older type) in very good
condition with a new bellows for an acceptable (not very low) price.
The lens is a 180/5.6 Schneider.
A lens plate for macrophotography for mounting a reversed enlarger
lens may be supplied later.
The rear standard well be equipped with 4x5 adapter (film is a lot
easier to find for this) and probably another one for Fuji GX680. I
happen to have a Fuji GX680 to Hasselblad CFV-39 digital back...

...

I should be grateful indeed if you could share your experiences and
give me some advice on this.
Or, in other words, would you like to push me or stop me?

Bulent


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Re: PESO - Glance

[Jack Davis]

Actually a quality image, technically!

J


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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Alan C  wrote:
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> Classic. Looks a bit like Boy George in his younger days! Did you try blowing 
> it up to ID the camera?
> 
> Alan C
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> -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert
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> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso31.html
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Advice on large format photography

[Bulent Celasun]

I am about to retire...

I will be having (hopefully) more time to devote to myself.
And myself considers reading / writing / photographing more
productively in the coming years.
Incidentally, I can get a 5x7 Arca Swiss (older type) in very good
condition with a new bellows for an acceptable (not very low) price.
The lens is a 180/5.6 Schneider.
A lens plate for macrophotography for mounting a reversed enlarger
lens may be supplied later.
The rear standard well be equipped with 4x5 adapter (film is a lot
easier to find for this) and probably another one for Fuji GX680. I
happen to have a Fuji GX680 to Hasselblad CFV-39 digital back...

...

I should be grateful indeed if you could share your experiences and
give me some advice on this.
Or, in other words, would you like to push me or stop me?

Bulent


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Re: Need help from US based PDMLer

[Zos Xavius]

Good good :)

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Thanks to almost instantaneous reaction of certain list member, the plot is
> underway :-).
>
> On 6 Nov 2016 20:50, "Boris Liberman"  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>>
>> I'd like to buy a certain gift to my younger daughter for her
>> birthday. Unfortunately, the manufacturer of the said gift does not
>> offer shipping to Israel.
>>
>> If you'd be so inclined to buy this gift on my behalf and then send it
>> across, I'd be most grateful. Naturally, all the money will be covered
>> by me.
>>
>> Please reply off-list.
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Re: 2017 PUG Themes - The Final Cut

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks, Brian. Pretty clear titles.

Henk

Op 2016-11-06 om 05:04 schreef Brian Walters:

G'day all

Thanks for the feedback. Here are the themes for 2017:

January; Doors
February; This Sporting Life
March; Geometric Shapes in Nature
April; 20th Anniversary Gallery
May; Leading Lines
June; Mountains
July; Leaves
August; City Transportation
September; Abandoned
October; Nakedness
November; Less is More
December; National Parks

I've considered all the suggestions and, if they don't appear here,
don't take it personally :-)  They have either been filed away for next
year or omitted because I'm concerned that may not achieve a good level
of participation.  I've expanded Bruce's 'Nude' suggestion into
'Nakedness', which can be broadly interpreted to include concepts other
than human nudity (eg. artwork featuring nudity, denuded landscapes -
perhaps even baldness :-)>.

I like Igor's idea of reaching out to former PDMLers to contribute to
the 20th Anniversary Gallery - something to keep in mind as April
approaches.


Cheers

Brian

++
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Western Sydney Australia
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Re: PESO - Glance

[Alan C]

Classic. Looks a bit like Boy George in his younger days! Did you try 
blowing it up to ID the camera?


Alan C

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Comments, as always, welcomed.

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